Brian KICKS OUT Brat?! 2 RAGE QUITS?! Toxic LA E-GIRLS Bankrupt Men (FlNDØM)?! | Dating Talk #195

Date: 2024-09-11

Duration: 8h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie (DT195)>

PPenny (DT195)>

JJiren (DT195)>

EElina (DT195)>

OOxana (DT195)>

LLaura (DT195)>

SSazia (DT195)>

EElora (DT195)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Sazia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jiren(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie/Penny/Gia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Laura(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKylie introduces herself as an 18yo findom creator who has earned ~$200K in 6 months.

QuoteJiren reveals she has been celibate for 4.5 years and is waiting until marriage. She is 24 and has been single for 7 years.

QuoteElina refuses to state her age on-stream, saying only "somewhere between 25 and 35."

OtherGia repeatedly disrupts the show and is asked to leave by Brian and Andrew at ~2:09. She refuses and argues; is threatened with police. Finally exits around 2:35.

OtherSelf-ratings round: Sazia rates herself face 10/body 10; acknowledges men would rate her 5-6. Oxana rates herself face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8. Laura rates body "infinity."

ControversyKylie reveals her ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500 cash, and stole her motorcycle. He has her name tattooed on his neck. Panel notes irony: a findom who financially dominates men was herself victimized financially by her ex.

ControversyFindom-to-bankruptcy moral debate: panel argues findom preys on men with psychological vulnerabilities (addiction, submissive tendencies) and can drive clients to bankruptcy or ruin. Kylie defends that clients consent and choose freely.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves in order. Order: Kylie (18, AZ, findom/TikTok), Penny (18, AZ, findom), Gia (21, CA, ChatterBait/OF), Jiren (24, SF, Masters/celibate), Elina (model/actress, Moldova/LA, age refused), Andrew Wilson (40, The Crucible host), Oxana (46, Sacramento, matchmaker), Laura (37, FL, matchmaker/former model), Sazia (30, Kazakhstan/LA, QA + podcaster), Elora (36, influencer 400K subs).

Findom explained — how it works, income, clients

Kylie and Penny explain findom (financial domination): men pay women to be humiliated and controlled. Kylie earned ~$200K in 6 months; Penny ~$6-7K in 2 months. Clients range from professionals to lonely men. Panel debates ethics, whether it exploits mental illness, and whether findom women can find committed relationships. Andrew Wilson and Brian press on psychological effects on clients.

Narcissism and emotional abuse debate

Discussion of narcissism in relationships, emotional abuse patterns, and identifying manipulative behavior. Guests share personal experiences. Debate on whether findom attracts or creates dependent personalities.

Gia disruption and removal from show

Gia repeatedly interrupts and derails conversation. Brian asks her to stop; she continues. Brian and Andrew ask Gia to leave at ~2:09. She refuses and argues. Threatened with police call; finally exits around 2:35. Discussion follows about entitlement and inability to self-regulate.

Self-ratings round

Each guest rates their own face and body on a 1-10 scale. Notable ratings: Kylie face 9/body 8, Elina face 9/body 8, Oxana face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8, Laura face 8.5/body infinity, Sazia face 10/body 10 (self-acknowledged overestimate). Jiren declines. Discussion of objectivity vs. self-perception.

Dating marketplace and sexual market value (SMV)

Brian and Andrew discuss sexual market value, how women's and men's value changes with age, and how findom intersects with SMV (exploiting lonely/lower-status men). Matchmakers Oxana and Laura provide professional context on what clients seek.

Kylie TikTok review and ex-boyfriend story

Brian reviews Kylie's TikTok content on-stream, showing findom-related posts. Kylie reveals ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500, and stole her motorcycle. Ex has her name tattooed on his neck. Older sister previously appeared on Whatever. Panel reacts to ex's behavior and the irony of a findom being victimized financially.

Findom Twitter/tweets review

Brian and panel review findom-related tweets and social media content from Kylie and others. Includes posts where findom creators mock their clients publicly. Panel reacts to content showing the psychological manipulation involved. Debate on whether public humiliation of paying clients crosses ethical lines.

Findom ethics debate — does it cause harm?

Deep ethical debate: is findom harmful to clients? Does it exploit mental illness (addiction, submissive tendencies)? Kylie and Penny argue clients choose freely. Brian and Andrew argue findom accelerates financial ruin. Matchmakers note they have seen findom victims in their professional work. Discussion of whether findom is different from other sex work.

Matchmaking industry and partner standards

Oxana and Laura discuss the professional matchmaking industry: how clients are vetted, what high-value men and women look for, and common deal-breakers. Laura discusses working with Millionaire Matchmaker / Patty Stanger. Both matchmakers share observations on how dating has changed with apps.

Patriarchy, age gaps, and dating economics

Discussion of traditional gender roles, age gap relationships, and the economics of modern dating. Andrew Wilson provides perspective from The Crucible framework. Matchmakers weigh in on what makes age gap relationships work or fail.

What do you bring to the table

Round-table: each guest articulates their value proposition in a relationship. Findom guests challenged on whether monetizing men is compatible with genuine partnership. Matchmakers discuss what balanced value exchange looks like.

