EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
Page 2 of 9
00:56:08
Andrew Wilsonc you're saying like the this is so this I'm just telling you all I'm doing is regurgitating data at you that's it from Pew research mhm okay so you find it from Pew research right this particular
00:56:20
Andrew Wilsonset of day you can find it in other places too um but it's not very controversial that men don't really date based around financial status of women but that women do date based around
00:56:32
Morganfinancial status of men sure okay yeah great I'm just glad like I didn't know men give a [ __ ] like I just wanted to make sure that yeah generally they don't care that much no so I think we we even
00:56:42
Brian Atlasgranted that we're speaking in generalities here sure I don't think I even think I said I immediately after I made my statement I'm pretty sure I said in general men don't really when it comes to what they find attractive don't
00:56:55
Brian Atlasreally care when when it comes to women's status or their finances or their money but you were asking well like how do we come to this conclusion I mean do you so for example do you think
00:57:05
Morganit would be wrong to say women generally prefer tall men I don't know that we love a short king that's like a whole thing on
00:57:17
Vanessa / CharseInstagram women generally don't want to be hit by a man on me that's a thing but that's abuse anyone wants to be people don't want to be hit that's
00:57:28
TTS/Donationsbut that's the same general it's the same general cont it's really not that de do do you think that most people don't ganic donated $200 stop I became
00:57:38
TTS/Donationsan attorney so my wife wouldn't have to worry about money I GF what she makes because I make enough men don't care priority is she's attractive christly
00:57:49
Andrew Wilsonand wiely and motherly so you can if you're looking at this and I can I can see that you want to look at it logically which is good so if you're looking at it logically let's do a quick logic lesson if I say most people don't
00:58:01
Andrew Wilsonwant to get hit by a car and die do you know that sure how do you know that I mean I would cuz you're using intuition yeah you're using intuition so can I use intuition to say most women
00:58:14
Andrew Wilsonprobably like tolerant I just don't think that's a that's simp well if everything I see is women with men taller than them why couldn't I Inuit it I don't see that though you don't I don't think you're
00:58:27
Morganlooking in the right place are men on average taller than women cuz if they are then on average you should see taller men with shorter women right I I really don't need to belabor this point
00:58:38
Morganlike I understand where you're from if you want to keep belaboring it no really need to believe don't I've swept I've swiped through plenty of men who lie about their height they're 5'9 they're not whatever like I don't think that but
00:58:51
Andrew Wilsonmost of the time when you see a man with a woman he's taller than a woman right I mean I don't know most of the time you don't know if they're taller than the woman what does tall mean to you does that mean shorter than the woman same
00:59:02
Morganheight as the woman or does that mean is above the woman I don't walk down the street and count he's taller he's shorter he's taller he's shorter no but you do walk through an airport okay hey that's fair I do walk through an air but
00:59:15
Andrew Wilsonthen sometimes I we heals sometimes I don't are men on average stronger than women sure okay how do you
00:59:24
Andrew Wilsonknow okay what how do you know scientific so that's scientific how do you know biology I don't know how do I know I'm asking you how do you know how do you know it's scientific can you
00:59:36
Andrew Wilsonquote me the paper where are you getting that stat from I don't I didn't give a stat to you you just said so if you can't tell me scientifically how you know that men are generally stronger than women how do you
00:59:48
Andrew Wilsonknow that is it because you just kind of notice as you look around that men pick up heavier [ __ ] than women do now I feel like you're strawmanning me now I feel
01:00:00
Morganlike you're breaking down down my argument to something from before I mean that's exactly what it is that's what a straw man would be if I'm arguing
01:00:10
Andrew Wilsonagainst a position you don't hold you I asked you do you think that men on average are stronger than women okay
01:00:18
Morganhold on one moment okay okay so this is from purdue.edu straw man oversimplifies opponent's Viewpoint and then attacks that Hollow argument yeah so Hollow
01:00:29
Morganargument would be it's bad but when you do it it's okay well I think you are generalizing for a like a sex and it's
01:00:40
Morgansomething that is like I'm trying to think how I want to say this [Music] because I don't think I mean you know
01:00:53
Morganeven if I want to backtrack that to say that you're right and it's wrong to make generalizations about anybody I can make generalizations that I don't know that nobody wants to find car if you say that
01:01:04
Morganit's wrong to make generalizations about anybody aren't you making a generalization then how would I I would say that it's wrong to make generalizations as a blanket statement
01:01:17
Andrew Wilsonthat would be a generalization no it's not how is it not a generalization because it's wrong yeah to make generalizations uhhuh but that's not General that's not a general statement
01:01:27
Morganthat's so would it be wrong for most people to make General statements no it would be wrong to make a generalization so for you to say most people to make a generalization that would be a
01:01:38
Morgangeneralization for me to say it's wrong to make a generalization that is just a
01:01:46
Andrew Wilsongeneraliz radio and he says suspect white tall heading southbound he's wrong that's I said it's wrong to make a
01:01:58
Andrew Wilsongeneralization that's a generalization that's a generalization he's white and he's tall that's a description it's a general description it's a generalization horis white is a hortic tall is a horis you want to get
01:02:11
Andrew Wilsonout Webster's Dictionary bring it up get it out bring it up is this how you want to spend the whole podcast cuz I will sit here and if you want to do pedantry I'll do pet I don't want to well then if you don't want to then just say if you want to
01:02:24
Andrew Wilsonmake General statements that everybody can intuitively see are true like that well men are taller than women men are generally stronger than women because we can Intuit those things as being to True generally don't AR I won I won't sit
01:02:36
Morganhere and accept men don't give a [ __ ] about a woman's uh career okay would you accept that most don't I just don't think that most being
01:02:47
