She Is 6ft10?! She Gets BORED & Dumps Men?! Single BUT Unavailable? 3 VlRGlNS? | Dating Talk #181
Date: 2024-07-24
Duration: 7h 24m
Guests
Identified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Panel (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_13Sophia (UCSB)(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:13
IntroGuest panel introductions round
“have the guests introduce themselves please tell us your name age location and occupation”
00:08:39
QuoteSophia Nevada reveals she is Miss Nevada United World, competing for international title Labor Day 2024
“I'm also currently your Miss Nevada United World I will be competing for the international title this Labor Day weekend”
00:19:56
QuoteSophia UCSB reveals she gets bored and dumps men every ~3 months; the "3-month rule"
“I get bored with a person... do you know the 3 month rule you're always excited to see this person and you just want to hang out with them all the time and then like that feeling just slowly fades away”
00:23:02
QuoteSophia (UCSB) wants to see boyfriend only once every 2 weeks - described as wanting extreme independence
“I want a long-distance relationship maybe see each other once every two weeks”
00:40:52
QuoteKaani reveals she is "single but not available" - still loves Muslim ex, waiting to heal
“I am single but not available... I'm single but I'm not interested or looking for anyone... my heart is still for him”
01:16:46
QuoteVirgin hat trick reveal - Sophia UCSB, Victoria, and one other guest all confirmed virgins
“wait are you also a virgin okay any other virgins any virgins virgins at the table no way there's no way”
01:50:58
QuoteBear vs man scenario introduced - asking panel who they would rather be dropped in forest with
“you get randomly dropped into a forest you can choose for a random man or a random bear to also be randomly dropped in a forest with you”
02:01:55
QuoteSophia UCSB claims 60% of men would murder or assault a woman - Brian challenges the figure
“more than 50%... 60%... 60% would do what murder you either murder me or try to like essay you”
03:04:55
QuoteHaley shares story of 3yr situationship with man who withheld all relationship privileges "not until you're my wife"
“anytime someone tells you they won't do certain things for you unless you are their wife run”
03:14:20
QuoteHaley confronts that ex gave new girlfriend everything within 1 month that he withheld from her for 3 years
“literally a month later and did everything post within one month... shared my location with her and I just didn't feel like I needed to unshare it”
Topics Discussed
00:03:13
Guest introductions
Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian follows up with relationship status for each.
00:09:40
Dating app profile review
Panel reviews a submitted dating app (Hinge) profile from a Princeton student. Discusses what "spontaneous adventure" means in dating profiles.
01:01:40
Roster / dating multiple people
Discussion of whether guests have had a "roster" of multiple dating partners simultaneously. Sophia admits to breaking up due to boredom (3-month rule).
01:10:00
Macy - height, world record, dating, OnlyFans
Extended discussion with Macy about her 6'10" height, Guinness World Record for longest female legs, dating challenges, OnlyFans content (dick ratings), Marfan syndrome.
01:21:40
Sticky note / body count and traditional values
Kaani presents sticky note analogy: women lose "stickiness" with high body count if seeking traditional men. Panel debates.
01:33:20
Virgins reveal / virgin hat trick
Sophia (UCSB), Victoria (implied), and a third guest revealed as virgins. Discussion of waiting for right person vs marriage.
01:50:58
Bear vs man in forest
Classic bear/man thought experiment. Panel split: Macy, Sophia (UCSB), Natalie pick bear; others pick man. Discussion of fear of men, random threat probability.
02:00:00
Sexual assault statistics / UCSB study
Sophia (UCSB) cites orientation study claiming 7/10 UCSB women experienced "essay" (broadly defined). Brian challenges definition including catcalling.
03:05:00
Haley - 3yr situationship / withheld commitment
Haley shares story of man who refused to post her/share location/"until you are my wife" for 3 years, then gave new girlfriend everything within 1 month.
03:06:00
Why men move on faster (or do women?)
Discussion of which gender moves on faster post-breakup. Haley argues women move on faster; evolutionary explanation from Brian (men dying in war).
03:15:00
50/50 relationships and who pays
Panel debate on 50/50 relationship dynamics, who pays on first date, and who should ask whom out.
04:26:40
Age gap debate
Discussion on age gaps in relationships. Brian asks whether healthy 20yr/33yr relationship is better than jaded same-age dating.
06:36:40
Andrew Wilson call-in: trans identity debate
Andrew Wilson calls in. Extended debate on transgender identity, ontological sex categories, trans disclosure in dating, gender and patriarchy.
07:01:40
Men not caring about women's careers
Brian argues men do not find women more attractive due to academic/career achievements. Panel debates, Sophia Nevada agrees from personal experience.
07:20:00
Outro / raid
Brian wraps up, does Twitch raid of Aladar (World of Warcraft). Andrew Wilson raid mentioned.