Call to quit findom / closing discussion

Brian and Andrew urge Kylie and Penny to consider leaving findom. Argument: findom will damage ability to form genuine relationships and may attract wrong partner type. Kylie pushes back; Penny more receptive. Show closes with final thoughts from panel.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasseen uh wouldn't it be fair to say that the degree to which you degrade men is orders of magnitude more

Brian Atlasegregious than the way in which you allege I degrade

Brian Atlaswomen oh yeah for sure oh okay well I mean she's self-aware at least wait it's okay what's your objection then it's like I come on the

Brian Atlasshow and sometimes I get a little Huffy Puffy with some of the girls and I'm like well you're not a 10 and then also oh your body counts a bit high and then you're like I'm going to step on your [ __ ] balls

Brian Atlas[ __ ] hold on who's the villain here who's the villain poor old Brian here oh I thought your body counts a bit High dear or

Brian AtlasKylie I'm going to step on your balls and bankrupt you [ __ ] who's the villain

Brian AtlasKylie Kylie I never claimed to be an angel but you're like [ __ ] this [ __ ] this little misogynist incel podcast

Brian Atlaswith their [ __ ] shaming and their [ __ ] ins I agree with [ __ ]

Kylie/Penny/Giashaming oh yeah I do huh h Huh for men and women

Kylie/Penny/Giaoh why is that why do you agree with [ __ ] shaming Kylie well I I mean this is just my personal opinion but I think oh sorry sorry go ahead go ahead you

Kylie/Penny/Giathink I think people that have a super high body count and they lost their meaning of sex and instead of it being something you do with someone you love and care about it's more of just like a pleasure like get off in the moment I

Brian Atlasfeel like those people are more likely to cheat h I don't know just that's actually that's an astute observation so I mean they've actually done research on this KY you're 100% right uh so they

Brian Atlasthey look when it comes to infidelity yeah uh so the more the more sexual partner someone has had the more likely they are to cheat on you MH um now it's not saying everybody who has a high body

Brian Atlascount will cheat on you but it's more likely right yeah those are facts facts can't can't disagree with Kylie here um so you think we should [ __ ] shame then

Brian Atlasfor everyone men and women sure I can get behind that yes we should but you you're one of your criticisms was Brian

Brian Atlasyou like to [ __ ] shame the women but you also you're like yes we should SL shame the women Kylie me and Kylie agree on everything apparently yeah we do we agree on

Brian Atlaseverything I guess um okay I want to hear Kylie I want you to [ __ ] shame all the women at the table right now go

Kylie/Penny/Giaahead call them all [ __ ] just kidding my god do it Kylie well I don't know if they are so I can't just assume just

Kylie/Penny/Giaassume yeah [ __ ] you disgusting por bag you open your legs for anyone you're disgusting go get tested that's how we should can you here I won't have the you do the rest what's

Andrew Wilsonreally funny is like you you you think she's kidding right you think she's kidding it's like you know though you know behind the eyes she means that [ __ ] you know it she means that [ __ ] she not

Andrew Wilsonthough definitely not we have the same body count you're a [ __ ] liar you're [ __ ] when you're your boyfriend you'll see year that's another thing uh

Brian Atlaslast thing Kylie can you [ __ ] shame Ana here she needs to be taken down a peg cuz she said she was like infinite infinity infinity I think an cute no just [ __ ]

Kylie/Penny/Giasham her goe no she loves her boyfriend shame her come on do it she can't be do you give her permission to [ __ ] shame you no

Brian Atlasana ana that's her boyfriend she can't be a slug I mean you could still be a slug all right now uh now we're going to get into the other tweets there's a lot of

Kylie/Penny/Giatweets just don't take it all too seriously guys I'm just warning you well we also have your tweets too me y

Brian Atlasso I think those are the first ones actually those are the first ones by the way Kylie uh wait hold on no it's all good uh I actually remember your sister

Brian Atlascame on you guys have it's interesting you guys have very similar mannerisms like just uh like the way you laugh it's kind of very similar to your

Brian Atlassister it's interesting I mean it makes sense right you guys are related next uh pulled up all right so this is uh

Kylie/Penny/GiaPenny right yeah [ __ ] M wait you have to read it oh my God say it say like you me and then uh [ __ ] mad because of a couple simple facts I'm prettier than

Brian Atlasthem funnier than them smarter than them and skinnier than them kissy face word okay uh by the way uh for the whole panel we have like a ton of these

Brian Atlaswe got to react to so we can't stay uh we can't get uh dug in too much on any singular tweet we kind of have to like rapid fire them cuz

Kylie/Penny/Giathere's there's a lot of tweets okay all right go ahead so basically oh sorry oh actually I wasn't I was just going to go to the next tweet you know unless unless you had like really quick you no that's

Andrew Wilsonjust like the whole findom thing like nothing is that for women you fum women too have you wait so you're laring you're laring

Andrew WilsonDefine laring live action role playay you're uh you're not being serious you're leaning into the idea of the fom but that's not really you you're just laring yes I don't know if I believe it

Kylie/Penny/Giathough I would say it's like an OV exaggeration it was that and a hate account that face towards the hate account oh could you uh maybe scoon to the table just a little bit so we can

Brian Atlasget you closer to the mic okay no I think yeah okay uh Nick can you pull it up next ones uh we're gonna have to zoom out a little

Kylie/Penny/Giabit on this so you have to read all these too M just gross me out it's a video you want to play it are you saying anything in the video or is it just like no it's just a Tik Tok it's

Kylie/Penny/Giaa Tik Tok me it's like music okay all right uh men gross you out well yeah these men does Nick gr does Nick gross you

Kylie/Penny/Giaout sorry Nick no would you I'm speaking to the subs to the beta males the beta males oh okay the beta

Kylie/Penny/Giamales all right next next tweet can you read it you pathetic man keep buying me things I'm worth your whole paycheck

Brian Atlasloser yes but uh damn that's brutal man that's brutal okay next

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Kylie/Penny/Giawhat oh uh can you read it please white man should have never been put on this Earth what don't take anything serious I'm

Saziatelling you this is all what they want to hear I don't like that kind of talk

Kylie/Penny/Giauh why wait why so why though because they love like they just race play is a really big thing on

Brian Atlasthere but you believe that [ __ ] right no nothing aren't you like half white well yeah I am I would is your dad black or is he

Andrew Wilsonwhite dgs yeah he's like fully Jamaican Jamaican okay so you'd still be alive then cuz he's no what do you mean she'd

TTS Readerstill be alive she wouldn't have a mom right no I think she said white men oh yeah I said she said white men so so white women okay I don't believe you could be a white