Andrew Wilsonover 51% I wouldn't accept that okay so you you think that over 51% of men are selecting women based on how much money they earn no what do you think they're selecting
01:02:57
Andrew Wilsonhim on I wouldn't know I'm not a man you're so then how could you offer reputation to anything I said if you just don't know because I don't think that you
01:03:10
Andrew Wilsonknow but even even if I give you the stats if you gave me the stats I would believe you that's it though yeah okay so then Brian can you pull up the stats on whether or not men are looking for
01:03:23
Andrew Wilsonshake your hand and say I was wrong if you gave me the stats they're pulling them up right now sure men definitely do not select women based on their finances but the other way around is true
01:03:37
Andrew Wilsonokay is Nick pulling those up yep we could have done this 10 minutes ago that's all I needed I mean this if this kind of so
01:03:49
Andrew Wilsonthe thing is interesting is I wouldn't think that this would be the thing you'd want to challenge cuz this is beyond no it wasn't that's why I didn't mean to keep going obvious but it's fine we'll pull them up we'll pull them up that's
01:04:01
Riley Risa / Charsewhy there's like actual sugar baby sites you know like a lot of apps just for women to find men make Mone there sugar men I feel like there's more ones for
01:04:11
Andrew Wilsonwhat about gay men is that a how are we factoring that in I didn't for what um we're talking about men and women not men and men we were talking about sugar babies even if we were factoring in gay men they're still it's not the same I
01:04:22
Morgansee what that I see how that's different very small but we're looking for women who are con like concerned with somebody's finances yeah we're just seeing if men generally are selecting based on finances or the
01:04:36
Andrew Wilsonfact that they want to have sex with the chick I say that it's because they select for beauty sure not be not money okay that would be their primary reason so are we saying for sex or for
01:04:47
Andrew Wilsonrelationships no they're selecting physical characteristics not external then physical characteristics meaning if you're a really hot chick who makes really a small amount of money UGI who
01:04:58
Brian Atlasmakes a lot of money most men will go for the attractive sex relationship I can actually answer this hold on I think you're actually setting this up perfectly with this question so I'm actually prepared to say that when
01:05:12
Brian Atlasit comes to what Andrew is saying that men select more when it comes to Beauty physical attractiveness you're saying sex casual are you when you say sex are you saying like just simply casual yeah I would actually argue that when it
01:05:23
Brian Atlascomes to sex men are far less selective just sex absolutely when it comes to looks to get into a relationship with a man he's going to be far more selective when it comes to looks and other things
01:05:34
Brian Atlasbut he's still going to prioritize looks in the relationship sure yeah but also over the financial status of woman which
01:05:43
Morganis the point would you think also that let me let me pose a situation to you if there was a woman like a really
01:05:53
Morganbeautiful woman she was so beautiful MH but like way in debt $20,000 in debt versus a woman who is like you know not
01:06:04
Morganquite as beautiful but like you know there you you could [ __ ] her you know you like that's okay you wouldn't mind but like she made a lot of money and you wouldn't have to worry about it what
01:06:14
Andrew Wilsonwould you do so if you make a prioritization and we can say this value here in this case X's beauty is the thing that they're prioritizing over all other things doesn't mean everything
01:06:26
Andrew Wilsonelse is worthless as a value ad it just means this is the primary thing so if you were to shift the primary value here and just slightly make it lower and then offset it with this secondary thing and
01:06:37
Andrew Wilsonmake it way higher they may select for that sure I'm not disputing that but it wouldn't change the fact that this thing here is still the primary thing that they're looking for so you think that looks are the number one thing that men
01:06:49
Andrew Wilsoncare about and not finances I think that physical attractiveness and beauty is a thing that they're drawn to more than any other relationship think that Finance is the number one thing men are looking for what do you think the number
01:07:00
Paytonone thing men are looking for I'm not sure cuz if I think if I knew I would probably like I don't know actually personality I would say most men are looking for a partner to go through life
01:07:10
Morganand F right Their Own Line yeah I would think it would be a mix of everything you know I I don't think like some hot girl like some hot [ __ ] that's $50,000
01:07:21
Andrew Wilsonin debt walking down the street you're like that's me that's my wife you know so do you agree with me that procreation is necessary for Humanity to continue to exist no well oh to continue
01:07:34
Andrew Wilsonto exist yeah but I don't think Humanity to continue to exist so if that is the case you do agree with me that this was done by a man and a woman having sexual intercourse she became pregnant and then
01:07:45
Andrew Wilsonshe had a baby right that's how that's done sure so how would a man select for that for who he wanted to impregnate how would he select for
01:07:56
Andrew Wilsonthat what would be the what would be the thing within 5 Seconds a man could look at instantly and go want to give I want to put a baby in have you heard about
01:08:07
Andrew Wilsonthe man riding the elephant like that theory okay so before we get into that yeah okay would you agree with me that within a few seconds
01:08:19
Andrew Wilsonright men can utilize a standard of beauty to quickly ascertain whether or not they want to impregnate a woman sure yeah sure right so what's that women women also
01:08:29
Andrew Wilsonabsolutely literally not disputing that at all okay however women might prioritize other categorizations than just this thing sure when you look at
01:08:39
Andrew Wilsonsomebody in the first five seconds hang on so men's categorization for okay I see beauty right whoa beautiful great awesome women might look at other things
01:08:51
Andrew Wilsonthey might be like ah nice suit nice car nice this nice that they may have some other value ad that they're looking for but for men they're looking visually very quickly ascertaining very quickly
01:09:02
Morganhot want I think what you're talking about is like the the like the nature of a man right like his animal Instinct and I think that's the same for a woman like I think you're talking about like like I
01:09:14
Morgansaid the man riding the elephant like the elephant's like the um the part of you that's like old and inherent and like the um what you're doing in your subconscious and I think like okay a man
