Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate | Whatever Debates 26
Date: 2026-03-29
Duration: 6h 07m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Driena Sixto(guest)
SPEAKER_03Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:16
IntroBrian introduces debate: Rachel Wilson vs Driena Sixto
00:25:17
Key MomentRachel: if women didn't vote, there would never be another Democrat president
01:43:03
Key MomentRachel demolishes economic argument for low birth rates: poorest people have most children
02:25:30
QuoteDriena's closing: suggests Rachel take one-way trip to Iran if she doesn't like women's rights
05:38:09
QuoteRachel's closing: Driena came unarmed to a debate. If it was a beauty pageant she'd do great.
Topics Discussed
00:25:17
Women's Suffrage and 19th Amendment
Central debate. Rachel argues women shouldn't vote. Driena argues voting is inherent right.
00:45:23
Prenuptial Agreements
Extended debate between Rachel and Driena on prenups and financial independence in marriage.
01:02:10
Pornography: Ban or Free Speech?
Rachel advocates criminalizing porn. Driena opposes banning despite agreeing its harmful.
01:38:32
Birth Rate Collapse
Rachel argues women's access to education is #1 correlate to declining birth rates.
02:42:09
Force and Patriarchy
Rachel argues rights only exist because men with force grant them.
Transcript
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04:52:29
Rachel Wilsonget criticized by men. I have gotten criticized by women for it my whole life, including a Candace Owens staffer who told me I wasn't a good American because I wasn't contributing to the GDP. >> Uh, okay.
04:52:41
Driena Sixto>> It's always been fem women who come at me. >> Um, no. Well, in my and leftist women, >> in my uh in my situation, it's
04:52:50
Driena Sixtodefinitely been men being the ones that say that women don't have uh value if they are just stay-at-home moms. And that is a luxury for men to >> conservative men say this.
04:53:02
Driena Sixto>> Not conservative men. I'm saying men in general. Men have I don't hear men say that. >> Men in general are saying what? that there's a lot of men that believe that
04:53:13
Driena Sixtowomen don't have value or aren't contributing equally to them for being stay-at-home moms, that they should consider themselves lucky to be able to
04:53:23
Driena Sixtostay at home with the kids while they pay for food and shelter. Um, that is a belief that a lot of men hold and it is probably contributing to women like the
04:53:34
Driena Sixtoones you mentioned feeling less than for being stay-at-home women. Uh, I think that women more than anybody understand the value of being mothers because we we
04:53:47
Rachel Wilsonknow that we know we know what we have to call the baby factory. I've been told I'm a brainwashed victim. You yourself have inferred that like I'm only here because I'm a pick me. I'm not using my
04:54:00
Rachel Wilsonown thoughts. I'm not using my own brain to look at the world and go wait everything is up. This is not how things should be. So, so women shouldn't vote as your perspective. >> No, you you don't take me seriously because I don't hold your feminist
04:54:12
Driena Sixtoviews. You think that my >> I don't take you serious. The only reason your argument your final argument is women shouldn't vote. That's why I don't take you seriously. >> I don't care about the whole women voting. That's a stuck in your craw.
04:54:24
Rachel WilsonIt's not stuck in mine. Whatever. I don't think women should vote. So what? Why does that make Why do you think it's cool to call me names like a pick me and infer that I don't have my own mind? that I didn't come up with this. Do you
04:54:36
Rachel Wilsonthink men wrote my book for me? Do you think men told me to say this? Or do you think or do you think that I >> am a actually a really smart person who looked around and went everything is out of order. Everything is all up
04:54:49
Rachel Wilsonnow. How did we get here? That's how I started writing this by looking around at the world and the way it is and going this is out of order. Things are all messed up. What is wrong here? And through the process of my own analysis,
04:55:02
Rachel Wilson>> how did you end up with the wrong conclusion though that wrong that women shouldn't vote. >> It's not women. Feminism has destroyed life for women. And if you want to talk about how things have turned out, >> I'm not I'm not arguing.
04:55:14
Rachel Wilson>> Tell me what feminism has done to improve life for women. Like >> you're not going to get me to argue for something I don't believe in. >> You have lost this debate badly and you are coping. >> I think people watching
04:55:26
Driena Sixto>> I think people watching will be determining that too. The fact that at the end of this you're trying to get me to argue in favor of feminism, which I have not done this entire time. >> You have and you just don't realize it
04:55:38
Driena Sixtobecause you don't understand words. >> You don't understand the meaning of words. >> I think we're ready for closing statements. At least I am. Are you, Rachel? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Um, we'll get into that in just a moment. Um, and I don't know if this
04:55:50
Brian Atlasadds at least some degree of clarity here at the end on that last point. Uh Andrew Wilson, who you squared up against and is obvious well
04:55:59
Brian Atlas>> Rachel's husband, uh he describes feminism as a uh movement towards egalitarianism with a rejection of patriarchy. Would you agree with that
04:56:11
Driena Sixtodefinition of feminism? >> No. Um I think that feminism just argues for additional rights above uh egalitarian rights to men. I think that's what crosses the line to
04:56:25
Driena Sixtofeminism. >> Like what? >> Wait, they >> everything outside of Yeah. Everything outside of voting and equal financial. >> Well, what's one thing that that you think feminism advocates for that you don't?
04:56:38
Driena Sixto>> Um special treatments >> like what? >> Like let's say um hiring requirements, quotas for women um in the workplace. So you have to have x amount of women and
04:56:50
Driena Sixtoand x amount of men. I'm against that. That's special treatments. That's not hiring based on competency or skill. It's hiring based on gender, which is wrong. It's DEI. So, I'm against DEI.
04:57:01
Rachel Wilson>> You're against DEI, but you're for forcing banks to force financial equality. Uh, that's >> and you're for forcing political straw man. What I'm trying to tell you is that you're trying to misrepresent
04:57:14
Driena Sixto>> trying to misrepresent my position which is >> all that law did is that it stopped banks from discriminating based on gender. Not too close. She's just going
04:57:25
Driena Sixtoto keep repeating forcing banks to give out loans or credit based on gender. That is a completely different thing and that is false. >> I've got two more super chats and then we'll get into the closing. Uh Jory,
04:57:37
Brian Atlasthank you for your super chat. Brianna, that's some sort of mutant combination of us dragons. Uh, have you read An Rand? >> Einrand. >> I apologize for the misprononunciation.
04:57:49
Driena SixtoIt sounds like you would describe to her philosophy, subscribe to her philosophy of objectivism. >> Um, I do agree with a lot of the ideas
04:58:00
Driena Sixtobehind objectivism. Absolutely. Uh, I think everybody should read some of Einran's works like uh The Fountain Head and Atlas Shrugged. You've have Have you
04:58:12
Driena Sixtoheard of that one before? >> You know, she's like one of the top libertarian philosophers, right? >> I I know that. >> So, just embrace the libertarian. >> You're a libertariance from where I want to reach.
