Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate | Whatever Debates 26
Date: 2026-03-29
Duration: 6h 07m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Driena Sixto(guest)
SPEAKER_03Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:16
IntroBrian introduces debate: Rachel Wilson vs Driena Sixto
00:25:17
Key MomentRachel: if women didn't vote, there would never be another Democrat president
01:43:03
Key MomentRachel demolishes economic argument for low birth rates: poorest people have most children
02:25:30
QuoteDriena's closing: suggests Rachel take one-way trip to Iran if she doesn't like women's rights
05:38:09
QuoteRachel's closing: Driena came unarmed to a debate. If it was a beauty pageant she'd do great.
Topics Discussed
00:25:17
Women's Suffrage and 19th Amendment
Central debate. Rachel argues women shouldn't vote. Driena argues voting is inherent right.
00:45:23
Prenuptial Agreements
Extended debate between Rachel and Driena on prenups and financial independence in marriage.
01:02:10
Pornography: Ban or Free Speech?
Rachel advocates criminalizing porn. Driena opposes banning despite agreeing its harmful.
01:38:32
Birth Rate Collapse
Rachel argues women's access to education is #1 correlate to declining birth rates.
02:42:09
Force and Patriarchy
Rachel argues rights only exist because men with force grant them.
Transcript
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00:57:26
Rachel Wilsonsystem. But that aside, >> these women said we're clarifying that >> if we become just another political voting block, we lose the moral high ground we have. Before women could vote, they could stand up and say, "We think
00:57:39
Rachel Wilsonyou need to do something about clean water. We think you need to do something about safety in public parks. We want better schools. We want more prohibitions on alcohol." Whatever it
00:57:49
Driena Sixtowas, their agenda was heard and got passed without them having to vote. >> Unless it was something completely too radical, right? And in that case, then they'd be sent to an institution for crazy people and lobotoized.
00:58:02
Driena Sixto>> They did that to men, too. Um >> they did that to radical men too. It was not a gendered thing. >> Basically uh individuals, right? People that have a way of thinking that was more individualist. Those are the ones
00:58:14
Driena Sixtothat usually uh get shut down and have their rights trampled upon in history. Which is again why it is so necessary for the individual to have equal voting rights and an equal voice within the
00:58:26
Driena Sixtopolitical system that they have to live under. If we were anywhere else, you know, outside of this podcast and debate right now, we'd have to stop talking right now because, you know, there's no
00:58:38
Driena Sixtopoint in trying to convince somebody that, you know, an individual has human rights, equal rights, and we're just going to have to agree to disagree uh on
00:58:48
Driena Sixtothat and make it clear to the public on where we stand on your stance being anti-women's rights, anti- voting rights, anti-equality.
00:58:58
Driena SixtoAnd my whole point here is to just make it clear that that is uh the case and that that is not representative of the conservative movement of a whole uh and
00:59:08
Driena Sixtothat it is counter counteractive, counterintuitive and a negative thing for us because it's just turning more young women to the left seeing these kinds of uh positions. You don't think
00:59:21
Rachel Wilsonthe fact that we have to pander to the emotions of young women, what you just told me is Rachel, don't say that out loud because we have to pander to the feelings of young women because of they have a lot of voting power. They have a
00:59:32
Rachel Wilsonlot of political power and so we have to tell them what they want to hear and we have to give them what they want. >> The truth, let her finish. >> We have to tell them what they want to hear. We have to give them what they want because if we don't, they won't
00:59:44
Rachel Wilsonvote for us anymore. Rachel, don't you think that's a problem? voting. I'm saying that this is you're thinking about it wrong and most people do. You're the whole framing of how you're framing the argument is the
00:59:56
Rachel Wilsonproblem. >> The system is the problem. We shouldn't have to appeal to the emotions of certain voting blocks, which is what Black Lives Matter is, which is what the feminist agenda is, which is what
01:00:08
Rachel Wilsonidentity politics is. When you give everybody one person one vote, you end up with all these special interest groups. you end up with all these little voting blocks and politicians have to pander to them. And so you get these
01:00:20
Rachel Wilsonradicalized movements fighting for this group's rights and that group's rights. And I'm saying I do think that that's the we've ended up in a place where with your universal democracy where everybody
01:00:31
Driena Sixtogets a vote, we're going to end up in non-stop like basic gang wars, political gang wars. is that you're really bad at making an argument for what you believe in and would rather just shut down the entire
01:00:43
Driena Sixtopolitical discourse and keep people from having an opinion. My argument is that uh I think that what I believe in is good and that I can present my opinions
01:00:53
Driena Sixtoto people that disagree with them and flip them over to my side because of because my opinions are based on on realities and facts. And again, uh, if
01:01:03
Driena Sixtoyou're trying to argue that it's bad for women to vote because a majority of women, uh, vote Democrat, right, in the past and we're trying to get women or
01:01:14
Driena Sixtowe're trying to live under conservative policies, then again, you'd have to say that you'd be okay with people that disagree with you not having uh,
01:01:24
Driena Sixtopolitical rights, voting rights, namely black Americans, that 80 to 90% vote Democrat in political ical presidential elections. And I'm saying that I would
01:01:35
Driena Sixtobe against that. I feel like even though it is most definitely an uphill battle, uh my task is to make sure that I talk to those groups and show them why our
01:01:48
Driena Sixtoside is better, right? Not just to completely shut them down. It's work, Rachel. It absolutely is work. It is framing. It is being a convincing person. it is having to provide that's
01:01:59
Rachel Wilsonwhat I brought here you know proof and you know different uh different studies and things from the >> color organized folders are very impressive I'm sure you got straight A's in school but can we get back to the
01:02:10
Rachel Wilsondebate because you just talk and talk so are you going to tell the young women that you want to vote Republican in the next election are you going to go to the college campuses and tell those young women look >> I don't like pornography it's really
01:02:23
Driena Sixtodestructive we have to make only fans illegal we can't have it anymore I think that we need to discourage people from using it. >> Oh, but you don't want to actually outlaw it.
