EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
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Belltell us your name age location and occupation hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara do you uh go to school at all or
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Bellno okay and you're uh what kind of witch are you well I are you a blood witch a dark witch what kind of Witch uh so I kind of I specialize in like banful
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Bellmagic love magic what's banful Magic hex's um hexes yeah stuff like that just
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Bellworkings tarot tarot psychic stuff and um yeah you're also an astrologist and a a psychic yeah yeah psychic mostly just
00:04:27
Bellpsychic okay yeah yeah so like when you say psychic what does that mean like have you seen those tarot cards videos yeah I'm familiar with terot cards yeah yeah I can like whip out cards and I can
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Belljust tell you about your future I don't know people come to me a lot of people want to know if they can get back together with their ex so that's pretty much what I am doing right now but um
00:04:48
Brian Atlasyeah kind of just do a lot of different things but like any other kind of psychic uh yeah I do
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Brian Atlasmediumship um the noise going yeah there's back there not sure what okay um so are you psychic without the cards
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Bellyeah a little bit I can um like can you predict the future I don't yes okay so like when it comes to predicting something every action you take in your life can rapidly change the life path
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Bellyou're going on so when you're pulling on someone's life path it's based on what is already coming into effect for example if uh okay let me think of a PG example if
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BellI am like okay are me and my boyfriend going to get married and then I decide to break up with him the next day that's obviously going to change the path so there's a it's not a exact science but um and is is this something that's
00:05:46
Brian Atlaspassed down from generation to generation like in your no I actually grew up in a I grew up in a Christian household yeah uh what what denomination um it
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Bellwasy it was like yes so there's like like 12 members and they believe that if you weren't a member of their church that you were going to you know get to make it to the afterlife um and I'd have
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Bellto study the Bible for like 6 hours every day after school it was like a really really intense small Church um but I think they were considered Lutheran Lutheran okay yeah and uh prior
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Bellto coming on the show did you cast a hex on me Andrew or the podcast oh no I don't I didn't even know you guys' Nam I'm going to be real I don't really know a lot of do you need the name to cast a
00:06:31
Brian Atlashex yeah or like a photo can you only cast hex on people or can you cast on like a company I could cast on a company mhm yeah I guess I could have if I really wanted to but and like how
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Belleffective are the hex's well/ Spells I can give an example MH um the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have
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Belllike a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his
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Bellspine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it and was that 3 days after you cast it no it was 6 months but yeah yeah I mean so that would have been cool if it was three
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Belldays I would have really sold the deal but but I mean what evidence do you have that that's because you hexed him yeah I guess I don't really have uh concrete proof or evidence but the numbers with three it just seems like a weird
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Bellcoincidence um I also do offer it as a service so my clients have overwhelmingly positive reviews so I don't know maybe it's a placebo but I
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Bellwould say my clients disagree and it's an as a service I offer hex's love spells tarot readings um money magic I'm really good at money magic that's
00:07:49
Brian Atlassomething that I'm really really good at so so like Law of Attraction money magic yeah yeah okay yeah word um um did you go to
00:08:00
Bellschool to learn uh the Witchcraft no I went to school for like graphic design for a year during Co and then I just dropped out because I didn't like online school I have ADHD I can't do you
00:08:12
Brian Atlasconsider yourself like you know how there's like journeyman yeah leather workers are you like how advanced are you in the Witching so business um I've
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Bellbeen practicing for about 4 years um professionally I do have like a mentor she um has practiced witchcraft for about 20 years um so she taught me a lot of stuff I have taken like courses and
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Bellthen I just did a lot of like free workings for people until I felt confident enough to offer it as a service right and but is there like did you learn any of it from Tik Tok or a
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Belllittle bit Tik Tok um books just I'm a very intuitive witch so I pull from my intuition a lot and so is there such thing as a like what's
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Bellthe male version of a witch a wizard a war war no so Witch is like a gender neutral term so anyone can calls a wi can be a witch they usually refer to him as warlock yeah I'm actually like is a
00:09:09
Bellcount what's a counter Witch is that a wizard I don't what that is I I think this is getting like Dungeons and Dragons terminology you talking I mean
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Brian Atlashold on me and Andrew are Wizards okay yeah that's sick so we actually we we would have detected had you tried to pre-cast a hex right I hexed you and
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Brian Atlasthen you we we had we had we knew you were coming so we cast defensive spells like we did we did um the plus 10 Glyph of Defense plus 10 Glyph of like defense and like magic resistance yeah it's
00:09:41
Brian Atlascalled warding but yeah we Ward you can call it that yeah well we did like a consecration spell like cuz we kind of like [ __ ] with like Paladin [ __ ] and stuff okay like are you familiar with like Paladin stuff no I don't yeah like
