$20,000,000 MINIMUM To Date HER?! ACCUSED OF MlSOGYNY?! Brian DEBATES Feminist! | Dating Talk #262
Date: 2025-09-29
Duration: 9h 26m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Donations/TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_03Bina(guest)
SPEAKER_05Marca(guest)
SPEAKER_06Iris(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Stephanie(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kelsey Risk(guest)
SPEAKER_12Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_13Felicity(audience)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:30
IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, education, location
00:14:40
RelationshipRelationship status round. Bina broke up 3 days ago (5th time). Emily engaged 8 years.
00:17:00
Key MomentBina explains her ex was a nepo baby whose father is a famous actor
00:31:40
Key MomentKelsey shares devastating divorce story - husband left saying 'everyone else is living my life for me'
“Met my ex-husband in 2017, married in 2018, and he decided to walk away in 21.”
00:39:40
ControversyEmily criticizes show for rage bait, launches central feminism debate
01:02:00
ControversyCena says she would side with China over Canada/US in hypothetical invasion
01:26:30
ControversyBina claims majority of men are weirdos and creeps
“The majority of men are weirdos, creeps.”
01:51:00
ControversyBina and Marca demand minimum $10-20M yearly husband income
“The minimum is at least like 10 to 20 million.”
01:58:20
Key MomentBina admits to 10 sugar daddies paying $10K/month each
02:17:00
Key MomentBrian proposes $1M bet that Bina/Marca won't make $10M/year in 10 years
02:28:00
QuoteKelsey gives modest $50-60K minimum: 'I understand compounding interest'
03:55:00
ControversyBina claims 50% of men would rape if given the opportunity, walks back to 5-10%
04:59:00
Key MomentBrian rates most of the panel as 'average at best'
06:01:40
Key MomentKelsey delivers powerful Christian message about self-worth referencing Psalms 139
07:51:40
OtherMarca tells harrowing story of being pistol-whipped and carjacked
08:25:50
Key MomentKelsey's heartwarming story of ex asking parents to hold her hand at drive-in theater
“He leans over to my parents and he asked them, 'Can I hold your daughter's hand?'”
09:25:00
OtherShow wrap-up. Brian promises next show October 5th.
Topics Discussed
00:03:30
Guest Introductions
All guests introduce themselves. Notable: Emily the funeral director/embalmer, Kelsey's 3-generation chocolate business.
00:14:40
Relationship Status Round
Bina broke up 3 days ago (5th time). Emily engaged 8 years (16-year age gap). Kelsey divorced after husband left in 2021.
00:31:40
Kelsey's Divorce Story
Ex-husband left saying 'everyone else is living my life for me.' Found in Florida with married 22yo. Told her they were 'never really married.'
00:39:40
Emily vs Brian: Feminism Debate
Emily criticizes show for rage bait. Massive debate on feminism, military draft, voting rights, selective service, hypothetical China invasion.
01:23:20
Bina: Majority of Men Are Creeps
Bina claims majority of men are creeps. Claims 50% would rape if given opportunity (walks back to 5-10%). Brian compares generalization to racism.
01:50:00
Minimum Income Requirements
Bina/Marca: $10-20M. Iris: $100K. Cena: $400K. Stephanie: $1M. Kelsey: $50-60K. Felicity: $150K. Brian proposes $1M bet against Bina/Marca.
01:58:20
Sugar Daddy Romance Scams
Bina admits to 10 sugar daddies paying $10K/month each. Calls it 'finessing' - selling fantasy of interest. Brian calls it a romance scam.
03:51:40
Man vs Bear Debate
Bina picks bear (claims 50% of men would rape). Brian argues picking bear is sexist using race analogy.
04:40:00
Looks Self-Ratings
Bina 8.5, Emily refuses, Marca 8.5, Iris 10, Cena 6, Stephanie 10, Kelsey 5, Felicity 6. Brian says most are 'average at best.'
07:10:00
Body Count Discussion
Marca: ~13. Cena: 3. Stephanie: 3. Kelsey: 1 (ex-husband only). Felicity: 2. Bina refuses (claims monthly reborn virgin).
07:51:40
Marca's Carjacking Story
Marca was pistol-whipped and carjacked in San Fernando Valley. Ex-boyfriend's secret tracker in her car helped police recover it.
08:14:00
Iris Names Abusive Ex (John Moss)
Iris publicly names ex as streamer John Moss (7M TikTok). Gave up modeling to be housewife, used for domestic servitude.
08:28:20
Emily: Catholicism and Abortion
Emily is Catholic but pro-choice. References 10yo Ohio girl who came to Indiana for abortion. 'Cafeteria Catholic' concept.
08:41:40
Facts vs Feelings / Immigration
Emily argues feelings trump facts (funeral director experience). Brian pivots to immigration, Mexico's Article 33, deportation.
09:23:20
Show Wrap-Up
Brian summarizes traditional nuclear family position. Next show October 5th. Asks Cena to stop doing OnlyFans.
