04:38:42Andrew Wilsonthat's facts yeah I I understand where you're coming from it's like the money to ick ratio I don't know exactly what it is it like $110,000 per disgust
04:38:54Brian Atlaspoint like I don't know exactly what it is uh maybe there is no delineation point but it does seem that x amount of money cancels x amount of ick low paladin says if I give money to
04:39:06Brian Atlasbrixon is he taking advantage of me for my resources or am I taking advantage of him for his
04:39:17SPEAKER_00resources what H what do that even
04:39:25Brian Atlasmean I don't know he does have another chat here shocking that the W woman who only cares about The Superficial stuck in a situationship and dating a man who won't commit to her now cares only about
04:39:35Brian Atlaswhat's inside a person must only apply to women I think this is directed to you do you to say something back to lol paladins l i me I just don't understand
04:39:46Panel (mixed)I I don't only care about things that are superficial I feel like I've been sitting here the whole time talking about how you should look into people's trauma and see why they are the way they are but I mean wait guys should look
04:39:59Panel (mixed)into a woman's trauma well I mean like not like look into it obviously but like you should want can you just keep it like bottled away that sounded really bad wait what you said or what I said no
04:40:12Panel (mixed)but I said not in like a way of like oh yeah therapist let's assess your trauma but like if she brings up something that's like hard for her to deal with I totally just lost my train of
04:40:25Brian Atlasthought on I know what you're about to say you were about to say she just shouldn't bring it up no that's actually not what I was going to say I'm pretty sure that's what you're going to say because there have been plenty of times
04:40:35Panel (mixed)that's my dream in a relationship just don't tell me anything oh I'd cry you'd cry I would cry to no there are plenty of times where I've don't you not want to be
04:40:45Brian Atlasmarried uh pretty much yeah although who knows maybe if I who knows what the what uh my future holds oh you've changed you flipped no I'm still pretty strong on
04:40:56Brian Atlasthis but you never know maybe Andrew Andrew prozes me or something and a and then I'll become an Orthodox Christian and then there you go or you know maybe
04:41:07Brian AtlasI meet a nice wait no don't become a don't become a CH or an orthodox chrisan oh boy okay let's not go there okay Andrew's going to debate with you for 2 hours Andrew an Orthodox Christian
04:41:18Brian AtlasAndrew is a based gigachad Orthodox Christian okay I don't know what the rest of those first few words were that's totally fine but um speaking of which LOL paladins is back look into
04:41:31Brian Atlasyour trauma woman you literally said you broke up with a dude because he tried to pry too much into your past and get you to open up got it yeah that's fire
04:41:42Brian Atlaswait uh old man marine my mom 70 and Dad 85 does that give you the ick been married uh for almost 50 years still have the ick she married at 20 when he
04:41:53Brian Atlaswas 20 35 and they met when she was 18 does it give you the ick show up hands if it gives you the EG nobody well how much money does he
04:42:02Panel (mixed)make there you go real question that's a very good that's true that I don't care I just feel like I'm not I don't comment on other people's relationships like I'm not going to we'll give you a pass for
04:42:14Brian Atlasthe show you got pass okay thank you thank you ran one qu okay how about this would you rather see a woman going from boy to boy to
04:42:26Brian Atlasboy who's her age her age maybe one year old or Max just never getting commitment she's jaded these guys don't commit they're players they're they're
04:42:37Brian Atlasthey're boys right or would you rather her see her in a loving safe healthy monogamous relationship long-term
04:42:46Brian Atlasrelationship she's 20 He's 33 which do you prefer to see the healthy relationship yeah the healthy relationship healthy
04:42:56Brian Atlasrelationship the healthy relationship healthy healthy healthy healthy healthy okay we do have to move on from the age Gap discussion but it was a wonderful
04:43:07Brian Atlasone TT uh yeah we'll do twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow drops Prime sub if you have one boys it's been 33 minutes since we last had a prime can you please uh I think it's bugged can you guys by the
04:43:20Brian Atlasway thank you for getting us to 880,000 followers what was going on with the follows followers earlier that was crazy I want to see if it happens again though um okay guys drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one yo Mo Andrew
04:43:31Brian Atlasthank you for the prime artist thank you for the prime 33 minutes ago boys drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one I have no idea what was going on before I'm Prett sure like somebody just
04:43:41Brian Atlaslike bought us like fake followers or some I don't know um is I think that's something you can do but yeah you can get boted I don't know why somebody would do it for you I don't know
04:43:53Brian Atlaswhatever um yo G Square thank you for the prime appreciate it twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow drops a problem okay so need to get back to my pre notes I trying I think we're pretty close to
04:44:02Brian Atlasgetting through most of them uh we had Aaliyah thank you Duran thank you for the gift of five uh you said you think it's hypocritical for a man or a woman that has a high body count to want
04:44:15Brian Atlassomeone who is a virgin or low body count especially if they demand sex early in the relationship and if they are judging people who do have high body counts yeah MH so me basically oh
04:44:27Brian Atlasalthough I've never revealed my body count it's I'm a virgin okay uh just kidding but uh born again yeah so you think for example let's say a guy has a
04:44:39Brian Atlasbody count of 10 is it uh hypocritical for him to want uh a woman who's a
04:44:45Panel (mixed)virgin or low body count um I mean not if he's willing to wait
04:44:54Panel (mixed)what if she's not willing to wait she just wants to lose it I mean then then I mean I mean why is she why
04:45:04Brian Atlasdid she hold it off for so long and then I don't know I he's the right guy sorry he's the right guy we have three virgins here at the two virgins never mind I don't even know I think you guys
04:45:17Brian Atlashave you guys been lying the whole time gone somebody going to sit back in the where's my staff they're just back there one's playing Clash
