Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate | Whatever Debates 26
Date: 2026-03-29
Duration: 6h 07m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Driena Sixto(guest)
SPEAKER_03Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:16
IntroBrian introduces debate: Rachel Wilson vs Driena Sixto
00:25:17
Key MomentRachel: if women didn't vote, there would never be another Democrat president
01:43:03
Key MomentRachel demolishes economic argument for low birth rates: poorest people have most children
02:25:30
QuoteDriena's closing: suggests Rachel take one-way trip to Iran if she doesn't like women's rights
05:38:09
QuoteRachel's closing: Driena came unarmed to a debate. If it was a beauty pageant she'd do great.
Topics Discussed
00:25:17
Women's Suffrage and 19th Amendment
Central debate. Rachel argues women shouldn't vote. Driena argues voting is inherent right.
00:45:23
Prenuptial Agreements
Extended debate between Rachel and Driena on prenups and financial independence in marriage.
01:02:10
Pornography: Ban or Free Speech?
Rachel advocates criminalizing porn. Driena opposes banning despite agreeing its harmful.
01:38:32
Birth Rate Collapse
Rachel argues women's access to education is #1 correlate to declining birth rates.
02:42:09
Force and Patriarchy
Rachel argues rights only exist because men with force grant them.
Transcript
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03:53:12
Driena Sixtoeasier. So we get um according to you uh we get our rights from men right like what actually happens in society is because men are the guarantoars
03:53:22
Driena Sixto>> it's because men allow it or or don't allow it so if men you know wanted to get rid of this pornography problem they technically could they have the numbers
03:53:34
Rachel Wilsonfor it why has that not happened Rachel >> well I'm glad you asked it's the same reason that the 19th amendment got passed it's the same reason that liberal and progressive agendas as a whole have passed. And I talked to Joe Rogan about
03:53:46
Rachel Wilsonthis when I was on his show. >> It's the beta males. It's the simps. >> Do you think so? Are you calling the audience beta males and simps? Because >> not the whatever audience they wouldn't be watching. >> They're not watching. Statistically speaking, you don't think a good
03:53:59
Rachel Wilsonpercentage of them watch porn? >> They might be, but I'll tell you this is you you asked why the men. No, I'm not. Because you asked why are the men allowing it? the men who are in power, the men who are in charge. Why are they
03:54:12
Rachel Wilsonallowing it? >> Because it's it's a little thing called a they're called sneaky And they are men who as a mating strategy. They're they don't do well with women naturally. So they have to be like, "Hey
03:54:24
Rachel Wilsonladies, I'm on your side. I love women's rights. I think sex work is real work." And they take all these like left feminist positions. And it's a way of making themselves seem undangerous so they can get close to women, become
03:54:36
Rachel Wilsonfriends with women, and then the hope is that eventually you'll break up with your boyfriend and have a bad night where you're drunk and let him hit it. That's that's the sneaky strategy. And a lot of wealthy uh nerds,
03:54:48
Rachel Wilsonyou know, during the progressive era got a lot of power and a lot of money and they wanted to tax women and all these things that we already talked about. And so they passed this agenda by pandering to women and pretending to be your
03:54:58
Rachel Wilsonfriend, pretending to care of the men. Right now, what we have is because of democracy, women are voting in a lot of these more progressive males, leftist males and
03:55:11
Rachel Wilsonwomen. So, now we've got a bunch of women in government. We've got a bunch of leftist men in government. So, there is probably a lot of conservative Republican men who would ban and have tried to bring bills to the floor to ban
03:55:23
Rachel Wilsononly fans, to restrict pornography, but they can't because the sneaky and the feminists go, "That's not fair. You can't tell you can't tell Sarah that she can't put her butthole on the
03:55:33
Driena Sixtointernet for $5.99. You're denying her rights. They argue on the basis of rights. >> Okay. You think that uh a majority of women would be against banning
03:55:44
Driena Sixtopornography. When pornography causes infidelity reason and is the reason why a lot of relationships and marriages fail, I think most women would be in favor of banning pornography.
03:55:57
Driena Sixto>> Probably be about a 50/50 split. It would also because it would probably also because it's a minority of the population that engages in producing it.
03:56:06
Driena SixtoLess than 1% of the population. So most women have no uh stake in the game. They could quite literally just, you know, vote against >> kids are texting me even while I'm here.
03:56:17
Driena Sixto>> Same thing with uh with men. If a majority of men actually were against this, they could, you know, unite and and ban it. But the reality that we live
03:56:28
Driena Sixtoin unfortunately is that people are not being accountable to themselves. To themselves and that is why they're not even going to go towards the next step which is making things >> you're wrong and I can prove it. You're
03:56:41
Rachel Wilsonwrong and I can prove it. So >> go >> pornography was illegal until really recently >> until like 50 years ago. Yeah. And Anthony Commtock was a conservative man
03:56:53
Rachel Wilsonin the government who passed the Commtock Act and the Commtock laws that made all that stuff illegal. >> Those people got pushed out of the government when we gave women the vote.
03:57:04
Rachel WilsonWhen we gave women the vote, we got more leftists, more progressives, and females in government. And now in our government, we have a large majority of
03:57:14
Rachel Wilsonwomen, leftist and moderate men and women who are going to argue against doing this. And it and we've shoved the actual masculine conservative men who would try to do this sort of thing off
03:57:27
Driena Sixtointo the corner and told them you can't do that because you're taking away women's rights. Do you think do you think men have uh in or do you think men's character is inherently good
03:57:39
Driena Sixtobecause of the fact that they are men or that they should be respected because of the fact that they are men or because of the way that they act? >> Totally different question. So is men's
03:57:50
Driena Sixtocharacter inherit? Why should why should uh women, you know, respect men just as a result of them being men when the majority of men don't respect
03:58:02
Driena Sixtothemselves? And I'm saying majority because a majority of men do consume pornography voluntarily. So why would so why would women trust these kinds of men
03:58:12
Driena Sixtoto lead society unfortunately uh and make decisions that are you know better for us? My argument is that again it comes back to the responsibility. >> But you ask me a question. So we're
03:58:25
Driena Sixtogonna let answer the question. >> It goes back to the responsibility of the individual when it comes to all of these things because tomorrow they ban pornography and the next day they're going to create some other kind of vice
03:58:36
Driena Sixtothat people can go for. >> That's such such like what >> and it is up to the individual to going on a diet tribe and you're just okay. You ask me a question. Can I answer it?
03:58:49
Rachel WilsonOr are you just going to woman prattle the whole night? >> Uh, that's what you've been doing much. >> Yeah, I I have a loudspeaking voice. I'm very animated. You got me. I talk like this all Anybody who's seen me on any
03:59:02
Rachel Wilsonpodcast ever knows like this is just how I talk. >> Um, >> hysterical. >> It's It's not hysterical. I'm having fun. I'm winning. I'm having a great time. I I wouldn't do this if I wasn't
03:59:13
Rachel Wilsonhaving fun. This is fun for me. I'm having a great time. So, no. I'm just enthusiastic. I'm passionate. That's not the you you're crashing out, Rachel. You're hysterical. >> I'm glad you're having fun. >> Everybody can watch this and they can
03:59:25
Driena Sixtoall see it. So, you're not gonna >> I'm glad you're having fun. Uh if it were just a few years back, somebody like >> somebody like yourself, >> somebody being excited and happy and passionate is going to get a lobotomy.