01:09:25
Morganis seeing a woman oh she's hot I want to impregnate her a woman is seeing a man like strong features I don't think in the first 5 Seconds like I'm not looking
01:09:36
TTS/Donationsat a man and see what he's wearing grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 sorry tons of fun my wife had no money and had
01:09:48
TTS/Donationsa master's degree to pay for I married her because she was the only person I ever missed it helped she's smoking been hot and sexed me up like I like it y good one appreciate it uh we do actually
01:10:00
Brian Atlashave the data that you were asking for it's from the Pew Research Center Nick if you can go wait where's it from Pew let's do it wait from Pew where did I say it was from hell yeah let's do it other
01:10:11
Brian Atlasside okay Americans say a man should be able to support a family financially but don't say the same about women percent of adults saying it is very important that the man woman has each trait in
01:10:21
Brian Atlasorder to be a good husband in the uh teal green whatever and uh in the yellow gold Good Wife partner so on the second
01:10:31
Brian Atlasone be able to support a family financially they uh I believe this is from women to men so 71% of uh women to men say that they want a good husband
01:10:43
Brian Atlaspartner to be able to support a family financially 32% of men are saying that in order to be good wife partner the woman needs to be able to support said over you
01:10:55
Andrew Wilsonremember how you said earlier if we pull this up from Pew Prov you wrong that you would say that you were wrong absolutely I'm wrong you're wrong yeah I'm wrong you're right who's wait I was right okay yeah you're right want toar absolutely
01:11:08
Brian Atlasthanks for sharing the data I really appreciate that uh but just to make one thing clear so we do speak in generalizations here like Andrew said you can in it some of these things we're not going to be able to pull up
01:11:21
Brian Atlasstatistics in each and every instance when we're just having sort of casual conversations like people can just throw out General statements about things and we're not always going to be able to
01:11:33
Brian Atlaspull up the statistics again they're just general statements they're not facts but like I do you need a study to do you need a study to show that generally speaking women prefer tall
01:11:48
Morganmen I don't want to belabor the point well you could just answer the question and I can move it on if I say yes then I'm going to then we're going to belabor the point like there should be evidence
01:11:59
Morganbehind what you say I agree with that so sure we can speak in generalizations this is an informal podcast we're not on Joe Rogan we don't need to look at all the time but evidence can be intuitive
01:12:10
Morgansure that's great I really do would love to move on from this yeah okay so how about this uh do I need like a study for example if I were to say that the sky is blue do I need a study for that or can
01:12:24
Brian Atlaswe just observe with our own eyes that it's blue do we need to
01:12:32
Morganstudy I is my blue different than your blue how do we know what blue is blue I'm not trying to do about I'm just trying sure no we can J I'm trying to just articulate blue yes we can say that thisy certainly there are people who are
01:12:45
Brian Atlasperhaps color blind who might register as gray but I don't think it would I don't think it would be wrong to make a statement that the sky is blue I just I am telling you this is not something that I need to keep talking about these
01:12:57
Andrew Wilsonwomen are way more interesting than this topic I really don't want to keep talking about I mean everybody deserves to have some time but I mean if you're going to I mean the point needed to be
01:13:08
Andrew Wilsonbelabored because we if we're going to have communication right we have to know how to communicate we have to know how to communicate with each I have a degree in communication so so then you agree that we need to know how to communicate with each and I I think that they if
01:13:20
Morganyou're going to quote a statistic that's not over like overall like inherent like the sky is blue that's something I think everybody could agree on I don't I
01:13:32
Morgandidn't agree on that so I asked you for research we could have just done that in 2 seconds instead of a 10-minute argument of why I need research up okay that way that way we could we could move but but the thing is
01:13:44
Andrew Wilsonis I so so now it's my turn to say what I have trouble believing absolutely very difficult for me to believe in current year that women don't know that men
01:13:57
Morgandon't have much in the way of preferences towards women's finances I don't know that yeah okay I mean you have to think of like where like I mean
01:14:08
Morganwhere I'm I live and in my like space that's not you know can I ask you a question so do you think using you is an example
01:14:19
Brian Atlassure that a man would prefer how do I want to frame this here I can't of what men know so I don't know why well you're a flight attendant you
01:14:30
Brian Atlasget these perks they would potentially benefit a boyfriend or future husband uh given that do you think they would prefer
01:14:42
Brian Atlasyou as is with your job or let's say You Were Somehow magically able to transform and be like three points more attractive but you don't have a job and you're a
01:14:54
Brian Atlasbarista and you make minimum wage do you think they'd prefer you as you are now with your really cool job or whatever or three points more attractive but you're just a barista and
01:15:04
Brian Atlasyou make minimum wage I mean I think that's okay if somebody thinks that but that's that's their opinion well in terms of your Ro romantic prospects do you think you would do better in the
01:15:15
Morgandating landscape the dating marketplace with one or the other um I don't think it matters because I wouldn't want to date somebody that would want me to
01:15:25
Brian Atlasthree points hotter but be a barista so I would rather be single but in terms of romantic interest shown your way okay so fine you you personally would not want
01:15:35
Brian Atlasto date a man who would find who would want to partner with a woman of a lower socioeconomic status you don't you would find that disgusting that's fine no
01:15:45
Morganthat's not what I said well is I said I said that's not my preference but you're okay you said that you
01:15:55
Andrew WilsonI value other things besides looks so I wouldn't want a person that values looks over everything else yeah I think that that's fair I'm just saying the the heart of the question see and you could have hit him with the straw man that
01:16:07