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Bellpaladins what is a paladin you don't know how do you not know what a paladin is I've never heard of that magic yeah we use holy magic oh okay cool it's video G well met yeah that's what I assumed I'm like I don't really know any
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Morganof these no no it's not video games it really wor Paladin yeah for sure is it like D and D can I ask you what your big three are cuz I I dabble in Tarot and stuff too yeah so okay that's kind of
00:10:16
Bellinteresting so technically I was born as an aquarius but I don't like my birthday so I changed my birthday I fig like you know you can change so many things about
00:10:27
Bellyou so I'm changed my birthday um um but I'm an aquarius Sun I'm an Aries rising and I'm a Pisces moon but I guess technically with my new birthday I would be a Leo
00:10:38
Bellson oh so you identify with a different birthday yeah I don't like my birthday I just don't like it it's a winter birthday what yeah it's really not my thing well if you're an aquarius yeah
00:10:49
Bellit's a winter birthday I hate having I was born in Colorado but isn't that the age of Aquarius something like that that I mean wouldn't you want to be an Aquarius cuz this is the age of Aquarius I I like Leo
00:11:02
BellI like being Aquarius I just don't like my birthday I feel like everything bad always happens to me on my birthday like something bad always happens on my birthday so I was like n I'm just going to actually celebrate my half birthday so I just celebrate my half birthday now
00:11:14
Belland I just told everyone today's my birthday and then yeah well today's my birthday today might be your birthday it is now I just changed it sickes happy birthday how old are you thank you well I'm the same age I was yesterday but
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Bellit's but still it's my birthday okay cool so when it comes to the witch stuff I mean is there like a go-to book like are there books on this show um Cunningham is like a really good author
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Bellfor it um so I pretty just just like encyclopedias of herb you also can Google a lot of stuff honestly can you like buy can you buy it on Amazon yeah
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Bellyeah you can get a lot of books on Amazon about being a witch yeah um ad isz library has like a lot of free downloads so that's I buy my tarot cards on Teemu so
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Brian AtlasI'm just curious like but I feel like a lot of witches would be like like wokey sjw like libtards or whatever so yeah like yeah like but like I mean do you think there's witches on on Donald
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Andrew WilsonTrump's side cuz like he won the 2016 election so they're probably like witches like helping him out there was a a witch day where they cast a universal binding spell you didn't know that on Trump on
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Brian AtlasTrump un if it's so effective you have to be able to counter that [ __ ] well I got I'm going to tell you there's there is is one there's like there's one counter spell that you can always do
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Andrew Wilsonthat works you can say this is all [ __ ] and that usually will counter all of it just like that this is all [ __ ] well it's a fact that there's
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Bellastrologists in the White House in the government they work there damn yeah there are people um taxes you also have to understand as well witchcraft is very tied into a lot of people of colors
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Bellculture so like very very tied there's a lot practices um more so religion is going to be wrapped into black wait so just to be clear are you saying Barack Obama won
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Bellbecause of witches no no I'm just saying there is a lot of even Supreme Court members there are people who do practice um but they're very very private about
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Andrew Wilsontheir practice and there's um a lot of different witcraft and spirituality is just an umbrella Court members do you think practice witchcraft just a few I'm not going to name them out there's a
00:13:28
Morganquote by JP morg you think so to my or do you think to my or prac for there's literally a quote by JP Morgan he says uh millionaires don't use astrology
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Andrew Wilsonbillionaires do so if they're private about it how do you know that they JP Morgan wasn't sounds like a completely fake quote by the way just saying I mean you could check it but yeah sounds like
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Bella totally fake quote that JP Morgan would say that just based off of and like he said maybe none of it is real but based off of my findings and my research um and picking up on energy work cuz that's pretty much what witchcraft is it's just a manipulation
00:14:03
Bellof energy it's just science that has not been proven yet as well too um but basically how I see it is there are some members there are some
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Bellpeople that are very high up that do have very specific spiritual practices in order to protect themselves anyways moving on um oh lastly uh your pronouns
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Bellare what um I don't really care but I she her they them I don't yeah you have it in your Instagram profile so thought it so what's a they them which warlock
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Morganhold on hold on hold on okay go ahead hi my name is Morgan my pronouns are she her um I am 31 I'm from Chicago and I'm a flight
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Bellattendant all right cool how oh how long you been doing that 10 years so from 21 to 31 yeah okay what about you I'm
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BellVanessa I'm 26 and I'm a content Creator what kind of content do you make adult like like only fans or un porn
00:15:07
Brian Atlasokay and you do let me just look at my notes Here uh b g g g BBG solo G GB yeah okay how many scenes have you shot um
00:15:19
Brian Atlaslike around 20 20 okay started in November all right what were you doing before that I was a male lady a male
00:15:28
Vanessa / Charselady for uh USPS yes okay did you go to school or anything I did uh for politics what did you got your bachelor's oh yeah I got my bachelor's
