$20,000,000 MINIMUM To Date HER?! ACCUSED OF MlSOGYNY?! Brian DEBATES Feminist! | Dating Talk #262
Date: 2025-09-29
Duration: 9h 26m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Donations/TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_03Bina(guest)
SPEAKER_05Marca(guest)
SPEAKER_06Iris(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Stephanie(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kelsey Risk(guest)
SPEAKER_12Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_13Felicity(audience)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:30
IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, education, location
00:14:40
RelationshipRelationship status round. Bina broke up 3 days ago (5th time). Emily engaged 8 years.
00:17:00
Key MomentBina explains her ex was a nepo baby whose father is a famous actor
00:31:40
Key MomentKelsey shares devastating divorce story - husband left saying 'everyone else is living my life for me'
“Met my ex-husband in 2017, married in 2018, and he decided to walk away in 21.”
00:39:40
ControversyEmily criticizes show for rage bait, launches central feminism debate
01:02:00
ControversyCena says she would side with China over Canada/US in hypothetical invasion
01:26:30
ControversyBina claims majority of men are weirdos and creeps
“The majority of men are weirdos, creeps.”
01:51:00
ControversyBina and Marca demand minimum $10-20M yearly husband income
“The minimum is at least like 10 to 20 million.”
01:58:20
Key MomentBina admits to 10 sugar daddies paying $10K/month each
02:17:00
Key MomentBrian proposes $1M bet that Bina/Marca won't make $10M/year in 10 years
02:28:00
QuoteKelsey gives modest $50-60K minimum: 'I understand compounding interest'
03:55:00
ControversyBina claims 50% of men would rape if given the opportunity, walks back to 5-10%
04:59:00
Key MomentBrian rates most of the panel as 'average at best'
06:01:40
Key MomentKelsey delivers powerful Christian message about self-worth referencing Psalms 139
07:51:40
OtherMarca tells harrowing story of being pistol-whipped and carjacked
08:25:50
Key MomentKelsey's heartwarming story of ex asking parents to hold her hand at drive-in theater
“He leans over to my parents and he asked them, 'Can I hold your daughter's hand?'”
09:25:00
OtherShow wrap-up. Brian promises next show October 5th.
Topics Discussed
00:03:30
Guest Introductions
All guests introduce themselves. Notable: Emily the funeral director/embalmer, Kelsey's 3-generation chocolate business.
00:14:40
Relationship Status Round
Bina broke up 3 days ago (5th time). Emily engaged 8 years (16-year age gap). Kelsey divorced after husband left in 2021.
00:31:40
Kelsey's Divorce Story
Ex-husband left saying 'everyone else is living my life for me.' Found in Florida with married 22yo. Told her they were 'never really married.'
00:39:40
Emily vs Brian: Feminism Debate
Emily criticizes show for rage bait. Massive debate on feminism, military draft, voting rights, selective service, hypothetical China invasion.
01:23:20
Bina: Majority of Men Are Creeps
Bina claims majority of men are creeps. Claims 50% would rape if given opportunity (walks back to 5-10%). Brian compares generalization to racism.
01:50:00
Minimum Income Requirements
Bina/Marca: $10-20M. Iris: $100K. Cena: $400K. Stephanie: $1M. Kelsey: $50-60K. Felicity: $150K. Brian proposes $1M bet against Bina/Marca.
01:58:20
Sugar Daddy Romance Scams
Bina admits to 10 sugar daddies paying $10K/month each. Calls it 'finessing' - selling fantasy of interest. Brian calls it a romance scam.
03:51:40
Man vs Bear Debate
Bina picks bear (claims 50% of men would rape). Brian argues picking bear is sexist using race analogy.
04:40:00
Looks Self-Ratings
Bina 8.5, Emily refuses, Marca 8.5, Iris 10, Cena 6, Stephanie 10, Kelsey 5, Felicity 6. Brian says most are 'average at best.'
07:10:00
Body Count Discussion
Marca: ~13. Cena: 3. Stephanie: 3. Kelsey: 1 (ex-husband only). Felicity: 2. Bina refuses (claims monthly reborn virgin).
07:51:40
Marca's Carjacking Story
Marca was pistol-whipped and carjacked in San Fernando Valley. Ex-boyfriend's secret tracker in her car helped police recover it.
08:14:00
Iris Names Abusive Ex (John Moss)
Iris publicly names ex as streamer John Moss (7M TikTok). Gave up modeling to be housewife, used for domestic servitude.
08:28:20
Emily: Catholicism and Abortion
Emily is Catholic but pro-choice. References 10yo Ohio girl who came to Indiana for abortion. 'Cafeteria Catholic' concept.
08:41:40
Facts vs Feelings / Immigration
Emily argues feelings trump facts (funeral director experience). Brian pivots to immigration, Mexico's Article 33, deportation.
09:23:20
Show Wrap-Up
Brian summarizes traditional nuclear family position. Next show October 5th. Asks Cena to stop doing OnlyFans.
Transcript
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02:53:59
Brian Atlas>> Chat GPT. Do you still have the chat GPT tab? I think that's the more solid argument for >> just type in the prompt. Uh what what
02:54:10
Brian Atlaspercentage of 40 year olds have a net worth of 10 million? >> 40-year-old women. >> No, just men. >> Oh, >> I mean it could just be
02:54:21
Kelsey Risk>> I thought you were saying for herself. >> Just a It doesn't have to be gender. Just across the board. >> So I have a question. So what if the guy is on track to make that? Yeah. So, like
02:54:31
Brian Atlaswe'll take the millionathetically >> really quick. Uh because it's extremely rare. Scroll down.
02:54:43
Brian AtlasNo, not that much for the age bracket. 40 to 49. The 90th percentile net worth top 10% 1.3 mil net worth. Uh
02:54:55
Brian Atlas>> that's US households. >> Top 1% of households.
02:55:04
Brian AtlasOkay. I don't know. Whatever. It's low. It's >> 1.1%. >> No, that was for all households, though, not 40 year olds. So, it's probably like 0 something. >> It said for 40 year olds. I I thought
02:55:16
Kelsey Riskthat's what I read. >> You You think most 40year-olds have 10 million? >> No, it says 1.1. That's not >> No, that No, no, no. That was for all. >> So, what if the guy was on track to make
02:55:28
Kelsey Riskthe 1 million? You meet him, you know, he's a 10 out of 10 and then you guys are discussing things and you're discussing finances and you find out
02:55:37
Kelsey Riskthat he's only making 750k a year. Only 750k a year, but you know his business, you know his ambitions, you see the vision and easily he could
02:55:47
Kelsey Riskget that within 5 to 10 years. Is he still a green flag or are you >> definitely eligible? >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, see see Brian, she's sitting there saying, >> because I think you do have to date and
02:55:59
Stephanieget to know somebody really well before you um marry them. I do I do agree on that. And I also um approach marriage as God willing. I do want to have kids, but um right only if if if uh God decides
02:56:12
Kelsey Riskthat that's a plan for me. So, I'm happy with you know, whatever I get out of my life. I'm super grateful for my journey. >> There you go. So, see, he could be on the pathway to that. He doesn't have to have it sitting in the bank account right then and show her a bank
02:56:24
Brian Atlasstatement. >> I still look I think for the majority of women, >> it will be delusional
02:56:33
Brian Atlasto want a guy. I don't care if he's 70 and that's his net worth. Like that's still
02:56:42
Brian Atlasmost men, majority of men are not going to have a $10 million net worth. Even if it's this, oh well, he can be on the path to making this much.