Andrew Wilsonwould have worked I might have been a straw man but anyway um the thing is is uh the the heart of the question what we're trying to get at is whether or not you would prefer that right we're trying to look at it from
01:16:19
Andrew Wilsonthe other perspective do you think that men would likely have a preference towards one of the other I didn't we just have this conversation no I I can't speak to what men would
01:16:31
Brian Atlaslike okay do you have no opinion on whether or not why can't women speak to what men like I'm not a man I don't know but like
01:16:41
Brian Atlasas men we've kind of learned to some degree certain things that men or excuse me that women like in men women like confident guys they like tall successful
01:16:52
Morganetc etc I don't think that this is I mean I sat here and said I feel like I'm a valuable person because I have a great job and a lot of things to offer and you just sat here and said no you don't so that's a straw man there you go
01:17:06
Brian Atlassay that we it you said well most men don't think so it had nothing to do with your value as a person but like when it comes to you say that most men don't care about finances yeah but that so me
01:17:18
Andrew Wilsonsaying most can't most men aren't dating around a financial preference has nothing to do with your value oh okay why would that have anything to do with your value well I guess not yeah but I I
01:17:29
Morganthought that my finances brought value to my dating some will thought of course she's absolutely right to somebody I'm sure that they will my part are long distance so but most most men so I
01:17:41
Morganthought I knew what most men like so obviously I'm wrong so I really can't speak to what most men would like that's what I'm saying is like I was wrong I told Andrew I was wrong I'm wrong it's
01:17:53
Bellfine I'm wrong uh let's get through the rest of the relationships please dear Lord go ahead into the mic uh single I've been single
01:18:04
Bellfor 3 years and my last relationship was like 5 months and he ghosted me out of nowhere and sorry longest relationship was 5 months you said or was five months ago no that was my last relationship my
01:18:16
Brian Atlaslongest is 3 years three years and so you've been single for 5 months no I've been single for like 3 years but that relationship was like 5 months the one that ended three years ago it was a five
01:18:27
Brian Atlasokay all right all right got it what about you I've been married for 14 years hey congratulations I was a nanny okay
01:18:36
Vanessa / Charseuh any any kids wait wait what who we have three we four kids together three kids together but we have four kids wait wait back up to the nanny
01:18:48
Vanessa / Charsething what what now I was the nanny was there a wife yeah but yeah which way did you marry um so I was my husband then his
01:18:58
Vanessa / Charseex-wife's Nanny oh and then were they married at the time no not when we got together they were separated after shanon be oh gotcha
01:19:09
Brian Atlasyeah so wait you met your now husband when he was married to another woman corre and you were working for them I
01:19:17
Brian Atlaswas nannying yes and was there did you hook up with the husband no not the course of the relationship or no no no
01:19:27
Vanessa / Charseoh okay not when I was Nanny like she and had ended up having an affair with my roommate and then they s separated and then he and I ended up
01:19:40
Vanessa / Charseactually randomly getting together like a month before the divorce was finalized okay cool um Rand interesting
01:19:49
Riley Risa / Charseyeah uh what about you um I'm currently single I'm talking to some muddy but uh and my last well my longest relationship was 2 years and he broke up with me when
01:20:01
Riley Risa / CharseI the day I got my wisdom teeth out while I was high on the anesthesia they give you so yes that's awesome wait so definitely not awesome
01:20:14
Brian Atlasbrutality yes wait so you've been single for how long um two years now all right two
01:20:22
Brian Atlasyears um and this is the one that ended this guy yeah it ended two years ago um and we were dating for two years da for two years ended two years ago yes okay
01:20:35
Riley Risa / Charseuh he broke up with you on the day you got your wisdom teeth out any reason why did you talk to him about it yeah we fought a lot like a lot um but like I don't really know why he
01:20:47
Riley Risa / Charsechose to do it on that day maybe it's because I was more out of it and he was like oh well maybe it won't hurt H as bad cuz she's high but who when you said maybe you just forgot you were getting
01:20:59
Riley Risa / Charseyour wisdom teeth out no he knew and he actually my mom like she offered to like take care of me when I got my wisdom teeth out because they say not to leave like leave the person Alone um and he
01:21:11
Riley Risa / Charsesaid no it's okay I got her did you guys argue the night before um no actually the night before he uh we have a we have a dog together he asked me if I wanted to get another dog with him the night
01:21:23
Riley Risa / Charsebefore we were not arguing and you you said you guys argued a lot about what everything we just like he's I know that sounds bad that he broke up with me cuz my wisdom teeth but
01:21:35
Riley Risa / Charsehe he's not a bad guy like we we just have very different opinions on things and like what um just life in general like I don't know I feel like he's a very stubborn
01:21:48
Riley Risa / Charseperson and he can't really it's it's kind of hard to explain but we we just didn't get along great who would start the arguments
01:21:57
Riley Risa / Charseum probably me yeah probably you yeah probably me um so what's an example of an argument let me think
01:22:09
Riley Risa / Charseum gosh it's well it's been two years I don't really remember an exact argument we had oh um okay so one time uh he was laying in front of me and he had his
01:22:20
Riley Risa / Charsephone out and um he was on Snapchat and like I'm fine with him like having friends that are girls and like talking to them that's fine with me but this
01:22:30
Riley Risa / Charsegirl posted a picture like very clearly showing off her boobs and in front of me he commented on it and he just said boobs I know like he didn't put like hard eyes or whatever but we got an
01:22:43
Chrissy Clarkargument about that cuz I was like that's not okay and why would you do that it makes no sense why are you okay with that I'm I'm not that's why I I me like why are you like what is it about them like a man that you're dating
01:22:55
Riley Risa / Charsehaving female friends that showcase pictures like that or no no I don't I I mean I just I know I'm just curious I'm okay if they're friends with somebody that does that as long as they're not
01:23:07
Chrissy Clarkhooking up with that person or commenting but if we're establishing that men are PRI their primary benefit of having women in their life is looking
