Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate | Whatever Debates 26
Date: 2026-03-29
Duration: 6h 07m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Driena Sixto(guest)
SPEAKER_03Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:16
IntroBrian introduces debate: Rachel Wilson vs Driena Sixto
00:25:17
Key MomentRachel: if women didn't vote, there would never be another Democrat president
01:43:03
Key MomentRachel demolishes economic argument for low birth rates: poorest people have most children
02:25:30
QuoteDriena's closing: suggests Rachel take one-way trip to Iran if she doesn't like women's rights
05:38:09
QuoteRachel's closing: Driena came unarmed to a debate. If it was a beauty pageant she'd do great.
Topics Discussed
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Women's Suffrage and 19th Amendment
Central debate. Rachel argues women shouldn't vote. Driena argues voting is inherent right.
00:45:23
Prenuptial Agreements
Extended debate between Rachel and Driena on prenups and financial independence in marriage.
01:02:10
Pornography: Ban or Free Speech?
Rachel advocates criminalizing porn. Driena opposes banning despite agreeing its harmful.
01:38:32
Birth Rate Collapse
Rachel argues women's access to education is #1 correlate to declining birth rates.
02:42:09
Force and Patriarchy
Rachel argues rights only exist because men with force grant them.
Transcript
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Brian AtlasWelcome to a debate edition of the Whatever podcast. We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California. I'm your host and moderator, Brian Atlas. Few quick announcements before the show begins. This podcast is viewer supported. So, please consider donating
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Brian Atlascan see the description for all triggers and full details. Without further ado, uh can you uh yeah, hide that for a moment? Without further ado, I am joined today by Rachel Wilson. She is the wife
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Brian Atlasof Andrew Wilson. She is a mother of five children as well as author of the bestselling book, Occult Feminism.
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Brian AtlasAlso joining us today is Drianna Sixto. She's a political analyst and commentator as well as Spanish media director for the Lincoln Media
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Brian AtlasFoundation. She received bachelor's degrees in political science and international relations from Florida International University. You each get a
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Brian Atlasfive minute opening about five minute five six seven minute opening statement each and then we're going to head straight into opening conversation. And Rachel, you're going first with your opening statement. Go ahead. >> All right. Well, thanks Brian for
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Rachel Wilsonhosting this. Thanks Diana for coming. This is a debate I've wanted to have for a long time. It's very easy to debate like very woke leftist feminists and make them look kind of crazy. But I think that it's important that we have
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Rachel Wilsonthis discussion between women on the right as well because I think we have a very serious problem in the media, especially with women who say they're right-wing, conservative, whatever kind of like term you want to use to say
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Rachel Wilsonthey're on that side of things. Um, I think that just because you're not woke doesn't mean that you're conservative and it doesn't mean that you're not feminist. So, Andrianna's first
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Rachel Wilsonappearance, she said that she came to the podcast to help men and women and like heal the divide and find a way to have good relationships again. Um, she said she wants both parties to recognize
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Rachel Wilsonthe what the other party brings to the table. So, we'll talk about the table for sure. Um, but I think her view and understanding of what feminism is, like
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Rachel Wilsonmost people, is based on propaganda, facious views of history through presantism, and just ignorance, which I don't blame her for. I'm not like calling her an ignorant person. She's a
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Rachel Wilsonsmart person. But most of us just haven't gotten the real story. We've heard a lot of things that we repeat and we don't really know why and and they're not exactly accurate. So, I want to
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Rachel Wilsonaddress some of that. Um, I think that once I demonstrate that Drianna actually holds a lot of more classical liberal, egalitarian, and therefore feminist views, what I predict is going to happen
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Rachel Wilsonis she's probably going to want to obuscate, uh, do some stonewalling and maybe even personal insults. Hopefully, we don't have to go there, but I'm just going to keep redirecting it back to the topic and back to what we're here to
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Rachel Wilsondiscuss, which is feminism, especially among women on the right. Andrew calls them fem cons like feminist conservatives but they're also kind of
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Rachel Wilsonrunning a con. Right? So Drianna sees marriage more as a interpersonal legal contract whereas my view of marriage is
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Rachel Wilsona lifelong sacramental religious commitment. So we're going to have some you know trying to find some common ground to talk about marriage from those
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Rachel Wilsonvery different worldviews. But the problem with this is that uh you know seeing she made this assertion that she's a capitalist and that she's coming at this from a conservative capitalist
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Rachel Wilsonview. But right out of the gate in your last appearance we saw that that's not the case because you said that you want things like prenuptual agreements, no fault divorce, and the origins of no fa
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Rachel Wilsonfault divorce are Marxist in and of themselves. The first mention of such a thing was Frederick Engel's lifelong collaborator with Karl Marx, a revolutionary socialist. And then after
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Rachel Wilsonhe started to talk about marriage as this state contract, this no fault divorce idea of what marriage could be, that was picked up by other people who then ran with it.
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Rachel WilsonUh the other problem that we have is this idea that uh women's unpaid domestic labor is capitalist which was another assertion that you had that I would take issue with. That's another
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Rachel Wilsonthing that is uniquely socialist and Marxist in its origins and in its nature. Um there were women like Maria Maroso Deacosta and Selma James whose work was adopted by socialist labor
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Rachel Wilsonunions. They were the ones that came up with this idea of women's unpaid domestic labor in the home. And uh labor unions who wanted socialism ran with that because they thought it was a really good way to get
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Rachel Wilsonwomen out of the home and into the workforce where then the workers of the world could unite and we could get enough numbers on the socialist side to have a socialist revolution. So that is
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Rachel Wilsondefinitely not a capitalist position. That's a Marxist socialist position. Um, and then you had this um, assertion to Andrew that people with prenuptual
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Rachel Wilsonagreements get less divorce. And he argued that, okay, that's could be correlated, but you can't prove that that's the cause or the reason. And I did a deep dive on that data. And he was absolutely correct. Instinctually, he
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Rachel Wilsonwas he didn't have data at the top of his head, but he knew that that was instinctually not causal. And when I dug into it, I in fact found that there are small small like surveys they've done
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Rachel Wilsonwhere it seems that people who have prenuptual agreements maybe have less divorce, but that that's a selection bias issue. That uh people who have prenuptual agreements have higher
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Rachel Wilsonincomes, they have more education. So um there's nothing causal there saying a prenup is going to put you at less risk. It's more of a correlation. So, I think there's just like a whole bunch of misunderstandings about this, and I'm
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Rachel Wilsonsuper glad that we get to sit down and talk about this. Uh, the great Rush Limba used to talk about the info babes at Fox News, the right-wing conservative media women. Um, and say, "Hey, this is a problem because they're actually not
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Rachel Wilsonconservative. They usually have a separate agenda for women. They usually have more of a classical liberal ealitarian view." And to me, that is feminist. I mean, feminism came out of the Great Enlightenment. and the idea of
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Rachel Wilsonegalitarianism of trying to make everybody equal, social equality, social justice. So, I'm happy to get into this and sort that out because I don't think it's a conversation we have enough. >> And does that conclude your opening
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Driena Sixtostatement? Okay. Uh, go ahead with your opening statement, please. >> Absolutely. Hi guys. Happy to be here again. So, for clarification, no, not a feminist in any way. Uh, for the first
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Driena Sixtotime in my life, I actually was called a feminist just a few weeks back when I was on the show by uh, Rachel's husband. Uh, I'm pro- capitalism, pro-life, I'm pro marriage, pro-children. I'm pro-
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Driena Sixtosecond amendment, pro- small government. I am pro- US constitution, pro- homeschooling, and I believe taxation is
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Driena Sixtotheft. uh what I lovingly call uh repeal the 19th racial and I disagree on is that women have a right to vote and have
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Driena Sixtoequal rights uh under the law as men do. That's it. I am not here to argue in favor of feminism and I really don't care about its history. Uh my argument
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Driena Sixtois that the root cause uh like you mentioned of most of our societal problems is the current disconnect uh between men and women which has encouraged uh it has been encouraged by
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Driena Sixtoyears by different entities, government entities uh to divide and conquer us, put us at odds with one another. Uh not that women can finally vote. That's not
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Driena Sixtowhat's causing it. And to help create uh a strong society with strong families, we need to bridge this gap, yes, between men and women and get both sides to
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Driena Sixtounderstand the other's inherent value. I also live in reality. Uh we are currently in a never-beforeseen uh scenario in history, right?