02:56:56
Brian AtlasThat's like less than 1% of men. Then the question it begets is, are you the type of woman that that man wants? It's you can want whatever you
02:57:10
Brian Atlaswant, >> but where it becomes unrealist Well, I don't know. I I'm not sure if I'd grant that, but it becomes unrealistic if you aren't the type of woman who would ever be able to secure that type
02:57:22
Brian Atlasof man. Like, >> you'll just be single forever then, I guess. So, then it's like, okay, do you lower your unreasonable, crazy standards? >> I wouldn't necessarily be single. I just wouldn't be married. >> Mhm.
02:57:36
Stephanie>> Do you want kids? >> Yes. >> Do you want to get married? >> Yes. But only to a guy who makes $1 million a year. >> No,
02:57:47
StephanieI like answered the question. Um, you know, to kind of like you put should. So that's how I feel like I should. what I, you know, if there was another guy that was showing
02:57:58
Stephanieme like all the other attributes that I want in um future father of my child, um you know, I would like I do want gener generational wealth for my children. So,
02:58:11
Stephanieyou know, and and I'm not able to provide that. So, I feel like if I do have kids, I would want to be able to provide them that. And if I if I can't, then, you know, I would honestly
02:58:21
Brian Atlasreconsider having kids. >> Hold on. But generational wealth, I mean that look, that's good if you can get it. >> It's not a wrong thing to want. But to
02:58:32
Brian Atlasthat for that to be your bare minimum, >> I is it's delusional. >> Why? >> It's delusional. >> Why? >> Look, here's what I see in the dating hellscape
02:58:45
Brian Atlasis look, what percentage of men make this much money? Okay, then we have to it's just
02:58:53
Brian Atlasmath, right? If 20% of women want 1% of men, unless you're you guys are prepared to leave like be polygamist, they would have to also want polygamy. They would also want
02:59:06
Brian Atlasto have you. That leaves x amount of women who just like it's purely math. If there's a million men that meet your standards,
02:59:17
Brian Atlasand there's 20 million women who want those one million men, 19 million of those women ain't going to get what they want.
02:59:27
Brian AtlasSo, what I see happening is obviously maybe maybe some women will be part of that 1 million that gets one of those 1
02:59:35
Brian Atlasmillion men, but it seems like I don't know. You got to be realistic with how you're
02:59:46
Brian Atlasgoing to approach this. I I it just the math isn't going to math. I I mean, there's no other way to explain it. There's just not enough of these highc caliber men
02:59:57
Brian Atlasor at least whether they're highc caliber or not that meet your threshold or criteria. There's not enough of them to go around. >> I I am curious if you're intending to
03:00:08
Emilymake a fair amount of money yourself and be very successful to give money to your kids. Um why would you want to make someone that or sorry I can't talk today. Why would you want to marry someone who makes even more? I don't
03:00:21
Brian Atlasknow. Just it strikes me as >> I say even more. I said I said the same amount that I'm going to make the same amount. >> Okay. Well, >> yeah. Twins hope you do. >> I mean, also as women make more money,
03:00:32
Brian Atlastypically that's not going to open up your pool of men. Like, for example, a guy who makes 10 mil, a guy who makes 10 million a year, >> he doesn't want some independent boss
03:00:45
Brian Atlasbabe who's going to be bossing it up and [ __ ] Maybe. By the way, I'm not speaking. I know. >> Hold on. I know. Okay, I'm speaking in generalities here. >> Okay, >> yes, there's going to be some dudes who
03:00:57
Brian Atlasare like, "Okay, boss, babe it up." But most men once they start making money, the your money matters less and less. >> Like, if a guy makes 10 mil a year,
03:01:07
Brian Atlas>> he doesn't give a [ __ ] about your money. >> He doesn't It doesn't matter. He's going to be looking for if he wants a more traditional dynamic. >> You being a boss babe is a is negative. It's a detriment.
03:01:20
Marca>> Yes. So then I probably honestly the chances of me ending up with a guy are really low. I'm probably going to end up with a female. >> Good for you. >> Yes. So like that won't even matter to me. I'm probably going to end up with a woman that's making the same amount of money because we have the same ambition.
03:01:33
Marca>> Okay. I'm not really talking about lesbian relationships here. I'm talking about what men want. >> I know. But I'm saying that that is that's like irrelevant to me cuz I'm pro I'm probably going to end up with a girl. So like it >> but your girl your girl probably isn't
03:01:45
Brian Atlasgoing to be making 10 mil either. >> You don't know that. I mean, look. Yo, old man Brian, what the [ __ ] Uh,
03:01:57
Brian Atlasthank you for the gifted. Did that pop up, Nick? Thank for the >> Oh, thank you for the gifted 20, man. Appreciate it. >> Uh, I'm not sure why it didn't go off. Sorry about that. Thank you for the 20, though.
03:02:08
Brian Atlas>> Again, it it's a it's not even a gender thing. You want a guy who has a net worth of 10, 10 mil a year, whatever it is, you're not going to you're just not going to get it. I'm sorry. It's not going to It's like
03:02:21
Brian Atlasvery unlikely that it's going to happen. >> You're not going to meet a woman who makes 10 mil a year. You're not going to meet a guy who And when I say meet, I mean like that's going to be the person you end up with. >> I rebuke it. >> Why don't you You rebuke it.
03:02:33
Brian Atlas>> Mhm. I rebuke. >> Why don't Here, look. Why don't average women want average men? >> I'm not average. >> I'm not average. I do. >> Okay, that's great. >> Well, you were.
03:02:46
Brian Atlas>> That's great. But we got we got multiple women here who no offense to y'all >> y'all average women. >> No, we do except >> I don't think I don't think really any
03:02:55
Stephanieof the women here are exceptional. None of y'all are exceptional women. >> What is exceptional to you? >> What is What is exceptional in your >> terms as a woman?
03:03:08
Brian Atlas>> I mean, I've gotten to know you guys a little bit, >> but not really. Like, you know that you're like sex worker adjacent. You finesse dudes. You scam them. Um, I mean, >> as should.
03:03:19
Brian Atlas>> As you should. Yeah, that's low virtue behavior. I mean, as you >> So, you think it's virtuous to scam men? >> I'm capitalizing off of them being weirdos.
03:03:32
Brian Atlas>> Hold on. So, just curious, what what's the threshold for what you can do to a weirdo? Can you murder them? >> Why would I murder anyone? >> Well, I'm just curious. So, because somebody's weird, like let's say they're
03:03:44
Binaautistic or whatever, should we scam like autistic people? >> Okay. When I say finesse, >> hold on. Why not though? >> Okay. I'm using weird and finessed in a in a >> bringing autism into this.
