EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
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02:49:33
Andrew Wilsonsystem I understand that I do think it is a different conversation I don't it's kind of comparing apples little B tell in my even in even from your worldview it's not comparing Apples to Apples or apples to oranges it would be comparing
02:49:45
Andrew WilsonApples to Apples the idea here is trauma is the jusic for the elimination of the pregnancy right you give it a further justification and you say because it's also not a life okay I can ConEd that
02:49:57
Andrew Wilsonyou believe that from the Catholic belief though they're saying the only justification can be trauma because they believe at consumtion this is a human
02:50:08
Andrew Wilsonlife so traumas our only justification for the elimination of the life so then why couldn't you do that outside of the womb that makes no sense to me it's just
02:50:18
Riley Risa / Charsedifferent I have a question that might actually change my view okay does um a fetus like no matter how fetus means baby yeah well like when it's in the
02:50:28
Riley Risa / Charsewomb you know no matter how long uh like do they does the baby feel you're talking about the gestation of yeah like do they feel it one hardest things I've ever had to go through and like witness
02:50:41
Chrissy ClarkI I didn't have an abortion I said that really wrong but um when I was your age I had the same position as you like of course I'm conservative so therefore I'm like somewhat libertarian and therefore I believe the government should not be involved in what I do with myself or my
02:50:53
Chrissy Clarkbody right it's like actually a really normal line to come through but yes that is why heartbeat bills are wildly important States all across the nation they're being passed because at a
02:51:05
Chrissy Clarkheartbeat that is when the baby can feel pain it's when they have a breathing heartbeat I'm not entirely sure if they can feel it before the 6 weeks but I am fully aware that five and a half to six week if it was proven that they can feel
02:51:18
TTS/Donationsit before the 6 weeks then I let us assume for a second that they couldn't feel [ __ ] mm and that you had a quadriplegic couldn't feel [ __ ] grid One
02:51:28
TTS/DonationsMotorsports donated $200 And1 feminists always use the talking point ignoring the fact that over two out of three
02:51:37
TTS/Donationspregnancies that result of sa are carried to birth less than .1% of 0 1% cases is the worst justification for murder yeah per perhaps thank you good
02:51:48
Andrew Wilsonperap He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer a little a little a little push back to you is that regardless of how few there are that is the
02:51:57
Andrew Wilsonjustification which needs to be contended with so even in this case uh when you say if they if it couldn't feel pain before X day what if the kid who you then went home and killed based upon
02:52:10
Andrew Wilsonthe trauma that you received external to the kid also couldn't feel pain for some reason maybe they had no nerve endings or maybe someone's in a coma yeah something like
02:52:22
Riley Risa / Charsethis um I just feel like it's different since that like you know they already have like life experience why would the
02:52:31
Andrew Wilsonwait a second why would that be the determiner why would it make life more valuable because you've had more time to experience it I don't know I really
02:52:43
Chrissy Clarkdon't know I did see this is what I'm saying like I'm kind of on the fence with it well how do we get you off the fence what do I need to do to get you off the fence and on this side can I try something yeah um something that really
02:52:54
Chrissy Clarkchanged my mind on this was a lot of black men will say that they feel the police are racist towards them or they feel the police are bias against them sorry um and when you actually dig into the data like if you go to the
02:53:07
Chrissy ClarkWashington Post and you dig into the data we as a country feel that way and I think that's a general sentiment that I even left right or Center you have felt that way in general based on the propaganda or the media that you consume at the end of the day if you go and you
02:53:20
Chrissy Clarklook at the statistics of unarmed black men who are shot by the police in let's see 2023 it was 10 and yet that warrants an entire Health crisis according to Duke University and so sometimes there
02:53:31
Chrissy Clarkare things that we may not feel or we as a society go oh you know I really feel that way or I understand it that way but then you look at the data and it is not that way and for me that was how the
02:53:43
Chrissy Clarkpro-abortion to pro-life movement was for me where I was just like you know what at a certain point it does defy the way you feel it is just logic sorry if I didn't speak close enough to the mic on that I have no idea what the hell you're
02:53:56
Andrew Wilsontalking about okay talking about Bas motion yeah did I not make that was that not clear yeah I think are are you saying that because because people have emotional responses
02:54:07
TTS/Donationsbased on societal programming is that is that what the pag donated $200 to the pro-choice Advocates on the panel how do you say with one side of
02:54:18
TTS/Donationsyour mouth woman's rights but you're taking that right away from the female within womb M I need to do a little shifting thank you Pagan appreciate it I need to do a
02:54:31
Brian Atlaslittle shifting here when it comes to the seating is it possible for like you to scoot in but like scoot to the table scoot to the table you guys are a little far away from the mics can I have you scoot your mic to the very edge of the
02:54:42
Brian Atlastable Yeah and then tilt your mic down a little bit like that yeah that's good me just trying to get things a little a little fixed here sorry guys we
02:54:53
Brian Atlasmoved we did some arrangement after the guns blazing feminist left crying so um your guns weren't blazing very well not really let me do a couple
02:55:04
Brian Atlaschat she came in Eyes Crying not guns blazing water log Nathaniel cook nope Ryan and some stroking out here municipalities women have the right
02:55:16
Brian Atlasto sit at public parks alone on the bench where men are banned from doing so women have rights that men do not if we use that logic is that actually the case that men are banned right there's laws
02:55:28
Andrew Wilsonthat you can't shoot jack rabbits from Charlie carts dude there's all sorts of bizarre laws and all sorts of municipalities and small towns all across the United States that have nothing to do with what are considered
02:55:40
Brian Atlasinalienable rights that is an intriguing one though if there is in some places men are I I'd have to investigate that of that have come and tip their hat to women and not the other way it just just
02:55:52
Brian Atlaslike women used to have to be in certain places to breastfeed I mean yeah we have billam the Mars Humpty Dumpty logic had a great fall Humpty Dumpty wobbled out in a ball okay billam
02:56:04
Brian Atlasall right thank you for the Super Chat appreciate it man uh if you guys want get some super chats in uh oh and we do have gr Gracie here at a base level believing in a god a higher power
02:56:16