01:02:32
Driena Sixto>> Uh, it'd be good if it did not exist, but again, I think that we're attacking the problem from the wrong end. >> I see. So, you want to tell the men that the watching it is bad, but the young
01:02:45
Rachel Wilsonladies producing it, we can't tell the young ladies producing it that they can't make pornography anymore because then they'll get upset and they won't vote for Republicans in the next election. We have to say, "Ladies, look, I'm going to appeal to your better your
01:02:58
Rachel Wilsonbetter sensibilities." And we'll see how this goes on the dating talk podcast. If we have some Only Fans girls, I can't wait. I can't wait to hear you convince them. And I hope that by the end they quit. I do. I hope that by the end you can convince them and they can quit. I
01:03:10
Driena Sixtothink the h odds of that happening are basically zero. >> Uh, >> are you willing to outlaw pornography? >> You're a Christian, right? You're a Christian yourself. wasn't the whole point of, you know, Jesus talking to
01:03:21
Driena Sixtopeople that sinned to bring them to their side by engaging with them and talking to them. >> Do you think that Jesus wanted only fans to be legal? >> Of course not. But I think of course
01:03:32
Driena Sixtonot. So, but I think he'd think he'd talk to uh the women that are engaged in that whole, you know, thing because unfortunately, >> are you going to go to the college campuses and tell these young girls to
01:03:43
Driena Sixtostop doing Only Fans or No, prostitution, you know, it's called the oldest career for women in in the books. Um, and again, it does not make it a good thing, but I think the problem
01:03:55
Driena Sixtocomes from the demand side of things. Women also have lots of temptations that could corrupt them, right? But it's up to us being accountable for ourselves, holding ourselves accountable for if we
01:04:08
Driena Sixtodecide to consume certain things. >> Yeah, that's working out great. That's working out great. Are you aware of the numbers of how many young women? >> How many women engage in that versus how many men consume that? Yes, I actually
01:04:20
Driena Sixtoam very aware of the numbers. Unless, >> by the way, women consume plenty of pornography. This idea that it's only men is baloney. I agree. I never said that. About 20% average women do consume
01:04:30
Rachel Wilsonpornography. Uh it's about 70% of men that do consume. >> What happens if we count written pornography? What happens if we count stuff like 50 Shades of Gray? Then how many women engage in
01:04:43
Rachel Wilson>> I don't know consuming pornography. Oh well, let me help you. It's the bestselling book of all time among female readers. >> Okay. >> So women consume plenty of pornography. They just tend to like to read it so
01:04:54
Driena Sixtothey can insert themselves into the nasty sex scene then watch the actual videos, >> which is bad, right? So, shouldn't we be addressing again the So, are you going to tell people they should stop writing
01:05:05
Rachel Wilsonbooks? Is that your next move, Rachel? >> I would absolutely have limits on pornography being produced in all forms on written speech. >> I don't agree that porn, See, she's a
01:05:17
Rachel Wilsonleftist libertarian. She thinks that porn is free speech. This is your MAGA Republican woman. This is your feminist, your not feminist conservative advocate. You know, she's going to get everybody
01:05:29
Rachel Wilsonto vote for conservatives. She's going to talk. >> It always reduces to the men. It always No, you're just you're exactly what I thought you were. You're worse than I thought you were. It's always, "What about the men, though?" I go, "Are you
01:05:43
Rachel Wilsongoing to tell the are you going to tell the women to stop Wait a minute. Are you going to tell the women to stop making porn for men to consume?" And she goes, "No, I I would just encourage them. I would say you probably know that your question and I'm going to tell the men
01:05:55
Rachel Wilsonthat they can't have the porn." >> Relax, Rachel. Breathe. Who saw? >> I'm I'm I'm entertaining. If we had to listen to you blah blah yap yap yap all night long and everybody would leave the chat. Nobody would want to be here. So
01:06:06
Driena Sixto>> sure. That is not what I said. You asked if I'd make it illegal. Um and no, but I would tell women to stop doing it. That is those are two completely different things. >> Oh, well that's okay. She's going to tell the women to stop doing it and they're going to go, "Okay,
01:06:20
Rachel Wilson>> show them that there's a better way." Yes. Absolutely. Well, >> that that is what you got to work harder. You got to work harder cuz it ain't working. It ain't working. This libertarian idea that we can just talk people into doing what's logical is the
01:06:33
Driena Sixtowhole problem. >> This libertarian idea that we could talk people into doing what we want, that's not a libertarian idea. That has existed from the beginning of time. >> Your idea, this is a thing from let me finish. Let you >> Exactly. from the beginning of time in
01:06:45
Driena Sixtoin Rome where people would like gather in a time town square and then talk about their ideas and then decide on whether they agreed with them or not. So you're arguing again against people discussing ideas and proving why they're
01:06:56
Rachel Wilsonbetter than others which is bad enough. >> I'm not arguing against it. I'm doing it right now. But I'm saying I do think >> I do think that we should make certain things illegal. Yes. I don't think it should just be do whatever you want,
01:07:10
Driena Sixtobro. >> How did the how did the uh war on drugs work out? How has it worked out this entire >> Are you going to tell the young women on the college campuses that you're trying to get to vote Republican that they can't have abortions? Are you going to tell them that's killing babies and you can't do that anymore?
01:07:24
Driena Sixto>> I'll explain. >> Are you just going to try to talk them out of >> You just You just You just presented a question to me. Uh actually, how I would attack that question is showing why abortion is the killing of a human being based on biology, not on religious
01:07:37
Driena Sixtoarguments or anything like that. The beginning of a human life starts at conception, right? and ends at death, conception, you know, uh a fetus, baby,
01:07:48
Driena Sixtotoddler, all of that is part of the human developmental life cycle. And so if you believe in individual rights then and you know not killing innocent
01:07:59
Driena Sixtopeople, then you have to argue against abortion. That is my argument. It is a logical one. Okay? And it is one that made me, you know, like when I was much younger, I I had different opinions on
01:08:11
Driena Sixtoabortion because of what I was taught in school. I was taught uh that um it's okay if like the baby doesn't have nerve endings and then you could just suck it out and whatever. And I'm like, "Oh, well then maybe in a few weeks then it
01:08:24
Driena Sixtodoesn't really matter." But that's actually not the case. It's from conception. That's the beginning of the human life cycle. But again, this is just education, right? educating people, which you have to do. You can't just
01:08:37
Rachel Wilsontell people no voting for you. >> I know. We're gonna we're gonna educate all the problems away. We're just going to change everyone's mind. >> We're gonna educate We're going to educate the problems away, Rachel. That's the plan. >> Yeah, that's worked great. We have more
01:08:49
Rachel Wilsoneduc people are more educated now in human history than ever before. It's not an information problem and it's not an education problem. It's a moral problem. And that's where the rub is. Didn't you
01:09:00
Rachel Wilsonbring up the was it the Stanford prison study? Oh, I did back in the in the last >> where you said they had to stop the experiment six weeks in or something. >> Do you want me to do Are you handing
01:09:12
Driena Sixtoover to me for tell us about that? >> Let's talk about that cuz it actually is a really it's a really good one where basically um they took in volunteers uh students to play as prison guards and
01:09:24
Driena Sixtoanother group of volunteers to be prisoners. And what happened after a certain short period of time is that these prison guards started to abuse
01:09:35
Driena Sixtothese fake prisoners so badly that they had to stop the experiment. And my argument using that uh that example was
01:09:44
Driena Sixtothat when individuals have undue power over others then it is just making it prone to abuse. Right? So if men and
01:09:56
Driena Sixtowomen don't have equal voting rights and power then women are equally subject for just a second. I just wanted you to tell me about the study. I didn't need like a whole diet trial >> and discrimination. That's that's the
01:10:08
Driena Sixtopoint of the studies that it is in our nature unfortunately as humans to uh take over and abuse those that have less power than us. Which is why we need to >> let me ask you a question. Why didn't
01:10:21
Rachel Wilsonthey just pull these people aside? the people that were play being the prison guard. Why didn't they get Drianna to come in? >> Dria was not allowed to come in. >> Okay. Well, let's say Drianna, they could they call Dria and they go, "You need to come in here." And what we need
01:10:33
Rachel Wilsonyou to do is talk to them and convince them why it's bad to abuse these people. You need to educate them, Dria, until they behave. >> Yeah. I would have gone in there and told them, "Hey, you guys, are are y'all crazy? Is there are you guys okay? Do you know that? Do you know that?
