Brian KICKS OUT Brat?! 2 RAGE QUITS?! Toxic LA E-GIRLS Bankrupt Men (FlNDØM)?! | Dating Talk #195

Date: 2024-09-11

Duration: 8h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie (DT195)>

PPenny (DT195)>

JJiren (DT195)>

EElina (DT195)>

OOxana (DT195)>

LLaura (DT195)>

SSazia (DT195)>

EElora (DT195)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Sazia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jiren(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie/Penny/Gia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Laura(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKylie introduces herself as an 18yo findom creator who has earned ~$200K in 6 months.

QuoteJiren reveals she has been celibate for 4.5 years and is waiting until marriage. She is 24 and has been single for 7 years.

QuoteElina refuses to state her age on-stream, saying only "somewhere between 25 and 35."

OtherGia repeatedly disrupts the show and is asked to leave by Brian and Andrew at ~2:09. She refuses and argues; is threatened with police. Finally exits around 2:35.

OtherSelf-ratings round: Sazia rates herself face 10/body 10; acknowledges men would rate her 5-6. Oxana rates herself face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8. Laura rates body "infinity."

ControversyKylie reveals her ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500 cash, and stole her motorcycle. He has her name tattooed on his neck. Panel notes irony: a findom who financially dominates men was herself victimized financially by her ex.

ControversyFindom-to-bankruptcy moral debate: panel argues findom preys on men with psychological vulnerabilities (addiction, submissive tendencies) and can drive clients to bankruptcy or ruin. Kylie defends that clients consent and choose freely.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves in order. Order: Kylie (18, AZ, findom/TikTok), Penny (18, AZ, findom), Gia (21, CA, ChatterBait/OF), Jiren (24, SF, Masters/celibate), Elina (model/actress, Moldova/LA, age refused), Andrew Wilson (40, The Crucible host), Oxana (46, Sacramento, matchmaker), Laura (37, FL, matchmaker/former model), Sazia (30, Kazakhstan/LA, QA + podcaster), Elora (36, influencer 400K subs).

Findom explained — how it works, income, clients

Kylie and Penny explain findom (financial domination): men pay women to be humiliated and controlled. Kylie earned ~$200K in 6 months; Penny ~$6-7K in 2 months. Clients range from professionals to lonely men. Panel debates ethics, whether it exploits mental illness, and whether findom women can find committed relationships. Andrew Wilson and Brian press on psychological effects on clients.

Narcissism and emotional abuse debate

Discussion of narcissism in relationships, emotional abuse patterns, and identifying manipulative behavior. Guests share personal experiences. Debate on whether findom attracts or creates dependent personalities.

Gia disruption and removal from show

Gia repeatedly interrupts and derails conversation. Brian asks her to stop; she continues. Brian and Andrew ask Gia to leave at ~2:09. She refuses and argues. Threatened with police call; finally exits around 2:35. Discussion follows about entitlement and inability to self-regulate.

Self-ratings round

Each guest rates their own face and body on a 1-10 scale. Notable ratings: Kylie face 9/body 8, Elina face 9/body 8, Oxana face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8, Laura face 8.5/body infinity, Sazia face 10/body 10 (self-acknowledged overestimate). Jiren declines. Discussion of objectivity vs. self-perception.

Dating marketplace and sexual market value (SMV)

Brian and Andrew discuss sexual market value, how women's and men's value changes with age, and how findom intersects with SMV (exploiting lonely/lower-status men). Matchmakers Oxana and Laura provide professional context on what clients seek.

Kylie TikTok review and ex-boyfriend story

Brian reviews Kylie's TikTok content on-stream, showing findom-related posts. Kylie reveals ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500, and stole her motorcycle. Ex has her name tattooed on his neck. Older sister previously appeared on Whatever. Panel reacts to ex's behavior and the irony of a findom being victimized financially.

Findom Twitter/tweets review

Brian and panel review findom-related tweets and social media content from Kylie and others. Includes posts where findom creators mock their clients publicly. Panel reacts to content showing the psychological manipulation involved. Debate on whether public humiliation of paying clients crosses ethical lines.

Findom ethics debate — does it cause harm?

Deep ethical debate: is findom harmful to clients? Does it exploit mental illness (addiction, submissive tendencies)? Kylie and Penny argue clients choose freely. Brian and Andrew argue findom accelerates financial ruin. Matchmakers note they have seen findom victims in their professional work. Discussion of whether findom is different from other sex work.

Matchmaking industry and partner standards

Oxana and Laura discuss the professional matchmaking industry: how clients are vetted, what high-value men and women look for, and common deal-breakers. Laura discusses working with Millionaire Matchmaker / Patty Stanger. Both matchmakers share observations on how dating has changed with apps.

Patriarchy, age gaps, and dating economics

Discussion of traditional gender roles, age gap relationships, and the economics of modern dating. Andrew Wilson provides perspective from The Crucible framework. Matchmakers weigh in on what makes age gap relationships work or fail.

What do you bring to the table

Round-table: each guest articulates their value proposition in a relationship. Findom guests challenged on whether monetizing men is compatible with genuine partnership. Matchmakers discuss what balanced value exchange looks like.

Call to quit findom / closing discussion

Brian and Andrew urge Kylie and Penny to consider leaving findom. Argument: findom will damage ability to form genuine relationships and may attract wrong partner type. Kylie pushes back; Penny more receptive. Show closes with final thoughts from panel.

