EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
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04:44:13
Brian Atlasthing though is that typically I don't think men are going to do this game where they're going to so they're going to do I don't think men are going to do
04:44:21
Brian Atlasthis test so it's like they're going to do a test where they're going to attempt to sleep with you and if you do sleep
04:44:31
Brian Atlaswith him you have failed the test and had you not slept with him he would have otherwise pursued you for a serious and long-term relationship ship
04:44:42
Brian AtlasI don't know if that's like a thing a guy would do is to employ a test that would be initial I don't think they're like purposely doing that but like just
04:44:55
Andrew Wilsonguys have told me that I don't know can protect yourself a lot better isn't this like the idea of Conquest isn't the idea like uh I'm just going to go get another notch in the old belt and
04:45:06
Andrew Wilsonit's not to pursue and is fight like they'll lie about it right but it's yeah I want I want to have a a long-term relationship with you baby I promise
04:45:16
Bellyeah but they're less lik to live five dat I promise honey I really do love you and then and then they just like ghost you never talk to you again but they're likely not going to be definitely happen it definitely happens but I would say
04:45:29
Belllike what you're doing makes a lot of sense because of guys who have the intentions of just sleeping with a woman are often times not going to go on five dates with the same woman they're often times going to want to seal the deal I
04:45:41
Andrew Wilsondon't know that runs contrary to a lot of the stories I've heard from the women here where they're like one one chick was like the guy went after her for a year and then the second second he got
04:45:52
Andrew Wilsonit he was out just like that dang and it's like I don't know so I don't know I think that's like the that's like an anomaly me and Brian have some disagreements in this Arena right which
04:46:02
Andrew Wilsonwhich is good but I would say that a really big indicator and I think most men would agree with me and most women that a big indic indicator female promiscuity if she sleeps with you
04:46:13
Brian Atlasimmediately the first night probably a pretty good indicator but I mean we have an example right here she was a low body count I just want to point that out but she was a virgin her body count was
04:46:25
Andrew WilsonZero she SLE guy she slept with a guy within they knew each other for few hours but it was a marker of promiscuity so here let me let me let me kind of like throw this back it actually was a
04:46:34
Andrew Wilsonmarker promiscuity because she said after he uh slept with her she went in a fade a promiscuous phase right where you slept with multiple men that's what said
04:46:44
Andrew Wilsonbecause of that yeah but it was a sign how would that not be a sign of that wouldn't that be a sign of that like if she was willing to sleep with him so quickly and then as soon as that was
04:46:57
Brian Atlasdone she slept with multiple other men after that it was more wait wait let me let me challenge Andrew on this all right okay but so in we have to look at
04:47:07
Brian Atlasthis timeline wise yes she did go ahead and afterwards there was a string of what sounds like one night stands in that specific moment though when she had
04:47:17
Brian Atlasjust lost her virginity had she I mean I mean time moves in One Direction so she didn't like that happened after the fact
04:47:28
Andrew Wilsonso if you're first to arrive and then assume it developed into a long-term relationship for example it's not clear to me if yeah okay that's fair I understand what
04:47:38
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying let me counter though by saying okay you're guy too okay and you go in and she tells you this story okay and then sleeps with you the first
04:47:49
Andrew Wilsonnight you think she's promiscuous or not wait tells me tells this story how The Virginity is gone mhm sleeps with you that same night would you would you gauge this as being a woman who likely
04:48:01
Andrew Wilsonis going to be promiscuous going down the road or less promiscuous going down the road and she's already done it you're guy now you're guy too you're guy too would be promiscuous down the road yeah would you take it as a sign she's
04:48:14
Andrew Wilsongoing to be more or less promiscuous if after this happens with this guy she sleeps with you immediately first night also or would you take it as a sign that she's going she made a mistake and it's
04:48:24
Riley Risa / Charsegoing to be chased now H that was what I meant when I said I F the question around go yeah like I said this I this is not how I act anymore I was 17 during this yeah I'm
04:48:37
Andrew Wilsonsorry we're talking about you like you're not here we're totally having a sub argument and just using you as the focal point I'm sorry about that but it's because we're trying to rationalize it that's all I don't
04:48:52
Brian Atlasuh it it would I mean certainly it is a bit more promiscuous than if I was the first one if I'm number two and I'm
04:49:02
Andrew Wilsonhearing the story losing your virginity in the within U hours of meeting yeah I'm just there would be a number two without
04:49:14
Andrew Wilsonnumber one right cuz otherwise you're number one right so why would it feel more per mirculous with number one so I'm just
04:49:23
Andrew Wilsonsaying it's it still would be a sign I think of promiscuity even if a virgin gives it up within you know 6 hours or whatever that would be still a sign to
04:49:34
Brian Atlasme of promiscuity he yes before that not promiscuous But but so if would it would it be a of promiscuity if she did sleep with the F the first man she ever sleeps
04:49:45
Brian Atlaswith relatively quickly but they actually ended up in a long-term relationship and married for examp that wouldn't be a sign of promiscuity then no okay but if there's a guy to I think that guy to
04:49:58
Andrew Wilsonwould objectively say so guy two establishes the promiscuity if she sleeps with him quickly I think the fact that or you give up the the The Virginity at 17 in 8 hours already establishes an idea were talking for
04:50:11
Andrew Wilsonlike a week okay okay you're talking for a week I'm saying in person in person in person I still think that that would be a big red flag to any gu to that this
04:50:21
Andrew Wilsonwould be a sign of promiscuous Behavior going forward so you would say not to date the woman or simply it would just be I would say if I would say that any reasonable man I wouldn't I don't know
04:50:32
Andrew Wilsonthat I would say not to date her but I'm saying I think any reasonable man who's guu sleeps with her within a couple of hours let's say this all hypothetical get I'm sorry but
04:50:43
Andrew Wilsonso a couple after a couple hours right sure I think that he would definitely if he heard that story go okay this chick she's you know what I mean she gives it up real quick to a guy I think that they
04:50:55
Vanessa / Charsewould establish promiscuity from that yeah he would hit it and quit it why the double standard though too because we value different things but but why not a woman view the the man as same I don't
04:51:07
Andrew Wilsonknow well I do know why women don't view it that way so this why not what like I mean why shouldn't it be a red flag for us as well because well it I think it should