03:03:55
Bina>> It's a It's not being I'm not being like literal. I'm using like an expression that we use like I I don't know if you ever heard it, but like when I say weird, I don't actually mean weird. I
03:04:08
Brian Atlasmean like a pervert. And this man, this older man, >> two two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs don't make a right. >> It's a win-win. It's a win-win.
03:04:17
Brian Atlas>> Two wrongs do not make a right. So, it would be wrong of me to romance scam a perverted old woman. That would be wrong just inherently. It doesn't matter if
03:04:29
Brian Atlasshe's this perverted six-year-old woman. It would be wrong for me to romance scam her. >> It's not. >> It is wrong >> to you. for me to think this woman that I'm in love with her.
03:04:40
Bina>> No, they don't think I'm in love with them. These men literally Okay, then they just they think I'm attracted to them. >> You say you you make you mislead these men into thinking they have a chance
03:04:51
Brian Atlaswith you, whether it's about whatever. It would be wrong for me to mislead an older rich woman into letting her think that she whatever. It's not I'm not misleading her that I love her, but I'm
03:05:03
Brian Atlassaying, "Oh, yeah, we can be together. We can date." just so I can finesse money from her. That's wrong. >> I don't think so. Because it's a win-win. >> Explain to me why it's morally justified.
03:05:15
Brian Atlas>> She wants to give you the money. It makes her feel good to >> Hold on. Under the But it's fraud. Under the idea that we're in a that that I have a genuine interest in dating her. >> No, it's more of like, okay, I want you
03:05:28
Brian Atlasto come over and hang out with me. I'm going to give you $10,000 to come hang out with me. >> Wait, wait. Did you did you or did you not say that you lied to these men? >> Sometimes >> you lie to them. You you you give them the building. What was the term?
03:05:41
Brian Atlas>> Fantasy. >> You build the fantasy. You build the dream. >> Mhm. >> I mean, so for example, and you think it's fine, right? Do you think it's fine that men lie to women about their
03:05:52
Brian Atlasrelationship intentions to get sex? >> Um, yes. >> Wait, hold on. So, a girl wants to >> How is that a win-win for anybody? >> Wait, wait. So, is it yes, it's wrong or
03:06:04
Brian Atlasyes, it's okay. >> It's wrong >> for a guy to be like, "Hey, babe, I want to date you." And then once he gets sex to dip. Is that wrong or is that >> I mean, it's not cool.
03:06:16
Bina>> But it's wrong, right? I mean,
03:06:24
BinaI wouldn't say it's necessarily like wrong because the woman didn't need to sleep with him in the first place and you probably should get to know him more and like >> what if she got she got to know him for
03:06:35
Brian Atlastwo months and he was playing the game. He was just he was just wanting to get some [ __ ] >> That's not really cool to do to someone. >> Well, I so I think that that's wrong. I don't think you should mislead somebody about your intention. It's not a win-win
03:06:48
Binafor anybody is what I'm saying. It's a win-win for the older men with the younger girl. Like you, they're paying to hang out with a younger girl cuz normally a younger girl is not going to want to hang out. You're misleading
03:07:00
Binathem. And that's where it's morally objectionable. >> No, they know what it is. They know what it is. >> Then why would you need to lie to them? >> Cuz I don't think they're attractive and they don't want me to tell them you are
03:07:12
Brian Atlasso ugly and old. They don't want me to tell. You don't have to insult them, but you know that by misleading them into believe that they have a genuine chance with you, they're going to spend more money on you. >> You admitted
03:07:25
Bina>> in the beginning that I'm not going to fall in love with you and this is not going to be that. >> But then but you also admitted to lying to them. >> Yeah, >> you lied to them. >> That's what I want.
03:07:37
Brian Atlas>> But it's not I'm not I'm not saying that I'm going to like be in love with you and win for everyone. It just seems a little d a little
03:07:47
Brian Atlasquestionable, I guess. But um how did we what how did we get on this though? What were we talking about just before this? >> Like all the money or whatever. >> Mhm. >> These women wanting a bunch of money. >> Distract.
03:08:00
Kelsey Risk>> No men with money. >> I forgot. Um >> talking about how many men actually fit within >> I do not need anybody >> that realm of money. >> Yeah. and then meeting them and then being the wife material.
03:08:13
Brian Atlas>> Oh, the wife material stuff. Yeah. Anyways, we've lingered on the the money thing for quite a while now. >> Y'all crazy. Y'all crazy. Y'all crazy. Y'all
03:08:25
Brian Atlasaverage women don't want to deal with average men. And uh I don't know. I don't know. It's wild. Um okay, here we have pull that super chat. I'm gonna have Felicity read
03:08:38
Brian Atlasit. Uh, we'll we'll uh pull it in a moment. Wait, hold on. Let me do this one. Yo, old man Brian, thank you. There we go. Thank you for the gift to 20 men. Go
03:08:51
Felicityahead. >> Explain sexist bad, racist bad, misogynist bad, rape is bad, but feminist good, sus. Also, base hunter Dota Warcraft song.
03:09:03
Brian Atlas>> But all those things are bad except for feminism. So, I don't that's >> like that >> racism is bad. >> That does bring us back to the conver
03:09:12
Brian Atlasthe earlier conversation when I was describing the definitions of feminism and I gave my charitable excuse me charitable definition I said it's
03:09:22
Brian Atlaswomen's advocacy and then I gave my true definition which is women's advocacy advocacy and then baked in >> anti-male rhetoric misandry men hatred
03:09:34
Brian Atlasetc. You're like, I think both of you were like, "Well, who hurt you, Brian?" Hold on. Hold on. Let me just finish. You're like, "Who hurt you?" And then
03:09:42
Brian Atlasyou said something in essence. Uh, why do you care so much about anti-male rhetoric? >> I'm trying to What? Let me ask you a
03:09:54
Brian Atlasquestion. Do you think anti-female rhetoric is good or bad? >> I think it's bad. >> Okay. So, is anti-male rhetoric bad?
03:10:06
Marca>> I I didn't give you my definition. Answer my question. I think it's bad as well. I'm not a men hater. I've never said anything about hating men or being like I think I'm a feminist because I want to be equal to a man because in my society, I have never been equal to a
03:10:21
Brian Atlasman. >> You are equal. >> No, you're equal. Men do not see us as like equal figures. Like, >> do do you see men as equal? >> Do you think women? Yes. >> Do you think women are superior to men? >> No. I think we're Yes. I think we're equal. That's why when you were saying
03:10:33
Marcayour definition, I'm like, what are you talking about? That's not my definition of feminism. And you never asked me what my definition was. You just assumed. I just said it. We are >> I was giving you my definition.
03:10:45
Marca>> Okay. Yeah. But you just think that that's what like all women this is what feminism is to everyone. >> No, because I'm literally telling you that I am not a man hater. I do not hate men. I don't I I think I'm a feminism
03:10:57
Marcabecause because I want to be equal to a man. That's what feminism is. speaking up for women, womenhood, looking out for women. That's feminism. Like standing up for and being a voice.