04:58:24
Driena Sixto>> Wait, didn't she have some >> rather sexist views? That's why I say I don't necessarily feminist enough to that's why I say I don't you know label myself
04:58:36
Driena Sixtoby >> yeah she openly rejected feminism >> objectivism or libertarianism or conservatism fully. I pick and choose based on from what I think is is right and most people if more people did that
04:58:48
Brian AtlasI think we'd be better off for sure. >> All right well Jory thanks for your super chat. We have red fox blonde Cuban chick for the third time. Do you think you are a good role model for women?
04:58:58
Driena SixtoStop running from the question. >> Absolutely. I am uh financially responsible. I am uh somebody that times
04:59:09
Driena Sixtothe basically what I'm going to do with my life and and having kids and a family when it's when it's right so that I don't become a burden upon society, a
04:59:19
Driena Sixtotax burden or shift my responsibilities to anybody else. And I'm also going to make sure I give my kids a father that
04:59:29
Driena Sixtouh stays within their life for the rest of their life. So yeah, uh definitely a benefit to society. And like I said, I've also made sure that I advocate and
04:59:41
Driena Sixtowork for electing the people that have these conservative values. Not just talk about it, actually get out in the field and and do it >> like Trump with his conservative values. Uh definitely better than the other
04:59:54
SPEAKER_02options. >> I voted for Trump. He's better, but he's not conservative. Nobody is not conservative at all. Do you think for office then, Rachel? >> Why would I do that? >> Well, don't criticize other people. >> You know what? You're right. I'm going
05:00:07
Rachel Wilsonto do that. I'm going to run for office and then when I win, I'm just going to abdicate my seat to my husband. I'll just be like, you can just take over. >> That's what I'll do. >> I mean, that's what That's funny. That's what some people some politicians have
05:00:21
Brian Atlasdone. Yeah. >> Do you have a critique of either Rachel or Andrew >> or I suppose even possibly me or even other people who
05:00:30
Brian Atlas>> uh do online discourse and are primarily online uh that cuz you you're describe yourself as a conservative operative that you know you're not going that
05:00:42
Brian Atlaswe're not going out doortodoor knocking on doors. What what's that called? There's a term canvasing. Canvasing grass work. It could be canvasing as well.
05:00:51
Driena Sixto>> Is that what you did was canvasing? >> Um I that was part of it. Uh but mostly actually mobilizing people as well to do that. Do it myself because you have to
05:01:02
Driena Sixtolead by example but also mobilizing other people to do that. That is part of grassroots um work. Yes. >> But would you say that at least for the 2024 election uh the most recent election
05:01:14
Brian Atlas>> did I knock doors? Yes. Well, did I get do you think that the work you did >> and to be fair I'm not familiar precisely or
05:01:24
Brian Atlasin in total of everything you've done. >> Do you think that that is uh superior superior to say the work Rachel has done or Andrew has done or I have done or
05:01:36
Driena Sixtoother online creators have done in perhaps the success of Donald Trump's campaign? >> That's a very specific question. I think that you have maybe in your specific
05:01:47
Driena Sixtoshow, you've probably mobilized men to go vote for sure and and hyped them up for for Donald Trump. Uh has it had a similar issue within the female
05:01:59
Driena Sixtopopulation? I think it's the opposite. So, I don't know. >> You think we've had a negative >> I I I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think the following of
05:02:09
Driena Sixtothis show was mostly men anyways. Uh yeah, sure. So, uh, since you target them and >> what do you mean target them? >> Well, you you have a base that you can
05:02:19
Driena Sixtotalk to and mobilize that is mostly men and if you tell them to go vote for, you know, Donald Trump, then that does help that campaign and that and that movement. Abs. Absolutely. Now, what it
05:02:31
Driena Sixtodoes society, the other one, the one that Rachel's going to be here for tomorrow and that I was on here last time, is it helping men
05:02:40
Driena Sixtoand women uh come together more? Is it helping men view women in a healthy fashion or is it warping men's reality of women to where they think, well, most
05:02:54
Driena Sixtowomen out there are sexually promiscuous. There's a lot of women out there that uh work that are working in sex work. Uh most women are not
05:03:04
Driena Sixto>> claim we already discussed very intelligent because you know they answer >> total strong men never made that claim >> that are that are simple correctly. I
05:03:15
Driena Sixtothink that aspect of the show uh definitely divides the sexes and doesn't help as a society. Can I ask you a question? If uh >> so you're uh given that you're
05:03:27
Brian Atlasconservative, do you think are you anti-trans? >> Uh yeah. >> Okay. Do you think that that's divisive to humanity? Because clearly there are people who are protrans. So you're just
05:03:38
Brian Atlaslike on a going even beyond gender, beyond sex, uh you're just divisive on a humanity level. >> Uh no, >> that would be divisive, wouldn't it? >> No. Because uh there's first of all
05:03:51
Driena Sixtothere's no such thing as trans. There's just men and women. >> People disagree with you. >> Body dysmorphia. That's basically >> Okay. Well, I agree with you on that point, but other people disagree with you. >> Okay.
05:04:02
Driena Sixto>> Is it divisive? >> Does it help society if I affirm a trans person's delusions? No. >> Does it affirm society if I affirm a woman's delusions that she deserves a
05:04:14
Brian Atlasman who makes $10 million a year when she's an average woman? >> No. No. But it also doesn't >> but it would be divisive, wouldn't it? But what would be wrong with that?
05:04:23
Driena Sixto>> No. But it doesn't help it doesn't help show men that these are these are the women that are out there when they're less than 1% of the population. >> What do you mean? Who's less than 1% of
05:04:36
Rachel Wilsonthe population? >> For example, sex workers. >> The majority of our guests are not sex workers. >> Are one less than 1% of >> We already went over this. And the the amount of sex workers he's had on the show are representative of the amount of
05:04:49
Driena Sixtosex workers in the population. They went over the statistics live. >> Yeah. >> You may not have seen that. >> Yeah. And I uh I again don't have the statistics. You can pull them up from
05:04:58
Driena SixtoYouTube or whatever. I think in the past year and I haven't watch this show uh beginning to end, especially the ones on Sundays because it's a 10-hour podcast.