01:10:46
Rachel Wilson>> Can you go to the prisons for us? Can we get Drianna to go to prisons and just talk to the criminals and tell criminals understand. Hey, listen buddy. >> Hey, Rachel. Relax. By the way, >> listen, buddy. >> By the way, they do that in real
01:10:59
Driena Sixtoprisons, right? You >> How's that working? >> You've got pastors that go to real prison. >> What is the success rate on educating criminals out of doing crime >> and they bring them books and they bring >> What's the success rate?
01:11:12
Driena Sixto>> And they bring them Bibles. >> I know what they do. How well does it work? >> I don't have statistical numbers in front of me. You want to pull that up, Ryan? >> Almost never. Um the recidivism we can look up for most crimes. >> Don't bring up Don't bring up
01:11:24
Driena Sixtostatistics. >> Don't bring up statistics because unless you don't have it with you basically. >> We can look it up. >> So we're Yes, let's chat. GTT >> like uh recidivism rate for violent crimes.
01:11:37
Rachel Wilson>> That has nothing to do with somebody going in and talking to people to try to convince them. >> Why would they keep offending if we can just talk them out of it? We just say, "Listen, Mr. murderer. Everybody's you
01:11:48
Rachel Wilsonjust need to be educated. This is another classic leftwing. This is Black Lives Matter's whole thing. Yes. This is if you go to Black Lives Matters website, they want rehabilitation. They
01:11:58
Rachel Wilsonwant to educate people out of doing crime. It's a leftwing position. Oh, no. No. We're just going to convince them. We're just going to convince people to do what's right for them. We're going to convince people to do take the smarter option.
01:12:12
Rachel Wilson>> Take a breath. >> Yeah. You're you're doing the thing that everybody does where they pretend that the other person is crashing out when they're not. It's not going to work. You're getting your butt
01:12:21
Driena Sixto>> whooped. Want me to uh look? >> Yeah. Let's see if any uh programs in prison from pastors or that uh
01:12:30
Driena Sixtoreintegrate people into society, get them uh educational degrees cuz that's something that does have to be a lot more concise. It would have to be like I know >> I do have
01:12:42
Driena Sixto>> Yeah. Uh let's see if we can make it as concise as possible. What are the success rates of um rehabilitation
01:12:51
Rachel Wilsonprograms in prison? My argument they're well known to be extremely abysmal. That's why we doesn't work. >> I agree. My my thing is >> you can't educate people into making
01:13:03
Rachel Wilsonmoral choices. Dria >> for uh what specific crime is it? Just violent crime, drugs. >> Pick pick one for now, I guess. Okay, how about this? Child child sex
01:13:15
Rachel Wilsonoffenders. Can we educate them into making better choices? Can Dria go and just sit them down and they have a dialogue? And she says, "Look, Mr. child sex offender, I don't think that you're
01:13:27
Brian Atlasviolating someone else's personal rights and on that basis, I think you should stop it." Rachel, >> do you do you still want Wait one sec. Do you still want the recidivism rate for violent crime stat?
01:13:39
Brian Atlas>> Yes, very good. It says uh over 60% of violent offenders are rearrested for new crime within 8 years of release. >> Uh and then for yours
01:13:49
Brian Atlas>> uh for addiction re rehabilitation programs, it's not clear if that's just voluntary or through the prison system,
01:13:58
Brian Atlasbut uh the success rate ranges between 30% and 70%. Relapse rates of 40 to 60% within the first year. >> So I don't know if that's helpful. So,
01:14:09
Driena Sixtoso my argument is not that we not incarcerate people for these crimes. It's the fact that people can change and rehabilitate. It doesn't mean we even
01:14:20
Driena Sixtorelease them into society. It means that you can change people's minds absolutely while they're serving a prison sentence. It doesn't mean that they have a right to be reintegrated into society. So
01:14:32
Driena Sixtothat's my thing is that yes, even even in prison, you can go in even in prison, you can go in and you can preach the Bible to prisoners or you can show them
01:14:42
Driena Sixtoa better way and you can absolutely rehabilitate them. I'm not arguing for lax criminal punishment laws. I disagree with that. But you're telling me, oh, you know, you can just go
01:14:53
Rachel Wilson>> You don't want lax criminal laws. But why then why would you defend keeping only fans legal? Why should we allow young women to create their own
01:15:04
Driena Sixtopornography, produce it, and put it out into the public? Why? I disagree that it's bad. But the why is because then it sets a dangerous precedent for
01:15:15
Driena Sixtocensorship in the future on things that other people don't like. Because let's say then we fall under the Let me finish. Let's say we fall under the
01:15:25
Driena Sixtogovernment of a, you know, we have a Democrat president and they believe that uh people saying right-wing things on uh live shows like this is bad. So, we are
01:15:38
Driena Sixtogoing to ban that. And they did, by the way, under the Biden administration. Um, so that is that's what I'm saying. Banning things that we don't like and making it illegal is not the way to go.
01:15:49
Driena SixtoThe way to go is showing people why you're right with arguments, with facts, with logic. Uh, and we can't set the president that, you know, we as conservatives and Republicans don't like pornography. It's bad. Therefore, we're
01:16:03
Driena Sixtogoing to make it illegal. Then when a Democrat president comes along, they'll say, Republicans that I get your point, you don't have to keep repeating. >> I I feel like I feel like I need to for you to understand. So, you got it and
01:16:15
Rachel Wilsoneverybody at home got it that it's a bad president. Do you understand that? You take the libertarian progressive view that you have. Sure. But what I would say is >> we believe in right and wrong, don't we? If
01:16:28
Rachel Wilson>> okay, why don't we make things illegal if they are inherently morally evil? You think you said in your opening pornography is evil. Why would we not
01:16:38
Driena Sixtocriminalize the for the s why why do we criminalize murder? Because then because then somebody that has a different definition of evil than me can
01:16:47
Driena Sixtocriminalize something that I believe in. Like for example, uh saying that uh abortion is murder, then you know we should and by the way this is actually
01:16:58
Driena Sixtohappening in the UK. If I go out in the UK and I say abortion is murder and I read the Bible, I'm in the middle of the street, I'm going to get arrested. That's that's
01:17:08
Rachel Wilson>> because leftists like you run the UK. People with your same political positions run the UK and they go they go, "You can't say that. You're going to hurt someone's feelings and they'll be upset and then they won't vote for the
01:17:21
Driena SixtoLabor Party anymore. We need the Muslim vote. Don't tell them they can't have grooming gangs." That's I'm making the argument that you don't ban what you don't like, Rachel. >> I'm not banning something because I don't like it. It's not that you think I
01:17:34
Driena Sixtowant to ban pornography because I don't like it or because it's morally wrong. >> Okay, that's what I believe too. I think it's morally wrong. >> Then why wouldn't you make it illegal? >> Because somebody else might think that's
01:17:45
Driena Sixtosomething I believe in like second. >> So you believe in moral relativism. So everybody gets to have their own version of like second amendment rights. Uh the right to own, you know, guns or
01:17:56
Driena Sixtowhatever. That's morally wrong because it kills people. And then when they're in power, they will ban things that they believe are morally wrong. So that's why you can't set that precedent.