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Driena SixtoUnaffordability is the highest it's ever been. The gap between wages and home prices is the largest it's ever been. I believe that's by design uh to keep us, you know, pissed off in a rat race,
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Driena Sixtounable to reflect on really, you know, who's behind all of this so that we can unite as a society and fight back against it. Um at the same time, women
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Driena Sixtoand men, well, women specifically have relatively recently achieved true legal uh and financial equality in history. In
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Driena Sixtofact, Gen X like Rachel here because I think it was 1980 which is the cutoff is the first generation of women to live under true equality in the US which was
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Driena Sixtoachieved with the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974. Uh before that women couldn't have credit nor get loans without a male co-signer and that's only 52 years ago.
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Driena SixtoSo for the first time in modern history uh women are not financially dependent on men to live and I argue that we should extract the positive things out
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Driena Sixtoof this crazy situation that we're in. Uh and that's that since men and women don't financially need each other anymore, they can choose to come together for reasons other than
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Driena Sixtofinancial reasons like the character of the person and I don't know love. Um, so, uh, good, loyal, smart, capable, intelligent, emotionally intelligent men
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Driena Sixtosee it as their time to shine, right? Because it's not about the money anymore. It's about being kind, equally competent as an adult, equally responsible for adult responsibilities,
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Driena Sixtoespecially if you want to have a family. And this is what most women want. Now, for those of you guys that are hearing this uh, for the first time, we all know that the economy is absolute shite right
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Driena Sixtonow. Okay. And that raising a family on a single income uh is a luxury that most Americans can't afford. So instead of listening to womenhating manosphere
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Driena Sixtopodcasts that call you men specifically losers unless you're making a million dollars a year and that say women are materialistic or promiscuous and therefore you know uh they're responsible for the loneliness epidemic.
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Driena SixtoI suggest listening to people that don't make a living off of dividing the sexes, right? And making the problem worse, which I think is evil. And if we're trying to promote strong traditional
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Driena Sixtofamily units, well, uh, which I am, despite the economy, men need to become the kind of leaders that women can look up to, can trust, and can depend on. And
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Driena Sixtoit's in a woman's nature to look for these things in men for partnership, which means men cutting vices that keep you weak, addicted, and with a warped
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Driena Sixtosense of reality when it comes to women, like pornography, which a majority of men consume. And I argue is the single largest contributor to the decay in
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Driena Sixtorelationships between the sexes. And I think afterwards, women will naturally want to look forward to relationships with men uh more because why would a woman marry a man that watches porn and
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Driena Sixtothinks it's okay to do that while in a relationship, which in my book is emotional cheating, or why would she marry a man that wants her to work and split bills, which I understand is the
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Driena Sixtoreality of most Americans, but then isn't equally competent or responsible partner when it comes to household duties or raising children. It just sounds like an irrational deal. Or
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Driena Sixtoworse, why would a woman want to give children to men who think being a stay-at-home mom has no inherent value? It's just what women are supposed to do when raising kids, right, is the pillar
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Driena Sixtoof a strong society. And the market value of what a stay-at-home mom does is extremely high. Or worse, nowadays, there's men that say women that do want to be stay-at-home wives means that
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Driena Sixtothey're gold diggers. when nobody ever called grandma or great grandma a gold digger for being a homemaker her entire life. Right? So, the solution to our modern problems isn't telling women that
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Driena Sixtothey shouldn't be allowed to vote or have financial independence, which is just a stupid sexist losing message for the right. um but to make sure that men
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Driena Sixtoand women value the opposite sex and what they contribute to society. And the onus is on men to hold themselves accountable and become men worthy of
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Driena Sixtoleading a family because women can't and shouldn't trust men or follow men that let vices or urges control them. And without strong men, uh women have had to
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Driena Sixtostep into their masculine energy and fill that void. Um and that's the problem we face. not that women have rights, right? And if you disagree with
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Driena Sixtohuman basic human rights for women, then I suggest never to be a hypocrite and take a one-way trip to Iran where women don't have rights and can't vote, right? Just like I'd recommend communists here
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Driena Sixtoin the US to take a one-way flight to Cuba if they don't like it here so much. That's my closing statement. Well, opening statement. >> Okay. Uh, would either of you like to respond to anything you've heard there or?
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Driena Sixto>> Well, I think let's start with what do you think feminism is and then I'll tell you what I think feminism is. >> So, I don't really care because so many people have different definitions. I only care about two things, which is
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Driena Sixtowomen voting and women having financial independence. That's it. I'm not here to argue for feminism in any other way. Just a woman's right to vote and a woman's equal financial rights and
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Rachel Wilsonopportunities as men. So egalitarian rights. >> Okay, >> that's it. >> So almost everything that you stated as your values and the things you care about here and in your opening are actually classical liberal positions.