Transcript
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08:44:07
Brian Atlasmoments of their life in your job as funeral director or whatever. Yeah, you should probably have some approach things in a tactful way. But if
08:44:20
Brian AtlasI'm engaged in a debate, in a conversation, yeah, facts over feelings, but I I feel like you're trying to say, well, feelings matter now. Well, for example,
08:44:32
Brian AtlasI think sometimes if I'm having a discussion with my girlfriend or whatever, if I'm having a discussion with whether it's anybody you're having a discussion with your boyfriend,
08:44:42
Brian Atlasgirlfriend, I do think that there is a a way that you should try to convey something and not just be like cold, brutal person. But
08:44:54
Emily>> I I guess I don't know. Just the climate right now feels like everything needs to be logical. You can't use any emotion or it's invalid. >> Uh well, okay. How about for immigration? Should we be using facts or
08:45:06
Brian Atlasshould we be using feelings? Should we use Fifi's >> cuz like I it's very emotionally and feeling feelings compelling when you
08:45:19
Brian Atlashave like women who are crying about their husband being deported or you have families like this is all very emotionally uh appeals to emotion very rhetorically effective. But if we're like looking at the facts of okay well
08:45:32
Brian Atlaswhat's the negative impacts of illegal immigration on society on culture on the society economically financially uh what about the crime rates what about the rent what everything all these things
08:45:43
Emilythen I think these are more compelling arguments than people's feelings feel like it hurts their feelings >> I just feel like whenever you're dealing with people as whenever you're dealing with humans there's always going to be a
08:45:56
Emilyfeelings element there unless you can't parse it out completely unless you're talking to chat GPT or something. >> Uh I Yeah, but if I'm just having like a
08:46:05
Emilyfactual conversation about >> some I don't know an issue. >> I mean I feel like feelings motivates the things. That's why I asked you earlier about granted it probably came
08:46:17
Brian Atlasoff >> but if if we allowed feelings to purely dictate political policy, economic policy, then it feels really good to
08:46:27
Brian Atlasjust you can make the it's really nice to let people into your country and just anybody wants to come you just
08:46:39
Brian Atlascome in. I feel like there's >> that feels nice, but the practical implications of it and the cascading and domino effect of what that that's going to have on society,
08:46:51
Brian Atlasnot good. And those feelings will be very short-lived when you basically double the for example, how many people in the world would like to come to the United States?
08:47:03
Brian Atlas>> No idea. >> I'd say it's over a billion people. How many people currently live in the United States? I think it's 300 million. >> What's our housing stock? >> I don't know. >> Do you think we have the housing stock available to house a billion extra
08:47:16
Brian Atlaspeople? >> Probably not. >> So, it feels really good to just let these people in, right? It feels great. We're doing the right thing. They're escaping a uh you know, a country that's
08:47:28
Brian Atlastheir economy is not as good or there's corruption or whatever it is or they're just economic immigrants. But but that feels good, right? But what about the feelings of the people that
08:47:41
Emilyalready live in the country? How about that? >> Well, I mean, if you move here, legally or not, you technically live here. I do work or interact with a lot of
08:47:52
Brian Atlas>> There are people at the end of the day. >> Yeah, they are people. But like if we if we were to adhere to your belief system on this, then we would just literally open up the floodgates to having a
08:48:05
Brian Atlasbillion people living in the United States. I don't need to I I hope I don't have to tell you what that would do to rent prices, cost of living, uh crime, all sorts of things. >> Once again, nuance.
08:48:17
Brian Atlas>> What do you think about this? Are you for illegal immigration? >> I don't want to speak on this. >> Tilt tilt your mic down just a little bit. Well, as a woman >> speak on this >> as a woman who had very strong opinions
08:48:28
Brian Atlasof all these evil men, >> you remember all these evil men who are harassing women and and oh, it's a majority of men who want to rape women, right? Don't you think it's, by the way,
08:48:40
Brian Atlasthe majority of illegal immigrants are men, by the way. Men are much more likely to immigrate. Don't you think maybe if your position is so like let's protect women,
08:48:52
Brian Atlasshouldn't you also be against immigration? >> No. >> But you're letting all these creepy weird men into the country. >> Why are they creepy and weird just cuz they're not American?
08:49:03
Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. Just to be clear, it's okay for you to say men are creepy and weird just because they're men. >> So, wouldn't that apply not to the not to the immigrants because they're immigrants? it would apply to them because they're men from your
08:49:15
Binaperspective. >> Again, I'm not going to go into like race because I think that race and gender are very different and it's just a different spectrum. Like I just think
08:49:26
Binathat >> yes, it's letting more men into the US, which sucks, >> but I don't think just cuz they're an immigrant that they're going to like
08:49:38
Binanecessarily be detrimental just cuz they're an immigrant. >> Wait, hold on. You you're you're against letting men you're against men. >> That's a different topic. I'm upset that they're men coming in, not cuz they're
08:49:49
Brian Atlasan immigrant. >> But I mean, they're kind of intertwined. They're they're men coming in to the country. >> I'm more upset that it's a man coming in here, not that it's an immigrant.
08:50:00
Brian Atlas>> Oh, okay. Well, I mean, they by definition would be an immigrant. So, >> but I'm not upset cuz they're an immigrant. >> Uh, okay. I just on one hand you're
08:50:12
Brian Atlaslike, "Wow, all these men are crazy rapists." >> Like that's your position. Majority of men are predators, creepy weirdo >> rapists.
08:50:23
Bina>> But come into this country and I don't have an issue with that. I don't get that. >> Well, I'm not going to be like, "Oh,
08:50:34
Binathese immigrants are rapists." Cuz they're immigrants. It's because they're men. >> But But hold on. But you're letting them
08:50:45
Brian AtlasBut but the majority of immigrants are men. >> So >> I don't think that's true. >> If your goal was to stop women getting from getting raped, wouldn't you want to
08:50:57
Binaprevent immigration? >> I don't think that it's a majority of men. If you want to fact check me, no. That immigrants are a majority of men. I don't think that's fair. The majority of immigrants are men.