05:05:08
Driena SixtoUm, but yes, I think anybody that follows the social media accounts, Instagram, and gets clips would make the
05:05:18
Driena Sixtorational would would believe that the majority of women that go on the show uh have some kind of background in sex work. Is it true? I don't know. I don't
05:05:28
Driena Sixtohave the stats. Is it a fact that most people have the impression that the whatever podcast brings on a disproportionate amount of women with a
05:05:38
Brian Atlasbackground in sex work? Yes. We literally those are two separate things. Hold on. Disproportionate and majority are two separate things. Like for example, disproportionate let's say like
05:05:49
Brian Atlasthe amount of women between the ages of 18 to 25, 10% of them do sex work. and like we bring on 15% uh 15% of our guests do sex work that would be disproportionate but majority would mean
05:06:01
Driena Sixto50 51% and more >> for I can just speak on the last panel that I was on the women that were on the panel were not 15 to 25 there was a much larger age range was
05:06:14
Driena Sixtothere not >> I don't see how that'd be relevant >> so then you'd have to so then you'd have to put the equivalent age range that you had on the show from the youngest girl there to the oldest one and then see
05:06:25
Brian Atlaswhat the percentage of women within that age range that work. >> I'm willing to actually grant I'm I'm actually willing to grant that of the women who come on the show in terms of the proport uh comparing to the general
05:06:38
Brian Atlaspopulation the proportion of women who are sex workers. I'm willing to grant that say the it's I think 10 to 15% of all the guests in total that we've ever had on the show do some form of sex
05:06:48
Brian Atlaswork. I'm willing to grant that that that that's disproportionate. The majority, your claim is the majority of the guests who've been on the show are sex workers. >> For I just looked it up and it's like
05:07:00
Rachel Wilsonwomen under 30 between 18 and 35. It's estimated to be like 10%. >> Just look this up on I heard 18 to 24 25 on that one. But >> yeah, 18 to 24 it's even higher. It is
05:07:12
Brian Atlaslike 15%. which would be >> but she is shifting the goalpost because my claim is never that the majority I don't even I've never made the majority women are sex workers. >> I I know you haven't and I I haven't
05:07:25
Rachel Wilsonsaid that either. I'm saying >> you literally claim that. >> I'm saying >> you're basically claiming that you don't like the women who are This is the same criticism everyone has. Oh, he picks women to come on that look extra stupid
05:07:37
Driena Sixtoand bad. And it's like >> Yeah. And I'm saying that that is the impression that is given for those people. >> So you want him to curate only women that make women look good. You don't want >> people that follow. >> He just puts out a thing and says, "Hey,
05:07:50
Rachel Wilsonif you want to come on, come on." And these are the people who volunteer. >> Did I Did I screen you out? Were you screened out from coming on? >> No, I sex worker. >> I I messaged the the show, >> right? To be on
05:08:03
Driena Sixto>> just like everybody else does. >> Correct. uh most people or a benefit to being on the show for those women that do do sex work is that they do get >> but the majority of the girls who comes
05:08:16
Brian Atlasmajority of the girls that we have on the show they're not even like uh nonsexual content creators. They're just like some girl from Kentucky. Some girl from like Alaska who works as uh I'm
05:08:27
Brian Atlastrying to remember the guest that we had on last week and like they're not college girls >> or college girls. >> The average age of our guest is 25. >> Okay. Um again what I >> prefrontal cortex fully developed.
05:08:40
Driena Sixto>> What I >> they can vote if they're old enough to vote. They're old enough to decide if they want. I spoke about last time again is that the impression, the PR, what is
05:08:51
Driena Sixtothe brand of the show, um, whether you like it or not, is that there is a disproportionate representation of women that work in sex work within the show. Maybe it's only because the ones that
05:09:04
Driena Sixtouh, work in sex work are the ones that say the most outrageous things and then those are the clips that get posted on social media. I'm saying that that is the reality. people see it and now men
05:09:15
Driena Sixtothat watch that think, "Oh my god, there's so many dumb promiscuous women out there, we are cooked as a generation
05:09:24
Rachel Wilsonand that doesn't help us society." So if what if it's true though that because of the way things have panned out with all this feminism garbage and everything,
05:09:36
Rachel Wilsonwhat if it's true that we now have a young generation of women that women from 18 to like 30 are very promiscuous, not very smart, not good at critical thinking. And why? Because in the age of
05:09:48
Rachel Wilsonsocial media, they don't have to learn how to think. They can just be pretty. You can just be pretty and put pictures online and things just come to you. So they never develop maturity. They never learn how to think. They never learn how to be useful.
05:10:01
Rachel Wilson>> Do you think that's the actual case? >> I have two daughters who are in their early and mid20s. We were talking before the show about this and I will tell you that both of them call me regularly
05:10:12
Rachel Wilsonabout having to talk down their friends from starting and only fans like on a regular basis that their friends are all being promiscuous. that my daughter called me one morning and was like, "Mom, I'm at a brunch with a bunch of girls and I'm so glad that you didn't
05:10:25
Rachel Wilsonraise me like this because they're acting crazy and they're still drunk from last night and I just they're just telling me stories that are turning my hair white." >> Yeah, I do think that we've created a young generation of women that are very problematic and we should address it and
05:10:39
Driena Sixtofix it. >> I agree. I agree with that. Uh I have had different experiences. I have uh different friends curated that have never been in those kinds of circles or
05:10:50
Driena Sixtoor situations. I think again it goes back to the individual and what kind of company they want to keep and all of that. It is true that being promiscuous
05:11:00
Driena Sixtois marketed and offered to women as an easy way to make money especially. Uh and of course they're going to say >> and that it's cool. >> I don't think >> it's been marketed as cool. I don't you
05:11:12
Driena Sixtoknow what I I honestly >> all the pop stars talking about having casual sex and >> I feel bad for the women that that do resort to to sex work rather than than
05:11:23
Driena Sixtochastising them because I I do feel that it just corrupts the soul and I think that deep down it makes them unhappy uh makes them depressed. Um, >> well, they all they all tell us differently, don't they, Brian, when
05:11:36
Driena Sixtothey come on here? >> People say different things to to reality to, you know, put a front. But I do feel really bad for those women. And I I would want them to come out of that
05:11:47
Driena Sixtokind of world. The way to do that, I don't believe, is talking down to them. Um, telling them the truth, obviously, but, uh, not talking down to them. The
05:11:57
Driena Sixtomajority of them or a good amount of them probably have experienced some kind of sexual abuse in the past that then gave them some kind of trauma, some kind of PTSD, whatever, and that led them
05:12:10
Rachel Wilsoninto that kind of >> I don't agree with that at all. There's no evidence to back that up because of the reason she's just going to keep going. >> It's the Dria show. We all just have to
05:12:22
Rachel Wilsonlisten to her tell us, dictate to us how things I think they're victims of society. >> Nobody is forcing women into prostitution anymore. A 100 years ago, it was something you did if you were
05:12:32
Rachel Wilsondesperate. It is no longer the case. Now it's middle middle class girls who don't need the money, who just think it's fun and sexy. They want the money, but they also love the validation. They love the
05:12:44
Rachel Wilsonattention. They they love the idea of being sexy and people wanting them. And what Only Fans has proved to us is just how little encouragement young women
05:12:55
Rachel Wilsonneed to prostitute themselves. I don't like that either. But I'm not going to do You do this thing where it's like >> you're trying to prove you're for the sisterhood and you've insinuated through this whole thing that like, oh, look at Rachel. She's just a pick me. She's just
05:13:09
Rachel Wilsontrying to pander to men. Her whole audience is men. And it's like you you think that we should deny the truth and not say true things that are offensive to women in order to protect the
05:13:20
Rachel Wilsonsisterhood. And the reason I'm always the enemy of you and women like you is because you're like, "Why aren't you protecting the sisterhood? Why are you out here saying things that are true if it makes us look bad?" Rachel and I say,
05:13:32
Rachel Wilson"Stop talking over me. That's all you've done this whole time." That's what you That's what you've done. No, that's what you've done. That's what you've done. So, aren't you? >> No. I will I will say things that are
05:13:43
Rachel Wilsontrue. I have statistics and data to back it up. I know history better. I know more about history than you'll ever have enough lifetimes to forget. >> Convince people. >> I do convince people. I convince people
05:13:55
Rachel Wilsonall the time. Go read the comments under my Joe Rogan experience. Okay. It's one and a half million views. It's 99% positive. >> Yes. You don't >> I don't agree with you. I get I get letters from women all the time. I don't convince you because you're a
05:14:08
Rachel Wilsonhard-headed girl. >> You reaffirm people's beliefs. Some woman >> I don't. You reaffirm people telling you that they >> You're the one backing up the sisterhood. You're the one saying, "Listen, women are inherently good and
05:14:20
Rachel Wilsonthey would all act better if men would just be women only do something bad if men make them do it." And I'm the one who's saying, "No, women can be bad all on their own without men doing anything
05:14:31
Driena Sixtowrong." And you won't. you gave the example, right, of women uh sending you letters saying, "I'm so freaking happy that somebody is standing up for like for women because I'm a stay-at-home moms."