01:23:17
Chrissy Clarkat them wouldn't it be a red flag to you um no because I have a lot of guy friends that like I right but your primary benefit with them isn't is like friendship right
01:23:29
Chrissy Clarklike I have guy friends yeah like we all do but that's not the same for men well I don't I don't know I don't really think that way I feel
01:23:39
Brian Atlaslike I don't know I think that men can have women friend that's just not a problem for me to be honest okay well one question um so you it seems like you
01:23:50
Brian Atlashad an issue with with this uh do you during the course of the relationship would you post any sort of photos onto your Instagram like bikini photos or
01:24:01
Riley Risa / Charseanything like that no well bikini photos but like he took them so like he was fine he didn't have a problem with me posting that type of stuff same for I
01:24:10
Brian Atlasmean he didn't really post on Instagram but but so isn't the counter to a guy who is liking other girls Instagram posts I don't care I don't care isn't the kind
01:24:22
Brian Atlasof sort of equivalent Woman Like Your Girlfriend posting that sort of content on Instagram um personally me I don't
01:24:32
Riley Risa / Charsethink so I don't honestly I don't even know what I think when I post stuff like that um I kind of I like my boyfriend to see it but yeah I guess I am posting it
01:24:43
Brian Atlasto my social media H cuz I mean the I don't think it's going to be a one toone with men and women because um typically when it
01:24:53
Brian Atlascomes to uh Le romantic interactions on these social media platforms so men they're going to like they're going to slide into the DMS women aren't really
01:25:04
Brian Atlasgoing to slide into the DMS they're going to post a revealing photo or any photo in the hopes that that Garners them male attention and then they'll receive that attention they'll get a DM
01:25:16
Riley Risa / Charsefrom a guy okay well at the time I was doing I didn't really post a lot I think like I I posted like one bikini photo that he took of me like because I liked how I
01:25:27
Brian Atlaslooked in the picture anyways he broke up with you uh you got your wisdom teeth out maybe he was just doing it cuz he knew you wouldn't be able to have an argument with him I don't know oh we
01:25:37
Brian Atlasstill argued we still argued really that's an L for him um oh well you guys had like intermingling of you guys had an animal together yeah well yeah like
01:25:48
Brian Atlaswhen you break up with somebody you don't really owe them anything yeah but um I kept the dog like I don't think in a breakup situation you don't you you don't owe the person closure no I know
01:25:59
Riley Risa / Charsebut like isn't it weird don't you think that like out of all days he could have broken up with me it happens to be the day that like I just got my wisdom to though disagree it's a little
01:26:10
Riley Risa / Charseweird like it's not outrageous but it is a little odd fair enough I just think ghosting is a really red flag no it's not it's not ghosting yeah he didn't ghost me just like hey I'm I'm over it
01:26:23
Bellhe came home from yeah and she could have picked a day where she wasn't getting her wisdom teeth out I know like the next I that I would hope that myner would respect me enough for that I agree with that I just want to ask a question
01:26:35
Morganat what point do you think you owe somebody closure I mean the longer the longer you've been in a relationship but um he did give me closure though so we're all I don't think if somebody feels uncomfortable with it you need to
01:26:48
Brian Atlaslike oh okay let's have like multiple conversations about this you want to continue having conversation about this I think you can have a singular conversation about it and I think it can
01:26:59
Brian Atlasbe fine sure great depends on the situation I know women do that [ __ ] all the time that doesn't mean it's okay women ghost all the time doesn't mean
01:27:09
Brian Atlasit's okay sure men ghost all the time too sure it's just a people thing you know sure but it's I've actually had this en this situation where I've had a girl break up with me and she wants to
01:27:21
Brian Atlashave the closure closure conversation I'm like hold it might be one thing if you're doing the breaking up and the other person wants to close your conversation you know like you're breaking up with them and they why but
01:27:33
Brian Atlasif you want to break up with somebody and you want to have the conversation I don't think they owe you a conversation if if you like as as a girl if you're about to break up with a
01:27:45
Brian Atlasguy and say you're going to do it over the phone or something yeah I don't think the guy needs to actually talk it through with you he can just be like I I respect your decision I wish you the best it was nice knowing you click I
01:27:58
Morganthink that's totally cool I feel like there's a really fun thing we can do right now like raise your hand if you don't like to be ghosted who likes to be ghosted no one likes don't raise your hand if you don't like to be ghosted I'm conf now raise your hand if you've
01:28:11
Morganghosted somebody like I ghosted oh somebody not somebody I was no but I'm saying like it we don't love it but we do it sometimes it's easier like I don't know I think
01:28:23
Chrissy Clarkit's Val like I'm confused between ghosting and closure cuz to me ghost different it's different yeah okay cool I'm glad we're on the same page yeah
01:28:32
Lindsayanyways um relationship status I think let's uh married uh married for six been together for eight all right long this is your
01:28:42
Lindsaylongest no I was uh previous previously married uh for 15 years off and on okay kids wait wait did you say off and on we were together off and on yeah
01:28:56
Kaylaum so two kids from the previous and then one from now and then I have a stepdaughter mhm I am single I've been single for
01:29:07
Kaylaabout 9 years uh my longest relationship was 11 years it was my marriage um we were together before marriage I want to
01:29:16
Kaylasay 8 years married for three okay kids kids I have a daughter um I also have have a son that's been given away an adoption so I've birthed
01:29:27
Chrissy Clarktwo children but one is my child okay all right what about you um I'm getting married in 60 days so conat
01:29:37
Chrissy Clarkcongratulations thanks guys um we met in Nashville through mutual friend um and the longest relationship I had was my first relationship from seventh grade till senior year of high school so um
01:29:51
Chrissy ClarkI've always and how long have you been together with your current person um we met in August of 21 got engaged in June of 23 we didn't start dating sorry
01:30:02
Chrissy Clarktimeline August of 21 June of 22 we started actually dating mhm a year from the day we started dating we got engaged and then a year and some change later