04:45:26Brian AtlasRoyale um so uh wrong though for the guy I mean with a high body count to want a woman with a
04:45:36Panel (mixed)low body count or virgin I just think well I I said it's wrong if he's
04:45:46Andrew Wilsonjudging like a like if he if he's judging a woman wait because wait hang on I'm sorry I just sry cut in I just I just caught something that Brian just said did you claim that there's women on
04:45:57Brian Atlasthis panel who claim that they're virgins yeah so her and her uh the girl in the black and the girl in the white right why are you laughing such a ha
04:46:12Brian Atlasall right all right we get back to the conversation all just to get that out well I I thought it it I kind of believe them but it's a little dubious I'm not sure I believe them
04:46:23Panel (mixed)that's so funny I definitely believe the other Sophia which one the other sopia black I believe it I don't know I don't know they came off the streets you have to believe everything we
04:46:34Panel (mixed)see just you got pulled off anyways anyways can I say something to your thing to her sure I think men so women want men with experience and men want
04:46:46Brian Atlaswomen with Purity it's a fact that's a good takes true it's that's facts you can't argue with facts can't argue with facts I mean so I guess I'm just trying
04:46:57Panel (mixed)to hear out your argument here before I can respond okay um well it's only I just feel like it's
04:47:08Brian Atlashypocritical okay say it to me again I'm sorry say it one more time well no this is what I I know just say what I said so a man who has a high body count to want someone who is a virgin or low body
04:47:23Panel (mixed)count well I must have worded that wrong what I'm saying is I think it's hypocritical of a man to judge a woman with a high body
04:47:35Panel (mixed)count uh if he has one if he has a high body count as well and then he expects her to have uh sex with him like when they first meet but he's judging her
04:47:47Brian Atlaswell so okay here's what you wrote you said I think it's hypocritical for a man or woman that has a high body count to want someone who is a virgin or low body count especially this is the qualifier especially if they demand sex early in
04:47:59Brian Atlasthe relationship and if they are judging people who do have high body counts but I mean even if we remove the qualifier you still think it's hypocritical even if the man is not demanding sex early in
04:48:10Brian Atlasthe relation relationship or they're it's just with the qualifier okay so fine we'll include the qualifier um especially if they demand sex early in the relationship well even a low body
04:48:21Brian Atlascount woman could have sex early in a relationship right she could yeah okay um now when you say judging people so for example like he would he's judging
04:48:32Panel (mixed)her in so far as he would not date her because of her body count um I think it kind of what what I was getting with that is going back to that
04:48:44Brian Atlasrelationship I had where he judged me for my body count and he was a virgin oh but I don't I don't know well it's a little different but I know it's uh so I I'll just open up to the panel
04:48:55Brian Atlasdo you think that if a guy has a really high body let's say he has a body count of a 100 and he wants a girl with like sub five sub 10 body count or even a virgin do you think that that's
04:49:08Panel (mixed)hypocritical and if you want just show of hand hands is it hypocritical a hypocritical if he's judging her for
04:49:18Panel (mixed)it judging judg Jud this what I'm trying to say if he's judging women with higher body counts but he has a high body count himself I think that is hypocritical that's what I'm saying I think it's
04:49:31Brian Atlashypocritical regardless but him judging her makes it wrong yeah well okay so what would the Judgment be so the judgment is I have a high body count she has a high body count I know that women with high body count uh with high body
04:49:43Brian Atlascounts are not the type of women I'd want to date because they're promiscuous it's the sticky note well is that the Judgment or is the or is the Judgment like she's a she's a skank blah blah is
04:49:56Brian Atlasthat what you're talking pretty much yeah that's okay so but is it still hypocritical absent that sort of judgment is if the judgment is just I believe in my heart of hearts that women
04:50:07Brian Atlaswho have a promiscuous past or who are currently promiscuous do make for good partners is that a judgment no if I mean if I think it's a
04:50:17Panel (mixed)judgment but a Jud your body count as high it's not me I don't think it's wrong it's just your personal preference okay well I don't want to linger too long on this but I'll just say that can
04:50:29Panel (mixed)I um can I can I ask you again just to to repeat real quick where's the actual hypocrisy because you're judging someone
04:50:40Panel (mixed)with with the same number of body count that you have yeah why would that be hypocritical because you're making them
04:50:50Brian Atlasfeel like they're less than you because sh the need to tell them your judgment if you don't so let me give you let me give you an example of this I smoke cigarettes M if my daughter comes to me
04:51:03Andrew Wilsonand says she wants to smoke cigarettes and I tell her she shouldn't am I a hypocrite [Music]
04:51:14Andrew Wilsonno no so can I have so even if so if I engage in an activity and then have a preference against that same activity from somebody else how exactly would that even make me a hypocrite so let's
04:51:26Andrew Wilsonsay for instance I uh I banged 800 chicks and you banged 800 dudes let's just say in this hypothetical that was the case but I prefer to date women who
04:51:36Panel (mixed)haven't banged 800 dudes um how would that actually make you a hypocrite the the Judgment like the outright judgment is what makes the
04:51:49Andrew Wilsonperson the hypocrite you have a preference what if if you think that it's worse for women than men let's say if you think it's worse reputationally for women you think
04:52:00Andrew Wilsonit does more damage to them than it does men right if you don't think that men and women are interchangeable widgets then why is it that it would be hypocritical to say well this does less damage to me than it does for you so my
04:52:11Panel (mixed)preference is against that I'm not actually sure that that's hypocrisy maybe it's not then I don't know that's