01:18:08
Rachel Wilson>> It's almost like this whole everybody voting thing is just a trap and we're going to end up in a bad position no matter what we do because it's inherently progressive and it will give us a progressive society where we can't
01:18:20
Rachel Wilsontell people the truth and we can't say what's right and wrong because if we offend someone, they won't vote for us and if we offend this group, they're going to start rioting. Do you are you starting to figure it out at all? >> Don't offend. Uh again, just because you can't make good arguments that convince
01:18:34
Driena Sixtopeople, >> I'm not the one who's having trouble making good arguments. That would be you. >> No. Uh you're saying that we should not allow certain blocks of the population
01:18:44
Driena Sixtoto vote because they would in down the line vote against what you want. And that is obviously not the way to do things. The way to do things is by actually talking to people. >> You're actually You're not framing that
01:18:56
Rachel Wilsoncorrectly either, though. I'm not saying, "Oh, don't let this group don't let this group vote because then I won't get what I want." I I asked you what I believe exactly what you're saying. >> Let me finish. You just yap and yap and
01:19:07
Rachel Wilsonyap. So, let me finish first. >> You said at the beginning you work in politics. Your job is to go around the country convincing especially Spanish-speaking people to vote for
01:19:19
Driena SixtoRepublicans. You want them to vote for certain >> I educate I educate his yes personally. Yes. But in my current role yes I educate uh people on what are the
01:19:31
Driena Sixtopolitical policies going on who's promoting them what they are so that they can make educated decisions because with education >> I'm trying to do the same thing in a different way. And what I'm trying to
01:19:42
Rachel Wilsontell you is that the fastest way to get to the utopian dystopian nightmare that is the United Kingdom is to do what you're saying we should do. And you are also showing everybody that you're a
01:19:55
Driena Sixtomoral relativist. >> No, I think that the quickest way to get to where the UK is is by banning free speech, which is what you just advocated for. And how did they get there? >> And banning things that you don't like.
01:20:07
Rachel Wilson>> How did they get there, though? Because the UK hadn't always had laws against free speech. They got that way because of mass immigration, equality,
01:20:17
Rachel Wilsonliberalism, all that stuff, right? And that is what you'll end up address. >> That's what you'll end up with every time because you can't just talk people into doing what's right. People vote based on incent. No, people vote based
01:20:31
Rachel Wilsonon personal incentive. >> I agree with that, too. >> Yes. So if there's a group that comes into the country and they're getting welfare benefits, if there's single moms out there that get welfare benefits,
01:20:42
Rachel Wilsonthey're always going to be voting for that. Yeah. But the reason we got that stuff is because women voted for it, those things would have never been passed. >> I don't think that I that having an open border policy for four years like what
01:20:54
Driena Sixtohappened under the previous administration is something that women voted for. It is. It's something that >> have you looked at the polling data on men versus women on open did women vote
01:21:05
Rachel Wilsonfor the Mexican-American border to be completely open so that >> they voted for all of the people who instituted those policies. No, they did not. >> Yes, they did. Have you looked at border states? You just keep talking about
01:21:18
Brian Atlaspresidential look at border states. Would either of you like me to look up any stats on this on the >> who's are men or women more in favor of illegal immigration
01:21:28
Driena Sixto>> of open of immigration whatever a better one would be uh the percentage of Americans that are for voter ID right it's 83% nationally so men and women
01:21:40
Rachel WilsonDemocrat and Republican for the most part agree on this uh so women are not just these irrational >> everything women want is terrible and horrible the things you don't like. >> It's not about me and what I like. I'm
01:21:53
Rachel Wilsonsaying there's an objective right and wrong and there's objective morality. You're the one who thinks that we should be pandering to people's emotions. >> Uh yes, actually, you know what? That's
01:22:04
Driena Sixtoa great that's a great lesson to learn is that people don't care about uh what you say until they know that you care about something, >> right? >> Women for sure,
01:22:15
Rachel Wilson>> men are much more open to logical. It's not it's not 100%. But that's why women are far more easily swayed and propagandized by emotion. >> But that means that they >> I don't want a country run off of that system. I don't want that.
01:22:27
Driena Sixto>> You have to Rachel, it's called adapting, right? And adapting to the situation. Uh, as somebody that has worked with many different people before, managed teams of people, I know
01:22:39
Driena Sixtothat uh, if I have a group of 10 that they're going to have different personalities, I have this message that I need to get to them and I need to deliver it in 10 different ways so that it comes across a certain way. This is
01:22:51
Rachel Wilsonemotional intelligence, Rachel. >> Oh, yes. Emotional intelligence, which is made up nonsense, >> which we can um, >> emotional intelligence is nonsense. Garbage. Garbage pop psychology. >> Okay.
01:23:05
Driena Sixto>> Do you believe in horoscopes, too? Emotional intelligence. >> She believes in horoscopes, too. >> We're not going to get into a horos We're not going to get into horoscopes. We're going to We're going to I'm not even I'm not even I'm not even going to answer that or entertain it. Let's stick
01:23:18
Brian Atlasto the topic >> really quick. Why don't we do a uh let's let a few chats come through and then we can also dive into a different prompt. Uh but first uh we have Jim Bob Smith.
01:23:31
Brian AtlasThank you for your soup chat. Does the blonde on the right think MAGA and Trump is conservative? She is a conservative in the same liberal way Trump is. Do you want to respond to that?
01:23:42
Driena Sixto>> Um no. No. They can write anything they want. I usually don't respond to people. >> Well, I mean the chat. >> It's a valid point, though. Trump is a '9s Democrat and he's a classical
01:23:52
Driena Sixtoliberal and so are you. Uh, I think that there's things that I agree with Trump on most things, not all things. I'm not a blind uh follower of any politician, period.
01:24:03
Brian Atlas>> All right, we have a chat here from Hold on. Brian's conscious she I should have listened to the unknown soldier when he said to never
01:24:16
Brian Atlashave this low IQ and it went back on the show. Good thing another Wilson is here. So, this episode act is actually uh making money. Okay, thank you for that.
01:24:26
Brian AtlasWe have a chat here from Desert Jorge. He writes, "Rachel, here are the facts." Uh, Drianna, >> did I say it right? >> Drianna. >> Mhm. >> Dria.
01:24:38
Brian Atlas>> Well, that's just like your opinion. I feel that you just hate yourself and I feel like I know what is right and what is wrong. Shout out to the Discord homies. Thank you, Desert Jorge. You know, I haven't even said that yet that you know, you hate yourself. I mean, I
01:24:51
Brian Atlaswas planning on using that bomb at some point. Um, but you know, I guess I hate myself. >> And we have one more here. Whatever fan Rachel, I'm passing out the plates for
01:25:02
Brian Atlasthis barbecue cooking. You're going to do and feed the whole chat from whatever fan. Thank you for that. >> Well, she believes her role is in the kitchen, so I think that's appropriate. >> In fact, the kitchen is the best room in
01:25:15
Brian Atlasthe house. Can't wait to get back there. I even got a hotel room with a kitchenette in it. >> Nice. >> Cuz I wanted to cook my own food. >> Nice. Uh guys, if >> the kitchen is awesome. >> If you're enjoying the stream, please like the video. Also, quick reminder,
01:25:26
Brian Atlas$10 display uh $99 and up for reads. Also, really quick, Tiffany, can you just pull up Twitch? Guys, if you're watching over there on Twitch or you can open up another tab, go to twitch.tv/w whatever. Drop us a follow on a Prime
01:25:38
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01:25:49
Brian AtlasAnd uh if you're enjoying the stream, of course, like the video. Uh right back to the debate. Let me propose a few unless there's something that you guys >> Let's get back on like no fault divorce. >> Get into some of the prompts here. >> We got to do no fault divorce at some
01:26:03
Brian Atlaspoint here. >> Yeah. And women's uh contributions uh to the home and their market value would be a good one to talk about. You also in a social media post you had referred to Rachel
01:26:15
Brian Atlas>> as a pickme. >> I don't know if you guys want to dive into >> dive into that. >> The the what what is a pickme?