08:51:09
Bina>> Men are much more willing to take the dangerous journey to get here. >> A lot of immigrants are already here and have been here for years and they still are getting deported. It's not just men. It's literally whole families. Like me
08:51:21
Binapersonally, I've literally like witnessed it. >> It's definitely a lot of women, too. >> And again, I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with the fact that it's an immigrant coming in. I don't
08:51:34
Binathink that's the issue. I think the issue is that it's a man. >> It's a man coming in who happens to be an immigrant. >> Yeah, that sucks. But I'm not going to say, "Oh, you're immigrant. Like, you can't come here."
08:51:45
Brian AtlasSo, but I'm I guess my confusion is on one hand all these men are so bad and like there's probably some argument that can be made that um
08:51:58
Brian AtlasI there's probably some argument that could be made that somebody who's inclined like I don't know the statistics on this actually so I shouldn't I don't know the statistics I won't even I won't speak on it just
08:52:08
Brian Atlasbecause I don't know. Um, but it it is interesting to me that on one hand men bad, men weird, men creepy, men
08:52:19
Brian Atlaspredators, but open like open borders doesn't really make sense. Men are overwhelmingly
08:52:27
Brian Atlasuh men make up the majority of I believe both legal and illegal immigrants. So as it relates to feels over facts though
08:52:37
Brian AtlasI think on this particular topic uh yeah seeing uh you know family torn apart that's that that's feels but uh let's talk about the facts about
08:52:50
Brian Atlasthe impacts of illegal immigration on this country. I >> think it's a combination of both and nuance. >> Okay. But would you acknowledge even on
08:52:58
Brian Atlasthe feels front uh there's a lot of like this what about the feels the feelings of the citizens of this country who
08:53:09
Brian Atlasdon't want illegal immigration like we ignore facts there's a lot of feelings that we feel about illegal immigration
08:53:19
Emily>> well speaking to people where I'm from that feel negatively about it >> they feel yeah >> um you know they part of the feelings I feel like are
08:53:30
Emilyyou don't probably you're upset I said feel um but um sometimes they feel like someone is getting more than them who shouldn't and usually to that I say well
08:53:42
Emilyyou need to look at the source rather than basically look at the person rigging the race rather than your competitors. Um,
08:53:52
EmilyI mean, what about things like rent prices? >> Well, where I come from, rent skyrocketed because of all the out ofstate college students rather than
08:54:04
Brian Atlasimmigrants. >> Well, look, to be clear, there's it's a multi-aried issue, the increases in cost of living and rent. I would never solely place the blame on these things simply
08:54:16
Brian Atlasor just on immigration. Obviously, there's other factors. Greedy corporations, greedy landlords, uh just gener inflation. There's a bunch of different reasons, right? However, like
08:54:28
Brian Atlashow many uh immigrants, how many illegal immigrants are in this country? They're not homeless. They're living somewhere.
08:54:35
Brian AtlasSo, if there's less supply, then prices go up.
08:54:45
Brian Atlas>> I don't know how many uh what is it? tens. There's tens of millions of illegal immigrants here. I don't know what the exact number is. They're not homeless. They're living. They're renting. They're living in houses in
08:54:59
Emilyapartments. >> They might be renting, but what's the place look like? Cuz some of the legal immigrants in my community, they might be renting, but they're not living high on the hog. So,
08:55:10
Brian Atlas>> and they're still paying for taxes. >> Okay. There's there's like slum lords and stuff, but there's still like there's still
08:55:21
Brian Atlasdefinitely housing stock that citizens would absolutely live in that are being occupied or taken by immigrants. >> There's also a lot of houses that are
08:55:32
Emilysitting empty because there's real estate companies that are buying them for Airbnbs or future investments and no one's living in them at I don't like
08:55:41
Brian Atlasthat either. But that doesn't that that does nothing to tackle my argument that there are there's millions upon millions of immigrants in this country who are
08:55:53
Brian Atlastaking up the housing stock. So you can say, well, you can point to this other thing over here, red herring. Well, hold on. What about uh Black Rockck that just has all these houses sitting on the
08:56:04
Brian Atlasmarket and nobody's occupying them? Okay, that's bad, too, I guess. But that's not a defeater to my point. >> I think it's a bigger problem than your point. >> I actually I don't Hold on. I I don't
08:56:15
Brian Atlasknow the exact numbers, but I'm fairly confident that there's more more illegal immigrants occupying houses than does Black Rockck own houses. >> I don't know about Black Rockck, but I can tell you at least in Bloomington,
08:56:27
Brian AtlasIndiana, it's no one >> I'll Google it. Uh corporations. How many houses do
08:56:37
Brian Atlascorporations own? Mind you, uh, not okay. Corporations own approximately 600,000 single family homes in the United States.
08:56:48
Brian AtlasAnd I'm assuming that like some of them simp sit empty, but most of that most of these corporations are renting them out even if if it's for [ __ ] [ __ ]
08:56:58
Emilyinflated prices. It's not a defeater to my point. >> Okay. Well, if you want to be a chat GPT robot, go ahead. I'm >> I Googled one thing.