04:51:19
Andrew Wilsonbe I think that I think it should bead a red flag for women if you have a promiscuous man but it's not in fact what I hear is the story of if other women don't desire him and he's not
04:51:32
Andrew Wilsonsleeping around I'm less attracted to him than if more women desire him then I'm more attracted to him that's what I hear more than anything yeah for men I hear the exact opposite thing if she's
04:51:43
Andrew Wilsonout there sleeping around I'm totally revolted by it and so it seems like I there is a standard and I don't know why but I do agree with yeah I tend to AG I tend to agree with you that promiscuity
04:51:54
Lindsayin men and women bad totally against my religion I think in like the men aspect of it it comes down to like spreading your seed right like virtuous I think you can make a
04:52:05
Andrew Wilsongood evolutionary argument for this yes and that the reason that men are tend to stay somewhat revolted by promiscuous women is because of paternal
04:52:15
Andrew Wilsonestablishment correct so they think if you're only sleeping with me your babies are going to be mine and I know that for sure right and so I can understand uh now I have a different world view than
04:52:26
Andrew Wilsonthat but I think that it's plenty acceptable for most people to at least be able to rationalize this this way yeah we all get our period sinking so we can all get pregnant at the same time wait coming back to this Andrew okay
04:52:39
Brian Atlascoming back to this so uh yeah spread them seeds well so if I can just play a comparison here because I think this sort of stemmed
04:52:50
Brian Atlasfrom my qualms about well you lose your virginity relatively quickly but now you have this new standard of I'm going to wait five dates for new guys but I would I would feel
04:53:02
Brian Atlasthe type of way as a guy if I knew that she lost her virginity but now she's making me wait 5 days I'm not telling people that like well I guess I just I don't go on a date with the guy and be
04:53:13
Brian Atlaslike hey guess what happens then there this guy you've been despite seeing him for a year you guys aren't boyfriend girlfriend yet it's not clear to me if there's a component of monogamy uh
04:53:25
Riley Risa / Charsethat's not I I if he asked me to be his girlfriend I would have you asked him no I'm scared that's I mean that should be on you to be H are you guys monogamous um I mean I'm pretty sure
04:53:37
Vanessa / Charsehe's seeing other people oh you're tolerating the P situation kind of yeah I mean so he's getting his take and eating it too so you're not making you're not giving him that ultimatum of
04:53:50
Riley Risa / Charsehey either like we're doing this or we're not you're allowing him to have Best of Both Worlds kind it's kind of more like a friends with benefits like I also enjoy his company as a friend and honestly we spend more time hanging out
04:54:02
Brian Atlasas friends rather than but you've never brought up like you don't have any qualms with him sleeping with other women it doesn't bother you um I've like not seriously no like when he like
04:54:13
Riley Risa / Charsebrings up another girl I like roll my eyes and I'd be like H whatever don't talk about that so but if I understand this correctly if I it does yeah it does but then again I'm but you won't give him
04:54:26
Brian Atlasthat I like him I think I understand exactly I know that hang on hang on I think I understand the situation a little bit so while this is an undesirable situation
04:54:38
Brian Atlasfor you to be in you you like him to the point you like him enough that you are going to tolerate this undesirable Behavior because having
04:54:49
Brian Atlashim in your life is uh more beneficial or more valuable to you than you losing him despite having this undesirable
04:55:00
Riley Risa / Charsecomponent um you're too far from the mic I just I don't do good like when things are awkward so I don't want like he's he's also a good friend of mine so I
04:55:12
Riley Risa / Charsedon't want to ruin our friendship by Sleeping with him well I think that that bus has has uh has left the Depot right I don't want to like cuz I know if I
04:55:23
Riley Risa / Charsetell him like that's how I feel then he um it's going to be like awkward if he says no but I still want to be his friend like cuz I enjoy his company MH
04:55:34
Riley Risa / Charseso um I know that that's like kind of my own fault and like I'm try I've been trying to get better about that when leaving when the situation is like not beneficial to me um so I'm aware of it
04:55:47
Andrew Wilsonit's just a matter of I need this situation is completely not beneficial to you and perform I know I mean yeah I know so a couple things so are you you
04:55:58
Brian Atlassaid at one point you did see another guy yes and he he knew about that was he fine with it yes [ __ ] um no he's not
04:56:11
Brian Atlasuh so he not he just doesn't give a [ __ ] right he just doesn't think Hees care yeah well I think you need to like take that
04:56:22
Andrew Wilsonat face value like what's happening to you he you know to Bri to Brian's point I would actually like to hear an answer to this question because Brian he he basically stalemates the board with this
04:56:35
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] pisses me off because I don't have a great I don't have a great answer to it right I don't feel like it's a Checkmate but it's a stalemate so Ryan
04:56:44
Andrew Wilsonsays this and this makes sense to me okay so in your early years before you got to me you were sleeping with everything that was around and now you get to me and say I really really like
04:56:56
Andrew Wilsonyou and hated all those guys but you have to wait from the perspective of the man that's pretty brutal right that's a
04:57:04
Andrew Wilsonpretty brutal thing to say it's like you wait you like me but I have to wait to experience this but these other guys you didn't like didn't have to wait can make
04:57:15
Andrew Wilsonthat make sense right and I actually haven't heard a great answer yet I for this I feel
04:57:25
Vanessa / Charselike a woman would be trying to do that to try to create value for herself in his eyes if she had done this before but is like trying to change her ways and
04:57:35
Vanessa / Charseshow this to him that he would value her more and be more likely to date her rather than oh I can just hit it and quit it tonight and never talk to her again because maybe she's really into Brian and really wants him to Value her
04:57:48
Brian Atlasand see the worth in her so she's trying to to change her way in that way and have him value her that way I I don't think a Woman by withholding
04:57:58
Brian Atlassex uh has ever negotiated her way into a long-term relationship by simple virtue of her withholding sex
04:58:10
Brian Atlasbecause I think what would either happen is that if he's interested in you and he wants to he'd be inclined to have a relationship with you it's not clear to me if having sex with him will prevent
04:58:22
Brian Atlashim from still wanting to pursue a relationship with you I mean that's will but then wouldn't it just be a manipulation tactic could be so isn't it a false but this is this is where he
04:58:35
Andrew Wilsonstalemates it and why it pisses me off because of that answer right so that answer is what it creates value for me in his eyes right okay but if it didn't if that didn't would you still sleep
04:58:47