TTS Reader$200 cheers to Nick and big Desi for keeping it locked down BTS may we always be happy and may our enemies always know it cheers fellas yo

Brian AtlasJay ekin thank you for the uh 200 uh really appreciate it man thank you thank you and uh yeah thank you man appreciate it uh let's see here what

Kylie/Penny/Giathe uh okay thank you bro let's go back to the uh tweets poor favore I'll have you read them skinny men aren't real fat men

Kylie/Penny/Giaaren't real they can't exist do you see how pathetic they

Kylie/Penny/Giaare [ __ ] posting I haven't even seen those really no I don't go on I don't remember them can I can I just uh point out to

Brian Atlasyou something Brian is Brian nearby is he coming back uh a he seems busy tonight uh yes uh yeah Andrew uh I I'm

Andrew Wilsonhere uh how can I what's up I just wanted to point out Brian that no see if Mom's white then mom had Parents right

Brian Atlasand one of them must have been a white man right yeah I I see I see what you're saying but I was thinking more just like one generation I was thinking it was a one generation thing obviously you know

Brian Atlaslike she was talking one generation yeah but you're right she wouldn't I was just I I wasn't thinking that deep

Brian AtlasAndrew I wasn't either but you did defeat me you used your amazing debate skills to just [ __ ] btfo me I got [ __ ] smoked he destroyed I didn't cat it whatever that

Brian Atlascaught it whatever Andrew I concede I resign my position in fact if you want to learn Andrew just [ __ ] just [ __ ] smoked me if you want to learn to do what Andrew just did

Brian Atlasto me you got to get the course debate you go to debate university.com you want to become a master debater like Andrew you got to go to debate university.com

Brian Atlasand get his course verb combat okay 80 plus videos wow it's like is it Andrew it's 6 hours of about 6 hours of content right yep and more is

Brian Atlasgoing to get released soon there's going to be more there's going to be more and it's guys seriously guys Andrew is arguably he is the best debater of our

Brian Atlastime possibly he he is possibly the I think it's a bit too much glazing never mind um he's very good though he's great he's fantastic he's fantastic he could he could have smoked Andrew who are some like Greek Debaters like back in the day

Brian Atlaslike BC like who were like the good soes Plato Andrew do you think you would like

Andrew Wilsonsmoke Socrates no Plato no epic epicus Titus about Aristotle you should have gone with Aristotle Aristotle would you like I think I could have beaten

Brian AtlasAristotle yeah do you think there's G to be like time travel in the future Andrew like could we like set up a debate between like you and like somebody or what do you think well no Time time travel is not really

Andrew Wilsonlogical so I don't think so yeah I see all right I'm just you that whole you have that whole grandfather Paradox thing you know like what happens if you travel back in time and then shoot

Brian Atlasyourself just before you build the time machine like what happens yeah it's like creates paradoxes this happened in Dragon Ball Z where like Trunks and stuff like he went back to the future but it was like a

Brian Atlasdifferent like because of the Androids and [ __ ] like the Androids like 17 and 18 like these two right here hold on these two like [ __ ] up like

Brian Atlastrunks's timeline and [ __ ] so he like went back and um he tried to like change it but then like his original timeline

Andrew Wilsonwas still like didn't do anything and then like cell came and [ __ ] it was very complicated yeah but I mean I feel like when he took Frieza out with that big

Andrew Wilsonsword that that was uh one of the best parts of dvz to be honest with you yeah we you just cut Frieza in half for no particularly good reason I didn't see that coming you know what I mean I've

Andrew Wilsongone through hours of blank stairs as they just kind of looked at each other for you know to 15 minutes of filler per episode and then yeah that that hit me I I wasn't expecting that for uh like

Brian Atlasladies would you would you date a guy who um who's like watched all the way from like the saian Saga all the way to like through the like the boo Saga like and

Brian Atlashe watches it like once like like at least once a year I don't know what that is yeah M guys are hot would you guys date like a guy who just curious okay anyways so back to the tweets I'm sorry

Brian AtlasI'm sorry sorry sorry how do I get so distract men are dis wait you read it men are disgusting

Brian Atlasbro Haram let's spin them for you Haram Haram wait what do you think of white people I love them I love what about white men white men I love them white

Kylie/Penny/Giamen you love them love them you're just saying that no your Tweet say otherwise tweets are tweets okay fom is fom I'm in I'm my all right next tweet I don't believe

Brian Atlasthat you worship me knowing I'll always hate you my car oh my God damn okay next your makeup looks really good we'll try to get through these uh what read it $5

Kylie/Penny/Giaif you agree shortman have no purpose on this earth oh my God no hate no hate but that's what I

Brian Atlas[Music] say Do you believe it no of course not I don't buy it I don't buy it because I'm pretty sure one of you tweeted like I every all of these tweets I mean all of

Brian Atlasthem not none of them are sarcastic none of them are ironic it's my 100% deeply beliefs I'm pretty sure both of you tweeted that and pinned it on Twitter profile I did just kidding about

Kylie/Penny/Giathat last part uh next one please next one poor F just make another sis or just made another [ __ ] going today you're welcome now the the these are the interesting

Brian Atlasones because I don't think you're joking about this one right he had to stop talking to me for a little bit because you didn't have enough money and so and Andrew I'm going to want you to come in

Brian Atlason this one here just but a couple questions and Andrew I don't know if you recall we've actually explored this with another girl before this whole like bankrupt try to bankrupt the guy basically so I'll get you in here in

Brian Atlasjust a sec um have both of you um when it comes to the Thom thing have you like put a guy into like debt where he's in financial worry or what what have you guys

Kylie/Penny/Giadone yes but also a lot of the guys have this own fantasy in their head it's not always true like sometimes they'll pretend like they have a girlfriend and as if they're cheating on her or they'll pretend like they max out their whole credit card and pretend like they're