04:52:22Panel (mixed)just the whole it just keep going back to the the Judgment part that outright judgment you can have a preference okay if you were a serial killer and you judged other serial killers for as bad
04:52:36Andrew Wilsonand said that what you're doing over there is bad right even though I'm doing this same exact thing that you're doing aren't you just making an argument from hypocrisy you just uh you're just saying
04:52:48Andrew Wilsonbut what about you though he could still be right that what you're doing is bad couldn't he yeah yeah so I don't really know even even if it was let's say hypocritical in this case why would that even be a
04:53:02Panel (mixed)problem it's like I keep saying it's the Judgment did Hypocrites give you the ick no it's no judgment part yeah but what's
04:53:12Panel (mixed)wrong with the Judgment part it's the belittling part of it like yeah what's wrong there's a difference between having a preference and figuring
04:53:23Panel (mixed)out okay someone has a higher body count than me okay I don't want to be with them okay that's fine but if you're outright going like oh you're a then yeah like that's hypocrite
04:53:34Andrew Wilsonthat's wrong especially if you have a high body count yourself okay so I'm not sure how you can say that being a hypocrite is even wrong what's a standard for saying that a hypocrite is wrong other than you just
04:53:47Andrew Wilsondon't like it I guess I just don't like it right you just don't like it so Hypocrites give you the ick Hypocrites let me ask you this too is basically everything that you think
04:53:59Andrew Wilsonis bad or immoral or that you don't like just that gives you the ick is just stuff you find icky no no
04:54:08Brian Atlasno I'll uh I'll say one thing on this I guess question so in order for you to want to be with
04:54:22Brian Atlassomeone in order for you to want to be with someone need you possess all the traits that they two possess I mean you don't have to right but
04:54:33Panel (mixed)so sorry I you don't have to not to interrupt you but um didn't we kind of already get into this back at the whole like tradition standpoint when we were
04:54:43Brian Atlastalking about TR well a little bit but it is somewhat different here but so in order for you to desire a trait in a
04:54:51Brian Atlaspartner need you also have the trait no no right but body count is different tra does body count matter it is well hold
04:55:00Brian Atlason so for example um I think one men and women want different things men and women prioritize different things things
04:55:10Brian Atlasthey prioritize different traits um would you then object or find it hypocritical for a woman who's broke to find a billionaire
04:55:22Panel (mixed)attractive um man I guess you could say that since she doesn't since she's not but is it is
04:55:32Brian Atlasit wrong for a woman who's dead broke to find rich men attractive or want to date a man who's Rich
04:55:43Brian Atlasum is it hypocritical I mean it could be since she doesn't possess the same financial
04:55:53Brian Atlassituation okay um a woman may find a famous professional athlete actor musician attractive but they may not be a pro-athlete actor musician themselves
04:56:03Brian Atlasis she hypocritical uh for finding men with status athletes actors musicians uh is it hypocritical for her to desire to be with such a
04:56:19Brian Atlasman I don't know okay what about funny a lot of women funny is at the top of the list for a lot of women it's not clear to me
04:56:28Brian Atlasif they're funny themselves um so not I'm not saying what I'm saying is this woman in particular I'm saying the woman in particular I'm not saying women
04:56:39Brian Atlasaren't funny oh that's what Andrew says um I make myself laugh uh but so is it hypocritical for a woman who's not funny herself to find men who are funny
04:56:54Panel (mixed)attractive no but it's that's like a trait body count is like something physical it's physical okay so is it hypocritical then for short women to
04:57:06Brian Atlasfind tall men attractive I think it's just your preference your type what you like about that's right the men got a preference for women with a low body count yeah even if
04:57:16Unknownthey're manhos themselves don't shoot the messenger yeah because they W they're more likely to not take a woman see if she opens up
04:57:24Andrew Wilsonthe same day critical though yeah now let me um Let me let me ask this this kind of last segue here um so from your
04:57:36Andrew Wilsonperspective if the hypocritical part is that if man slept with 500 women you slept with 500 men and he's judging you for that you think that that is hypocritical as to judgmental part
04:57:48Andrew Wilsoncorrect yes okay but what if he says it's fine for you to judge me by the same standard I'm judging you is that's no longer hypocritical right right yeah okay so if that is true and they're willing to be judged by the same
04:58:00Andrew Wilsonstandard that they're judging you but Society happens to judge them for it in a totally different way and you just don't like how they're being judged the differently than you how would that actually make them a
04:58:16Andrew Wilsonhypocrite wait repeat that again so here Let's do let's uh let's give an example guy goes up to a room and he bangs five chicks in one night he walks out and his
04:58:27Andrew Wilsonbuddies are around and they're like hey bro high five right woman does the same thing and they come out and they're like oh God what a skank right you you would agree that this is a probably a much more common occurrence than people
04:58:40Andrew Wilsonpeople want to admit right but here's the thing that's interesting is that even women judge those men by that a different standard than they judge other women so if the men are saying okay you can judge me by the same exact standard
04:58:52Andrew Wilsonthat I'm judging you it's just that people really don't like it men or women when you do it and don't care so much when I do it how would that actually make them a
04:59:03Panel (mixed)hypocrite that's true I mean I guess if you're judging each other both in the same way and at the same level then yeah it's not hypocritical but I think
04:59:13Panel (mixed)it's it's not fair right it's not that it's not fair I think it's just a bit hypocritical to judge someone he just said it wasn't hyp
04:59:24Andrew Wilsonsame actions oh no no no you're Jud you're but you can be judged by the same standard just so happens that when the standard is applied to you people judge you less harshly for it how would that be
04:59:38Panel (mixed)hypocritical and they just judge me okay
04:59:45Panel (mixed)wait thank you thanks Ryan um okay you want me to move it on no I think I get what you're saying I'm just like a