01:30:13
Chrissy Clarkwe'll get married so together two three years yeah mhm and I will say if you if anybody's getting engaged like the wedding industry the way they make make
01:30:24
Chrissy Clarkyou wait so long to get married is just such crap um it's so awful waiting I would have married him the moment that he proposed to me and I just feel like do a destination wedding that's what we
01:30:35
Chrissy Clarkdid it's so much better it's just it's so long to wait I feel like it leaves so much wiggle room in the way that we have engagements in America right now it's
01:30:45
Paytonjust so bad so not I'm living through it but I disagree with it and what about you I am married been married for four years together with him for N9 years we
01:30:56
Paytonmet in college we did have a small little break in there I met him when I was 18 18 fiery and just didn't have my stuff together a lot of wounds from
01:31:07
Paytongrowing up with separated parents um after that breakup we he went overseas he was in the military um we kind of reconnected like month six months or so
01:31:18
Brian Atlasafter and then got back together and have never been apart since all right congrats cool cool all right we got everyone's uh relationship status uh I do want to get
01:31:30
Brian Atlasinto some of the pre-show notes Here although before we do a little earlier Stiffler he does ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale
01:31:39
Bellof one to 10 starting with you how I do myself or I'm you got to do it into the you got to speak sry am I rating myself
01:31:49
Morganor am I rating someone your own looks yeah my own looks um I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to
01:32:02
Morganget myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you wait you're
01:32:14
Morganwait you mean I'm a little confused I like had a lot of issues with self-esteem and I worked through them a lot therapy and like part of that is like seeing myself
01:32:26
Morgana 10 out of 10 so I'm going to keep that delusion for me thanks ju so just to be clear if you
01:32:34
Morganwere to engage in this conversation and on this podcast it would totally be catastrophic to years and years of therapy I just don't want to continue
01:32:47
Morganthe conversation because I feel like it could be if we belabor the point like we did about what was going on before like like to me I think it's a I'm a 10 out of 10 and that's all I need to say about
01:32:58
Morganthat well I I want to actually explore this sure okay in terms of well just in terms of like in like a mental health standpoint or how well I I just if therapy is actually effective how would
01:33:12
Morganhaving a conversation undo years and years of therapy because like a trigger
01:33:22
Morgancan do stuff like that like if you have a triggering situation um and so part of your therapy entailed viewing yourself in terms of
01:33:34
Morganyour own physical appearance as perfect it's 10 out of 10 along the lines of like hyping yourself up you know like you know you're like you're a bad [ __ ]
01:33:44
Brian Atlasyou're great like saying those affirmations MH are something that helped me a lot in my journey sure you know um well let me ask you a different
01:33:55
Brian Atlasquestion then Journey um oh yeah you love that word the journey um have you ever seen a beautiful girl with a mid guy sure yeah you is that a phenomenon like any other girls didn't I tell you I
01:34:08
Morgandon't want to talk about this because of my mental health like I'm going to draw a boundary here and move on um okay if it affects your mental health we'll just move on I would like to move on
01:34:19
Brian Atlasplease I mean I was asking a different question though other other panelist have you seen this phenomenon of like mid mid guys with like beautiful girls yes absolutely
01:34:33
Bellokay um okay I'll move on to you unfortunately I haven't gone to therapy I used to think of myself as a three but
01:34:43
Brian Atlaswith this job I think I'm a six with a what with this job like social media and everything posting myself more often your job so before the job you were a three
01:34:55
Brian Atlasyeah with the job you're now a six in terms of your looks so your look your looks have increased because of self-esteem is a powerful thing I thought you didn't want to talk on this topic I thought you didn't want to engage want to
01:35:07
Bellengage yeah I feel like it has helped me like boost my confidence change what I look like to make myself feel prettier so your face shape has transformed ever
01:35:15
Brian Atlassince doing porn I guess it's you know maneuvered change my hair yeah yeah but you could have changed your hair to doing the
01:35:26
Brian Atlasporn Okay um so just to be clear the the question isn't about your confidence it's just about physical looks six okay
01:35:35
Vanessa / Charseokay I'd say an eight maybe eight okay I'd say about a six okay yeah I would say a six I think I'm
01:35:45
Chrissy Clarklike a three okay I would have usually said a seven but you can't say seven so I'm i' gone with yeah I'll go with eight
01:35:54
Bellokay eight Andrew four give myself a five give myself a five are you guys writing yourselves so low that just makes me so
01:36:06
Lindsaysad that makes me so so sad that you guys better yourself are youall going you have to go on the scale so 10 is like the most beautiful woman you've
01:36:16
Morganever seen where you don't feel that way about yourself it's reality reality you don't feel that way about yourself how's anybody El going to feel that way it's not about how I feel not actual look I'll just put this out there this is the
01:36:29
Andrew Wilsonmost honest woman I've ever seen on this podcast ever the most honest yes most honest most honest answer I've ever
01:36:37
TTS/Donationsheard from a woman podcast grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 I agree with my fellow nashvillian long
01:36:47
TTS/Donationsengagements are stupid expensive wedding ceremonies that start your life together in debt are insan question for the panel do you support
01:36:58
Brian Atlasfeminism yeah we'll get we'll get into that um really quick uh just going around the table do you support feminism yes yes yes not today's
01:37:10
Riley Risa / Charsefeminism yeah it depends on what feminism means to no no [ __ ] no
01:37:18
Brian Atlasno okay um so going back to the whole 10 thing I'm going to ask one other different question here
01:37:29
Brian Atlasso do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time as compared to now so you're at 23 do you think you'll be better looking at 33 than you are now at 23 I don't think I'm going to change
01:37:39
Brian Atlasmuch I think I'll look relatively the same okay what about uh so same in terms of attracting this 33 to 23 what about
01:37:48
