Brian KICKS OUT Brat?! 2 RAGE QUITS?! Toxic LA E-GIRLS Bankrupt Men (FlNDØM)?! | Dating Talk #195

Date: 2024-09-11

Duration: 8h 33m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKylie (DT195)>

PPenny (DT195)>

JJiren (DT195)>

EElina (DT195)>

OOxana (DT195)>

LLaura (DT195)>

SSazia (DT195)>

EElora (DT195)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Sazia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jiren(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie/Penny/Gia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Oxana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Elina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Laura(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKylie introduces herself as an 18yo findom creator who has earned ~$200K in 6 months.

QuoteJiren reveals she has been celibate for 4.5 years and is waiting until marriage. She is 24 and has been single for 7 years.

QuoteElina refuses to state her age on-stream, saying only "somewhere between 25 and 35."

OtherGia repeatedly disrupts the show and is asked to leave by Brian and Andrew at ~2:09. She refuses and argues; is threatened with police. Finally exits around 2:35.

OtherSelf-ratings round: Sazia rates herself face 10/body 10; acknowledges men would rate her 5-6. Oxana rates herself face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8. Laura rates body "infinity."

ControversyKylie reveals her ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500 cash, and stole her motorcycle. He has her name tattooed on his neck. Panel notes irony: a findom who financially dominates men was herself victimized financially by her ex.

ControversyFindom-to-bankruptcy moral debate: panel argues findom preys on men with psychological vulnerabilities (addiction, submissive tendencies) and can drive clients to bankruptcy or ruin. Kylie defends that clients consent and choose freely.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

All guests introduce themselves in order. Order: Kylie (18, AZ, findom/TikTok), Penny (18, AZ, findom), Gia (21, CA, ChatterBait/OF), Jiren (24, SF, Masters/celibate), Elina (model/actress, Moldova/LA, age refused), Andrew Wilson (40, The Crucible host), Oxana (46, Sacramento, matchmaker), Laura (37, FL, matchmaker/former model), Sazia (30, Kazakhstan/LA, QA + podcaster), Elora (36, influencer 400K subs).

Findom explained — how it works, income, clients

Kylie and Penny explain findom (financial domination): men pay women to be humiliated and controlled. Kylie earned ~$200K in 6 months; Penny ~$6-7K in 2 months. Clients range from professionals to lonely men. Panel debates ethics, whether it exploits mental illness, and whether findom women can find committed relationships. Andrew Wilson and Brian press on psychological effects on clients.

Narcissism and emotional abuse debate

Discussion of narcissism in relationships, emotional abuse patterns, and identifying manipulative behavior. Guests share personal experiences. Debate on whether findom attracts or creates dependent personalities.

Gia disruption and removal from show

Gia repeatedly interrupts and derails conversation. Brian asks her to stop; she continues. Brian and Andrew ask Gia to leave at ~2:09. She refuses and argues. Threatened with police call; finally exits around 2:35. Discussion follows about entitlement and inability to self-regulate.

Self-ratings round

Each guest rates their own face and body on a 1-10 scale. Notable ratings: Kylie face 9/body 8, Elina face 9/body 8, Oxana face 5 (makeup 6)/body 8, Laura face 8.5/body infinity, Sazia face 10/body 10 (self-acknowledged overestimate). Jiren declines. Discussion of objectivity vs. self-perception.

Dating marketplace and sexual market value (SMV)

Brian and Andrew discuss sexual market value, how women's and men's value changes with age, and how findom intersects with SMV (exploiting lonely/lower-status men). Matchmakers Oxana and Laura provide professional context on what clients seek.

Kylie TikTok review and ex-boyfriend story

Brian reviews Kylie's TikTok content on-stream, showing findom-related posts. Kylie reveals ex-boyfriend cheated on her, stole $7,500, and stole her motorcycle. Ex has her name tattooed on his neck. Older sister previously appeared on Whatever. Panel reacts to ex's behavior and the irony of a findom being victimized financially.

Findom Twitter/tweets review

Brian and panel review findom-related tweets and social media content from Kylie and others. Includes posts where findom creators mock their clients publicly. Panel reacts to content showing the psychological manipulation involved. Debate on whether public humiliation of paying clients crosses ethical lines.

Findom ethics debate — does it cause harm?

Deep ethical debate: is findom harmful to clients? Does it exploit mental illness (addiction, submissive tendencies)? Kylie and Penny argue clients choose freely. Brian and Andrew argue findom accelerates financial ruin. Matchmakers note they have seen findom victims in their professional work. Discussion of whether findom is different from other sex work.

Matchmaking industry and partner standards

Oxana and Laura discuss the professional matchmaking industry: how clients are vetted, what high-value men and women look for, and common deal-breakers. Laura discusses working with Millionaire Matchmaker / Patty Stanger. Both matchmakers share observations on how dating has changed with apps.

Patriarchy, age gaps, and dating economics

Discussion of traditional gender roles, age gap relationships, and the economics of modern dating. Andrew Wilson provides perspective from The Crucible framework. Matchmakers weigh in on what makes age gap relationships work or fail.

What do you bring to the table

Round-table: each guest articulates their value proposition in a relationship. Findom guests challenged on whether monetizing men is compatible with genuine partnership. Matchmakers discuss what balanced value exchange looks like.