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Rachel WilsonThey are not conservative positions. Are you aware of that? >> Explain which one. >> So saying uh egalitarianism that was part of the French Revolution, the ethos
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Rachel Wilsonliberty, equality, fraternity, that's a revolutionary classical liberal idea. It's not a right-wing conservative idea. I I don't care about So this is this
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Driena Sixtomight be a short, you know, debate. >> Well, you said you were a conservative. So >> again, the only argument I'm making is that all citizens have inherent values. Doesn't matter the sex, doesn't matter
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Driena Sixtothe gender, doesn't matter the nationality, ethnicity, or anything. I want you to make me an argument why you think that that shouldn't be the case. Why women should be held right if you don't like America, you can
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Rachel Wilsonleave, right? If you don't think America's the best, you can leave. We We care about American foundational values, right? >> Western values. >> Okay. Well, you said America, but let's just say Western. >> Okay. Are you aware that this country
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Driena Sixtowas not founded on the idea of universal suffrage? That's a new progressive idea. >> I know that it was not uh originally working that way, but the US
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Driena SixtoConstitution and the idea of the United States absolutely saw us all as equals. And then throughout the years we had to
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Driena Sixtosuper specifically define it because you know it wasn't put that blatant uh from the beginning of time but it's there in the constitution that we all have inherent rights from God as equal human
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Rachel Wilsonbeings. >> That's funny because it took until the progressive era to pass the 19th amendment which was a progressive piece of legislation. It was not conservative. So, all I'm trying to do is say, please
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Rachel Wilsondon't use the label conservative if you're actually a classical liberal. So, let's just get that straight. All of your positions are classical liberal positions and you're doing what a lot of MAGA babes do. They're like, I like
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Rachel WilsonTrump and I want to deport illegals and I'm not super woke, therefore I'm conservative. That's why I don't I don't use the label conservative because it means nothing anymore because people like you are actually libertarians.
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Rachel WilsonYou're classical liberals. you lean more progressive than not and you call yourself conservative and then say I'm the radical weirdo who's like this crazy person.
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Driena Sixto>> Yeah. Well, there's limited amounts of titles on what to call people's individual political beliefs. There's usually just conservative, libertarian, Republican, Democrat.
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Driena Sixto>> Don't you have political science >> and Yeah. Yeah. And >> so why are you not aware that you're a classical liberal? Uh, no. Because that wouldn't specifically define my ideas.
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Driena SixtoMy personal ideas are way too broad. You can't just >> Okay. >> What are some conservative positions that you have? >> Conservative positions. I believe um taxation is theft. We should have >> That's a libertarian idea.
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Rachel Wilson>> Um, yeah. Which our founding fathers were very much uh for >> the first thing George Washington did was institute the uh tax and we fought a whiskey rebellion over it. So no, the
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Rachel Wilsonfounders were not against taxation. Maybe taxation without representation, >> but we had representation and they said now that we have representation, we're going to tax you. So it is not a conservative idea to be completely
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Driena Sixtoagainst taxation. That is a libertarian idea. >> Mhm. It's Yeah. And I still believe it's it's true that it is still theft. So let's find the conservative position
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Driena Sixto>> because anything that is done through coercion, right, is is theft. You don't pay taxes. Libertarian. That's a dyed in the wool libertarian position, which is cool. I'm not even saying there's anything wrong with that. But then
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Driena Sixtoyou're a libertarian. >> You can't put that title on me because it doesn't also qualify. Tell me any position you have. Any position you have that's conservative. >> So conserv So I believe in our second
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Rachel Wilsonamendment rights, right? >> That's also a classical liberal value. >> Okay. So I'm a little bit of this and that, right? >> Nope. You're just a classical liberal. I'm looking for one conservative because libertarian just classical liberal is
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Driena Sixtolibertarian. They're the same thing. >> So I'm I'm a mix of both. >> Political science major, by the way. Don't go to college. It's a giant waste of money. >> I actually agree with that. >> Awesome. >> Um I actually agree with that. You know, I went to school and I got my degrees
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Driena Sixtoand thankfully I'm working in the field that I went to school for. But uh you can learn most everything about politics and international relations by staying in the loop. Let each other finish
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Driena Sixtoplease. by staying in the loop of things. Um, I actually do tell people, don't go to college unless you're going to go get a STEM degree. In fact, I think I got myself most of my positions
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Driena Sixtoby skipping classes and actually being active in the community and uh, experiencing reality rather than just reading political theories and books, which I had to do as well. >> Still just want one conservative just
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Driena Sixtoone and then I'll move on from this point. Just one actually conservative >> position. Conservative position. I'm very pro- family. I'm very pro-life. That is >> So, you're against abortion? >> Yes, I'm against abortion.
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Driena Sixto>> And if you're pro- family, how do you feel about gay marriage? >> I think that basically the government should have never gotten involved in marriage in the first place. >> But you said you live in reality and that right now the government's involved
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Rachel Wilsonand it's a government contract, which is why women need prenups and all this stuff. You said we live in reality. So, we live in reality right now where gay marriage is legal. Are you for that or against that? If the gays want to uh
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Driena Sixtocome into a partnership together, then they should have legal protections. >> So gay marriage, you're progay marriage. >> I'm not progay marriage. I'm saying if
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Driena Sixtotwo people want to live together and have to legally sign that they are in a civil union so that one can go to the hospital for the other and be admitted
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Driena Sixtothe same rights that uh married couples do, then they need to go do that. I'm in favor of that. But I don't think that the government should have gotten into marriage in the first place. The reality
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Rachel Wilsonis, however, that marriage does afford certain privileges that unmarried couples do have. >> So legal advantage. >> Are you in favor then of gay marriage? Cuz it kind of dodged around. Do you
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Rachel Wilsonjust want civil unions that are different from then how you how I'm married or how you would get married? Um, I mean, most I guess gay couples I
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Driena Sixtothink just wanted the same legal rights and tax uh tax benefits of married couples, not the fact that they could do
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Rachel Wilsonget an address and a tuxedo and go in a church and get married because then they would have to take it up with the church itself. See, and this is the problem with your libertarian position of turning marriage into a contract with
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Rachel Wilsonthe state is that you have no grounds on which to say the gays can't get married. >> It has because your reasons your reasons for men and women getting married are going to be the exact same reasons that
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Driena Sixtoyou're going to say gay couples should get married. has always been even before you know churches existed and Christianity and all that marriages,
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Driena Sixtocivil unions have always had some kind of legal contract and uh observed within the communities that like in Rome for example, right? There were certain
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Driena Sixtoprivileges and certain responsibilities that were given to civily married unions. >> You're talking about pagan Rome or Christian Rome >> before? Yeah. Yeah. >> Pagan Rome. Yep. Okay. And there's been
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Driena Sixtocivil there's been again the union of man and woman since the beginning of time. Right. Even in the Bible, man, man and woman became >> Wait, hold on. Let Let her finish.