Brian Atlasimplies all of us are connected you have abortion affects all of us how can you be upset at the person fighting for your child's life I'm not upset at that I don't understand the
02:56:29
Kaylaquestion yeah Gracie you want to parse that out a little better for the panelist sounds like he's trying to ask why do people get upset when people fight against
02:56:40
Kaylaabortion like what cuz you hear that at lot like people ask like why do you care if I abort my baby it has nothing to do my body my right but it does because of societal standpoint yeah sure um anyways
02:56:51
Brian AtlasI'll move this on uh I guess the final thing from that girl who left she wanted to talk about women's rights ER trans rights weaponized Christianity project 2025 internment camps communication
02:57:03
Brian AtlasTheory and logical fallacies and arguments parenthesis STW man theory in particular Andrew's favorite okay 2020 project you know she
02:57:14
Brian Atlascame with a lot of things she she wanted to talk about but when she showed up to the uh gun gun show The Showdown I don't know it's not the gun show that's for
02:57:24
Paytonsure but yeah yeah the all the complex topics and then you ask one to 10 and it's over it's too hard you're not even about her therapist WR with clearly didn't work
02:57:37
Brian Atlasnot even thinking about her poor therapist it would have undone years how many years of therapy do you think she's going to need because of tonight 10 at least she's probably on a phone with them right now she should just stop how
02:57:48
Brian Atlasmany years of therapy are we going to need of tonight I'm going to need a lot of therapy I think um anyways getting into some other show notes here so we
02:57:59
Vanessa / Charsehave Belle speaking of hex's so you're a witch yeah you're a witch yes we said
02:58:08
BellCatholic too right no no okay I thought you said you're C up I grew I grew up Lutheran wait just curious are your parents uh still together or are they separate or they're separate separate
02:58:21
Brian Atlasseparate my dad's more atheist I guess leaning yeah it was more my mom um now there's a couple things here you have quite a few things on your Tik Tok we
02:58:30
Brian Atlasdon't have there's so many I didn't even bother looking at a lot it's a lot of different we might go through the Tik Tok a little bit later but you apparently you hexed you did a a a
02:58:41
Bellbanful hex mhm well it's just a hex so banful is just terminology for bful what is bful kind of like negative can I yeah yeah so it used to be called black
02:58:52
Bellversus white magic but that brought up a lot of racial problem bring George Floyd into this so that's why we don't say it anymore so banful is just in reference to anything that's mean what it didn't
02:59:02
Belldoesn't have nothing to do with race it it does um because a lot of people of colors pract spiritual practices do get demonized often in the Witchcraft
02:59:13
BellCommunity it's like a really big yeah yeah Voodoo hoodoo um and so when were referring to Black Magic they were primarily targeting people of color and so that's why like just they primarily
02:59:25
Bellpracticing black magic um yeah but black magic was considered evil white magic was considered good and that just gets into
02:59:33
TTS/Donationsthe semantics of M Davis donated $2 don't understand theed it's simple any woman outside the kitchen is a woman
02:59:43
Vanessa / Charseescaped from her natural habitat F this they can wander is around the home one step out and shoot to kill all right wait he hears about kitchen and that's why Mike Davis is
02:59:55
Brian Atlassingle and at home with his mother yeah so oh [ __ ] Mike Davis shots fired That's Mike Davis by the way he's he's a troll he he's a resident Troll and he's probably
03:00:07
Brian Atlassingle Mike Davis are you single or how many girlfriends do you have Mike Davis I think he's kind of like a stud he's a stud he's got like a bunch of girls I
03:00:16
Brian Atlasthink like poor he's got a roster I think um no so you said um you hexed someone and they went bald and developed schizophrenia and are you happy about
03:00:28
Bellthat yeah that was uh also an abusive relationship I've gotten into I've been into abusive relationship just two or more um just two they're pretty primary that one was
03:00:40
Bella twoyear long we lived together um it was really bad he like threw oranges at me he would just throw like Pelt oranges at me I he play League of Legends all the time scream I'm not I can't I can't
03:00:52
Belleven make that [ __ ] up he throw orange are they store bod or like they grew in your back cuties and he would throw them so you know how hard you have to throw an orange at someone to leave a bruise you throw hard you're supposed to hit
03:01:04
Bellpeople with oranges cuz it didn't leave bruises yeah well it left a big bruise he was doing it he was doing it wrong it it it was a whole thing I don't want to like get into it cuz I don't want to is it is it wrong to ask somebody like what
03:01:17
Lindsaydid you do is that wrong the same thing like what did you do to it's not wrong to ask bag of oranges so you can have horrible things conducted upon you by other people MH and that are [ __ ] terrible and that
03:01:29
Andrew Wilsonmay not have been merited by specific behavior but that does not mean that you yourself were a saint in the entirety of the relationship I think it's totally fair to ask a person if they brought angst to the relationship or problems of
03:01:41
Belltheir own even if it didn't Merit the response yeah I would say from the dynamic from the beginning I didn't want to be in a relationship with him and he continuously pushed it I was in a very
03:01:52
Bellvery like I had very low self-esteem at the point um I was not in a good place mentally and he was love bombing me and I knew he was love bombing me but I honestly accepted it and still went
03:02:05
Bellalong with the relationship because it felt good um I was living in a really toxic living situation I got randomly roomed with this girl who I I don't think I can actually say it a yatsi i
03:02:18
Bellcan't say exactly but it was someone who was like putting it was it was a really toxic living situation so I had to pick between living with someone with really crazy beliefs or living with a boyfriend
03:02:30
Bellthat I was dating for about 2 months so I moved in with him when I moved in that's when the behavior started to rapidly shift and he changed uh pretty drastically overnight it was pretty drastic and of course um I'm not going
03:02:44
Bellto sit here and be like oh I was never toxic I was never a problem um um because reactive abuse is like a very very common thing um and so I can agree
03:02:54
Bellwith that i' I've been a simple situation that one a switch of a flip I got he P he pushed me cuz I usually don't hex people for personal reasons I've only hexed three people in my life
03:03:05
Bellfor personal reasons and they pushed me to the brink however in each of these instances it was never solely about me so the first guy hexed I didn't hex him for about 2 years after that whole
03:03:18
Bellsituation I hexed him because I had a friend reach out to me and tell me that he did the same thing to her in the bathroom can you walk me through what you do for a hex um okay so I basically
03:03:27