03:59:38
Brian AtlasYeah, I know. Are you going to just keep repeating your same five things? Okay. Can I answer her question? >> Both of us, Rachel. Both of us. This is just >> Let me let some chats come in. But we are we are coming up here on the
03:59:50
Brian Atlas4hour mark. >> I wanted to just answer a question. >> Let me know when are we closing. >> Really quick before you you do that. Uh because we are coming up on the 4 hour
03:59:59
Brian Atlasmark. Uh are you guys wanting to get to closing or we can continue on on some more prompts? I'll leave it up to you guys. >> Um I think I mean I think that we've
04:00:10
Brian Atlasdiscussed most of the things that we >> Yeah. So let's do some chats. Um, let me let some chats come through. Rachel, if you can just keep that thought in the back of your mind, uh, and we can get to
04:00:22
Brian Atlasthat. We have every guy here, uh, we are depressed from women like you telling us we aren't worth anything. Quick response to that. >> That is very sad. That is not true. I'm
04:00:33
Driena Sixtotelling you that the manosphere is telling you that you're not worth anything. >> What is the What is the manosphere? >> Yeah. people like uh you know the Myron Gains shows and they tell you you know you need to be making a million dollars
04:00:45
Driena Sixtoa year to have a family otherwise you're a loser doesn't say that. >> Um and so I >> Hold on a minute. I know Myin and he does not say that. >> I disagree with with that concept. I think >> Well, you're disagreeing with a straw
04:00:57
Driena Sixtoman because that's not the argument that Myin ever makes. He doesn't tell men that. There's plenty of men in the manosphere that say, uh, you know, you have to be making a million dollars to consider yourself a man. All I'm saying
04:01:10
Driena Sixtois that you have >> Who says that? >> There's plenty. >> She doesn't know. She's just heard. She's like totally heard it. Yes, actually. Yes, actually. But no. >> Is Andrew Wilson in the manosphere? >> Uh, I don't watch his stuff, so I don't
04:01:24
Driena Sixtoknow. >> Wait, Andrew Wilson? You debated with him? >> Yes, I know. I don't know what he says outside of like what we talked about on the whatever podcast. >> Um, >> well, what do you if you were leaning in one way or the other?
04:01:37
SPEAKER_02>> She said I was in the manosphere. So, >> is Rachel in the manosphere? >> I I I do believe so because again Rachel >> I can tell you right now they don't claim me. Okay. They don't claim
04:01:49
Driena Sixto>> it's actually just really you and that Pearl uh girl that >> you as in Rachel. >> Yeah, you Rachel Pearl. I think you two are really the only women I've seen on these red pill podcasts basically agreeing. >> What red pill podcast have I been on
04:02:03
SPEAKER_02ever? >> Uh with most of the men's talking points. >> Are you just going to sit here and lie right to my face? What red pill podcast have I ever been on? Tell me. >> Again, back to >> Okay, she's just going to lie. She's proving she doesn't know anything about
04:02:17
Driena Sixtome at all. >> Again, for the men watching this that think uh women are saying that men don't have inherent value. Uh, not true. Again, make yourself uh, >> she's saying your inherent value is to do what she wants.
04:02:30
Rachel Wilson>> No, based on a >> If you were doing what women want, then you have inherent value. But if not, then you're a bad man. You're not doing good enough. You need to be better and do better. And then the women would be better.
04:02:42
Driena Sixto>> Be somebody that leads. Don't watch pornography. Take care of your health. That's all women want. Be a competent person. Be a responsible adult. >> Might ask basically. Might I ask one clarifying question? You say be a man
04:02:55
Driena Sixtowho leads. >> Are you talking on the micro or the macro level? >> On the on both, but prim but it has to start individually first. So yes, lead your own life. Take control of your own life and then you can
04:03:07
Driena Sixto>> So should men lead the government? >> She going to tell you how to be a real man and then you can take leadership roles in the government. Yes, absolutely. >> She's not a feminist, but she's got a whole list of what she's going to tell you you need to be doing as a man, but
04:03:19
Driena Sixtonot a feminist. If a man told me good things for me, that just would be better. It doesn't matter if a man is telling me that. >> Oh, really? I have this sneaking suspicion that if Brian started rattling
04:03:32
Rachel Wilsonoff to you a bunch of things he thought you needed to be doing better, you'd be like, "Who are you to be telling me? I'm not going to do this." >> I know. >> I'm pretty sure that's what we'd get. >> If a man told me, "Hey, you know, you
04:03:43
Driena Sixtoneed to take care." This is all I'm saying. Take care of your uh physical health. you know, don't engage in any vices, uh, be chased, you know, uh,
04:03:55
Driena Sixtodon't have, don't be sexually promiscuous, all of these are good things to prescribe for women as well as men, why would I not listen to that? It doesn't matter who the messenger is, what's important is the message. So if
04:04:07
Rachel Wilsonmen tell you, look, I don't think you should be involved in politics because you can't defend the nation, you can't protect the borders, you can't do the things that people in the government have to necessarily do. So I think you
04:04:19
Rachel Wilsonshouldn't vote. You're going to be like, "Okay, no, you're not. You're going to do what you want cuz you're a strong woman. You don't have to cuz some simp out there will come by and and protect you from the bad man telling you what to
04:04:31
Driena Sixtodo." Because again it's about the message not the messenger is my argument here. Rachel, >> can I ask you one one question though just on the leading thing? >> If if your argument is that both on the
04:04:44
Brian Atlasmicro and the macro level men should be leaders. What if within the purview of men's leadership they make a determination uh and this isn't my position but Rachel was for forwarding this uh they make a determination that
04:04:57
Brian Atlaswomen shouldn't have the right to vote. Would you follow in said leadership? >> Uh, nope. Because again, >> so just to be clear, when men lead, you you have veto power over their
04:05:11
SPEAKER_02leadership. >> Yes. If she doesn't like it, >> the >> So lead me when I'm in the mood to be led. >> A majority of people agree with you, you can lead. >> If a majority
04:05:23
Driena Sixto>> that makes you the leader, you realize that, right? If a majority of people decide on one thing that is wrong, it doesn't make said thing right. Right. >> Oh, so the majority decides what's moral.
04:05:34
Driena Sixto>> No, that's exactly what I said is not the case. If a major a majority does not decide what is moral. So if a majority >> who decides what's moral? >> That's what you and I disagree on. I
04:05:45
Driena Sixtothink morality is something or the understanding of what is right from wrong is inherent within humans. You disagree? >> Clearly not. you disagree with. >> The fact that we have more people in
04:05:56
Driena Sixtoprison than any country in the world would prove you wrong. If everybody just inherently understood right from wrong, we wouldn't have any of these problems. >> I think people understand it just because they choose to engage in things
04:06:09
Rachel Wilsonthey know are wrong. That is a completely separate. >> So you think that women who advocate strongly for abortion rights know theft. >> You think they know abortion is wrong. They just won't admit it to themselves. >> People know theft is wrong but they
04:06:21
Rachel Wilsonstill steal. >> No, there are legitimately there are legitimately people disagree with that because >> but socialists, Marxists, communists think if you have more than you need and
04:06:33
Rachel WilsonI don't I am justified in stealing from you. And that is a large a lot of people. >> Uh okay. That's >> people who have run countries. >> Yes. Which I disagree with. But >> we would both disagree.