Call to quit findom / closing discussion

Brian and Andrew urge Kylie and Penny to consider leaving findom. Argument: findom will damage ability to form genuine relationships and may attract wrong partner type. Kylie pushes back; Penny more receptive. Show closes with final thoughts from panel.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthe guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever Channel with that said without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name

Kylie/Penny/Giaage location and occupation go ahead okay my name is Kylie I'm 18 years old I'm from Arizona and I do findum and Tik

Kylie/Penny/GiaTok and you said 19 right 18 oh excuse me and you do findum yes okay what what's that for the people who don't

Kylie/Penny/Giaknow it stands for financial domination and it is basically where guys get off to sending money to a girl with nothing in

Kylie/Penny/Giareturn okay so what's uh what are some examples though cuz you'll do specific things right so like what's an example or two had guys that will pay to FaceTime me and they just want to be ignored like they just want to sit there

Kylie/Penny/Giaon the call while I'm like doing my makeup or like talking to my friends and whenever they talk I'll just like shut the f [ __ ] up and thenn that's like they like it yeah you ever give them like

Brian Atlasdisappointing disappointed looks yeah like you you like look at them like they're they're piece of [ __ ] yo Metra thank you for the uh

Kylie/Penny/Giamemberships uh okay what's some other stuff about fom yeah that that you might do um I have done two meetups mhm and

Kylie/Penny/Giathey basically just paid to take me shopping yeah in person okay and I did stomp on one guy balls before that was fun

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat nice okay um how much do you did he pay for that this was my first ever meet up so it was only like three grand but

Brian Atlasonly three grand only three grand okay uh so how many uh how many different uh

Kylie/Penny/Giapeople have procured your services different kinds of people no how how many people like I have no idea like hundreds yeah hundreds thousands

Kylie/Penny/Giathousand no idea okay all right and then what do you do on Tik Tok um I just I go live on there and I have multiple accounts like one of them I'll just post like my makeup or skincare and then I'll

Andrew Wilsonlink the product in the video and I'll make commission off of everyone that buys it okay well we'll we'll get into Kylie um so so that were clear Kylie I was just wondering when you say thousands

Andrew Wilsonyou said that that are you talking about thousands for the fendom service yes okay so so thousands of men will pay you

Brian Atlasto do things like that to them yes okay wait not the money well they maybe that's how much but thousands of men have paid you for this to kick them in

Brian Atlasthe balls no no just the finom oh yes whether like they sent you 20 or they sent you thousands thousands of men okay

Kylie/Penny/Giagot it what about you my name is Penny um I'm 18 years old and I'm from Arizona and I also do fom too also do findom

Brian Atlasokay um how many clients I suppose you have you had I have I just started so

Kylie/Penny/Gialike 10 20 but okay I've gained about 3,000 followers okay bom just on Twitter

Brian Atlason Twitter okay um wait so and did Kylie here get you into it yes yeah she inted you she's the pro yes okay uh what are some things

Kylie/Penny/Giathat you've done when it comes to the findom well me I haven't gone out and met any of them but oh yeah with her we did he took us shopping mhm and I

Kylie/Penny/Giausually just do voice messages bullying them calling them worthless like it's so F like send me money now I'm getting my

Brian Atlasnails done or something and do you uh is this like a strictly money sort of thing for you or

Kylie/Penny/Giado you actually like enjoy it too um doing it now I couldn't it's funny to me it's funny it's funny okay and uh is

Brian Atlasit is it what gets you out of bed in the morning no I just stood there just looking forward to stomping on the dude's balls

Brian Atlasyeah um okay all right uh we'll get into all that stuff uh and did you sorry did you say where you're from I might have missed that Arizona Arizona I got it okay also uh just just to just to make

Brian Atlassure you said your name is Penny yes okay like money yes okay all right and

Kylie/Penny/Giauh okay what about you uh hi guys my name is Gia I'm 21 years old I was born

Kylie/Penny/Giaand raised in California and I do a live stream um I live yeah basically I go

Kylie/Penny/Gialive on this platform called ChatterBait and I do of too so that's what I do all right what's the nature of uh the stuff

Kylie/Penny/Giayou do on o is it uh BG content uh it's explicit content so you shoot content with men yes okay gotcha uh how long you've been doing that for about like

Brian Atlassix to eight month yeah 68 months all right got it uh school for any of you are you guys in school at all or school no not CC Community College anything like that I'm yeah I'm going to start

Jirencollege really soon okay what do you want to study uh psychology all right yeah what about you my name is jiren I'm from San Francisco and I'm 24 years old

Brian Atlasand I am a recent graduate all right uh undergrad Masters Masters okay uh What fields customer

Jirenexperience that what was that the major or yes customer I've never heard that it's like a mix of or like Hospitality kind of or no it's like ux design sales

Jirenmarketing like a whole bunch of Entrepreneurship projects it's like all in one but that's what the major is called customer experience experience and that you said that's what your Masters is in what was your undergrad in my undergrad was in international

Elinabusiness got it okay what about you my name is Elina I am I would like to refrain from my age I'll I'll get into that but uh where are

Brian Atlasyou from I'm originally from mova but I live in LA okay and occupation oh model and actress model and actress okay uh and just so why why uh do you not want