Bell43 20 years time um I'll probably look more attractive 33 so 23 20 33 yeah I would say 43 I'll look older I don't think like older is less attractive
01:38:00
Brian Atlasthough I think um I just don't view it like that so the question is not will you still be attractive you may you may very well still be attractive not making that claim at all but the question is
01:38:11
Belljust will you be more the same or less attractive as your as you currently are at your current age the same I would say because i' say that that factor changes based on age um what someone considers
01:38:23
Belllike a hot 45-year-old is going to be very different than what they consider like a hot 25y old so if I consider myself attractive at this age I would
01:38:32
Bellconsider myself attractive at 43 as well too okay with about so 53 yes 63 yeah I
01:38:40
Brian Atlaslook there's grandmas that can still get it there there's there's I don't yeah okay and then going to you uh you're 31 do you think you'll be more attractive
01:38:52
Morganin 10 years time I think this conversation is objectifying and disgusting so I'll pass well how is it
01:39:03
Brian Atlaswhy is it disgusting it's a simple question I we can answer it too we're me do you think it's objectifying women or obing in general what's wrong with objectification I'm not a fan of it so
01:39:15
Morganwhy do you wait see can I just pass do you really want to break this down you could just engage you requested to be on the show I do I did sure but like I mean there's
01:39:29
Morganlike there's the two things that I didn't want to do I didn't want to like rate myself on a scale of 1 to 10 and and that's all right you promise those are the only two things you don't want and I don't want to uh my body count cuz
01:39:39
Morganthat's it okay so three things no I said rate myself on a scale of 1 to 10 and my body count yeah but this this isn't rating though well in 10 years okay I think there's the potential to do both
01:39:51
Brian Atlasbecause of plastic surgery and lots of things okay well how about this do you think what about uh 51 compared to
01:40:01
Brian Atlas31 51 I don't you know I don't know 20 years time do you think you'll be better
01:40:08
Morganlooking and I don't know I don't that's not I don't see things in that way so
01:40:17
Morganwhen you when you age are there changes to your face your skin sure but like when I look at like when I look at pictures of myself when I was 20 like do
01:40:27
MorganI think I was beautiful yeah but like I see myself now and like I think that things about me now maybe if they're not like as physically attractive I see them
01:40:38
Morganas attractive cuz it like shows things that I've like been through what do you you mean physically yeah I I don't know like cuz I do think that like confidence and energy does come out physically you
01:40:51
Morganknow the way you car yourself the way you yourself so I think like as an insecure 20-year-old versus a secure 30-year-old versus a very secure 40-year-old versus like a glowing
01:41:01
Andrew Wilson50-year-old I think there could be differences wait a secure 30-year-old yeah well how can you be secure if just having a single conversation on a rating
01:41:12
Andrew Wilsonwould undo years of therapy that sound like didn't because I drew a boundary yeah so I mean it doesn't sound like security but okay well I mean that's
01:41:23
MorganI draw a boundary for a triggering subject that's actually what adults do if it's something you don't want to talk about you don't have to talk about it we have many things that we're not supposed to talk about on this podcast yeah but
01:41:36
Andrew Wilsonit's not because we wouldn't want to talk about them it's because we're at the confines and the mercy of the platform that we're on not because I wouldn't want to actually get into those why do you think those topics are not allowed on this platform because a bunch
01:41:48
Morganof [ __ ] Communists own the platform well that's why yeah okay honestly that sounds like a generalization oh no it it well yeah it
01:41:59
Morganis a generalization specific generalization specif well I think we know who's going to rage quit Andrew no I probably will leave
01:42:11
Morganearly though cuz I got to go to work tomorrow oh not right now but keep going so much for the bad [ __ ] did I
01:42:22
Andrew Wilsonsay it was a bad you did earlier in your your conversation you rewind it you said that's why my therapist told me to be a bad [ __ ] me to be a d you know what I mean well so question on this question
01:42:33
Brian Atlason this uh kind of rewinding a bit here you're 31 do you think you were better looking at 21 than you are now at 31
01:42:42
Brian Atlasphysically sure yeah oh physically sure yeah well so but why can't you answer the definitive like moving forward in time
01:42:55
Brian Atlasbecause I don't know what's going to happen well I mean just looking at I guess trajectory I don't know what's going to happen sure of course but that's that happened do you have
01:43:10
Brian Atlasstocks I'm sure I do somewhere well it's possible that there could be total societal collapse and your stocks could end up worthless but if you had to be a betting woman in 10 years time knowing
01:43:21
Brian Atlaswhat you know about the stock market for example over over periods of time it just goes up up up up up even if we're currently like going through a bit of a crash but over time it's just continually going up up up up up even if
01:43:33
Brian Atlasthere's periods of decline in the stock market right mhm so best
01:43:45
Kaylaguess couldn't tell you do do you know have a mother to look at and say this is my mother is like really beautiful well yeah so that's how you can possibly
01:43:56
Morgangauge how you'll look in the future right by looking at your mother but I could like gain 50 lb lose 50 lbs I could get a whole lot of Botox Botox genetics will do for your body and could
01:44:07
Kaylapossibly end up doing so you could make a generalization of saying yes or no right oh sure just curious okay I could that's how I I look at it I look at my
01:44:19
Brian Atlasmother and go that's how she aged I age the same okay okay all right uh you are 26 better looking in 10 years time at 36 I think
01:44:29
Brian Atlasso 46 hopefully 56 yeah better looking yeah 66 Anything could happen any Anything Could Happen
01:44:40
Brian Atlasyeah okay 76 better looking at 76 as compared to now at 26 hell yeah if you were to remain in your current industry do you think you uh in terms of the
01:44:51
Brian Atlasmoney you can make you think the money goes up when you get older you think there's more demand for 76y old porn
01:44:58
Brian Atlasstars as compared to 26y old porn stars okay um you are 37 better looking
01:45:07
Vanessa / Charseat 47 10 years time or better looking now uh that's the hard one because I they each
01:45:15