Bellwith him the first night and the answer is well yeah it's like so then aren't you faking virtue and that that is when and that's when when Brian says she doesn't want to
04:58:59
Andrew Wilsonsleep with him on the first finish let finish but hang on hang on so what Brian says here right as frustrating as it is because I don't have the great response
04:59:09
Andrew Wilsonto this how is that not faking virtue if she or and so remember the entailment here is I do this to create value for me in your eyes but if that doesn't create
04:59:21
Andrew Wilsonvalue in my eyes but instead sleeping with you creates that value would you do that the answer would have to be yes because that's what you're creating the value for right and he says well then
04:59:33
Bellyou're faking virtue and it's like I don't know how to get around that exactly that's a good point it's a good point like her level of comfort also makes sense though that she's not going to want to sleep with
04:59:44
Bellsomeone after first day after what she's been given the experience she was given yeah I'm not I'm not even disagreeing that that's true or not knowing what his
04:59:54
Riley Risa / CharseI'm not disagreeing with this at all com set a time limit where I tell them like I'm not sleeping with you till we go on five dates I purposely don't on the
05:00:04
Andrew Wilsonfirst date and like if it feels right I not on the first date but like if it I don't put a time limit on it is basically what I'm saying well listen I understand because you what you guys are doing is you're kind of you're
05:00:16
Andrew Wilsonindividualizing this which is fine right you can individualize it maybe their preference isn't this I agree with you right but if it is that you I'm making you wait not because I wouldn't sleep
05:00:27
Andrew Wilsonwith you if I thought that that created the value but instead of making you wait cuz I think it creates value to you for me that I don't do this then I don't see how an entailment of that isn't I'm
05:00:39
Chrissy Clarkfaking virtue I just I I can't see how to rational it can you the only thing that makes me think the only way I can rationalize it a little bit and I don't even think I agree with it I'm just trying to like put put the pieces
05:00:51
Chrissy Clarktogether in my brain is if you are going out with the intent to prove The Virtue to yourself and not the man you're going out there to prove it but isn't that cope I no I totally cope that's what I'm saying I the only way I can rationalize
05:01:03
Chrissy Clarkit in my head is like you have I don't know some come to Jesus moment and you realize this is how you're going to rationalize it to yourself moving forward but I think Brian's got us there yeah it's a it's a it's a bad one it
05:01:14
Andrew Wilsondoesn't it does so I'm going to destroy this argument not today but but I will it is a stalemate because it's true right if the if the answer is I would do
05:01:26
Andrew Wilsonthis if I thought this was more pleasing instead I'm doing this because I think to him it creates more value he sees me differently then if we took that out of the equation I don't see how it's not
05:01:34
Vanessa / Charsefaking virtue but this this also has to be is
05:01:42
Riley Risa / Charseunsure I'm also do like I'm also doing it to like not get myself hurt because
05:01:51
Riley Risa / Charsefor me when I do sleep with someone um I normally get feelings for them so like waiting will help me like see if this
05:02:02
Brian Atlasperson is someone I actually really do want a date but so here here's where it gets complicated right so this whole waiting for sex thing becomes a bit more
05:02:13
Brian Atlasbelievable when a woman has a track track record of upholding it but you said that so this guy who you've currently been seeing you made him wait five dates if I recall probably about I didn't like say five dates but that's
05:02:26
Brian Atlaswhat happen estimating yeah okay but then in between that you said there was one guy who you had a you hooked up with immediately yeah so it's not it's not an
05:02:37
Bellactual value you hold it's just sort of this arbitrary can't her values change couldn't she have had a different value snip snap snip snap back and forth so day sound like a snip stap it sounds like she had a bad experience no no no
05:02:50
Brian Atlasbut hold on hold on so this is this is the timeline here and I don't know the full timeline because I don't know all the uh people you've dated lost your virginity
05:03:01
Brian Atlasquickly wait it made then made this guy wait five dates and then was a long relationship but further fur Okay I know I'm excluding things then further along
05:03:10
Brian Atlasin the timeline you've you reverted back to sleeping with somebody quickly so that is a Back in Forth lost her virginity easily made this guy wait five
05:03:21
Riley Risa / Charsedays MH one night stand one night stand or whatever it was yeah and that's definitely like that's a flip-flop it it is and I've been trying to better myself
05:03:31
Riley Risa / Charsein that way because I don't want to just give it up on the first date so like I've been actively working on it I want to have that value but sometimes like my self-esteem gets low and a lot of the
05:03:43
Riley Risa / Charsetimes like it when I have sex with somebody it brings it up for some reason I can't say exactly why but that's just how it is I know that that's not necessarily a healthy way of
05:03:55
Brian Atlasthinking which is why I'm actively trying to change it well so here's kind of I guess the perspective that I'm trying to get at so if I can sort of flip the script a little bit this would be like a guy saying when
05:04:07
Brian Atlasit comes to like okay the you have C casual sex with these guys in your past and then the guy who you actually want a relationship with you make him wait be
05:04:17
Brian Atlaslike me saying you don't understand those women were just for hookups so of course I have notes on this I'm going to be reading off the notes of course I
05:04:28
Brian Atlasbrought I bought them expensive stuff I took them to the best dining places I even paid their bills but you're different from them I actually see you as a potential girlfriend wife so you have to wait for those benefits so we
05:04:41
Riley Risa / Charseshould go out to McDonald's and you should pay by the way um once again I'm not purposely making them wait are you just going on
05:04:51
Riley Risa / Charsewith yeah no I understand the point as well and I'm trying to explain myself like that's crazy my values have changed
05:05:00
Brian Atlassince that time so yeah that's all no I think got on that did you have something on this it's sounded like you had
05:05:10
Bellsomething on this you me yeah healing is not a linear process so it makes sense that she has to take steps back to take steps forward cuz you said we were talking about the flip-flops but it's a
05:05:21
Bellvery very common occurrence when someone is changing their moral view that they're going to fall back on it sure and they're going to change right and that's okay that's part of growth yeah
05:05:32
Brian Atlasthat's cool for her but I'm trying to explain the male perspective and why a guy might view this as [ __ ] or frustrating does that make sense she can
05:05:42
Belldo whatever she wants I think of a guy do whatever she trly genuinely values you and wants to be with you then he will be willing to wait I don't think a man that is unwilling to wait I think
05:05:54