Elinato share age I think it shouldn't matter what age I am uh because at the end of the day it's like my choice and um doing modeling and acting sometimes they get judged if you're older than the age you

Elinaportray pray so you usually have to say your age range so I can tell you my age range what what's your age range 25 to

Brian Atlas35 okay well so I have a bit of a uh objection on this so you said that when it comes to acting and modeling M you know you're going to get judged for your

Brian Atlasage but I mean the most famous and highly paid models and actresses their exact birth dates are publicly out there because they're famous

Brian Atlasbut so I'm a little confused here so you know Victoria Secret models famous actresses we know their their age this doesn't prevent them from getting work

Elinabecause they're already famous usually in the beginning they're kind of they you want always to be portrayed a certain way and I think it's still it's

Brian Atlasstill happening but so if your actual age prevented you MH from getting work why is it that that the most highly

Elinapaid women in the industry everybody knows their age not all of them um I know there are some that they'll still have a younger age on

Elinatheir Wikipedia page than their real age so not all of them uh I mean but and then also another

Elinapoint of confusion here so I'm assuming these acting and casting gigs they're going to get like a W9 right but that's after they hire you it doesn't really matter cuz it goes

Elinastraight to the payroll company so they don't really check your age usually in the casting process if they tell you

Elinalike oh I want this actress to look 25 and she looks 25 but she's 45 they'll be like you know she's like oh she's too

Elinaold because they know their age IMDb lawsuit there oh and there's an IMDb lawsuit for us uh for it showing

Brian Atlassomeone's age because they couldn't get castings anymore because of their age well I mean look I'll I'll tell you what I uh I told you before the show yes I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to get obviously we can't force you to uh reveal your age but it does tend to turn the audience against you if you refuse such a

Brian Atlasarbitrary uh question so I suppose proceed at your own risk but um so still uh I'm proceeding

Oxanaokay all right what about you my name is aana uh I'm from Sacramento California and uh 46 years old and I am a

OxanaMatchmaker and what gets me off is seeing two people in a happy relationship wait gets you it gets you off well we're talking about what gets

Oxanathem off so here you go well it doesn't get them off gets the money well for me it is absolute happiness to see two people United together in absolute

OxanaHarmony and love and working together and creating ideal Union all right uh how long you've been doing the matchmaking for uh a little bit over 30

Laurayears okay got it very cool all right uh what about you my name is Laura I am 37 years old I am also a professional

SaziaMatchmaker and I'm also a mother to two sets of twins and a wife okay all right what about you hi my name is Saia I'm from Kazakhstan I live in LA I am

Saziaengineer QA engineer and quity Assurance engineer yeah and you also what I also

Andrew Wilsondo podcast on YouTube okay age uh 30 30 yep 30 three Z three Z okay all right

Andrew WilsonI'm sorry too uh I didn't what what what did you say the name was Janaya sa z z

Brian Atlaswith a z s with a z no s s okay x a okay all right cool uh can you show me a photo idea later

Elorajust kid all right what about you hi my name is Elora and I am 36 years old but I'm looks like 29 I think

Elorahopefully and I'm full-time YouTube Tik Tok and Instagram influencer blogger and I have 400,000 uh subscribers overall yeah okay

Eloraawesome what kind of content do you do uh so I interview people uh most of them uh entrepreneurs uh businessman's uh it's more about

Brian Atlasimmigrants who uh came here and started from zero y okay uh my name is Brian Atlas I'm 35 years old over the hill has been

Andrew WilsonYouTuber uh from Santa Barbara Andrew Wilson what about what about you sir yeah my name is Andrew Wilson the host of The Crucible 40 years old I'm a um political analyst a

Brian Atlaspolitical saturnist occasionally I like to engage in debates and conversations all right welcome everybody so we're going to go around

TTS Readerthe table once more glavius donated $200 my sprinkler goes like

Brian Atlasthis comes back like this it's good uh glavius thank you man appreciate it that was that was a good one um thank you man uh so current

Brian Atlasrelationship status are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyu sex C terum whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead currently in a talking stage um all right uh how long how long's that been going on um like a month all right longest relationship

Kylie/Penny/Gialongest relationship was like a year and a half okay how long ago was that how long ago did we break up uh

Brian Atlassure yeah like three months ago 3 months ago okay 1.5 year relationship you've been in a talking stage for a year a

Brian Atlasmonth and a half a month a month okay all right two month uh little there all right who broke up with who in the

Unknownrelationship I broke up with him just refreshing on who I'm telling okay all

Brian Atlasright sorry go ahead I broke up with him uh why he cheated on me all right good times good times and uh how did you meet

Kylie/Penny/Giathe talking stage he dm'd me on Instagram was he one of your finom clients no okay no all right famous guy H he's

Brian Atlaslike kind of as followers on Tik Tok all right and uh talking and are you exclusive with him no so are there other guys in the

Kylie/Penny/Giapicture no but I like I just I don't really talk to guys that much like this is my only friend I don't really leave

Brian Atlasyeah wait you're dating her yeah no uh are you guys roommates housemates kind of kind of just like together yeah okay

Brian Atlasuh so from the point of the breakup is this the only guy you've been involved with I had one other boyfriend before him when I was like 16 oh I mean