Transcript
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03:43:29
Brian Atlasfor example you can't um I think it might bar you from I'm trying to there's a couple more but in any case Beyond just uh oh you can't vote too um so
03:43:41
Brian Atlasthose are two that kind of strike me immediately ways in which there's a inequality between men and women why do you think that is why cuz
03:43:53
Sophia (UCSB)the men is that going to be your argument I'm genuinely curious like what do you think about that why do you think that is think about the circumcision one or the uh the draft one well either one
03:44:05
Brian Atlaslike for the draft one for example would you want women to get drafted as well abely in the in the name of equality are you against equality no I'm for it so women should be subject to forced
03:44:16
Brian Atlasmilitary conscription the same way men are okay then you disagree I was going to say why not just get rid of it yeah we should just get rid of War to
03:44:26
Panel (mixed)shouldn't we well I mean we haven't used it in how many years we haven't had to have a draft in how many years do you know when the last draft was no I'm asking you're you're asking me when the
03:44:37
Brian Atlaslast one was Vietnam okay yeah that's yeah there are men who would have been alive today had they not been drafted and there are men alive today who were
03:44:46
Brian Atlasdrafted who have uh cut up arms uh they're uh what's the word for it they
03:44:54
Brian Atlasuh PTSD PTSD trauma trauma Etc so and even though we haven't had an actual
03:45:04
Brian Atlasdraft in order for us men to be able to vote we have to be subject to it we have to register for Selective Service we cannot vote unless we register and I already listed out there's it's
03:45:14
Brian Atlastechnically a felony uh $250,000 fine you are barred from uh certain federal federal programs federal jobs
03:45:23
Brian Atlasstudent loans can't vote Etc and we can't so assuming in a world where you can't get rid of the draft you would would you agree with me that women
03:45:33
Panel (mixed)should be yeah subject to force military conscription I mean in the event that it's necessary yeah yeah and I know plenty of women who have just voluntar
03:45:45
Panel (mixed)signed up to go be Marines what does that have to do with anything well I mean like you don't even there are plenty of people joining the military are they not are they're not
03:45:55
Brian Atlasyeah they can volunteer yeah but they're not forced to in the event of uh a draft they wouldn't be forced to yeah and there are also plenty of men just volunteering to
03:46:07
Panel (mixed)go sure so my point being do we not have plenty of people why do we still need it in the event that we need
03:46:17
Brian Atlasit do you think we're closer to war now than we were 10 years ago probably yeah yeah uh so I don't know it's just interesting thought um anyways we were
03:46:30
Brian Atlastalking about uh by the way Nick on put uh does this look Overexposed well it's too late now but
03:46:41
Brian Atlasit's it's if somebody steps in front of the camera it tends to overexpose it I think it looks it looks well but it it'll only lasts briefly um just something to be aware of if it is
03:46:51
Brian AtlasOverexposed I can fix it uh we have a message here from New bear question donate 100 let's say it's a starved bear or an evil man both of them are fully intent on making sure you have a bad day
03:47:03
Brian Atlasdo you think your chances of Escape are greater against the bear or the man starting with you are we answering this question I feel into into the mic I feel
03:47:13
Panel (mixed)like you would probably be dead either way so I'd still pick the bear I I would picked the man and I think I changed my answer from the first
03:47:25
Panel (mixed)time too I think I'm going to stick with the bear I'm going to stick with the bear too okay all right oh was that just okay
03:47:37
Brian Atlaswell the question was do you think your chances of Escape are greater against the bear or the man I think my chances are zero and and I'd rather be killed by the bear okay yeah yeah me too Andrew
03:47:49
Brian Atlasyou missed quite a interesting bear segment but I don't know if it's worth uh rehashing it uh in any case there was a bit of a uh determination from the girls over here that uh something about
03:48:01
Brian Atlas80 to 90 million men in the United States would be inclined to either murder or uh harm like essay a woman
03:48:09
Andrew Wilsonessentially so uh that was interesting can we try play a game of can Andrew pick out the feminists on the panel so I don't know anything about him but but
03:48:21
Andrew Wilsonlet can I just see if my if my feminism radar is up to Snuff yeah let's do it let's do it all right all right let's do it so we'll start with big red on the
03:48:31
Andrew Wilsonright right pleasure to meet you by the way feminist for sure 100% 100,000% got to be a feminist am I wrong I mean I never identified as one
03:48:42
Andrew Wilsonbut sure yeah well okay so that's that's actually a good point when I say feminism I mean uh definitionally the movement towards egalitarianism and the rejection of patriarchal systems that's
03:48:54
Andrew Wilsonfeminism yeah okay yeah yeah so you'd be a feminist right and then to the gal next to you definitely a
03:49:02
Andrew Wilsonfeminist yes by that definition or no um sure okay gal next to you definitely a feminist am I correct by that definition
03:49:12
Panel (mixed)I've never outright called myself a feminist but I mean I well let me just give you the defition based on the definition I guess it's accurate yeah
03:49:22
Andrew Wilsonyeah g next to you definitely a feminist yes okay got it gal next to you definitely a feminist really yeah oh I
03:49:33
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't consider myself one based on that movement towards the egalitarian systems with the rejection of patriarchal systems no no no did I get it wrong
03:49:45
Andrew Wilsonwrong I I don't know see so I just want to let you know I can totally cheat and just call everybody on the panel feminist by that and I would still get most of them right right so I could just cheat but I'm going to try not to do that I'm going to try not to do that
03:49:56
Andrew Wilsonokay gal next to you not a feminist correct not a feminist gal next to you not a feminist correct G next to you
03:50:03
Andrew Wilsonpossibly a feminist by that definition no no no not at all well now that I and then the G next to you and then the other one not feminist correct is hold
03:50:15
Brian Atlason is it I don't know if there's any room is there possibility for you three to like scoot that way a little bit no no no just like you three room for you guys to scoot chairs this way a little bit there's no no there's like no room
03:50:28
Andrew Wilsonokay all right sorry uh sorry continue inre okay so I called the last two I think I got so I only got I think I only got one wrong
03:50:38
Andrew Wilsondid I only get one wrong only got one yeah so I think my feminist radar is doing pretty good I question why you think I'm a fe feminist
03:50:50
Andrew Wilsonguessing I'm just I'm just gonna I'll be totally honest with you there is um there's this is completely non-scientific 100% I just feel like after talking to
03:51:01
Andrew Wilsonso many women at this point based purely on how they're dressed and their physiy I can tell pretty quick if they're feminist we are just almost the same plus I have honestly more guy friends