08:57:10
Brian Atlas>> No, I'm not. You're just very focused on logic for everything. But there's just >> We should be focused on logic. >> There's just things in life you can't be that way. >> Can I ask you a question? Can I move to Japan and say, "Fuck the Japanese and
08:57:22
Brian Atlastheir [ __ ] legal system. I don't give a [ __ ] I'm going to live here and I'm Japanese now. [ __ ] them." Can I do that? Probably not. >> Would they deport me? >> Probably. >> Would it be wrong for the Japanese to
08:57:34
Emilydeport me if I overstay my visa? >> Well, that's a bit of a gray area. >> How so? >> Well, if you've lived in Japan for like 40 years and you've integrated yourself in the community, you know, you're kind
08:57:47
Brian Atlasof part of the community at that point. >> Okay. So, let's say we the Japanese put that aside, but let's say I've been there for 18 months. >> Well, that's a little different. a lot less time.
08:58:00
Brian Atlas>> Okay. You acknowledge that there are illegal immigrants in this country who have just got here who have been here for 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 10 months. >> Yes. >> Should they be deported? Then >> the whole point of America is to be a
08:58:11
Binamelting pot and to have a bunch of culture and and literally the leaders here don't want culture and don't want people with culture. your position.
08:58:21
Brian Atlas>> I I think I think nations can say, you know what, we allowed for this amount of legal immigration in the past, >> especially if they're sorry, >> we allowed for this amount of legal
08:58:32
Brian Atlasimmigration in the past. We accepted it. However, our circumstances have changed. The economy has changed. The cost of living has changed. The housing stock
08:58:42
Brian Atlashas changed. All kinds of factors have changed. We no longer want to allow this will allow this amount of legal immigration and we don't want any illegal immigration. Nothing wrong for a
08:58:55
Brian Atlascountry to do that whatsoever. Just because there was some difference in the past doesn't mean we need to continue it. Just like slavery used to be legal in the past definitely doesn't mean we
08:59:06
Brian Atlasshould continue slavery because it was done and practiced in the past. >> I don't think those things are related. >> I think it's perfectly a coherent point. I still really haven't got an answer from you, though. So, if I go ahead and
08:59:18
Brian Atlassay, you know what, you're right. If you've been here 40 years, maybe we shouldn't deport you. Are you prepared to say that if you've been here for 3 months that we can deport you and should deport you? >> Well, you haven't really set up a lot
08:59:30
Brian Atlashere. So, >> so you're fine with you're fine then with the deportation if they've been here for less than a year or >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. Common ground then? >> Yes.
08:59:42
Felicity>> I mean, where did this even come from? She was just talking about like facts over feelings and you brought up immigration and she's kind of just been like >> what's the cut off? Is there a cut off? Like how long do you have to be here before it's like wrong to deport
08:59:54
Marcasomebody? >> No. It depend on the situation. >> Oh my god. >> You asked the wrong person that >> they've been here for 3 years. Can we deport them? >> I think if they're paying taxes, they're
09:00:05
Marcaworking. They're not doing anything like >> to the mic if you can. I think if they're paying taxes, if they're working, if they're not. >> Okay. Well, so if I can I move to Japan. And >> I I don't know the I don't know how
09:00:18
Brian Atlastheir laws work. >> Who was from Who has been to Costa Rica? Was it you? >> I haven't been there. >> I forgot. Who's the Costa Rica person? >> It was me, but I just haven't been there yet. >> Oh, you haven't been there. Okay. Um I
09:00:30
Brian Atlasmean, can I just Can I move to Mexico? My Yes, you you can move to Costa Rica and you can move to Mexico, >> but can I illegally immigrate to Mexico and then protest? Actually, it's funny.
09:00:41
Brian AtlasCan I protest the Mexican government and be like pissed off at them and riot and burn down buildings because they want to deport me? >> You could do that, but you probably wouldn't end up being alive.
09:00:54
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh, interesting. We're not unaliviving uh illegal immigrants in this country because they're protesting or whatever or because they're here illegally. There's actually, I believe, didn't they
09:01:04
Brian Atlaspass a law, chat? In Mexico, if you're not a citizen of Mexico and you uh you protest in Mexico, that's a crime. >> That's a crime,
09:01:16
Brian AtlasI believe. Maybe somebody in the chat can help me out with that. Chat, can anybody tell me really quick? Really quick, if you can, what's the law precisely? Um, Mexico is having protests about American
09:01:29
Brian Atlasimmigrants right now. So, the Mexi the Mexicans don't want American immigrants. Uh, cuz some look,
09:01:36
Brian Atlassome Americans do move to uh Mexico. Uh, article 33 of the constit uh can you pull that back up?
09:01:48
Brian AtlasUnder con art article 33 of the Mexican constitution, it is strictly illegal for foreigners to participate in political activities in Mexico, which can include demonstrations. Participation in such
09:02:00
Brian Atlasactivities can lead to consequences like detention or deportation. Could you imagine if I went to Mexico and I was waving around an American flag and was like, "Fuck the Mexican government."