04:59:56Panel (mixed)little confused on the wording I I don't know maybe I'm just inter misin interpreting things okay so let's put it this way if you call a woman thank you
05:00:06Andrew Wilsonuh a that's offensive to women right mhm yeah that's a harsh negative judgment yeah yeah if you call a Manore he goes yes so what
05:00:17Andrew Wilsonright he goes yeah so what now you're judging him by the same exact standard he's judging you hang on hang on you're judging him by the same standard he's
05:00:27Andrew Wilsonjudging you he just doesn't give a right so how would he be a hypocrite he's using the same standard you're using yeah he just doesn't give a about your standard right yeah okay and
05:00:39Panel (mixed)again my it wouldn't be if you're judging each other at the same level yeah and in the same way yeah right so that wouldn't be H
05:00:47Brian Atlashypocrisy then yeah right okay so cool that's we're in agreement I'll I'll move it on
05:00:57Brian Atlasunless uh Andrew did you you want to you add more or no no no I'm good that uh before I get into the next thing uh Andrew um Andrew was a very handsome man
05:01:09Brian Atlaswhen he he was younger I want to bring it back to age Gap dating really quick though maybe you know Andrew he's he's older now but would you guys date him when he was in his prime picture yeah
05:01:21Brian Atlaslet's see a phot love the picture by the way twitch.tv what the no way the where did that come from bro why he look like my brother wait how did why is that even
05:01:31Brian Atlasthere wait what chran were you just like yanking it to to him back there or what my brother why was he pulled up bro because he looks just like him oh like Andrew okay pull pull up Andrews
05:01:43Brian Atlaspull up Andrews does Andrew look like okay I can kind of see it so Andrew how old were you here yeah here uh I think I
05:01:52Brian Atlasthink I was 19 19 19 okay all right going around the table would you date Andrew Wilson starting with you m you mean 19-year-old Andrew wi yeah 19-year-old okay what about you just
05:02:06Brian Atlasbased off looks just off looks like don't disregard his feminist personality no I'm sorry Andrew light that cigarette up Andrew light it up no
05:02:18Andrew Wilsonno what about you I mean I had way hotter chicks than you so that doesn't hurt my feelings I'm really glad by the way Andrew I mean did you see me did you see me back then I mean come on I was way out of your
05:02:30Brian Atlasleague yeah when you were in your Prime I believe you way out of your league we weren't even in the same by the way Andrew somebody sent earlier on somebody sent in the TTS asking if the girls would date me and they were all brutal
05:02:42Brian Atlasthey were all brutal so you can excoriate all the girls I have no problem whatsoever go ahead um would you date young Andrew Wilson pull the picture back up yeah one more time Nick
05:02:55Unknownshe needs it fresh she wants that double P she needs it fresh okay yeah mhm oh W Andrew oh yeah wait say that one more
05:03:03Unknowntime yeah yeah yeah yeahh okay you okay uh was about you no is it cuz is it cuz he's white
05:03:14Andrew Wilsonno she come on back then back I would have been like who's this dorky chick with these coke bottle glasses get her out of here get this chick out of here A friend of mine would have come over and been like this is my friend you know
05:03:26Andrew WilsonTanya or whatever and I'd have been like get this chick away from me what are you doing what are you doing her prescription it looks like she's wearing my mom glasses what are you
05:03:36Brian Atlasdoing what's that look at you now oh boy [Laughter]
05:03:47Panel (mixed)God are you waiting for me yeah Oh I thought you going to point me out um in high school yes I would but probably not any not in my age now or my type now
05:03:59Panel (mixed)yeah the redhe heads always did adore me it's oh Fair that's fair all right what about you um I would only say no because you look you remind me of my brother you kind of really look like my brother in that picture
05:04:10Brian Atlashuh I know so then I'd be like I'm just not attracted to my brother so Andre do you have anything more to say to this girl in the corner over here you have
05:04:20Andrew Wilsonanything else wait why I don't know I don't know me you mean the urle chick over there I don't like I don't know where where does this self-esteem come from like that in that picture right it
05:04:32Andrew Wilsonwas soon after high school I would just passed a Girl Like You by in the hallway and just scoffed at you you would you you wouldn't end My Le what are you thinking look at you and look at that
05:04:43Panel (mixed)picture of me not even the same universe do feel the need to like insult the women who said no why are you getting so why feel the need to give and pass such harsh judgments towards the wom why they have
05:04:55Andrew Wilsonto pass such harsh judgment on my 19-year-old just said no that guy in that picture is very sensitive this is why you're not he's
05:05:06Andrew Wilsonvery very sensitive young man yeah he he is married I know you're natural beauty but I think with the right clothes the right look you can be very
05:05:18Panel (mixed)striking all right that was pretty good bring the wife in what about you uh at the age that I am now no too young what about when you were younger would
05:05:29Panel (mixed)you gone for him yeah probably but then I would have breaken up by now into the mic uh yeah probably but I would have breaken up by now
05:05:40Panel (mixed)why because the way he look no cu the way he looks now oh back then yeah I think that's fair brutal Morgan what's up but you would have been you
05:05:51Panel (mixed)would have been so because I didn't date big girls so I just you would have been s she's not big okay okay waa that's so I think he's attractive but um I don't know I don't
05:06:05Brian Atlasknow sorry I don't know if I wasn't taken yes now I want to throw my hat into the ring here I found oh my go I I'm not
05:06:17Brian Atlasgoing to do it for less than a champagne Pop I found a video of me at 22 this is like
05:06:25Brian Atlas2012 shirtless oh po uh posing into a 480p webcam in my small ass bedroom
05:06:36Brian Atlaswith my karate belts hanging in the back no can we see it I'm only doing it for a champagne Pop I will only play this video for a champagne Pop please
05:06:47Andrew Wilsonsomeone give that has a champagne pop but it's me flexing into I can I can match it so if there's if there's five champagne Pops I I found an old video of