05:14:44
Driena Sixto>> Right. So that for those of us who don't want that is a woman who you are confirming what she already believes, her values, you're not changing. Do you want me to bring up all the emails of women who told me that I changed their
05:14:56
Rachel Wilsonmind, including two of the girls I was on the whatever podcast with who emailed me after to say, you know what, I never thought about that. And I went home and cried about it and I'm going to this one
05:15:08
Rachel Wilsonof them was an Only Fans girl. She took down her Only Fans because she had a daughter and she's like fantastic. >> You made me think of things I had never considered before. and I went home and had to like really ask myself tough
05:15:19
Rachel Wilsonquestions and I cried a little bit and then I decided I'm not going to do this anymore. So yes, I do reach people. You would have no way of knowing that. >> Oh wait, let me read a message. Uh so
05:15:30
Brian Atlashold on. Let me read a quick I got wait really quick. I got a message. I got a really quick I I received a message. Thank you for the content, man. You and
05:15:41
Brian AtlasAndrew's channels have probably saved my relationship by opening my girlfriend's eyes to the culture that a lot of modern women subscribe to. She now loves watching with me. Look at that. We got a
05:15:54
Brian Atlascouple. We got a man and a woman. They're in a relationship watching me and Andrew's channels. And I get these messages uh pretty frequently. >> I can pull up uh my accounts, too. And >> Okay, let me Can I do one real quick?
05:16:06
Rachel WilsonMessages that I got after this. This is from a a lady who we all have our sound our >> listening and trying not to cry. I had a very successful business graphic design. And what made me quit for good was someone who wanted me to design book
05:16:19
Rachel Wilsonbook covers for a series of goddess books. I had been living in the boss babe goddess culture for years trying to hold on to my Christian ethics and that was it. Since leaving it I have been deprogramming myself. It has been horribly toxic effect on me. It's made
05:16:32
Rachel Wilsonme a worse wife, a worse mother and definitely a worse Christian. Thank you for your book. I feel less crazy for thinking this damaged me like it did. >> Also, really quick, I I do >> she got damage from from painting from feminism from the feminism boss babe
05:16:45
Brian Atlasgoddess worship. >> You smuggled you smuggled in a claim earlier that uh either it's me or Rachel or Andrew that we're talking down >> to these women to the only fans women.
05:16:58
Brian AtlasWhat do you mean? Can you give me like uh it doesn't have to be verbatim. Give me an example of talking down to the women. What does that mean? >> I think uh anybody can go and they can I
05:17:09
Driena Sixtomean your show's tomorrow, right? At what time? At 3 4:30. >> Well, yeah, but that's tomorrow. Something that happened in the past. >> Well, they can see tomorrow's show or go back. >> Why would you assume that somebody's
05:17:21
Driena Sixtogoing to be talked down to tomorrow? Uh, and I know that's the case unless you're unless you're unless you're becoming a little bit more >> selfware on even but even the tone in addressing
05:17:34
Driena Sixtowomen. >> So great. My tone is terrible. Won't you >> and even uh telling women to shut up or do this? The way you address >> Yeah. Give me an example of talking down.
05:17:46
Driena Sixto>> I just I just mentioned it. If you're, you know, hosting people and you tell somebody, you know, shut up or shut the up or anything like that, that is talking down to women. Do you agree that that's an example of talking?
05:17:58
Brian Atlas>> Well, I could say shut the up to a man, too, I suppose. But, um, >> but that is also >> if somebody is >> talking down to women and it has happened and I watched >> Yeah, sure. I'm going to I'm absolutely going to agree that there have been moments where I've told people to either shut up,
05:18:11
Brian Atlas>> shut the up, >> women, >> you shut the I've definitely said it. I've absolutely said that. However, uh you're kind of uh missing the part where the person is not shutting the
05:18:24
Driena Sixtoup. >> That is not what I observed in the last in the last time I was here. I was actually so surprised um with those interactions because never in my life have I seen when you've given interactions between men and women.
05:18:36
Brian Atlas>> That's great. When you've given people instructions on multiple fronts over messages before the show, you ask people not to be interrupting. >> Does that matter? That's a part of being a host, Brian. >> Okay. Well, you might say that it's
05:18:48
Brian Atlasimpolite, but you you're doing something different here. Again, I'm asking you, what is the specific talking down? >> Uh talking down to women in calling them
05:18:59
Driena Sixtouh unintelligent or >> call someone unintelligent. >> I'd have to I guess go back to go back to shows or but again, I I don't have
05:19:10
Driena Sixtothe time to watch these whatever 10-hour podcasts done on Sunday. Um, but yeah, I think anybody that does watch them will see those negative interactions um
05:19:22
Driena Sixtoagainst the girls. That's what I saw when I was here last time. I was really uh really surprised by how bad it was, honestly. And again, I think those kinds
05:19:33
Driena Sixtoof interactions don't do anything to help get those women out of what you want them to do. You know, you get uh
05:19:42
Driena Sixtoyou get more um bees with honey than you do with poo, right? That is what I'm trying to say here. Like if we're trying to bring people to our side, get them to agree with us. I'm not say distort.
05:19:55
Driena Sixto>> I'm not sure if that's actually true to be honest. >> Don't distort facts, but the delivery does absolutely matter. Um >> well, I'm I'm actually interested in exploring somewhat related to this. You you're
05:20:06
Brian Atlas>> I'm actually kind of tired. suggest well we we'll get to we'll wrap soon then but uh this this suggestion that either Andrew Wilson Rachel Wilson or myself
05:20:17
Driena Sixtothat that we are divisive right >> uh yes when it comes to relations with men and women Rachel >> so we just a different >> what specifically is the divisive
05:20:30
Driena Sixtocontent >> um again portraying a majority of women to be uh somebody that has a background in sex work. Even if that's not the case on the show, if you go on social media and you
05:20:44
Driena Sixtosee clips, >> nobody portrays it as the majority. Do you want to pick different words? The impression that is given. Do you understand how public relations work? >> How would that matter if some people
05:20:55
Driena Sixtohave the perception a majority of the women on the show are sex workers? >> Most people have the impression that that's just >> I don't think that's true at all. you how would you first off you'd have to demonstrate
05:21:07
Driena Sixto>> that most women are sex workers cuz I don't think you do. >> I'm saying that from the clips being presented on social media. >> Often times wait hold on even if you
05:21:17
Brian Atlaswere judging base just off the clips the women in the like 60-second clips are not saying hey by the way my name is Becky and I'm a sex worker. Most the clips omit the woman's profession. So,
05:21:29
Driena Sixtohow would you establish that the uh women in these clips are even sex workers? >> That I guess again it's the impression that the impression that's your >> I think that's your bias.