09:02:12
Brian AtlasBro, we're cooked in America. It's It's cooked here, boys. Um, okay. Okay, whatever. Off of immigration though, I can't linger on that. Uh, a few more notes for you. Uh,
09:02:27
Brian Atlasoh, this is like the last one or two things. Uh, you're very much a feminist. You'd love to discuss why you believe feminism is beneficial to society. >> I think we did already. >> Yeah, I think we already did. Uh,
09:02:39
Emilyjust why is feminism beneficial to society really quick? I think it allows people to live the life they want and not have to be in the constraints of one
09:02:50
Emilyway. Um, I know people when they talk about patriarchy, even though I don't think it's entirely accurate, um, like to glamorize the 1950s. Um, but not
09:03:01
Brian Atlaseveryone wants to live that way. >> Okay. You also, final thing, you enjoy your career very much, working life. Uh, you would like to speak your piece on why you don't think Tradife is a good fit for you? >> Yes. >> But you're fine with other people doing it?
09:03:15
Emily>> Yeah. >> Okay, whatever. I believe you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. Once again, I think the climate right now is to tell people to live one way and it's just not everyone's a good fit for that. I really
09:03:26
Emilydon't think I'd make a good stay-at-home mom. Um, some people do and they love it and that's good for them, but saying every woman needs to be a baby factory and stay at home isn't
09:03:36
Brian Atlas>> right. Do you think if would that be the best way though generally for most people to operate? >> You know what I'm going to say? >> It depends. >> Yeah.
09:03:49
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Well, do you think it like I know you don't want to have kids, but for women who do want to have kids, do you think it's better for them to be boss babes
09:03:59
Brian Atlasand then pass off the children to daycare, nanny, um, uh, child care, whatever it is. Or do you think it would be better if the man could just go out,
09:04:10
Brian Atlasmake the money, and they could dedicate their time to raising their children and not giving it to some third party who who knows what the [ __ ] they're doing with the kids? Look, probably most people in childare are fine. They're not
09:04:22
Brian Atlasgoing to like abuse the kid, but sometimes they get abused. Um, and then also I think the the not not reaching up to the threshold of abuse, but I think the actual care
09:04:34
Brian Atlasgiven, the mother is always going to give better care than some [ __ ] minimum wage $20 an hour worker working for some child child care. They're they're going to be less attentive.
09:04:46
Brian AtlasThey're dealing with other kids. it's not their kid. They're less invested. Mothers, the actual mothers will always t unless the mother is a piece of [ __ ] whatever. Most almost all mothers are going to be better suited to raise their
09:04:58
Brian Atlaschildren than some outsider. You agree with that? >> No. >> Uh what do you disagree with? You think >> I think there are >> Does it depend? >> It does depend.
09:05:11
Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, but I already >> It also I think depends on your child and their needs. >> But hold on. Okay. There are some mothers who are abusive. There are some child care workers who are fantastic and
09:05:22
Brian Atlaswill probably might treat them better than the mom. But on a balance of probabilities uh and but also there would also be
09:05:33
Brian Atlasabusive childare workers. So doesn't whatever um the loving mother is going to treat their child better than the loving childare worker because it's actually
09:05:44
Brian Atlastheir child. So knowing this, wouldn't it be better to for the sake of the children, wouldn't it be better to have moms raising their kids, not
09:05:56
Brian Atlas>> I think it'd be better to have >> daycare workers, >> parents raising their kids. Well, assuming somebody has to work and the traditional dynamic for most of human history has been, it's not to say that
09:06:08
Emilythe husband should be an absentee father, but he should go work, the woman stays home, takes care of the kid. >> That was a very small blip in time. I
09:06:20
Emilythink a lot of unless you were really wealthy, a lot of women went out and did something that may have taken their kid out to the field with them or something. But >> well, I mean, and historically I look, I'm not an expert in this, but it it
09:06:33
Emilyjust occurs to me, well, what do you do with the child? Like what who's the child with dur when the man's working? >> Well, mom would probably like peasants, medieval peasants. Mom would probably be
09:06:47
Brian Atlasworking too and then the kids would be doing whatever they could physically do at the time. >> Okay. Well, I think that small blip of human history was probably the superior
09:06:57
Brian Atlasway to structure society. Okay, that's your opinion. But >> even granting Even granting that it is a small blip in human history where the
09:07:08
Brian Atlasman went to work, woman stayed home, took care of the kids. Uh do you think that that's better than both parents working and then they shuck the kids off to childare? You think it's better for the kid?
09:07:21
Emily>> I think if one of the parents stays home, it doesn't have to be the mom. Yes. That's why I'm four. more maternal and paternal leave after birth. >> Wait, so it's better for
09:07:33
Brian Atlas>> a parent >> to be with a kid versus child care or >> nanny? >> Okay, so I mean sure, yeah, a guy could stay at home. Yeah, >> sure. I think most women aren't would
09:07:45
Brian Atlasnot be okay with that kind of arrangement, but maybe there there are some women out there who would be. But if the majority of women's will would be no, we're I I'll stay home.
09:07:58
Emily>> Yeah. I realistically >> when I say I, I mean them. >> It's I and especially since most people live paycheck to paycheck in the United States. Both parents are working. So you can say it's ideal all you want, but it's not reality.
09:08:11
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, sure. I I agree with that. I mean, and that's most of the blame can be rested on feminism. >> Okay. if you feel that way. >> It's not just that I feel that way. To be clear, I think women should have the
09:08:23
Brian Atlasoption to work, but I think there should be a cultural narrative and push to actually push towards nuclear family and traditional gender roles because there's
09:08:32
Brian Atlasbeen a massive push ever since feminism to no, no, no, women, focus on college, focus on your career, family, children
09:08:41
Binashould be secondary. I think it's it's built like that because men will leave you and then what do you have? You have nothing but a child to take care.