04:06:45
Driena Sixto>> My argument is that people know that it's inherently wrong. >> So you think they know, but they just >> but they just do what's convenient to them. Absolutely. >> I believe people when they tell me who they are. And I think that communists do
04:06:57
Rachel Wilsonthink, hey, you have a ton of money. You have a ton of money and that's why I don't have money and so I need to take it. Yes. I think they do believe that. Okay, th this is just differing values. I think that they know
04:07:09
Rachel Wilson>> I thought you talk to people all the time about this. >> So you just think everybody secretly knows what's right and wrong and the only reason they argue against it is because they're like >> benefits them in certain cases. Yeah.
04:07:21
Rachel Wilson>> Oh, kind of like you arguing in favor of feminism even though you know it's when have I argued in >> this whole podcast. >> In favor of feminism. >> You have argued for feminism this whole podcast. Yes, you have. Uh, again, my
04:07:34
Rachel Wilsononly two points, Rachel, >> what do you think is feminism, then? And you said, I don't care about the definition, but I want you to define it. What's feminism? >> I'll tell you what it's not. >> How do you know you're not a feminist? >> I'll tell you what it's not if you don't
04:07:45
Driena Sixtoknow what it is. Let me speak, Rachel. Um, I'll tell you what it's not. Feminism is not uh wanting women to have a vote and financial equality.
04:07:56
Rachel Wilson>> Just more Just more. >> What is the is feminism? >> 90. Would you say >> what is feminist? If you're against feminism, what is it that you're against? >> Rachel, is everybody a feminist?
04:08:08
Rachel Wilson>> No. Answer my question. Don't ask me a question. Answer my question. >> Andrew knows uh >> Don't ask me a question. Answer my question. What is feminism? If you say you're not a feminist, >> the question,
04:08:21
Driena Sixto>> you can't dodge that question. It's the heart of the debate. Material to the conversation. >> What do I think modern feminism is right
04:08:28
Driena Sixtonow? It is promoting uh trans rights, just things that have nothing to do with equality between the sexes, but pushing
04:08:39
Driena Sixtothings that give privileges to women above uh the sexes. So, modern feminism argues for privileges for women, not for equality. Equality between the sexes is
04:08:51
Driena Sixtonot feminism. Does that make sense to you? Does that answer your question? So would you say you would be in favor of like firstwave feminism then? >> The only thing I agree with is voting
04:09:02
Driena Sixtorights. So legal equality, legal personhood is that so hard of a concept. Anything outside of that I don't care for don't agree with and I think is you
04:09:13
Driena Sixtoarguing for privileges in society which I I don't agree with and I don't agree with feminism as a result. Most women, Democrat, Republican,
04:09:23
Driena Sixtowhatever, uh agree with the concept that women should have the right to vote and uh equal financial. Um >> Okay, I understand all of that. You've told me all of that. So, at least you
04:09:35
Driena Sixtogave me the.9% of the women uh are feminists. Everybody is a feminist but you, Rachel. >> Yes, we have been lit. No, not everybody but me. >> Okay. You you and Pearl are >> anyone born Okay, now let me answer your
04:09:48
Rachel Wilsonquestion. Uh-huh. >> Anyone born after 1960 has been living and swimming in feminist water their whole life. They don't know anything else. It's the ethos. It's the I wasn't. >> It's the air that we breathe.
04:10:01
Rachel Wilson>> I was raised in a Cuban household by immigrant parents that escaped communism. So, no, I did not. But continue. >> Well, but you live and were raised in and are part of this culture and none of us completely escaped that. Everything
04:10:13
Rachel Wilsonyou've said from your worldview here, you think it's equality. But let me let me posit this to you. Women there was already equality before this political feminism is just a
04:10:25
Rachel Wilsonpolitical arm of like a basically a spiritual movement. Uh that's why I wrote the book. It has multiple meanings. But >> we had equality. The equality was this.
04:10:36
Rachel WilsonWomen have always been the gatekeepers of sex and who gets to reproduce. That's why every one of us alive today has twice as many female ancestors as we have male ancestors. The only thing you
04:10:47
Rachel Wilsonever had to do historically in order to be picked and have kids, which you know at a base level what we're trying to do is reproduce ourselves to get our DNA to
04:10:58
Rachel Wilsoncontinue on into the future. All you had to do as a woman to accomplish that is be fertile. Someone will fertilize you. That's all you had to do. It doesn't m you can be kind of ugly, you can be fat, you can be not so interesting. You don't have to do much. You just have to be
04:11:11
Rachel Wilsonthere and have eggs. Men historically had to survive danger. They had to have respect. They had to have resources. They had to be picked or at least be picked by the girl's father or something of that nature.
04:11:24
Rachel Wilson>> That by force. Actually, they didn't have to do any of that. They didn't have to be respect. >> Well, it depends. So, but then but even by force, you're competing against all the other men. So, that's why you had war brides. Historically, if the Vikings
04:11:35
Rachel Wilsoncould come in and conquer your nation, they could take your women. So you as a man had to defend your nation from the invaders because you don't want them to take your women because then they take her eggs and now your people are their
04:11:47
Rachel Wilsonpeople. So this is like a fundamentally historical thing that has not gone away. And what we did with feminism was we gave women more power by letting them
04:11:58
Rachel Wilsonretain the gatekeeping to sex and the gatekeeping to reproduction. And women still have their sexual power, their spiritual power that they've always used. Now they have political and legal
04:12:10
Rachel Wilsonpower and what they've done is stacked against deck against men and in doing so unwittingly stacked the deck against themselves and against humanity because now look at what we have. We have no
04:12:22
Rachel Wilsonkids. We can't replace our own population. We have to import invaders from the outside world to both Wait, just let me finish. Just let me finish. We have to We are forced like this is
04:12:33
Rachel Wilsonwhere Republicans get it wrong. If you want to stop immigration, you've got to increase the birth rate because we will not have a labor force if we don't do that. And you can't increase the labor force if you're telling women to delay
04:12:46
Rachel Wilsonchild birth and marriage in order to have a career. We are in a conundrum. It's a catch 22. And so, >> correct? >> That's why you don't focus on rights. You focus on duties and you focus on
04:12:57
Rachel Wilsonresponsibilities. You say individual responsibility, that's part of it. But part of individual responsibility is also maintaining your tribe and your community and your culture and your
04:13:08
Rachel Wilsonsociety as a whole because your individual rights will go away. We're on the edge right now of this all falling apart and then strong men will take back over and your women's rights
04:13:20
Driena Sixtowill go bye-bye. >> Okay. Uh first they need to get their testosterone levels up because right now they are decreasing on average 1% 1%
04:13:30
Driena Sixtoevery year since 19 since the 1980s. >> Uh that's really bad. >> Do you know why >> do you think men can just like what how do they just get their testosterone back
04:13:41
Driena Sixtoup? >> Be they have to focus on themselves as individuals. Rachel is what I'm trying to >> guys just focus on yourself as an individual. Your testosterone will go through the roof. Right now it is true
04:13:53
Driena Sixtothat uh outside factors are affecting this. They're poisoning our food. They're poisoning our water, our environment. >> Uh so let's focus we and we can't really do anything about that ourselves as
04:14:05
Driena Sixtoindividuals, we can't fix the problem. We can only take care of ourselves. And by taking care of ourselves as individuals, we do help society as a whole. That is my argument. >> Yeah. But what what you just did is
04:14:19
Rachel Wilsonsomething else that you've been doing all night, which is conflating the problems of postindustrialization and technology with Rights. >> Where have I mentioned industrialization or technology? I'm >> You haven't mentioned it, but you don't
04:14:31
Rachel Wilsonunderstand that the problems the problems you're putting on men and the problems you're putting on like gender inequality. That's not the root of those problems. The root of those problems is industrialization and technology. the
04:14:43
Driena Sixtosame industrialization in technology that allows you to be a feminist. >> Okay? And that's not going away anytime soon. Unfortunately or fortunately, it doesn't matter. It is reality, right? So, what are you going to do other than
04:14:55
Driena Sixto>> Well, it's a reality. When you don't like it, but when I say what's a reality, then you just go no. >> Let me finish talking on that point. It is a reality. So, what are you going to do? Just sit there and complain that we can't go back to how things were? We
04:15:07
Driena Sixtocan't do a time about going back. um because that is basically what you're prescribing and again everything that you have described still doesn't give
04:15:17
Driena Sixtoany kind of solid argument as to why you believe or not you believe as to why women should not have the right to vote which is my argument that again you're
04:15:30
Rachel Wilsonnot going to convince differently you're are I know because you're stuck you're stuck in a paradigm where everyone votes I'm saying if you take away this. You don't have to start with the
04:15:41
Rachel Wilsonpresupposition that everyone needs to be able to vote. We never did that things that way except for the last hundred years. All of human history, nobody voted. >> Nobody needs to vote.