01:26:24
Driena Sixto>> A pickme is somebody that panders to uh manosphere men's uh audiences for just
01:26:33
Driena Sixtothe sake of relevancy. um you know and saying yeah women belong in the kitchen you know barefoot and naked uh all the different uh tropes >> I would never say to be barefoot and
01:26:45
Driena Sixtonaked in the kitchen >> um and pregnant the kitchen um you know those kinds of those kinds of tropes um everything that a certain demographic of
01:26:56
Driena Sixtopeople uh want to hear just for relevancy not because it's something you believe you practice or that is correct Okay. So, you don't think that I believe
01:27:07
Driena Sixtoor practice the stuff I'm saying? >> Uh, for the most part, yeah. I mean, you're very against women having a voice in politics. Yet, we're debating here uh for what, it's been two hours or something like that.
01:27:20
Rachel Wilson>> I'm against women. I'm against women voting. I am continuing the proud tradition of my of my anti-suffrage. >> But Rachel, you've voted before in the past. >> Yes. I'll explain.
01:27:30
Rachel Wilson>> Ah, okay. Let's explain that. Go ahead. So, first of all, I'm here to shush your mouth 5 seconds, you little yappy machine. I'm getting to it. It's my turn to talk, though. >> Go for it.
01:27:42
Rachel Wilson>> I'm here to carry on the proud tradition of the majority of women who were against women's suffrage and did not want to be a political voting block and were very happy with their duties as
01:27:54
Rachel Wilsonmothers and wives and community builders and thought that was extremely important. I agree with them wholeheartedly and all their reasons why they didn't want the vote. Now, yes, I did vote. And yes, I will vote again.
01:28:05
Rachel WilsonAnd I'll tell you why. To cancel the vote of a feminist somewhere, and and to double my husband's vote. However you want to look at it. Whoever Andrew votes for, that's who I vote for. And that's
01:28:18
Driena Sixtohow I'm going to cancel out some feminist somewhere vote. >> You're against voting. You've voted in the past. We'll vote in the future. If that's not hypocrisy, I do not I don't know what is, Rachel. >> Okay. Let me ask you a question. If I >> Do you think people watching
01:28:31
Rachel Wilson>> You just said I'm a hypocrite. Let me address it. >> Yes, you are. >> Uh if I had had an abortion when I was in college, let's say like you said, when you were in college and you get told that it's really not bad, it's not even a life, whatever. I I get pregnant.
01:28:44
Rachel WilsonI have an abortion in college. And then later I learn, wait, that is actually murdering a human being. I'm against that and it's wrong. And I go out and I tell people, don't get an abortion. It's wrong. Am I a hypocrite?
01:28:56
Driena Sixto>> No. because you actually changed your behavior >> based on new information. >> It's not a behavior you can change. >> You can change your ideas, what you espouse, and your behavior based on new information. So if I vote,
01:29:09
Driena Sixto>> you'd be a hypocrite. If I vote to cancel a feminist vote, that's hypocritical. be a hypocrite, Rachel, is if you found out this information personally were against abortion now that you know this that it's bad and
01:29:20
Driena Sixtomurder and then still went out and told women abortion is okay and it's not murder, then that is hypocrisy. In your case, what we were talking about previously was voting, right? So, you don't believe women should have the
01:29:31
Rachel Wilsonright to vote. >> But I live in reality, Diana. We don't want to deny reality. You keep telling Andrew he was denying reality. We live in the time and place we live in. Okay. So, I have to be here talking to women
01:29:44
Rachel Wilsonlike you. I have to be here talking to women like you to talk some sense into you to persuade everybody out there that you're wrong. And I have to go and vote because otherwise only the feminists are going to vote.
01:29:55
Rachel Wilson>> You don't have to do anything. >> Oh, I do. I do. It's my duty forcing you. >> It's my duty. >> Oh, it's your duty. >> Yes. Uh speaking of which, do you think women have duties? >> Uh women have uh duties. Do you think >> Well, women have rights. You've spent
01:30:08
Driena Sixtothe whole time talking about what rights women have. Do women have duties? >> I think adults have duties. Yes. >> Well, >> what what duties do you think women have? >> Well, you would say men have a duty to protect the homeland. >> What duties do you believe women have?
01:30:21
Driena Sixto>> Oh, I'm not going to give you any answers. I want to know what you think. >> I know what I think. >> I think that adults have duties and responsibilities as adults. >> But are they the same? >> And in a uh >> are men's and women's duties the same?
01:30:32
Driena Sixto>> In a family uh context, then those differ, right? or they may be similar depending on the structure that they have set up. So for example, uh in the
01:30:44
Driena Sixtopast when people could afford to live on one income and the man could afford to have a stay-at-home wife, then obviously the roles of men and women differed to make it a working partnership. Right?
01:30:55
Driena SixtoNowadays, unfortunately, and this is not uh any of our faults other than the government and elite politicians and all that, uh most men and women do have to
01:31:06
Driena Sixtowork within the family structure. So then obviously their duties and their roles and responsibilities within the households have changed. They have to adapt so that things make sense. >> Such a long answer. You could have given
01:31:19
Rachel Wilsonme like a fiveword answer. It would have been way better because you like to hear yourself talk. >> Free speech. You like to hear me talk too or else you're >> No, I really don't. Do men have a duty
01:31:30
Driena Sixtoto protect our nation? >> Um I think that Well, hold on. Let me unpack that. >> Whose duty? Whose duty is it to protect the nation? >> How? >> From enemies, foreign and domestic.
01:31:42
Driena Sixto>> Um yes, foreign and foreign and domestic. So it depends, right? So men can be police officers, so can women. Uh that would be protecting against
01:31:53
Driena Sixtodomestic enemies, right? Police officers, FBI agents, TSA agents. >> I know I know what they are, but do you think both men and women should equally do those things? So your question >> or is that men's duty?