03:51:11
Andrew Wilsonthan I do girls so I'm not super big feminist I mean that doesn't mean anything though right women usually prefer the company of men over other women now before we
03:51:22
Brian Atlasget into the feminist conversation uh I think I do want to try to at least finish up all the pre-show notes before we dive into that one but that'll certainly be an interesting
03:51:32
Brian Atlasconversation so Aaliyah yep I want to bring it to you you went through an unfort unfortunate ho phase after you end a 4.4 year 4.5 year relation ship
03:51:45
Brian Atlasyeah uh you got with someone who I was going to marry after a week of knowing them and ended up being ghosted you were raid by your ex and used to be offended by the rating now you understand yep um
03:51:55
Panel (mixed)so what was the rating uh he rated me a six uh the reason why I was offended though is because he rated other women don't you think that that's a little
03:52:04
Panel (mixed)high yeah yeah I know I agree but I was saying that he raid other women and ate in front of me and we were together so that's why I was upset about about that
03:52:15
Andrew Wilsonwell that seems a little crass yeah that's mean yeah you should at least save that for when you're out drinking with your buddies right aren't those isn't that the rules yeah
03:52:27
Brian Atlasyeah uh okay so and then sorry he rated you what he rated me a six when I was 20 that's above average yeah six is average I
03:52:40
Brian Atlasunderstand now I fell for the whole I'm a 10 full so okay yeah oh speaking speaking of Stiffler asking if to rate
03:52:51
Brian Atlastheir looks on the scale of 1 to 10 starting with I'm supposed to rate myself hold on yes look scale of 1 to
03:53:02
Brian Atlas10 wait who do I want to start with and yeah okay we'll just start over here why not I'd give myself a solid seven okay well you can't pick seven you got to pick eight or six
03:53:15
Panel (mixed)Pi seven you got to pick eight or six yeah same immediate number I give an eight okay
03:53:25
Panel (mixed)um eight eight okay I'd say I'm an eight eight i' say
03:53:33
Panel (mixed)7.5 oh I'm saying six I say six five eight eight nine that's true
03:53:45
Brian Atlasthank you I'd give it a 10 thank you gotta be humble I don't know if there's really Andrew I don't know if there's anything to pick apart here uh on the rating couple just a just a couple things I
03:53:56
Andrew Wilsonjust want to be clear uh raise your hand if you understand the question to not mean your personality or any other contributing factors just your looks can you raise your hand if that's how you
03:54:07
Andrew Wilsonunderstood the question to be okay so then if I were to ask you uh what ugly is right like what what is an ugly woman what does that look like can you describe that for
03:54:23
Panel (mixed)me no can anybody on the panel describe that hang on hang on feminist first can any of the feminists describe for me what an ugly woman looks like I think more of really what would make are
03:54:35
Andrew Wilsonyou talking like physically ugly is yeah just physically just their looks oh just their looks they're a beautiful person on the inside you know they've gone to all the great spiritual Retreats they're
03:54:45
Andrew Wilsonwonderful human beings I'm just purely talking about their physical looks yeah but I feel like that's just kind of like unnecessarily kind of
03:54:56
Panel (mixed)rude I don't know I don't want to like State what makes someone ugly cuz like you're going to find someone who finds it beautiful you're using the eye of the
03:55:06
Andrew Wilsonbeholder so the right person will see you as a piece of heart well so let me ask you a question if you can't tell me what ugly is then why should we believe you about what beautiful is and why should we believe that you're in that
03:55:23
Andrew Wilsoncategory believe whatever you want I don't care yeah I mean well whether you care whether you care about it or not I'm asking you a question I'm not asking you if you should care about what I
03:55:34
Andrew Wilsonbelieve I'm not that's not the question I'm asking I'm asking why would a person believe if you can't tell them what an ugly person is why you should think that you should be in the beautiful
03:55:47
Panel (mixed)category that is a really good point then it's just subjective and it's all like Society
03:55:56
Andrew Wilsonbuilt now going over to the non-feminist side of the room I'd like to note that I think we're going to get more honest answers to the non-feminist side can you
03:56:05
Panel (mixed)describe what an ugly woman looks like uh she's disportionate with her facial flaws very flawed how they present
03:56:14
Panel (mixed)themselves gray hair obese it aging wrinkles bat skin yeah leather skin yeah what about old
03:56:26
Panel (mixed)yeah old is that is that a contributing factor age I don't think so yeah I don't think it makes you ugly just maybe not pretty not as attractive I think yeah when you
03:56:39
Andrew Wilsonbut not as attractive would be moving you down the scale towards ugly right that's true but I don't think they're ug Chang no no I'm not saying that they're ugly just because they're older that's not my claim I'm just saying it's it's
03:56:51
Panel (mixed)at least a contributing factor right well I mean some men age like fine wine you know men are attracted to Youth and I think getting
03:57:02
Andrew Wilsonout yeah I was just curious I there's a distinction so how come I so to the feminists on the panel how come they're able to describe this but you're not able to describe it even though you do
03:57:14
Panel (mixed)have standards for what it is otherwise you couldn't put yourself in the beauty standard is it just because you don't want to hurt people's feelings no it's not because well for me personally it's not because I don't want
03:57:25
Panel (mixed)to hurt people's feelings but it's like I look at my mom who has wrinkles all over her face I would never consider her ugly I see every moment of her life in which she enjoyed where she sat out in
03:57:36
Andrew Wilsonthe sun had time shared laughs with her friends like I no I just genuinely I think I understand what you're saying you're saying like I know people personally cuz I don't think it's ugly
03:57:49
Andrew Wilsonwho yeah who according to my beauty standard may not be beautiful but I wouldn't tell them that I I get that but no I genuinely don't think it's ugly I think I understand do you just
03:58:01
Andrew Wilsonhave no standard for what ugly is at all I None I mean no but no it's like if a chick had a big hunch on her back and
03:58:13
Andrew Wilsonwarts all over her face face and she was missing all of her teeth and half of her face right here her cheek was completely busted out and her tongue was hanging out the side through her teeth is that
03:58:22
Andrew Wilsonstill a beautiful woman I mean physically I guess no but like you also don't know what happened to her you just look in your judment why would that matter why would it matter why would it matter if a meteorite hit her and that's
03:58:34
Andrew Wilsonwhat caused it or she got hit by a truck and that's what why would that matter why would that be a contributing factor why would the why in this case matter at all as to whether or not this
03:58:45
Panel (mixed)person is physically attractive or not cuz the why Always matters you always need to look deeper I mean if you don't think so that's fine we can just keep okay but I mean I want you to think