09:08:53
Brian Atlas>> I mean, our divorce rates are the highest they've ever been. >> Exactly. >> Now, now it's women will leave you. It's not clear to me if men were like massively divorcing their wives in the
09:09:06
Bina50s. >> Infidelity. We have one person here that's literally a victim of that. I know multiple people. >> Okay. >> And being left. >> Yeah. Men and women cheat.
09:09:16
Bina>> It's like But it's just like so we're going to need to have something for our own. Like if we're going to be divorced, what are we going to do? Like we you as a human being, you should make sure
09:09:29
Binayou're good. Cuz you come into this world alone. You're going to die out of this world alone. Like you need to make sure that you're good. And to be so like centered around dating and just like a
09:09:40
Binasignificant other or children or whatever, it's it's tox it can be toxic and it can be self-imploding because it's like are when are you going to take care of you and make sure that you're
09:09:52
Brian Atlasgood and stop letting everyone suck all the energy out of you? Like >> I I I almost feel like it's a privilege to not have to work to have a man there. >> What happens if you guys get divorced? Like you need to have something for
09:10:05
Brian Atlasyourself. Well, there's there's robust legal system that protects >> Indiana's got no alimony, though. >> I'm pretty I don't know if that's the only state that doesn't have alimony. Uh
09:10:15
Brian AtlasI my understanding is the majority of states in this country do have alimony. So that would be one mechanism by which um
09:10:25
Brian Atlaswomen could be protected in the event of some divorce. But overwhelmingly men don't initiate divorces. So >> no, >> it >> seems like women initially
09:10:36
Binaseems women do initiate divorces more >> even if that is true as they should because why should someone stay married to someone and be unhappy for the rest of your life again? >> Oh, so okay that so men can also just
09:10:48
BinaOkay, so what if the man just wants to divorce a woman for that reason? >> Okay, cool. But the woman should have something to fall back on. Like who's going to take care of you? Exactly. >> That's the whole point of like that's
09:11:00
Binathe whole reason honestly I think feminists even made it such a huge issue is like girl you need what do I do >> right like you need to make sure that you are good and hold on this idea purpose in life isn't just to have kids
09:11:12
Brian Atlasand like serve a man like >> this idea that women who have been married for years and years and years and they're just going to end up destitute and homeless because they get divorced is totally bogus. Of course, it
09:11:25
Binais going to have a financial impact on the woman. But this idea that like women can't, you know, end up finding a job or put picking their life together. She wants to have a 9 to5 their whole
09:11:37
Binalife. Like, no. >> Who wants to have a 9 to5 their whole life? >> Wait, I Wait, wait, wait. That doesn't even make sense. So, >> a woman isn't just going to get divorced and then have a career waiting for her. Like, she needs to build something for herself
09:11:49
Brian Atlas>> to fall back. Women can get Hold on. Yeah. Okay. If you've been out of the workplace for a while, yeah, maybe it's going to be difficult. You're not going to be jobless. You'll find a job eventually. You'll find your way. This idea that women are going to be
09:12:00
Brian Atlashomeless. There's massive social sec or excuse me, social safety nets for women. There's plenty of like there's plenty. But also, I don't understand this idea that that the woman
09:12:12
Brian Atlasdoesn't want a 9 to5, but you're arguing that they should have a 9 to5. Which is it? >> Pick a lane. No. No. It's either 9 to5. A career. >> Not a 9 to five. The career does not have to be 9 to5.
09:12:23
Bina>> Hold on. Women throughout their whole lives will have a 9 to5. Isn't that a career by the way? >> No. No. That's working for somebody. That's a job where you're working >> a slave to the system. That's not
09:12:35
Brian Atlas>> Most people are a slave to the system. >> Exactly. That's not okay. It's not It's not good. >> You real Wait, wait. That That's incoherent. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You realize that society is
09:12:48
Brian Atlasfor society function >> people are slaves to the system and have 9 to 5 jobs and are employees like that's the majority of people >> that's great but it shouldn't you
09:12:59
Binashouldn't do that your entire life like leave that to people >> well what's wrong with that >> there's more to life than that that's life I know most people >> okay not everybody's going to be a rock star not everybody
09:13:12
Marca>> it's not even about that it's like like other countries like people like having a job like like the things that we get taught here in United States is just like >> it's dull and it's
09:13:24
Marca>> you think in Italy everybody's a [ __ ] rock star. >> That's not No, but there I'm glad you brought up Italy life and just working like there's like literally >> but but this idea >> like that's a sad life. Who wants to
09:13:36
Brian Atlaslike work like their whole life? Like that's not >> so many [ __ ] people do that. You guys live in fantasy land their life. >> No, not necessarily. I think No, I think
09:13:47
Brian Atlaslook a job for 9 to five people. >> Let me finish. Let me finish. I look maybe like Yeah, having a 9 to5 might not be super fulfilling, but most people realize that you know what? I'm not
09:13:59
Brian Atlasgoing to amount to anything more. >> That's horrible. >> Okay. Well, it is. >> That's the American dream. >> Okay. Welcome to [ __ ] reality. Were here's your wake up >> to America, >> bro. What? Bro, you don't Hold on. I
09:14:10
Brian Atlasactually think we are so pampered that we believe we all are owed some amazing career and we you all want to be rock stars and movie stars and all and [ __ ] boss babes all this [ __ ]
09:14:22
Marcawanting >> no it's not there's a greater duty than just [ __ ] traveling and getting [ __ ] by some guy in a nobody's saying that no traveling is I think traveling everyone should travel like that like
09:14:35
Brian Atlasworld people don't travel >> women and Man, mass travel is like a very it's a blip on the radar in terms of human history. Most people didn't leave [ __ ] 10 miles for all of human
09:14:48
Brian Atlashistory. You lived in your [ __ ] village for your whole life. I don't think, look, traveling's great. I actually don't think it's all that sad. Humans have been happy living in their village, having families, having
09:14:59
Brian Atlaschildren. Traveling's great. You can do it. You don't need to be some like people who drive buses for work go on vacations. This idea that vacations and
09:15:10
Brian Atlastraveling is exclusively like the realm of the ultra wealthy is ridiculous. People with normal jobs travel all the time. They even travel internationally.