Transcript

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Elorabut you are so I appreciate that Andrew question for you if some someday your daughter uh can come and

Elorasay like I feel and say with my boyfriend uh husband whatever because he punched the wall what are you going to do I would take all the facts into consideration including how she felt

Andrew Wilsonabout it and I would give an interpretation I would give an interpretation based on all of the facts which were around me to the best of my possible ability that's what I would do

Andrew Wilsonbut what I would not assume ever was that instantly based on a feeling that that was the truth of the matter so I would always subject everything to

Andrew Wilsonreason first if I could right now I'm not perfect I'm imperfect and I have feelings as well could be driven by feelings to do rational things I'm in no way the uh the perfect form as it were

Andrew Wilsonof just pure human logic walking around in the skin suit but I still do think you should temper reason to feelings that's all I was saying so here I was making the same exact point that if

Andrew Wilsonyou're so willing to just come out and say somebody else is a narcissist that's all inter interpretative or all interpretive off of your feelings how I felt I feel like he was a narcissist

Andrew Wilsontherefore he was a narcissist right well no no actually that's not true that's [ __ ] right that's just madeup Tri and so that's what led into the idea of

Oxanawhether or not you could have feelings which don't map on to reality are women always wrong are women never right women women tend to jump to

Oxanathe conclusions and Men you're always wrong but women no men are rational they able to understand and get the logic women we make our decision based on

Oxanaemotions yes so that's the difference between men and if we would be able to see the situation actually think like a man that's one advice that I give to all you ladies here so like I ask like don't

Oxanabe a man think like a man and then you'll F you'll find a husband well Think Like a Man listen to a man talking a 21y old support a man discuss things

Oxanawith a man but absolutely respect a man number one they don't care about your emotions they just care about what you look like I'm just being completely honest that is the man who not looking for the family or intimacy or connection

Oxanathey care about what you look like so they can use you temporary without any commitment but but men are designed by Mother Nature as well to connect with the physical attribut are predators

Kylie/Penny/Giathey're not like they will eat anything they see like that's just how they work they don't care what it looks like they'll eat anything that's just how they work it's it's natur and it's

Andrew Wilsonnatural wait I'm super I'm super confused women do the exact same thing right so especially in countries where there's very little eat everything that's not nailed down women are also predatory women also hun we can control

Andrew Wilsonit me finish we have more self control than men women also hunt in packs women are also predatory women also eat meat they eat all the same things that men eat they do all those same types of

Andrew Wilsonthings what are you talking about say agree with you on this men are the apex predator that's true they're the apex predator men are I agree with

Oxanathat see but to say that men are predatory and women are not predatory is insanity but you know when we were going back I'm trying to make my point uh when I asked Alina when she started dating

Oxanathis guy was he punching the walls on right and left she said no so apparently his behavior had changed through the time that they were dating so then you

Oxanagot to get a little bit deeper and understand why his behavior had changed was it triggered maybe he was not hurt maybe he was not respected maybe he had

Oxanato show that he is a freaking Man by doing the stupid stuff like that but if we women I I don't know you alinaa yeah

Oxanabut I just know from my experience that if women would show respect to men if we would uh hear them if we um would be

Oxanaable to validate them show gratitude their behavior is going to be completely different they would not be punching the balls I'm not talking about The Crazy Ones certainly there is crazy category out there as well are you saying that it's okay for men to punch a wall in

Oxanafront of in the presence of a woman say it is okay for woman to disrespect men what is it is it okay answer my question I asked you a question yeah

Oxanawomen they able to motivate inadequate actions in men by showing them disrespect by not showing them gratitude by not showing them validation that we

Oxanaactually validate and appreciate and recognize him so we are able to trigger those type of reactions and again I'm

Oxananot talking about psycho and Crazy Ones okay but I'm talking about that you can get man completely women are just as capable as abusing of abusing men as men

Kylie/Penny/Giaare capable of abusing women uh that's what I think so your opinion is all over the mentally I'm talking about mentally not physically physically men are

Oxanastronger than women but men are able to uh cover up their feelings inside they want the feelings but they uh they they uh it is hard for

Oxanathem to reach out for those feelings if we would be able to in Inspire in man to open up their feelings then that's where the actually fulfilling relationships

Oxanawould be happening but we are able to inspire absolutely the most amazing things in our men we are this is our power as a women but if we are punching

Oxanathem things are not good enough do you think men are smarter than women I have what is the 18yearold smarter than 19y old is the 16y old I mean you cannot

Oxanageneralize is the Eastern European smarter than Americans or Asians are smarter than you cannot generalize it is not about smarter women typically they

Oxanahave better intuition than men women and men actually would be looking for our uh advice they would be looking for Our advice men who are married and respect

Oxanatheir wives they come and they it is not like Andrew you do you come to your wife and discuss with her some things or you are like this is my way and that's it uh it depends on the situation but yeah we

Oxanahave discussions there you go so even guy is masculine and opinion that's confidence that's confiding he is talking to his wife he's asking for her

Oxanaopinion because he respects her that is confidence that's called confidence confidence what is confidence Bri Brian to confide I mean to speak with essentially discussion to have a

Oxanadiscussion yeah to have a disc any discussion like emotional and deep and yeah discuss okay discussion yeah but they a team you see they are a team it is not about uh uh his wife is going

Oxanaagainst him or showing disrespect or whatever but he's showing respect back to her as well what are you referring to but we women we are able to inspire and

Oxanamotivate men to do either crazy stuff or great stuff but it is our choice what we want who who we want them to be

OxanaM I think everyone's like I don't know it's not our job to work on their traumas they have to want to work on their J it is our job as partners to work together we're each individual like

Oxanapeople like nobody yeah if you are going separate like I'm working on my [ __ ] you're working on your [ __ ] you are considered as one when you get married you you are no you start connecting

Kylie/Penny/Giaright from the beginning why man should give you whatever you want without you giving him no nobody owes you anything until like unless you're married that's what I think wait wait stop st stop hold

Kylie/Penny/Giaon hold on nobody owes you anything until you're married is what you said yeah didn't earlier you say it's a man's job to protect a woman uh well no it's a that's a like fatherly thing to do like