04:15:52
Driena Sixto>> And we have a higher despite all of our problems. Uh we do have a higher quality of life right now, >> but not because of voting. This is this is what I'm saying. She's
04:16:03
Rachel Wilson>> life has improved. No, life has improved because of technology, because of advancements in things like medical care, clean water, um industry, and like globally being able to ship supplies to
04:16:15
Rachel Wilsonwhere they need to go. That's what's given us a better quality of life, not voting, voting, letting women vote. Did How did women voting improve life for us? Tell me.
04:16:25
Driena Sixto>> Rachel, you have a monocausal uh argument as to why things are out of whack. >> You have that. No, you have a monocausal
04:16:35
Driena Sixtoargument which is women's voting uh is what destroyed modern society. >> You never said women's voting. The voting is a side issue to me. >> Okay. >> There's other the main issue to me and
04:16:47
Rachel Wilsonmost but it's not to me and you keep projecting that on me. Nobody gives a about women voting. Why do you think that women don't give a about we care about the overall effects of
04:16:58
Rachel Wilsonartificially placing women in a strata of power that they have no business being in because it's deeply unnatural. >> You may not feel comfortable with that, Rachel. >> No, it's it's unnatural because they're only we're we're
04:17:12
Rachel Wilson>> it may not be natural. >> Blowing smoke up women's asses. They are only there because of a subset of men that go, "Yes, sweetie, you can be in the government. Go ahead. We'll we'll do whatever you say. There's plenty of women in the government.
04:17:23
Driena Sixto>> It's all an illusion >> for you. This is again personal opinion. There are plenty of intelligent, capable women in roles of government that uh are good at what they do and uh we respect. In fact,
04:17:36
Driena Sixto>> I'm not saying women can't be smart and use their brains and think. >> Yeah. In fact, most >> that has no bearing on the fact >> talking. God, >> you'll never finish talking. You've been saying the same thing for the last 5 hours and you don't even understand what
04:17:50
Driena Sixtoyou're talking about. a lot of women that work until in the intelligence community because you know why for a job like that you have to have both >> need voting rights >> intelligence >> you don't need voting rights
04:18:02
Driena Sixto>> emotional intelligence >> women can work in intelligence and they don't need political power >> what I'm your argument is that all women are emotional all women are irrational
04:18:12
Driena Sixtoand they are not fit for leadership roles in government you said that a 30 seconds a minute ago part of it. You You only hear one thing because your mind can only think about one thing
04:18:24
Driena Sixtoat a time. >> You're not very good at taking multiple variables and combining them. >> You No, you are actually just bad again at coping with the reality that women are not a monolith.
04:18:37
Rachel Wilson>> You're bad at coping with the reality that you only have any rights or have this illusion that you can do the things you can do because men have let you do it. Men have invented technology and granted you rights that let you do it.
04:18:50
Rachel WilsonThe reality is me. I'm the one that lives in reality and goes, "Oh, this is all an illusion." The if the Wizard of Oz wants to take it away tomorrow, it's gone. >> Okay. >> So, that's not and it's not how things
04:19:02
Driena Sixtohave worked except for the last hundred years. >> When you go back home, >> all of history was wrong except for the last century. >> Uh, I think that not even the last
04:19:12
Driena Sixtocentury. I think at least until after they passed the Equal Credit Opportunity Act in 1974, things were wrong because women didn't have financial opportunity.
04:19:24
Driena Sixto>> So then what are you trying to conserve? If everything we did before 1975 was wrong. What do you want to conserve? >> Putting words in my mouth. Why did I Why did you say everything we did wrong?
04:19:34
Driena Sixto>> I just asked you. Was all of history conducted? Things were just wrong until 1975. >> One thing was wrong. Not letting women have financial freedom was wrong. That
04:19:45
Rachel Wilsonis the thing that that >> we let them though. It was Do you not understand that it wasn't that women were denied? It's that we didn't have technology. We didn't have industry. The
04:19:56
Rachel Wilsonnatural state of things is that women cannot survive alone. We are not rugged individualists. We're meant to spend most of our life pregnant and breastfeeding and watching toddlers. That is what we're meant to do. Birth.
04:20:09
Driena SixtoNo. What about birth control? >> In your opinion, Rachel, >> prior to birth control, there was no option. There was no option. You ended up pregnant. >> Who invented birth control? It was men, Rachel, to make women more accessible
04:20:23
Driena Sixtoand disable. >> So, you think we should take away birth control because the bad men created it? >> I don't agree with the taking of hormonal birth control because it wrecks havoc on women's bodies. But again, I agree with you. You just brought up the
04:20:35
SPEAKER_02top. >> But if you do that, you realize, well, what do you think will happen? >> We need you here. >> What do you do think will happen if we need a man on this table? Brian, >> I got her to to stop. >> I got her, boys. >> To stop the interruptions.
04:20:48
Rachel Wilson>> What do you think happens if we take away from a highly hysterical woman that can't control herself or her emotions or >> Oh, that's beautiful. Cope for the for the girl who can't think past level two and has been getting her ass beat this
04:21:01
Driena Sixtowhole debate. That's so cute. >> Sure. It's a good thing you're pretty. >> Most uh most rational people watching um are going to disagree with that statement, but uh we'll see. Again, >> we'll see.
04:21:13
SPEAKER_02>> Again, uh Rachel, you still can't make >> Okay, so we take away hormonal birth control. Where where's your girl bossing going to go then? >> Uh in taking back control of our cycles, do you know? Oh, this is something that
04:21:26
Rachel Wilsonreally pissed off Brian. Who thinks that these 22year-old Only Fans chicks and these promiscuous college girls that are getting blackout drunk every weekend are going to like take a break from that when during their and they're going to
04:21:38
Rachel Wilsontake keep track of their sight. Get the out of here. That's so ridiculous. >> Very easy. >> Birth control is actually the main technology that has enabled feminism. And if you got rid of hormonal birth control tomorrow, your feminism is gone,
04:21:50
Rachel Wilsonbaby. >> So, we're both against uh hormonal birth control. >> Fastest way to get rid of feminism. fastest way to get rid rid of all this nonsense of pretending that women can run everything when they can't. >> Look at that. We are agreeing on
04:22:03
Driena Sixtosomething towards the end of this episode, but we are agreeing for different reasons. You are >> Yeah, you don't understand the logical entailment of your position as usual. >> You're arguing
04:22:14
Driena Sixtoagainst it uh because it would end feminism in your opinion. I argue against it because it is uh terrible. It's like it's like giving people poison basically.