Brian Atlasthat says a lot about who they are as a person a lot more than the woman I I think a woman who truly likes you even though she knows that you treated every single girl prior to her that you've
05:06:06
Brian Atlasbeen with whether it was long-term relationship or maybe we can even exclude long-term relationships and she knows that you've had you know some casual hookups one night stands and you would you would pay
05:06:18
Brian Atlasfor the date for the Casual hookups you would bring them on trips you would do all these things you would provide you would protect but now that all of a sudden he uh he really likes you and you
05:06:31
Brian Atlasreally like him he wants to actually pull back on providing he doesn't want to pay for dates for you because you're the one you're the one but he doesn't want to provide and you know that all
05:06:42
Brian Atlashis prior relationships and girlfriends and women he's hooked up with got far better treatment you wouldn't be upset about that as a girl yeah but I think that's a very different than some than waiting
05:06:55
Brian Atlasfor someone to have sex with you how is that priority because I don't think that it's an analogy so it's not a onetoone yeah uh it doesn't uh what's the term
05:07:06
Belldoesn't like print on one to one I just don't think think it's fair to assume a woman I think I don't think it's it should be expected of her to give it up easily on the first date because she
05:07:17
Bellmade the mistake the first time she no she doesn't have to I'm just sharing the guy's perspective here I understand the guy's perspective CU I'm by I date women if a woman came to me and told me her
05:07:28
Bellstory my first thought wouldn't be man it's so unfair that I don't get sex right now I would think that's so awful that you went through that I'm so sorry that you experienc that TR let's wait for that say that something awful Happ
05:07:40
Riley Risa / Charseshe experienced was kind of you think it was abuse I've never said that words in my mouth quirky hookup I didn't get any trauma or anything from it it was not trauma it wasn't an ideal first time she
05:07:52
Brian Atlasconsent she had consensual sex why are you trying to paint it like pathologize the situation I'm not pathologizing the situation I mean you have a tendency to do that but go on do not that's you're
05:08:03
Bellsaying what she explain it sounded like overwhel from what she explained it was not an overall positive experience it's not how I personally it's not abuse if you have I never negative experience I never said
05:08:15
Brian Atlasit was abuse I never want said yeah you can get Trauma from something that's not abuse so like having a like having a regret I don't speak I
05:08:27
Brian Atlasdon't want to speak for her I do not have traa let's say she really regretted it is that trauma no no and actually having shame is a very good thing in society we have
05:08:39
Chrissy Clarklost the ability to have Shame about things that are shameful and you cannot grow and you cannot learn without shame and regret I agree that's exactly why I've been trying to change it's okay my
05:08:52
Bellentire point was to not speak for her and whether her experience was traumatizing or not my entire point was if I heard from a person that I was interested in dating that they had prior
05:09:04
Brian Atlasnegative experiences and they said because of my negative experiences I want to wait until the fifth date I would respect that I would as long as you're totally fine if a man had a
05:09:15
Brian Atlasnegative experience and and and you're saying that the woman is not allowed to feel a certain type of way if she finds
05:09:22
Brian Atlasout that a guy that she's dating treated his Exes in this sort of way bought food bought gifts paid for dates took her on trips whatever it is I think it's like a
05:09:35
Bellvery common thing I think a lot of guys with their first loves they do overpour and they do over gift and they do and they learn from that situation and they do take stacks back and they do pull back and I think that's a very healthy
05:09:47
Bellresponse to being taken advantage of and I'm not sitting here and saying her situation she got taken advantage of what you're explaining is a man who got taken advantage of by their first love so as a result now going into their next
05:10:00
Bellrelationships yeah they probably are not going to be going all out again because they're trying to protect themselves and I think that's a really healthy response I think what she's exper what she told
05:10:11
Brian Atlasme it seems like she's having a very healthy response and learning from a mistake except you're including one component of in here I'm not saying in
05:10:22
Brian Atlasthese scenarios hypothetical scenarios that the woman mistreated the man okay I'm not saying that they had a
05:10:32
Brian Atlasbad experience because they did these things right by getting a woman gifts paying for dates Etc okay I'm just saying a woman might feel
05:10:43
Brian Atlaslike hold on does she really care or excuse me does he really care about me because in all his other relationships he did the most for his girlfriends am I just like sex to him does he not really
05:10:54
Brian Atlascare about me because in all his other relationships he did XYZ I'm not getting XYZ am I less important to himc because of that what's going on here so you
05:11:04
Bellwould feel less important if a woman lost her virginity with an hours and wanted to make you wait five dates I would think it's a raw deal I I I get more what you're what
05:11:17
Vanessa / Charseyou're saying now I get I get more of what Brian's point is like he he is he has got a St meate there yeah I get the point but don't you think it's good for people to learn from their past I think
05:11:28
Bellit's an enormous green flag because it it you can learn from your past but you can't show that she went through a past experience and she learned from it and she grew and that to me personally is incredibly important when you're looking
05:11:40
Brian Atlasfor a partner you're you're forgetting the arbitrary nature with which she has this standard because she she stated herself that she lost her virginity quickly made this new guy wait five
05:11:51
Brian Atlasdates and then after that slept with somebody quickly it's a totally arbitrary virtue or value so where is
05:12:01
Brian Atlasthe growth there if if you make a guy wait 3 months to have sex with him and then immediately once you break up with him you go and [ __ ] a guy the first night after meeting him after the
05:12:13
Brian Atlasbreakup you would look back at that and be like wait why did I she went and [ __ ] this guy immediately but I waited 3 months so it was never about virtue it was never about value it was just some arbitrary thing she was trying to
05:12:25
Riley Risa / Charsewithhold sex to get compliance from me in some way essentially a game fake virtue no I genuinely wasn't trying to do that like I was genuinely trying to be better for myself think you were okay
05:12:36
Andrew Wilsonthey just so just just you understand and this is that thing I was talking about earlier where sometimes when you're talking about a situation they think it's directed at me it's it's really not directed at you is just
05:12:48
Andrew Wilsonparsing this idea of the perception of how a man might feel under these situations right so I can understand how a man would feel that he was getting the raw end of the deal or that he was being
05:13:01