Brian AtlasI think so hold on know if if a man's dating a woman did you not say that it's a man's job to protect so if you saw a child getting abused would you no no what hold on you you like intervene would you intervene or no would you let

Brian Atlaswould you support what does this have anything I'll answer the question but what does that have anything to do with what I'm asking you cuz you're you're and talking telling me that I'm responsible for like we're talking you

Brian Atlassaid that in a relationship hold on couple things here you got to let people finish their [ __ ] sentences and you can't interrupt them so that was rude no it's rude for you to interrupt repeatedly you did it to her you've done

Andrew Wilsonit to multiple people here am I not allowed to speak no no are allowed to speak but in order for us to hear you uh we have to allow you to speak and listen to you and

Andrew Wilsonthen in exchange you have to allow us to speak and listen to you what's crazy asking you to be polite and not interrupt people I've G I gave you a warning before politely and you continue

Brian Atlasdoing it and you're doing it to me now warning yes I I give you warning you warn me about this girl's abusive in a relationship okay um I warned you when

Brian AtlasAndrew was talking you were have I you think I'll hit some somebody ask the most like unrelated like nonse questions you can't keep up that's why

Kylie/Penny/Giayou can't keep up like mentally when did I say you were physically abusive I can keep up mentally so I know he's probably listening to everything that I'm saying but you are just like I have no idea what you're saying like I cannot physically like I'm losing brain cells

Kylie/Penny/Gialistening to you I'm losing brain cells listening to you I no you wait no you no you you did that like that's what you sound like

Brian Atlaswhat is the effect these girls doing on you they talking to Brian this way so if you need me to actually articulate what you did before Andrew was speaking you've done it multiple times you did it multiple times you'll

Andrew Wilsonstart talking while somebody else is talking Andrew was talking that's interrupting so and I told you to stop and there I think some of that within reason uh interjecting certain key points in a conversation is fine right

Andrew Wilsonbut there I think there's a distinction between that and kind of incessant interrupting the thing is it's like I'm not going to beat you up about it cuz I want to hear what you have to say so let's let's have the

Brian Atlascombo it's okay rewinding here I believe the question was so you said that uh something like you don't owe them

Brian Atlasanything until you're married or I don't want to misquote you what did you say I forgot that's exactly what was said okay but earlier in the

Brian Atlasconversation you said that men should protect women in the context of like a romantic relationship did I you did I don't

Brian Atlasrecall whether you recall or not is irrelevant do you agree with OP is irrelevant do you agree that that is your position what are you just intentionally

Laura[Music] being I feel like you're trolling I'm sorry like your thoughts that you've been here are so disjointed they're all over over the place you seem like you're like just not here you don't seem like you're physically here like your

LauraConsciousness isn't here you like absolutely I'm here you meant mentally right I meant mentally though I mean you just say whatever it has nothing to even do with the topic like you like seem

Lauralike a little I don't know like do you want me to say should I say it delusional your opinion of me has absolutely no bearing you are very young and I I don't I just feel like you're

Kylie/Penny/Giatrolling so that's your opinion okay I don't need your

Kylie/Penny/Giaopinion I didn't ask did I ask for your opinion no aren't you so glad I brought her you said you wanted another

Brian Atlasgirl uh so I'll repeat myself one final time here uh you said you don't really owe anybody until you anything until you're married was that your statement

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat bro we cannot have you obviously heard what I said I didn't hear you can you like repeat the question I'm going to repeat it one last time can you

Brian Atlasspeak up listen too cuz I can't really hear you I'm hard of hearing I can't hear that well yeah I see you smiling so I know you're just [ __ ]

Brian Atlastrolling um look we're trying to I know some times we can joke around and stuff but I'm really not going to tolerate the trolling so it's got to stop you understand you're trolling you started

Kylie/Penny/Giait you instigated this how did I take can you handle the heat or not uh how did I start it or not how did I start it answer the

Kylie/Penny/Giaquestion I did not fly in from Florida for this I got to tell you that honey who who are you again I don't think I've ever heard of you or met you or I you're

Kylie/Penny/Giarelevant to me okay I still didn't fly from Florida for this for to be TR I really don't like you are not here g g answer the question repeat it for again just repeat it one time Gia be quiet and

Kylie/Penny/Gialisten do you want me to answer like seriously or not seriously is this a serious question or not cuz can you it's not a serious question then I don't

Kylie/Penny/Giaanswer it's serious just listen to it serious question I don't like I don't take

TTS Readerdisrespect okay that's fair I'm Sports donated $200 And1 Dollar Store Ariana shut the [ __ ] up you are not just stupid

TTS Readeryou are ignorant and a waste of a chair on the I mean I guess no one will know your name has anyone else been compared to her I don't think so okay so listen I'll repeat the question um just so that

Andrew Wilsonyou're totally clear do you think that leprechaun do actually exist at the end of the rainbow like I'm just wondering do you think that there is do you think there is like a little pot of gold there that you can follow it to the end a

Andrew Wilsonlittle Leprechaun Dancing Yeah do you think so what do you think do you think leprechaun huh huh what what what H uh

Andrew Wilsonoh oh my you guys are underestimating my intelligence oh no no wildly over Wild overestimated it but

Andrew WilsonI was willing to indulge it you want I can play the part if you really want me to I'm sorry I couldn't I couldn't I'm hard of hearing couldn't hear you

Kylie/Penny/Giasorry guess we're on the same page here brother what's

Kylie/Penny/Giathat did you guys hear something cuz I don't think I did I didn't hear anything we hear

Brian Atlaseverything is there a ghost in here I what was the question again yeah what was the question maybe we can answer it well so I mean I've been trying to

Kylie/Penny/Giaengage in good faith here so I think the questions I asked you are uh irrelevant how are they irrelevant okay just let them finish sorry that was my fault I