04:22:26
Driena Sixto>> Yeah. It's almost like trying to avoid getting pregnant your whole life so you can have sex is really bad. >> Uh sure. >> Seems like that's bad. >> We agree on that same point. Um and again, it all goes back to what Rachel
04:22:39
Rachel Wilsonindividual >> and so if all the women are ending up pregnant, how many of them are going to be girl bossing? >> No. >> So, okay. I'm sure. Great. Fantastic. You'd love that. Uh there. >> Well, why do you think feminism are going to do the whole Why do you think feminism didn't come about?
04:22:53
Rachel Wilson>> Do you want me to put a timer on my phone or >> No, I just want to ask you a question. >> Why did feminism not come about until after the technology allowed it? >> Why wasn't there feminism 500 years ago?
04:23:05
Driena SixtoIf women just were dying to get out of their situation, why didn't they do something about it 200, 500,000 years ago? Well, the title may have existed only within recent historical concepts,
04:23:17
Driena Sixtobut I think throughout human history, yes, there have been rowdy women advocating for rights. Um, but even if it's not, but now feminism, >> even if it's not documented as feminism.
04:23:29
Rachel WilsonUh, yes, but now it's the dominant thing everywhere. >> The case >> everywhere in the west, feminism is the dominant thing. equal rights for women, women in politics, women in power, women
04:23:41
Rachel Wilsonin business, right? Why do you think they didn't do that until 50 years ago? >> Uh Rachel, I'm not again here to argue. >> I don't know. And I don't care because I don't like thinking about things. And I'll tell you why. Because we didn't
04:23:54
Driena Sixtohave birth control. We didn't have technology. >> Do I just like tap this? >> Well, I'm tired of just listening to you endlessly pratt. So now I'm going to prattle back a little bit. >> You've been the one most chats. >> Yeah, let's do some chats. Do some
04:24:06
Driena Sixtochats. You've been the one mostly interrupting uh during this entire time because you don't dominant because you don't have >> I'm a very dominant woman. Uh >> I don't have good arguments. No. Oh honey, I can't wait for you to read the
04:24:19
Driena Sixtocomments. >> And you don't want to listen to valid ones. So you try to >> That's so cute from somebody who went to college for politics and doesn't know she's a libertarian. That's cute.
04:24:31
Driena Sixto>> It is called the hecklers veto. So you don't let people talk. um so that people can get their point across. That's what you put a poll in the chat of who has interrupted and prattled the most. It's
04:24:43
Brian Atlasnot me. We got to the end and I was just like, "Fuck it. I'm just going to talk over her at this point." >> We actually did. Wait, really quick. We we did do a poll because I think you had asked or there was a discussion between
04:24:54
Brian Atlasthe both of you as to who would be most likely to get lobotomized >> and the results the results >> from you. >> Uh I think it was skewing quite heavily
04:25:06
Driena Sixtotowards >> you being the one to get labed. >> I'm so surprised by those results from this audience. >> Can Can you get an elective? >> Why are you such a hater? Why do you got to hate on millions of people that watch
04:25:19
Driena Sixtothis show? Are they all incelss? >> Um, if a lot of them are, uh, I'm here to try to help them not be. And >> Oh, thank God. >> And what you are >> What do we do without your help? >> And what you are prescribing them
04:25:32
Driena Sixto>> here, we got chats. We got chats. >> And what you are prescribing them is going to keep them as incelss for much much longer, Rachel. So, you're not doing them any kind of favor, >> right? >> I I doubt this, but okay. Uh, we have
04:25:45
Brian Atlasbase Justin here. So men should lead the government based on what the w the women who voted them into power want. Define leadership, please. And of course, your husband can only lead if you completely
04:25:56
Driena Sixtoagree. Got it. Tick tock. >> Mhm. Um >> quick response to this, but then I need to get through the rest of the chats >> that uh Okay. That whole argument just
04:26:07
Brian Atlasdoesn't make any sense to me. Period. Well, it was I think on the back of the question I asked you if uh >> you believe that men should lead both on the micro and the macro level. You you
04:26:20
Brian Atlasagreed to that. >> Yeah. And primarily themselves when a singular woman or women plural uh disagree with men's leadership, do you defer to their
04:26:32
Driena Sixtoleadership despite disagreeing with their decision or do you veto their >> leadership? I think uh I think that right is right and wrong is wrong. And uh what
04:26:43
Driena Sixto>> who's the arbiter of that >> facts right facts don't care about your feelings. If a man >> facts determine what's right and wrong >> if a yeah if a man you know says you
04:26:53
Driena Sixtoknow because of the fact that I am a man I determine this but this is just wrong then it's wrong. >> Would it be could it be established by consensus?
04:27:03
Driena Sixto>> It has to be verifiable uh fact right? So if a man says I don't even know what example to >> what if how about this to come up with
04:27:12
Brian Atlaswhat if all the women were in favor of open borders and men were against it and because you might have people on the left for example I mean you you're both conservative you have people on or at
04:27:24
Brian Atlasleast right >> it's it's wrong to allow open borders >> the man wants it whether the woman wants it >> but leftists will forward arguments about how well there's actually economic benefits to having uh immigration to
04:27:37
Driena Sixtothis level. >> Well, then we'd have to bring out little notes and facts and show how it's not. Um in fact, there's plenty of not just studies. This is just facts from the
04:27:48
Driena Sixtogovernment how migration is a net um detriment to society. Pretty much migrants >> people have other facts contrary to >> there's no such thing there's no such thing as different facts. And that
04:28:00
Rachel Wilson>> liberals and leftists will forward contrary facts. can they can pullies there's no such thing as brute facts it always depends on framing it always depends on context and framing yes this is why I say you're not capable of
04:28:13
Driena Sixtothinking past like level one >> so for example when it comes to the argument that uh Brian facts are just facts when it comes to the argument that
04:28:21
Driena SixtoBrian just mentioned they took a sample of migrants that were in the country for uh 30 years and they broke it up into
04:28:31
Driena Sixtotheir nationality ity uh that they come from and they saw that no matter the nationality they were a net tax burden on society i.e. >> are women a net tax burden on society?