03:11:08
Brian Atlas>> Do you think do you believe that there's a patriarchy? Do we have a patriarchal structure? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Do we need to dismantle the patriarchy? I
03:11:19
Emily>> think it's getting better. I think there are some systemic things still left over. When I talk about feminism, I'm critical of patriarchy. n't necessarily individual men because I know a lot of
03:11:30
Emilygood men in my life that I love and care about. But I do think sometimes there's bigger I think it's getting better though especially here in the US. I actually found a statistic that talked
03:11:40
Emilyabout men and women's pay gap and actually for it's I think 80% right now for men and women in the US but for 24 to I believe or no it was >> erroneous
03:11:54
Emily>> erroneous >> it let me look up the I did look it up but um either way there's an the young for younger people it's even smaller it's 95% so it's getting better so >> hold on there the pay gap is very new
03:12:05
Brian Atlasvery nuanced there's the controlled pay gap, the uncontrolled pay gap. When you address or when you factor in hours worked, type of profession, geography,
03:12:17
Brian Atlaswillingness to work overtime, willing to willingness to work hazard pay, willingness to relocate. Uh these are almost all things that there's a gap for in terms of men. Men work more hours.
03:12:29
Brian AtlasMen are more likely to uh work overtime. Men work more dangerous jobs when men go into industries that pay more. So if you actually control there is no wage gap. >> There are a lot of women that work a lot
03:12:42
Emilyof long hours jobs. >> Yeah. >> I mean my job I work probably about 60 to 70 hours a week on a bad week and then nurses work a fair amount of hours. I have
03:12:53
Brian Atlas>> Okay. So are you saying that I'm lying about the statistics? So the the the statistic this isn't fake. This isn't up for dispute. >> What website did you get yours from? Cuz I got mine from a different
03:13:04
Brian Atlas>> Hold on. Here's the here's the two stats I'm gonna debate you on. Men work more hours than women and men work more overtime than women.
03:13:15
Brian AtlasDo you dispute these two facts? >> I do. I think it depends on the profession. >> No, hold on. Yes, I agree. There is one individual w woman who we can Oh my god,
03:13:27
Brian AtlasI can't believe I have to get into the weeds like this. There's one individual woman I can find in the United States that works more than one individual man that I can find in the United States.
03:13:38
Brian AtlasThis my god, we're talking about generalities here. Generally speaking, men work more than
03:13:47
Brian Atlaswomen. They work longer hours. This is not up for dispute. the the bure I think it's the Bureau of Labor Statistics releases robust
03:13:59
Brian Atlasinformation on this. Yes. Are there is there a woman out there who works more than some dude?
03:14:07
Brian AtlasYes. But if we're looking across the board on average men work more hours than women. >> Once again I think it's down to the profession.
03:14:18
Brian Atlasacross all professions there's pro there's not one I I don't even understand that but across all professions men work more hours
03:14:29
Emily>> even for teaching because that's majority women and if you ask >> even if it was true even if it was true >> a lot of teachers do a lot of stuff outside the classroom >> even if it was true that if we're doing
03:14:41
Brian Atlasa per capita assessment because there's more women who are teachers uh if we were looking at the average of men versus women in this regard.
03:14:52
Brian AtlasWho knows even if we granted it that wouldn't diminish any of the other industries where men overwhelmingly like okay fine let's let's say that when it comes to teachers uh in that particular
03:15:03
Brian Atlasfield women work more than the men do. Uh okay well all the other fields men also work more hours that would outweigh and dwarf the teacher contribution to
03:15:14
Brian Atlasthis component. Are you just going to fake news this and be like, "No, women work more hours than men." >> Again, I think it depends on the type of job. So, >> what? Okay. Be be specific then.
03:15:27
Emily>> Okay. So, like when I said teaching, it's because the majority of teachers are women. So, >> um Okay. But then you would have to do
03:15:37
Brian Atlaslike a per capita assessment. So, are you saying that like if 90% of teachers are women and 10% are men? That's probably not the numbers. I'm
03:15:47
Emilyjust pulling it out. You're saying, well, we have to add up all the extra. Well, hold on. >> I'm just saying, >> wait, wait, wait, hold on. That doesn't even make sense. >> I'm bringing up professions that work a lot of hours. You think only men only
03:16:00
Emilywork in jobs that work a lot of hours, but there are some professions that women are more women dominated that also work a lot of hours. Um,
03:16:11
Brian AtlasI suppose it's conceivable in some sector that in some specific sector that women work more hours than men
03:16:23
Brian Atlas>> on on average. It's possible. I'm not even sure if that's the case because across the board for the average to actually be true, you would suspect
03:16:33
Brian Atlaswhat's most likely that across all sectors, men work more hours than women. Even if your point was true, do you think it defeats my point?
03:16:45
Emily>> Not necessarily, though. >> Okay. So, are you are we arguing that women work more than men? No, but I also don't think that men always work more than
03:16:58
Brian Atlaswomen. So >> that wouldn't that wouldn't disprove the central argument I've already granted
03:17:04
Brian Atlasyou that yes, it's possible that there are one, 100, a thousand, 100,000 women
03:17:13
Brian Atlasout there that do work more hours than some men. But I I'm trying I don't even know how to explain this to make it
03:17:24
Brian Atlascoherent to you. On average, men work more hours than women. Does that make sense? >> Yes.
03:17:35
Emily>> But there's also another nuance to it, which is if women aren't working as more hours, there's a lot of women who have to leave work early or not work as many hours to take care of kids. So, >> okay,
03:17:48
Emily>> that does contribute to that. Especially if you're working a career, you stop your career to have a kid, then you go back later. You're not going to be making as much as you would if you just never left your job.
03:17:59
Marca>> Well, that's why a company will hire a man over a woman because they factor in babies and kids. True. my I my Yeah, I've literally had talks with women about this that haven't got job
03:18:11
Brian Atlaspositions where they're way more qualified than men, but a lot of things are are like associated with >> I'm just curious though, like let's say your business is brutal and cutthroat.