01:32:06
Driena Sixto>> So your question is very broad because both men and women I'll make it very concise. >> Do do protect this country domestically and uh abroad. When it comes to force, ultimately when it comes to force,
01:32:18
Rachel Wilsonthere's a bunch of illegals trying to cross the border. Somebody has to use physical force to stop them. Whose duty is that? >> Um, >> men or women or both? >> It used to be It used to be that they'd
01:32:30
Driena Sixtosend a lot of ma male foot soldiers, right, in for these kinds of things. Nowadays, we use more technology, right, for those kinds of interventions. >> Always people on the border, though. We have border enforcement agents down
01:32:43
Rachel Wilsonthere with guns. Are you for equality in that job? Do you think we should have equal women and men defending the border? >> I think that there should be a standard of uh can you meet these job
01:32:56
Driena Sixtorequirements? Can you lift certain heavy things? If not, then you do not get that position because it puts us at, you know, >> that's fair. Would you say the same thing in the military? Like you can only be a green beret if you can pass the
01:33:07
Rachel Wilsonstandard. And if you're a woman and you pass the standard, that's fine. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Are you aware that there's never been a woman who has been able to make it through special forces training like green beretss? >> Okay, then they shouldn't be in that position.
01:33:19
Driena Sixto>> So if only men can do those things, >> that green beret position, but I just mentioned that there are plenty of other positions that do defend our country. >> Okay. What percentage what percentage of
01:33:31
Rachel Wilsonwomen do you think are on the front lines in war or defending the border? Very minimal. I'm not uh what I'm not making the argument that >> what about critical infrastructure jobs
01:33:42
Rachel Wilsonlike pouring cement uh getting down in the sewer system and treating the sewer. What about oil rig work? The really heavyduty that keeps society running. >> Yeah. How come only like 2% of those
01:33:55
Driena Sixtopeople are women and even in those fields they're really usually just like holding a sign office? >> I'm not devaluing devaluing in any way men's contributions to society. I think
01:34:06
Driena Sixtothat's super important and we should value them because of that. That's part of my whole argument that women should respect men and thank men for their sacrifices to society as a whole.
01:34:18
Driena Sixto>> But then why should we give women equal rights with women when men are the only ones that can do those critical things? >> Sure. Sure. Okay. Now that you asked me
01:34:27
Driena Sixtowhy should um women also have contributed to society in so many different important ways besides a very important role of historically being the
01:34:38
Driena Sixtoprimary caretakers of children and being a homemaker and raising a home which is the pillar of a strong society. Let's talk about that. Right? You know, we've got women inventors uh that have
01:34:50
Driena Sixtocontributed to things like, you know, dishwasher, just things that we use every single day to make. >> Are you aware of the number of female patents versus male patent holders?
01:34:59
Driena Sixto>> Yes. Um Josephine Cochran dishwasher. Let's see. Um we've got uh Florence Payart. You know, she improved early refrigeration systems. So, because of
01:35:11
Driena Sixtothis woman, we can not have food that goes uh that gets >> bet anything if we look these up. who actually did the work. But okay, let me let me let me finish this because we're talking about contributions to
01:35:23
Driena Sixtosociety. Obviously, I can't memorize all these. I don't have >> uh that kind of a memory, but you know, there's a woman who created the refrigerator. Kevlar, body armor material. Stephanie Quallic used in
01:35:35
Driena Sixtobulletproof vests that our brave brave men use in battle, uh helmets, aircraft components. Uh a woman created the first computer algorithm. Ada Love Lace. She
01:35:46
Driena Sixtowrote the first algorithm for a machine. It's considered the first computer programmer and without this there is no modern software. >> This is all very impressive but beside the industry. No, it's not.
01:35:57
Driena Sixto>> It is totally beside I'm talking about I'm talking about talking about contributions to society. No, you're talking my question to you about >> Gracehopper. Let me finish. Gracehopper
01:36:07
Driena Sixtowhich created the cobalt uh programming language with which banking systems run which government infrastructures use. So
01:36:17
Driena Sixtoour financial system literally depends on this. Um we've got frequency hopping technology uh Lamar which is the foundation of Wi-Fi. >> Did you know that that's false? I can't
01:36:28
Driena Sixtobelieve she did the HDI Lamar thing. That was a man who did that. No, she did not invent that. No, that's you can fact check that. co-founder with a man frequency hopping technology hedi Lamar there you go you can look it up
01:36:41
Driena Sixtopolitical >> if you actually look it up it's well known fake feminist original argument is you know if this is what men contribute to society this is why they get right >> that's not what I said I'm presenting
01:36:53
Rachel Wilson>> I didn't say what people contribute I asked you about force and you dodged and obfuscated and stonewalled to evade my question only men >> also force is the reason why people should vote
01:37:05
Rachel Wilson>> listen to the question, sweet cheeks, and then you can give me an answer. >> Yeah, if you're very Yeah, you're very pretty. Congratulations. But this is a debate, not a beauty pageant. So, you
01:37:15
Rachel Wilsongot to try to focus. >> So, men are the only ones who men are the only ones who can do the hard
01:37:25
Rachel Wilsonforceful jobs that provide us with security and all of this technological infrastructure that allows you to pretend that we are equal with men. We are not equal with men. That doesn't it
01:37:37
Rachel Wilsondoesn't mean that we don't equal in value. I agree. But that relates to duties. Equal in value relates to our duties to society. Men's duties to society are things like building and
01:37:49
Rachel Wilsonmaintaining infrastructure, providing safety and security, keeping out enemies who are going to come in and you know like especially pre-industrial revolution. Oh, you're not going to cut
01:37:59
Rachel Wilsonme off after all that. Come on. Prior to industry and technology, men literally had to keep the barbarian hordes away from the gates. Okay? Like to keep women
01:38:09
Rachel Wilsonsafe because we're people think that we've escaped this natural fundamental thing and we haven't. >> It still requires force at the end of the day. You still need men out there.
01:38:20
Rachel WilsonLook at Iran. Look at Ukraine. Look at the borders. All the national borders. You still need men with force to keep society going. That's men's duty. Agree. What are women's duties to society?
01:38:32
Driena Sixto>> I just I just named them. They have historically been primarily homemakers, right? And also, women have a duty that men can't do, period, which is child birth. >> I'm glad you brought that up. Why aren't
01:38:44
Driena Sixtothey having any babies anymore? >> Because the situation for them is not apt, is not appropriate. It is a lot more difficult, especially uh when it comes to the economy, to to have kids.
01:38:55
Driena Sixtoone and two like I mentioned at the beginning of the show uh we need women need strong men to lead right and to be in a family with and unfortunately
01:39:07
Driena Sixtounfortunately uh the men of today I'm not saying all of them but the men of today are quite literally uh not the same as uh men 50
01:39:18
Driena Sixtoyears ago in fact in fact and there's actual you can pull this up Brian but I have it written here too Um, men are actually physically different than they
01:39:29
Driena Sixtowere years back. As in men nowadays on average have uh lower testosterone than their grandfathers. Um, so for you to say that because uh men have to be the
01:39:41
Driena Sixtoones leading and all of this, >> you're trying to say that, oh, women are not having kids because of women's right to vote or something like that, which is crazy. I'm saying that we need to build
01:39:53
Driena Sixtostrong men back up. We need to encourage them to take care of themselves, to get healthy, to build up their hormones, get their testosterone right, get unaddicted to pornography, drugs, alcohol, vices,
01:40:06
Driena Sixtoand then women will naturally want to have families again. But right now, but right now, they will. Okay. But right now there isn't as high of a percentage
01:40:15
Rachel Wilsonof men that women want to what you call submit to right to get into a marriage with. >> So women are women are not fulfilling their duty to society because man bad.