Brian Atlassay I'm so sorry can you forgive me you're going check the [ __ ] attitude we can agree to have a goodfaith conversation moving forward you did a bit of trolling

Andrew Wilsoncongratulations let him talk to you um on live too that's crazy yeah you saw he punched the wall he punched the

Brian Atlaswall so you know it was a threat how is that a threat I'm telling you to cut it off just let him speak I can cut something fck back there talking I can

Andrew Wilsoncut something else off they need to they need to knock off they sound like a threat on live TV

Kylie/Penny/Giasound like a threat or can I I don't know what did I say who said that cuz I didn't say I didn't say

Kylie/Penny/Giaanything is there a ghost in here woo wait can you see people I need

Brian Atlaswater next question please is I'll well I'm trying to figure out

Brian Atlasexactly how I want to navigate this here so I'm trying to reel things back and bring it back to a good faith conversation you had your fun you did a bit of

Brian Atlastrolling so are we going to have a good faith conversation or are you going to keep this up are you going to ask stupid keep asking stupid questions all right you're kind of pushing it I mean I'm again yeah ask stupid questions get

Brian Atlasstupid answers like I don't know what else you want I'm trying to extend an olive branch here so we can move on with the conversation okay it wasn't a stupid question it was related to the conversation you didn't hear what the

Kylie/Penny/Giaquestion was just let him ask the question I just said I don't like repeating myself I asked you to like you asked me to want he's eating

Kylie/Penny/Giapopcorn I love it good job [Laughter] so

Andrew Wilsonprofessional shut up dork I'll eat popcorn if I want to I'm saying what a [ __ ] dork stop being a dork and either engage in the conversation or get out of here one or the other I will

Andrew Wilsongladly you like I didn't ask well then gladly get the [ __ ] up and get out of here [ __ ] I'm so tired of [ __ ] wrangling you it's say literally [ __ ] wringling at this point just get up and get the [ __ ]

Kylie/Penny/Giaout you just can't handle the fact that I'm smarter than you and like you can't keep up with the conversation if you can't hold the conversation any longer what does that

Kylie/Penny/Giamean what does that mean he like I I like you almost made joke I ended that I literally like what did you want me to do take that I wasn't going to take that

Kylie/Penny/Giaespecially not on like [Laughter] live nor behind the scenes either I would never take that personally I would not let that slide if I were anybody in

Andrew Wilsonthis this room anybody in this room Universe you go girl do the do the do the finger snap thing on the way out do that for us do the finger snap be like uh-uh I'm not going to take that usually

Andrew Wilsonusually I would be the one to walk out I'm a strong woman I'm smarter than everybody I'm so smart oh I a't taking nothing from you oh thanks I didn't do the whole thing you think so you think I'm smart lean lean into the feminism

TTS Readerlean into it I got my popcorn here I'm ready for the r grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1

TTS Readerthis is why no one wants to be around this dumb Beach not even her parents get the [ __ ] out literally the dumbest person this panel has seen in a while

Kylie/Penny/Giathat's only thing you guys can do is hate that's all hate from

Brian Atlasbro uh grid One Motorsports thank you for the TTS astute observation can you say can you say cash me outside how about that what good can you say cash me outside how about that can you do that

Kylie/Penny/Giasure noide I'm not saying that will you guys pay me if I say that [ __ ] no [ __ ] no I'm not saying that no I don't work for

Brian Atlasfree I mean are aren't you here for free I don't know am I I don't know are you I don't know am I I don't know are you I don't know all right so I'm going to ask

Brian Atlasdo you know Andrew I'm gonna ask the question one more time I ask you one question before you you asked me a question is it related to the it's related to what he

Brian Atlaswas just talking about no so okay I'm going to ask you the question then no why would I answer yours if you won't answer mine I'm not we're not going to have a meta conversation I'm going to

Brian Atlasbring it back to the actual conversation at hand okay so earlier in the conversation you said something along the lines of men should protect women right in the

Brian Atlascontext of like a romantic relationship men should protect women boyfriends should protect girlfriends husband should protect wives or well boyfriend should protect girlfriends men should protect women in general when it comes

Brian Atlasto dating uh but you said you're not owed anything in a relationship prior to marriage yeah so how do you um how do you reconcile these two

Kylie/Penny/Giaconflicting uh positions what do you mean you want me to Define reconcile yeah please see I'm not

Brian Atlasperfect well just for you just so just so I have it perfectly I will Google the exact definition of reconcile uh so make consistent with

Brian Atlasanother especially by allowing well what make consistent with another cause to coexist in harmony make

Andrew Wilsoncompatible and then what was the other word that you added in that sentence like before that you want me to be defining it was uh it was pedantry he

Kylie/Penny/Giaused he was using the word pet entry can you repeat the question sorry oh I'm actually being so I'm not trying to like trigger you I'm sorry that was a trigger no I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry you

TTS Readerworded it your intellect I Hon donated $200 there is a village missing their R and we found her please Brian kick Pugsley Adams off the show she offers

Kylie/Penny/Gianothing to any convers I'll ask you a simple question uh what what's what's 9 + 10 21 what's your body count what what's your body count 11 did

Andrew Wilsonyou say 9 + 10 is 21 [ __ ] up what did you say 9 + 10 is 21 no yeah you did you said 9 + 10 is 21 I thought you just got done saying you're the smartest person

Andrew Wilsonhere [ __ ] [ __ ] wrangling [ __ ] wrangling up in

Kylie/Penny/Giahere sorry

Laurathis really scares me to have a daughter like I think I'm done four boys is fantastic this is terrifying oh you got four boys yeah I have four boys thank

Kylie/Penny/Giayou look at you yeah I'm just kidding I'm so sorry I'm just kidding I'm joking that was a joke guys