Kylie/Penny/Giagoing to be late on rent cuz that's like the turn on for them even though it's not really true could happen I guess I'll never know but so have you ever bankrupted a guy I mean I've been told that they

Kylie/Penny/Giarelate on rent because of me so yeah mhm so he could have been homeless this one dude sent me a screenshot of his bank account it was like negative $300 he he uh what is it overdrafted and then the

Brian Atlasother question uh uh knowing like if I know you said some of these guys maybe they're like doing a role like kind of a role play where they're not being honest but

Brian Atlasassuming they are honest um would you have any qualms like if it CU I mean Financial insecurity or being broke going homeless going into

Brian Atlasdebt having to go through bankruptcy uh I guess these things are are pretty bad things for somebody yeah uh would there be a line for for either

Brian Atlasof you here's this guy he's paying you $1,000 $2,000 a month but he's also simultaneously telling you as part of

Brian Atlashis Kink that he's he is going to be evicted he's going to have debt he's going to be bankrupted uh would you but he still

Kylie/Penny/Giawants to keep sending you money would you stop him no it's his own free will another thing about fom is I had a guy tell me his concerns like that before and I like sat

Kylie/Penny/Giaon a phone call with him cuz he was actually just crying to me that sorry crying to me that he couldn't stop sending money to girls on the internet so I called him and we went over like how much he made I gave him a budget for

Kylie/Penny/Giaeverything so when he gets paid it just like he sends it all directly to me and then I send back the money for like his rent and food and everything so but I mean no in the scenario I

Andrew Wilsonprovided would you keep going wait wait wait a second what he call you talk to him on the phone and he sends his entire paycheck to you and then you send him enough to pay his rent

Brian Atlasyes wait so to my question though in the scen in the scenario I provided to you would you keep going if they said they were getting

Brian Atlasevicted all the way to bankruptcy yes he gave you all his money yes and knowing if you knew that this would lead to them being homeless would you keep

Kylie/Penny/Giagoing it's like an awkward question CU I'll never really know well let's assume you do in this hypothetical really happy I they'll be happy and homeless maybe okay sure if he doesn't stop him but

Kylie/Penny/Giawould you keep do you if I knew them as like a real person and they're one of your pay pigs I know but if I knew them let's say in real life I had some like eye into their world and I they were actually going homeless I wouldn't I don't need the money that bad that I

Andrew Wilsonwould like do that to just one person when there's other pay pigs that can compensate for what if there weren't other pay pigs in just this

Kylie/Penny/Giaone still I don't need the money that

Brian Atlasbad not sure I believe you but um can I ask you this this sort of similar question let's say somebody had a self harm Kink and they wanted you to bully

Kylie/Penny/Giathem and to the point where they eventually would uh delete themselves no I've had and they would pay you money to do this no I've had guys DM me about

Brian Atlasthat I think that's so uncomfortable and weird sickening to me but so where why are do you have objections to that sort of harm but you I mean you would be

Brian Atlasharming them financially by continuing to accept their money to the point of uh eviction homelessness bankruptcy they can't pay for their medical

Kylie/Penny/Giabills I know it's not the same but there is a harm that's occurring to them so what's the difference I mean like I said I never

Kylie/Penny/Giareally know for sure what's going on if that is actually happening or if they're just lying that's part of their fantasy but don't the these men tell you like I

Brian Atlasmight be it's it turns me on I might be evicted turns me on that might you might bankrupt me if you want going to be honest no this is like Twitter is not

Laurareal to me I honestly don't even see these guys I don't okay I mean can I I don't know if I believe you but I I I mean I agree with you Brian I you know

Laurabut it's not the same so I just want to start saying it's not the same but I think like these guys it's an addiction it's the same if you're like and not the same okay it's similar if you're an addicted Gambler like they're going to

Laurakeep spending money they're going to go completely bankrupt are the casinos going to close their doors like no like it's It's a cruel world I mean I don't know what to say like I there's going to be other women if they won't do it I mean I understand your line of

Lauraquestioning and I don't agree with what they do but it's sort of it's an addiction and the guys need to go get help as addicts as well it's it's like a dual blame in my opinion that's actually

Brian Atlasa good argument I'm not sure if I immediately have a rebuttal to the casino comparison here uh there could be people lose their life savings cuz they're such addicted gamblers like they need to go to therapy we don't blame the

Brian Atlascasino this is actually a decent argument I'm sure there's actually a rebuttal to it but it's not occurring to me immediately um there maybe there's a component of like there's a more it's

Brian Atlasmore personal yeah the comparison is they're humans they should have empathy actually I I do have a bit of a rebuttal maybe Andrew can join in so the

Brian Atlascasino is not going to be privy to the fact that the individual is nearing bankruptcy because this individual is not likely to make

Brian Atlasdisclosures uh to the casino by the way I'm going bankrupt they're not going to this is not something that's going to be communicated to the casino the casino has on probably not but the casino has

Brian Atlasno way of vetting for this the casino know is a sort of faceless Corporation there's dozens hundreds thousands of employees there's layers to it whereas

Brian Atlasthis is a very uh very like immediate connection and the men are making disclosures to the individual woman that

Brian AtlasI am going bankrupt so the the woman has become now aware of the circumstances of the man and does she have a Duty or responsibility to

Brian Atlasuh for example I'll actually give you a counter example a bartender who is aware that a patron is an alcoholic reaching the point of intoxication to such a

Brian Atlasdegree that he is at a harm of himself I think there's actually criminal potential criminal civil liability for a bartender who continues to pour poor

Brian Atlaspoor while this person is essentially uh arriving towards uh arriving towards alcohol poisoning and I do think maybe

Brian AtlasAndrew do you know about there's like cases where uh if a if a p uh a drinker Patron at the bar gets a DUI and it can be proven that the like

Brian Atlasthe I think I feel like I've heard something like this I could be making this up but they could the bartender could maybe even be held liable in some