05:21:42
Driena Sixto>> I think a good way to test this out, Brian, would be why don't you do a man on the street video? So go with the camera on the street, walk around this
05:21:51
Driena Sixtoarea and ask people first if they know of the whatever podcast and then second what do they think the or what is their
05:22:01
Brian Atlasimpression of the podcast and would they believe that uh sex workers are over represented >> in the in the show >> one you're just wrong but what does this
05:22:12
Brian Atlashave to do with my actual question that related to in which way so I was asking you what is the actual divisive content of the show and then you just defer to uh a majority of people think or have a
05:22:24
Brian Atlasperception that your show primarily has on why would that be divisive and one it's and secondly it's just false >> because it puts because for the men
05:22:34
Driena Sixtowatching it >> takes it gets them thinking that uh the reason why uh they are single or are
05:22:43
Driena Sixtolonely is because a majority of women are promiscuous A majority of women are just not intelligent. Instead of reflecting upon themselves, taking responsibility upon themselves,
05:22:55
Driena Sixtobettering themselves as as men. >> What are you saying? What are you You're not even know exactly what I'm saying. I don't know what you're saying. >> Men watching say or men watching think
05:23:07
Brian Atlasmen watching >> can someone have a false perception? >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what's going on. >> So then that's an error. That's an error
05:23:17
Brian Atlason their part. I'm asking you in truth, in actuality, what is the divisive content of my podcast? >> Again, the divise the divisive part of
05:23:29
Driena Sixtoit is that the end goal, the end result of it is that men have a more negative perception of women as a whole from watching it. Do you disagree with that?
05:23:41
Driena Sixto>> Hold on, repeat that one more time. that the end perception of men watching your that podcast is that they have >> Sorry, sorry, sorry. >> is that they have a ne more negative
05:23:54
Rachel Wilsonperception of women than they did before watching the podcast. >> It turns out when you let women say what they really think, they don't look so good sometimes. And she doesn't like that. And she would like you to conceal that.
05:24:06
Driena Sixto>> She would like you to hide that, please, because it doesn't make women look good. Well, when you bring on women that are, you know, young dumb girls from >> Wait, if they're young and dumb, why are
05:24:18
Driena Sixtowe letting them vote? >> Being indoctrinated by their college professors, but you want them to vote if we're bringing on, you know, sex work ignore me. >> Then then yes, you're going to get ridiculous question. You're going to get
05:24:31
Driena Sixto>> these women are so ridiculous. Why are you pressing them to vote? Because unfortunately, even the most ridiculous of people and ideas to be agree it's
05:24:42
Brian Atlasunfortunate that they're voting to be defended at the ballot box and we have >> You still didn't actually answer my question. >> We have to convince them. >> You didn't answer my question. You simply said even if I were to grant that the >> We have to convince the dumb sex workers
05:24:55
Brian Atlasto vote for us guys rather than just saying maybe they shouldn't vote. >> Well, hold on. >> You didn't actually You didn't actually answer my question. This is a two to one to end this. >> So even if the
05:25:06
Brian Atlas>> even if strong Oh my god. You >> got this. I believe in you. >> Even if that even if what you're saying is true and the end result is that a proportion of men had a slightly
05:25:17
Brian Atlasincreased negative perception of women, that still doesn't answer my question of what specific No. No. What specifically is the divisive nature or divisive
05:25:28
Brian Atlascontent on my podcast? What is the divisive nature or content of it? What am I saying that is divisive? >> It's not what you're saying. It's the result of it. What is the end result?
05:25:41
Brian AtlasWhat is that? That is my point. >> That is not the question I'm asking. I'm asking you're saying Brian, your content is divisive. I'm asking you what is the divisive content and you're saying some
05:25:52
Driena Sixtomen end up uh having a negative impression of women. That doesn't answer the question. >> Yeah. would vary on an episode toep episode basis. What is the divisive content? >> What is the divisive ideological
05:26:06
Driena Sixtopositions that I hold >> or that Andrew espouses? >> Um, again saying that men and women uh are not equal
05:26:16
Driena Sixto>> in the legal in the legal sense that uh women do not contribute equally to society as as men do. Uh that's an argument that Andrew has made. was factually true, would it be divisive?
05:26:29
Driena Sixto>> Yes. >> Well, it's not factually true. It is factually true. >> Um, men and women equally contribute to society. You can't have one. >> Hold on. How could that actually define equal? >> You gave me >> define equal.
05:26:41
Brian Atlas>> Equal in value. >> Wait, wait, wait, hold on. So, men and women, Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Let me make something clear. Men and women have inherent equal value. They have in
05:26:52
Brian Atlasthey're equal in moral value. Inherent value. Men are men and women are equal. But you can never make the claim that in terms of what men and women contribute to society that they're equations are
05:27:06
Rachel Wilsonequal. >> Yes, they are. They're different. >> They're not equal. That's actually not true. My friend Aaron Clary wrote this fantastic book called A World Without Men. Cannot recommend it enough. And
05:27:17
SPEAKER_04he's an economist. >> And this is And this is my want to reproduce with men. He's an economist because Hold on. Let Rachel Let Rachel Hold on. Let Rachel Let Rachel get through her thing. >> This is why women aren't getting
05:27:30
SPEAKER_04married. I mean, >> wait. What? Hold on. Wait. We have to explore that. But Rachel, please finish your question. >> If you if you believe men and women, >> you have to make women happy or they'll
05:27:42
Rachel Wilsonhold the whole human race hostage and refuse to reproduce and let humanity die out. So, be nice to women. Tell them what they want to hear. Anyway, my friend Aaron Clary wrote this fantastic book. I cannot recommend it enough. It's
05:27:53
Rachel Wilsoncalled a world without men, an analysis of an all-female economy. And he goes through the top jobs that women do and the top jobs that men do in the economy. And he's very fair. He's not like me.
