Brian KICKS OUT Brat?! 2 RAGE QUITS?! Toxic LA E-GIRLS Bankrupt Men (FlNDØM)?! | Dating Talk #195

Date: 2024-09-11

Duration: 8h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie (DT195)>

PPenny (DT195)>

JJiren (DT195)>

EElina (DT195)>

OOxana (DT195)>

LLaura (DT195)>

SSazia (DT195)>

EElora (DT195)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Sazia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jiren(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie/Penny/Gia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Laura(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKylie introduces herself as an 18yo findom creator who has earned ~$200K in 6 months.

QuoteJiren reveals she has been celibate for 4.5 years and is waiting until marriage. She is 24 and has been single for 7 years.

QuoteElina refuses to state her age on-stream, saying only "somewhere between 25 and 35."

OtherGia repeatedly disrupts the show and is asked to leave by Brian and Andrew at ~2:09. She refuses and argues; is threatened with police. Finally exits around 2:35.

OtherSelf-ratings round: Sazia rates herself face 10/body 10; acknowledges men would rate her 5-6. Oxana rates herself face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8. Laura rates body "infinity."

ControversyKylie reveals her ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500 cash, and stole her motorcycle. He has her name tattooed on his neck. Panel notes irony: a findom who financially dominates men was herself victimized financially by her ex.

ControversyFindom-to-bankruptcy moral debate: panel argues findom preys on men with psychological vulnerabilities (addiction, submissive tendencies) and can drive clients to bankruptcy or ruin. Kylie defends that clients consent and choose freely.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves in order. Order: Kylie (18, AZ, findom/TikTok), Penny (18, AZ, findom), Gia (21, CA, ChatterBait/OF), Jiren (24, SF, Masters/celibate), Elina (model/actress, Moldova/LA, age refused), Andrew Wilson (40, The Crucible host), Oxana (46, Sacramento, matchmaker), Laura (37, FL, matchmaker/former model), Sazia (30, Kazakhstan/LA, QA + podcaster), Elora (36, influencer 400K subs).

Findom explained — how it works, income, clients

Kylie and Penny explain findom (financial domination): men pay women to be humiliated and controlled. Kylie earned ~$200K in 6 months; Penny ~$6-7K in 2 months. Clients range from professionals to lonely men. Panel debates ethics, whether it exploits mental illness, and whether findom women can find committed relationships. Andrew Wilson and Brian press on psychological effects on clients.

Narcissism and emotional abuse debate

Discussion of narcissism in relationships, emotional abuse patterns, and identifying manipulative behavior. Guests share personal experiences. Debate on whether findom attracts or creates dependent personalities.

Gia disruption and removal from show

Gia repeatedly interrupts and derails conversation. Brian asks her to stop; she continues. Brian and Andrew ask Gia to leave at ~2:09. She refuses and argues. Threatened with police call; finally exits around 2:35. Discussion follows about entitlement and inability to self-regulate.

Self-ratings round

Each guest rates their own face and body on a 1-10 scale. Notable ratings: Kylie face 9/body 8, Elina face 9/body 8, Oxana face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8, Laura face 8.5/body infinity, Sazia face 10/body 10 (self-acknowledged overestimate). Jiren declines. Discussion of objectivity vs. self-perception.

Dating marketplace and sexual market value (SMV)

Brian and Andrew discuss sexual market value, how women's and men's value changes with age, and how findom intersects with SMV (exploiting lonely/lower-status men). Matchmakers Oxana and Laura provide professional context on what clients seek.

Kylie TikTok review and ex-boyfriend story

Brian reviews Kylie's TikTok content on-stream, showing findom-related posts. Kylie reveals ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500, and stole her motorcycle. Ex has her name tattooed on his neck. Older sister previously appeared on Whatever. Panel reacts to ex's behavior and the irony of a findom being victimized financially.

Findom Twitter/tweets review

Brian and panel review findom-related tweets and social media content from Kylie and others. Includes posts where findom creators mock their clients publicly. Panel reacts to content showing the psychological manipulation involved. Debate on whether public humiliation of paying clients crosses ethical lines.

Findom ethics debate — does it cause harm?

Deep ethical debate: is findom harmful to clients? Does it exploit mental illness (addiction, submissive tendencies)? Kylie and Penny argue clients choose freely. Brian and Andrew argue findom accelerates financial ruin. Matchmakers note they have seen findom victims in their professional work. Discussion of whether findom is different from other sex work.

Matchmaking industry and partner standards

Oxana and Laura discuss the professional matchmaking industry: how clients are vetted, what high-value men and women look for, and common deal-breakers. Laura discusses working with Millionaire Matchmaker / Patty Stanger. Both matchmakers share observations on how dating has changed with apps.

Patriarchy, age gaps, and dating economics

Discussion of traditional gender roles, age gap relationships, and the economics of modern dating. Andrew Wilson provides perspective from The Crucible framework. Matchmakers weigh in on what makes age gap relationships work or fail.

What do you bring to the table

Round-table: each guest articulates their value proposition in a relationship. Findom guests challenged on whether monetizing men is compatible with genuine partnership. Matchmakers discuss what balanced value exchange looks like.