Brian Atlaslike after the breakup um any uh like rebounds or anything no just him okay just this new guy the talking stage yes okay orientation

Brian Atlasstraight straight what about you what was the questions current relationship status oh single single how long you

Brian Atlasbeen single for since May May so got to do the math here it's a what four months five months four months longest

Brian Atlasrelationship nine months nine months all right and uh any guys in the picture

Brian Atlascurrently um yeah how many just one just one all right uh how long you been seeing this guy

Kylie/Penny/Giaum we've known each other for a while but we haven't like started talking talking till like a couple weeks ago till a couple weeks ago okay uh you guys

Brian Atlasboth live in the same city or is this long distance yeah same city all right and uh how did you guys meet friends of friends okay got

Kylie/Penny/Giait what about you single oh single for about like three yeah three months three months all right

Brian Atlaslongest relationship two years was that the one that ended 3 months ago no all right uh your most recent relationship how long was that one a

Kylie/Penny/Giamonth one month or like no it was actually like a year a year actually actually a year and a year and a half probably wow that the length of that relationship increased pretty

Kylie/Penny/Giadramatically from a month to a year and a half um I was like I was thinking I was remembering like other talking like talking stages like that's why yeah so

Brian Atlasuh single for three months you do uh do you do traditional adult content yeah so like

Brian Atlasnot just for not just like of content but you'll do like content for for like the major companies or whatever uh no no

Brian Atlasnot like that all right um the men that you were in a relationship with did you shoot content with them no no okay oh yeah and just uh

Brian Atlasorientation orientation stra straight straight okay what about you my current status is single I've been single for 7

Jirenyears now and my longest relationship was for a year and I am straight one year you said yes okay been

Brian Atlassingle for seven years so since you're like 18 basically yes okay uh in that seven-year period have you seen anybody in any capacity yes a couple talking

Brian Atlasstages but nothing serious what's the longest period during the seven years about a year oh and that wasn't when was that that was last year

Brian Atlasyou were seeing somebody for a year but you've been single for seven years no talking stage for a year were you guys monogamous yes in the end but in the beginning no how how uh how much of the

Brian Atlasyear were you guys monogamous 6 months 3 months maybe nine months wait nine months of the relationship you were monog monogamous

JirenExcuse me yes and when you say was it was it on again off again it it was long distance no it was the full year we were like

Jirenexclusive for the 9 months and then before then it was like open to dating other people if but still seeing each other yes for the last three months for the first three months for the first

Brian Atlasthree months yes and then who initiated the conversation about making things monogamous was it both of you was it you him him him okay and during that

Jirenconversation did he say like the title or anything like boyfriend girlfriend or no he just wanted me and him to talk to just each other would you guys hang out o at least

Brian Atlastwice to three times a week and you've been single for seven months or Sorry Sorry Seven Years yes but as recently as a year ago you were exclusive with a guy for n months and you hung out three to four times a week

Brian Atlasyes so your boyfriend no I'm sorry but how is this not de facto your boyfriend we didn't call it that but you

Brian Atlaswere exclusive you guys hung out frequently yes I mean what's that saying like a something by any other name is I don't

Jirenknow how it good yeah like a situation situationship an exclusive situationship

Brian Atlasyes it's like perfect situation well you haven't been single for seven years technically yes uh okay hold on so okay

Brian Atlasif a guy were to come up to you while you were in your monogamous phase MH with this guy MH and he was like hey I'd like to take you on on a date M would you say that yes I'm single I

Brian Atlaswould like to go on a date with you I would say no I'm talking to somebody right now so you weren't single then

Brian Atlasno okay all right um I'm trying to think here uh and you when did this seven-year relationship end in

Jirenthe end of 20 or sorry not I'm sorry not one-ear relationship yeah that was the one-year relationship okay wait the 2017 one or the one we just talked about now I'm confused uh wait you've

Brian Atlasbeen single for how long again well you said seven years at seven years so when did that one the the onee thing when did that end the recent one is that the recent one the recent one which one are you talking about I'm

Brian Atlastalking about you're talking about the Oney year one back in high school yes I'm talking about the more recent one the more recent one it's how many recent ones have there been just that one just

Brian Atlasthat one just that one any three six nine month ones in there no okay uh how how recently was that one that was it's

Brian Atlasbeen oh a year yeah it was a year ago a year ago okay yeah and have you been celibate for a year no it's been four

Brian Atlasand a half years now wait hold on you dated a guy M for a year mhm but you didn't have carinal

Jirenknowledge with him we talked about it but he was okay with it wait you talked about having carnal knowledge sex yeah but he didn't know at

Brian Atlasfirst and I told he didn't know what at first about sex yeah well he he didn't know what that was he missed out in health class he was absent but I told

Brian Atlashim and then how wait how soon into the did you tell really early it was really early like maybe a month then oh okay and so you're waiting till marriage then

Brian AtlasI'm assuming yes okay hasn't always been the case though no okay got it all right what about you in a relationship all right uh oh

Elinawait uh okay how long you've been together three years we met at a in a dating app or at a date in a dating app in a dating on a dating

Brian Atlasapp the league the league I haven't heard of that one okay it's for professional professional people I guess I don't know oh okay like in the entertainment industry no no the