Belltake a photo I do usually a reading to pick pinpoint their weaknesses everyone has different weaknesses there's areas where you're going to excel at and there's areas where you're naturally not
03:03:38
Bellgoing to be as excelled at so I usually Target those weaknesses um typically I add specific herbs specific broken broken glasses like a big thing rusted
03:03:48
BellNails um really nasty ingredients um then I light a candle and I put my energy towards it the energy you put towards it is really the biggest part of the whole situation and then right you
03:04:00
Bellcan get the same you can get the same results absent any ingredients right um no not necessarily if you're if you have a love spell and then you're you're using love spell ingredientses it's not
03:04:12
Andrew Wilsongoing to correspond so it's not going to be as effective um yeah but you don't need anything right you could cast a spell just just by projecting your will yeah is that the most powerful form of
03:04:21
TTS/Donationsmagic um I would say using the correct me fall donated $200 who needs more therapy Banshee or Max rbo I don't who I think I'm the Banshee
03:04:35
Brian Atlascuz that isn't that a terminology for which so I got to ask you a question wait just real Mr mea thank you man appreciate it uh good to see you in the
03:04:45
Andrew Wilsonchat yo can you uh Mr mea can you uh send me a DM on Instagram okay go ahead um so you have no problem affecting other people's Wills obviously when you
03:04:54
Bellsay Do you believe in the idea of Good and Evil bad and good to a certain extent I believe in something called come upin so it's kind of what yeah um
03:05:05
Bellwhen people talk about karma karma is actually what happens in the next life uh comeuppence is about what happens in this life so for example if you steal something for $20 usually something of
03:05:17
Bell$20 or less value you might go missing from your house that's like a sign of come up in Instant Karma as you will um so for every negative thing I do I do try to put positive action out there as
03:05:29
Bellwell however I personally don't view hexine in a really atrocious person as a negative for me personally do you
03:05:37
Andrew Wilsonbelieve that slavery is evil yes why um because it's taking away someone's Free Will so it affects their
03:05:46
Andrew Wilsonwill yeah how does your hex's not affect the will um it helps put the will back into the power of the victim I bring power back to victims how do are you not
03:05:57
Bellaffecting other people's will if your idea of slavery is that you're containing will I don't view abusers as people I don't view rapists as people I believe so then would it be okay to
03:06:09
Andrew Wilsonenslave them I don't know I'm I'm not going to sit here and talk about slavery CU slavery doesn't have an impact on I think we are because I need an entailment here the entailment here is
03:06:21
Andrew Wilsonthat I don't consider them people and as long as I don't consider you a person why would it be a problem to enslave you then cuz I'm not enslaving people I'm casting spell I'm casting I'm sorry you
03:06:33
Andrew Wilsonsaid that uh slavery when I asked you what that meant would be to hold someone against their will there's a lot of things wrong with slavery I don't think I need to sit here and say what's wrong
03:06:45
Andrew Wilsonwith slavery what do we really want to get into I really want to get into it what's wrong with it from your worldview From Slavery yeah considering the fact that it rips
03:06:57
Bellfamilies apart considering the fact what they do to but that's all a side effect of containing someone against their will right there's a lot more to it though no it's really just that a lot more to it what else is there a spiritual how
03:07:09
Andrew Wilsonholding a spiritual belief and owning slaves are not comparable oh no they're totally comparable if the logic's the same so let's start with this is what is a slave itself forget ripping some
03:07:22
Andrew Wilsonslaves not going to have their family ripped apart none of that what is a slave someone who is indentured to another person they don't have to be indentured they it's just somebody
03:07:33
Bellcontrolling somebody else's will against their will right that's all slave is isn't it yeah what do you mean what else tell give me a better definition I'm not holding someone under my will forever all I'm doing is I'm pushing what's
03:07:46
Andrew Wilsonalreadying so then it's okay to hold people as slaves temporarily no I not well then that argument makes no sense that you well I only hold their will temporarily that's
03:07:58
Andrew Wilsonthe same as me saying I hold the slave away their will I'm pushing sorry did your ex was it your ex's will to get a broken back and fall down three stories it was the universes but it not his it
03:08:08
Andrew Wilsonwas the universes and did you affect the universe yeah I would say so so then if you affected the universe then you contained his will how's that not slavery I I personally believe if someone punched you in the face and you
03:08:20
Bellpunch them back that's not slavery no because slavery is not comparable this is comparable no it's not a containment if I punch you in the face and you punch me back no that's a response to will
03:08:29
Andrew Wilsonright so I responded to my will I'm not containing his will you're containing the will I took my power back right by containing somebody else's
03:08:39
Andrew Wilsonwill call it whatever you want call SL how is it not slavery how is witchcraft not slavery yeah how is it not slavery to affect the person's will and get them to do things they ordinarily would not
03:08:50
Belldo I guess you could call it that um it's manipulation of energy okay and it's more nuanced than that though I don't think it if an abuser put a hex on you would you consider that uh it wouldn't land how do you know it because
03:09:03
Vanessa / Charseit's B okay let's pretend it did it's not going to land I have people who try to hex me all the time I'm I'm just asking a question I'm I'm trying to getat Clarity cuz I don't I'm just
03:09:15
Vanessa / CharseClarity just so I can understand your question just what the difference is like where you feel it would be okay to put a hex on somebody else and it's totally okay but if somebody were to put that one on you how would you feel about
03:09:26
Bellit that's their decision I I it happens to me so often that it really doesn't bother me I have my protection set up and I believe if I genuinely did something to harm someone to cause the
03:09:38
Bellamount I think you need to understand the amount of anger the amount of pain that a victim has to go to to the point where they want to go take spiritual repercussions human being I have been
03:09:48
Bellassaulted I've been Point Byer I you understand the anger and yeah oh of course it's a way for me that I was able to take my power back after it was taken away from me okay yeah so I have I have
03:09:59
Brian Atlasa question on this because you're trying to get Justice for victims do you think in the justice system uh people are falsely accused that is a factor but it
03:10:09
Bellis considerably lower than I think I I don't think it's a big factor you don't think it's a big factor no I would would say majority of victims are not false
03:10:20
Bellreporting I I'll even grant that the majority of victims are not making false accusations there there's an overwhelming amount of women who don't even report what's happening to