OxanaKumbaya all right um so what do you want while you dating a man to protect you it's not necessary

Oxanabut like I would like I don't like to feel scared anywhere I go like I yeah so okay so how would you then define whether or not he is a protector and

Oxanaprovider if he does not show his qualities while you are dating would you be marrying blind without knowing whether he I would never marry a man that would ever so how would you find

Oxanaout if he's protector and and provider if he does not display that while you are dating wait what can you sorry I was talking over you and I was speaking while you were speaking so technically I

Oxanacouldn't I understand you need attention I understand that yes um so while you are dating you have to define whether or not this partner is right for you right

Oxanabut you are saying that men should not be protecting and providing you until marriage correct no I think men should protect you before marriage but not

Oxanaprovide for you okay protect protect okay so then he is displaying his qualities as a protector while you are dating but at the same time you do not

Oxanagive him anything back you're holding owe me e anything either I'm not asking for anything neither should he ask me for anything but how he would be able to define whether or not you are

Oxanagood wife uh uh wife material if you don't show that dur what a woman wife material someone who is supportive

Oxanasomeone who I I already said before the number of qualities um someone who knows how to respect a man someone who knows

Oxanahow to worship a man someone who not arguing with a man not competing with a man okay a woman who shuts up cleans it is not about shutting up no it's not

Oxanaabout shutting up oh but a woman I mean it should be joy for the woman they like a woman man like a girl that can eat

Oxanathat's what they like you know the if you want fulfilling relationship if you do you want fulfilling and loving relationship what

Kylie/Penny/Giado you mean like do I do I want to get married one day no loving and fuling Rel I want to feel love from my like by like be Feel Love do you want fulfilling and

Kylie/Penny/Gialoving marriage I can fulfill myself I don't need a man let's just make that clear I don't need the feminist statement of the night I don't need a

Oxanaman here we go why would you dating man if you don't need a man cuz I like having sex that's why but there is other things you can

Kylie/Penny/Giause for sex I don't think so you don't need a man I only like I use I like men for I use men for sex but you don't want to open your

Kylie/Penny/Giaheart one day I'm just kidding you guys really think I use men for sex no oh my God like what come on what would I would

Oxananever do that that's so that's crazy so you uh in our conversation before you said that you would not want to treat your man like a a husband while you are

Kylie/Penny/Giadating oh yeah no way no way but at the same time you want him to protect you while you are dating just kidding wait what what what do you mean are you aware this getting crazy or you really no I'm

Laurafully aware no she's doing it for attention what okay I'm sorry all the I don't ask for attention I just get it I just take it even if it's good or bad

Laurathat's really sad I know I mean that's your opinion see you're a hater I think guess haters back off that's what women do yeah but we can't have a conversation because you just can't even have a conversation really sad you literally

Kylie/Penny/Giawere making comments earlier like putting down o o like girls like that's actually a hater you're not a girls girl whatsoever you're a woman hater she

Laurabetrayed she betrayed The Sisterhood The Sisterhood I wasn't putting down anyone I said get your bag I just said you may not get the man you want while you're getting it and that that is I

Kylie/Penny/Giawould not let that side I take that as very disrespectful towards all the O girls none of the O girls would like your intention to is coming from her brain so it's true I mean I guess yeah I know she can't help it it's like

Andrew Wilsonengraved in her head that thought is coming from her brain that only fans girls suck so therefore it's true right I never said they suck I would not say that no I know but if you did it would I'm just hot and I exist like I'm sorry

Kylie/Penny/Giayou're mad that I'm hot and you're not I'm just kidding What's your name okay Gia Gia I'm so bad with the name so I apologize Gia and whether you take that offensively or not that's your op

Kylie/Penny/Giaopinion that's that really shows whether you think you're took offense and that's your opinion no I honestly I don't get offended I'm just joking I made a joke I do you guys not know who Miranda Sings

Kylie/Penny/Giais haters back off like do you not know who that is I'm sorry maybe show is like seven years yeah you're probably too old for that you're in a completely different generation than me like you can't relate to me I am so you should listen to me you really can't how old

Lauraare you 37 I know you're very young and I think you're doing this for attention and I feel bad for you and I did not fly here from Florida to not have a conversation like you're you're ruining the panel mad that I'm getting more attention than you

Kylie/Penny/Giaare no it's not about attention you're just ruining the panel we're not I didn't have here to talk I'm sorry uh what you sound like you got to stop interrupting you got to is your whole personality I'm just kidding sorry

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat's your intention all right well you can't you can't start insulting the panelist now so um I'm so sorry I think you're very what is sorry with a W she is you are so beautiful I don't understand why you're hating on me like

Kylie/Penny/GiaI think you're so pretty it's her opinion no I just I literally mentioned the first thing I ever said was I said that I do said Doone wife I'm not wifey material or whatever you said you said I'm not wife

Lauramaterial sorry it's not really about that you're trolling this conversation we're not we can't even have a real conversation on this panel you've been trolling it for I don't even know I don't have a watch but probably about an hour no everyone's

Lauralistening and everybody thinks you're ridiculous honey that's only you that's you it's not only me Brian is it only me you babe uh not just I think it's just you babe not just you it's just me yeah

Brian Atlasokay no not just you not just me I was like what no not just you good good um well perhaps I can speed things along here a little bit please um I have a

Brian Atlascouple questions for you so and then uh we'll get back to some of the panelists here so what do you do for work no no no no no hold on hold on wait G hold on

Andrew Wilsonokay so I'm a singer okay what are you hey Gia well sing me a song

Andrew Wilsongioo who's that [ __ ] song Gio what's your name Paul okay so hey make it a can

Kylie/Penny/Giayou make it a love ballad I like those can you make it Andre we have lima lima ligma is that your name Lima ball ligma