03:18:22
Brian AtlasLet's say you're a small business and it's your money on the line. Your money you run a business is do you run the business? Do you own the business? >> No, I don't. you work for something, right? So,
03:18:33
Brian Atlas>> so it's like these small businesses often times the owners are look, sometimes the owners can reap quite substantially in terms of their income, but a lot of times they're [ __ ] hustling, you know, they're they're
03:18:46
Brian Atlastrying to do everything they can to stay afloat. And do you think like, you know, it's a good business move to
03:18:56
Brian Atlashire a woman who's like going to get pregnant in 3 months? Like, think about it from your perspective as a business owner. Well, I know you're not a business owner, but if you were a
03:19:07
Brian Atlasbusiness owner and you're like, "Shit, okay, [ __ ] I gotta fill this position and I don't want to have to spend three
03:19:16
Brian Atlasmonths having to train somebody new and like otherwise I go out of business and my family [ __ ] starves. Do you think it's a good business move? Like I know there's a bunch of legal
03:19:29
Emilyprotections in place. >> I was about to say you it gets to be a gray area with the American with Disabilities Act. >> Well, hold on. Pregnancy is not a disability. >> It's considered a disability. I think someone No, when going on leave, you're going you it's
03:19:41
Brian Atlas>> Yes, there's maternity leave, but it's not under it's not disability. But like pragmatically speaking, if you're a business owner, uh you know, maybe these major corporations have leeway to like, you know, whatever, hire a pregnant
03:19:54
Emilywoman, they've got 40,000 employees, who gives a [ __ ] You've got a business with 10, 20 employees and you're [ __ ] it. I think it depends on the type of business and also your employee because if they're a good employee and you'll
03:20:06
Emilyknow they'll come back, I think they will. I think if granted I don't want to I don't want children biologically, but if I um got pregnant, people recognize me at my job and they come to trust me
03:20:19
Emilyand my boss likes me as an employee. I think he'd want to hire me back because I'll stay put and I'm consistent, >> right? Look, I'm not saying that it's always going to manifest itself that
03:20:32
Brian Atlascompanies don't want to hire women, but I'm just looking at it pragmatically. It's like I don't know if you can if you have a a magic eightball and you can tell the future or whatever. And it's
03:20:42
Brian Atlaslike, okay, I can hire this person who I'm gonna have to spend all this all these resources and money training them and then within three months they're going to be they're going to leave the
03:20:53
Brian Atlasjob and then I'm like kind of [ __ ] Like wouldn't it almost make sense for a business to prioritize hiring somebody where that's not a risk? I guess that is
03:21:05
Emilythe problem and that's why for example me though it's not one of the many reasons I won't have a child biologically because I don't want to not get behind in my career and I know I'd much rather be a funeral director and
03:21:17
Brian Atlasbalber than a mother >> but even then even granting this situation where companies might have hesitation of hiring women we clearly don't see it women are not out destitute
03:21:29
Brian Atlasin the streets incapable of ever securing a job women completely entirely participate in the labor force in the workforce. Corporations are more than happy to hire women. This idea that
03:21:42
Brian Atlasthere's rampant sexism and women aren't getting hired because maybe they'll get pregnant is just completely ludicrous. Women are absolutely getting hired. There's a bunch of affirmative action. Corporations are predominated by, you
03:21:53
Brian Atlasknow, their HR departments predominated by women. Women are hiring mostly women. Women have bias towards women. So, I don't know. It's kind of ridiculous. However, I don't know. Look, oh man, we're getting in the weeds here. The
03:22:06
Brian Atlas[ __ ] wage gap. I wanted to get back to this original claim, which was when I said when I was like gave you the definition of feminism,
03:22:17
Brian Atlasyou had an issue with me saying that anti-male rhetoric and misandry is bad. Why? >> I don't have an issue with that being >> You did. Both of you did because when I brought it up, you're like, who hurt
03:22:28
Emilyyou, Brian? Why do you care? I actually am curious why you feel the way. I'm always interested in people who don't I don't necessarily agree with why because I like to explain why I feel the way I do. >> What do you disagree with? Like what
03:22:41
Emilywhat's there to disagree with about being against anti-male rhetoric? >> What's there to disagree on? >> I'm not disagreeing with you on that. But like I said before in my criticism when I initially sent you that first
03:22:53
Emilymessage, sometimes there just seems to be some very and actually it took me a while to remember the specific thing from the episode, but there seems to be kind of some anti-feminist attitude like
03:23:04
Emily>> what would be wrong with that? >> Like bowing, like you you're asking the question about bowing. Like I don't even know what hypothetical situation I'd be in. It just seemed like it was a weird humiliation thing. So
03:23:16
Brian Atlas>> not humiliation at all. It's a demonstration. It's a temperature check for if a woman can actually be submissive. And I would argue that the demands that women place on men are
03:23:26
Brian Atlasorders of magnitude greater than simply a benign, effortless, any almost unless she's severely disabled, any woman can do a bow. So this idea that it's a big
03:23:38
Brian Atlasask when women want men to pay for first dates, when women want men to be protectors, when women want men to open car doors, when women want men to uh walk observe the sidewalk rule, which
03:23:49
Brian Atlaswould seem to suggest that the woman wants the man to basically be a meat shield for her in the event that a car comes barreling down the street and [ __ ] you know, he can push her out of the way and he can [ __ ] die on a
03:24:01
Brian Atlasfirst date when she's got 10 sugar daddies and she's [ __ ] three other dudes. dudes and you want some dude, some [ __ ] sucker to die for you on the first date. I'm good. I'm good. The bow is completely reasonable. Completely
03:24:14
Brian Atlasreasonable. >> I don't think that um you know that is reasonable. And >> what's re what's the bow? >> Yeah. And not only that, >> do you think it's unreasonable for women for women to expect men to pay on first
03:24:26
Brian Atlasdates? I guess you didn't circle that. But you do acknowledge though that like I want to say the majority of women want men to pay on first dates. even liberal women. >> I do think that's rather hypocritical
03:24:37
Brian Atlasand I don't expect to be have to be paid for on the first day. >> The world the world isn't built of women like you. So I'm operating on generalities here. I think in general
03:24:49
Brian Atlaswomen have an expectation that men should pay on first dates, right? I think maybe it's definitely not all women, but I want to say it's a majority. That would mean 51% or more. I think that's completely
03:25:01
Brian AtlasI don't know if there's statistics on that. I think it's it's very realistic probability. If men should pay on first dates, that means okay, they have to how do they pay for it? Well, they have to work. So,
03:25:14
Brian Atlaswhen a girl says a man should pay on the first date, if that first date is $100 to to pay for the first date and he makes $20 an hour, the man has to work five hours to take a woman on a date. A
03:25:24
Brian Atlasbow is that >> noing $100 on the first date. I I'm fine with coffee. If I bring a girl to [ __ ] Chili's and we get an appetizer, we get drinks, we get a main course, and
03:25:36
Brian Atlaswe get a dessert. And then the tip, I'm going to spend $100 at Chili's. >> That's a lot of money. If >> you can't afford to have a woman, then maybe you should get your money up nice. >> Look, maybe. Look, there are places you can go that are going to be less than
03:25:48
Brian Atlas$100. I don't think it's out of like it's some insane spend in 2025 for a guy to spend a hundred bucks in total on a date. >> I think it's to each their own. girls here are going to say >> to each their own.
03:26:01
Marca>> Only 100. >> No, to each their own. Like if you can only afford to pay for the Honda cuz you have Honda money, then don't go for the Mercedes cuz you're literally going to get in debt. >> Wait, shouldn't that apply to the women? Like if you're
03:26:13
Brian Atlas>> I I >> if you're a Ford Pinto, shouldn't you just not want a guy who makes $10 million a year? >> Exactly. >> That's what I'm saying. That's why I said that I'm going to have that money. >> But are you the Lamborghini? Are you the
03:26:24
Brian AtlasFerrari? Are you Wait, hold on. Let's do this. McLaren. I don't know. You >> Maserati. >> You're more like Porsche. >> Porsche was cool. >> Uh, okay. Ferrari. Lamborghini. Bugatti.
03:26:38
Brian Atlas>> Porsche. >> Or you know what? >> Carrera GT. Is that even a [ __ ] car? >> That's one of Camarra or Carrera. >> Carrera. >> Okay. Well, I don't know. Whatever.