05:06:58Brian Atlasme the other day at that same age where I was playing the guitar and roasting my sister it's hilarious so I'll see that and match it I think five champagne is what about one champ champagne pop for mine oh no no way I'm
05:07:11Brian Atlasreleasing that for lesson five five champagne okay all right um but yeah it's a video I'm cringing I'm like
05:07:19Brian Atlascringy flexing into a webcam that's 480p yeah anyways um is it on standby I
05:07:29Brian Atlashave it pretty much it's ready to go pretty much man come on come on people so champagne Pop um anyways moving on
05:07:38Brian Atlashere a little bit that we uh need to oh okay I think uh oh you said if women want the right to vote then they must be
05:07:46Brian Atlasin a mandatory draft no I agree that's fair no oh wait you agree I
05:07:58Panel (mixed)mean for the sake of equality I think that would be fair women should have to be drafted well traditionally isn't that
05:08:08Brian Atlaswhy women weren't able to vote uh well that's how men got the right to vote right it's because they were drafted essentially I mean there's a lot of components but to simplify it
05:08:20Brian Atlasit's like a main driver that's that's yeah main driver main driver uh anyways we won't Linger on that one um and then going to Sophia you are financial analyst and The Magician's assistant are
05:08:34Brian Atlasthere any videos of you being a magician's assistant we should pull this up cuz your boyfriend is a magician wait that's awesome can you show us a magic trick or is that more so the perview of your
05:08:47Panel (mixed)boyriend like poof you're taken what kind of magician is he Street magician stage magician uh he has his own show in South Lake Tahoe so come see us um Alex rone magic show he performs
05:08:59Panel (mixed)at Harvey's Lake Taho do you have videos of you yeah getting cut in find that Nick find that let's cut her in half right now has he been on pen and Teller yes he actually won the show are
05:09:10Andrew Wilsonyou kidding I love that show well explain explain this magic trick then you see the &m rapper to go
05:09:24Andrew Wilsonready whoa oh wow beautiful wow yeah pretty amazing you know those off camera Ang pretend like you just make my dick go soft got
05:09:35Brian Atlasnothing okay oh yeah I don't know why I pressed that one but okay um so you said uh are we
05:09:47Brian Atlasfinding the video you said how women are set setting themselves up to be single how women can sabotage their own relationships how feminism has ruined unions between women and men yeah do you
05:09:57Panel (mixed)want to I agree with myself elaborate on all three of those um sure okay let's start with this first one here um women are setting themselves up to be single
05:10:09Panel (mixed)um I believe that feminism is feeding women a lie um it's leading them down a path of loneliness um I don't see how a man would want you if you inherently
05:10:22Panel (mixed)believe that they're dangerous um and they can't offer you anything so under that guise how can you possibly expect somebody to want to commit to you doesn't make sense to
05:10:35Brian Atlasme okay okay moving on my next statement you also yeah you also wrote modern dating is trash hookup culture is the epitome of instant gratification and
05:10:46Brian Atlasslowly chips away at especially women's self-worth I believe women pretend to be things to look attractive to men then get the attention they seek so their behavior gets more and more extreme they're being tossed around and used we
05:10:57Brian Atlaswonder why depression is at an all-time [Music] high hit it on the nail oh okay this is an easy panel I was not expecting this tonight okay and then I guess the thing you tend to agree with Brian on most
05:11:10Brian Atlasthings except his stance on marriage I believe marriage is important and look forward to getting married yeah and I'm surprised you flipped your stance it sounds like you're kind oh no I'm still against marriage okay but I'm saying I
05:11:22Brian Atlascould also become a stage magician in the future if you know anyone you could find your wife actually I wanted to be a magician when I was younger that's fun should have followed your dreams never happened why didn't you I didn't have
05:11:34Panel (mixed)the dexterity for the card stuff it's rough or window with your hand to see through that's a big problem it was very difficult it was a hard time for me
05:11:45Brian Atlasso the marriage stuff I mean do you want to make it how about this I've already laid out my arguments plenty of times why don't you give me a compelling reason why I or other men who are
05:11:57Brian Atlasmarriage hesitant should get married let me answer your question with a question do you want children let me answer your question with an immediate rebuttal you don't
05:12:08Panel (mixed)need to married to have children well that's correct but thinking about the well-being of your child and setting them up for the most success that's why I'm asking the question so do you believe in a partner
05:12:21Brian Atlasfor life and just not getting married yeah you can you can be in a monogamous long-term relationship for the entire duration of your life and have children um I fail to see how it would set them up better if you're
05:12:32Brian Atlasmarried uh especially given the divorce rate and divorce seems to have a very negative impact on children so what about a prenut do you believe about it I mean you could have a prenup so when you what does that have to do with anything I mean prenup
05:12:45Brian Atlasstill doesn't undo the damage that a divorce is done to a child that's true I think that's what he was talking about keep going no I'm I'm I'm going keep going what else okay so I sure I want
05:12:57Panel (mixed)kids go ahead so would you be in a long-term relation no this is her time this is time sh sorry thought her time I feel like I can smell the smoke I mean
05:13:06Panel (mixed)in my opinion um a woman is going going to seek marriage because she she wants the security that it offers it certainly sets a boundary around the relationship
05:13:17Brian Atlasyeah that's that's what the woman wants correct I asked you why should a man get married because a marriage for the for the benefit of the woman mhm right
05:13:28Panel (mixed)that's what the woman wants and requires I'm selfish okay then actually I'm not even selfish hold on that's poor argument what's the benefit to towards the man you get a committed woman but if you're not I can get a committed woman without