Brian Atlasopposite actually oh like Finance or Finance insurance and interesting and so uh longest relationship 3 years so

Brian Atlasyou're current current one yeah it's my longest one uh right three years current uh longest one

Oxanaum H okay what about you uh married what was the question married yeah married for 8 years been together for 10 years

Laurathis is the longest relationship all right happily married happily married okay cool what about you also happily married um we've been together 3 and a half

Saziayears and longest relationship 6 years all right what I I'm single uh longest

Saziarelationship 3 years I broke up last year so one year I'm single all right are you on any dating apps hinge hinge but I haven't used yet I just have profile

Elorathere all right what about you uh I've been married uh 5 years and we broke up

Brian Atlas2021 so you're divorced divorced yeah divorced so uh for three years or so uh five years well you you were together

Elorafor 5 years right yeah we were you were married for how long uh 5 years and then together and or you got married

Eloraright and then together six years okay got it all right and divorced about 3 years ago uh about yeah 3 years ago all right any uh and you're currently single

Brian Atlasuh right now I'm single yeah single okay and any guys in the

Elorapicture you dating someone uh no talking to

Eloraanybody uh I said myself like I'm busy too busy but uh relationship status no I'm single actually like uh you know it

Eloraseems like I'm busy I'm saying myself but uh I think if I meet someone uh and I feel him and like uh

Elorayou know connection maybe yeah maybe we we will start something yeah are you currently talking to a guy no

Elorahooking up with a guy um yes so hooking up means having sex

Brian Atlascorrect oh hooking up in no the question what was the question hooking up um no actually so but you said yes originally

Brian Atlasby hooking up so what what do you mean by hooking up

Brian Atlasuh I I think I Mis misunderstand you actually are you currently in communication with a man who you are

Brian Atlasromantically interested in no oh okay so just misunderstanding I guess okay all right Andrew what about you what about you

Brian AtlasAndrew yeah I'm um happily married have been for well over a decade all right that's everybody's current relationship status so uh let's see I want I will I

Brian Atlasdo want to get into the findum stuff that's interesting perhaps in just a moment uh I think that uh one thing I wanted to talk about and maybe if nobody knows about it we won't talk about it

Lauraanybody know what's going on with this Bachelorette thing does anybody watch that no slightly like a couple episodes I watched like the mental all thing anybody Okay then if not enough people

Brian Atlason the panel know then I'm not I won't get into it this is totally not dating related but humor humor me for like 30 seconds I saw this really crazy thing that that tripped me out and the chat

Brian Atlasthe viewers you can try this too not dating related at all but I want everybody at the table to try it so so

Brian Atlascan you Circle a one of your one of your fingers forward and one of your fingers

Elinabackward at the same time I tried I not I tried yeah no no no so so it's like oh oh yeah oh no I can't no I think I can

Brian Atlasoh wow she's got it wait hold on she's I I think she has it there I think no so so this this is the same way

Brian Atlaswhat the [ __ ] are you guys doing this is the same way Andrew try it it's actually really hard like your brain can't do it except I can do it because I figured it

Brian Atlasout your brain kind isn't it yeah I can do I do [Music] yeah Andrew do this try it Andrew do

Brian Atlasit I did no you're doing I think you're doing the same way she's she's got it she's a pro have you

Brian Atlasbeen practicing no she's she got that quick never heard of that before so actually try by the way guys so it's not this oh wait it's not hold

Brian Atlason I can't even it's not this it's not this it's this so like a circle you trying so one

Brian Atlasgoes uh one goes clockwise I guess the other goes so basically opposite directions mhm I don't know I saw it it took me like three hours to figure it

Andrew Wilsonout Andrew did you try it Andrew I couldn't do it man no way it's hard anyways yeah you'd have to you

Brian Atlasyou'd have to practice it Okay anyways not at all dating related but thought we should bring that up so let's

Brian Atlasget into the findom stuff quickly here um what's uh what's the going rate what do you

Brian Atlasmean what do you mean so if what what's like a common request what's the go-to

Kylie/Penny/Gialike In-N-Out number one request maybe like pictures of me holding up the loser sign or like my middle

Kylie/Penny/Giafinger um at most I will send like a picture of my my feet if they pay for my pedicure and do you um would you ever date any of

Kylie/Penny/Giano why that's that's weird a lot of these guys are also in relationships as they're sending me money so like I would not want to date them and then find out

Kylie/Penny/Giathat they're sending other girls money if that Mak wait how how they tell you that they're in

Kylie/Penny/Giarelationships why wouldn't they just have their girlfriends do it I don't know their girlfriend's probably normal and Norm not mean to them but they secretly want a girl that's mean to them but they don't want to like tell their girlfriend that what

Kylie/Penny/Giapercentage of men do you think are into the fum stuff honestly a lot I've had some like really successful guys do this on the low one of the first guys I met up with

Kylie/Penny/Giahe was a D1 college football player for Seattle I had signed an NDA but he's like 6'4 he's built he's attractive he can get girls but he still wanted me to stomp on his balls so stomp on yeah that was the

Kylie/Penny/Giaguy D1 Seattle mhm what position did he play I I didn't really care that much I didn't talk to him that you said he was 6'4

Brian Atlasyes conventionally attracted wait but so I mean isn't is that different than Thum though I mean that isn't that like uh that's