03:26:50
Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. Let's Hold on. I'm not gonna let you guys keep escaping, though. When I gave my definition of feminism and I said my true definition of
03:27:02
Marcafeminism is women's advocacy and then baked in anti-male rhetoric misandry. You guys were like, "Well, why do you care, Brian?" >> Well, cuz it sounded like you were talking from some like some place of
03:27:14
Marcalike like so like so hatred. Like you get you're getting red. Like I'm like, "Oh, he's he's hot. Like this is a topic that really >> really like gets to him." So I wanted to know why. Like what?
03:27:25
Brian Atlas>> I don't know. If you hear somebody say a racist slur, would that get to you? >> Well, I guess I can't speak for >> Wait, what's that? >> They don't deserve the racist slur
03:27:35
Marca>> and men don't deserve bigotry. >> I'm not. But like if it if the women are entitled to their opinions if women think these things of men, like nobody's saying anything about >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's explore that.
03:27:47
Brian Atlas>> These are our opinions. >> I love it. Women are entitled to their opinions >> and you are too. Well, hold on. >> And what opinions are we talking about? So, for example, is it a female? Is it a woman's opinion that she could say men
03:28:00
Brian Atlasare trash? >> Is that a Are is she entitled to that opinion? >> I think anybody's entitled to any >> Do you think Do you think men are trash? >> I don't. >> Do you think men are trash? Really? I thought Wait, I thought the majority of men are creepy.
03:28:12
Felicity>> Majority of them are trash, but there's like a good selective group. >> He's upset because you guys were making general generalizations. He's not a murderer, a pedophile, any of
03:28:23
Felicitythat. But yet, he's still treated differently because of people, >> I guess, like you that assume automatically that the general population of men.
03:28:33
Marca>> And I never I never argue that. >> You said she said I didn't I'm saying I don't think I don't think all men are trash. I never That was never my argument. >> I don't even Hold on. What? You met me, so you don't think I'm weird. You
03:28:46
Brian Atlasprobably do think I'm weird, but you don't want to say it. Whatever. That's fine. I'm still going to come to the defense of the broad population of just normal men who also get lumped into this
03:28:58
Brian Atlaslike this bigotry and bias against them. So whether you your determination to me is kind of irrelevant here. I'm broadly against anti-male rhetoric and misandry. >> So why it matters to me. You say, "Well,
03:29:11
Brian Atlasif I heard something racist, you would be or you heard something racist, you'd be against it. I'm if I hear something sexist against men, I'm against it. >> Yeah. Okay. Because you're a man and it hurts your feelings. I get it. >> Hold on.
03:29:24
Emily>> I don't know if it hurts I don't know if hurting my feelings because that's what >> but is that you're doing it in sort of this mocking way. No. >> Oh, look at the poor baby. I didn't mean it like that. So, I I
03:29:36
Emilycan't speak for anyone else, but when I try to talk to someone I disagree with, I try to understand why they feel certain way. And so, uh, the reason because I grew up in Indiana. I've always lived in Indiana and I grew up in
03:29:49
Emilya rural farming community. You know, it's not like yas feminist girl boss area. It never was. But the reason I started getting into feminism and learning about it, and it was long before college, before someone says, oh,
03:30:01
Emilythey college indoctrinated you, was because I had some people treat me unfairly when I was growing up because I was a woman. And then listening to the stories of like my mother and grandmother and some of the other women
03:30:14
Emilyin my life, hearing them, it made me passionate cuz I just want a better world for well everyone. But I it just some of the things that people I've loved face, I just don't want them to have to go through that again or any
03:30:26
Emilyfuture people. Totally fair. >> And so I just wanted to know maybe was someone had been treated you unfairly for who you are. I wondered if that's what motivated you. >> Yeah. No, no, no, no. It has nothing to
03:30:37
Brian Atlasdo with like specific like feminists who have treated me poorly. I am a person who has faculties of logic and reason and rationality and
03:30:49
Brian Atlastherefore I can look at what feminism is and the ideology and there's trust me there's plenty of subject matter there for that that warrants criticism.
03:31:00
Brian AtlasThere's plenty in the feminist movement in the ideology itself baked in that warrants criticism. >> And I agree. Yeah, I agree too. >> Well, okay. But when I gave you my
03:31:12
Brian Atlasdefinition of what feminist is, >> I said I didn't agree. That's not my definition. You didn't handle it. >> Well, it's not just that. When I said that the feminist movement is anti-male,
03:31:23
Marcaanti-male rhetoric, misandress, etc., etc., you're well, who hurt you, Brian? because I don't agree to that because that's not my definition of feminism. like who the who like why is this like the thought >> I love it because that's what I wanted
03:31:35
Brian Atlasto get into the reason I was asking you before about if you believe in the patriarchy which you do right you believe in the patriarchy that's like the core tenant
03:31:44
Brian Atlasof feminism that in and of itself bakes in and perpetuates this idea well do you think women are oppressed
03:31:57
Brian Atlas>> yes but I think they can be >> I think they can be >> I Are they broadly oppressed generally? >> More than men. >> What's that? >> More than men. >> More than men. So, but they are oppressed. >> Are they oppressed?
03:32:10
Marca>> I think they can be. I don't think all women are oppressed. >> What about just in the United States? Let's talk about the US. >> Are women oppressed >> in some ways, but I think for the most part, >> our whole society >> for the most part. No. >> No.
03:32:23
Stephanie>> Wait, what's that? >> I think our whole society is oppressed. I agree with that, too. You know, so I think it's like men and women and >> Yeah, there's there's different ways, but I I think it's the same. Honestly, I think men and women are equally
03:32:37
Brian Atlasoppressed. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean there is an argument in the United States of America. >> There's an argument to be made that really the there would be like a oppression based on class which would
03:32:47
Brian Atlastranscend race. It transcends sex. It transcends all this stuff. But the uh and this isn't necessarily something that I'm forwarding. It's not
03:33:00
Brian Atlas>> but people would argue >> that all this racism [ __ ] all this the gender war, race war stuff, it's very conveniently distracting to distract us
03:33:11
Brian Atlasfrom the actually the ultimate form of warfare that's going on, which would be related to class. Some people would forward that argument.
03:33:21
Brian AtlasI don't know if I would buy necessarily buy into it, but they're very, if it is true, uh, the obscenely wealthy are very happy to keep us all distracted and
03:33:33
Brian Atlasfighting amongst each other by focusing on race and blah blah blah. So there would never there can never be class solidarity because the men are fighting the women, the women are fighting the men, the
03:33:46
Brian Atlaswhites are fighting the blacks, the blacks are all this stuff. very distracted by this sort of [ __ ] that never enables
03:33:53
Brian Atlas>> a sort of uh movement to actually get real [ __ ] done, but
03:34:01
Brian Atlas>> I digress. Uh the patriarchy. Okay. Do you think men are oppressors? >> In some ways, once again, I think it's situational.