Andrew WilsonLima balls [ __ ] do you going to do a [ __ ] 12-year-old meme really ligma catch me outside how about that catch me outside how about that yeah I was literally about to say that you read my mind I know I know I did but it's

Kylie/Penny/Giabecause you have no mind I'm sorry is that why you're making fun of me and called me addressed me with is that why you address me as a man are you intimidated by me I'm a little I

Andrew Wilsonlike TR to girl sing me [ __ ] song go get an AC anding me a [ __ ] song sing me a song make a love yeah there you go he's a fan he's a

Brian Atlasfan start with that we can start with that sorry guys okay let's get back on track here all right get back on so let me uh Andrew just let me ask the

Brian Atlasquestions and uh we'll uh I'll speed this along as quick as I can uh so uh Gio what do you think of men

Andrew Wilsoncan wait what I'm just kidding I heard you what's a man what's a what's a ontologically or metaphysically or which way are you

Brian Atlasasking a I'm clear what makes a man a man asking you I know but what makes a man a man I mean this definitely meets the threshold for like disruptive sabotage Interruption but no I think

Brian Atlasit's fair game do you mean ontologically I just want to make sure I get the question clear I'm just Uno reverse you and you're getting upset let me get through this okay so how do you do how is this your job if

Kylie/Penny/Giayou get offended so quickly how do you get so okay it's definitely reaching the threshold of the troll so uh sorry you think I'm funny and you're not I'm just kidding sorry okay you guys should like

Kylie/Penny/Giatape her mouth shut just for a little okay so I'll leave what do you think I'll gladly leave what do you think of men what what do you think of men I just

Kylie/Penny/Giaasked you to not ask me St stupid questions so if you're like not taking me seriously what makes you think that I'm going to take you seriously what's your name all right um I don't know your name

Brian AtlasI'll see if I can get something else out of you uh who do you think is the primary victim of war men or women what you going to answer a question who goes to men I mean who goes

Kylie/Penny/Giato war men or women typically men okay so then what is what do you who's the primary victim of war men or women men okay are men or

Brian Atlaswomen physically stronger men can you be sexist towards men no can you be sexist towards women

Kylie/Penny/Giayes why can't you be sexist towards men men are sexual predators and women are not what does that have to do with sexism what that's like two different questions

Kylie/Penny/Giaboom mic dropped sorry really smart I'm actually really smart can you be racist towards white people what can you be racist towards white

Kylie/Penny/Giapeople why don't you ask them that not me don't ask me I'm not black no can you be racist I'm not black you can't ask me a question that you can only ask a black I'm not black no I'm not saying if you

Kylie/Penny/Giacan be racist do I look black to you you can't ask me that I can't answer that can not you that's a setup that's a setup can people in general be racist towards white people you can answer that

Kylie/Penny/Giathen if it's R towards anybody I believe okay then answer he's asking you are you being racist right now no I'm asking a question you answer if you're not racist

Kylie/Penny/Giaanswer no but it's if you're not racist what's your name Jana answer you don't remember anything so I'm not going to really I really don't really I don't want to know your name either anyway

Brian Atlasover here uh do you think that white people have

Brian Atlasculture no uh do you believe in male privilege yes do you believe in toxic masculinity no let's see do you I'm just kidding I'm

Kylie/Penny/Giawhite I am very I can season chicken okay mhm uh what is a woman me what you are I'm a woman I CL I

Kylie/Penny/Giaidentify as a woman mhm Mr whatever your name is Gio is a boy name not a girl name uh do you my name is G Gio correction uh do you think I'm correct or not at all do you think men are

Brian Atlasimportant I do I do think men are important uh seral J only reason I think you're still there is because you're causing enough people to cringe hard enough they K the need to donate for the sole purpose of letting you know you're

Kylie/Penny/Giaa dumb blank uh sural thank you for the 200 why are you reading that out loud it's a TTS that didn't trigger so I read it that was not okay that was a hate comment and you just read that out loud so you are you are like that was hate

Kylie/Penny/Giaspeech you can go to jail for that that's great cool um do you think men are important I can sue you if I really wanted to so don'ts good don't [ __ ] with

Brian Atlasme ho sounds good uh do you think men are important I just answered that next question the TTS the TTS came through next question do you do you think men are important next

Kylie/Penny/Giaquestion do you think men are trapped I love men mhm do we need men I love dick in my

Kylie/Penny/Giamouth I'm just kidding okay yeah sorry well uh in my bleep ass no I'm just

Kylie/Penny/Giakidding am I I don't know let's see and find out no I'm just kidding would you [ __ ] me I'm just kidding no okay nope oh

Kylie/Penny/Giareally yep I don't think you I don't think I think you're lying all right okay

Brian Atlasum all right so that was fun that was fun but uh you've been disruptive you've uh you've been disruptive so thanks for having me you

Brian Atlasgot to leave kindly uh get this is sp what get up get out what did you say your he said get the [ __ ] out of here

Andrew Wilsonyou dumb [ __ ] get out who that's what he said he said who are you asking who are you asking who are you speaking to I'm speaking to you what's my name your permission to be here has been revoked

Brian Atlasyou need to leave what's my name I don't care what if you ask me nicely I will get up but if you ask me oh I don't have to ask you nicely your permission your permission to be here has been

Kylie/Penny/Giarevoked it's just been subscri guys this can't this it's just been revoked okay where's my shoes nobody's wearing shoes here by the way guys

Kylie/Penny/Giathat's just how weird it is when you walk in they ask you to take off your shoes and get naked what [ __ ] the whatever podcast

Brian AtlasTata Tata

Brian AtlasAIA out Tata yeah g out Nick

Kylie/Penny/GiaVideo well moving [Music]

Lauraforward is going to steal our [ __ ] guys our purses are in the front sorry pleased about that that your friend no oh I thought yall were friends no