03:10:32
Brian Atlasthem that women do make false accusations yes it does happen mhm and it's actually in this specific crime you're talking about it's actually there there's higher incidents of false accusations of this sort of crime or
03:10:44
Brian Atlaspeople have sort of misunderstandings of what is and what isn't but um so you said you only do this to abusers how would you come to the determination that
03:10:55
Bellsomeone's actually guilty that's a really great question or you just they just say he abused me and you just believe it in all instances I have my spell set up so
03:11:05
Bellanything that you put out returns back to you times three so if I hex someone and they didn't do anything wrong it's not going to impact them it's not going to hit them I don't understand how that
03:11:16
Bellthere there's like a that's how I have my asterisk there's an asterisk on your hex's yes so you write a petition a petition is a big part of it you write petition specifically what you want to
03:11:27
Bellhappen and uh in my personal petition how I personally practice I put in the petition that if the person is not doing anything anything that they're putting
03:11:39
Riley Risa / Charseout they're going to get back times three so if they're not doing anything no no go ahead you go ahead so if I asked you for example to put a hex on somebody and I tell you that they abused
03:11:50
Bellme but they didn't like this the hex wouldn't work no not if you went to me if you went to a different practitioner maybe if they did it differently but that's personally how I do mine interesting yeah fair enough it depends
03:12:02
Bellon who you ask fair enough um but I would I do believe the victim overall because I do think a vast majority of the people coming to me are not falsely accusing I I would assume most people
03:12:15
Kaylawho are going out of their way to to pay for a service done there probably is a reason there I have an interesting question because you like to say a lot of things of very nuanced uh have you ever stopped to
03:12:27
Kaylathink that a lot of abusers are also victims and that because you know they so where's the cycle end like if you're saying I'm coming after you because you abused me but he abused you because of
03:12:38
Kaylasomeone who Abus like he's also a victim like I don't know the situation but like in a lot of situations people hurt because they're hurt so why where's the jic of saying now I'm just going to push more hurt onto you though you are now
03:12:51
Bellacting out of hurt like where's the kindness where's the love where's the stop of it where does it end where does it endend more focused on getting Justice whenever way that see fit and so
03:13:03
Bellthen there would be no end so therefore there's never going to be an end to violence there's never going to be an end to abuse because that's just not how the world works I really I really hate that the world works like that but it's never going to be like that the world is
03:13:16
Brian Atlasnever going to be it is never going to be wait so to be clear with these hexes and there's let's assume this person is being falsely accused and they're innocent so you cast the hex but so the
03:13:25
Brian Atlashex doesn't work if they're innocent mhm based on how I have mine set up I'm a little confused I have by that
03:13:37
BellI mean well you don't have any really knowledge of Witchcraft I have zero knowledge so it's it's kind ofine print I guess figure out yeah so basically it's like you write a fine print if that makes
03:13:50
Bellsense you write a contract it's kind of the same thing as like a clause for marriage we won't a prenup right you don't get 50% unless someone cheats so it's kind of the same it's like a prenup I guess I write prenups for my spells if
03:14:04
Brian Atlasthat makes sense I can put it in that terminology and I think that'll make more sense to everyone on the panel we have Dane's wife JC duard 11-year-old kidnapped esay for the 18 years has two children during captivity rescued when children 14 and
03:14:16
Riley Risa / Charse11 could the board because of captivity can she unlive those children or why not no and I also would like to say that I
03:14:23
Riley Risa / Charsethink my mind has changed a bit since hearing uh your argument um okay just to the F because I never thought about it
03:14:34
Brian Atlaslike that so Nick do you mean this camera yeah on my side um no that would be wrong okay I'll all right uh okay then we have giovan C which girl says her motivation is
03:14:47
Brian Atlasjustice but also States her system is set up to repay wrongs done to her three times as much is that Justice that's an interesting question um it follows the law three which some which uh people
03:14:59
Brian Atlaspractice some people don't isn't there something in the Bible uh Sevenfold whole system was pulled off the movie The Craft yeah there is a lot um there is a lot there actually is like a lot of
03:15:11
Brian AtlasWitchcraft in the Bible there actually are a lot of witch Sevenfold Vengeance that's in the Bible I think it has to do with Kane I don't anyways um that's kind of besides the point but is it justice though really
03:15:23
Bellquick I had to get three times so like eye for an eye but three eyes I guess instead of for yeah I just have that said I just work with the number three I just feel
03:15:34
Brian Atlasvery called to it so that's what I do um yeah and then something about I saw one of the Tik toks start a roster something about hexing a roster oh I don't hex rer
03:15:44
Bellthe times three things mhm so if some kills a member of your family mhm right then what would be the times three back if someone killed a member of my family I'm taking out their entire family but I
03:15:57
Bellride for the people I love that's Justice for me I ride know the in their family's innocent I ride for the people I love wait so hold on let me to die for
03:16:08
Brian Atlasyour revenge wait so okay a individual member of a family without any other of the family members being
03:16:19
Brian Atlasinvolved lone actor kills a member of your family the other family is living on the opposite side let say they're in New York and this happened in California you're going to go kill the
03:16:31
BellGU I guess for ier and I I would just kill whoever killed my family member well then now you're walking back your position but I don't know what I would do in that situation High You' kill the whole family I might I just might even
03:16:44
Bellif that family involved like innocent children oh I would never kill a kid oh not the kids no no no not kids in the what it's a kid who killed your family never you can't control for that it's a
03:16:55
Belltimes three would you kill the kid would you kill a kid if it was a kid who killed your family member no cuz it's a child now hang on I just want to make sure I got this I would never hex a child
03:17:07
Andrew Wilsoneither would never hex anyone under age 18 that I got this correct mhm that um following this law of three MH okay the the three times you know
03:17:19
Andrew Wilsonthat's what you get you do believe that this actually works I do believe my hex is a land yes when they are meant to land and you believe that this actually has an effect in the world yes so you
03:17:30