03:58:56
Andrew Wilsonabout this so I'll try to I'll try to reframe this let's say that Society had a beauty standard where people with two arms were considered more beautiful than people with one arm whether or not I got
03:59:06
Andrew Wilsonmy arm locked off by a machete or it was blown off in a war or a dump truck fell on it and that's what severed it I would still only have the one arm so the beauty standard would still be the same
03:59:17
Andrew Wilsonright I don't I'm not sure why how that happened has anything to do with the standard of what is beautiful or not you see what I'm saying I get what you're talking about like I no I get what
03:59:28
Panel (mixed)you're talking about um like a homeless person might not be considered pretty or attractive because of how they may present themselves based
03:59:38
Panel (mixed)off living off the streets for however so I love that you're just lighting a cigarette right right now that's so okay I just was not expecting
03:59:47
Panel (mixed)that um the hell is wrong with lighting a cigarette no nothing I nothing I just I no judgment I just was not expecting it it no judgment act like I'm over here
04:00:00
Panel (mixed)snorting cocaine off of a hooker or something like what's going what's going on all I did was light a cigarette someone like light up in the middle of a podcast it just caught me a bit off guard I mean like at support do you if you feel like you need a cigarette shoot
04:00:13
Brian Atlasgrab Andrew um I don't know if you want to uh maybe uh just for the sake of time uh I don't know if uh yeah yeah I'm I'm done I'm done with the inquiry here yeah yeah um and I guess just like this is always just an interesting one to ask but I
04:00:26
Brian Atlasdon't think we'll linger too long on the whole rating thing um will you'd be better looking in 10 years time starting with you as compared to now probably not okay what about you you're 20 will you
04:00:38
Unknownbe better at 30 I hope so better looking at I hope hope so yeah but you hope so but what do you uh
04:00:48
Brian Atlasthink um yeah better looking at 40 probably not okay what about you
04:00:59
Panel (mixed)you're 21 better looking at 31 at 31 or are you better looking now depending on what o see that's such a hard
04:01:09
Panel (mixed)question I I'd hope I look better at 31 hope has nothing to do with it that's true I don't know cuz I like observe how
04:01:20
Panel (mixed)women grow and they seem to kind of grow into like this Womanhood like I'm looking at you and you seem like you've grown into your Womanhood now that you've aged a bit thank you mhm but like
04:01:32
Brian Atlasyeah like I would I yeah okay um I think I'll be I think so what about 41 41 probably not but okay but you will be more
04:01:45
Panel (mixed)attractive at 31 as compared to now at 21 what about you I'd be more attractive at 30 but not at 40 okay what about you I don't think I will no what about you
04:01:56
Brian Atlasum no as much as I would want to I don't think so okay no and then you're 31 do you think you're more attractive at 21 than you are now at 31 yes more attractive at 21 yeah I was more attractive at 21 all right what about
04:02:09
Brian Atlasyou you're 18 do you think it'll be better looking at 28 versus now y uh 30 8 versus now no 38 versus 28 no okay
04:02:18
Brian Atlaswhat about you Morgan me uh 28 yeah okay 38 no okay what about you no not better looking you're 29 not better looking at
04:02:29
Brian Atlas39 correct uh were you better looking at 19 as compared to now I'm better looking now better looking now um I wonder if I
04:02:37
Brian Atlasshould change how this question is asked um are you more attractive to men now as opposed to when you were 19
04:02:48
Brian Atlasthat's a good way to phras it am I more attracted to men now do you think if we took a thousand men now and a thousand men back
04:02:58
Brian Atlasthen H I'm trying to think how to frame this do you think they would be more attracted to you now or when you were 19 the men would be more attracted to the
04:03:10
Brian Atlas19-year-old okay or yeah the simple way like if there were a thousand men do you think they'd be more attracted to you now or how you looked at 19 19 yeah okay why so but you believe you're better
04:03:22
Brian Atlaslooking now though despite this I do okay I think I take better care of myself now than I did at 19 okay cool uh let's see we have did we get through all of the notes from kaani should the
04:03:34
Brian Atlasrelationship be 50/50 no I'm not going to be able to hit all of your notes but um wait there's one do you believe in gender equality you wanted to do you believe in equ equality inequality this
04:03:46
Brian Atlasis one you wanted to pose for the table mhm uh I it's it's different than your
04:03:54
Brian Atlasprevious one um do you believe in equality H let's come back to that later uh let's see should a relationship be
04:04:05
Brian Atlas50/50 we already talked on that uh you said you disagree with a host on any on anything but maybe thinking that all women are what did you get that
04:04:15
Panel (mixed)one no cuz not all women no I know but like 60% of
04:04:22
Brian Atlaswomen would that would that be a bias thing to say that 60% of women are pores that's what you think then that's what you think it wouldn't but you wouldn't object to it you wouldn't be like well that's a bit excessive if that's the
04:04:33
Brian Atlasexperiences you had then no I don't object to it okay we're doing a call back here Andrew where she said 60% of men would in in the bare man be thing
04:04:44
Brian Atlaswould uh would opt to victimize so she said essentially like 80 to 90 million men in the United States
04:04:51
Brian Atlaswould choose to murder Ora a woman essentially and then it was 50 30 50% for the rest of the girls here so it's a lot a lot of 80 million men it's a lot
04:05:03
Brian Atlasof men but we I don't know if you want to n okay let's get through the pre-show notes here all right uh oh going back to Aaliyah you said you're now HB been
04:05:13
Panel (mixed)dated your sister yes in high school 16 years ago it was their High School relationship that's crazy nice did they
04:05:24
Panel (mixed)um were they did they did they did they boink they did they did oh and me and him discuss that too we me and him discuss a
04:05:36
Panel (mixed)lot of things so has he ever told we been best friends for like 16 he told me I'm better I mean of course he's going to wait what's your sister think I mean I
04:05:47
Panel (mixed)don't really talk to her about what me and him talk about so like at the wedding oh no she's fine with it she's moved on she has a kid with somebody
04:05:57
Brian Atlaselse she's I mean she's doing great she's moved on it's crazy so all right um interesting you said is it spiteful to be eye for an ey in a relationship so if someone isn't giving what the other
04:06:10
Brian Atlasgives is it wrong or ingenuine to step back this like is this like about like oral sex basically no it's it's more about the 50/50 thing um I guess not really oral sex it's just mainly um I
04:06:22
Panel (mixed)don't I thought that's where you were going with that like the gutter if you're in a relationship with somebody and um they're not giving you what they
04:06:31
Panel (mixed)once were giving you um is it spiteful to step back and kind of reevaluate the relationship and not give your all because they're not giving their all
04:06:43