Brian Atlasum I would say maybe about the same hopefully better looking but the older I get I would say go down and uh you're 37 do you think
01:45:26
Brian Atlasyou're better looking at 27 than you are now at 37 no better looking at 27 37 oh better looking at 37 than at 27 okay personally yeah all right and then uh
01:45:37
Vanessa / Charsebetter looking at 57 as compared to 37 I think I'm start to go down a little bit 22 uh better looking at 32 than now um hopefully if I start working out okay
01:45:51
Brian Atlaswhat if you don't what if you don't start working out and you stay the same weight um I think I'd probably be better looking now okay and then what uh oh
01:46:01
Brian Atlasokay so better at 22 than 32 okay uh and then for you uh 40 better looking at 50 than you are now at 40 no way okay and then were you better looking at 30 than you are now at 40 yeah my 30s were
01:46:13
Lindsaydefinitely my Prim okay and were you were you better looking at 20 than you were at 30 NOP 20s were definitely like party don't care about yourself 30 were
01:46:23
Brian Atlaslike 30s were the okay I was in my prime of weightlifting and all that so uh 40 do you think you'll be better looking at 50 than you are now 40 no no into the mic if you can um were you better looking at 30 as compared to now at 40
01:46:37
Brian Atlasno actually I think I look better now at 40 than I did at 30 okay and then better looking at 20 uh better looking now than than at 20 I think I Yes actually better looking now than at 20 okay and really
01:46:49
Brian Atlasquick going back to you um better looking at then now no no okay got it and then Chrissy uh you're 27 better looking now
01:47:01
Brian Atlasor will you be better looking at 37 oh I'll look better now okay and then better looking now or will you be better looking at 37 10 years now okay uh okay there you have it folks there
01:47:15
Brian Atlasare the answers thank you Matthew for the gifted five memberships um the 10 rating is an interesting one to me um you don't want to get into it though but
01:47:25
Brian Atlasyou rated yourself a 10 um you also said though you would be better looking in 10 years time so how can you be a 10 now but also be better looking or excuse me
01:47:36
Bellactually just to be fair I think you said you'll be the same yeah so I guess I can't make that argument yeah but she also said she'd be the same at 50 mhm yeah I think I really like old
01:47:49
Bellpeople I think a lot of old people are really beautiful you can see that they have a lot of life experience I think a lot of people don't even make it to 50 and I think if you're lucky enough um you
01:48:00
Bellshould really cherish the life you have and yeah I just I don't know I very cherish who people are as people more than I guess what they physically look a
01:48:10
Bellsoul is more important to me my partner is considerably more attractive to me now that I know him more than when I first met him considerably more
01:48:20
Bellconsiderably more mhm um so yeah I think the more I get to grow and learn as a person the better I'll be in a lot of different
01:48:31
Bellareas and that's just me personally I understand that you know not everyone's going to rate me a 10 out of 10 and I'm okay with that fair enough yeah really quick going back to you do you think all women are
01:48:46
TTS/Donationstens I think it's whatever they rate themselves mhm do you think men are one sec seriously Shelby donated
01:48:57
TTS/Donations$200 can we get the Ora out of the room let's be honest she doesn't want the truth and wants to be in the Lulu land she needs the heat to see reality first
01:49:08
Brian Atlastime donation Long Time Watcher all right seriously Shelby thank you for the TTS appreciate it um are all men tens it's whatever they think of
01:49:20
Brian Atlasthemselves like I think your self-esteem is really important but why when earlier I asked if you've ever seen a mid guy with a beautiful woman you were able to make some sort of determination as to people's physical appearance that that
01:49:33
Brian Atlasyou're making a judgment on their physical appearance otherwise how would you be able to categorize the woman is beautiful and the man is mid or average in the looks department and so I'm a
01:49:44
Brian Atlaslittle confused with that okay what do you want to break down well you do have some basis for being able to make determination when it comes to physical appearance okay because you're able to
01:49:55
Brian Atlascategorize the man as mid sure and the woman as beautiful okay and so I guess where I'm confused is um like how and why what are you confused
01:50:06
Brian Atlasabout well you you have these objections to the rating thing you think it's objectification you think it's disgusting but you didn't seem to have any hesitation at all when it came to
01:50:17
Brian Atlascategorizing a man as a mid so was your own categorization that you made of a man being mid because you're everybody has a preference but you I mean is it
01:50:29
Morganobjectification and discusting on your end no cuz I'm not going to sit here and go around a table and say who's a mid and who's not and ask everybody to rate themselves sure it could be somebody who's not even in the room just something that's come into your mind
01:50:42
Brian Atlasthrough your even imagination you could have made them up in your mind might have not even been a real person you've seen sure but is it disgusting and objectifying for you to be able to make a determin if a man's a mid in terms of
01:50:55
Morganhis looks I mean I think there's inherent like maybe judgment off the bat
01:51:01
Morganbut I think to put it online and to like put it on a panel is objectifying and disgusting the even if you're talking
01:51:13
Andrew Wilsonabout the circumstance of why people do that what do you mean well so in this particular case I think I I'm trying to well I think got it figured out what your perception is tell me if I'm wrong that
01:51:26
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying so yes I have some factor for my own perception of what I consider to be good-looking or not good-look and I can make those value judgments okay however
01:51:38
Andrew Wilsondoesn't mean if I'm in a room with a bunch of people and you ask me to make that value judgment even though I may be able to that I actually will right is that is that correct yes okay but what
01:51:49
Andrew Wilsonif the purpose of the conversation is to make the evaluation as to why people are doing that in the first place why is it that people have these value judgments what is it that is shared about those
01:52:02
TTS/Donationsvalue judgments so that people can either improve upon those themselves or Ulus is the Pagan donated $200 he's saying your hypocrisy is a
01:52:12
Andrew Wilsonhuge as your tonnage so anyway so the the point is if the conversation is itself in regards to to uh why it is