04:28:43
Driena Sixto>> No, I think you pulled that up last time and showed that that was not the case. >> I think it did show that it was the case. >> I would love to chime in on that if I can. >> Really quick though, really quick here. Let's do this. Let me let me let a few
04:28:55
Brian Atlasmore chats come through. Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video. Uh what are we on likes? I think we just hit 4,000 likes. I would love We still have about 9,000 people viewing just here on Whatever. We have another
04:29:06
Brian Atlasthousand on on Twitch, a couple hundred on Kick, and then I think there's like 56,000 watching on the Crucible. Guys, can we get the likes to 5,000 likes? We're at
04:29:17
Brian Atlas4,000 likes. Let's get it to 5,000. Let me let chats come through. We do have uh Dofus here. That's his name. Doofus. All right, woman. Come change my toilet and
04:29:29
Brian Atlasfix my washer and then grill then provide for the family. Uh that is from Dofus. >> Thank you, Doofus. And he has a followup
04:29:41
Brian Atlaswhich reads, "She doesn't even know." It's coming in just a moment. She doesn't even know what a straw man is. That's his followup there. >> So he he gave $200 to to just write
04:29:55
Driena Sixtothat. >> Crazy. >> Yes. He he did have taken a lady could have taken a lady out on a date for that amount of money and actually >> could you tell us how we get how do we get an uh from an is because that's what
04:30:07
Rachel Wilsonhe was addressing. >> You're saying facts are just facts and I have facts. Okay, you have facts. How do the facts tell us what we should or ought do?
04:30:17
Driena Sixto>> So it takes rational rational people coming to having a discussion and presenting the facts. What are you what are you trying to argue? You should look up Hume's guillotine when you get home. I know you don't do philosophy, but
04:30:29
Rachel Wilsonthere is no way to get there is no way to get an ought from an is. You can't say this is the case. So, like if you said somebody on the show said this recently, they were talking about this like >> specific example.
04:30:42
Rachel Wilson>> Yeah. >> You know, it's cold outside, therefore you ought fix your refrigerate. Like, you can't take something that is the case and then extrapolate a moral uh from it. So, if you say
04:30:55
Rachel Wilson>> that's a terrible example, I'm sure. >> It's probably a terrible example, but how do you jump from saying this is the fact of the matter to this is what we ought do about it because everyone's going to have different ideas about what we ought to do about it, which is something you said yourself. You're
04:31:08
Rachel Wilsonlike, Democrats will get into office and they'll have a totally different view and they'll say we ought to do this instead. >> Yes. Uh it doesn't change again, it doesn't change facts behind it, right? So, Democrats
04:31:21
Driena Sixtoare going to say, "Oh, we ought to allow open borders." The facts are that that negatively impacts our country. Whether they do it or not or allow it or not, it doesn't change the fact that it's
04:31:33
Rachel Wilsondetrimental. >> But then they'll just So, you'll say, "Here's the reasons we think it's bad." And they'll say, "Here's the reasons we think it's good." >> They have no good logical reasons other than >> the facts don't tell >> other than, "Oh, cultural enrichment or
04:31:46
Brian Atlasdiversity." We do have a response from from Dofus here. Uh he says he is a man and he can afford to because >> he's worked for a living. >> Good. That's $300 now that could have gone to something more productive
04:32:00
Brian Atlas>> to a woman. >> To a woman. >> Should he have spent it on Only Fans instead of this? >> He probably does that as well. I I would What would you have with that?
04:32:10
Brian Atlas>> I would bet money on that, too. um or some kind of pornography. But uh again, >> should men should spend more money on a date than p than than be a patron of a
04:32:24
Brian Atlaspodcast? >> Coming uh totally understand uh the point of of self-interest there. So I I get it. >> Right. Well, in any case, we have Let me get through the rest of the chats. Red
04:32:34
Driena SixtoFox 11 FEMCON, are you a good example for women? >> Where's the fem? Are they sitting back there? >> I I think it's you. It might be you. >> Oh, it's definitely not me. I'm like
04:32:47
Rachel Wilsontrying to look for her fem. >> Look, you can say you're not a feminist, but the facts demonstrate that you are. The fact is that all of your positions are feminist and classical liberal and
04:32:58
Rachel Wilsonyou are. The fact is you're not a conservative and you're a feminist. >> You're a libertarian left-leaning feminist based on the facts. >> Absolutely wild. Um, again, I think that
04:33:11
Driena Sixtopeople watching this that have two sense, two brain cells will determine the opposite of that. Uh, I think that you just come from >> I don't think they will. I think you are
04:33:21
Rachel WilsonI think you grossly underestimate a position of you grossly overestimate your intelligence and you grossly underestimate the intelligence of normal people to understand what just happened.
04:33:33
Rachel Wilson>> Grossly uh mischaracterize people's intelligence and your own. just yours >> and it makes you >> just yours. >> Look, I can't explain the is ought gap to you. You don't understand it. And I
04:33:45
Rachel Wilsondon't know how to fix that for you. >> You don't understand that there's no such thing as brute facts that don't have context. And you don't understand that you can't take an is or an ought
04:33:56
Driena Sixtoprescription for what we should do in a moral quandry from a brute fact. >> I I don't know why you don't get that, but you don't. >> I get I get what you're saying, Rachel. You're the one making the ought argument. We ought to not
04:34:09
Rachel Wilson>> You are You're saying we ought to grant rights. We ought to give women this. We ought >> We ought to not allow women to vote. >> She doesn't even understand that. The whole time she's just been asserting ought claims. The whole time she's just
04:34:22
Rachel Wilsonbeen going, we ought to have rights. We ought to let women do. The whole time has just been you asserting ought claims, Rachel. >> And when I say, "What do you base that on? What's your epistemology? Where do you get that from?" You just say I just
04:34:34
Rachel Wilsonthink and I just you said natur the closest you got to was naturalism but naturalism natural law would dictate patriarchy. Patriarchy would be natural
04:34:44
Rachel Wilsonlaw and you reject patriarchy. You want equality. Equality is not natural. The natural world does not have any concept of equality and legal and you don't get
04:34:54
Driena Sixtolegal framework. Legal framework is not determined. framework is not determined on college degrees. >> Facts don't care about feelings. Rachel,
04:35:07
Brian Atlaswhy do you have a joint bank account with Andrew? Don't you trust your husband to manage all finances by himself? The men will never take rights from the women, so who cares if they can?
04:35:18
Driena Sixto>> What? They're asking why I have a joint bank. I said I don't have >> bank accounts in my own name. >> Yeah. She said, "Why do you even have a joint one? Why doesn't Andrew have the bank account himself?
04:35:30
Rachel Wilson>> He does have multiple accounts that are only in his name. The only one I have access to is the one that he wants me paying bills out of cuz I do the paperwork part of the budget every month. >> Okay. So, that's their argument is why,
04:35:42
Rachel Wilsonyou know, do you have a joint one? >> So, so that I can do the bills cuz he told me to do the bill. He says, I don't like doing paperwork and bills. I'd rather you handle all that. So, I'm going to put that money that I want you
04:35:55
Rachel Wilsonto distribute to bills in that account, and that's what you can use to shop and pay for things. He's got his own account still. >> There is Yeah. One joint account. So, >> what do you think about this though? So,
04:36:06
Brian AtlasAndrew um >> and he's been doing this. He's been financially abusing Rachel for years. >> You know what's crazy? >> You know, wait. her her book her book
04:36:17
Brian Atlasroyalties the the money she makes from her book uh Andrew steals that from Rachel and buys firearms. How do you feel about that? Do you how do you feel about that?
04:36:28
Driena Sixto>> I don't You know what I what I will say is when I first spoke to your uh husband >> Well, do you want to address the stealing of the book royalties? >> Yes. You know, poor Rachel, we need to start a bonaf for Rachel to have the
04:36:42
Driena Sixtofinancial freedom. >> Andrew will also steal uh afford to afford financial independence and and choose, you know, what to do with her life. No, when I first uh when I >> But I've already chosen what I want to
04:36:54
Rachel Wilsondo with my life and it's to honor and serve my husband. When I first uh >> I'm very happy. I don't need your help. You have Listen, you have nothing I want. >> I was thinking of starting.