Brian Atlasanymore okay all right that's with that fair enough um age Gap relationships you said 15 years and more is gross are gross it
04:06:54
Brian Atlasis double standard to oh that's a different hold on okay so we'll we'll touch on the age Gap stuff uh 10 you said 10 to 15 years is pushing it sorry but it gives me the ick y all I think
04:07:05
Brian Atlasabout I know you guys don't like that but it it's weird Pro uh you say it's weird gives you the ick and that it it's
04:07:15
Brian Atlaspushing it and it's gross um so can I explain can you make an argument yeah okay so I know that I'm projecting
04:07:25
Panel (mixed)because I too have been okay let me start over so you've been you've been in one of those relationships haven't you Yes actually I
04:07:35
Panel (mixed)have uh I was uh underage dating someone that was 5 years older than me um now
04:07:42
Panel (mixed)looking back on it it it is gross um it does to me that gave the P um Vibe if you know what I'm saying um but what
04:07:53
Panel (mixed)about the uh the 18-year-olds and them engaging in an agap relationship okay so it just the way I'm looking at it is if I
04:08:04
Panel (mixed)I'm talking about bigger age gaps like 15 like okay 10 to 15 years so what I'm what I'm looking at is like okay and I know this is wrong me
04:08:16
Panel (mixed)and my husband even agrees that the way I look at this is wrong um so like if you're if you've been with someone let's say they're 10 years
04:08:26
Panel (mixed)younger than you um I just look back at the fact that you were 10 years old and they were a baby to me I just see that as kind of gross but that's where I was going with
04:08:37
Andrew Wilsonthat okay so how come it doesn't give you incest Vibes that you could be dating somebody who's a same age as your brother that's a good
04:08:50
Andrew Wilsonquestion um I don't I don't know I don't know if that really relates oh well I I don't see how it doesn't if it gives you the vibe so what you're doing you're saying
04:09:03
Andrew Wilsonhow could you date somebody that young maybe that's that could be your daughter that could be this is where we going with this right yeah yeah so I mean if that is the case then how come it doesn't give you ins fives to date
04:09:14
Andrew Wilsonsomebody around your own age they could be your brother they could be right yeah I can see that so so I don't so I don't even understand the AR it makes it literally makes no sense to me if that person if you date a woman who's 15
04:09:26
Andrew Wilsonyears younger than you and you say well that's like dating your daughter okay well then if you date a man who's three years older than you that's like dating your brother does that even make sense to you I mean that part doesn't but I it
04:09:38
Andrew Wilsoncould because it's a completely it's a completely nonsensical uh worldview no sense and I said that I said I was projecting yeah so I'm just letting you
04:09:48
Panel (mixed)know right it's like it's just valid point I I already know that I'm projecting I already said it um it's just how I feel okay so it just gives you the ick
04:10:01
Panel (mixed)yep literally it gives me theck well what if a woman wants that like let's say an 18 year-old is trying to get with a 40-year-old like women do sugar daddies or whatever what if that's
04:10:13
Panel (mixed)the situation she's pursuing him um is that I still still think it's gross you pursue the man in the whole sugar baby situation I don't know I've
04:10:24
Panel (mixed)never done it I've been approached to be a sugar baby but they've always just like hopped in my DMs and I'm like you're probably fake oh cuz I know well I'm not friends with them anymore but
04:10:35
Panel (mixed)back when I first was in college I knew women would go on apps to literally look for that yeah I'm not surprised is there apps that like hold it but I don't think
04:10:46
Panel (mixed)I've ever seen like an 18 18-year-old approach a 40-year-old and try and do that I've always seen the opposite like I've
04:10:56
Brian Atlasalways seen men approaching women in my life so so even when women are older does that give you the ick yeah oh yeah definitely okay well let me give you a
04:11:05
Brian Atlaspersonal anecdote so I'm 35 uh I've had multiple women who are like 19 20 21 slide into my DMs did somebody say o did
04:11:16
Brian Atlasyou just say oo yeah but they're like fresh out of high school and that's like if you're 19 you're in college finishing your true starting your sophomore so you think it
04:11:28
Brian Atlasshould be criminalized then no but I I don't know I said they were they were dming me yeah but like why cuz they're interested in him you don't well like
04:11:41
Brian Atlaslet's look at some like really successful uh older men umh like Henry cavil Ryan caval Ryan renolds you don't think like 19 20 21y
04:11:53
Panel (mixed)old women aren't attracted to these men about Leo who only DiCaprio till they're 25 my fiance is 10 years older than me but does it still give you the ick if
04:12:04
Panel (mixed)the woman's the initiator um I mean it is kind of weird like why you trying to date someone that's so much older I don't know well let me uh
04:12:17
Andrew Wilsonlet me reframe does it give you as much of the
04:12:26
Panel (mixed)ick maybe a little bit it maybe a little less but yeah but it yeah it's still it's still a little gross in my opinion
04:12:37
Panel (mixed)why why is it gross um you're just I don't
04:12:48
Panel (mixed)know I'm trying to think about
04:12:53
Andrew Wilsonit it just it kind of just comes back to like when you I got the ick it gave me the ick and I don't like that cuz
04:13:05
Brian Atlasit gave me the ick right that's what it comes down down to really right yeah honestly I actually want I actually want to tackle this from a different perspective so if I even let me just
04:13:17
Brian Atlasgrant you all that it's icky gross creepy predatory whatever I'll just grant it to you make a make an actual compelling argument in terms of the
04:13:28
Brian Atlasbenefits to the man for why he should date for example a 35-year-old over a 25y old well make an actual compelling argument to the benefits to the Man I
04:13:40
Panel (mixed)mean there's not really a benefit for the man okay I'm open to hearing from the rest of the panel make it make an actual argument maybe maturity I was going to say they're probably emotionally more
04:13:52
Brian Atlasmat does maturity also sometimes come with baggage and Trauma and you're less good-look yesh okay so do you think maturity the
04:14:02
Brian Atlasbenefit of maturity is going to outweigh 10 years of Aging no in terms of a woman's Beauty no but
04:14:14
Brian Atlasactually the reality is this whole this whole Trope of older women being more mature uh there's plenty of young women who are mature and plenty old women who are incredibly immature true it's not
04:14:26
Brian Atlaslike you turn 30 and all of a sudden you're not toxic you're not a piece of you're not um a pain in the ass to deal with all this it it stays and it gets worse a lot of times if you have
04:14:38
Brian Atlaslike any sort of mental illness that gets worse as you get older oh absolutely it's 100% true some of the worst women I know are not are old ladies bro they're old ladies they're
04:14:51
Brian AtlasKen we've had me and Andrew have encountered them on the show God damn bro if we if me and Andrew get into a bad argument like an argument with like a 22-year-old and we disagree or
04:15:03