Andrew Wilsonbelieve that you are actually doing this yes so then why would it not be justified if some member let's say of my crazy family somewhere right hypothetically took out a member of
03:17:41
Andrew Wilsonyours for me to not note that you would do a spell that could then cond demn me based on the belief that wouldn't I be then Justified to come and and take you out before you could do a hex you could
03:17:53
Andrew Wilsontry yeah no but that's not my question I know what I know what a person could try I'm asking about the justification when the justification of oh [ __ ] you took out this witch's
03:18:05
Andrew Wilsonhusband Paul you know what I mean third cousin of mine she's going to take out the whole family wouldn't they then be justified in doing something to you just based on your fact of belief that this
03:18:17
Bellis sure yeah yeah that's sure and you think that that's coherent and not Madness I think that if I genuinely hurt someone and they decided to cast on me that that is Justified not cast on you
03:18:28
Andrew Wilsonthey did something completely different they just came and took you out because they they believe like you did that your spell could have such an effect that it destroyed their whole family would they be justified murder the whole family or
03:18:40
Brian Atlaswhatever the reason yeah wouldn't they be justified in that I'm sure I guess you and you think that Justice I think what I do is Justice oh uh we do have your website we wanted to pull it up Nick could you get the website
03:18:55
Brian Atlasgoing so it says custommade intense hex hexes excuse me do we yeah I offer a couple different servic this is perfect for those looking to get Justice or
03:19:06
Brian Atlaslooking to remove someone out of their life uh scroll down Nick scroll down
03:19:14
Brian Atlasscroll no scroll keep going that's my website you huh what's up what it was just tripping out is it you mean the mouse wheel do you do this full time I know but you got to use the just use the
03:19:27
Belllittle and I just got my best friend hired as well too so can do you work for someone else or you no I work myself that's good spell work I find everyone online okay so uh custom made and I read
03:19:40
Brian Atlasthese from the website custom made intense hexes this is perfect for those looking to get Justice or looking to remove someone out of their life areas I can hex relationships money sex Health B painful protection remove someone from
03:19:53
Brian Atlasyour life General negativity make them go broke hex uh or click on the book today for hex's and banful
03:20:04
Brian Atlaswork uh scroll down okay uh so make them go broke or I don't know if this was in a different one oh scroll down scroll down SE and
03:20:16
Brian Atlasscroll up there it is want yeah when they the scroll down okay uh that's good uh what are you trying to achieve so make them go broke hex their love life protect me and harm them when they get near me remove them
03:20:28
Brian Atlasfrom my life plus cause pain help me win a court case General negativity um really quick on the help me win a court case one what if they're not in
03:20:40
Bellthe right with the coure case but everybody you know every everybody thinks that they're in the right you know um yeah that's not really I'm just offering a service so when someone books
03:20:51
Bellfor me for a Justice working and they tell me basically I'm just going to help it so that they can present themselves better in court so they have a higher likelihood a chance of achieving their can I ask you question so yeah which
03:21:03
Brian Atlaslet's let's say would you work for a guy like if a guy wanted the hex yeah yeah I have actually that's how I met my partner okay yeah so if a guy came to you and said hi I've been falsely
03:21:15
Brian Atlasaccused of sa can you put a hex on her to like get her to stop her accusations can you uh help me in the criminal case that's ongoing the civil case you would do that but I
03:21:28
Bellthought most I thought you would be tend to not AG agree that uh false accusations occur when it comes to this crime yeah but what my client is coming to me and telling me is what I believe I'm being paid to listen to my client
03:21:41
Andrew Wilsonand deliver what my client is asking oh so you're you're like a witch Hitman I guess you told me that so you don't even care what your target is you don't don't do any research you don't try to determine if it's true you're just going
03:21:53
Bellto they come and they give you the money and you're going to hex their ass and that's the end of it I think you were away when we talked about it um basically I have a clause set up in my spells that any negativity you put out
03:22:05
Bellwill be returned towards you so I have it set up so that if that person that I am targeting you're checking the universe easy it's an as it is innocent it's not going to land asterisk on the I
03:22:16
Andrew Wilsonhave a fine print essentially that I put in it's yeah but but this all operates off perception you could perceive that you've had great wrongs done to you even
03:22:25
Andrew Wilsonif you actually have not who is the juror here who makes the determination the universe and how does it how does the universe know by what metric does the universe
03:22:36
Belljudge I put the energy out there and the universe decides to do what they want to do with it I never specifically asked for my ex to be put off a building I said I want Justice and I want him I need something to be done so he stops
03:22:48
Brian Atlashurting women and he fell off a building I never asked for him to fall off a building that was what happened MH okay cause and effect uh while we can come back to some of that stuff a little later you said yes I'm currently dating
03:23:00
Brian Atlasa famous rapper where polyamorous um yeah you can talk about our connection I've uh so famous rapper are you at Liberty to um I don't think
03:23:12
Bellme and him are at a place where we want to like publicize stuff but yeah how big is his following um about 2 million overall platforms he's signed to
03:23:23
Brian AtlasRepublic records 2 million collectively yeah I think he has like 1.3 over Tik Tok and like 700k on Instagram okay roughly and when you say polyamorous so
03:23:33
Bellyou're seeing other people and he's seeing other people we had it set up when we first started talking where he could see other girls but then we did decide to kind of make things a bit more
03:23:45
Bellexclusive just cuz we are long distance right now um and I kind of want to wait until we're in the same city before I would feel comfortable with him seeing other women but he's fully supportive of
03:23:56
Bellme dating talking doing whatever I want with women he's like very very supportive of that aspect of my life okay Nick just be careful with that
03:24:08
TTS/Donationsokay yeah you saw what I was their aled meatball donated $200 absolutely hilarious
03:24:17
Brian Atlasall right thank you Mr appreciate it appreciate it uh thank you Mr meele yo send me a message on Instagram man good to see you back in the chat it's been a while also we'll get you uh I think we
03:24:29
Brian Atlasgot to get you uh like legendary status on our Discord I think for people who've been like regular and if you're not in our Discord people who've been like regular contributors over the months
03:24:39