Call to quit findom / closing discussion

Brian and Andrew urge Kylie and Penny to consider leaving findom. Argument: findom will damage ability to form genuine relationships and may attract wrong partner type. Kylie pushes back; Penny more receptive. Show closes with final thoughts from panel.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasum and uh I'll say for example I mean having done the podcast for two years like it's it's different than what you guys do but

Brian Atlaslike like doing this kind of [ __ ] it takes a toll on you you know I haven't I don't do sex work but even just doing what I do takes a toll on me yeah and oh yeah I agree this stuff has to be taking a toll on you in some way I know like

Andrew Wilsonlook I make good money you guys probably make good money or you'll make good money but uh is this simp if you quit right this second if you quit right now I can tell you your future your future is you're

Andrew Wilsongoing to have a lot less money in your pocket in the short term but but here's the good news this will just be a funny story that you'll be able to tell your kids one day and nobody L paladins

TTS Readerdonated $20 Morgan saw you out on the street on the deleted live stream not the best look hookup culture is going to ruin you unfortunately this will fall on

Kylie/Penny/Giadeaf ears but maybe in 20 years you'll think it I don't hook up with people like that with Mexicans I said with like

Brian Atlaswhat like that oh Oh you mean oh okay okay okay I thought cuz you were talking to like a Mexican guy so I was like oh I didn't even know he was

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Andrew Wilsonokay uh Andrew you were saying I'll pause the uh TTS here temporarily then we're going to wrap yeah I was just saying the one thing that you will have though is you it'll just be a funny story and that'll be the end of it

Andrew Wilsonthat'll be where it stops right is that one time I tried this stupid thing when I was 18 it'll be a funny story that you can remember fondly right every single day that passes is one more day where

Andrew Wilsonthat will not be the case until it becomes two years and it becomes three years that becomes part of what you are and who you are and how you're always remembered but if you walk away right this second it'll hurt your wallet right

Andrew Wilsonbut you'll keep every ounce of your integrity if you do that now will you do it will I be quitting SP

Kylie/Penny/Giathem today mhm no what about you I sell courses on it so I can't just quit ASAP well what about you I feel like I would have to try something else

Brian Atlasbefore quitting like I'll give you a job like modeling I'll give you a job you'll be background charact you see that girl sitting right next to you here try this Helm on uh Nisa could you just give her

Brian Atlasyours here try go no she would be good what do you think feels good right well

Brian Atlascareful how you raise your arm wearing a helmet like that sorry bad it's a World War I helmet guys relax like I want to hit some I will

Brian Atlasgive you I'll give you a job we're we're always looking to bring on more background characters so background think about it um this a serious offer I'll even give if you wanted to

Brian Atlasyou can be it it's but here's the thing it's not going to pay as well as what you're doing but it'll pay what's the pay I'll we'll talk after the show okay

Brian AtlasI'll tell you after the show um so you wait you sell a course I do how much is the course 50 bucks and it's like how to

Kylie/Penny/Giastomp on balls how to get started how to get started yeah on being aom girls that try this and they're not successful step one step on the ball step two get money not like marketing I'm not trying

Brian Atlasto diminish I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude and diminish your ebook it's a really hard job ebook I have to type and text them it's really hard it's difficult Andrew is right you guys are 18 now like this is what you're doing

Lauranow and it could just be a funny memory there's no real like proof of it online like the like the girls that do actual pornography like where it's there forever to haunt them four months four 4

Andrew Wilsonmonths you haven't had sex with anybody for money you just did this goofy thing where they sent you some cash and you told them to do crazy [ __ ] right you could literally walk away tomorrow and

Andrew Wilsonit would be a distant memory before you knew it nobody would ever remember it it would be memory hold for Life nobody would ever give a [ __ ] see opportunity that nobody ever gets and you have it but what well here's what now let me

Andrew Wilsonpredict what your actual future is going to be when you just kind of like say nope Andrew go [ __ ] yourself I'm not going to do this your actual future is this you're going to continue to do this it's going to graduate post wall until you get into sex work

Andrew Wilsonand that is all you're going to be known for for the rest of your existence you'll see once that money drives up see you take that money it'll always come easy it doesn't always come easy right now it's coming easy and your dumbass

Andrew Wilsonprobably isn't saving a dime of it and uh you know almost nobody ever does and even though they claim they do in two years you be broke if money comes in Easy it leaves

Andrew Wilsoneasy you'll see for yourself it's the it's an old story we hear it all the time okay thank you for telling my future can I get a copy of your course for free by the

Brian Atlasway like cuz we're cuz you're the homie right we'll talk after Brian okay okay sounds good sounds good I'm just I'm just curious like cuz I'm like trying to bag like McKenzie you know yeah you want to use it

Brian Atlasonos uh let's see um offer offer valid okay uh let me let

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Brian Atlasabout hard-headed Young Folks acting like donkeys life is gone learn yeah H you know it'd be funny if I made this offer to all the like off girls and they

Brian Atlasall took it and I literally had a [ __ ] literal Army of XO girls wearing [ __ ] world War One pickle hobas oh my that would be funny doing God's work

Oxanadoing yeah sort of kind of but they wouldn't miss it the work if they actually connected with God they they would actually feel the purpose that they filling some purpose okay so I'm

Brian Atlaspretty sure that's everything any final thoughts before I wrap up from anybody or okay I'm sure I know it's been a long show guys so I'm sure you guys are Keen to uh get this going so okay

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