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Driena Sixto>> Yeah. Man and woman became one before God uh not before the church. Right. I think that's how I personally see marriage myself. I think that if two
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Driena Sixtopeople want to come together and call themselves, you know, a couple officially before God, that's it. And then obviously you're going to want to get legally married because of the uh
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Driena Sixtobenefits that exist. But that's what that's what I care about. And again, that's just my personal opinion. I still want to again get an argument from you as to why women should not be able to
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Rachel Wilsonvote. Why, Rachel? >> Well, first I just let you talk. So now I'm going to talk. I'm going to respond to everything you just said. First of all, you didn't give me a straight answer. You gave me a whole bunch of
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Rachel Wilsongobbledegook and wandering meandering nonsense to say that basically, you know, at the beginning of this and in your last appearance, you were like, "Oh, I live in reality where uh the government is a part of the contract."
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Rachel WilsonThat's actually not true. So this the first people to make marriage not a sacrament of the church governed by the ecclesiastical authority of the church was Alexander Colintai under Vladimir
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Rachel WilsonLenin during the Bolevik Revolution. In 1917, Russia was the first place in the world that we had a state contract governed by the state with no fault divorce. That is not a Christian
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Rachel Wilsoninstitution. It's not even an ancient pagan institution as you noted. But back in those days, even under pagans, it was more of a family contractual agreement where you're marrying for the purpose of two families kind of uniting and a lot
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Rachel Wilsonof things went into that. >> But no, this is brand new. This idea of marriage as just this personal contract you have with somebody that's governed by the state is only about 100 years old
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Rachel Wilsonand you basically just told me that you're pro-gay marriage. So I'm still I'll answer >> put words in my mouth. >> Then you have to answer either yes or no. Are you for gay marriage rights or not? You are for human rights. You're
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Rachel Wilsonfor rights. Are you for >> under the law? Yes. >> Right. Are you for gay marriage rights? Should gays be able to have the same legal marriage that men and women have? >> Yes. >> Okay. That's not a conservative
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Rachel Wilsonposition. So, I'll answer your why should women not vote question as soon as you give me one position, just one on anything where you're actually conservative at all.
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Driena Sixto>> I've just mentioned a few. I am again uh pro life. I am pro marriage. I am pro small government. >> So, you would small government is like a
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Driena Sixto>> Yes. fiscal conservative. Uh I'm a constitutionalist, right? So yeah, all of those things constitute a lot of conservative values. Um so you're pro you're pro-life.
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Rachel Wilson>> Yes. >> So you would be against abortion and and pretty much all circumstances. >> Yeah. >> Okay, then I'll give you that one. >> That's the only one that I can come up with that that makes you anything
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Rachel Wilsonremotely conservative. >> Um so good good job on that. But why do I think women shouldn't vote? Well, I'll tell you why I think women shouldn't vote. So, you work for you worked you did a lot of hard work trying to get
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Rachel WilsonTrump reelected. >> You're very proTrump and you want to help Republicans, right? And part of the reason you don't like this gender war is because you're like, "Look, this is a terrible position for the right. You're alienating all the female voters,
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Rachel Wilsonright?" >> Yes, that's partially correct. Yeah. >> If women didn't vote anymore, we would never have another Democrat president. We would never have another Democrat Senate. and we would never have another Democrat Congress. >> You're right. You're right, Rachel.
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Rachel WilsonYou're >> one of the reasons that because of the values I hold, which are actually a lot more conservative, even though I don't like the term, I don't really care about Republicans versus Democrats. I think that the big tent republicanism is just
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Rachel Wilsonliberalism >> at a slower speed like what you believe in. I don't believe in that. I'm more of a I'm a patriarchist. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I would be a monarchist if I could. But if we care about the things
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Rachel Wilsonwe say we care about, like small government, letting women vote ensures you will never have that again. The reason the 19th amendment was passed >> was because the progressive era liberals
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Rachel Wilsonwanted to pass the income tax. >> They wanted to pass the Federal Reserve Act. They wanted a nanny state with welfare. And they wanted pro-immigration open borders. And they knew that if you
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Rachel Wilsononly let men vote, you're never going to get that agenda passed. the whole progressive agenda would have never been passed without women voting. >> Okay? >> And that's why I think that we should
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Rachel Wilsonhave some kind of restriction as we had at the founding where it's not just one person, one vote. Um there's a lot of ways you could do that. I'm not saying
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Rachel Wilsonyou have to just say no females voting, although I think that's a great idea um for a lot of reasons that we can get into, but you could do things like uh net positive taxpayers. you could do uh
00:27:06
Rachel Wilsonsomething anything where you have to have skin in the game. But if what you care about is keeping this conservative agenda that you say you want for us and the this social and fiscal conservatism, the fastest way to ensure that you never
00:27:19
Driena Sixtoget that passed is letting women vote. Yes, Rachel, that is factually correct because most women uh vote leftwing,
00:27:28
Driena Sixtoright? even though uh most white women do vote uh Republican after uh the 1980s for for president, but you you're making the argument that because people
00:27:39
Driena Sixtodisagree with my personal political beliefs that I should take away their right to vote. I'd like to and I disagree with that. I think that the way to get people to vote how I want them to
00:27:51
Driena Sixtois by arguing that my ideas are better than somebody else's, not taking away somebody else's right to vote. Because then you'd have to make the argument, Rachel, that we should take away black people's rights to vote or that would be
00:28:03
Driena Sixtoa good thing. Because because Let me finish. Because black people vote 80 to 90% Democrat in every presidential election, which is a racist obviously
00:28:14
Driena Sixtoposition to have. You don't tell people and your ultimate solution isn't uh to stop people from voting because you don't get what you want. It's making
00:28:25
Rachel Wilsonarguments to convince said people that your ideas are better. >> Well, I don't give a crap about democracy. I don't like the I'm glad you clarified that. >> Yeah, I don't I'm not a I'm not a
00:28:37
Rachel Wilsondemocracy enjoyer. I know that you ran >> I know you think that's uh Americanism like the American ethos so many places. >> America was not founded as a democracy
00:28:49
Rachel Wilsonand if you went to school for this I would expect that you would know more about this. It was not a universal suffrage democracy. It was a very extremely limited suffrage
00:28:59
Driena Sixtorepresentative republic. That's not what we have now. So I am, if you want to call me the traditionalist, yeah, it's a representative republic. >> It's a constitutional republic because
00:29:11
Driena Sixtothe constitution guarantees that individual rights aren't aren't trampled upon, right? and that we still have certain things that we do vote on, you
00:29:21
Driena Sixtoknow, policy differences, but there the constitution has gives everybody certain inaliable rights. So that is what the country was founded upon. >> This is what I have a problem with though is that
00:29:35
Rachel Wilson>> you have a problem with her. >> Yes, I do. I do have a problem with it. This is why and and I know you think that's some big dunk like, oh, she's she's I can't believe she said that out loud, but I'm going to explain why and
00:29:45
Rachel Wilsoneveryone's going to agree with me. The fundamental flaw in our government is this idea that oh we can just keep changing it. So what it was founded as is not what it has become. We have
00:29:57
Rachel Wilsonbecome this ultrar uh society and that was built in. It's a fatal flaw. I'm not a constitutionalist. I don't believe in democracy because
00:30:08
Rachel Wilsondemocracy means everybody gets a say. I don't want everybody to have a say. I don't want people who have more to gain from voting to take money out of my pocket to have the same say as people
00:30:19
Rachel Wilsonwho are net positive taxpayers. I agree with you. I don't want people who are contributing >> to the system. This is what this is what it is though. You have Somalian daycare scammers who are getting millions of dollars
00:30:32
Rachel Wilson>> uh for free because of scams, but the rest of us have to go to work and if we don't pay our taxes, the IRS is down our throats. They're about to put us in jail. You have welfare queens. You have people taking more from the system than
00:30:43
Rachel Wilsonthey're getting. This is a terrible idea. And the inherent flaw is this idea that just because you live here, you should have a say in how the government is run. >> Flaws, right? Let's work on those flaws instead of the blanket statement.