Andrew Wilsonemotionally manipulated or that a woman was faking virtue I can understand whether that was your motivation or not it wasn't I'm just explaining that from
05:13:11
Brian Atlasthe male perspective I can I can understand why they would think that I like that more anyways let me read a couple chats here we have bam the Mars thank you man
05:13:23
Brian Atlasone of the most valuable things a woman can give to a man is her Purity once that value is gone it's gone forever okay bam appreciate it thank you for the Super Chat thank you thank you gone for Gone Forever is it gone forever
05:13:36
Brian AtlasI don't know thank you all right appreciate it man we have of you you're not getting the back you can't get the virginity back um okay uh props again to blue shirt wait did I
05:13:49
Brian Atlasalready read this one uh props again to blue shirt for visiting her child she put up for adoption wwom angels are rejoicing over you and your child when is the cummer Gremlin going to be allowed on Andrew is a
05:14:00
Brian Atlasheretic what was that last he's talking about Destiny Okay Giovani uh I don't know maybe eventually we'll get we'll get him on all right we have L paladins here I did
05:14:12
Brian Atlaslike how you softened the blow of heretic with Kumer Gremlin that was was good uh bad logic Andrew you just heard a perfect example of a woman that was willing to sleep with a man within an hour her body count was zero this is why
05:14:23
Brian Atlasmen prefer younger women easier less baggage yeah but but I actually but I actually brought that point up why would that why would that be gross yeah wait why is that gross res say the comment that sounded really gross okay I'll pull
05:14:35
Bellback up you said that men prefer younger women cuz they have less baggage that's yeah that's a gross gross gross gross gross thing to say no gross gross gross gross to Target younger women because
05:14:45
Bellthey have le it's predatory it's extremely predatory how's it predatory to Target younger women because they have less
05:14:55
Brian Atlasexperience that's something that like abusers and groomers purposely say they look for vitim they for Less experience
05:15:04
Brian Atlasso this is the feminist loaded language so youn that your hair so so you use the term targeted predatory right yes terms
05:15:16
Brian Atlascouldn't I just say that women Target wealthy and successful men and they're predatory for targeting wealthy and successful
05:15:25
Brian Atlasmen or is it just the reality the sort of evolutionary biological reality that women tend to be attracted to men of status men of
05:15:37
Brian Atlasmeans for there's a couple reasons there one a guy High status could have certain uh benefits to her and her children
05:15:46
Brian Atlasright so why is that any different than men preferring a younger woman who would be a better partner because she has not a better partner because she's younger
05:15:56
Bellshe's just easier to manipulate that's genuinely that's genuinely a thing that happen I could actually make this other AR very very often actually so I can
05:16:07
Brian Atlasmake another argument so woman who's say 33 and still single she is perhaps because of you know the time clock when it comes to pregnancy look you can get pregnant well into your late 30s 40s I
05:16:18
Brian Atlascan actually just make an this argument about uh easier to manipulate a woman who's a little more pressed to get into a relationship she's easier to
05:16:28
Brian Atlasmanipulate because she's like time's ticking and I can manipulate hold on let me make the argument I can manipulate
05:16:36
Brian Atlasher better because she has a uh she has a greater uh desire uh desire no there's there's another word I'm thinking of a a
05:16:46
Brian Atlasgreater urgency because of her greater urgency to enter into a relationship she must be easier to manipulate that example also sounds like you're a gross person that doesn't thatle not L gross
05:16:59
Belldoes not make him sound like gross you're making him sound Predator but you're saying BYT this person is purposely manipulating a woman that he's not manipulating used the word manipulation no no no you
05:17:11
Brian Atlasmade the claim that younger women are easy to manipulate but I could say that right but hold on I am making the argument that you could manipulate
05:17:23
Bellsomebody at an older age for other reasons yes that's also disgusting and predatory but also that's also not an
05:17:33
Brian Atlasoverwhelming problem in our society why do you jump to the in relationship why do you jump to the conclusion that that a man who I got hit on considerably
05:17:44
Bellmore by older men when I was 16 not interested in talking about uh we're not talking about that yeah I'm talking about adult relationship so we're talking about 18 and over so we'll talk
05:17:54
Bellfrh young woman means fresh they just turned 18 so what are can they vote Yes but your brain is not fully developed then why are you voting
05:18:05
Bellthen why are you voting at 18 because it's different why how because okay so first of all that you can vote to affect my life know why do you know why that law is set into place and why 18 is considered an adult it's so that they
05:18:16
Bellcan enlist young people into the military because based on our physical young people or young or men men young men into milary because at 18 is when
05:18:26
Bellthey are physically able to serve that isy old it is not it is not based off of oh 18 is fully formed your brain is not fully formed until 25 not
05:18:39
Bellthat any 26-year-old going for an 18-year-old is predatory and problematic however that is a big issue that I do see often I do see a lot of women young
05:18:49
Brian Atlaswomen 18 women fresh into the dating scene getting taken advantage of by 30-year-olds how do you so what evidence what evidence do you have that they're getting taken advantage of is it simply
05:19:02
Bellby virtue of them dating their experience how is that they speak about their experence and they speak about it and users and groomers specifically have been interviewed and have talked about
05:19:13
Vanessa / Charsethe fact that they go for younger women because they are easier to mold you have to stop making every man as if they're like being a pred I'm will I'm totally willing to engage with this I think but a lot but it is problem
05:19:26
BellI think at this point I think this point is fine not all men not all Not all men are abusers not all men are rapists but a overwhelming majority of women have had an exper a negative experience with
05:19:37
Bella man totally AG that is fact so let's let's back up I just I want to make sure I understand mhm when should women be considered adults I think women should be considered an adult and making adult
05:19:49
Belldecisions probably around 25 because of the prefrontal load I would because of the prefrontal load yes the prefrontal load that begins degrading immediately after 25 I believe that hang a woman 25
05:20:01
Bellis very different than a girl 18 that's so different wildly different they have wildly different view points why are they different at they're inexperienced no that's not what you and
05:20:12
Andrew Wilsonthe prefrontal L is also okay so hang on you if you're going to make this justification I need you to actually make it okay are you an adult at 25 because your prefrontal lobe is fully developed I would say that's a factor
05:20:24
Andrew Wilsonit's also experience okay but experience is is I would say hang on hang on it's A1 old is like a young adult but experience is arbitrary you can have 19 18 year olds far more experienced than