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Vanessa / Charsein political science political science okay cool what about you my name is charse I am 37 I am a business owner and am actually being hired on as a CO all right where you from Phoenix Arizona
00:15:53
TTS/Donationswhat kind of business so it's non-medical here grid One Motorsports has just tipped $200 And1 evening brain can the witch predict which of the panel
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TTS/Donationswill rage quit tonight will it be her she I feel like she is more like a TAMU witch let's Buckle in shall we going to get good she the she the T wit it's
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Brian Atlasdefinitely going to be me yeah gri one thank you man appreciate it thank you for that looks like I I made you a custom by the way I made you a little custom thing on the oh you clavius there
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TTS/Donationsdonated $200 Brian here is a tip for all the BS you deal with appreciate all you do and the hard work never argue with stupid people they will drag you down to their
00:16:41
Brian Atlaslevel and then beat you with experience W that is profound glavius III uh thank you yeah you know look it's a lot of work putting on the show show days are like 16 hour work days for me
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Brian Atlasso uh appreciate thank you for the support man and thank you everybody else who supports including grid one thank you was was he asking predictions on uh yeah I think I've got a good idea thank you're good one uh so I think were
00:17:06
Riley Risa / Charseyou asking her a question or yeah I was just asking what kind of business do you have non-m Medal Home Care oh okay cool yeah what about you hi my name
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Riley Risa / Charseis Riley Risa um I'm 22 and I'm from Florida and I'm a recording artist with touchdown records all right welcome Riley what kind of genre of music do you do um so what I have out right now now
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Riley Risa / Charseis all pop but I kind of switched over to like uh country pop leaning can we hear a couple bars or sure um okay I guess I'll sing this song isn't out yet
00:17:45
Riley Risa / Charsebut the worst Highway in Florida which is I4 so um
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Riley Risa (singing)okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're
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Riley Risa (singing)the captain of the ship wh I'm jumping over
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Riley Risa (singing)but I don't have to do anything you ask me to
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Riley Risa (singing)anymore and before I leave I'll make sure to slam the door coming soon all right cool job there you go
00:18:29
Lindsaynice all right uh what about you uh I'm Lindsay I'm from Colorado I'm 40 years old and I am a salon owner all right
00:18:41
Brian Atlaswelcome what about you uh my name is Kayla I'm also 40 and I am a restaurant manager where you from uh Baltimore Baltimore Maryland okay could I have you just tilt your mic down a little bit just like that what about you hey
00:18:54
Chrissy Clarkfriends I'm Chrissy Clark I'm the host of underreported stories it's five stories if you turn into CNN and MBC or Fox you would not hear about um I'm a turning point USA contributor 27 I live
00:19:03
Paytonin Nashville all right what about you hi my name is Payton I'm 27 I live in the Dallas Fort Worth area and I'm currently a marketing manager for a small
00:19:14
Paytonfamily-owned Winery and I'm writing my first book what's it about it's a romance novel historical romance mostly for fun and pleasure really what era Regency cuz I got mad about the
00:19:26
Andrew WilsonBridgerton thing gotcha okay Andrew yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it is to my knowledge the fastest growing debate channel uh on YouTube I'm a political
00:19:37
Brian Atlasanalyst sist and I do like to do debates occasionally for fun all right welcome everybody so we're going to go around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship
00:19:49
Brian AtlasFriends with Benefits relationship married polyle sex cold terum whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you I have a man and I'm
00:20:01
Brian Atlaslooking for a girlfriend cuz we're polyamorous okay so how long have you been in uh this relationship um we've been seeing each other since about
00:20:10
BellNovember are you looking for teu witch I don't know what a t Witch is okay maybe an Etsy witch longest
00:20:19
Andrew Wilsonrelationship um thank you JJ probably on and off 6 years on and off 6 years yeah when I was younger and then which one of you to open the relationship up or did
00:20:30
Bellboth of you both um well when he met me I was dating a girl so and then um she didn't really have a problem with it he didn't really have a problem with it me
00:20:40
Belland her ended up uh splitting off um and you're only looking for a girl yeah okay yeah I have enough of a man one's good enough for me your six-year relationship you said
00:20:51
Bellit was on again off again uh how many times was it on and off oh my gosh okay we were like either enemies or l lovers and no in between it was the most toxic [ __ ] I've ever been in my entire life we probably would talk
00:21:03
Bellto each other for about 1 to two weeks and then something bad would happen and then we would go back to being enemies and blocked and then we go again and again and again it was really toxic I
00:21:15
Brian Atlaswas young I was a teenager how many times was it on again off again 10 20 30 probably like 30 it was it was thing
00:21:24
Brian Atlasmore often than not probably him so like 90% % 70% probably 80% 80% he would end it 20% you would end it who would like
00:21:33
Brian Atlasbe the one kind of reaching back out to rekindle him always him 80% 90% 100% so he'd end it 80% of the time he'd always
00:21:41
Brian Atlaswant to come back to you he was on in off for about he said about 30 times um yeah was this the one that you cast a hex on yeah that broke his back
00:21:53
Bellyeah shout out did you cast love spell was to bring him back to you um no I wasn't I didn't practice witchcraft um when I was in a
00:22:04
Brian Atlasrelationship with him I found spirituality afterwards yeah and so is he when you say he broke his back is he like in a wheelchair or what's the what's the severity of his injury I have
00:22:15
Bellno idea I just saw the post like a GoFundMe posted by one of his friends and then um one of them reached out to me and told me and they asked me they're like did you was this him like did you
00:22:27
Brian Atlashex him and I was like I'm not going to say anything you realize how catastrophic a back injury is yeah he um I mean it's kind of interesting that you're smiling yeah you're you seem a