00:30:56
Rachel Wilson>> It's a fatal flaw. It's built in. >> Keep everybody that I don't like from voting. >> Okay, but you didn't let me finish. It's not a bug. It's a feature. You can't take it out. Your classical liberal
00:31:07
Rachel Wilsonfoundation of everybody has rights. You don't care about duties. You care about rights. You're going to say everyone should have rights. Okay, let's get into that then. Well, first of all, you're I want to go back to your assertion that
00:31:19
Rachel Wilsonwe'd have to say black people can't vote. That's atrocious and ridiculous. And I didn't say that and I wouldn't say that. However, >> if black women didn't vote, that would help. If white women didn't
00:31:30
Rachel WilsonIf all women didn't vote, we would not be battling trans. We wouldn't be battling Yeah, it's going to be quite the clip. Women voting is the larger issue because this is why they wanted to
00:31:43
Rachel Wilsongive women the vote because women are easily swayed. They're easily propagandized. They tend to vote on emotion. >> Don't interrupt me. I'm not done. Letter finish. Letter finish. It's not done. I'm not done. >> Go ahead. >> Women do. Women vote. They've done a lot
00:31:56
Rachel Wilsonof uh I have a whole book on this at home that I'm reading where they've done all this research on women and how and why they vote and they will vote things like the Nixon Kennedy election. Women
00:32:07
Rachel Wilsonvoted for Kennedy not because they knew anything about policy or because he had better ideas. You're still stuck in this paradigm that we're in a war of ideas. Women don't most women don't think that way. They're not going and researching
00:32:19
Rachel Wilsonthe issues. They go, "He's tan and handsome. I like him. He's bald and he's shiny on TV and I don't like him. I don't like his tone." And so they don't vote for him.
00:32:30
Rachel Wilson>> I think you're let me know when this is like not my opinion. This is what they say in exit polling. This is what all of these political packs who are desperately trying to get women's votes
00:32:40
Rachel Wilsonfind when they do the research. Women vote for security. They vote for uh a nanny state and they vote for progressive policies because those sound nicer. That's why in every political
00:32:53
Rachel Wilsoncycle you see all these commercials coming from the Democrats going Republicans want to take away school lunch and they want to kill your grandma and they don't want her to have her Medicare anymore because women see that and they're like I have to protect the
00:33:04
Rachel Wilsoninnocent babies. They're so helpless. Women shouldn't be in politics because it weaponizes our maternal instinct against our own interests. So that's why you see women you see women trying to
00:33:17
Rachel Wilsonfight ICE agents in the streets even if the illegal guy has you know uh CP and uh you know >> liberal women are doing that. >> Yeah. Well, I've I've argued with
00:33:28
Rachel Wilsonconservative women about this. They they see ICE dragging people out. They see families getting separated or they see kids in behind a fence or whatever and they're like, "We can't do
00:33:41
Rachel Wilsonit this way, guys. We can't." And so even people like Trump will back off on what they want to do because the women freak out and they're like, "We can't do this. It's too mean." >> Okay. Are we done here? Um on your rant >> like you didn't rant and pratt and
00:33:55
Rachel Wilsonmeander with your stuff. >> Uh it sounds like you have a lot of u disdain for women in general. >> Absolutely not. I think women are wonderful in their maternal role. They shouldn't be in college.
00:34:05
Driena Sixto>> I'm sure that you uh would love to have um kind of a say on what women can and can't do and what their roles in society should be. Uh I disagree with that. I do
00:34:17
Driena Sixtothink women should be encouraged to become mothers and we need strong women to lead families and and you know have
00:34:25
Driena Sixtoand raise great kids. Uh, however, I am not using a woman's natural biological differences as um basically fodder
00:34:36
Driena Sixtoagainst their right to vote. Basically, >> even if it costs you your liberty and it costs you all the things that you value, >> they voted for a majority of them for for a Republican in the last election.
00:34:48
Driena SixtoSo, it does show that with the right arguments, you can convince people to vote Republican. That is a factual statement of recent elections that
00:34:58
Driena Sixtohappened. So Rachel, if you are just bad at showing people why it's better to not vote and for, you know, women to live
00:35:07
Driena Sixtounder uh the rule of men and only have them make uh political and financial decisions for them, then just say that.
00:35:17
Driena SixtoRight. In my opinion, in my opinion, I have spent over, well, I've spent over the last decade on college campuses
00:35:26
Driena Sixtotalking to students from the left to men and women basically on why conservative values are better to sway them to my side. I don't show up.