Andrew Wilsondegree Andrew any you want sense I think that that's um that's based on locality State you know different uh different ious laws I I understand what you're saying that if bartender continues to

Andrew Wilsonserve you when you're drunk they could be held liable that's true but there's also all sorts of laws which uh in different states exempt them from liability but here here's the thing

Andrew Wilsonultimately Brian like I'm thinking about this right the more the more that we talk with these like femdoms and you know what Brian [ __ ] it I'm just going to so The Crucible has gone dark okay so

Andrew Wilsonit is now the dark Crucible and I'm on my [ __ ] degenerate Arc and so here's what we're going to do if any of you stupid [ __ ] out there want to send me all of your [ __ ] money if you want to

Andrew Wilsonsend me all of your [ __ ] money to treat you like [ __ ] go ahead go ahead and if you want to send all your money to Brian to treat you like [ __ ] just go ahead and do it just go

Brian Atlasahead yes that's awesome I I will I will do

Kylie/Penny/Giafindom I will do findom can I fendom you Kylie um I decline that

Brian Atlasoffer is it because I'm white racist racist over here all right um I okay um I guess we'll do next tweet I

Elinaguess oh my God I did want to add something about the casinos though oh wait Andrew I mean kind of going oh go ahead Casino yeah I did want to add something about the casinos I worked in

Elinaa casino um and they did have people they they're when they're boring money from the casino to gamble because they couldn't pay back when they couldn't pay back they'll be cut off so they did have

Elinathe same thing and they also good I didn't know that and they're also telling Blackjack dealers or anyone if you see someone coming back over and over again over over gambling you have

Brian Atlasto let know the security guard so to stop them well one one thing on that so so I don't Gamble so I'm I don't think I've even ever gambled so I'm not really familiar at all with how casinos work

Brian Atlasbut uh you said that they if if somebody's borrowing money from the casino they'll cut them off yeah but is it this is this because of compassion for the individual

Brian Atlasor is it because we now recognize as a as a uh company that if we allow this person to borrow too much the likelihood that they'll ever be able to pay it back

Brian Atlasso there there's just like an arbitrary we only allow people to to borrow 5,000 1,000 whatever it is so I don't know if it's like out of some sort of compassion

Brian Atlasas it just like it's to protect the bottom line protect the casino from not uh because they might not be able to get the money back an easier defeater for

Andrew Wilsonthe argument the defeater is just that the casino casino and gambling dens are not purposely banking on their clientele being mentally ill so casinos are going

Andrew Wilsonto make money maximum money by you being able to continuously create money for yourself generate revenue for yourself so then you could then give a small portion of it to the casino so the more mentally stable you are the better off

Andrew Wilsonthe casino actually is most people only gamble recreationally very few of them get addicted in the case of foming uh the mental illness aspect I

Andrew Wilsonthink is just kind of baked in the idea here that men would want to purposely uh be degraded abused and uh you know have the ball stepped on things like this uh

Andrew Wilsonthat that seems like that is the banking demographic

Oxanaright yep take it away oh gosh yeah casinos they also like since we started talking

Oxanaabout casinos they supposed to uh like if the person in Gambler Anonymous in G they supposed to uh kick this person out of the casino if they put them

Oxanathemselves I tested myself I am n g in Gamblers Anonymous uh I put my name I called the casinos put my name on the list they didn't care oh really they

Lauradidn't care no I'm just saying there's some personal responsibility if you are an addict just like we talked about the bartender and the alcohol we're talking about the C we're talking about them yes there is a mental illness component is

Lauraaddiction to mental illness I I don't know but you know it's addiction so there like there is responsibility for both parties is really all I'm saying with that argument that both parties have the responsibility to stop it both

Andrew Wilsonparties I agree that when it comes to addicts that addicts have to also help themselves Absolut what I'm saying is that the purpose of the den itself is not to create addicts it's just to make

Andrew Wilsonmoney uh giving a recreational activity it's not designed to create attics I would say for instance a tobacco company they actually design a product to create addicts right their product is designed

Andrew Wilsonspecifically for that for casinos that's not actually a really good model right they don't want addicts they want people to um instead be making money to give a portion to them if they become destitute

Laurathey can't continue to do that well The House Always Wins and I have heard that casinos do certain things especially in Vegas they'll pump the air in the casino like full of more oxygen to keep people

Lauraawake longer and keep them up and keep them addicted and keep them going to not know what time is what is that that's like manipul just okay but but uh comedy clubs and all

Andrew Wilsonsorts of entertainment venues will do uh all sorts of tricks like that too like hiding clocks and various things the idea here being that the more fun you're having the more money you're going to

Andrew Wilsonspend that's true but the idea there is not to get you destitute the casino would look at this long term they'd say it's much better for you to come in once a month and spend $2,000 then one time

Andrew Wilsonin a month and spend $25,000 and then become destitute because then longterm will'll make less money off of you so that's not their intention to do whereas

Andrew WilsonI think with a kind of a thing like this the Target demographic are going to be the mentally ill I mean I don't see two ways around that I think most of these

Elinamen are going to be uh highly irregular in society and for sure the casinos do Allure you if you the more money you spend you start getting hotel rooms

Andrew Wilsonprivate jet flights to Vegas now that's usually if you win right no no that's that's if you give them money them money yeah you can get points and things like that right if you you call

Andrew Wilsonyou're called a high roller but the idea there too is just to keep you at their Casino versus going to another to spend your money not to make you destitute so you can't continue to spend money it's why would that make uh sense from a

Andrew Wilsoncasino standpoint to make you destitute that they would prefer that you're not they would prefer that you just drop money every single month so over the long term they make the maximum amount right it's just good

Andrew Wilsonbusiness word I don't think the femdoms want their clients destitute either they want them to keep sping well no it's baked into the pie right so what's baked into the pie is like we'll never know if

TTS Readerthe things that we do to you actually do make DED you're so [ __ ] donated $200 live from Vegas here casinos in Vegas are Resorts they have food