Brian Atlasyears whatever uh we'll get you complimentary like uh Discord status so uh shoot me a message on Instagram yeah um your love spells for example um you
03:24:51
Vanessa / Charseput on that like you can basically have make someone fall in love with somebody else correct do you not feel that's holding somebody against their will no so how I have love spells set up is it's
03:25:01
Belllike an afrodesiac so for example if I put a love spell on Justin Bieber does that mean he does that mean he's going to leave so he spiked or drink that's not I'm not well if it's an aphrodesiac
03:25:13
Bellright you just like bam what I'm saying at all I'm saying it's um equivalent to wearing perfume it's not here's the thing so if I put a love spell on Justin Bieber would he leave his wife for me
03:25:26
Bellprobably not Never Say Never but probably not right because there's nothing to build on there so witchcraft Builds on the energy that is already there and already present so in order for me to effectively cast the love
03:25:38
Bellspell on someone else they already have to have a lot of feelings towards me and it's just going to naturally Elevate that feeling and that communication and increase it isn't it convenient to think even from your own perspective that you
03:25:50
Andrew Wilsoncould not hex somebody who is famous nor give them a love spell which would actually move them towards the person who wanted them in this case Justin Bieber by saying well it's due to the the energies of the universe rather than
03:26:02
Andrew Wilsonjust the logical and probability that Justin Bieber is ever going to leave this really hot woman for this less hot nobody he doesn't know that's just improbable right yeah you probably wouldn't leave so so the thing is is
03:26:14
Andrew Wilsonlike arguing that well so I'm just saying why should we assume that this in any way works uh and it's not just essentially
03:26:24
Bellyou wanting to believe well that it works either all of my clients are liars or maybe there's something to it and even if what I do does not have any
03:26:34
Bellimpact it can it's not convinced though when I have hundreds and hundreds of women coming to me telling me that they have seen differences in their life while working with me well do you think that maybe it's just because you put put
03:26:46
Lindsayit out there for them so then they're making more effort towards that person I think that's a factor placebo effect I think that there's a factor to that yeah I think there's a factor I
03:26:56
Bellthink for Placebo it's kind of the same concept as manifestation where if you don't put work towards something it doesn't matter how well you manifest however you can put a manifestation out there you still need to work towards
03:27:09
Bellthat manifestation um so then you personally aren't actually doing something you're just like hey this has happened now you can go do that I'm the universe and now it's happened essentially yeah I'm uh building on the
03:27:20
Brian Atlasenergy that's already present and already there well but on your website mhm [Music] um Nick could you pull back up so you
03:27:31
Vanessa / Charseoffer a there's a section that says love spell and I wasn't meaning that I was asking I was generally curious no you
03:27:43
Brian Atlascan ask it's the one just right next to love spell so you can you can show it pull pull it up okay pull up the site okay so click on love spell book
03:27:53
Brian Atlastoday uh custom love spell uh love spell actually wait hold on before on that previous time it just says so sorry go back go back
03:28:05
Brian AtlasNick no you can show it you can show it going back well I have to hit the eror oh there should be a button on the mouse that's like a back button
03:28:19
Brian Atlasokay okay well can you scroll back down to it please okay so it says get the love life of your
03:28:29
Brian Atlasdreams but that I mean that seems like a bit bigger of a representation than just it already elevates an existing thing but then it also says um love spells
03:28:40
Brian Atlasincrease oh can you click on it yeah unless yeah love spells increase communication emotion and will Aid in helping you get your specific person in love life you
03:28:53
Brian Atlasdeserve if there's a third party involved okay spells get done within a week book if you want more communication are in no contact want an ex back want
03:29:04
Brian Atlasthem to desire and think of you more MH well no contact um where's the building on on that would seem to indicate on the prior connection
03:29:16
Bellthat they don't want do you ever um if they don't want it then they're not going to come back it doesn't matter you you can cast you can cast a hundred different spells if that person has no intention of coming back but it's kind of like a thing of like it's more me
03:29:28
Brian Atlasgiving a little pay for it fun if it doesn't if they want you why why the Need For The Love spell cuz it adds to the energy that's already there but then you're taking somebody
03:29:40
Vanessa / Charseelse's Free Will away but you're not taking how is there even energy there um if they don't want that contact that means they don't want that contact that means they don't want that well there's a lot of different situations why people
03:29:52
Brian Atlastwo people could be no contact and it doesn't necessarily mean that both parties never want to talk don't want contact I have a question so let's say a girl like the guy is like hesitant to
03:30:03
Brian Atlasget intimate they but he likes her she likes him and they're like um okay she likes her mhm sorry he likes
03:30:14
Brian Atlasher she likes him mhm I don't think we should be off okay um can have some my popcorns all right um be okay I should e
03:30:25
Brian Atlasso he likes her she likes him he's maybe been a little hesitant to get intimate right um but he likes her and the girl
03:30:34
Brian Atlaswants like she's thirsting for this dude she's down bad wants a ring on it she need no she wants the [ __ ] right would
03:30:43
Bellyou cast a spell to further along the sex probably not that's I don't really like getting into that kind of situation that sounds a little I don't really want to but that's
03:30:55
Bellthe connection she wants the intimacy yeah I would build off of the emotion that's already there I would yeah maybe throw a little bit of energy towards
03:31:05
Bellwhat she's asking for but yeah I don't I don't I've never been I've never been asked to do that personally do you send people proofs that you actually did the spell yeah how
03:31:17
Bellum I take photos and videos of the spell and then I send it to the client um and then I have them update me tell me how things are going and then from there we can develop a plan cuz I mean it occurs
03:31:28
Andrew Wilsonto me that you could sell a spell and then just never do the spell and then you know they they could just say hey that's what I was going to ask they could just say hey I have this result
03:31:38
Belland you're like awesome sucker right yeah I mean I don't do that but iess if it doesn't work can you get a refund um no but I have it stated that it's not 100% guarantee because I can never 100%
03:31:50
Bellguarantee results what I'm doing is not an exact science it if it was an exact science it wouldn't be witchcraft um and people know that when they book with me okay and they're okay with that it's
03:32:02