00:35:38
Driena SixtoI don't I don't show up on a campus and tell uh 18-year-old girls, hey, you know, you're just too dumb and you're, you know, your hormones fluctuate and uh
00:35:49
Driena Sixtoyou totally should leave all political decisions to men. I think you, you know, can't handle yourself and and that's why you should totally believe what I say
00:35:58
Driena Sixtoand, you know, stop voting in the future. Um, let's talk about let's talk about facts. I get to reply to that first. You went on for quite some time. So, let me uh finish. >> I'm going to reply to what you just said
00:36:11
Driena Sixtobecause you just said you must really hate women. You must have all this. >> I think anybody watching will say that you don't like women or you have you hold women of lesser value than men. And
00:36:24
Rachel WilsonI disagree with that. >> Okay. Well, I'll prove to you that that's not true. >> Okay. >> Before the passage of the 19th amendment, the groups that we had two groups. We had the pro-suffrage side. And >> why do you why do you wait let her
00:36:38
Rachel Wilsonfinish? >> We had two different groups. Pro-suffrage and anti-suffrage. The vast majority of women were absolutely against the 19th amendment and women's voting rights. Did all of those women
00:36:50
Rachel Wilsonalso hate other women? Susan B. Anthony herself said if we'd left it up to women to pass women's voting rights, it never would have happened. That all their support came from progressive socialist
00:37:00
Rachel Wilsonmen. So, I'm asking you, my great-g grandandmother, who did not think politics was the role of women, was she hateful toward women, or did she instinctively know that this was going
00:37:11
Rachel Wilsonto create the gender divide that you don't like? The gender divide you're trying to fight was caused by trying to politicize women and put them in men's roles and have them be involved in politics and government. Did those women
00:37:25
Driena Sixtohate women? >> I don't care if a majority of women were against women's rights. Let me finish. Let me finish because let her finish. Let her finish. >> Um, I don't care if 99.9% of women were
00:37:36
Driena Sixtoagainst women having equal values to men. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is correct that women have equal values to men because
00:37:48
Driena Sixto>> you prefer it. >> No, because this country was founded on protecting the minority, right? >> No, it wasn't. >> Let me finish. Let me finish, Rachel. Um
00:37:59
Driena Sixtothis country was founded to protect the individual. Right? This we're not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic because we all have inherent
00:38:09
Driena Sixtovalues. So it does not matter that 99.9% of the population wants something if it tramples on the individual's rights. Rachel, this is basic stuff. >> Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Now
00:38:22
Driena Sixtowe're getting somewhere. And so again, it doesn't matter if somebody that supported uh women's suffrage, so women
00:38:30
Driena Sixtovoting, was a literal witch, a Satanist, a Marxist, a whatever. I don't care. It doesn't take anything away from the fact
00:38:40
Driena Sixtothat it is still right that men and women have equal value when it comes to representation. Right? It does not matter that men are physically stronger than women. And that's why, you know,
00:38:53
Driena Sixtothey should then be the ones to vote because ballots are not the same thing as barbells, Rachel. Um, and again, this is why I am glad to be here. >> Sorry, keep going. >> I'm glad. >> Tiffany, what are you doing?
00:39:06
Driena Sixto>> I'm glad. Uh, >> sorry, keep going. I'm glad to be here because I equally think that there's really toxic toxic voices in the uh
00:39:16
Driena Sixtoconservative red pill movement um that are putting so many people off from what our side really is about. And some people think that in the red pill
00:39:28
Driena Sixtomovement, you know, all these women just want to take away uh women's rights. And like uh Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture. There's a lot of people in this
00:39:40
Driena Sixtouh I guess manosisphere which I'd include you in that you know >> I debate me and Andrew both debate against manosisphere guys. >> Yes. Uh but you have a lot of similar
00:39:51
Driena Sixtoopinions which is that women don't have equal value to men and that they should not vote. And I think that's toxic and it's uh it's part of the culture and it is flowing downstream and it is
00:40:03
Driena Sixtoaffecting politics. And as a result, Rachel, young women in this country are the most left-wing they've ever been in history before. I wonder what that is. And I wonder if telling those young
00:40:14
Driena Sixtogirls that they, you know, are not smart enough to vote, that they are not emotionally mature enough to vote uh is going to bring them to our side. I think that that is a personal thing as well.
00:40:25
Driena SixtoLike as an individual, you seem to have a higher emotionality uh rate than myself. And the same goes for men. That can that can vary. >> You just talk and talk and talk. You're
00:40:37
Rachel Wilsonjust g We're going to be this is we're going to be here for 5 hours back and forth exchange. I don't want to hear about your em all you just gave me was emotions. You just gave me a whole I feel like this and I think that
00:40:49
Driena Sixto>> No, I didn't feel and I think I gave you specific examples. But now I'll turn it back over to you again, Rachel. Why shouldn't women vote? >> Might I quickly ask a moderation
00:41:00
Brian Atlasquestion here? Mhm. >> Uh you you had posited that women turning to becoming more leftleaning >> is because of
00:41:11
Brian Atlassentiments that Rachel holds. >> Rachel, do you believe that >> that this trend in women becoming more leftwing is because of the some of this rhetoric or
00:41:23
Rachel Wilson>> Well, I'll answer that in a second, but first I want to point out that she's a contradiction machine. I had to wait and wait and wait. Yes. First you said, first you were like, "Ooh, I got her. She doesn't believe in democracy." Ooh, that's a good clip. I'm going to tell
00:41:35
Rachel Wilsoneverybody she doesn't believe in democracy. And then you said, "We're not a democracy. We're a representative republic." Constitution. Do you believe in democracy or no? I believe in democracy because a
00:41:47
Driena Sixtoconstitutional republic is a mix of a constitution that holds specific inaliable rights for people and then a democracy where people vote on things that are not up for debate. Do you
00:42:00
Rachel Wilsonunderstand those two concepts? >> Of course I do. You're the one that doesn't understand those two concepts because you don't understand the difference between the founding form of government and the one we have now. You want universal suffrage. That's a
00:42:11
Rachel Wilsonprogressive position. You just contradicted yourself on multiple counts. You said, "If I don't agree with women voting, that means I hate women." And I said, "The vast majority of women
00:42:22
Rachel Wilsonnever wanted votes. They didn't want votes for women." They even banned women from voting on whether they wanted to vote. It's my turn now. I know you're waiting to speak, but let me finish.
00:42:33
Rachel Wilson>> Women didn't want to vote. They weren't hateful. I don't hate women. I'm not uh emotional. I'm overly emotional here or something. I'm saying that women are of
00:42:45
Rachel Wilsonequal value. That doesn't mean that they have the same roles as men. This idea, what you're doing is muddying the waters and saying unless we're the same across the board, that's inequality. Again, a
00:42:56
Rachel Wilsonleftist position. Time after time after time, you say you're for liberty, you say you're for rights, you say you're conservative, but every idea you articulate is a left-wing progressive
00:43:07
Rachel Wilsonidea. And you you keep contradicting yourself. Your worldview is irring. No, I haven't condict contradicted myself at all. >> Okay. >> Me not wanting women to be involved in politics does not in any way mean that I
00:43:19
Rachel Wilsonhate them. In fact, it's out of love for them that I don't want them involved in this sort of stuff for the same reason right now with this debate that we're having in front of a ton of people. >> No. Pro-suffrage and anti-suffrage women
00:43:32
Driena Sixtodebated. Women have always Women can talk to each other and women have always debated each other. >> Why not do that at home? Why? In front of an audience of people. Isn't that getting directly involved in politics and wanting to influence politics?