TTS Readerentertainment Etc they want you to have a good time Cash Out machine prominently share gambling addiction help resources that's good that's I don't know if this came up yeah but but the but the idea

Andrew Wilsonhere just real quick to get back to this is no from the femdon perspective the bankruptcy could be part of the Kink the you know you hurting me financially is

Andrew Wilsonthe king they it's baked in there that they're not supposed to have any regard for that they're supposed to be doing that if that's what the customer wants

Andrew Wilsonright so no I I think it's a completely compe or non-competitive model the idea that you can just make your customer go destitute um I I think that that's a

Andrew Wilsonvery predatory behavior honestly also don't they like free drinks that's kind of a little yeah but the free the idea behind the free drink is when you're drunk

Andrew Wilsonyou're having fun the whole idea is fun right so if you're an entertainment and Brian you're in entertainment so you know this when people are having a lot of fun they like to spend money when they're not having fun they don't like

Andrew Wilsonspending money right uh that's that's it but you would not want any of your customers in this case you're the product whatever is the product you would not want any of your super Chatters to go destitute super chatting

Andrew Wilsonyou and not just because you're a good person who would not ever want to see somebody go destitute uh by becoming obsessed with super chats but also because even from the business standpoint that would be [ __ ] stupid

Andrew Wilsonhow could they send in more Super chats if they're destitute and can no longer take care of their you know family obligations and this type of thing to make more money to Super Chat you right like that make would make no sense

Brian Atlasultimately no it's true it's true and I mean I only want people to support if they heck can and they have the means so one of them said that they were like

Andrew Wilsongoing bankrupt and would you cut them off from donating oh absolutely I've said actually sent back um I've actually sent people back who were like oh this last 10 bucks but I want to support your

Brian Atlaschannel like send it back to them okay good I like that um let's Nick can we go back to uh tweets let's we got that's not a good policy obviously because people can troll you and I don't think I'd ever do it again right because there

Andrew Wilsoncould be people who are like well you know they're just like trolling you to make you pay a fee or whatever so but um but yeah you know stupid me right I uh I just have this whole issue with uh not

Andrew Wilsonwanting to see people actually get in any way damaged by the things that I do it's integrity and Karma so I'm glad you guys do that well I don't care about the karma aspect that's all [ __ ] but I do care about the Integrity aspect

Brian Atlaswhatever you care about uh scroll back up Nick just so we can see uh can you read them could use a human astray right now have you ever have you ever used somebody as a human ashtray no never you

Brian Atlasnever put a cigarette out on it does sound fun but no have have you ever used a not yet you're maybe one day you you'd hope to

Brian Atlasokay next you maxed out your credit card on me okay has a guy ever maxed out his credit

Kylie/Penny/Giacard on you not sure probably yeah okay okay

Kylie/Penny/Gianext you're welcome for making your bank account negative so he bought you a bunch of food and yeah you made his uh bank account negative

Brian Atlasyeah okay next you wish oh this is you scroll down standing on a dude yeah one of my guy

Kylie/Penny/Giafriends when did that happen why you let that happen he was just chilling is that one of the pay pigs no he's my friend you just stand on

Kylie/Penny/Giayeah it's all funny games it's all

Unknownfunny you a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar you if a payeg said I'll give you $1,000 for you to stomp on me you wouldn't do it oh yeah I would oh okay

Kylie/Penny/Giaall right as long as we're on the same page next yeah does it ever occur to you that you'll always be a miserable broke pathetic and ugly specimen

Brian Atlasyou look faded do I probably am okay uh

Kylie/Penny/Gianext what do you tell your wife when she asks where all your money is going you crazy picture oh that is sad do you have a lot

Kylie/Penny/Giaof customers who are married probably H okay now next [ __ ] all you bum broke losers now

Brian Atlassend me your savings all the savings oh yeah you did say you would bankrupt a guy um that's right uh okay

Kylie/Penny/Gianext give me all your money right now Brokey boy all the all the money okay next give me all your money always be perfect and always be an ugly

Brian AtlasPig are these all going to be mine cuz hers are way worse yeah we got more we got more okay okay yes simps love oh you read just read it

Kylie/Penny/Giaif it's your simps love taking me and my friends shopping it's the video that you already saw oh we already saw this one okay yeah we already saw that one all right simps yep breaking those breaking

Lauralike your bank account damn ask question yes I mean you girl you girls are young you're 18 but how long do you intend to

Laurado this and do you have a long-term career plan like do you have a passion do you have something I mean clearly this hopefully this is not your passion in life this is not what set your sets your soul on fire and hopefully it's not

Laurayour purpose like what is your long-term plan or do you even have one TTS is 100 by the way go ahead um I'm not planning on doing it for that long

Kylie/Penny/Giaand um my end goal would probably be something like in real estate or

Brian Atlascosmetology something like that okay I was going to say that okay um can I ask you guys I mean there's a lot of stuff to get to just a quick

Brian Atlasthought Here Andrew has said this before I mean it's well it's been said before even Andrew uh it's from the Bible uh for what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his

Brian Atlassoul does that resonate with you guys at all I'm not religious well even if you're not religious could even something that's found in a religious text could there be

Brian Atlastruth to it even if you don't believe believe in the religion for what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his

Andrew Wilsonsoul are you relating that to how this affects us as as a person no no the well the idea here is just you can have all the material gain in the world but if

Andrew Wilsonit's at the expense of the thing that makes you you in this case your soul if it corrupts the very thing that makes you the person that you are then who cares about all the material things you

Lauragain at it at its expense right that's the idea like do you guys ever feel bad do you ever go to sleep at night and feel

Kylie/Penny/Gialike guilty and bad for how you talk to these guys do you ever like I mean I mean at first when I first started doing it but oh eventually I

Kylie/Penny/Giarealized they choose to do this this is what they want they're grown men and they have done their own research and found out all these different kind of possible Kinks that they could have and