Belljust increasing the likelihood of something happening it's not like 100% guarantee if that makes sense yeah yeah thank you for asking yeah no just CU yeah so You' said you dated a huge drug dealer when you were 16 yeah what kind
03:32:15
Brian Atlasof drugs was he doing um Coke okay weed you said you've been in extremely toxic relationships yeah you don't mind speaking on I think we maybe spoken on them a little bit yeah
03:32:27
Bellyou've had sugar daddies yeah uh do you currently have a sugar daddy no no I cut off I had two sugar daddies and I cut them off um when I started getting more serious with my current relationship MH
03:32:39
Brian Atlashow many sugar daddies total have you had probably like four or six around that yeah okay yeah and when it what were the ways in which they were giving
03:32:51
Bellyou sugar like or giving you money I get I don't know if that's the right um well I did have to do a lot of things when I was like 16 because I was like homeless I don't want to get into that but but
03:33:02
BellI'm not going to get into that but um the other two that I had recently were one actually bought a love spell from my website hit me up and I was like okay send a photo of the person you want me
03:33:15
Bellto put a love spell on and they sent a picture of me and then I was just like okay I'm not casting this like but hi what's up and then they just bought me like a lot of like grave clothes and stuff like that they bought me a lot of
03:33:28
Belldifferent outfits stuff like that it was did any of your sugar daddy's aage just send you money just here's 200 bucks 100 bucks 200 here and there I had one guy who would we' play eightball over
03:33:39
BelliMessage this is kind of [ __ ] up I was like 17 or no I was like 19 yeah 19 um um when I lost I'd have to send him nudes I just would go to Pornhub and I
03:33:50
Bellwould just screenshot and crop out the face and I would just send it and I got a lot of money off of him doing that and I'm not necessarily proud of it but to FR yeah it was like a really I'm not proud of it I'm not sitting here and
03:34:03
Brian Atlasbeing like wow that was a great thing for me to do few people by the way Duran dolls thank you for the gifted 10 Subs um okay so um any other girls here had a sugar
03:34:15
Brian Atlasdaddy before any sugar daddies you got sugar you've had a sugar daddy right no actually you're too I'm sorry if you're going to speak you got to scoot into the table you got to do it
03:34:25
Bellinto the mic no I haven't I just started doing all this but okay just set work
03:34:33
Brian Atlasand okay um life on easy mode sugar daddies I don't think there's a lot
03:34:43
Brian Atlasof I like male wizard like 23y old male Wizards who are like just racking in like female sugar daddies you know yeah yeah you both scw
03:34:54
Paytonin warlocks warlock oh warlocks excuse me how long were you in the high demand Lutheran religion like when you were younger like when did cuz when did that
03:35:06
Bellwhen did your parents or family get out of that um I think I was about 13 when I convinced them to like go to a non-denominational and then we were for like a few years I think I fell out
03:35:18
Bellof Christianity probably when I was around like 15 I want to say um I was atheist for a little bit my dad's never been religious my mom's like an avid I think she's still Christian I don't
03:35:31
Bellreally know we're not in contact but and then how long have you been doing what you're doing now um about four years yeah I well I found spirituality um when I was like 19 so I've been practicing
03:35:42
Brian Atlasspirituality witchcraft itself about 3 years yeah I started with like manifesting that kind of stuff you said that your ex-girlfriend was a DJ who put you in psychosis yes what does that mean so
03:35:55
Bellthat was why I kind of got into spirituality I was dating this girl and I was like so in love with her and we broke up and she told me like okay if you really work on yourself we might get
03:36:07
Bellback together she was super into something called star seeds and it's like the belief where you're an alien no it's not the belief You're an Alien it's a belief that you reincarnated from like other planets no it's not even that it's
03:36:19
Andrew Wilsonclose what would you consider the star seed belief cuz that's how she uh described it and that was my experience with star seeds are um an impacting of alien Consciousness into directly into a
03:36:29
Andrew Wilsonhuman being yeah so you are born the seed of the Stars right okay but that's why of course they can't match up DNA or things like this because it's all
03:36:40
BellConsciousness [ __ ] right right so I she got me heavily heav down that pipeline down the twinflame pipeline as well too um and it was during like 2020
03:36:52
Bellas well too so everyone was stuck inside um so I just really so you guys were just playing like a big game of who can believe the craziest esoteric
03:37:02
Bell[ __ ] or what yeah I was really in love with her um so I was really I was lit how did she so wait so you were in love with an alien I guess well you wrote in your notes convinced me I was
03:37:14
Brian Atlasan alien who needed to raise the Vibes yeah um and then but how so when you say you went into psychosis were you like 5150 were you were you an alpha Centurian I didn't get um but I went in
03:37:26
Bellwait I'm sorry I got asked to Alpha Centurian Draconian um God I'm trying to remember which one I think yeah I'm trying to think of which one I identified as I'm not which one's the
03:37:38
Bellone that starts with an L Le there's like a li I don't know what they are um cuz I'm I don't identify if that belief system system anymore but I was real
03:37:48
Belldeep into it in 2020 um it was more the Twin Flame pipeline that [ __ ] me up I just was willing to believe anything to be back with this girl the whole you
03:38:00
Bellsaid she put you in the psychosis though what does that mean she I got sent into psychosis based off the whole situation she pushed those beliefs on to me um it
03:38:11
Bellwas just a really really like toxic situation and I ended up spiraling really really badly um based on those belief systems so I guess it's more I guess I should have worded it better she didn't necessarily put me in psychosis
03:38:23
Bellit was more the belief system but that Dynamic that me and her had put me into psychosis for a brief moment of time okay uh it took me a while to like really find myself again after that
03:38:34
Brian Atlaswhole situation all right you said after we broke up I ended up working for a work cult to try and get her back mhm you did not get back together but it's a
03:38:44
Bellgreat story can you give us the very brief story of the work cult so there is this uh it's this MLM and basically they set up stores outside of stores and they
03:38:57
Bellask money for um I can't say the word sewers slide pre prevention um a lot of the people that set stuff booths out outside of stores
03:39:08
Bellthey're working for marketing companies they're not working for the nonprofits themselves I got sucked into that it's very a work cult environment um your entire life has to be about this job
03:39:20
Bellyour entire life has to be about serving them they isolate you from your friends they isolate you from your family so I got really wrapped into that situation they really got into me they knew that