05:28:06
Rachel WilsonHe's not he's way less radical than me. He's pretty pretty normal, chill guy. And he know and he breaks it down in such a way that he shows what jobs are
05:28:16
Rachel Wilsonessential. um what jobs are like pretty important, what jobs are not that important, and jobs that are totally useless. And the the split between women is like men do 70% of all the essential
05:28:28
Driena Sixtoand very important jobs that just like we can't live as a species if they don't do >> is is having kids not the most essential >> but we're talking about in the work in the workforce. Women aren't having kids
05:28:40
Rachel Wilsonand you said the women won't have kids until the men do what they want. >> But that is the value that they bring to society. But they're not doing it. You're not doing it. Most of them aren't doing it. It's 1.5 kids per woman now. Women aren't doing it. They want to have
05:28:53
Driena Sixtoa office job. >> And both of you just said that what men contribute to society is of greater value than what women contribute to society. It is. Yes. Which is it used to
05:29:04
Rachel Wilsonbe equal. The women were having children and raising them themselves. >> I don't think that's the only reason. I don't think that's the only essential job women can do. Wait, she
05:29:15
Driena Sixtodid smuggle something in there. >> She smuggled a bunch of in two to one debate. I guess it takes two of them against you're directing some of the Okay, >> to make their points. Just wanted to call that out. >> Call one out. >> The fact that now it's a two to one
05:29:30
Driena Sixtodebate. Um >> Well, if I think it's fair because you're a contradiction machine, you assert things you can't of you to go up against one of my >> Oh gosh, Brian. If that's not the case,
05:29:42
SPEAKER_02then prove me wrong. >> I think it's fair. I did for the last 4 hours. >> Uh, prove me wrong that it takes just one of you. >> I think it's fair if you're >> I whooped your ass for 4 hours straight with no help from Brian.
05:29:52
Brian Atlas>> Sure, Rachel. Yeah, I think it's fair. >> Sure, Diana. Sure, Drianna. Sure, D. Rachel. >> Dr. I think it's fair if you're directing criticisms towards me that at that moment I can engage specifically on
05:30:05
Brian Atlasthat. But here, let >> you asked questions about your show. Of course, I had to answer them. Well, I think it was it was related to something you had brought up specifically. >> Look in the monitor at your face. Look how smug. Yeah. You sit here like this
05:30:18
Rachel Wilsonand you go, >> "Uh, having good posture." >> Here, wait. Let me >> No, it's your face. Your face does like a >> Because I find >> And if you read the comments of your last appearance, all anybody said was,
05:30:31
Rachel Wilson"She's insufferable. She's so smug. She's so arrogant." And it's like, >> I've demonstrated to you that you're wrong on multiple accounts and you just stonewall, obvious ignore >> because you're wrong on the fact that uh you should not be allowed to vote.
05:30:45
Driena SixtoPeriod. >> That's your opinion. You don't have anything to back it up. That's just your opinion. >> Why should women be able to vote? >> Because women and men have equal inherent value. And so therefore,
05:30:56
Rachel Wilson>> again, the is gap. This is why people are like in the comments begging me to force you to answer the isot gap because you're like they should because they should because they should. That's what you're saying. Women should be able to
05:31:07
Rachel Wilsonvote because women should be able to vote because women are because because and you just repeat. That's not an argument, darling. >> You're very pretty. Okay, you're very pretty, but that's going to run out at a certain point. >> We have a right to
05:31:20
Rachel Wilson>> that goes away when you get older. So, you have to learn to use your brain. Do you understand? So you can't say women should vote cuz women should vote cuz women should vote because they should because they should. That's not an
05:31:32
Driena Sixtoargument. You didn't even make an argument this whole time. >> Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, which used to be property. Um >> we have a right. We have a right. That's we have a right. We have a right because
05:31:44
Driena Sixtowe have a right because we have a right because we have a right in the US Constitution. That's why should we let everyone vote? because it is what is morally correct >> based on what?
05:31:57
Rachel Wilson>> Natural law. Natural rights which you don't want to accept. >> No. Natural no reason. Natural law does not say everyone gets a vote. It literally says that nature works in a hierarchy and that there's patriarchy.
05:32:09
Driena SixtoThat's what natural law says. So you are in our US Constitution which I believe in and support. >> I'm done. Brian actually mentions and
05:32:19
Driena Sixtooutlines the chats and do clothes that are just going to come from you know and from natur because we should because Rachel the problem is not an argument the problem
05:32:31
Rachel Wilsonis you're not convincing >> go back to school and learn how to make an argument >> you're not convincing anybody you're not convincing anyone of anything well actually no you've convinced everybody that you are arrogant and
05:32:44
Rachel Wilsoninsufferable that you're incorrect You're ignorant and you're way worse than I thought you were going to be in this debate. I thought you would come with something better than women should be able to vote because women should be able to because they should. >> I thought somebody closing 50 would be a
05:32:59
SPEAKER_02less >> I'm 45 now. Come on. Let's not Let's not PUSH IT. CLOSING 50. COME ON. I'M 45. YEAH, you're pushing 40 over there. >> Would be a lot less uh emotional in
05:33:11
Rachel Wilsontheir arguments. >> Yes, you got me. I'm very emotional. more logical arguments instead of just trying to >> Honey, I just demonstrated to you what logic is and you can't comprehend it. You can't even understand what I'm saying.
05:33:23
SPEAKER_02>> Uh, are you are we ready for for >> Yeah, let's do it. I love her telling me about logic. It's almost as good as when she was telling Andrew about logic and it's like, >> yeah, where he where he I I love that part where
05:33:35
SPEAKER_02>> Andrew is an actual legian. >> He uh you also couldn't define hypocrisy last time. >> No, he did define hypocrisy. He defined it correctly. No, he did not. Yes, he did. He did not. >> Yes, he did.
05:33:47
Rachel Wilson>> Did not could not understand the basis. >> This is why you don't let women vote. There is no amount of reasoning, logic, um talking to them, explaining, demonst it doesn't matter. She's right because she's right because it's her pre what it
05:33:59
Rachel Wilsoncomes down to is her preference. She prefers things a certain way and therefore it is because it is because it is. And that's you'll never get past that. She's got like a intellectual ceiling that forbids her from understanding anything past I want
05:34:11
Driena Sixtobecause I want because I want and it is because it is. >> Uh I suggest people go on my >> we should go if you guys want to go on my social media platforms especially
05:34:22
Driena SixtoInstagram and we can and you can watch the debate between myself and her uh husband on those topics. >> Well, you know what we're going to do and judge for yourself. I don't know if Andrew comments I don't know if Andrew is still watching but Andrew We'll get
05:34:35
SPEAKER_02you a one v one with Andrew. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> We'll get you a one v one with Andrew. >> Don't do that to my poor husband. >> Here. Look. >> Why do you hate him, Brian? What are you doing? >> What can I say? I'm a sist. Um but uh or
05:34:48
Brian Atlasa massochist. I don't know. I don't know which one. Probably a little bit of a uh we're all glutton for punishment, I guess. But um here's what we'll do. We have some we'll we have some uh reads
05:35:00
Brian Atlasthat we have to do. We have some super chats, but we keep uh we keep getting a little distracted. So, we'll do closing now and then we'll save the reads uh for after the closing statement so we can at
05:35:13
Brian Atlasleast get through the closing statements. So, for those watching, if you want to ask a question, leave a statement. Uh I we do have some that are in the pipeline. Those of you who are
05:35:23
Brian Atlaspatiently waiting, we'll get to those. $10 display, $100 read. Drop us a follow Prime Twitter.tv whatever. Drop us a like. Uh like the video. Buy Rachel
05:35:32
Brian AtlasWilson's book. Oh my god, my mic almost dropped. Uh Ault Feminism. Amazon.com or >> Amazon.com. >> Amazon. Amazon. Uh you can buy her book there. Also, Debbun University. If you want to learn how to become a master debater, >> you scream at the mic. That's how you do
05:35:47
Brian Atlasit. >> Debate University.com. Okay. So, let's do closing statements. I believe uh you get to go first with your closing statement and then Rachel will
05:35:59
Driena Sixtogo second. Go ahead. >> Sure. My closing statement would be that uh again rights are are natural. Um men and women deserve uh equal voting
05:36:10
Driena Sixtorights. That's basically it. And saying that women deserve equal voting rights and financial rights as men does not a
05:36:20
Driena Sixtofeminist make. um by that definition which you like to put upon pretty much everybody then most people would be uh called feminist and I think you do the
05:36:32
Driena Sixtomovement the conservative movement a disservice uh pretty much by advocating for relinquishing women's rights as a whole and if you don't agree with like
05:36:44
Driena Sixtoyou said a constitutional republic if you don't agree with women's voting rights if you don't agree with women not having financial independence. May I
05:36:54
Driena Sixtosuggest visit Iran, go live there, one-way ticket anywhere else in the world where women don't have rights and actually practice what you preach. Uh and also don't vote like you said you
05:37:06
Driena Sixtohave before and that like how you said you will continue to do in the future. Um I actually walk the walk and talk the talk. Uh I practice what I preach. Um,
05:37:17
Driena Sixtoand I think that is what proves that, uh, my ideas, my ideas stand. So, uh, just like I would tell a Kami that lives in the US, if you don't like it here, if
05:37:29
Driena Sixtoyou don't like our values, go to Cuba, go to Venezuela, anywhere else in the world. Um, that's what I would recommend. Go somewhere or set up your
05:37:39
Driena Sixtoown country, call it whatever you want, where uh, women don't have equal values to men. Me on the other hand, I'm actually going to make arguments that
05:37:50
Driena Sixtohelp people come to our side uh rather than tell them the solution is you don't get a right to vote. That is illogical. It's never going to happen. Um and so
05:38:01
Driena Sixtoit's a non-solution. It's just a grifting talking point. That's my closing statement. >> All right. Thank you very much for that, Rachel, if you'd like to give yours.