Brian Atlaswhatever it ends at the show some of these older women want to have a Vendetta for months because there was a disagreement for absolutely yeah yeah it's not it's not a joke yeah
04:15:16
Andrew WilsonI ain't joking around they they they create spy dossier no joke little spy dossier it's it's insane how um how this goes because there was an adversarial
04:15:27
Andrew Wilsonconversation yeah so we it's it's understood that uh pressing some of these issues on us or back on you guys um in an adversarial way can be uncomfortable like I understand that but
04:15:40
Andrew Wilsonthat doesn't mean it comes from a place of bad willll or meanness or cruelty um it just means that dating in modernity is adversarial and so the questions that are asked around it are super
04:15:52
Brian Atlasuncomfortable often and having to actually think about why it is that you believe what you do is also uncomfortable sometimes I still have not heard a
04:16:02
Brian Atlascompelling reason why uh a a man should date a 35y old woman over a 25y old woman
04:16:13
Brian AtlasI don't really know if there is a compelling reason on my end I feel like it's what they so then why should they be barred from dating younger women if you can't even make a compelling argument to the contrary I think the only argument that there could be made
04:16:25
Panel (mixed)is that if he actually can't have kids and the woman already has kids and he wants to share with those kids how common of a scenario is that exactly
04:16:36
Brian Atlasyeah wait hang on let me I'm trying to figure this out can you repeat that to me okay so let understand what she's saying so I think what she's trying to
04:16:47
Brian Atlassay the only reason why a 30 like a 35-year-old man would pick a 35-year-old woman over a 25-year-old woman the 35-year-old woman is more likely to have children than the 25-year-old and if
04:16:58
Panel (mixed)he's in Fertile his only chance to have children would be through no adopting no I don't think that's what she's saying no no no no I'm saying that he's infertile and the only reason a man
04:17:10
Andrew Wilsonwould even be with a woman that is older if she has kids and he couldn't have kids wait isn't that exactly what I'm that's what I'm saying no she's inferring something totally different here go ahead finish finish the thought
04:17:22
Panel (mixed)I'm just saying the only reason a man would probably be with a woman is if she has kids and he literally cannot have kids and he loves these kids and he'd be like all right I want to be with this woman isn't that what I'm saying okay
04:17:35
Andrew Wilsonwell then that is what Brian was saying I thought you were going totally somewhere totally different but Brian was totally right that's exactly what he say w yeah that is a w bran
04:17:44
Brian AtlasL yeah that was W Bryan he takes it on that one yeah I just um I don't really think there's a big reason though well I think do you feel it's gross because the man's predatory is that it it's
04:17:57
Sophia (UCSB)predatory
04:18:02
Panel (mixed)see he's 31 she's 21 I think that's a stereotype I don't see I think it's just
04:18:11
Panel (mixed)like an age from like 18 to 20 that it it's still kind of it's still on the cusp but being what's that really close 18 to 20 year olds they're still teenage
04:18:22
Panel (mixed)like 18 to 19 they're still teenager you're not a teenager if you're 20 no if you're 20 no but you're still more prone to doing bad and making bad decisions than you would so should 18 to 20y old
04:18:33
Brian Atlaswomen not be able to vote no I think it's all off the window they can join the military they can uh buy a firearm
04:18:43
Brian Atlasthey can uh get five figures six figures of student loan debt they can sign legally binding contracts but and they can vote but they
04:18:54
Panel (mixed)can't make a determination as to having a consensual romantic and sexual relationship with a man who's a bit older than her I didn't say they can't I said your what I mean is more your
04:19:06
Panel (mixed)responsibility as an older adult is to just not seek that cuz if you're like over here it like well cuz I'm see you
04:19:15
Panel (mixed)said 31 and 21 10 years to me is like whatever that's fine 35 and 20 15 years oh sorry I did not register that
04:19:27
Panel (mixed)in my brain 35 and 20 yeah let's let's say that that's it I mean 15 years that's still slightly weird to me I
04:19:37
Panel (mixed)don't know why you can't just find someone your own age that's P kind of man is motivated to date a younger woman because fertility no it's not it's
04:19:49
Panel (mixed)literally she can bear his children she has a higher chance of success of carrying a successful
04:19:57
Panel (mixed)pregnancy can a 3 oneyear old woman not do that her chances of success decline rapidly when she hits 30 they decline but they it's not impossible no they can
04:20:08
Brian Atlasstill get pregnant but um it's not like you're just completely poof I think perhaps the argument is I mean there's a biological basis for this Beyond just
04:20:18
Brian Atlasthe actual uh like I don't think a man intellectualized she's fertile but because men are programmed to find fertility attractive they will find more
04:20:29
Panel (mixed)youthful for example more youthful adult women attractive huh for me I think it's just they think younger women are sexier I mean that's what I've heard from nothing but men it's like yeah I don't
04:20:41
Panel (mixed)to that yeah they're more physically yeah and that's just weird to me it's what that's just kind of like I I get it
04:20:50
Andrew Wilsonbut at the same time it's weird to me why is it weird what do you um what do you think attraction is for why do you think men and women are attracted to each other what do you think the
04:21:02
Panel (mixed)ultimate purpose of that would be like I'm just thinking if you're attracted to an 18-year-old what's to say that that attraction can't then bend to a
04:21:11
Andrew Wilson17-year-old just cuz she's hot yeah we we we can we can tackle all of that at the kind of the same time what do you think men and women are attracted
04:21:22
Andrew Wilsonto each other for what is the purpose of from an evolutionary standpoint of them being attracted to each other what is the purpose of that for procreation and
04:21:31
Andrew Wilsonpleasure for for procreation right and pleasure well it wouldn't be I mean it's a pleasurable act but the purpose of the act itself would not be for pleasure it
04:21:42
Andrew Wilsonwould be for appropriation right isn't that the primary edict is to reproduce mhm so if that is true then why wouldn't
04:21:53
Andrew Wilsonit be true that through this kind of evolutionary model that men would be the most attracted to women who had the highest likelihood of being able to
04:22:04
Andrew Wilsonreproduce those women are going to be between about the ages of uh 18 and uh 26 right in that window
04:22:14
Andrew Wilsonthat makes sense right yeah yeah that makes sense also why not just so then so then Not only would it not be weird wouldn't it be a like almost a biological
04:22:25
Andrew Wilsoncertainty like that most men would be attracted to women who were between 18 and 26 more than any other kind of group of women sure maybe it'd be a certainty
04:22:37
Panel (mixed)um but I mean then why not just find that person when you are that age age yeah well I mean but we're talking about attraction right yeah you still
04:22:49
Andrew Wilsonfind those people attractive at that age when you're the same age yeah no I I get it but what what's actually the problem if the opposite is true so it wouldn't it also make sense