05:20:35
Andrew Wilson25y olds yes that is a factor for sure because that is so there's no way that we could base adulthood on experience there would be no test we could give for experience no so if you're looking for
05:20:47
Andrew Wilsonphysicality the prefrontal lobe is it for physicality yes well then if that is the case don't you think that women should not be able to vote until 25 I wouldn't say women shouldn't be able to
05:20:58
Bellvote I would say well we're talking about women being able to consent so you don't think they should be able to consent till the 25 I think voting I I'm not saying that no one can consent I'm not saying no one can thought they
05:21:09
Bellweren't I'm not saying that every single woman that is D that is 30 she's 18 he's a 30-year-old I'm not saying every single instance woman getting taken L I'm just following your logic are they
05:21:22
Belladults at 25 or before I feel like you're making a very broad blanket statement I'm not making a broad blanket statement I'm saying this is a problem that is happening there are men that are doing this not all men so when are women
05:21:33
Andrew Wilsonadults when when are they adults adults I would say human I would consider an adult woman 25 if you consider them to only be adults at 25 why the [ __ ] would
05:21:44
Andrew Wilsonyou ever Advocate that men or women can ever make any decision which would impact their life in long term before the age of 25 including consenting to sex because that's just the world we
05:21:54
Belllive in that's not an answer and also but the age the AG the age the age of consent is also not 18 it's depends state to state it's very very different yeah but I would guess that you would
05:22:06
Bellwant to eliminate that for non-adults ads right I depends on the age range I think an 18-year-old having sex with an 18-year-old is very different than a 30-year-old having we'll go with that
05:22:18
Andrew Wilsonit's very very different that but if you're not smart enough or competent enough or experienced enough to make a decision about who you want to sleep with regardless of their age why the
05:22:31
Bell[ __ ] would we give you consent to sleep with anyone you're not experienced enough to have to make those decisions right because it's not it doesn't apply to all and I'm not saying it applies to all again I never said every single I've
05:22:42
Andrew Wilsonnever said say all I've never said I ask when all women are adults when are all of them adults I guess okay then I'll rechange my statement it depends on the person it depends so how could you ever
05:22:53
Bellcreate a metric for it then I think that people who are 25 should be going for people who are around the same age range I think it's a very huge red flag when men who are 23 and older are going for
05:23:06
Bell18-year- olds especially 18year olds that are there's 18-year-olds that are still in high school so they're graduating high school so you think someone in high school should date someone who's a grown adult who has a 9 to5 job when are they adult weird it's
05:23:19
Andrew Wilsonweird I'm Sayes gross it's weird just saying gives you the I it gives you the ick yeah gives can you give me an actual argument other than it gives me the ick like an
05:23:30
Bellactual argument for why this is wrong yes it puts a lot of women in having that blanket it puts a lot of women in very very uncomfortable situation what are all the
05:23:41
Bellwomen that you hang on every relationship can do that they are choosing to make that decision that doesn't mean that it's not gross that doesn't mean that men that are purposely 30 years old targeting 18yar olds are not a problem Doan they're not a gross
05:23:54
Belldo you think that based on the fact that just because they legally can do you think do you think that you should be able to Outlaw it no well then how much of a problem could it be don't you usually Outlaw behavior that problem
05:24:06
Bellgross I said ew disagreed with it I can disagree with an opinion that doesn't mean we're going to base a law off of my opinion okay so I don't speak for an entire country okay so you don't think I speak for me so you and I think that that's gross yeah you
05:24:20
Belljust think it's icky I think that's extremely icky yeah sure but you don't actually have any 18-year-old 19-year-old women that are watching this podcast I agree I would steer clear from
05:24:31
Bellme I I would say most men who are like 23 trying to date 18-year-olds it's because they're unable to get women their own age because they lack maturity so let's move it back okay before you go off on these other diet tribes and we'll
05:24:43
Andrew Wilsonjust stick with the one do you can you actually make a moral argument for why it would be wrong for a 30-year-old man to date an 18-year-old girl if they both consent to it no it's like a red flag so
05:24:54
Bellit's not like it's kind of like you were saying with like a flight attendant it's a red flag because there is flight attendants that maybe aren't sleeping with a bunch of guys but there is a stereotype there that most of them are
05:25:05
Bellsleeping with a lot of guys so no not all 30-year-olds who are dating 18-year-olds have negative intentions however I would say a lot do there is a stereotype there is I'm going to give
05:25:16
Andrew Wilsonyou the caveat distinction I would say that a slight or a flight attendant who is sleeping with a lot of men is doing something immoral right would you 30-year-old taking advantage of an 18old so I'm
05:25:28
Andrew Wilsonasking so I'm asking you to make moral argument like I just did that thing immoral what about 30-year-old with 18-year-olds actually immoral when they're both consenting
05:25:39
Bellit's just really the fact that you don't see a problem with it is insane just say it's icky insane to me it's icky it's insane oh it's insane to me 23y old and
05:25:51
BellI would never date an 18-year-old in high school I think that's not an ad well first of all they don't at 18 they don't have to be do they have what do what does a 30-year-old have in common with an 18-year-old girl why can't they
05:26:02
Andrew WilsonL why do you think that men and women have all this [ __ ] in common they don't they do no yeah have a lot in common what do you have in common witchcraft we're both hot we both are
05:26:13
Andrew Wilsonartists there's a lot I have both artist I we both okay so then by this criteria similar childhood hang on you ready by this criteria we both have jobs we both
05:26:23
BellDrive in cars we both walk down streets both we both have hair we have very similar passions we have very similar desires we both have the same viewpoints on marriage we have the both
05:26:35
Andrew Wilsonhave the same viewpoints on polyamory we both what do he do for fun with him no what does he do for fun that you don't do for fun uh video games yeah he plays video games I play video games too but we play different yeah I mean he plays
05:26:48
Bellhe he's a player player of the video games right yeah he plays video games hangs out with his friends so do you have the same friends um not not really like that like it's like I'm friends with his friends but they're his friends like if we if we broke up I would never
05:27:01
Belltalk what's the girliest thing that you do that he doesn't do I don't know because he lets me paint his nails he puts eyeliner on
05:27:08