03:39:32
Bellmy weak point was my ex-girlfriend and so they convinced me they were like if you work really hard you can come back and you can support her you can this is the only way that you're going to be able to get back together with her
03:39:43
Bellessentially drink the Kool-Aid yeah I drink the Kool-Aid um I mean I lot Kool-Aid drinking with you Kool um grew up in a cult so isn't that kind of what
03:39:55
Riley Risa / Charseyou're doing though when you cast the spells like hexes yeah sorry hexes how is that equivalent to being in a cult oh
03:40:03
Riley Risa / Charseno I don't mean the cult part I mean like uh you're making something happen or so you know you think you're making something happen but you think
03:40:15
Riley Risa / Charsethat you were manipulated because this person lied to you and said um brain we might be getting back together but you're also telling people when they pay you to do the hex you don't know for
03:40:27
Bellsure but you're telling them uh you guys might get back together yeah it's never 100% guarantee and I say that right off the bat um I also do I also do not push
03:40:37
Bellan idol and the ideology of like twin flame cuz it's like it's very very very toxic twinflame very toxic the the Twin
03:40:46
BellFlame it's so toxic and the star seed it's so toxic it's it's so so toxic and it sucks people in and it really does
03:40:56
Belldestroy a lot of lives I don't know if you lot women it sucks Watch the documentary yeah so if you guys don't know there's a documentary that they made on uh two people that started an
03:41:08
Bellentire cult based off of the twinflame belief because it really does have a impact on a lot of different people um but primarily when you grow up in an environment where you're conditioned to
03:41:19
Bellcertain beliefs your red flags aren't going off so yeah it's really not surprising that I was involved in kind of a work CLE considering my background
03:41:31
Brian Atlasand considering how I was raised because I wasn't raised to believe oh this is a red flag giovan C says ask which girl monogamous relationships definitionally have more value because the exclusive
03:41:42
Brian Atlasnature of it is inherent inherently valuable you don't have multiple relationships you have zero your man's a cuck he's a cuck definitely not a
03:41:53
Bellcuck he just wants to see me happy will he let you sleep with other men no that's a cook has he ever let you sleep with other men no he doesn't have control over my body but he would feel very very upset if I slept with a man so
03:42:06
Andrew Wilsonout of respect to him I would not sleep with another man would you would you say though that a man who allowed his woman on purpose to sleep with other men is a
03:42:17
Bellcck yeah I think that's a kink that mean be polyamorous and being a cuck are like two separate things no I don't think so yeah cuz cuck is like it's doing in front of
03:42:30
Andrew Wilsonyou is more nuanced than that if somebody allows their significant other to sleep with other people for their own gra their own gratification in this case
03:42:42
Andrew Wilsonyour happy gratification how are they not a c I would never call my man a cuck I would just never say that about him cuz he's not I didn't say that he was I said this so this is what see I think there's
03:42:55
Andrew Wilsonsomething strange about this conversation because I asked is he he said no I said if you ever slept with other or slept with other men then you say no but then when I get to the definition of what a cuck is you're not
03:43:07
Bellwilling to commit to it because I'm I'm wondering if he actually does fall under I in my personal definition of cuck is it's happening right in front of you and they're be because it's Kink
03:43:20
Andrew Wilsonbased no the root word of cuck the root word of cuck was based around the idea of the cuckle bird so here's what would happen the bird would go in it would lay their eggs
03:43:31
Andrew Wilsonunbeknownst to the male and then the male is then taking care of the eggs The Offspring unbeknownst to him that is not his offspring mhm okay so the idea here
03:43:41
Andrew Wilsonis all about Offspring so the idea is if you're sleeping with other men period right he's a cockled right I'm not sleeping with other men right so okay that's fine but would you agree with my
03:43:53
Belldefinition that that is what a cuckle is sure I had a different definition but I guess that I'm not I'm not super
03:44:00
Belleducated on the that kind of UNC not not all agree polyamory I'm very new to
03:44:10
Andrew Wilsonpolyamory they are cucked against their will okay for sure there are men who are cockled it against your will meaning wife significant other goes out sleeps with other men that is cuckoldry oh okay
03:44:22
Andrew Wilsonokay yeah I guess I just had a different definition of it yeah and then also men who allow their woman to sleep with other men also cuckle Tre there's multiple ways in which cuckoldry is
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Bellapplied okay okay yeah I just had a different does he sleep with other women um he's a lowed too we we made things exclusive about 2 months ago so for right now we're keeping it closed but
03:44:45
Bellwhen we live in the same city I'm honestly okay with him seeing other women um as long as it's not having a detrimental effect on our connection but that's just me personally I understand
03:44:56
Bellit's not for everyone you said that you're new to polyamory how new um this is technically my first polyamorous connection I've always kind of wanted to explore it but I've never had the
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Bellopportunity I've always been with people who are very monogamous no I don't want to even Explore that so this is my first like experience exploring poly Amry has actually like built relationships with multiple people
03:45:20
Chrissy Clarksleeping with other people that that's just like kind of swinging unless unless unless somebody has an own I have to move it on so is there an own coming or I just I just am curious with your
03:45:31
Chrissy Clarkhistory of constantly being in Cults and seemingly and my heart hurts for you truly like hearing these bad things that have happened in your life have you stopped to question the move that you've made into polyamory when you've
03:45:42
Chrissy Clarkconstantly made poor decisions about cults and cult-like things yeah how do you not see a red flag in this because I don't think joining a cult is the same thing as being in a polyamorous connection did you think any
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Bellof the Cults you joined were Cults though um no and the first one I didn't join I was born into it yeah but how is polyamory is not a cult
03:46:06
Andrew Wilsonthough any it's would you say would you say any ideology which is foed on you as being good for you and isolating you is
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Bellcultish I'm not being isolated by paully Amory no no my relationship is not isolative he's actually like yeah I'm not sure that I would consider it a cult either I'm just just pointing out that
03:46:30
Brian Atlasyeah okay so that I mean that's the extent of your notes I guess the last thing here uh I noticed the shirt MH that you're wearing could do you care to explain I just thought it would be funny