04:23:00
Andrew Wilsonfrom an evolutionary standpoint that women would find men who are older to be attractive because they would associate this with a wider array array of
04:23:10
Panel (mixed)survivability no I I feel like I mean I don't know I've never like dated an older man but like you talked about the
04:23:23
Panel (mixed)like age being too close to like a brother or something I've dated a younger guy where I had that experience where I was like oh you're actually like kind of the same age as my brother
04:23:33
Andrew Wilsonand I was just like that's icky thanks so I backed off and like so if you had a twin brother you're basically screwed over if you date anybody your own age I date someone older I date someone maybe
04:23:45
Andrew Wilsonlike a year or so older that's fine but like why but that's like dating your brother cuz he's only a year older no right how would that not be couldn't you have a brother who was only a year older I mean yeah you could have
04:23:58
Andrew Wilsona brother who's only a year older then date two years older date three years older date yeah but I mean but I don't understand why that's necessary like why would that be something which is even necessary if you're attracted to a guy
04:24:10
Andrew Wilsonwho's 3 years older than you and you have a brother that's 3 years older than you who gives a why would that even be
04:24:19
Panel (mixed)problematic I also think that um a lot of hang on hang on hang on let her answer let her answer sorry I mean I don't know why it would be problematic but like just for me personally I felt
04:24:29
Panel (mixed)like it was problematic cuz like I don't know my brother's younger and he's like two years younger so it just felt weird for me to like be with someone who was the same
04:24:40
Andrew Wilsonage as my little brother I don't know okay so I I get I understand from your personal perspective it gave you the it g donated
04:24:54
Nick (producer)$199.99 my husband and I just got married Wednesday and there is a 27e age Gap we have been together for 6 years honestly nothing is weird about it both
04:25:06
Panel (mixed)consenting adults oh there's a meme oh there's such a great meme we got to pull it up I agree with that you're both consenting adults like you're free to do what you want to do but I mean like yeah me personally I just wouldn't do it cuz I
04:25:18
Andrew Wilsonthink it's let me read and I think that that's I think that that's fine right um for you to have the that feeling but I just I just want to know that whether or not this this is just a feeling and it's just the ick and you actually don't have
04:25:31
Andrew Wilsonany compelling reason why people shouldn't do it other than for you personally it's just kind of icky um I think for me personally it's just kind of icky but then also I was thinking more of like you guys were saying like a
04:25:43
Panel (mixed)10 to 15 year age gap which I feel like is more acceptable and like I don't know I was definitely thinking more like like a 20-year-old and a 7-year-old well I was thinking more
04:25:55
Panel (mixed)someone like my dad's age yeah who's like above 75 75 God 65 sorry Dad um not that he's going to see this but
04:26:06
Panel (mixed)um okay well I'm will to engage with that too why would it actually be a problem if somebody your age was with somebody your dad's age why would that actually be a problem I that would that
04:26:18
Andrew Wilsonwould be such an issue for me I change split I would I wouldn't want to have a stepmom the same age as me I'm good no okay I get I get that you find it icky I'm asking though how it would
04:26:31
Andrew Wilsonactually be problem marry someone your own age I I can't I couldn't hear you I'm sorry go ahead why can't you just marry someone your own age I mean again un somebody who wasn't your own
04:26:44
Panel (mixed)[Music] age that's why but is it actually love or is it just attraction I mean is that even a concern of yours doesn't love require
04:26:58
Andrew Wilsonattraction yeah but I mean but assuming assuming even assuming even that they were just blinking they were just having sex right that's all that they were doing with each other what was your objection to
04:27:10
Andrew Wilsonthat even be know about it I'd prefer to just not know about it yeah I know I know you don't want to know about it but what would the objection to it
04:27:20
Panel (mixed)be I think honestly I think it would be worse off if he was just seeking attraction from her than like actual love I feel like I'd be more supportive
04:27:29
Panel (mixed)if they were actually in love and like had like actual love for each other that I could observe in like a way similar to like you know kind of how like my mom and dad
04:27:42
Panel (mixed)have love that I observe you know like there are things that you observe that make love evident in a relationship um I think seeing that would make me more supportive if they
04:27:52
Panel (mixed)were actually but uh yeah the just boinking that would bother me
04:27:58
Brian Atlasmore okay I got a couple questions why purely just because I think it's
04:28:14
Panel (mixed)it's just icky and I mean like I think that may just go back to me having like sexual assault Trauma from my person who did that for me when I was oh okay okay
04:28:26
Andrew Wilsonwell I'm I'm not going to dive into the trauma right I just wanted to know if the answer was cuz it's icky I think a yeah just because I think it's icky and
04:28:37
Panel (mixed)I just don't think it's uh it's just hard for it's harder for me to view it as real and like genuine you know what the
04:28:48
Panel (mixed)relationship well yeah I mean like I I mean unless there's like actual like I was saying like you know how mom and dads clearly show that they love each other and like their children can observe it and that's how you're
04:29:00
Panel (mixed)supposed to know like what a healthy relationship should or shouldn't look like you're supposed to mod out for your kids so I got to ask you then on this
04:29:10
Andrew Wilsonthis ick Factor um because because I I think I can grant to you that I don't know let's say an age gap of 20 years or more that's pretty icky
04:29:20
Panel (mixed)right it's weird it's pretty well it's pretty icky right I think it also just depends on what age people are because like yeah if it was someone who was like
04:29:31
Panel (mixed)65 and someone who was like 20 or 19 or 18 I'd be like yo what are you doing with someone who is still a teenager do
04:29:39
Andrew Wilsonyou know what the the group hang hang on real quick if you're up dring age do you do you are you aware of the group that
04:29:48
Andrew Wilsonhas the largest age Gap relation relationship is lgbtq men oh yeah is that is that does that
04:29:58
Panel (mixed)hang on does that give you the ick it does because my i' I actually it does because I've talked to private chat
04:30:09
Panel (mixed)huh disregard go ahead oh I've talked to people who are gay and they've like explained so many like it's mainly a fetish thing I'm not going to go into
04:30:22
Andrew Wilsonlike all the details yeah yeah we don't have to go into details it's it's a bit of a taboo subject but I just wanted to make sure that you were consistent and that that also gives you the mainly for that it's a fetish thing which is why it's so hard for me to believe genuine
04:30:34