05:13:42Panel (mixed)marriage then you don't need to get married then great then that's fine for you come on you need to make a stronger argument than that if you're going to convince me that marriage is good I mean if you can find a woman who is perfectly
05:13:54Panel (mixed)okay with not getting married and having your children then I'm happy for you me personally speaking I would not be okay with that and I believe that a lot of
05:14:04Panel (mixed)women um might I say high value women would not be okay with such an Arrangement because the woman is risking more in that exchange how is she risking
05:14:15Panel (mixed)more well if she is having a baby now she's sacrificing her body potentially if she has a career and a source of income she's now going to hopefully uh
05:14:27Andrew Wilsonquit that and become a full-time mother so she relies on the the father to provide the source of income so that's why oh no no she had to not go to work every day oh
05:14:40Panel (mixed)super high risk that she had to stay at home and not go to work every day so risky no earlier on this podcast I was saying how I could have been the perfect poster child for feminism because I have
05:14:51Panel (mixed)proven to be independent I bought my own home um I can provide for myself and I absolutely hate having a job I tell my fiance all the time like when can I quit
05:15:02Panel (mixed)my job and fold your laundry like I would love to do that every day so I agree with you it's a really good good deal to be it sure seems to be I don't know why if you're saying it's a good deal though why you think that women
05:15:14Andrew Wilsonwould uh demand that they be married in order to get this deal somebody gave them the same deal and they weren't married uh from a secularist perspective why should they get married I think the
05:15:24Andrew Wilsonmarriage just provides the security that that is going to be provided to them okay so then let's see if the if we test this if this is true let's say the man says okay I'll get married to if you sign a prenup that says no matter why we
05:15:37Panel (mixed)get divorced I get to keep everything that I bring into the marriage and so do you mhm would you sign that I think that certainly puts a boundary around the
05:15:46Panel (mixed)woman's behavior and motivates her to um behave in a certain way in the marriage and make sure that the marriage doesn't deteriorate so I think that's a good motivation yeah great so then if that is
05:15:58Andrew Wilsonthe case then you could definitely have that exact same relationship absent marriage
05:16:07SPEAKER_06right I see see what you're
05:16:13Panel (mixed)saying I personally would not be comfortable with it why not I believe that man and woman is supposed to get married I mean you got
05:16:24Andrew Wilsonmarried yourself right so yeah I'm religious okay yeah are you religious yes yeah so then that would I can understand and and Brian also argues this as well he understands why there
05:16:36Andrew Wilsonwould be motivation for religious people to get married but what I don't understand is why there's any motivation for a secularist to get married I don't actually understand that cuz you can have all of those same exact things
05:16:49Panel (mixed)absent the marriage so I I don't even understand what the point is I agree because I think a marriage is also a
05:16:57Brian Atlascontract with God wait if I can actually jump in on this also uh even even the objections that I raise as to the
05:17:08Brian Atlasnegatives of marriage these also apply to religious men too yeah and let say you get a covenant
05:17:21Andrew Wilsonmarriage so you can have a covenant marriage and not involve the state right and then uh it's not nearly so uh so egregious but assuming even then for a second that you do involve the state at
05:17:33Andrew Wilsonleast I understand that motivation because you're feeling you're filling out your thology so you're like you said you said your purpose is to get married right so that's part of that's part of your TS or what you consider your
05:17:43Andrew Wilsonpurpose to be yes so that's part of your religion I get that I understand that motivation makes total sense to me what I don't understand though is from a secularist perspective non-religious perspective what motivation they could
05:17:57Panel (mixed)possibly have for it because it just doesn't seem like like what would there actually be yeah no I understand why you're asking that question especially with divorce and the way that that goes
05:18:07Panel (mixed)over for men they get the shorter end of the stick almost guaranteed um so I I understand why men don't want to get married I
05:18:18Andrew Wilsondo yeah do well do you do you could you give a single argument then from Brian's perspective who's not religious why you should actually get
05:18:29Andrew Wilson[Music] married I don't think I can why shouldn't Brian be able to have his cake and eat it too if he can find a woman
05:18:39Panel (mixed)who's okay with that truly who would be honest and wouldn't hold resentment then that's great yeah but I mean you run that same risk even if you're
05:18:50Andrew Wilsonmarried that a woman could be being dishonest and holding resentment like that this these are not exclusive to secularists nor Christians nor Muslims nor nor whoever right whoever gets
05:19:02Panel (mixed)married this is still a possibility yeah but I'm speaking specifically to the idea that the woman her own moral a um relationship that's
05:19:13Panel (mixed)not in a marriage but yet she agrees to it and she allows herself to be in that relationship and so the resentment is harbored from the lack of um legality of the marriage um is what I'm specifically
05:19:25Andrew Wilsontalking to but yes resentment can ex I don't even know what perks you would get from the legality uh purpose at at this point what like a couple of tax break tax write off yeah you know some some
05:19:35Andrew Wilsonearned income child credits maybe it doesn't seem like it's worth it mhm so I really I really like I've tried to rationalize this how how do you convince a guy like Brian from a Christian
05:19:47Andrew Wilsonperspective that they should get married and I I do have good Arguments for this but um but the women on these panels never do they never have any because they only think of it from the
05:19:59Panel (mixed)perspective of self which is oh it's to protect the woman it's to do good the woman perspective of the child too though and so if your child asks you mom why didn't you ever marry dad you have
05:20:11Panel (mixed)to be prepared to answer that and I would assume that a child would want their parents to have a union that's sacred yeah but why I mean again that's