Brian Atlasmasochism right like he paid you for it but I thought Thum was like it was uh they're part of cuz like a guy could pay you for some like kinky sexual favor MH

Brian Atlasbut like findum the Kink is specifically to do with the money it's like take my money it's like it's hard to kind of explain but they want you to siphon off

Kylie/Penny/Giatheir money kind of yes yeah so he had the fom too or he just wanted to be domed um he also do you know what a [ __ ]

Kylie/Penny/Giais kind of but what so explain that so I don't know I guess he like gets off to wearing makeup and like dressing in like like girly outfits so I also

Kylie/Penny/Giawhat I also did that for him but I can't I couldn't post it because he didn't want his face shown that's that's

Kylie/Penny/Giacrazy so you he would dress in women's outfit like what kind of women's outfits um there was this really like tight dress that it was like this pink tight

Lauradress that he wore um damn is it just to be embarrassed like they got off on being embarrassed right or like shamed I honestly don't even understand what half of this stuff is it's like I I will

TTS Readernever understand it so it's weird did you buy him the dress no he came packed fake plus trees 21 donated

TTS Reader$199.99 Andrew we need you to help secure the future of the nation before any of these Geniuses procreate in it Priority his brother

Brian AtlasH uh fake trees 21 thank you uh thank you for that message man yeah appreciate appreciate the support to whatever very

Brian Atlaskind of you thank you thank you for that uh so he came packed with a pink dress uh how much how much does a ball stepping cost well like I said it was the first meet so oh that the first one

Brian Atlaswas like three grand for me to do his makeup and stomp on his balls and you've since upped your prices I I imagine what what's what's that now um I mean the

Kylie/Penny/Giarecent one we did we was like a tag team yeah yes I invited her with me he spent three grand like just at the mall taking a shopping and then another two grand

Brian Atlasjust in cash for for what though to take a shopping that was it oh like okay you spent three grand on like clothes or some [ __ ] and and then he just here's

Andrew Wilsontwo 2K in for each of you or to get total um toal she just kind of tagged along with me and just he got a whole new wardrobe because of it um so Kylie

Andrew Wilsonlet me ask you uh just want to make sure you said you have thousands of these guys how long have you been doing this again um I started in like March cuz

Andrew Wilsonyou're only eight you're only 18 right is what my notes say I started in March of this year you you started in March of this year yeah how is it

Kylie/Penny/Giapossible that you have thousands of customers when you only started in March I'm really good I am I was when wish tender was the payment method that all of the foms use

Kylie/Penny/Giathere's like thousands of girls on there I was top 10 consistently every month H wow interesting so like you're you're dealing with like multiple I mean you

Brian Atlaswell you would be averaging eight clients a day right yeah well you wouldn't meet up with all of them right no I've only met up with three actually in person yes so her

Brian Atlasclients are just like over the Internet yeah they're just sending you money essentially yeah I just wake up to like 10 people sending me coffee what did you do today any like you're a piece of [ __ ] today oh yeah that's like every morning

Andrew Wilsonthat's your go-to she'll just hear me like voice messaging now are you are you personally responding to these men or do you have somebody that assists you with that no it's all me it's all you okay yes

Kylie/Penny/Giahuh what's uh and do you have like sugar daddies too no have you ever done sorry go ahead they're called pay Pig so it's like the opposite of a sugar daddy they don't get

Andrew Wilsonany sugar they just send you money yeah how it should be mhm are are most of these people from the United States do you think um yeah mostly for

Andrew Wilsonme okay so thousands thousands of men with a fendom kink and they happen to and and

Andrew Wilsonyou're dealing with like up to averaging maybe eight nine 10 of these guys a day yes and it's all for the purposes of

Andrew Wilsonfemdom not for anything else yes okay so they're not they're not dming you and just being like hey what's up here's a coffee like your work they're dming you for an actual service

Kylie/Penny/Giaof some kind um no a lot of them just get off to sending the money and leaving like they'll send money and never DM me or talk to

Andrew Wilsonme okay okay so so they're supporters but so when we're asking this question we're talking about an actual the actual service itself like the thing that you do whether it's you know sending him a

Andrew Wilsonmessage then ignoring them something like that um it's pretty common for creators to just have supporters send them things right whether they're in your industry or another industry so how how many men would you say you actually

Andrew Wilsonrender a service for like you're speaking to them or you do something with them or to them or whatever I mean like five a day I'll

Brian Atlassend like voice messages or like videos of what I'm doing gotcha and have you done any

Brian Atlasescorting is it like having sex with them or what well not not necessarily them like no but have you done

Brian Atlasescorting no okay have you gone on dates with guys and they pay you for the dates no I mean like I've gone on a date

Andrew Wilsonwith a guy and he paid for the date but he didn't pay me to go on the date with him okay I see all right now that's um by my math here if you're averaging what five a day it's uh

Andrew Wilson1,825 men per year does that sound about right that you actually or speaking with or doing something with yeah

Brian Atlasokay and so uh what's the most that you've ever received from a guy at once um yeah at

Kylie/Penny/Giaonce um I did a cash meet in La he gave me 7 grand in cash and then bought me and my friend Prada

Brian AtlasBags huh um okay how much are pra bags I don't know so I got the bag and the wallet so it was like four