03:34:11
Emily>> Well, that's not helpful, though. Some ways they're How so? Well, um I believe there are men and there are
03:34:20
Emilywomen too that kind of will promote sexist ideas or just systemic sexism and sometimes I don't think people realize
03:34:30
Emilyit. Um sometimes they do and I do think women are as capable of doing that as men. >> Okay. Well, I mean, I would just say
03:34:41
Brian Atlasthough, if you buy into this idea of patriarchy, which I don't think is a very nuanced way of looking at the infinitely complex way that societies
03:34:51
Brian Atlasare structured to just say men bad, women oppressed, men oppressor. >> That's really complicate. Society is
03:35:01
Brian Atlasstructured in a very complicated way. to just put all the blame on men is kind of like ridiculous. That is the I mean the patriarchy theory. It's this apex
03:35:11
Brian Atlasfallacy also that we were talking about before where very very small proportion of people are in power. Even if it is the case that that small small small
03:35:21
Brian Atlasproportion of people as men, how could you then hold uh four billion people g like this sort of collective guilt like
03:35:30
Brian Atlasoh well these 10 men at the top are have created the rules in society or whatever [ __ ] therefore uh all men bad
03:35:41
Brian Atlasmajority of men bad like it's a really weird way to look at society from my perspective I actually think if if we're looking at negative life outcomes, I
03:35:52
Brian Atlasthink while it is true that you have a really small proportion of men who have that corner office, who are the CEO, who are in the executive positions, who do have more power politically speaking,
03:36:04
Brian Atlasalthough of course I would just argue that women are the maj women are more represented in the voter base. So you women themselves are voting the men in so it's like >> that's what I talk about internalized
03:36:15
Brian Atlassexism. Well, I don't know about that, but women do have a say as it relates to politics. You literally vote these men in. But this is a really small proportion of
03:36:27
Brian Atlasmen. What proportion of men have political power? Really, really small proportion of men. What What proportion of men uh are CEOs or high-powered
03:36:37
Brian Atlasexecutives? Really, really small proportion of men. Average man. M the average man has no more say, no more power than their female counterparts,
03:36:47
Brian Atlaswhich is like 99 99% of people uh 99% of men have no more say than do women. It's just true. And I would then point
03:36:58
Brian Atlasto in for looking at the negative life outcomes, the majority of negative life outcomes are disproportionately represented by men. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. Men are more likely to be murdered. Men are more
03:37:10
Brian Atlaslikely to be incarcerated. Men are more likely to be uh unlived by police. Men are more likely all these things. Men are more likely to be homeless >> out here being crazy. >> But see, you got to be careful with that
03:37:22
Brian Atlasbecause then it opens up this door to generalization because people will make this argument about, well, hold on, it's really unh black men are more likely to be in prison. That's due to racism,
03:37:34
Brian Atlasright? You'll say that, right? But then when it comes to men being more likely to go to prison, you'll say, "Well, that's their choice." They make that choice. If you're going to say that the criminal
03:37:45
Brian Atlaselement in men is due to them being men because you're citing to well there's more men in prison, you got to be careful because then it opens the door
03:37:55
Brian Atlasto racism which would say that there's more black people in prison because of some innate characteristic of black people which I reject to be clear. >> I don't think it's the same at all.
03:38:08
Brian AtlasWell, you can draw these similar comparisons. If you're saying, I'm looking at crime statistics and more men commit these crimes. Men bad.
03:38:19
Brian AtlasThen if it's like, well, hold on. More black people commit these crimes than white people. It opens the door. If if you allow for if you open the door to
03:38:30
Brian Atlasmen bad because they commit more crimes, you then open the door to this racial group bad because they're they commit more crimes. I reject both. >> I reject both.
03:38:42
Emily>> No, I agree with you on that. Once again, that's why I'm all about nuance over really big generalizations. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I can see the correlation.
03:38:55
Marca>> Just saying. But I've never said those any of those statements. So I'm like I'm still like that has nothing to do with my views of feminism. >> Like I I don't think men bad mad.
03:39:06
Brian Atlas>> So yeah, >> I think it's more likely. >> But as it relates to patriarchy, even granting that, you know, the the vast majority of the people at the top are men,
03:39:18
Brian Atlas>> we also have to say that the vast majority of the people at the bottom are men. That's the homelessness people uh men who commit suicide, victims of war, all this stuff,
03:39:30
Brian Atlasprisoners, etc., etc. >> But who started the war? Men. Who sent them to war? Men. >> That's Do you think like a 19-year-old
03:39:40
Brian Atlasboy in Kentucky had anything to do in World War II, World War I with being sent to war? >> Yes. But he's sending them to war are men.
03:39:53
Felicity>> Yeah, but what does the how does that change like the 19year-old who's actually >> doing him dirty? >> Political leaders. >> Great. Exactly. Once again, that's why like them are men. >> But that's not here to
03:40:06
Bina>> generalize all men just because the political leaders happen to be men. >> But like I'm literally looking at the entire world. There's no women out here saying, "Let's go to war." >> Does your empathy have a gender filter?
03:40:21
Brian AtlasHonestly, no. >> But I'm confused then. Why bring up this idea that, well, it's terrible that, you know, 19-year-old boys who don't want to go to war get sent to war and get die, you know, get killed or
03:40:34
Brian Atlas>> it is horrible, >> right? But why the need to say but? Why the need to say, well, it's men. It's the men who send them to like why?
03:40:44
Felicity>> Because it's literally >> it's a red herring, though. a butterfly effect to do with that though. What does that 19-year-old have to do with the fact that his political leader sent him and
03:40:57
Binahis >> other peers? I'm saying men are making other men victims of men. >> Hold on. But the per the perpetrator of by the way, mind you,
03:41:09
Brian Atlas>> uh a war can sometimes be a defensive war. So maybe the the leaders of the nation who happen to be men are like, "Well, [ __ ] we're getting invaded. Sorry guy." Like, "We don't want to be we don't want
03:41:23
Brian Atlasto be doing this, but we have to >> them. Another country ran by a man." >> Not always the case. I have a couple things on this. >> It's usually the case. >> Well, you know, look, historically, if
03:41:33
Brian Atlaswe look at queens, for example, uh we look at female monarchs, uh we actually find that queens were much more likely to wage war than kings.
03:41:45
Brian AtlasSo this also this idea that like today >> if sure even today women are heads of state. Yes absolutely they would be engaged in war it would absolutely
03:41:56
Brian Atlashappen. This idea that if women were all world leaders everything would be peaceful. I don't know about you guys. Uh I've seen women uh [ __ ] brutal towards each other. Women can be [ __ ]
03:42:08
Brian Atlasbrutal towards each other. Women can be violent towards each other. This idea that women are completely peaceable people is ridiculous. No one said that. No one said that. >> Yeah. But this idea that like oh well if
03:42:19
Brian Atlaswe I I'm not I'm not making the case that women would be more prone to war. Although there is some historical precedent for when women did have power,
03:42:30
Brian Atlasthey were actually more likely to wage war. Well, not the same with men. >> Yes. Look at the world today. >> Well, yeah. There's more men in power. So, it would it would proceed that Yes.