05:20:23Andrew Wilsonfrom a religious perspective because you use the word sacred right secularist don't believe in sacred nothing so if they're just saying mommy and daddy love each other and there's these little chemicals in our brains that make us
05:20:35Andrew Wilsonlove each other because um that's the way that we're construed and we love you too cuz there's chemicals in our brain that make us love you too and we're going to stay together forever and ever and that seems to work
05:20:46Andrew Wilsonfrom a monogamous standpoint I don't actually know why they would ever want to take the risk of getting the state involved and getting married I I don't actually understand why they would do that it seems like the dumbest decision possible
05:21:12Andrew WilsonW's in the chat don't get married boys I agree with him I I don't want to get married W Macy's in the
05:21:23Andrew Wilsonchat I just need you to know though that um I have an ulterior motive for this and um I don't know if I'm going to go to hell for it or not I sure hope I don't but my ulterior motive is uh I
05:21:36Andrew Wilsonwant all secularists to end up being genetic dead ends and not to breed so that the religious take over that's that's ultimately I I would prefer that
05:21:46Andrew Wilsonso if I can give all secularist motivations to not have a healthy happy marriage and to instead just Embrace complete and total selfishness uh I'm I I actually would prefer that for society
05:21:59Andrew WilsonI think that the ends of that would be better
05:22:07Brian Atlaswell ni nice good times good times anyways uh I think that's it for all the pre-show notes we're going to
05:22:18Brian Atlasget into a couple more things here Nick were there any reacts we had to do or I think uh no we went over that article
05:22:27Brian Atlaslike the I think we need Macy and you to stand up one more time just so cuz
05:22:33Panel (mixed)Andrew wasn't here he needs to see this versus T okay okay here's me standing as tall as I can oh
05:22:52Panel (mixed)chair no comment nice think you got to hit that Cricket button one more time all right
05:23:04Brian Atlascool she's taller than you Andrew what do you think of that I mean it happens it happens it happens so I do want to um just show of hands I
05:23:16Brian Atlasmean we kind of did this again but I want to get into a bit more detail here who's a feminist show of hands I guess by Andrew's definition that he provided
05:23:27Brian Atlasearlier now suddenly nobody's a feminist they're not a feminist anym can you pull up the Google definition uh
05:23:39Brian AtlasI guess I guess we could do that um while we do that just going around the table what do you think of or what what do you think of oh my God okay so the Google
05:23:51Andrew Wilsonsaid the definition the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of equality of the Sexes so an entailment of equality between of the Sexes is going to be rejection of patriarchy otherwise you can't be equal right you would agree
05:24:03Andrew Wilsonthat that's true so then my definition was absolutely correct right yeah okay
05:24:13Brian Atlasperfect uh let's see so going around the table I'll just ask my stack who is the primary victim of war men or
05:24:23Panel (mixed)women War yeah who's the primary victim of war men or women men men men I think
05:24:31Brian Atlasboth both men men men equally men equally men did the German girl say equally okay
05:24:42Sophia (UCSB)um so why and why for those of you who said equally I think everyone suffers from war right like there's yeah there are more F fatalities within men but
05:24:55Brian Atlassufferage is different right everyone suffers so equally they both suffer are there different degrees of suffering like somebody who stubs their
05:25:05Brian Atlastoe for example uh suffers less than than somebody who uh loses a family member would you agree with that
05:25:17Brian Atlasstatement sorry could you repeat that one more time you're saying that what repeat that one more time you said okay somebody who stubs their toe they bang
05:25:28Sophia (UCSB)their toe on uh a corner mhm versus somebody who loses a family member which is worse is the suffering worse obviously the person who lost a family
05:25:40Sophia (UCSB)member is worse are you saying like between men and women whose suffering is worse because men for example and then women for
05:25:50Brian Atlasexample well I mean you said everybody suffers therefore it's equal but granting that women will suffer in war is the suffering equal to the suffering
05:26:01Sophia (UCSB)of men knowing what you know about obviously they're different right but the way that women have to suffer they lose a son they lose a brother they lose
05:26:10Sophia (UCSB)a dad that suffering you can't compare the two but that suffering you can't say that that suffering is less than men suffering because they're dying in war or they're getting shot up in war not so
05:26:23Brian Atlaswell so okay the question is who's the primary victim so when it comes to I guess victimhood status uh are you more a victim if
05:26:33Brian Atlasyou're murdered as compared to being the family of the murdered I think I'm not saying I'm sure the suffering I'm sure it'd be awful to
05:26:45Brian Atlashave a family member murdered mhm but they didn't get murdered you still didn't get murdered let me ask you a question would you rather be murdered or would you rather someone you know got
05:26:56Brian Atlasmurdered and deal with the suffering that would come along with that I'd rather both of us not get murdered can you engage with a hypothetical no I don't want to
05:27:09Brian Atlaswhy not cuz I don't want to I don't want to it's not even like a czy controversial either way my you don't have the you don't have the mental
05:27:20Panel (mixed)Constitution to think about a hypothetical about it at all just that in itself I don't want to think about it but my answer still stays right I think both suffer both are
05:27:34Brian Atlasvictims okay question your um your cousin is murdered would you prefer that over you being
05:27:51Brian Atlasmurdered would I rather have my cousin murdered or me be murdered yes in terms of perhaps the framing could be like what is a uh what would have a bigger impact on
05:28:02Sophia (UCSB)you of course my cousin being murdered would have a bigger impact cuz me being murdered how the would I remember that right all right I'm moving it over um oh here hang on hang on let me just engage very
05:28:12Andrew Wilsonquickly in life are you going to suffer everyone suffers yes is it preferable to live even though you suffer sorry what I was reading is it