Brian Atlasgrand okay so like 11,000 total yes okay and that's the most in one time what's like the most cuz I'm sure there's guys who send you yeah what's the most total

Kylie/Penny/Giathat you've received from one guy from one guy yeah online was 10 grand it was a live stream he just sent like 10 grand well he started off with like hundreds

Brian Atlasand then he went to a, then 2000 but was this over the course of like weeks no this was in like an hour oh in one okay what about like but did he send you that much again like a different day no he just like dropped

Brian Atlasthat off and then I never spoke to him never spoke to him again okay uh and that's the most total though from one person yeah from one person even though it was just like the one day it was the most total because there's maybe been

Brian Atlasguys that you've talked to that they were sending you money for six months but they'd send you like a hundred bucks here 100 I honestly don't remember okay and what do you think uh

Brian Atlasthe total amount you've made from this is um I made six figures my first three months doing it so like that's 100,000 all the way up to

Brian Atlas999,000 so exactly 100,000 after my 3mon mark okay but you've been doing it for 6 months yeah now so you've made you think it's about the same the most recent 3

Brian Atlasmonths yes so you've made about 200,000 uh in 6 months yes about 18 years old 6 months so you're looking at

Brian Atlasmaybe 400,000 for the year maybe let's hope okay fingers crossed all right um so uh I'm kind of curious though how it

Brian Atlasactually looks so um I want you to pretend that Ana back here is a is a pay Pig a s a uh thin dumb client of yours

Brian Atlasand I want you to talk to to Ana back here how you would talk to one of these guys go ahead can I talk to you like that I don't want to talk to her like that talk to me like that no okay go

Andrew Wilsonahead all right you can do it to me go ahead okay well no no no hang on hang on hang on hang on a second Kylie you can't actually do this to Brian you may not know this but the only way to make Brian

Andrew Wilsonsuffer is if he has to hear you talk like that to another woman and since you're a femom and you want to make him you have the maximum amount of suffering this is the way that you do

Kylie/Penny/Giathat that was beautiful sure okay good morning loser good morning send me my coffee you dumb piece of

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I'm waiting here you go beautiful Anise is kind of liking her I don't know she's going to be one of your clients now she's going to hit you up does she get a discount is there a girl

Brian Atlasdiscount a girl discount will you give Ana a discount I've had girls actually send me money too okay it's weird do you think I I could uh like get girls to like men you got to let me there are

Kylie/Penny/Giathere are guys that do this they've been I don't have the leader boards you have to be very jacked you have to be jacked yeah like look like an alpha

Brian Atlasmale damn bro roasted uh okay I I can't do it boy you know what challenge accepted there's any women out there who want to be fumed I will do it I think I have the

Oxanavoice for it I think I have a voice for it I can explain you why uh women wouldt your mic down please yeah tilt tilt your mic down go ahead explain you why women

Oxanawouldn't do it so the type of guys that she's dealing with they are trying to they're trying to avoid intimacy um being hurt really really badly

Oxanathroughout their uh childhood so for them it is pushing the intimacy away and trying to compensate it financially and usually men who higher level financially

Oxanaand very accomplished they would have they would be avoidant now with women why women wouldn't be paying for something like this about 75% of women

Oxanathey have anxious attachment they need to uh be fulfilled and um uh have

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TTS Readerhyperbole we need brain power comparable to yours or idiocracy will be a non-fiction film examples on screen I'm more of a sound garden guy to

Brian Atlasbe honest but uh Pearl Jam I don't know radio head I I like it but I don't know creeps good I guess anyways uh

Brian Atlasthank you Plastic Trees appreciate it man uh where were we you were explaining why the women don't do it could it could it also just be that uh it's kind of not

Brian Atlasreally within the purview of their sort of natural role I mean I know this fit like it's not natural to this degree but men are naturally providers and like the

Brian Atlasidea of a woman like financially G giving money to a man is like kind of disgusting to them but like for a guy

Brian Atlasthere is some inclination to give women money from a provider mind well there is pathetic there is a difference between being a between being a provider and uh

Oxanawanting to I actually feel really really sorry for these guys that customers um I mean it is very very deeply Hur uh man Andrew he is a

Oxanaprovider but would he is it something that he would be looking something to be done like this to him I mean he's a provider for his family but he has a connection with his wife they have the

Oxanabonds they are supporting each other so I mean it is uh has nothing to do with being a provider well I mean I'm I'm not saying that men hold on I mean that's not really what I'm trying to say here I'm just

Brian Atlastrying to say perhaps the reason it's more common one of the reasons it's more common common am among men because I think men tend to lean towards an in

Oxanainclination towards providing sure how many men uh after they provided for her stuck around none childhood they yeah they gave her money and disappeared so

Laurait has nothing to do with the being a provider for her I'm sure she has repeat clients though she said they're paying money and they disappearing she no but they I think they come back I think it's an addiction that these guys have as

Laurawell like I think what you're saying is true but it's an addiction like obviously in in matchmaking like we I mean I represent very very wealthy guys like top 1% like they come to us I work

Laurawith the Millionaire Matchmaker so they're paying 50,000 to work to get like a serious relationship so some of them will actually say no cuz they're I mean they're not like in the realm of