00:43:43
Driena SixtoBecause we're arguing here for different political prescriptions, right? For what we think is best for society. And uh somebody that might be watching might think, you know, Rachel's a hypocrite because she's, you know, over here
00:43:55
Driena Sixtodebating instead of being at home with the kids like a good conservative woman should do. I'm against that, by the way. I don't think that should be the case. But what would you say to those people? I've addressed this criticism so many
00:44:07
Rachel Wilsontimes and if you had prepared at all for this debate, if you had watched any of my stuff, you know what my answer to this is already. >> Go for it. >> It was never the case that women couldn't speak in public. It was never
00:44:18
Rachel Wilsonthe case that women couldn't have opinions, couldn't write books, couldn't have, you know, discourse in public. That's it's what >> you're sure? Okay, >> I'm sure about that. Yes. That is a commonly held myth
00:44:30
Rachel Wilson>> that women that people people think that women were not allowed. If women were not allowed, how come we had suffragists and feminists publicly speaking, writing
00:44:40
Rachel Wilsonbooks, doing speaking tours, doing debates from the 1700s on and even before that, my book has a whole chapter where I give multiple examples of women being able to have a voice just because they couldn't vote or hold political
00:44:53
Rachel Wilsonoffice just because there were limitations. That's not oppression. Again, that's a leftist position for you to say women have to be able to do everything men can do. There should be no gendered roles. We should all have
00:45:04
Rachel Wilsonall options open. That's a progressive position. That's >> So you're saying women should be able to do anything men can do. >> I never said that. >> Yeah. You if men can vote, women should
00:45:15
Rachel Wilsonbe able to vote and financial rights. Yes. But not do everything men can do. >> Why Why should it be the case that women should be able to vote? Why? Because we
00:45:27
Driena Sixtohave equal inherent values as human beings. >> Says who? >> Says me. Says God, >> right? You know that we are all >> Where does God >> equal as well? But let's
00:45:39
Rachel Wilson>> equal value. No, no, no. We're not going to go back. Equal rights. Explain equal rights to me. Why do all people have the exact same rights? >> Are representative of values? Uh I'll go
00:45:49
Driena Sixtoback to the argument of you know how certain people shouldn't have uh equal vo equal voice because of you know their tax contributions in the US and what
00:46:01
Driena Sixtopeople should vote. So you don't so you don't believe all people should vote. >> Let me finish. Uh to get to the point the more recent point we were making uh
00:46:10
Driena Sixtoyou said that women could freely express themselves and you know do all of that. Are you denying that women were I guess
00:46:22
Driena Sixtosilenced in any way, shape or form in recent history, let's say the 19 in the 19th century, the 20th century, that women, you know, if they tried to be vocal about their beliefs that they were
00:46:35
Rachel Wilsonnot repressed in any kind of way. Yes or no? >> Uh, if you're talking about like stigma, like people didn't like it or it was looked down upon, so what? I'm saying it was not illegal. I'm not talking illegal.
00:46:46
Driena Sixto>> Let Rachel finish. Um okay so okay so uh to that to that point then uh it is clear and documented reality for example
00:46:57
Driena Sixtothat if women even in the 20th century right in the up until the 1960s we were still doing labbotoies on people here in the US and labbotoies on women so >> on just women
00:47:10
Driena Sixto>> no not just women >> this is another myth I'm glad she brought up let me finish talking not just women but a majority of women absolutely Absolutely. Yes. This was
00:47:18
Driena Sixtohappening in the US still in the 1960s. So loud opinionated uh women could be easily diagnosed with something like
00:47:27
Driena Sixtohysteria or anxiety or anything be carted off to an institution and then be recommended different medications like
00:47:37
Driena Sixtouh opium tinctures, right? Happy pills for moms that were acting too crazy and that were overwhelmed. forms of heroin,
00:47:45
Driena Sixtouh, alcohol, nerve tonics, right? Uh, a very popular one before, uh, Valium, which happened in the 1960s, uh, was barbituates, right, from the
00:47:57
Driena Sixto1900s to the 1950s. So, for in recent history, you could say that women's voices have been stifled and repressed,
00:48:07
Driena Sixtoand I'm obviously against that. Uh so you can't say that no women just had a right to say whatever they want, do whatever they want in recent history and
00:48:18
Driena Sixtothere wasn't and there was just equality for them. This is documented facts and documented history. >> Okay. First of all, go ahead. >> I don't think anybody should be able to just do whatever they want. That's you
00:48:30
Driena Sixtothe libertarian That's you, the libertarian leftist who thinks people should just be able to do whatever they want. >> Just clarify two seconds. I do believe that uh people should do do what you want as long as you don't hurt others
00:48:43
Driena Sixtoand you don't and you don't take their stuff. So yeah. >> So do what thou wilt. >> Do what you want. >> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole take their stuff. >> However, myself, I personally want to
00:48:55
Rachel Wilsonlive my life uh as a more in a more traditional conservative role. What everybody else does is not my >> that is the epitome of the left
00:49:04
Rachel Wilsonlibertarian. That is a left libert. No, not in my opinion. That is the definition of left libertarian politics that you just articulate. Do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt
00:49:16
Rachel Wilsonanybody else, bro. And don't take >> and taxation is theft, man. And like I wouldn't choose it, but you should be able to do what you want. You know what I'm saying? Without daddy government like breathing down your neck and stuff,
00:49:27
Rachel Wilsonbro. She's like that's our founding fathers. You are not a Republican. That's what our founding fathers believe. >> You're not a Republican. You're not a conservative. And you're most definitely a feminist. Now it's my turn to finish.
00:49:39
Rachel WilsonAll your nonsense about uh women getting lobotoies. Men were given labbotoies all the time, too. I did a whole project on this, but mostly women. >> No. On MK also disproportionately.