05:28:24Andrew Wilsonpreferable to live even though you suffer yes okay well then if it's preferable to live even though you suffer then if men are dying and you're not then isn't it preferable for you to
05:28:36Andrew Wilsonbe in the state where you're not dying and so can live to
05:28:43Sophia (UCSB)suffer no I'd rather kill myself because I don't want to see my men my brothers my dad all the men around me to die and then me suffer watching
05:28:56Panel (mixed)the okay uh so you said uh it's equal why do you think that because I think if there's war in your country country it's
05:29:08Panel (mixed)just like mhm like it's terrible even if you're not drafted and I think if you're partner or family member or friend dies in War I
05:29:19Brian Atlasthink it's as I'd say it's also terrible for well let me ask you about a recent conflict that you're from Germany you live in Europe you're not too far away
05:29:28Brian Atlasfrom Ukraine uh in Ukraine all the women could leave the country men between the ages of 18 and either 60 or 65 I need to figure out what the actual number is uh
05:29:40Brian Atlasmen had to stay in the country they could not leave the country men are overwhelmingly the casualties of war in the Ukraine conflict the civilian and the um and the military casualties
05:29:54Brian Atlasknowing that all women if they were inclined to could flee the country and all men had to stay in this specific conflict would you say that the uh suffering experienced uh comparatively between
05:30:06Panel (mixed)Ukrainian women and Ukrainian men is comparable is equal I think it's really hard to tell but I've not seen any of those men but I've seen kids on the street who were
05:30:17Panel (mixed)allowed to come to our countries suffer and cry for their parents or yeah Dad because they don't have them anymore and I think that's pretty much
05:30:28Brian Atlasequal well I would imagine the child uh the distribution of children is 50/50 about between boys and girls
05:30:38Brian Atlasso the suffering between boys and girls would be equalized I mean little boys are not forced to stay in Ukraine no but that's I'm saying they can flee
05:30:50Brian Atlasbut you the the question is between men and women but the children the distribution there is probably fairly equal 50 50/50 so you have both boys and girls
05:31:03Andrew Wilsonwho are suffering yeah okay you think they're suffering
05:31:10Andrew Wilsonequally the kids yeah right and so what let me ask you let me ask you this um when it comes to suffering are people capable of moving on from the death of a
05:31:23Andrew Wilsonloved one I don't know I I think you've never had a love one die no never never okay but do you can see that there are people who have loved ones die every day and
05:31:35Andrew Wilsonthey are able over time to move on from those traumas right I'm sure there are but I'm sure there are can you move on hang on I'm sure there are can you move on from Death no but no so then how are these
05:31:48Andrew Wilsoneven close to equally yolked if you can move on from the suffering of a loved one dying you can't move on from Death how can you ever compare and say that the victims then primarily would be both
05:32:00Andrew Wilsonit could it would only be one right you could at least recover from the suffering of the loss beloved one but can you recover from death no you can't but you don't have to
05:32:10Andrew Wilsonsuffer through the life after oh wait so suffering is it's it's death is preferable to
05:32:21Andrew Wilsonsuffering I mean no I guess not okay I guess not isn't isn't in your life haven't you
05:32:29Andrew Wilsonsuffered not as bad as I'm not saying as bad but you have suffered right yeah and I noticed that you're still quite alive and you probably likely prefer to
05:32:41Panel (mixed)be alive correct yeah because my worst suffering was when I heard my when I like got injured or something like nothing terrible mhm yeah so but the
05:32:52Andrew Wilsonthing is is that even though you suffer you still prefer life so let me ask you this if you could ask all of the dead soldiers on the battlefield that one question would you prefer that I brought
05:33:03Panel (mixed)you back to life even though you would suffer or would you prefer to be dead which answer do you think they'd give you honestly after what the soldiers
05:33:14Panel (mixed)experien on the battlefield seeing friends being blowing up by bombs I think they would not want to live anymore oh okay gotcha so you think that they would prefer to be to be dead
05:33:25Andrew Wilsonthat's awful convenient that you think that the people who have to die in Li of you because you can't be drafted nor be sent to war would prefer to be dead over having to suffer but you have an equal
05:33:37Andrew Wilsonclaim to their suffering because after all you're still alive and have to deal with the aftermath right poor poor you poor you no okay I they would prefer to
05:33:48Panel (mixed)be dead right they would prefer it they they wouldn't want to be alive I know I'm talking for myself I just can't imagine that I still would want to live but I also see your point
05:33:59Panel (mixed)that it's like yeah I probably agree that men who are drafted have it harder if they actually have to fight there why don't know what if they just volunteer they still have it
05:34:10Andrew Wilsonharder yeah yeah of course but if they volunteer I think it's way different then if you have to yeah I don't think it's way different so let's try this dear Amanda I've been in the trenches
05:34:21Andrew Wilsonfor 15 months fighting brutal War I can't wait to get home to you and my three young children wait for me my dear I love you boom a grenade goes off and blows him to
05:34:32Andrew Wilsonsmithin you think that he would prefer to stay dead rather than have to deal with the suffering of his of his friends uh getting killed on the battlefield is that really your position after you
05:34:45Andrew Wilsonthink about it for even one second no I think for some people it is that way I'm not talking about everyone but sure some but I mean I mean not even the vast majority right it can't even be that way
05:34:55Panel (mixed)for the vast majority of them I think if you live through horrible things and War and experience horrible things you some people probably don't want to live anymore with that
05:35:08Andrew Wilsonokay well I'll give you a I'll just end this real quick so Brian can move it on with a final quote from a famous movie called Full Metal Jacket one of the most famous lines from that movie was the dead only know one thing that it's