00:22:38
Bellbit happy that somebody's going through a substantial life I can't really talk about it because the word is going to trigger you guys but um he essayed me multiple times
00:22:51
Belland abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship so I don't feel bad if an abuser gets what's coming to them um that's actually what I see for I get Justice for victims of essay victim
00:23:02
Bellof abuse he would he agree would he say would he be would he say that he did that to you I don't think most um essers would agree to that I think most of them
00:23:12
Bellwould deny it I I don't really know of any that are proudly talk about it well I think um usually you know this just me
00:23:22
Andrew Wilsonbut if you if you were sa the way that you're talking about especially mhm I'm guessing no police reports nothing like that right no uh I was 16 I didn't know
00:23:34
Bellany better so um well there's statute limitations right mhm like you can still go later and do that can't you I don't really have proof um that's the
00:23:44
Bellsituation that's really unfortunate is most victims do not get Justice I would say an overwhelming amount of victims even when they do go through the court system because I have gone through the court system for a similar incident
00:23:56
Bellthat's happened to me they don't do anything they get any justice when you actually went no and it actually was more traumatizing
00:24:05
Riley Risa / Charsegoing through the entire event um I would say even more than being Aid being someone who's been through it I have to disagree with that well I guess he broke his back so everybody's experience is
00:24:17
Belldifferent you can't speak for one person's experience I'm disagreeing yeah that's okay okay you didn't feel like when you had to go to the hospital and went through that whole kit situation that wasn't trti with the court process
00:24:29
Vanessa / Charsewith with how it is the court is not always just about getting Justice it's also about hearing your voice and speaking and saying what happened to you and uh confronting your abuser yeah absolutely and sometimes you may not get
00:24:42
Brian Atlasthat result that you want but it's about speaking your voice so okay anyways so you dated this man for 6 years how early into your relationship was there this
00:24:52
Bellabuse um pretty early on I would say about 2 or 3 months into it was there an age Gap
00:24:59
Brian Atlasum I think he was two years older yeah so I'm a little confused here um you said the abuse started very early on
00:25:10
Bellinto the relationship but you were with him for six years mhm that's um a very very common occurrence for most abuse victims they stay with their abusive partner for a very long time uh due to
00:25:22
Belltrauma bonding it actually is becomes a severe addiction if you look into trauma bonding and the science research behind it um what it basically does to your brain is you release an insane amount of
00:25:34
Belldopamine with the love bombing phase and then when they leave you go through intense withdrawals so when you leave an abusive person you physically feel withdrawals you physically withdraw from
00:25:46
Brian Atlassaid person well we don't know too you're like always faing dop
00:25:55
Brian Atlasone one question though prior to the had you guys had contential sex um the first time we had sex I was
00:26:05
Bellblackout drunk and was he no no no was he drunk at all uh he had a little bit of alcohol yeah it was 420 I would have slept with him anyways um but him and his friends purposely got me
00:26:18
Bellbelligerently drunk um he wanted to take advantage of me it's about power it's not about the sex wait so and and is that the essay that you're referring to yeah I think
00:26:29
Brian Atlasthere was about two other times in the relationship that essay occurred but that was like the most traumatizing one I would say but you did you did have at other points in the relationship
00:26:40
Brian Atlasconsensual sex with him mhm like you were with him for six years so I'm assuming many many times you had consensual sex with him yeah okay yes and you said the the first time though
00:26:52
Bellyou were black out drunk mhm but you would have had sex with him anyway regardless yeah he didn't have to do that to me he chose to cuz it's about power and control it's not about the
00:27:04
Bellsex you said it was his friends that was it his friend all the whole we were all hanging out and they all encouraged me to drink they were all a little bit older than me um I was very very I was a
00:27:17
Bellteenager so I didn't really know what I was doing and yeah I got blackout junk they all highly encouraged it uh two of them were in the other room when it happened they knew about it didn't care
00:27:29
Brian Atlasbecause people just don't really care a lot of the time for well in in your in this group of friends or whatever were you guys like heavy partyers heavy drinkers um like was it was it common to
00:27:40
Brian Atlasdrink to this degree not to that degree no but they were drinkers smokers we were potheads all right uh okay so you're currently in a 9mon
00:27:52
Brian Atlassituationship excuse me excuse me relationship but it's sort of pully so far as you want to bring other women in
00:28:00
Morganmhm okay what about you um I'm dating uh my last relationship
00:28:08
Morganwas like 2 years ago it was 9 months um it was like my first actual relationship
00:28:16
Brian Atlasand uh how long did it last 9 months N9 months your first relationship so you've been uh you said you're dating now so but are you consider yourself single
00:28:27
Brian Atlassure yeah so you've been single for 2 years then yeah okay um but you're dating so are you currently romantically involved with
00:28:39
Morgananybody yeah multiple people sure I'm not trying to be like whatever but yeah I mean how yeah how many people are you currently
00:28:50
Morgandating that's pretty normal people when they're like a couple like and there's some that are like in and out like you know I feel like they always come back so like there's some that I'm kind of not talking to and yeah so like there's
00:29:01
Brian Atlassome that like hook up with here and there some uh so like how many are you like talking to currently probably like two three two
00:29:12
Brian Atlasor three okay there's probably only one I'm really like sleeping with uh-huh yeah and then probably or there is no there is oh okay yeah well what and what
00:29:23
Morganabout the what about the other ones just you know texting have you like gone dates or yeah um you know like Bros in different area codes right cuz you're a
00:29:34
Morganflight detective yeah so it'd be like someone I met and then you know like I won't see them for a while like I can you know but you you hooked up with
00:29:45