Laurathis was what they went with so but your initial reaction was empathy and feeling bad do you think that you just got jaded over time

Kylie/Penny/GiaI mean no because I didn't think too hard about how they got off to it it was just like an initial saying something mean to someone else you would think

Laurathat they are hurt by it but they're not don't you feel like icky talking to them like that though like you personally don't you feel like shitty for talking to people like that no no not at all

Laurawell Laura Laura would you agree though that you need to have a soul in order to lose it absolutely that's what I'm saying she initially felt guilty so it's it's like she lost her empathy I sold my soul

Laurayes no daughters still no daughters terrifying yeah but Sons will

Lauramarry so deal I'm going to screen those girls okay like so yeah that's scary too hopefully they choose

Brian Atlasright they can watch this podcast for Education actually I I have another quote related to Andrew am I selling My Soul by doing this podcast or or is this

Andrew Wilsonon the up and up no the idea the I mean the idea here is just that you will at the expense of morality uh do things for material gain

Andrew Wilsonthat's just the idea that's the very idea of the quote is just that you'll compromise all of your it's called The fian Bargain there's a great play that was that was written about this very thing the idea was uh that you would be

Andrew Wilsonwilling to sell your soul for materialism and once you do that you can't get the very thing back so it's it's like that old adage Dave Ramsey used to always say that a man will spend his entire Health to gain wealth and

Andrew Wilsonthen spend all of his wealth to get his health back right it's just how we value things we make these value assessments and we [ __ ] them up and when you're young you [ __ ] them up worse because you feel like you're invincible and Immortal you never think that age will catch up

Andrew Wilsonwith you you're going to be the one who does doesn't age you're going to be the one who never gets older you're going to be the one that that never happens to and it happens to everybody and unfortunately most people compromise

Lauratheir values in exchange for materialism that's modernity right um I have a a best friend actually and a couple years ago I mean my friends come to me for relationship advice quite

Lauraoften so I only know about like what fem on it is when they first said it because my friend came to me and she said started seeing this guy and he literally

Laurahas this weird fetish he told me after a month or so and she was showing me the text and like it's like it just was graphic funny

Laurasad like he was like he wanted her he sent her like a picture and he was like tell me it's so small you can't even use it like it was so sad and she was just like she said she felt like [ __ ] inside she was like I can't do this anymore

Lauralike he sent me like so much money but I feel like crap what should I do and I'm like you should stop absolutely if you feel like crap then it's not like tell him you're not the girl for him you know and she was like yeah like it's hard

Laurabecause he is giving me money and I'm trying but like I can't like sleep at night and I was like if you can't sleep at night you should stop wait Andre I got a question for you

Andrew Wilsonyeah I didn't I didn't really mean to make it into like um like a a virtue signal thing I'm not saying you're virtue signaling I'm just saying the I'm just trying to explain kind of what the principle is right that every I think

Andrew Wilsoneverybody for the most part at least in the west is going to come to various Crossroads of choice where they'll have the choice in which they can compromise the very belief structure that they have

Andrew Wilsonin exchange for some type of material possession that they desire and unfortunately I think in modernity most people will compromise that that morality for that material possession I

Andrew Wilsonthink that that is far more common than not and I think in mity that women suffer from this far more than men which is why I consider men to be more virtuous than women it's not because because I hate women or think that women

Andrew Wilsonbad I think that they're wired towards security and because of that it's far easier to compromise them when it comes to an exchange of morality for material possession if you want proof of this see

Andrew WilsonEve in the Bible then you'll understand where I come to this conclusion so just saying I have a quote for you Andrew I have a quote for you and I want want want to know if it if this impacts you

Brian Atlasbecause sometimes I think about this quote and I'm like yeah okay so whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster

Andrew Wilsonand if you gaze long enough into an abyss the abyss will gaze back into you yeah so that's modern modern Western philosophy stolen from easterners who don't understand the distinction between

Andrew WilsonEssence and energy but the thing is is that no you st in the abyss long enough or you dance the other way to say this you Dance with the Devil the devil CH doesn't change devil changes you this is actually antithetical to Christian

Andrew Wilsonethics the idea in Christian ethics being that you're always staring down at the abyss and your jobs to convert the world while you're staring down it so no I reject this uh kind of quote sarily um

Andrew Wilsonanother way you could say this I've heard it said as the be careful that the shadow you chase is not the one that you cast meaning be careful the thing you're going after is not the very thing that you are um but I think I think that the

Andrew Wilsononly thing that you can do right I prefer this right I would say it this way stare into the abyss and [ __ ] them right [ __ ] these bastards the truth is is that you should absolutely stare them

Andrew Wilsondown hold your ground and not take a single step back ever not ever and uh I think that that those quotes are essentially cope they're just trying to

Andrew Wilsontell you to Sid step the issues which are in front of you in order to try to safeguard yourself from falling prey to the same types of Vice however I think that you could be effective and not fall

Brian Atlasprey to them the way I interpret that last quote though isn't so much like to run from a fight it's more so if you're involved in a certain uh if you're

Brian Atlasengaged with something uh this thing has the capacity to scar you in some way so as to damage you yeah that's everything that's the

Andrew Wilsonproblem with it right is there there's no singular activity that you can fall into that doesn't have that capacity think of something as simple as eating ice cream but if you eat too much ice cream has the potential to scar you same

Andrew Wilsonthing play the guitar but if you play the guitar too much right it has the potentiality to consume you this is just Bas a basic truth about almost any activity that you can engage in and so I

Andrew Wilsonthink that the opposite is true I think that the abyss is the thing we're always all staring into and the trick is to just not get sucked into it regardless of that okay uh let's let's get through

Brian Atlasthe tweets if we can [Laughter] uh read it please it should be your head in the

TTS Readertoilet brah Roth PSA donated $100 Brian willing to sell your lint roller for financial gain what are