03:42:40
Brian AtlasLike but if you do like a per capita assessment per capita when women were monarchs they were more likely to go to war when women were queens leaders empresses whatever >> they
03:42:54
Brian Atlas>> yes >> how many let's let's I I don't know the statistics >> yeah Google the queens more likely to go to war than men there there has been historical uh historical studies done on this
03:43:07
Brian Atlasspecific thing but I guess my question to you is when bring up male disadvantage and you say, "Well, who set that system up?" Does that imply that men deserve the disadvantage?
03:43:21
Bina>> No. >> Do men deserve the disadvantage? >> No. I never said that to begin with in this whole podcast. Like, I'm not a man hater. I'm just looking at the majority. The majority of all of these things are
03:43:33
Brian Atlasmen. Like, it just is what it But you're shifting the discussion away from the actual concern about male disadvantage
03:43:41
Brian Atlasto either current day or historical blame towards men. So it's like and it's just this red herring. It's like okay
03:43:52
Brian Atlaswell who so I >> you're saying men collectively are to blame which isn't true. >> It's not true. It's small portion of men
03:44:04
Emilyin power who make these decisions. >> This is why I like the concept of intersectionality because there it's there there's a lot more layers. And yeah, someone who's privileged in one
03:44:15
Emilything may not be privileged in something else. And I do think for everyone, no matter whatever systems oppressing them,
03:44:22
Brian Atlaswe should try to dismantle that. >> Also, if men like built this system Then
03:44:34
Brian Atlasclearly, then clearly even if it's true, wouldn't it be a system that hates its own architects? >> It does,
03:44:45
Brian Atlas>> right? But so this idea that patriarchy was built for the benefit of of men, even if we grant this sort of this is how society is structured, >> I think kind of going with the
03:44:56
Emilyintersectionality thing again. Um, so the men oppressing the other men, wealthy men, I think, kind of, especially here in the US, kind of lead men that they're oppressing with a
03:45:08
Emilycarrot on the string by saying, "Well, if you do this and this and this and you act this way, you'll be like me one day and you'll have all the money and power you want." But they never do. It just is
03:45:19
Brian Atlasalways out of their grasp. And that's how they keep people under their thumb. I guess when people when I point out how men are disadvantaged or suffering and
03:45:31
Brian Atlasyou guys say, "Well, who set that system up?" It sounds a lot like
03:45:39
Brian Atlasthe suffering is invalid if the wrong people experience it. >> That's not true. >> I mean, that's kind of what she's saying. That's that's how I'm interpreting it.
03:45:50
Brian Atlas>> I don't have to agree with that. So, >> okay. >> But I I don't understand. So, if a group
03:46:00
Brian Atlashistorically set up a system, does that mean that individual members today can't point out how it's harmful? >> You can >> you can
03:46:11
Emily>> like what about could we say the same about women criticizing systems built by women? >> Yes. I mean, the feminism movement has criticisms within itself frequently,
03:46:23
Emily>> and there's like any group of people, no matter what it is, there's splinters because people have gotten unhappy about something and they've split off and done their own thing. That's just people.
03:46:35
Brian Atlas>> Okay? But like for example, there are tribes in Africa that do uh FGM, female genital mutilation.
03:46:44
Brian AtlasAnd what they've actually found is that this is a um cultural artifact. I don't know if that's the right wording. Uh it's a cultural practice
03:46:55
Brian Atlasthat is it's not with it's not upheld by the men. The female genital mutilation is actually upheld by the women in these societies. And I don't know if it's because they're like I suffered so you
03:47:07
Brian Atlashave to suffer too. I think that that's often times a thing that we see all the time. But I wouldn't like if a woman had her genitals mutilated,
03:47:18
Brian AtlasI wouldn't then say, "Well, hold on. It's the women in your culture who are allowing this practice to continue." I'd be like, "No, this is terrible." >> But it is But that is a fact though. It
03:47:32
Marcais a woman in the culture. >> Yeah. I mean, you can't That's the fact. It's not right. Like it's But that's the It is the women in the that are oppressing this, >> right? But I wouldn't >> That's the fact. It's a fact. My my go-to wouldn't be, wow, this bad thing
03:47:45
Brian Atlasis happening to women, but who should we, you know, should we blame the the women and like try to diminish the impact of victimization? I I think we should just be like, "Wow, that's really
03:47:55
Felicityterrible. We should do away with that." >> You know what I mean? Felicity, can you read this for me?
03:48:04
Felicity>> W= F D. Wait, I can't even read that. The text is uh the amount of work. F is the vector of force. D is the magnitude
03:48:15
Felicityof displacement. O is the angle between the vector of force and the vector of displacement. >> Bro, that that's that's a couple grade levels above >> what's going on at this table right now,
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Brian Atlasbro. Uh you got to dumb that [ __ ] down a little bit. Uh thank you, Christopher, for the message, man. I do appreciate it. >> Um >> what was I going to say? Oh, let's pull
03:48:38
Brian Atlasup the super chat. We already did the first I'm pretty sure. Didn't we read the Vincent the one from Vincent? >> Yeah. >> Uh, hold on. Oh, what the heck? Uh, pull up pelagic
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Felicity>> chair one is just another below average pro. >> Do you want to respond to that? >> What does pro mean? >> Probably >> professional. >> Professional. >> Professional. >> Prostitute. >> Prostitute. >> When did I say that?
03:49:03
Bina>> That's what That's what he's saying. I I mean, you didn't say that. Well, when did I say that? You didn't say that. So, next, so you're not a prostitute. >> Next question.
03:49:12
Brian Atlas>> Good times. Okay, we need to get into some other stuff here. I need to get up momentarily. Felicity, take it away. Heights.
03:49:24
Felicity>> Okay. How tall are you and what is the minimum height of a man you would date? Starting with you.
03:49:32
BinaUm, I'm 5'6 and I just would like them to be taller than me, I guess. So, 5'7.
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Bina>> Yeah. I mean, I would I be more attracted to someone who's taller. Yes. But I'm not going to not talk to someone
03:49:50
Binabecause they're like not that height. But I would prefer for them to be at least a little taller than me because then it's just kind of awkward and I just feel like, you know, big mama to them and I just don't want
03:50:03
Felicityto feel like that. >> The multi-millionaire 20 million plus year, he can be 5'7. >> Yeah. Okay. Just a little. >> No preference. >> How tall are you?
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Emily>> I'm 5'5 and then um my fiance is the tallest guy I've dated at 510, but I've dated guys that were my height or slightly shorter. I mean, I even think
03:50:24
EmilyPeter Dinklage is kind of cute. So, I um have uh I've it really doesn't matter. It's height doesn't determine the character. >> Okay. What about you? >> Uh 6 foot. >> That's just what
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Marca>> And how much did you want from a husband again a year? >> You changed your answer. >> Yeah. I wanted to say I I don't know a year. I just want their net worth to
03:50:46
Marcaaccumulate to 10 million. >> So, the 10 mil net worth. Yeah. I mean, I've I've I've only dated guys that are that tall. That's like that's my reality. >> How tall are you? Sorry.
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Marca>> 5'2, >> girl. >> Ma'am, my 64. >> Not even 510. >> No, I I just I just am attracted to tall men. I've always been attracted to tall men and tall men like me, too. So, it works out.