04:37:06
Rachel Wilson>> You have nothing in life that I want. I've got kids. I've got a husband. I've accomplished a lot in the intellect. I've done everything I There's nothing you have that I want. So, please don't help me. Please, I don't want your help.
04:37:19
Driena Sixto>> Likewise. Um, >> but you said you wanted to have a husband and kids >> and I am. It's a timeline matter, not a >> Okay. So, I do have I do have something goals. You ask me the same. I'm goals
04:37:31
Driena Sixtofor her. You guys, I'm goals. >> Are your eggs Have you frozen your eggs or >> uh No, I have not frozen my eggs. Fine. >> I believe it. I believe it. Yeah, my
04:37:42
Driena Sixtoeggs are fine. It's It's more the men that quite literally need to be checking up on their um the same. >> I love how you think they're going to win over the public opinion by
04:37:53
Rachel Wilsonconstantly insulting men this Oh, you've been insulting men this whole podcast. I'm telling men I'm telling men >> unhealthy. They have
04:38:03
Driena Sixto>> I'm telling them how they can be better testosterone level of their grandparents in this day and age as the average testosterone for men within their 30s and their 40s. That's >> my grandma would be like, "You know
04:38:16
Rachel Wilsonwhat? You want to talk about people's grandparents? If my grandma was here, she'd be like, "If you want kids, you better get on it." So, I mean, like, let's not talk about all the men. >> I like talked about the men. I've
04:38:28
Rachel Wilson>> That's all you've done this whole show. You've been calling them incelss, telling them how they're not good enough, telling them where they need to do better. Men be better. >> If the men be better, the women will be better after. But you have to be better
04:38:40
Rachel Wilsonfirst and you have to lead. But only the way that we want you to leaders vetoers. >> If you let if you lead in the way that we approve of, then we'll let you lead and then we'll do stuff if we want to. But it just depends. We have to do what
04:38:54
Driena Sixtowe want. >> We have a hysteric woman here. Maybe we need a lobotomy. >> I'm doing an impression of you. I'm gonna both of you. How about that? >> Here, look. Let's uh let me get through some of the chats. We have Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. We got some chats. We
04:39:06
Brian Atlasgot Pasty George. Hey, it's our good friend Pasty George. Guys, I think it's been a month or two. Can we get some in the chat for Pasty George? It's been a while since we've seen the guy. Thank you, man. Brian, could you please make a poll asking the chat who they think?
04:39:18
Brian AtlasRachel or >> they spelled it wrong. How >> um Big Can I call you Big D? >> No, we need to people. We need get to get to them. >> I don't know >> the on the right.
04:39:29
Brian Atlas>> Hold on and finish it. Uh is making the more valid points in their arguments using facts rather than hearsay anecdotes. I did do that for who should who would be most likely to be lobbomized.
04:39:41
Brian Atlas>> Uh I I could do that once I get through the chats. But Py George, good to see you. We have guys and if you want to get messages in, uh now's a good time. We have I am right. If I tell you the sky
04:39:52
Brian Atlascolor is red, you can never tell me I'm wrong. Because as a man, if it is up to me, I can force you into a cage and hurt you until you tell me I'm right. Uh,
04:40:04
Driena Sixtosorry, lady. >> That kind of that proves my point. >> He's being hyperbolic. >> I know, but that proves my point that it still doesn't make it a reality. That's literally the argument I've been going up against.
04:40:17
Driena Sixto>> It's actually reality, though. Like, >> yes. It doesn't change the fact of the sky being a different color. >> Oh, I thought you meant cage. >> Sam donated $200.
04:40:30
Driena Sixto>> Thank you, Sam. >> Explain Hume's guillotine, please. It's pertinent to this debate. >> Rachel, do you want >> I can then explain uh something else that you obviously are not an expert on, but sure. Go ahead.
04:40:43
Rachel Wilson>> The ludial phases or whatever. >> Oh god, not the phases. Getting >> I know kind of a lot about that. I've had a lot of babies and >> Mhm. female things. Uh well, just to put
04:40:53
Rachel Wilsonit like super plainly because I'm not a specialist in this. Andrew is. I'm okay at philosophy. I'm good at basic logic. I'm pretty good at like fallacies and spotting them and stuff like that. But
04:41:04
Rachel Wilsonit's just the idea that you can't take an is statement and get a moral ought from that statement. It was a it's a
04:41:12
Rachel Wilsonclassical philosophical problem that Hume kind of popularized and it just people assume that if they just state facts that the logical inference of what
04:41:25
Brian Atlasmorally should be done about them is obvious and that's not the case and she couldn't prove it was the case the whole time. So >> sure I thought >> before you get into the ludal phases or whatever. >> Yeah, might as well get something.
04:41:38
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04:42:03
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04:42:14
Brian Atlasmore chats coming in. We have Turbo Bill TPUSA FEMCON. Instead of asking why people are sending in money to ask the questions, why not just answer the
04:42:24
Driena Sixtofuking questions? Such a bad faith guest avoiding super chats. >> Somebody needs to, you know, just calm down a little before typing things out.
04:42:36
Rachel Wilsonsuch passive aggressive women stuff to constantly accuse Oh my god, are you mad? I made you mad. Wow, are you crashing out? Such a Gen Z thing. Are you, >> dude? Why are you crashing out right now? Oh my gosh. And people are like,
04:42:49
Brian Atlaswe're not >> millennial. Are you I think >> I'm a millennial. You're Gen X. >> Tik Tok brain. >> Uh >> oh, >> definitely >> Gen Z. Um >> are you on Tik Tok though a lot?
04:43:00
Rachel Wilson>> I am on Tik Tok for work reasons because I'm in media and and marketing. Um, but yeah, >> accusing other people of like getting upset and losing their cool when they're
04:43:12
Rachel Wilsonclearly not is like a Gen Z meme. >> You Yeah, youent times before. >> Yeah. Okay. Most >> doofus here doing a little followup. I mean, the guy >> you wish, you know, for some of these
04:43:24
Brian Atlasguys, >> this is what you know 350. We're at 350 from Dofus. >> It is below the threshold, but you know, some of these guys, you know, they they they're patrons of the show. They want to they >> we got to put on more debates, you know,
04:43:36
Brian Atlasso they want to support the show. And I mean, this guy probably wants to pop a ball of champagne or something at this point. I don't know. But uh Oh, wait. I already showed this one. My apologies. We have one coming in from the unknown
04:43:48
Brian Atlassoldier. Uh it's going to be a bit of a delay, but he writes, "She's the epitome of the utterly failed education system in America. She's too dumb and has way
04:43:59
Brian Atlastoo much ego to recognize it. Like all college educated women, listen to your conscious conscious Brian. >> So all college educated. >> Does he mean the super chat or conscious
04:44:12
Driena SixtoBrian? >> Brian consciousness or whatever it is. >> All college educated women uh have too much ego and yeah that's probably another reason why
04:44:24
SPEAKER_02>> they do tend to be overly confident in their intellectual capabilities. It sounds like somebody's ego is threatened by educated women. >> Well, we have piano dean and he says,
04:44:37
Brian Atlas"It's amazing how many times in this debate, Drianna, >> he got it. He got it right. He wrote it right." >> has agreed with Rachel yet somehow
04:44:48
Brian Atlasbelieving she won the point. Thank you, Piano Dean. And by the way, thank you everyone else who has sent in messages. Uh you can >> yeah because the only thing I disagree with Rachel on is on women voting and
04:45:01
Driena Sixtoyou disagree on quite a bit more than that uh having equal financial rights. So being an equivalent to men according to the law which is just rational and a conservative position
04:45:13
Rachel Wilson>> again missing the isot gap and you had a lot more to say that you disagreed with. You brought several color-coded folders which very th >> those were just printed facts. >> Yeah. I'm just saying you clearly had a
04:45:25
Rachel Wilsonwhole bunch of stuff and no, you don't agree with me on anything. You you >> don't agree with me that you're a libertarian. You don't agree with me that you're a feminist. You don't agree with me that women don't need political
04:45:37
Rachel Wilsonpower in order to not be oppressed. You think that unless they have financial and political power, they're somehow oppressed. If I call you something, you're not. If I call you a selfhating by definition,
04:45:50
Rachel Wilson>> you are does that make you >> You're like the trans people who are like, "But I identify as a conservative though." And I'm like, "You don't hold any conservative positions." And you're like, "But I call myself. I identify as conservative."