Morganthem sometimes yes sometimes no how many hoes and different area codes do you have like overall in my 10 years of being a flight attendant yeah I don't
00:29:56
Morgankeep track of that come on we need the we need the team I mean I can get you want to name a city and I'll tell you yes or no just a range I I don't know a
00:30:07
Andrew Wilsonnumber I really don't Phoenix yes I do Tulsa I could figure something out Phoenix Tulsa Cal not Tulsa no not Tulsa I could figure somebody out in Phoenix I think yeah
00:30:20
MorganDC don't Denver ohare I'm in Chicago I live in Chicago Denver yeah I could do oare Denver um Denver I could figure out like
00:30:31
MorganJFK JFK um maybe I I can make something work any more than
00:30:39
Morgan20 no no no I mean 10 over 10 years oh over 10 years I mean yeah I guess around there just you know I'm just living my
00:30:50
Morganlife and it's not like I don't date these people with intention it just um I'll date them and then if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out but you know I'm not about to waste something if I'm in a city and I'm single like I'll
00:31:02
Andrew Wilsongo see somebody and hang out with them sure yeah so the person that you are currently sleeping with do the other two people that you're just kind of seeing do they know about that I'm not sleeping
00:31:14
Andrew Wilsonwith them so no so they don't know about that but you are dating them I'm I'm just like talking to them texting to them talking to them yeah like the one I met he do you think do you think that it would change from their end how they
00:31:26
Andrew Wilsonwould perceive the conversation with you if they knew that you were how could it I wouldn't think that would be fair what do you mean like so the one person like cuz I'm not exclusive with
00:31:37
Morgananybody and we like kind of established that so I mean there was one person that I went on a date with that was in Chicago and he was just visiting for a
00:31:48
Morganweekend we went on a date and it was a really nice time and then I thought it was going to be over and he wanted to continue to talk to me okay um so we were texting a little bit back and forth
00:32:01
MorganI'm sorry um we were texting a little bit back and forth and like I'm kind of letting things Sizzle out with that cuz I'm not sure if I like him um but then you know I have somebody that I'm kind
00:32:11
Morganof like hooking up not kind of like I'm hooking up within Chicago um and then there's is this pretty common with flight attendants by the way yes yeah
00:32:22
Andrew Wilsonyeah okay it's just you know it's kind of how the lifestyle is how many how many flight attendant what you say practice kind of the same type of thing most of them uh I think it depends
00:32:34
Morganon the situation I once had a flight attendant that I flew with um she she had just given birth six months
00:32:44
Morganago and she wouldn't breastfeed cuz she wanted to drink and she had a we were
00:32:51
Morganflying from San Francisco to Boston and she had a Craigslist at out before we even took off uh woman seeking man and
00:33:03
Morganthere were like 300 pictures and she had a man set up before like we even took off and she hung out with him the whole layover but she had
00:33:13
Morganher baby dad at home taking care of the baby CH some mil she sure is Rip she's no longer with
00:33:21
Brian Atlasus with the airline no in the earth oh whoops um she was iconic she really
00:33:30
Morganwas iconic in the best way six-month child yeah we went outside and smoked menthol cigarettes in her uh like little two-piece night gown it was
00:33:42
Brian Atlasamazing um so are you uh do you do international flights or just domestic yes I do international flights international so I'm just what's the typical um do the
00:33:54
Brian Atlaswork weeks tend to be pretty similar or is there quite variety so you might you might go to Hawaii you'll stay there for day so like for this I picked up a Santa Anna over cuz it was the closest to
00:34:07
MorganSanta Barbara and then I rented a car and drove over here MH so um since I've been a flight attendant for 10 years I get like kind of control over my schedule 10 years is still pretty Junior
00:34:17
Morganat my Airline um just cuz it's like a legacy carrier but um they like I can you kind kind of just like you bid for a
00:34:29
Morganschedule every month and then you can trade and all kinds of stuff so are you like in like the pineapple lifestyle sort of that's a like Hawaii no that's called the pineapple
00:34:40
MorganMafia That's all the people oh pineapple like swingers yeah no I mean I don't I'm not opposed to anything like I live my life like you're not a unicorn out there no no no no I I don't even know what I'm
00:34:52
Morgandoing tomorrow that's just always how I've wanted to live my life and I really enjoy it so what's the average work week hours wise um so we don't get paid when
00:35:03
Morganwe're on the ground we only get paid like in flight hours uh so I average about like 80 to 90 hours a month but
00:35:12
Morganthat doesn't include like time on the ground it's really difficult to um explain it I could but we'd be here for a
00:35:21
Brian Atlaswhile um couple questions here related to this so uh your home base is Chicago yes okay how often are you in Chicago um
00:35:33
Morganpretty often I like to do turns so I go out and come back every night this is the first like layover I've done in a long time okay so you're back in Chicago every day pretty much pretty much yeah
00:35:45
Brian Atlasokay I see okay um and then when it comes to the like the hose and different area codes like will you knowing that you'll only be in
00:35:56
Brian Atlasthe city for a couple hours or maybe just overnight or whatever will you or like other flight attendants be on dating apps I mean I
00:36:07
Brian Atlasknow you mentioned your girl she was on Craigslist trying to set things up before even being there is that pretty common with the female flight attendants they're trying to set something up just
00:36:18
Morganfor like a short-term thing while they're in the city it was it is like you know when you're younger I think a lot of you know women do end up wanting like a marriage or you know some a
00:36:30
Morgansteady partner so yeah let's say when they're starting their career yeah yeah that's pretty normal like a lot of my classmates like my flight attendant classmates they were always on the dating apps I lived in an apartment in
00:36:42
Brian AtlasSan Francisco with 13 other flight attendants and like a two-bedroom apartment it was like a everybody was on Tinder everything so so I don't know if you've seen this I mean I know you've seen the show before a little bit but I
00:36:54
Brian Atlasactually warned men not to date flight attendance yeah offense no offense or anything but it's a massive red flag precisely because you're constantly traveling uh you're in a new city like multiple I mean there needs to