09:15:20
Brian AtlasThis idea that well, you know, if you have a nineto-ive job, no, probably the majority of people who do travel have normal 9-to-five jobs. Mhm. >> You don't need to be some giga
09:15:31
Binamillionaire playboy, play girl, whatever to go to Costa Rica. >> You don't have to be that there. You could be, >> right? But it's not sad to have a 9 to 5.
09:15:43
Brian Atlas>> People, the point I was going to make is people make the trade-off. They're like, you know what? Look, >> I'm not going to be a movie star. I'm not going to be a rock star. I'm not going to do some big massive thing. But they will say, you know what, I've got
09:15:54
Brian Atlasthe job. It covers my expenses. I can have my leisure time after work and on the weekends. I can enjoy and I can pursue my passions on my time off.
09:16:05
Bina>> It's usually not the case with the 9 to5 like at all. >> You have weekends. Hold on. There's plent What? >> It's not enough. 3 days is not enough. This is the majority of people to paycheck.
09:16:18
Brian Atlas>> Hold on. The majority of people have these jobs and they live h mostly happy fulfilling lives. And this idea that if you have a 9 to5, it's all gloom and doom and you're no, they enjoy their
09:16:31
Brian Atlasleisure time off of work. Yeah, sure. It'd be nice if nobody ever had to work ever, I guess, and we could just play video games all day and [ __ ] and do all this crazy [ __ ] >> You can definitely create a like bigger
09:16:43
Binalike a career. You don't need to just have a 9 to 5 and then marry someone, have kids, then you guys don't work out, then it's back to a 9 to5. >> Why would you assume that though? Why does that have to be the default? Because if a woman is not banking
09:16:56
Brian Atlasanything anything for herself, what's going to happen? She's had will have nothing but a basic job. >> Okay. And what about if a woman strictly pursues her career ambitions and she's 35 and she doesn't have kids and she
09:17:08
Brian Atlasdoesn't have a family and then she goes she we push it to 40 and we push it to 45. So there's negative outcomes. There's negative outcomes. Well, what's what's wrong with a woman getting married?
09:17:18
Brian Atlas>> Nothing. But definitely have something to just be a housewife. >> If you can assume the worst for the traditional scenario, then you also can
09:17:29
Binaassume the worst for the modern scenario, which is she never gets married, she never has kids, and she dies alone. >> It's not dying alone. I would love to die with my friends. Like, are you
09:17:41
Brian Atlaskidding me? You think they're your friends now, but I tell I'm guarantee you if they end up with somebody, you'll call them once a year and you'll never see them. Trust me. >> That's not true. >> Trust me. I've got a bunch of friends who got families like
09:17:54
Bina>> But that's the issue with generation. It changes things. >> That's the issue with your generation. >> My generation. This is going to be more the case for your generation. >> I just don't think so. You know what? To each >> We have a way more sense of community.
09:18:06
Brian AtlasWe have a way more. >> I I would be willing to bet that you two don't know each other in 20 years time. >> How long have you known each other? >> Long enough. >> What? A year? >> No. >> You met 3 months ago? How long have you guys known each other? >> Longer. Couple years.
09:18:21
Bina>> Couple years. >> Couple years. You guys won't be friends in 20 years. >> Yeah, that's just not the case. >> Okay, prove me wrong. >> We've gone through way way too much and we literally live together like to
09:18:32
Brian Atlasanybody. Okay. What happens when homeg girl over here, she wants to move in with her fiance in, I don't know, New York, and you want to stay on the West Coast.
09:18:43
Bina>> That's fine. We already we literally live by coastal. Like, >> the reality is we're going to have multiple homes. Like, we already do that. >> We already do that. >> Send me a reminder. Send me a reminder email in 20 years. We'll see if you guys are still friends.
09:18:56
Kelsey Risk>> I will do that. Perfect. >> So, Brian, I got a question for you. Why do you think uh a majority of the women file for divorce? Cuz I've heard you take that stance before on the >> uh it depends. >> So it it depends.
09:19:07
Brian Atlas>> It depends. >> Oh, >> it Well, >> that is funny. He didn't like that word the whole time. >> Well, there no, but there are actually different reasons for why people get divorced. M
09:19:19
Brian Atlas>> so I mean there's financial reasons obviously there can be like abuse there can be infidelity but my understanding the primary reason why uh that that is cited for divorce is financial reasons
09:19:31
Brian Atlasuh so yeah I mean I I don't know specifically I think women just are just they ultimately end up unhappy vaguely unhappy you know you know
09:19:44
Kelsey Riskwhatever he's not abusive he doesn't mistreat me he doesn't But I'm just not happy. >> I feel like and then they divorce their >> husband. The majority of women filing for divorce. I think it's mostly abuse
09:19:57
Kelsey Riskstatistics. >> It's not. No, no, no. There's no way the majority of divorces are due to abuse. >> I'm not saying that it's it's strictly abuse. But what if because I do know of
09:20:09
Kelsey Riskladies whose husbands left them, wanted the divorce but would not initiate it and told the wives, >> you have to go and fill out the paperwork and do it because I'm not going to do it, but I'm never coming back to you.