OxanaAndrew are you enjoying the peace and silence oh yeah I love that kind sh we can carry the conversation now it's you and all the girls you don't have to

Andrew Wilsonshare us with anyone come on no no are you kidding I love when when people do the low tier trolling that's my favorite kind like I I always enjoy because there's no way for them to really win

Andrew Wilsonright all they can really do is just sit there and make Brian money which is hilarious to me it's like it always backfires but for reason they do it anyway but I I just think it's hilarious I feel bad

Oxanafor it's like I'm always trying to D can I help the person or not this is going to be Challen would be challenging very very challenging no me

Andrew Wilsonnether I know me too that's crazy this is a habit hang on hang on sh we got to hear this hang on

Brian Atlas[ __ ] just [ __ ] leave I love you you just say to me get the [ __ ] out of my studio you to

Brian Atlasme get the [ __ ] out of my studio need

Brian Atlasto [ __ ] leave man don't make it a [ __ ] big deal what did you just call me you need to [ __ ] leave that one more time before your permission to be here has been revoked I'm

Brian Atlastrespassing I trespassing you here this is really

Andrew Wilsonno no you two are good you you're you're good you two are perfectly fine you you've been great you've been fantastic no worries about you at all I'm literally worried are you talking to us no not [Music]

Andrew Wilsonyou talking to um Kylie and Penny no you guys been great you been Thanks for the best what what did it say

Oxanashe doesn't no she canot real oh are you not streaming all this

Andrew Wilsonthe departure Andrew come on you're the host what am I what am I I what am I supposed to rotate the camera with my py what like what do you want me to do here

Oxanaall you need to do is make Kylie right Kylie to smile because she's a people making comments on her beautiful

Andrew Wilsonsmile so she can carry the [Laughter] [Music] show all right all right is she is she

Lauraof the studio now not yet no she she does not want to leave she's still here she's troller no the other no that's just her that's just

Kylie/Penny/Giaher it's like she believes it so it's not like wait she friends we just met you brought her my sister was supposed to come but she can last minute

Kylie/Penny/Giaso ran asked me to bring someone she we thought she was a character but I like so we just we brought her yeah so she was just saying all that [ __ ] like I do explicit content I don't like just no

Kylie/Penny/GiaI have making [ __ ] up right it's all over the place this is this is her as a person she's not trolling she's always like this oh that's

Andrew Wilsonher she she's always like this what the hell is going on what's with what what is going on with the the

Oxanaemotes it's the but Andre come honestly you enjoyed it didn't you come on she got to go in now now there such a boring

Lauratime like everybody is in agre with you that was pretty funny but yeah I I agree with that with the dive to her I agree with

Unknownyou me neither um is she gone yeah I think so yeah Round of Applause

Unknown[Applause] guys but now Andrew is speechless

Andrew Wilsonsee totally speechless don't know what to okay so she's out of the studio now yes she's okay here's why here's why I didn't didn't just kind of keep the show going from this end because I know that

Andrew WilsonI know the whatever audience pretty well right and they wanted to hear even if it was so just ever so faintly they still wanted to hear what was going on in the background and I was not going to

Andrew Wilsondeprive the whatever audience of that I wasn't going to do it and so yeah I I I allowed them to hear because that's just the kind of guy I am just the kind of guy I am but anyway we can get back to

Brian Atlasthe show you take this back to the show all right um I'm sorry about that guys but um I mean she refused to leave even back there we had to essentially

Brian Atlasthreaten that we were going to call the police well that certainly meets the uh criteria for a sabotage or trolling situation so whatever legal uh options may be available to us

Brian Atlaswe'll see but uh uh so let's see here um I can't believe it I got to go over punch by the way I got to go punch the wall we were recording all the [ __ ] that was going on back there maybe we I I should

Brian Atlashave turned the camera to be honest sorry you guys missing on stream what's that she could have pulled her you know whatever so uh oh can you guys turn that that light out there guys

TTS ReaderI'm we're going to post it to our Discord hold onon Andrew fan donated 200 $100 thank you for kicking her off long time watch your first time donator she's

Brian Atlassuper toxic uh yo um run Brian Andrew friend thank you man appreciate the uh TTS so we were filming all the BTS we'll post it to our Discord it's

Brian Atlasdiscord.gg whatever Nick can you pull it up please it's going to be in the behind the scenes section here we post a bunch of like the BTS and stuff so uh we'll

Brian Atlaspost all the like the kickout and stuff uh on there so uh uh yeah man uh you can find it there discord.gg whatever make

Brian Atlassure you join the Discord can you guys uh can you guys uh mod spam it in the chat please I want to apologize to the rest of the panel here for the

Brian Atlasdisruption there um it is what it is probably uh but she's gone now so well you can't say you didn't give her every opportunity Brian M oh I was I should

Andrew Wilsonhave honestly I should have kicked her a way sooner uh no no I think I think that that was the right move to just kind of show and demonstrate that there was absolutely no way she was ever

Brian Atlasgoing to have a good faith conversation he demonstrated it well and um I think that that was exactly what you should have done yeah I mean uh I wanted to at least try to bring her back from the

Brian Atlastroll say okay you had your fun let's go back to the conversation but it is what it is okay uh so anyways uh we will like I said we will

Brian Atlaspost all that BTS stuff that we got of her she called uh she called us the p word because we were recording her p word so little slander there God throw

Brian Atlasin a little slander too oh and then and then when we were trying to get her out she said that she started yelling in the H hallways saying that we were kidnapping her oh my God uh so this is

Andrew Wilsonuh the kind of women you're dealing with basically just uh falsely accused pretty typical of uh women like that so and after you took the time I saw

Andrew Wilsonearlier Brian was such a gentleman he took the time to have his staff bring out a little cushion so that she could reach the the the microphone you know her her little legs were kicking in the chair and she couldn't quite reach it he put this little cushion down so that she