05:38:13
Rachel Wilson>> Yeah. So all we heard for the last several hours was contradictions, logical fallacies, conflation, um just a total contradiction machine.
05:38:23
Rachel WilsonShe would make libertarian arguments and say, "I want individualism. I don't want the government involved." And then make arguments where she'd say, "The government needs to come in and equalize things."
05:38:34
Rachel WilsonJust lots of obfuscation, stonewalling. Um no actual arguments at all. She doesn't even understand what an argument is. An argument is not just asserting your opinion. You have to have a
05:38:46
Rachel Wilsongrounding foundation behind what your opinion is. And you have to be able to demonstrate it and point out that the other person has incoherencies or inconsistencies in their worldview. Not
05:38:57
Rachel Wilsononly did she fail to do that, but she just resorted to being obnoxious as I So, basically everything I predicted in my opening is exactly what happened. She came to a debate um completely unarmed.
05:39:10
Rachel WilsonLike I said, if this was a beauty pageant, she'd do great. Unfortunately, debating is not her forte, and after this, I expect she'll fade back into relative obscurity among the sea of conservative MAGA Barbaries who are out
05:39:21
Rachel Wilsonthere just posting these same garbage talking points that haven't helped anyone or done anything to move us in a direction we want to go. Certainly not as conservatives because, as we
05:39:31
Rachel Wilsondemonstrated, she is most certainly not a conservative. So, uh, this idea that my job as a woman is to maintain the image and the PR status of the
05:39:42
Rachel Wilsonsisterhood at the cost of truth is I understand why it rubs a lot of women the wrong way. I understand that it makes them uncomfortable. I do not care. And the reason I do not care
05:39:52
Rachel Wilsonis because the undeniable result of almost 100 years of feminism is that children are growing up in broken homes. They are growing up without their dads in a lot of cases. They're growing up
05:40:04
Rachel Wilsonbeing raised in daycarees because moms think that they need to work and they prioritize career over their own children. They outsource the most important thing they can do with their lives to some random daycare worker wage
05:40:15
Rachel Wilsonslave and let the state raise their kids in public schools. And I'm not going to ever sacrifice the well-being of children on the altar of feminism so that people like Drianna can feel good
05:40:27
Rachel Wilsonabout her life choices or whatever it is that she wants. Um, I've been super consistent. All my arguments were coherent. I had grounding and foundation for all of them. I had history and facts
05:40:38
Rachel Wilsonon my side, but I'm also able to actually articulate why things ought be the case and poke all kinds of holes in her baseless assertions. So, um, yeah,
05:40:49
Rachel Wilsonthis reminds me a lot of her telling me, uh, please don't come on here and say the truth about women if it makes them look bad because it gives up the game. Reminds me a lot of Susan B. Anthony and
05:41:00
Rachel WilsonElizabeth Katie Stanton preventing women from being able to vote on whether or not they wanted the vote. If you don't know that, it's actually a fact. Women always voted in referendums not to pass
05:41:11
Rachel Wilsonthe 19th. Women overwhelmingly voted against giving women voting rights. And it wasn't because they don't like women. It was because they didn't want everyone to vote. So there's there should be massive restrictions on voting. Not just
05:41:24
Rachel Wilsonwomen, but people who are taking more from the system than they're getting back. people who weren't born here. There's all kinds of restrictions. You probably should have to pass a civics test. You should probably have to pass
05:41:36
Rachel Wilsontests on basic knowledge about government. So, it's not only women. However, I do think that letting women does letting women vote against their husbands vote, separates families. It pits the sexes against each other. If we
05:41:49
Rachel Wilsondo care about families and intact marriages and getting men and women back on the same page, we've got to stop with the delusions about the women's liberation stuff and that it could ever
05:42:00
Rachel Wilsonexist in a world without the technology and the simps that allow it. So, I'm going to say what's true regardless of whether or not the sisterhood likes it. >> Fantastic.
05:42:12
Brian Atlas>> All right, we're going to let some chats come through here. remind you guys, I I wanted to hold some of the display chats just while they were giving their closing statements. $10 for display,
05:42:24
Brian Atlas$100 read. If you've enjoyed the stream, like the video. Let's get into some of the chats. We have craftsman ethos fem being a tone police. Please remember
05:42:34
Brian Atlasyou're being allowed to talk right now by man Brian. >> Okay. Thank you for your super chat, Craftsman. >> That's hilarious. >> Uh appreciate that. Thank you, Craftsman. Guys, W's in the chat for all
05:42:47
Brian Atlasthese supporters tonight. Christopher Scott, thank you for your super chat, Chris. That's wrong. Most men who watch realize that Californian women and fem women
05:42:59
Brian Atlas>> such as yourself are retorted. >> It's like the combination of tortoise and Uh, thank you for that,
05:43:07
Brian AtlasChristopher Scott. I do appreciate that. Uh, we have solo rob who invited the fake blonde Camala hair. Oh, sorry. This is below the threshold.