00:49:50
Rachel Wilson>> Be quiet. It's my turn. My turn. You're getting a little emotional. Getting a little emotional. Not able to control your yapping. But uh but people can Google stuff for themselves. >> Yes, they can. And if they get my book, they're going to read all about that,
00:50:04
Rachel Wilsontoo. Clearly, you didn't read the book. You could have saved yourself so much time with all these bad arguments if you had taken the time to have them debunked before this. But no, men were also locked up in uh mental institutions,
00:50:16
Rachel Wilsonforced to give in labbotoies. That was not a gender specific thing whatsoever. There there's always Now, let me clarify, let me help you here. I'm going to educate you a little bit. Women have
00:50:27
Rachel Wilsonalways everywhere in every culture. And this is verified right now by two huge studies that looked at all different cultures around the world in 2009. And then they did a follow-up several years
00:50:39
Rachel Wilsonlater. It's called the paradox of women's happiness. Women everywhere are more prone to mental illness, anxiety, depression, and all types of mental
00:50:49
Rachel Wilsonproblems. That is not men oppressing us. That happens to be a fact of how women are. And there yes most of it's biology and hormones but a lot of it is just the
00:51:00
Rachel Wilsonfact that female constitutions are much more susceptible to negative effect. This is a well suicides >> wellestablished this is a wellestablished uh fact in clinical psychology as well.
00:51:11
Rachel WilsonThey wouldn't even deny it. Yes, more men commit suicides but women attempt it more. Men are just better at actually following through. You know it's a that whole men being better at stuff thing again I guess. But that so that's a lie
00:51:23
Rachel Wilsonwhat you just told. And let's go back to this idea that like do you think that all men everywhere could vote before the 19th? Do you think that it was all the men could vote and they were like don't let the girls vote you guys. We have to keep our
00:51:35
Driena Sixto>> property there were property rights. Uh there were property distinctions. So some men that didn't own property could not vote. There were there were a lot of requirements. There were literacy tests as well. >> Um so yes that
00:51:47
Driena Sixto>> there were pole taxes. There were religious restrictions. There were all kinds of restrictions on men's voting. All of them that were deemed what? Incon unconstitutional, Rachel. Right. And that's why And after what? After the
00:51:59
Rachel Wilsonprogressive era. When progressives took control of the government, they passed the 19th amendment. That was a progressive agenda. Ma'am, >> they >> you're not a conservative. I hate to break this to you. You are a liberal
00:52:13
Driena Sixtoprogressive. >> The US Constitution being clarified is not a progressive thing, right? making sure throughout the years that it is clarified that all people have the same
00:52:25
Driena Sixtoequal rights, inherent value, and voting rights is not a progressive issue. That's what you're choosing to call it. >> It radically that's not true. It radically transforms the identity of what I'm choosing to
00:52:38
Driena Sixtocall it >> steps in the right direction towards individual liberties which conservatives believe in. Conservatives believe in the rights of the individual. If you are against that, then you are not conservative.
00:52:50
Driena Sixto>> I don't use the label conservative. You're the one who uses the label conservative, not me. And I'm telling you, you're not conservative. >> And I also have libertarian values, too. You know, you can't really put people in
00:53:01
Driena Sixtotwo boxes like that nowadays because not everybody's opinions on every single little topic, there's like 200 different things we could discuss, is going to fall cleanly into conservative or
00:53:13
Driena Sixtoliberal. What you want to conserve is Obama era policies. You want to What are you conserving? Any I'm asking you one thing you're conserving. Name one. What are you conserving?
00:53:23
Rachel Wilson>> No, you just said Obama era polic >> Obama. Oh my god. Uh that again >> you want to conserve Obama era politics. You can't give me any conservative
00:53:34
Rachel Wilsonposition you hold that you want to What are you conserving? This is why I don't call myself Republican. Why I don't call myself? That That's what I'm concerned about. >> Freedom to freedom to marry your
00:53:45
Driena Sixtoboyfriend and uh smoke weed and not pay taxes. Okay. >> Individual liberties for another generation. Your freedom of speech, Rachel. I am very much trying to uh
00:53:57
Driena Sixtoconserve that because if it wasn't for conservatives then all of your opinions, you know, if we're not under this administration that we currently are right now, if we were under a government
00:54:07
Driena Sixtolike the UK's, you'd probably be put in jail as soon as this podcast was over for saying something like, "I'd be happy that black women wouldn't vote." And a bunch of other >> I didn't say that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have to back that up
00:54:20
Driena Sixtobecause I did not exactly remember the words, but you said it would be beneficial for black women to not for black women to uh not vote because they
00:54:30
Driena Sixtowould because they would vote on merely for the purposes for the purposes of her you said. >> What are you asserting? >> Do do you want to like play it back her her clip?
00:54:42
Rachel Wilson>> It's difficult for us to >> I can I can tell you exactly what happened. She said, "Oh, if you're going to deny votes based on sex, then you're also going to have to not let black people vote." And I said, "That's
00:54:53
Rachel Wilsonabsurd." You said you would have to. And I I said I absolutely would not say that you would ever have to say black people can't vote. I'm not for that. I'm against that. I do not believe that race
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Rachel Wilsonshould be the defining factor in who gets to vote whatsoever. >> But gender is >> gender should be part of it. And I'll tell you why. Women do not have to sign up for the draft. Women do not have to defend this country with their bodies.
00:55:19
Rachel WilsonIn fact, the anti-suffragists articulated this and said, "We don't want to be involved with politics." Just let me finish. Just let me finish. >> Disagree. >> The women who didn't want to be
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Rachel Wilsonpolitical equals with men said, "Why would you task us with something we can't do? We can't defend the borders. We can't defend the nation. We can't
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Rachel Wilsonrule the nation. Men have the monopoly on force. That's for men to do. We want men to protect us and our children. Our role is to raise the children. That's too important. We can't be involved in
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Driena Sixtopolitics for that reason >> for women to raise children. Right. It's an important role, right? A role important and equal enough for them to vote on the future of this country and
00:56:03
Rachel Wilsonthe rules that they live by. Right. Or do you think it's not important enough of a role for them to vote? >> It the problem with that is it comes down to force. So you can have an
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Rachel Wilsonopinion and women did. So you don't need voting rights in order to have your voice be heard. A good example of this is uh prohibition. >> Women, the women's temperance union got
00:56:25
Rachel Wilsonprohibition passed. Bad idea, by the way, but somebody listened to the women, so we got prohibition passed because this was a pet project of the Women's Christian Temperance Union. They did not need to vote to get their voices heard.
00:56:39
Rachel WilsonThey did not need to vote to have their agenda passed. So you don't need voting rights to be heard. >> So why does it matter then that they do have it? >> Because what happens, this is what the anti-suffragists also predicted. They
00:56:51
Rachel Wilsonwere very smart women. These women were not hateful and they were not stupid and they've been done dirty by history. Which is why I'm here trying to help revive this.
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Rachel Wilson>> Anti-suffrage women said, "If we become a political block, we lose the moral high ground. What will happen is politicians will pander to us. They will make us just another voting block. They will promise a whole bunch of things
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Rachel Wilsonthat sound really good and do what they want anyway. And they do that. Yes, they do. Which is why I'm against it. It's why I don't like the system. >> For men and for women I don't like democracy. It's why I don't like the