Andrew Wilsoncould she could get high enough to speak into it was very gentlemanlike behavior and this is how you're repaid Brian anyways back to the conversation

TTS Readeruh we now return to regularly Pro Noah donated $200 I just got done watching a presidential debate with a hysterical whiny lady turn on the whatever podcast

TTS Readerand a hysterical whiny lady is being kicked out I can't escape them V comment uh yeah it should have been uh

Brian AtlasTrump kicked out camela ca uh from the debate anyways uh okay yeah guys we'll go twitch really quick uh guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop a

TTS Readersay follow in the prime sub if you have one twitch.tv/ whatever it's grid One Motorsports donated

TTS Reader$200 here is another 200 get a kick cam this is Sparta and your fans deserve to see all the action especially with such an entitled of H

Brian AtlasBeach yeah the the problem with our setup is at least we can only uh we only have four cameras I I have an additional camera but our computer rig won't handle more than four uh so I would basically

Brian Atlasjust have to turn one of these cameras I uh I've done it before but it kind of didn't occur to me and actually she was uh before the show she was asking about like nip slip stuff so like we were already kind

Brian Atlasof on uh high alert so that's why we actually that's why I didn't turn the camera so you could the BTS because she was like talking about like nip slip

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] and we just didn't want to I actually brought Brian I knew that she was trolling the second I asked her I had a very serious question about leprechauns and pots of gold and she wouldn't even answer so I knew right

Andrew Wilsonthen when you get asked the leprechaun question if leprechauns you know if you see one do they lead you to a pot of gold and um she didn't you know she really just didn't even engage and it was a super

Brian Atlasserious question so but yeah I was I was so concerned about the potential nip slip I was thinking about having her wear a uh one of my panta uh hold on let me move the mic out

Brian Atlasthe way the [ __ ] out here either this panta shirt or this one but then we we decided that we you

Brian Atlasknow maybe maybe it wasn't going to be uh maybe it was oh you probably couldn't hear me while stop whatever okay anyways all right um uh why don't we do

Brian Atlasthis uh back to love yeah yeah yeah hold on I'm just making sure let's see uh let's do Stiffler ask everyone to rate their

Brian Atlaslooks total face body on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven starting with you Kylie go ahead okay I'll give myself

Brian Atlasan eight out of 10 okay eight infinity five can I have you tilt your

Elinamic down a little bit okay go ahead you go ahead eight and a half cuz there's always um space for improvement

Oxanaokay you never like my answer mhm the combination of the inside and outside that's how I would go physically I would say four

Laurainside five okay well I know we have to do it but as long as my husband's happy I'm happy to be honest and he is happy with my

Lauralooks um he's the best always bringing me up and after four kids in like 2 and a half years it does you know rock you a

Laurabit but uh I would say like eight and a half if I have to sure okay I go with 10

Brian Atlas10 I think I'm doing my best and um probably eight okay so uh pull back up the thing

Brian Atlasplease okay so ask there looks total Face Body I'm assuming you guys gave me your total count so I'm curious let's do the breakdown Face Body going back around so what do you rate your face

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat you rate your body go ahead I would rate my face a nine and my body a like seven Oh cannot choose

Kylie/Penny/Giaseven so six or eight yeah I'll do eight all right what about you for face I say 8.5 and for body

Brian Atlasfive there's no limit for both oh my God and okay I'm we're do okay all right um I say face five body five okay I'm

Elinaalways being judged when I go to castings and modeling so um do I do I have to judge myself

Elinaagain it's always being judged um I'll do nine for face and eight for

Oxanabody my God so superficial I know tell me about it with a makeup

Oxanaon 6 in the morning without makeup on and 4 and a half if for go with the face body

Oxanaeight I'm working out I'm playing picka ball all the time

Lauramhm um body Infinity because it just birthed for beautiful humans and honestly that is a feed in itself um face eight and a

Laurahalf I I love my face personally okay but I think Victoria secet models have a 10 so you really shouldn't rate yourself a 10 really ever unless that's what you

Saziado uh I would go face and body 10 I don't like to be counted so I just want to feel myself 10 always so face 10 body 10 y okay and

Eloratotal 10 I'm assuming okay and then what about you so I'm a tourist six but a lot of people they said like I'm looks like

Elora28 29 so I think I'm doing my best as I said uh so fa is I think nine and body

Brian Atlaseight honestly mhm okay uh I give myself uh total

Brian Atlasfive face 5.5 body 4.5 gotta lose some weight um for sure

Andrew Wilsonrocking the dad bod Andrew what about you uh four okay face body uh I I don't think it's indistinguishable I think that um I

Andrew Wilsonthink that you can have a really pretty face and still be a very unattractive person depending on the body and vice versa I think it's intertwined and so I think that um you would give a number to

Andrew Wilsonthe overall appearance versus giving it to these individualistic characters I mean what are we going to do next right well I think my nails are at 10 I think my ears are an eight I think my nose is a five and a half right like you can you

Andrew Wilsoncan kind of reduce this endlessly so what I think the point of the question is is to kind of take all of those characteristics and combine them so that we have a number of attractiveness right

Andrew Wilsonso that it's not kind of endlessly reduced into these uh these various criteria or we can never get anywhere right oh one quick question and you can just do show of hands for the whole

Brian Atlaspanel have you ever seen a beautiful woman with a mid guy just show of hands yes yes yes yes yes I think that's the uh entire panel here beautiful woman

Brian Atlasthey've all seen beautiful women uh so you gave yourself a 10 over here uh so do you think all none of the women here raiding themselves a 10 uh do you think

Saziathat you're the most beautiful woman here no I'm not comparing myself with them I just uh I just moved recently uh like 3 months ago and I gained weight

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