04:46:02
Driena Sixto>> You've you are the one that have explicitly said you're not a conservative, right? >> You're way further right than that. >> You're not a constitutionalist. You do
04:46:12
Driena Sixtonot believe in the US Constitution. You do not believe in a constitutional republic. You believe in a monarchy. >> I think you could have I think you could conceive of a constitutional republic
04:46:23
Rachel Wilsonthat could work, but you'd have said you'd have to limit suffrage or you get progressivism and the end result is this garbage we have now. That's >> you that's what will happen every time. I prefer a monarchy monarchy. >> Um
04:46:35
Rachel Wilson>> church and state working together. It's called Symphonia. The Byzantine Empire, which was the longest lasting empire in history, had this system. None of this is compatible with Western values or uh
04:46:48
Rachel Wilsonconservatism in the United States. >> American conservatism is dead and has been since Pat Buchanan fell out of the limelight. >> And I don't believe in Western values.
04:46:59
Rachel WilsonThat's why I'm not I'm not a western liberal. You are a classical liberal. That's Western values. You believe >> American classical liberalism is your
04:47:08
Brian Atlasethos. It is not mine. I don't my again trying to box me into certain labels and that's not exactly that just came through right now. The 50-year-old woman doesn't know how to control her emotions.
04:47:22
Brian Atlas>> Of course, this audience is going to like Rachel the promiscuous. Okay. Well, I'm not >> I'm not at all. I've never been promiscuous. >> So, >> yeah. And I haven't uh gone there and
04:47:36
Rachel Wilsonattacking her. >> Scoot uh scoot like one inch. >> There's a lot of rumors that you hear about me online that are not true. So, it's probably good that you didn't go there cuz it >> only people just lie. Only people just lie. >> A troll.
04:47:49
Driena Sixto>> The only thing I know is obviously you have children from previous marriages and you know there's three or previous relationships and you have children from three two previous relationships >> from three different relationships is what is online. Also, because you and
04:48:01
Driena SixtoAndrew have done a really good job at cleaning up your online uh presence. I actually had somebody reach out to me who's uh a private investigator um because they watched the first show and
04:48:13
Driena Sixtothey're like, "Oh my gosh, you know, this guy's kind of crazy, your husband. I wonder who he is. >> Wait, wait, hold on. If >> I wonder who he is and uh >> this feels like it's getting into like a doc." >> No. And then territory. I don't want to
04:48:25
SPEAKER_02go. >> A private investigator. Yeah. Yeah. reached out to me and anybody who tries to dig into your online now >> and then tried to find info on you online and my point is I don't think
04:48:37
Rachel Wilsonit's fair to reveal anything that's fair to reveal things some private investigator >> it's hard to find stuff on me because we're old and I don't like we didn't have an online life until like 5 years
04:48:50
Brian Atlasago that's immaterial to the conversation >> rubbing of what >> hold on Oh, bologoney.
04:48:59
Brian Atlas>> Alan Roach, a $100 Australian. Just grant or give her the unborn males. It makes no difference. They will not survive long enough to raise them and would not have the skills to teach them.
04:49:11
Brian Atlas>> That's correct. This did come in. >> I thought about going into that, but it's just like >> she just stonewalls and obuscates, so it doesn't matter. >> One more. >> All right, we have uh Andrew Thrasher
04:49:23
Brian Atlashere. Good evening. whatever podcast. Former senior airman Andrew Thrasher here. Question for the fake conservative. What exactly do you bring to society? What makes you a productive
04:49:34
Brian Atlasmember of society? Other than giving false information, what are you worth? I don't see it. Not one step back. Again, I don't know who the fake
04:49:44
Driena Sixtoconservative is here, but uh I will say that I am a high uh contributor to not just society, but in taxes that I pay uh
04:49:55
Driena Sixtoin actually helping conservatives get elected. Not just saying uh women bad, stupid, and should not vote. I actually have knocked doors so that conservatives
04:50:06
Driena Sixtoget elected. not just talk about getting conservatives elected or how bad the situation is. I've actually talked the talk and walked the walk, something Rachel here has not done. Um, and so and
04:50:19
Driena Sixtoso >> demonstrate that. >> Yeah, there's pictures online on my social media profiles of the work that I've done to actually elect. You think I need to go out and get GOP candidates
04:50:31
Driena Sixtoelected when I don't >> uh I think support get people that believe what you believe elected if you actually want to uh basically prove that you're serious about what you believe in. >> You know what's more effective than
04:50:43
Rachel Wilsonthat? Winning the propaganda war and taking back the institutions. If you want to talk about prescript I don't suck at that. I >> Yes, you do. Because most of your followers are men. Most of the people
04:50:54
Rachel Wilson>> That's not true. This book that support this book right here. No, that's not that's actually not true. This book right here cracked I'll explain it right now and I'll prove it. This book cracked the top 30 on all of Amazon books, which
04:51:07
Rachel Wilsonis practically unheard of for a self-published book. It is vastly out sold things from mainline publishers. >> Okay. >> I have Do you deny that most of Do you deny that most of your following is is
04:51:20
Rachel Wilsonmen? >> It depends on what platform you look at. So, like my Substack, my Substack readers are actually mostly women. >> Most >> um I'm not really on YouTube. Uh I'm not
04:51:30
Rachel Wilsonreally on Instagram. I'm only on X. And on X, it's like a 7030 split. >> But uh I get the most emails, DMs, and letters in the mail from women who say,
04:51:42
Rachel Wilson"Thank you for giving me a voice." Because as a stay-at-home mom, I always felt less than. I always have been made to feel by the women around me like I'm not doing enough, like I'm a loser. Um, thank you for that. Like I get tons of
04:51:55
Driena Sixtomail from women. >> Well, that's really sad that that is the case that they're being told that. But I think the reason they feel that way is not because other women are saying it
04:52:06
Driena Sixtothat they don't have inherent value. I think if it's not mostly men, it's at an equivalent level because a lot of men think, "Oh, you're just a stay-at-home
04:52:17
Driena Sixtomom. What is it that you bring to the table? If I'm providing food and shelter for you, you get to stay at home. >> I never I never get criticized by men for being a stay-at-home mom. I never