TTS Readerlimits people should go to in order to excel is it only built on reputation professionalism and hard work where's your Prada

Brian Atlasbag I'll I'll sell the Lim roller I'm also selling Kiki back there for a Bitcoin bitcoin's at an all-time low so if you want to buy

Brian AtlasKiki I will sell Kiki for a Bitcoin if anybody's interested I'm also has Kiki been used though Brian her chassity is intact

Brian AtlasAndrew don't worry she can go to uh chasty intact she's a virgin she's a Virgin uh all right next next

Brian Atlasone head should be in the toilet though okay oh uh oh this is you can you read it please yeah relax oh into the mic into the mic relaxing on wait put it back put it back

Kylie/Penny/GiaNick go ahead relaxing on my human foot stol in a mansion while draining losers online right now my life is

Kylie/Penny/Giaperfect now next the silence have be I'm in a mansion while you lose just send me your last

Kylie/Penny/Giadoll disavow next I'm just an 18-year-old girl partying in a mansion while old men work for me I can't believe this is my life scroll down a bit okay

Kylie/Penny/Gianext you [ __ ] are [ __ ] if you think I'm not worth your whole bank account I Mayan look at me scroll down is this a video play the video I guess why [ __ ] it play it mute it play it

Brian Atlas[Music] [ __ ] definitely wasn't muted okay okay scroll back up again not if you think I'm not worth

Brian Atlasyour whole bank account chat is she worth your whole bank account yes I mean look at her okay

Kylie/Penny/Gianext solid eye roll by the way I see everything thing ugly make it smaller please ugly girls have to work hard for minimum wage while I post a selfie and

Kylie/Penny/Giamake their paycheck in a day life is so unfair sad emoji okay it directed towards someone H

Kylie/Penny/Gianext actually just make it bigger then keep it yeah 6K in a week for being pretty send me more worms

Brian Atlasyou made 6K in a week yeah life on easy mode damn 18 6K in a week life on easy mode bro do you do you think you have life on

TTS Readereasy mode right now right now what do you mean when you get when you get older is it going to change or definitely okay I mean it's not consistent St chroman donated

TTS Reader$100 you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the Vilan Harvey Dent The Dark Knight 2008 look you either have original [ __ ]

Brian Atlasto say or you quote The Dark Knight right that's uh uh sto Roman thank you for the TTS man really really appreciate it good movie by the way good movie good

Brian Atlasmovie Next poor favor bow down and give me all of your cash all the cash all of it okay next every bill

Brian Atlasboys that shut the [ __ ] up and do whatever I say wow this is really that's really toxic of you Kylie so toxic see look she wants me to

Kylie/Penny/Giashut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up Good Times next pretty pink God is ready to drain

Brian Atlasall your money scroll down a bit okay

Kylie/Penny/Gianext I don't know why your losers think you can D me DM me without paying there's a tribute you have to pay before dming

Brian Atlasmhm next oh that's it how much does a guy have to pay you for a DM 30 dollars okay Nick if you can pull up the

Brian Atlasother ones too but uh you can X Out of all those I I guess uh uh let's see

Brian Atlaslet's get into some other pre-show notes Here we have uh so let's

Brian Atlassee uh one sec guys sorry I'm just getting caught up here she's off she's not at the table right now okay I'll just go to k Kai

Brian Atlasthen uh Kai yes my first ex cheated and got DV charges this is new is this the one that oh this was my first one oh this is a different guy yeah

Brian Atlasyeah H okay on you or somebody else like he cheated on me no the DV charges was it on on you or somebody else yes on you

Brian Atlaswere you smacking him around too or was it one like one way um well I was trying to get him off of me and I lost the fight so okay uh also your second

Brian Atlassheated robbed you we talked about that uh you have a debt contract what's that a debt contract in what context you have a debt contract it's on your link

Kylie/Penny/Giatree oh yes okay so um guys will sign up for a certain amount of money they want to be in debt to me for they choose the time they want to pay it off and then they choose how

Kylie/Penny/Giamuch they're going to send me weekly mhm um some of these guys like to be blackmailed so they will send me personal information like their wife's

Kylie/Penny/Giaphone number their kids all of that I've never actually had to blackmail anyone but it's just like they get off to the thought of being threatened with it it's really

Kylie/Penny/Giaweird that's that's crazy yeah isn't that just like mental illness at that point that's why I don't really like to

Kylie/Penny/Giaadd the blackmail part into it but you said they do it's too real well I've never actually blocked though wait you haven't actually like gone through with the the black no I haven't and I just no

Brian Atlasbut you've accepted like they give you the phone number so you accept it but you've never contacted the wife yes but so you do engage in the

Brian Atlasblackmail King I have but I don't like to anymore what's the application fee

Brian Atlasfor your debt contract $100 yeah uh okay um and then you said that what the was that Lil

TTS ReaderJohn oh no not okay okay you said you hate hookup culture I do okay my kandas Fleming donated

TTS Reader$100 I'd be curious to know how they learned the whole scheme who taught you to predate on the mentally eel cheers to Brian and Andrew hey yo Mike that's

Andrew Wilsonactually a damn good question who mentors you into this Behavior exactly where do you find cuz you're mentoring the girl next to you who mentored you did you have like a friend or something

Andrew Wilsonlike that no it's all me you came up with the whole thing yourself you're not part of like some femd sub community of girls who talk

Brian Atlasabout all this [ __ ] all the time wait by the way Andrew it's fin just just it's a findom f whatever a woman woman women

Andrew Wilsonwoman yeah hey look I'm sorry I don't have all the dgen terms correct okay I like what do you want me to say my power is not nearly as

TTS Readerright donated $100 and2 the sad thing is as a man who makes 200k a year I would absolutely be

TTS Readerwilling to support a woman 100% she'd never have to work or find other simps but I've never found a woman worthy of it h he's talking about wifey material

Brian Atlaswell paladins does she like does she just like not know how to play like World of Warcraft like does

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