01:40:27
Rachel Wilson>> Did I just did I say >> the men just need to get better. The men need to get better. They need to improve. The men are in a sad sorry state. And that's why the women don't want to have babies. >> It's it's a fact. I'm not saying man bad. I'm saying
01:40:40
Driena Sixto>> why aren't women fulfilling their duty? Why are women not fulfilling their duties? Is it because the men aren't good enough? >> I'm saying men unhealthy in fact. And uh this is something >> men are unhealthy and that's why women aren't that's why the birth rate is so
01:40:53
Driena Sixtolow cuz the men are unhealthy. >> Let me Are you going to let me finish or let's >> Are you ever going to get to a point? >> Yes. You just need to stop interrupting.
01:41:01
Driena SixtoUm, so yes, for example, um, one in 10 kids nowadays has autism, is born with autism out of all births. >> Can you just ever answer a question
01:41:12
Rachel Wilsonwithout going on? >> Can you relax and let me make my point? >> I'm just going to take a bathroom break while she laughs and then I'll just come back and ask you the same question.
01:41:22
Driena Sixto>> Um, fantastic. For those uh, watching, one in 10 kids are born with autism in this country. Unfortunately um unfortunately the men's health and the
01:41:34
Driena Sixtowomen's health is very important when it comes to uh fertility when it comes to the health of a woman's pregnancy and the men's health prior to conception is
01:41:45
Driena Sixtoextremely important um in making sure that that baby is healthy. Alcohol consumption is the uh is one of the
01:41:54
Driena Sixtolargest causes of uh mutations and defects in men's uh swimmers. And so if men want to uh help the woman have a
01:42:06
Driena Sixtosmoother pregnancy, a healthier pregnancy, then they have to take care of their of their health first. Women do too. I'm not saying it's like women should just do whatever. Um, but again,
01:42:18
Driena Sixtothis is responsibility on both people's parts and women might not be having kids as much as they did before because
01:42:27
Driena Sixtoagain, the economy is freaking terrible. Women don't want to have kids that are going to struggle or go without. And men
01:42:38
Driena Sixtoneed to realize this and know that, okay, maybe I can't be a man that provides everything and can afford a stay-at-home wife, but at the very least going,
01:42:48
Driena Sixto>> I can help uh in the household and we can contribute financially and also with labor in the household. >> That's what I'm saying. Okay, Rachel, >> so I'm just going to defeat everything you said with one simple thing. I'll
01:43:01
Rachel Wilsonjust point out the fact that the only people having children are the poorest people. So if the problem was money, we would see rich people having all the babies and poor people would not be having the babies. So you're absolutely wrong on that. In fact, we've done
01:43:14
Rachel Wilsonstudies are more responsible. >> Okay, now it's my turn. Now it's my turn. They've done studies on this because dropping birth rates around the world are an extremely serious problem. There are think tanks around the world, including the World Health Organization
01:43:27
Rachel Wilsonthat are saying this could be civilizational ending for some countries. So they've studied it at length and the number one coralate around the world regardless of culture,
01:43:37
Rachel Wilsonfinances, religion, any other factor is women's access to higher education and the job market. This means that when you tell young women to spend all of their
01:43:49
Rachel Wilsonfertile years going to college and preparing for a job and then get into the workforce and establish your career before you think about marriage and family, what you end up with is we have
01:44:01
Rachel Wilsonnow women getting married and having babies for the first time at around the age 30, 31 when in my grandma's generation, shout out to grandma, she's turning 100 on April 1st. Love you
01:44:11
Rachel Wilsongrandma. She uh in her generation the first age of marriage was around 22 >> and you got you had a baby usually that same year. >> So now you're also arguing against women's education. >> Don't put words in my mouth. Let me finish. You just yappity yapped that
01:44:25
Rachel Wilsonwhole time. >> Rachel, I ran. So >> it's an option, you know. >> So the truth is it's not finances. It's not uh men are weak, men need more testosterone, men need to get their bag,
01:44:38
Rachel Wilsonmen need to blah blah blah. That's mindblowing to me that you would ever pin this on men because you're like you're like the men at Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt
01:44:50
Rachel Wilsonme. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt. Do you want a bathroom break and I can just talk? >> Go for it. Go. >> Okay. >> You say the we would have more babies if the men would lead. But then you say,
01:45:02
Rachel Wilson"I'm not going to follow a man. I have my own mind and I'm a strong independent woman and I'm just as equal as he is and I'm I think it should be equal." How can you be equal and he could lead at the same time? >> Yeah, that's that's such a crazy concept for you to understand, but it is
01:45:16
Driena Sixtopossible. >> Okay, tell me how. >> I am in a relationship with a man that I also look up to that I also that leads
01:45:25
Driena Sixtoand at the same time uh we both vote. What is what is the argument you're trying to make that you can't >> How does he lead if you don't submit? >> Who the heck is talking about
01:45:36
Driena Sixtosubmission? I'm talking about voting, Rachel. And you just made an argument again against women's education now. So now it's not just women not being able to vote and women not having
01:45:48
Rachel Wilson>> a should. I did not make a should argument. I just told you what the reason is, >> but also women shouldn't have access to >> you know the difference between an ought statement and an is statement. I said the reason is
01:46:00
Rachel Wilson>> this. Does that mean I'm saying women ought not be allowed to be educated? >> Is that okay? I'm asking you that question. Do you believe that? >> No. I think that women I think that women have this is another big myth that
01:46:12
Rachel WilsonDrianna probably believes >> that women were that women were denied education. Do you think that there was no equality in education until recently or something like that? >> No. Um No, actually. And in fact, women
01:46:24
Driena Sixtohold more degrees than men. >> Yeah. But what about what about 100 years ago or 150 years ago? >> I'm not exactly sure. But I do know that uh education was heavily influenced by
01:46:34
Driena Sixtopeople that made it so uh it's harder to get an education. So it's more of an elite thing. Um and that's a whole thing. The Rockefellers and whatnot. But >> that's true. But some of the first
01:46:47
Rachel Wilsoncolleges in this country were women's only colleges >> and there were also a lot of black colleges had access and then Rockefellers got involved and it got cut to like 10%. If we didn't have a birth rate problem in 1860 when all the women could go to college, why do we have it
01:47:00
Rachel Wilsonnow? Because of a hundred years of feminist propaganda from people like you and Taylor Swift and Beyonce and Camala Harris. >> No, I'm saying now we have this problem
01:47:10
Rachel Wilsonbecause women like you and I heard you say on and I take major issue with this. you somebody finally pulled it out of you in the dating talk podcast that you do look down on women like me who don't
01:47:21
Rachel Wilsonhave a degree and aren't in the workforce having you said look if you all don't have a relation you said you don't feel that women who don't have their own money and career and all this stuff
01:47:32
Driena Sixto>> you never said that I dare you to like I I don't have cash but I guess we could >> say you looked down on them but you said you did not consider them successful like you or something like that >> you know Rachel what I do remember
01:47:43
Driena Sixtosaying is in Brian Ryan's hypothetical fun thing that he does on every podcast where he's like, "Oh, do you think women should uh on the first time that they're
01:47:53
Driena Sixtoover at my house cook and clean and do uh laundry for them? Do you think you should women should do that?" And I'm like, "No, that's ridiculous." And most people that listen to that know it's
01:48:05
Driena Sixtofreaking ridiculous. And women that do say, "Yeah, you know, I would totally like first time over a guy's house do his laundry." Uh yes, I do believe those are something wrong with >> it. It started that way, but eventually
01:48:17
Rachel Wilsonthrough the course of the conversation, you basically said >> outside of that parameter, that is it. >> Okay, I'll just take your your word for that. But >> people can go back and look at that. It's actually one of the
01:48:29
Rachel Wilson>> So women, so we've established that the fact of what's actually true is that women are not not having children because the men are too weak. They need to up their game. They need to be better leaders. They need more testosterone.