Belland honestly most attractive thing ever encountered he's not a female oh just put on eyeliner that doesn't
05:27:19
Andrew Wilsonmake him less of a man it very secure if his Mas if all it is is the idea of a commonality of Interest then I would just give you the same argument back we both drive cars we both have jobs we both do this we both do that we both do
05:27:30
Andrew Wilsonall these things so we must have all the stuff in common not really a commonality is not necessary between two people that they're interested in the same external things that's not what creates a deep
05:27:41
Andrew Wilsonconnection between human beings for instance if my wife really hated the type of food that I really liked what the [ __ ] would that have to do with us having anything in common nothing nothing it honestly that would have no
05:27:54
Bellbearing on whether or not we deeply loved each other so the thing is and I'm not sitting here and saying that there isn't 30y olds that are dating 18y olds and they have a healthy Dynamic I'm not saying that that is I'm not saying you are I'm just looking for this idea if
05:28:07
Andrew Wilsonyou tell me a flight attendants out there sleeping with many many men I'm going to say that's immoral I'm just asking you to say it's immoral for a 30-year-old to sleep with an 18-year-old then give me the justification for it I would I wouldn't say it's immoral for
05:28:20
Bellthem to sleep with an 18-year-old I would say it's immoral if they're purposely targeting 18-year-olds okay why would that be immoral because they're purposely targeting women with lower experiences often times because
05:28:32
Andrew Wilsonthey're easier to manipulate and control let's just assume for a second that that's true that these men like to have women around that they can manipulate and control that's part of their Dynamic do you agree with me that there's plenty
05:28:43
Bellof women who like to be manipulated and controlled or the younger women like older Dynamics I think that that's a very very it's a rough topic because a lot of the women that put themselves in those
05:28:55
Bellsituations come from very very rough backgrounds and so I think there is an argument to be made that maybe what if they had more respect for themselves yeah and there's Kinks that I disagree
05:29:07
Andrew Wilsonwith I'm a kink shammer but there's Kinks that are yeah I get it but if you can't make if you can't tell me why it's immoral and you can just say in a circumstance where this 30-year-old is
05:29:18
Andrew Wilsontargeting an 18-year-old right for nefarious purposes then I would make the counterargument that anybody targeting anybody for nefarious purposes it's
05:29:29
Andrew Wilsonimmoral regardless of their age so if an 18-year- old's targeting uh or a 30-year-old's targeting an 18-year-old for a long-standing relationship finds her to be beautiful sure um I think it's
05:29:41
Belljust more what's the actual issue there it's more dangerous for an 18-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man than the other circumstances butse are while it would
05:29:52
Bellbe more dangerous there's also benefits right I guess there's benefits to an 18-year-old da and a 30-year-old I would say
05:30:02
TTS/Donationsoverall for an overwhelming majority of people their aled me PA donated $200 on team 30 and 18 all right he's on team 30 it's really
05:30:13
Andrew Wilsonamazing because there actually are really compelling arguments against the age Gap argument but the people who feel the most firmly against it never give any they just say it's gross and I'm
05:30:26
Andrew Wilsonjust like that you can't base your life on what's gross if so then we would have outlawed all sorts of things that you you know probably like lgbtq a lot of people find that gross do you think that that's acceptable I think that's a very
05:30:39
Belldifferent topic do you think it's acceptable that they do some people find a dick so it's it's I but I never once said we're going to Outlaw 30-year-olds from dating 18-year- olds I nevere you didn't but if you if you have the
05:30:51
Bellresponse of telling people you shouldn't do this you shouldn't and you say well why why should because I think it's gross well that's what I said I said cuz a lot a lot of often times it sets women
05:31:02
Andrew Wilsonup for failure it sets wom up to being very very toxic Dynamics this is just every relationship now is set up in a toxic dynamic because most of most of these marriages are ending in divorce so
05:31:14
Andrew Wilsonthey seem seem like regardless of the age group they they seem to be highly toxic because they're not lasting a long period of time if you look at the UK there's the office of Statistics in the
05:31:27
Andrew WilsonUK that's literally what it's called okay mhm they went through and they took all of the marriages that have ever happened ever in the UK which included ageg Gap
05:31:37
Andrew Wilsonmarriages see if it was true that those types of relationships failed more than relationships within a similar age they couldn't find any significant deviation
05:31:49
Bellwhatsoever yeah I would assume they wouldn't why because often times the 18-year-old in question is getting groomed oh well this is interesting
05:31:59
Andrew Wilsongetting groomed wait a second that's hangang then I would expect to see those relationships work out more yeah they would why they don't they were there's
05:32:10
Andrew Wilsonno significant deviation between the people who are engaged in a similar age relationship and those who are in this age Gap relationship of 20 years or more
05:32:20
Andrew Wilsonby the way no significant difference if it was true that those younger women were being groomed or something like this and by some type of super Predator who brainwashed them I would expect that
05:32:32
Andrew Wilsonyou would see those relationships have a much bigger longevity than similar age with the same experience but you don't that's really weird so my grandma
05:32:43
Vanessa / Charseactually left my grandpa for a man that was 30 years younger than her they stayed married for 55 years and he stay he was right there at her deathbed how
05:32:52
Vanessa / Charseold was she and how old was he he was I think 20 21 and she was in her 40s 50s almost 50 Predator [ __ ] PR for
05:33:03
Andrew Wilsonpredator predatorily stalking Through the Jungle waiting for never met more two people more in love I mean I never said it was every single circumstance
05:33:14
Bellbut I'm saying it's something that it's something that we shouldn't put pressure on something we shouldn't be putting out we it's something we shouldn't be normalizing in my personal
05:33:24
Kaylaopinion we're not normalizing it we well I have a question dis that opinion just to clarification cuz I I like when we when you guys talk and you want to define a word so you keep saying the
05:33:36
Kaylaword grooming so I know what the word grooming is it's it's taking someone and slowly acclimating them to get used to something that is immoral gross
05:33:47
Kayladisgusting right so where in it does an adult and an adult groom an adult into a this is what I'm talking about a consensual adult relationship unless they're grooming them into now you're
05:34:00
Kaylagoing to be a murderer now you're going to be a thief there's no grooming happening because I am an adult this both people are adults which is why an 18-year-old adult is different than a 30-year-old adult in a lot of
05:34:13