Lauradoing this however I think it's like an addiction to spend money and feel like oh my God like I don't have this money anymore and it's like I think what Brian's saying about the providing it's

Andrew Wilsonsort of like let's put the guy in his Place men give money so so Laura Laura would you say then that aana is incorrect about this that that uh there

Laurais a provider element and she's just she's kind of off base there I mean I think it depends how you define provider so I think she's defining provider in the sense of like a husband providing

Laurafor his wife like these aren't those guys but these guys do feel that like they need to give money to women and that's like their only purpose that's how they can feel useful they get shamed doing it and they definitely have low

Lauraself-esteem and like psychological issues but I think it's just how you define provider but what is a dream Force for them to do something think these men are being taken advantage of that's what I see taken advantage of

Oxanayeah I think they're being taken advantage of they let them do it I think that they can they don't feel like they were taken advantage of they just don't know how it is like they're

Brian Atlaspushing I I feel like these isms are not directed towards you but you're saying that these men are being taken advantage of and abuse mental it's not physical

Kylie/Penny/Giamental the findom thing uh yeah do you guys have a response to this I think they're grown men consenting to this and

Kylie/Penny/Giaalso submissive men just exist like it's if a guy wants to be kicked in the balls or if he wants to be spat on or just talk down Le I think for aown a little

Kylie/Penny/Giabit I don't anything wrong with that and because because it's not socially normal they have to come on the internet and find girls like me to do it to them cuz they're too scared to tell their girlfriends that I want to go home also

Elinathey like the Damsel in Distress effect and younger girls they're more attracted to give them money as like oh she's a dsel in distress like she needs the money she's young I don't

Kylie/Penny/Giaknow like like I've just sold screenshots of my bank account and they like get off to like oh my God you're so rich and you're 18 and and like I just brag about how much money I make to them but they like it they want videos of me

Brian Atlasjust bragging that I'm richer than them interesting because the time wait does your by the way uh if you feel like uh Kylie here is resembles a previous panelist your sister was on the show

Brian Atlasyeah I think about uh seven eight months ago does she do this too I think we talked about maybe on the show but does she do the findum stuff I I I put her on she does do it but for only fans it's

Kylie/Penny/Giajust it's managed for her so she can just send pictures and videos and they do all the work for her this I do it all myself like I text them all myself and I don't think she's used to that so she just doesn't go on it enough yeah for it

Laurato work you have to be consistent like every day I see and this is not part of the only fans I just don't know it's not part of only fans separate yeah where do you guys get your clients like what do

Brian Atlasyou do Twitter Twitter wait can you guys oh my gosh I kind of want to look uh can you guys write for me how do you

Kylie/Penny/GiaMarket that yeah how do you Market they what they pay you on Veno like what I don't understand it's a lot of third party apps you've probably never heard

Kylie/Penny/Giabut like wish tender Throne yeah for marketing no get paid on specifically uh okay so you think it's

Brian Atlastaking advantage of them oh yeah I think it's like yeah oh can you just write your both of your uh tweets tweets Twitter Twitter hand write your

Brian AtlasTwitter handles down I just want to take a look see see what I find um and then uh I guess you could do you have a Twitter too uh I don't use Twitter you

Brian Atlasdon't use Twitter okay all right uh so wait actually I think I do I don't know yeah wait really quick just because it came

Kylie/Penny/Giato mind G uh you shoot scenes with men correct no oh wait no just this you said that no I didn't we can replay the scene I didn't say that huh I never said that oh I

Kylie/Penny/Giaasked if you do BG content boy girl content you don't do boy girl solo content then no I do well solo like well yeah by yourself well yeah well not

Andrew Wilsoncontent I just go live like I don't I have no content wait don't you do o yeah thank you but I haven't posted anything oh so you're yeah you did you did say

Andrew Wilsonthat you do live explicit content right yeah with what does that mean like I go live in my bathing suit but no I asked if you do it with

Elinamen no did am I getting gas L here no she did say we can go back I no she did say she does but maybe you misunderstood I understand like I hear

Andrew Wilsoneverything yeah bro well the question was boy girl the question was boy girl content and the answer was yes boy girl content but maybe you misspoke do you do it with another mail or do the let's

Kylie/Penny/Giajust watch you I don't do it with anyone I I'm oh independent like I do everything so this would be safe on Twitch do you stream on Twitch I have

Andrew Wilsonbut you said you do it on chat I game yeah so it's nude I do game it what is it nude what's that nud the word n no naked naked but it's on well that doesn't sound That explicit

Kylie/Penny/Giathen so you're you don't do new content or you do do but so why you on ChatterBait then cuz you can basically stream whatever You' like to there's no like you don't sign a contract of EX

Kylie/Penny/Gialike you don't have to like do explicit if you don't want to I mean that's certainly possible that you could I sing so that's what I on chatter bait

Brian Atlasyeah all right um are you a soprano or Alto or something else uh acous I do acoustic singing like yeah no what so

Brian Atlasare you a soprano I just started so like I'm not like so you don't sing I do okay I write music too two his songs so you have original music let's hear it go ahead original yeah like what do you mean you

Kylie/Penny/Giasaid you sing let's hear some let's hear some singing wrot I you I have like I have you have my phone my lyrics are on the phone so you haven't committed the lyrics to memory how about you just sing

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