Panel (mixed)attraction I'm just like are you sure you don't just have a fetish for younger women yeah no I know I get it I just want to make sure you're
04:30:43
Andrew Wilsonconsistent that that group is 5% which is astronomical compared to any other group you do think that that's icky
04:30:53
Brian Atlasright yeah and the same goes for cougars yeah yeah okay got it thank you I I got a couple questions here first off I want to show this meme Nick if you could pull it up uh the myth of consensual sex so
04:31:05
Brian Atlas30-year-old I consent I consent the 30-year-old woman she doesn't consent to their consensual relationship um the 30-year-old woman has to consent to for them to be together so I thought
04:31:17
Brian Atlasthat's a interesting meme um I do think it is like a it's almost a romantic Warfare because if women shame men for
04:31:27
Brian Atlashaving this preference towards wanting to date younger women or finding younger women more attractive uh it's secures their ability
04:31:37
Brian Atlasto get a mate when they are older um but I do think it is this sort of shaming tactic I wonder how you guys would react if for example
04:31:49
Brian Atlasmen uh large swats of men said that women who were attracted to tall men this is actually evidence of your incestuous incestuous fetishization of your fathers because when you were young
04:32:01
Brian Atlasyour fathers were tall you looked up at them and for this precise reason women's attraction towards Tall Men actually has no evolutionary basis has nothing to do with tall men or more likely to protect
04:32:12
Andrew Wilsonyou etc etc but actually that you you have incestuous fantasies um and it's actually also and also to add on to this if you're dating somebody of your own age or around your own age you must be
04:32:24
Brian Atlashaving incestuous fantasies of your own Brothers right but you it's this whole tall thing I mean I think women by and large prefer
04:32:34
Brian Atlasto date tall men uh or at least are attracted to tall men you are incestuous and predatory for seeking out tall men to satisfy your perverse incestuous fantasies doesn't that sound
04:32:49
Panel (mixed)ridiculous I mean yeah when you say it like that in that instance yeah to me date somebody your own height who makes exactly the same amount
04:33:01
Andrew Wilsonof money that you do works in the same occupational field that you do drives the same type of car that you do and has the same type of apartment that you have like all of these different things
04:33:12
Andrew Wilsonno essentially no two people are equally yolked is what Brian's getting at right and so this is going to be the case with age it's going to be the case with looks no two people there's always going to be one uh partner who's more attractive
04:33:24
Andrew Wilsonthan the other right there are some rare instances where they're about the same but not mostly most of the time one of them's at least a little bit better looking than the other one right so there's just no such thing as really uh truly being equally yolked that way
04:33:38
Nick (producer)right I think you can be equally yolked spiritually but I'm not sure that you can materially now I do have a question going back to you Macy uh you seem to McKenna Keith donated
04:33:49
Nick (producer)$200 I believe couples Stay Together longer if the girl is 8 plus years younger than the man my husband's 8 years older than myself and I wouldn't
04:33:59
Andrew Wilsoneven mind a little bigger age Gap okay actually interestingly enough one of the largest objections to age Gap relationships is that 95% of them fail
04:34:10
Andrew Wilsonturns out that this stat is unequivocally false that the UK did a massive study on this where they went through the department of statistics and they took every marriage which had ever
04:34:22
Andrew Wilsonoccurred in the UK and they found no statistical deviation whatsoever between those in a age Gap relationship and
04:34:30
Brian Atlasthose not when it came to separation and divorce H interesting uh going to Mei so you had a pretty strong reaction to even
04:34:41
Brian Atlaswhen I said said if there were like uh 19 20 21y old women sliding into my DMs I'm 35 um you have strong feelings on the age Gap stuff uh you're 21 correct
04:34:52
Brian Atlasyes I am when did you start your only fans I was 19 mhm well I guess like I mean do you think it's less weird for a 19-year-old to have only fans than for a
04:35:04
Panel (mixed)19-year-old to date a 31y old I mean you are correct on we're both consenting adults but like from a
04:35:14
Brian Atlaspersonal perspective I think it's a it's just weird but that's just me personally but well what about the doing the only fans thing at such an age where I mean
04:35:24
Brian Atlasmen even much older than 31 could very well be consuming your content I don't know if you have analytics on who your only fan subscribers are perhaps you can
04:35:33
Brian Atlasshare I think it ranges from 25 year olds to 50 year olds but so then why is it okay for example for a 19-year-old woman to be
04:35:45
Brian AtlasDistributing pornographic uh photos to these men but she can't have like a loving monogamous relationship with the older man I mean you totally
04:35:56
Panel (mixed)can have one very but it gives you the egg I for me I it's just like a personal thing like I
04:36:06
Andrew WilsonI don't understand why why what a woman a young woman would did an older man or the it sounds well I I think I understand where you're coming from um let me see if I can make sure I
04:36:18
Andrew Wilsoncan make sense of it uh you you're saying the reason it gives you an an the ick is because you think it's a fetishization of older men with younger women right wouldn't you say that a
04:36:30
Andrew Wilsonwoman who's anomalously is an anomaly and is like 6'1 that most of the people who subscribe to her only fans are going to be doing it out of a fetish yeah yeah and that doesn't give
04:36:42
Panel (mixed)you the ick it does but I'm getting paid for it so I don't even care oh so in this particular case if
04:36:53
Andrew Wilsonthe younger woman is with this man based on resources isn't that like she's getting paid for it yeah and I support that yeah I
04:37:04
Brian Atlassupport that right wait oh I have a I have a follow-up question on this um no would you have any issue with a woman who is prostituting herself to a man like actual
04:37:15
Brian Atlasprostitution so sex for money with uh she's 19 he's 35 she's getting money right yeah that
04:37:26
Brian Atlasis where you kind of cross a line well it's sex work right but it's legal assume assuming it's legal let's say this is in Nevada where it is legal in some
04:37:38
Brian Atlasplaces she's in the she lives in the v she's not a prostitute though confirming that it correct and I'm not a it's only some it's only some places uh let's say it's illegal in Germany right you're from Germany I believe in Germany
04:37:51
Brian Atlasprostitution is legal right red light districts Etc um assuming it's illegal any objections or legal excuse
04:38:01
Panel (mixed)me I I guess not like I don't know okay if you are if you're above 18
04:38:13
Andrew Wilsonyou're technically an adult so you can do whatever you want but it's just a personal thing but isn't it basically what you yes but let
04:38:23
Andrew Wilsonus let us remember though that money cancels ick right money cancels itone cancels the formula yeah so the formula here is ick unless money x amount of
04:38:35
Andrew Wilsonmoney no more ick is that is that correct