00:37:07
Brian Atlasbe trust or you just don't do the flight attendant sure I mean the flight benefits are pretty nice though yeah if you don't like mind
00:37:18
Morganknowing that she's like slept with half the country know that I do not half the country literally but in in half the country she slept in half the the well I mean it's like dudes in half the country
00:37:30
Brian Atlasmean that's not necessarily true but isn't it hard to like if you're gone a lot wouldn't that contribute contribute to making it difficult to develop a long-term monogamous
00:37:43
Brian Atlasrelationship if you're gone all the time yeah if all men have the mentality you do well assum let's assume they don't isn't it the case that if you travel frequently for work it makes it harder to have a long-term relationship um not
00:37:55
Morganif you make it a priority like I'm home every night in Chicago now okay but you've been doing this for 10 years was that the case even at the beginning no was not the case in the beginning right so for how many years
00:38:07
Morganwas it not not the case for a while and some of that has to do with seniority right right but like I mean I knew that I wanted a job where potentially I could you know have a marriage and kids and be
00:38:19
Morganpart-time but also have a career cuz eventually you know I'm I'm 31 now so if I decide I want to get married and have kids I can basically drop my schedule to
00:38:29
Morgannothing but still have complete health care and like have all of that plus complete like free travel benefits for me and my family so I mean even if I've
00:38:39
Morganslept with half the country that's a pretty sweet deal for the husbands yeah don't you think for you to work a part-time job no
00:38:50
Morganfor me to not work at all you get health care and you and your whole entire family travel for free when you say don't work at all what I don't I don't have to work if I don't want to the only
00:39:01
Brian Atlasreason I work is because I have bills to pay like if if the if the husband was the bread winner wait wait just one clarification so you're saying at 31 for the rest of your life you can just stop working and they will continue to pay
00:39:14
Morganyour health insurance for the rest of your life I mean I would have to pay like I would have to pay the whatever I pay for health insurance like however many dollars a month and like I'd work a trip or two just to like stay current
00:39:25
Morganand I'd have to go to a current training but no right now I don't have to the only reason I go to work is to make money to pay my bills I'm just a little
00:39:35
Brian Atlasconfused about it's that flexible of a job well I'm I know airlines operate on shoestring budgets right so I'm finding it a little dubious that they would keep someone
00:39:47
Brian Atlason give them free flights that they would give them free flights stand give them free that that you would get free flights and health insurance for your
00:39:58
Brian Atlasspouse for you and your children if you only did one flight a month I just don't see the numbers I could be wrong I have no idea about the a p for those I mean you pay for those things and you pay your dues I've paid my dues so you're in
00:40:10
Andrew Wilsona union yes sir yeah yes sir I am yeah so that's the that's the key if she's in a union that's more than possible yes I am in a
00:40:21
Brian Atlasunion and I also have a p you just work one you do one flight a month dep on your union contract man okay well I I don't know the details you have a Union contract he can say anything he wanted
00:40:32
Brian Atlasto say a union and a pension and everything it's it's pretty nice so okay a couple questions a couple questions here so um how many in the first year you worked like how many different
00:40:43
Morganflights do you think you did I could not even come close to telling you well over 200 300 400 not even an idea like it's
00:40:54
Morganthat's it's that crazy of a number right but you must know above this no I no it's it's I was on reserve they were 50
00:41:03
Brian Atlasno it wasn't below so above 100 200 I don't I I like I'm not I'm not trying to be a jerk but I really could tell you so in for the average flight attendant in a
00:41:15
Morgangiven year how many flights is she going to do I was literally just in a lawsuit where they were asking me the same question and I could not answer it so I I really cannot answer it it's I don't don't know
00:41:28
Morganit's because it's different because sometimes you take vacation sometimes you're on a Lea or whatever it's it's different all the time okay well um how many different cities in the US do you think you've been to probably most of
00:41:41
Brian Atlasthem do you think you've been in every single state no Most states most of them yes okay um I'm just trying to look how many flights a year flight attendant
00:41:53
Brian Atlasyeah see if you could find it how many hours uh flight attendants can work oh
00:42:00
Brian Atlaswait 65 to 85 flight hours per month um I'm not there's nothing that's immediately coming up but I mean so you
00:42:11
Brian Atlashave to think about over the course of a career or even the first few years if they're in a new city every night and they're on Tinder I have to assume that they're like it's fair to say thousands
00:42:20
Morganat least right thousands of flight flight flights sure okay yeah and then but sometimes you're so like they're not hooking up with people every no of
00:42:31
Brian Atlascourse not but it happen the opportunity is there the opportunity is there but it's not something that's like I would say
00:42:40
Andrew Wilsonit's more not than off D but so I mean compared to a woman who one times out of a 100 layovers well right but well you just looking at risk assessment so if
00:42:53
Andrew Wilsonyou look at risk assessment you would agree with me risk for what well I'll explain so if you had a husband who's a traveling salesman his opportunity probably would drastically increase to
00:43:03
Andrew Wilsonstep out without you knowing about it sure right so if that is the case if you present uh if you're presented with opportunity over and over again let's
00:43:13
Andrew Wilsonsay you know you're on a a a diet against sweets but your whole house is packed with sweets right whenever that you see the opportunity right it's much easier for you to grab something and eat
00:43:26
Andrew Wilsonit that that you're not supposed to eat just because it's available same thing with like alcohol right if you have a house full of alcohol and you were somebody you didn't want to drink alcohol your chances would necessarily increase that you would probably grab
00:43:39