Andrew Wilsoncircumstances because your preal cont CeX has not developed okay but so let's get into the prefrontal cortex because this is an argument often used by leftists would you agree with me that
05:34:24
Andrew Wilsonyour brain development is highly dependent upon body nourishment yes and do you agree that poor people have worse nourishment than rich people yes so so then i' have to ask you
05:34:36
Andrew Wilsonwould you ever recommend that a rich person gets together with a poor person because their prefrontal cortex is not going to develop correctly depends on the people and depends on the circumstan but wait wait
05:34:48
Andrew Wilsonit's all about the prefrontal cortex so I got to ask you they still develop a prefrontal cortex yes but not correctly right not correctly so just based on
05:34:58
Andrew Wilsonnourishment Alone by your argument okay there could be women who are 25 if as long as they're just in a lower socioeconomic you know position they should not be
05:35:10
Andrew Wilsondating or rich people should not be dating them even if they're in the same age group because they you don't know that rich person's background you have no idea what they're we're just going to say on average there's rich people why
05:35:22
Andrew Wilsonwould that not be not born rich wait why would that not be icky though if this person had all the right nourishment so that their prefrontal cortex developed correctly and then the person who had was poor probably didn't have as good a
05:35:34
Bellnourishment so it didn't they could never be at the same level even if they were 25 right mhm so they shouldn't date I mean that there is a lot of circumstances where that does happen and that is a big thing where women do get set up with financial abuse they do get
05:35:48
Bellstuck in relationships where they are financially dependent so who the [ __ ] is allowed to date who in your world yeah anyone can date anyone but I can say that there's red flags and there's warnings and women should protect
05:35:59
Bellthemselves they should protect themselves from a rich man every man who's taking care of them I think women should have their own Financial security set up when they're dating a man because you never know you
05:36:11
Andrew Wilsoncould be with a man for 20 years and then he divorces you and if you don't have you don't have say you don't have a prup you don't have anything set up you haven't worked FL no no the red flag
05:36:23
Andrew Wilsonwould be to the rich man right to say don't date poor women because their brain isn't developed correctly because they're prefrontal cortex was stunted because they didn't get the correct nourishment well most rich men don't
05:36:35
Andrew Wilsonwant to date poor women oh actually oh cont they don't care cuz they're looking not at the prefrontal cortex that they don't give a [ __ ] about they're looking at how hot they are I would disagree they don't care
05:36:47
BellIE because the Social Circles that rich people are in are very different than the Social Circles people are in I I do need to do an intermission because we have a backlog of chats I will I don't think you got an answer from her on the
05:36:59
Brian Atlasgrooming definition so I will I've made a note to get to that uh we have Giovani C is it a good idea to get to go on a Perpetual medium with millions of views and talk about other scumbags porking
05:37:11
Brian Atlasyou who would want to marry you after that so our kids can get clowned stupid or Shameless
05:37:17
Riley Risa / Charse[Music] um I mean whoever I end up with um I I wouldn't want them to be put off by
05:37:29
Riley Risa / Charsemistakes I made when I was 17 and I've already clearly stated that I'm I've learned from those mistakes and I'm trying to better myself so think that I
05:37:39
Brian Atlaswill find somebody who respects me we have LOL paladins here coming in just a moment let women are willing to be promiscuous for certain types of men uh
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Brian Atlasbe that type of man they'll morph to be what you want as a man the same woman will be both a three fo and also make other types of men
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Brian Atlaswait uh interesting one L paladins thank you this is back in our discussion about waiting for sex palins also said this was my entire point though a woman neither has more or less of virtue based
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Brian Atlason how quick she will sleep with you it's the same woman that will sleep quick or slow same virtue different durations all right L paladins and then he has another one coming
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Brian Atlasin thank you little paladins appreciate it I'll play your noise here while oh actually hold on is it coming the variable is not how virtuous the woman is the variable is the type of man that
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Brian Atlasshe is with she will still give it it up quick for some men and not give it up quick for others she learned nothing okay thank
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Brian Atlasyou that's his sound he gets a special sound um we have again L Paladin's gross pot meat Kettle she's just upset because she knows she's full of baggage that no
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Brian Atlashigh quality man wants her she gets what she deserves she's only someone's side piece and never more you're quick I think this is to you me to yeah I think
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BellI don't know yeah you I don't know why you want to come I'm in a relationship though and I think he he's mentioning the side piece component of the whole non monog
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Bellit's like um well right now we're actually exclusive cuz I just said I wanted to take a break from dating uh well I wanted him I don't really want him talking to other women he doesn't care if I talk to other women so that's
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Brian Atlaskind of our Dynamic right now okay all right we have more chats maybe if you weren't so much damaged goods you wouldn't get so upset that I'd prefer any other woman other than
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Brian Atlasyou I don't know who that man is he's you don't know L paladins I don't know who that is he's a paladin he's he actually L paladins I don't know if you were here earlier on in the show so
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Bellshe's a witch we are me and Andrew are paladins casting protection spells well it didn't work cuz that earthquake hit that was my ex oh [ __ ] that no it did
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Brian Atlaswork because your earthquake didn't take us out oh [ __ ] it warlord 69 oooo says o what happened to your magic Gypsy does it not work in this
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Brian Atlasscenario does Leonardo DiCaprio give you the ick cuz he's with a really young woman oh or Nick you want to pull up that infographic for Leo I think it's in the infographics I think he has like a
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Bellhistory of that too it yeah I think I think it's icky I think it's icky you think everything is Icky I think certain situations are icky yes unless it comes to open
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Bellrelationships that's fine everything else [ __ ] icky yeah cuz I don't see how an open relationship is