01:48:41
Rachel Wilsonthe men are lacking and that's why the women aren't having babies. The women aren't having babies because they go to college and they build careers first and they delay their first child until
01:48:52
Rachel Wilsonthey're 30s. And if you do that, >> there's a whole bunch of reasons why that doesn't work. The first is you're already past the majority of your fertility window. After 35, even with
01:49:02
Rachel WilsonIVF, the odds of conceiving just go down drastically every year. That's a biological fact. The second thing is when you build your life around this idea that you have to have goals and be
01:49:13
Rachel Wilsonsuccessful and you've spent all your life, everything you're doing is towards your career for that purpose. Women find it extremely hard to flip a switch and suddenly be a mom and a stay-at-home mom
01:49:26
Driena Sixtoor like dedicate their lives to something outside themselves, which is what our duty is. So, Rachel, uh it is statistical fact, and you can look this
01:49:35
Driena Sixtoup, um that women with higher uh education degrees have lower rates of divorce. So, since I am pro- marriage and pro-successful marriage, not just
01:49:47
Driena Sixtoget married all willy-nilly. Um that is why I do believe it's a good thing that women have uh education. And it makes sense, right? you know, you are educated and therefore you want to establish
01:49:59
Rachel Wilsonyourself before starting a family so that it is something that is strong and again >> didn't you say you're against women going to college didn't you when >> at the beginning I said we something
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Rachel Wilsonabout college and you said I agree I think college is a scam too I think you shouldn't go unless you're getting a STEM degree >> yeah that's >> how many women get STEM degrees >> how how do those two things how are they >> you just said you think women should go to college and get an education
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Rachel Wilson>> Uh-huh. Uh, >> okay. But isn't college a scam? >> Unless you're going for a STEM degree. >> Did you get a STEM degree? >> Uh, no. Okay. >> And I got lucky. >> Do you know what Do you know what percentage of STEM degrees are earned by women? It's like 20%.
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Rachel Wilson>> See, I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not telling people to do something that I'm an exception for. >> But I didn't even accuse you of hypocrisy. I'm just saying most women don't go for STEM. The vast majority 80% of women's degrees are liberal arts
01:50:51
Driena Sixtononsense. >> A lot of them. Yes. But still. So why would we push that? >> The fact still stands that the more education, formal education women have, the lower the divorce rate.
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Driena Sixto>> But do you think higher? Let's address that. Let's address that cuz do you think that >> do you not want people to not get divorced? >> Do you think you need college to not get divorced? >> No, I'm just saying that there's that correlation.
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Rachel Wilson>> That a correlation doesn't equal a cause. So telling women telling women to go to college because you have a lower chance of getting divorced would be That would be like the ice cream problem. Have you ever heard of
01:51:27
Rachel Wilsonthe ice cream problem? >> No. You're saying uh women aren't having kids because they're going to college. >> Yes. And they're focused on career and building career cuz we tell them if you're smart and successful, this is what you're going to do. And if you're a
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Driena Sixtostay-at-home mom, you're a loser and you're lame and you're you're going to get abused. You're going to be vulnerable. But uh when I have daughters
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Driena Sixtoum I am absolutely going to tell them you need to have something uh of value that you can depend on because uh
01:52:00
Driena Sixtobecause you can't just basically put yourself up as uh somebody that is dependent on neither the government nor another person right so yes I would absolutely tell boys and girls set
01:52:12
Driena Sixtoyourself up for life in whichever way you see fit it could be getting a STEM degree in college. It could be going to a vocation, no middle school, doing some kind of trade, business, whatever.
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Driena SixtoAbsolutely establish yourself before coming into uh a relationship with somebody else. And if you do decide to be >> What do you mean by that though? Establish yourself. Do you have to have like a 401k? Do you have to have a savings? What do you have?
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Driena Sixto>> Some kind of >> just any old job. >> Some Yeah. Some kind of way for you to be able to to depend on yourself. God forbid the worst happens, you know. But you can't do that. Do you know what the
01:52:48
Rachel Wilsonaverage jobs are that people work? The average person makes for women it's like 40k a year. For men it's like 60k a year. Okay. Most of us have like basic ass jobs that we can get straight out of
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Rachel Wilsonhigh school. I did that. I didn't need to go to college and get into debt. Which is the other big problem. Women come up for you. >> It's the same thing now. Yes, it is. It
01:53:11
Rachel Wilsonis the same thing now. the thing the jobs that are in demand are not liberal arts degrees. In fact, there's a ton of data showing that if you have liberal arts degrees, you have the hardest time finding a job because you don't have
01:53:22
Rachel Wilsonpractical skills. And employers don't even want that anymore. They look for people who try to start businesses. They look for people who are selfarters, smart, self-educated. I'm debating you today with nothing but a cosmetology
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Driena Sixtolicense. >> Fantastic. I agree that having degrees does not change facts and having a title does not make for any kind of an argument. I'm not. >> So, if you can get a retail management
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Driena Sixtojob by the time you're 21, why can't you get married and start having kids? >> Sure. You know, what I'm saying is that uh having kids and being a stay-at-home
01:53:58
Driena Sixtomom, obviously very valuable. It does take you out of the workforce and if you were to get back in it, then it'd make it a lot more difficult. So,
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Driena Sixto>> if women decide to be stay-at-home moms, they need some kind of protection, agreement, guarantee before marriage with the husband to make sure that the
01:54:19
Driena Sixtokids primarily are taken care of, god forbid, the worst happens, which is uh a split or a divorce. So, that is what I'm saying. I'm just being a logical uh reasonable person and I'd prescribe the
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Rachel Wilsonsame thing for men. You know, >> you're not being logical and you're not being reasonable and we're going to figure this out together. Okay. So, how >> how are we going to combat birth rates dropping like a rock and
01:54:45
Rachel Wilsontell women you need to have your own money. You need to have a fail safe. You need to have a backup plan. You can't really leave the job market because if you do, it makes it really hard to get back. >> Let's work on solutions, right, for this country. Let's focus on this country at
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Driena Sixtothe very least. It's the one we care about. Um, I think it'd be very helpful for women and men in this country if we weren't importing the third world or filling jobs that Americans can fill.
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Driena Sixto>> Yeah. Why do we have to do that? Do you know why? Cuz we're not having babies. And if the women were having babies, we wouldn't have to import our entire labor force from the third world. >> Because we have sellout politicians that
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Rachel Wilsondon't answer to us and answer to foreign interests. And that's why they're doing it. We have a labor shortage. That's real. That's a real thing. We have a serious, not just us, almost the whole world.