Andrew Wilsonthe alcohol at some point so the thing is it's just like with a traveling salesman what Brian's saying it's not it's not saying that all all flight attendants would do this any more than all traveling salesmen would but just
00:43:50
Morganthat the the risk assessment would necessarily go up I guess that doesn't make sense to me cuz my dad is a traveling salesman so yeah so your dad probably would never step out in a million years no but that really doesn't
00:44:03
Andrew Wilsonmatter it's just like saying there's tons of people who would have the self-control and the will not to eat the sweets or drink the booze or whatever right but just the fact that it's there opens up opportunity that normally would
00:44:14
Morgannot be there and so it increases the risk of doing next and I've dated plenty of men that aren't like in the airline industry and have still cheated on me like I feel like the the Factor's always
00:44:25
Andrew Wilsonthere yeah yeah yeah but I'm just saying that the risk would be higher in some occupations you think the reward would be higher what do you mean like with
00:44:36
Andrew Wilsonlike I mean I I would think my value as a spouse would be higher oh yeah yeah well sure I mean depending on your occupation your value could be yeah yeah
00:44:45
Andrew Wilsonof course but specifically when we're just talking about the idea of why would it be a red flag to date a flight attendant it might be the same same reason it would be maybe a red flag to
00:44:57
Andrew Wilsondate a traveling salesman sure because it just increases the opportunity for the amount of EX people you could meet so it increases the potential that that would sure but everybody has red flags yeah but but but it's like a tier
00:45:10
Andrew Wilsonright so there going to be some red flags that are worse than others like for instance if I came if I if I went on a date with a woman and said yeah I just got out of the mental hospital yesterday and I'm admitted monthly wouldn't that
00:45:20
Andrew Wilsonbe a higher red flag than uh oh I recovered from alcohol 20 years ago and haven't touched it I mean I don't know if that's I think it
00:45:31
Andrew Wilsondepends because you can relapse from alcohol any time you could but I mean yes you could relapse but if you if you recovered let's say 10 years ago or 20 years ago it's showing a sign that your
00:45:43
Andrew Wilsonchance of you relapsing are very low you just got out of a mental hospital yesterday right it's not showing that the chances of you being re admitted or very low right I mean I like to meet people where they're at so I don't know
00:45:56
Morganif I would I I would make that assessment but um yeah but it's reasonable to make that assessment right yeah that's that's all he's saying but like is flight attendant
00:46:05
Andrew Wilsonreally that big of a deal like is that that red flag of a career yeah I think I think from a man's standpoint yeah that
00:46:16
Andrew Wilsonif you have women who are traveling often uh away from the man or the family unit or things like that that yeah that would be a big problem but like I'm home
00:46:25
Andrew Wilsonevery night well well now you are you are now yeah so but but if you weren't then that would be different yeah that would be different oh okay right and this was a thing too like when
00:46:36
Andrew Wilsondid you start going back every single night just maybe last year recently yeah I mean now that I'm like you know not in my 20s anymore like I'm ready to be an adult yeah sure so so there's people who do Long Haul Trucking same thing they're home every night right they do the same
00:46:49
Andrew Wilsonroute every day they're home every night I think that that but what's the point of that right it also mitigates opportunity oh yeah and you got to be careful with those Trucking guys they like the lot lizards what's a
00:47:00
Bellwhat the lot lizards is that is that like a gay joke no no no no it's not a gay joke hang out like truck stops and sleep with trucks
00:47:11
Brian Atlaswait just to be clear so you object to this sort of bias against flight attendants but you also have a corresponding bias against truck
00:47:23
Morgandrivers that was definitely a joke but I mean I don't oh not have the bias against flight attendance hang on but it's a joke based on a stereotype sure I made a joke about flight attendance I said the same thing that I no I listen I
00:47:35
Andrew Wilsonagree with I'm saying the joke itself exists based on The Stereotype just like the joke about flight flight attendant being promiscuous The Stereotype ex say Bros in different area Coast I made a
00:47:45
Brian Atlasjoke about myself too yeah um and you said something though well wouldn't the value due to me being a flight attendant offset
00:47:58
Brian Atlasthese concerns about me not being as available to spend time with a partner or perhaps risks of infidelity or past promiscuity uh could you just clarify
00:48:08
Morganwhat you mean by this value I'm a little confused I mean I feel like um I feel like if we're doing a risk assessment it's like isn't there always like a pro
00:48:19
Morganversus a con that's that's kind of what I was thinking that you were talking about so I was like well if there's a risk kind of have to weigh it against a reward so I was saying like but the
00:48:31
Brian Atlasreward what's the reward I mean I I thought I already explained all that well so okay the all the perks and benefits the health insurance for spouse and
00:48:42
Morganchild yeah and then um flights travel flights mhm and then I I mean I could stay and then health insurance and I could stay home and be like a full-time
00:48:52
Brian Atlasparent while still having a job um I'm not sure if free flights and health
00:49:03
Brian Atlasinsurance ju opposed to Pro promiscuous past chance of promiscuous past higher risk of infidelity I don't think those are going to
00:49:15
Brian Atlasoutweigh the uh and also men typically don't really prioritize a female's career well I guess we wouldn't be a match Brian I'm not trying to date you I'm just speaking
00:49:26
Brian Atlasin generalities I don't do you speak for all men yeah most men I'd say don't really don't really prioritize in terms of what they find attractive you wouldn't prioritize a woman's career she
00:49:38
Brian Atlaspaid your entire healthc care so you wouldn't have to go on your own well I can get into that but so yes I would generalize generally speaking men in terms of you making yourself more
00:49:49
Brian Atlasattractive to men your career is not really going to be a major factor in terms of his traveling the world for free isn't a factor not really no not really no that
00:50:01
Morgandoesn't sound fun to you then we definitely would not be a match it's about I'm speaking no but like if you want to travel with your partner like wouldn't that be something you would want to do like sure yeah traveling's nice but you don't have to be a flight