05:43:20
SPEAKER_02I apologize. That should have just been a display. Oopsie. >> Oopsie. Oops. Oopsy. >> Oopsie. She's as blonde as she is conservative. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
05:43:31
Driena Sixto>> Why did you accidentally post some of the ones that are calling out Rachel and you? >> We have >> Yeah. Oopsie. >> What? There's plenty of low threshold
05:43:43
Rachel Wilsoncomments that uh >> Well, it has to if they're talking it has to be about >> I noticed one of your good friends posting. >> Well, not just my friends, but >> No, like your bestie from your Instagram was posting. >> I saw him on there, too. So,
05:43:56
SPEAKER_02>> uh >> as well. So, you've got your little trolls in the chat, too. Don't trolls, you know, actual followers and supporters. >> Wait, hold on. Uh okay, we have >> By the way, what's that whole thing like?
05:44:08
Rachel Wilson>> Hold on, hold on, hold on. >> MAGA women. I feel like that's just out of envy is, you know, the blonde ma. >> No, they all jumped on this grifting train. Like there's one named Patriot
05:44:19
Rachel WilsonBarbie who did this. Um there's a whole bunch of these girls that were like, "Oh my god, Trump. I'm MAGA. Come to my Instagram and look at pictures of me in my Star Spangled bikini. I love Trump."
05:44:29
Brian AtlasIt's definitely like a phenomenon. Would you call the host at Fox or, you know, really his voice? >> Immaterial. Objection. Immaterial. Objection. Relevant. Uh, meme bird to
05:44:40
Brian Atlasfem. If you didn't have breakfast today, how would you feel? >> Lighter. >> And what do men need to do to fix it? To
05:44:49
Brian AtlasRachel, you're awesome. And Andrew has a great beard. Uh, memb
05:44:56
Brian Atlassoldier. I don't see why Nitwit is complaining about Brian bringing on dumb girls. He platformed you twice. Show a little gratitude, honey. Okay, there you go.
05:45:08
Driena Sixto>> I think Brian is is grateful for all of the uh all of the donations. >> That is that is true. I'm very >> for bringing me on the show or else it would not have been as >> I mean we could have put honestly we
05:45:20
Driena Sixtocould have put another feminist in that chair. >> Nobody really triggers or apparently you've told me that. Nobody's triggered you as much as I have in the last show. >> I didn't I don't think I said that.
05:45:31
Rachel WilsonAlthough to be fair, you were. Uh, >> she's very special. >> Ruff my feathers. >> She's a very special and very important person. >> You did ruffle my feathers a little bit, but um
05:45:42
SPEAKER_00>> uh Oh, I missed some. Hold on. We have Flavius. >> Oh, as a TTS. >> Flavius_ASinus has donated $200.
05:45:52
Brian AtlasNow, this Puser has modicum of modesty. >> All right. Thank you for that, Flavius. We have Dofus. uh which will be delayed that I'll just
05:46:02
Brian Atlasread it now again. Fix my toilet and then sit down. Rachel is right. That is from Dofus. From Dofus. He wants you to fix his toilet. He wants
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Rachel Wilson>> That's a great point we didn't get to touch on. I'll believe that she wants equality when she demands equality in dirty, difficult, and dangerous jobs. Until then, Until then, you're full of You don't want equality. Men can
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Rachel Wilsonhire women to cook for them and clean for them. And women can hire men to >> Okay. Well, where's all the women volunteering to clean sewers and pick up trash? Why would they do logging? Well, they want equality. Why don't they want to do all the dirty, dangerous, difficult stuff?
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Rachel Wilson>> They want equal choice. Rachel, there's a difference. >> They've always had equal choice. >> Uh yeah, they can choose to go. >> They could choose to do those things before. They could choose to do whatever they
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Rachel Wilsonwanted before. Feminism just forced everybody to make them. You're the one that's trying to force people into one thing or the other, Rachel. >> I think women should be mothers, but they can also be whatever the heck else
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Rachel Wilsonthey want to. >> Did I say they couldn't? No, I never said that. Of course, they shouldn't. >> I said they can do that after they fulfill their duty to society. >> I Yeah, >> you can you can do more than one thing.
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Brian AtlasYes, I agree with you. >> Uh, okay. We have uh he sent it in twice, I guess. Joe Blow >> Joe Blow donated $200.
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SPEAKER_00Now this has a modicum of modesty. Typical. >> I don't even The sentence is not coherent. >> I've been doing this. We've been here
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Brian Atlaslike what five hours now? >> Yeah, we're just there's a few chats that are finishing up. We have Joss Tomron. You can boil the vote issue down
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Brian Atlasto the fact that men are forced to go to war if need be. Women have got the comfort of the vote without the responsibility on top of abandoning
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Driena Sixtotheir procreating. >> Uh I am not in favor of any kind of draft or men being >> doesn't matter. We live in reality and we have a draft. We have a draft though. You're not getting rid of it and it's
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SPEAKER_02not going anywhere. >> Yes, that can actually that there's >> Oh, now things can change. Brian that actually another contradiction that is
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SPEAKER_02more realistic. um than women having their right to vote taken away. >> That wouldn't be perpetually binding. Like, okay, you get rid of the draft, but >> war is not going away. So, the draft is
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Rachel Wilsonnot going away. Definitely not. Even if they >> I don't think it'll ever be used because of like you mentioned, >> wait, we're closer. That's crazy. The >> You don't think >> Did you just see how many men were killed in Russia and Ukraine over the
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Driena Sixtopast few years? I'm talking about technology did not Rachel >> it would be the same thing if we were Iran >> we have service people who are being killed right now there >> which I disagree with but I'm saying my
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Rachel Wilsonargument is that we are not going to invoke a draft anytime how can you say that >> you can't say that there's we're going to in fact it's inevitable that we will again at some point okay it's inevitable that we will
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Rachel Wilson>> well we'll see if we're all >> she just lives in dulu land where she has she has normaly bias in her lifetime this is how it's always been therefore it's always going to be that way so another fallacy the normaly bias
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Rachel Wilson>> statistical probability >> no it's not statistics >> you have no statistics to back that up you just keep asserting guard >> wait Rachel wouldn't statistics >> are we done since we just >> statistics would bear out that we're
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Brian Atlasgoing to probably have a >> arguments but we also allow people to have some chats come through but wouldn't the statistical
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Driena Sixtostatistically there have in >> the fact that we have construct that doesn't require boots on the ground like we did in previous wars.
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Driena Sixto>> Women think that because they have no idea. You have no idea about war years. It's going to be drones. It's going to be drones. >> Yeah. It's all going to be drones. >> It's going to be electrical grids going
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Brian Atlasdown. It's going to be cyber warfare. It's going to be that kind of stuff. >> That'll be a component. But >> you're still going to have men killing each other. Why are there currently people in the military like actual humans in the military? >> There's still some jobs that can't be
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Brian Atlasfilled by >> just can you put that on the ground >> uh AI or or >> Oh my Okay, that's crazy. That's crazy. >> Not going to be the case. >> Sure. >> So, even if we were to grant that there
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Brian Atlaswill never be a draft again, uh it is still a prerequisite for men to have access to the vote. And if they don't register for the selective service, technically a felony, $250,000 fine.