00:50:14
Andrew Wilsonattendant to travel no but to travel for free like you would get to go more places so so when you're talking about um so I agree with you yeah find some common ground here so I agree with one point and then I'm going to kind of
00:50:26
Andrew Wilsondisagree with a different one sure so the point I'll find common ground with you on is yeah I think that everything's a given trade in a relationship so I think you're right yeah that you could look at it and say there there's a lot
00:50:37
Andrew Wilsonof perks right uh which outweigh these kind of these non-beneficial things right but I would also argue that kind of the biggest the biggest thing that
00:50:50
Andrew Wilsonnobody wants in their relationship is infidelity that that is the big one right more than any other type so if you're weighing anything against that that's almost always going to win right
00:51:01
Andrew Wilsonsure so then if the thing that you're doing increases the risk of this big thing which is the infidelity then you can understand why men would see that as something to stay clear of sure I think
00:51:13
Morganthat's kind of like a worst case scenario so I mean you know for me it would just be then if that's something that's important to them and they're not willing to give me a shot then they're
00:51:24
Riley Risa / Charsenot my type of person yeah that's perect yeah well how would you feel if like the woman's unemployed altogether like it's that bad too no men don't give a [ __ ] all right fair enough they don't usually
00:51:36
Andrew Wilsoncare if women are unemployed it's not a big deal to them usually I really don't know that's how all men feel I'm not I'm not I'm not going to put anything in a monolith and say all
00:51:49
Andrew Wilsonbut well when you sit here and say men don't give a [ __ ] well so when I say men I am speaking in generality but I'm not saying all I would never say all to anything never put anything in a monolith and say this always applies to everybody everywhere because there's no
00:52:01
Andrew Wilsonpossible way to do that so we're say but we we but human beings do speak in horis STS and so when I say things like hand me all of that stuff over there right I'm not saying to hand me everything in
00:52:12
Andrew Wilsonthe world right I'm just saying hand me all of whatever it is that you think it is that I want all of these cups versus all the men in the world is a very
00:52:21
Morgandifferent all of which cups saying like no but like all of these cups are ptic about I'm just I'm just explaining yeah but like want
00:52:31
Andrew Wilsonto the explanation of theistic so I'm just saying the explanation of my horis when I say all right and I didn't even say all but when I say men I'm not saying every man I'm just saying men in
00:52:43
Andrew Wilsongeneral so you would probably find this trait more common in men than not in men here's an here here let me give you an example okay men have balls now that's not all men there are some men who have
00:52:56
Andrew Wilsonno balls you and I would agree that that is true but when I say men have balls is there any confusion about what I'm talking about I can hold on I can give a much I would like an answer to the question though is it really is anybody really
00:53:10
Morganconfused about what I'm talking about when I say men have balls sure but I feel like you're breaking down way what we were talking about a long time ago to men have balls you don't for all men because men have
00:53:22
Andrew Wilsonballs do I speak for all men when I say men have balls you said men don't give a [ __ ] how does that equ to I'm saying I'm saying in general if you look at what
00:53:32
Andrew Wilsoncreating ay here what men report as being preferential what's the fallacy o I have all my fallacies written down we can look it up tell me which one which fallacy see ooh maybe it's slippery
00:53:45
Andrew Wilsonslope so like if no that wouldn't be the slippery slope fallacy H you do you know the slippery slope fallacy is uh well thing bad is bad because
00:53:57
Morganyeah that's that's not that's not the slippery slope yeah I don't know if it's quite straw man yet I know you like that one a lot though I don't definitely not a straw man no not yet we might get there though I'll let you know when you and if you feel like I'm straw Manning
00:54:10
Andrew Wilsonyou you just ask me to steal man your position and then that way you know for sure that I'm not strawmanning yeah so anyway so when I so I'm clarifying the use of my language so when I say all I'm just speaking in generality I'm not
00:54:23
Andrew Wilsonactually putting everything in a monolith okay okay I'm not saying every single man on planet Earth is suppli St so for me so I understand better how how many men are you speaking for well so
00:54:34
Andrew Wilsongeneral just over 51% would be General right okay and how did you get those numbers so I would look at this from the operation of reports what men report as preferences and don't rep prer well we
00:54:46
Andrew Wilsonget them from a variety of places sometimes you got to let me answer the question before you shotgun the next one look in your list of fallacies and read what Gish Gallop means I don't have Gish Gallop oh well that's what you're doing when you shotgun so many questions that
00:54:59
Andrew WilsonI can't actually answer them you're Gish Galloping you should write that fallacy down sure I will take my course by the way on fallacies never take your course take it on fallacies I would never take your course so anyway you get these
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Andrew Wilsonthings from a variety of places uh one place that we get a lot of these things from is Pew research Pew research Dives in especially to dating quite a bit and we can pull these things up so what you would be looking for for data like this
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Andrew Wilsonmen don't give a [ __ ] about if women are working or not you can look at the financial status of preferences that men are reporting in the in the financial brackets of what they prefer to date and it turns out they don't really have a
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Andrew Wilsonton of preferences there but women do so that's so we can kind of ascertain here in a general sense that men don't really care that much about women's Financial
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Andrew Wilsonkind of like a hasty generalization no no it's not a hasty generalization no no nope no okay that's a literal that that's a literal explanation
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Andrew Wilsonfor why it is I'm saying what I'm saying be the opposite of a hasty generation a plus b doesn't equal c not to me I don't think like that well no this isn't an first of all this isn't a plus b equals