09:20:21
Kelsey Risk>> So, in that instance, for the statistics, it's, oh, the woman filed for the divorce, but she didn't want that. So, >> my my thing is there's more than just,
09:20:31
Kelsey Riskoh, it was financial. Oh, she's unhappy. Oh, there's this. I I just want to know how the data was broken down that you had. I just don't I don't know the specific reasons for you know whatever.
09:20:43
Brian AtlasI know that women do overwhelmingly initiate divorces. My understanding is most divorces are due to some financial
09:20:52
Brian Atlasissues, financial reasons. That's what I've heard. But um I mean to say that majority of divorces are due to abuse, >> I don't know that. I was >> no evidence for that. Um >> I don't I haven't I don't have a phone.
09:21:04
Kelsey RiskI can't do any like I can't do any like searching up but you can so you can let us know what what is it what's the cause >> I didn't know if there was also like the group of men who are like I don't want to go initiate the divorce I'll let her
09:21:16
Kelsey Riskdo that she can do all the work I want my hands clean of it oh and by the way that statistic will go back on you because you're the petitioner >> so it it makes the women out to be the
09:21:27
Kelsey Riskones who are the bad guys and issues in that case I I just didn't know if your research had it broken down by percentage just like that. >> That kind of happened with my parents. It they were in a not great real. It
09:21:40
Emilywasn't abusive or anything, but they just weren't good for each other. They stayed together and my dad was very much in denial about it, but you wouldn't get file. So, my mom did when I was 21. I
09:21:51
Emilywasn't surprised at all. But it, you know, came back on her now that now 10 year or 11 years out, um, they're actually both doing pretty well for themselves. And oddly enough, my
09:22:03
Brian Atlasrelationship with my dad improved greatly after they got divorced. So, >> uh, women too, thank you for the, uh, looks like you bought a hoodie. Thank you very much for your merch shop purchase. Uh, I don't know. I guess to
09:22:15
Brian Atlaswrap things up here, um, I think the best way to structure society on the macro and micro level would be to have nuclear family, to have um,
09:22:28
Brian Atlasto have a more traditional dynamic. I think that's the best for society. Uh, I think probably women will be happier with that kind of arrangement, men will probably be happier, marriages will last
09:22:39
Brian Atlaslonger, children will be happier. I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to work, but I think the same sort of programming and propaganda that we've put out to make women believe that,
09:22:51
Brian Atlasyeah, boss babe, college, blah, blah, blah, pursue career, pursue career, pursue career to the detriment of pursuing marriage, relationship, children, etc. We should have some
09:23:03
Brian Atlascounterprogramming, counter propaganda to say work is there if you want it, but this is the more fulfilling path. Husband, children,
09:23:16
Emilythat's more fulfilling. >> I think once again, it depends. >> Oh my god. >> But, you know, I definitely I do know some women in my life who don't like
09:23:28
Emilyworking and would love to be stay-at-home moms. And yeah, not everyone's cut out for a career, just like growing up, you know. >> Yo, thank you for the gifted 20. Appreciate it. >> Um, they really pushed college for
09:23:40
Emilyeveryone, but some people are more suited for the trades. So, there's nothing wrong with telling people you can be a stay at home mom. So, >> okay. I I think it's a better way to structure society, though. >> All right, that's >> Okay, cool. All right. Well, I think
09:23:54
Brian Atlasthat's pretty much it. Any final thoughts from anybody? Otherwise, I'll wrap up the show. >> Thank you for this opportunity. Thank you. >> It was great being on here. >> Thank you guys. You guys were cool. It was a fun panel. Uh final thing. Can you guys make a machine gun noise one last
09:24:06
SPEAKER_02time? Just kidding. >> You go first. >> Yeah. >> No. Why can't we hear yours? >> I uh I I just >> I'll wait. I'll wait to do it. Um Okay.
09:24:18
Brian AtlasSo, I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't ask Cena to stop being a trumpet on the internet. Will you stop doing Only Fans tonight? >> Where's the $1? The $1, >> the $2.
09:24:31
Brian Atlas>> Oh, the $2. >> $2 bill. Oh my god, she's already trying to finesse. Uh, okay. So, is that a is that a no then? No, she won't stop doing her bills. >> Stop doing OS. >> Are you going to pay her bills?
09:24:41
Brian Atlas>> I'll hire you. You can be you can be uh like on one of the Felicities. >> You can just hit >> you just you. >> Yeah. U No, you can you can be um
09:24:53
Brian Atlasbackground character like Felicity. Okay. Anyways, uh so all right. Well, GG. >> Well played >> to the panel. Last call. Hit the like button, please. On your way out.
09:25:05
Brian Atlas>> Bye. >> Please. Shut up, Felicity. Wait. Uh, please leave a nice comment once the live ends. I read them. Positivity is nice. Say something nice about the show.
09:25:16
Brian AtlasWhatever. I thought it was a fun panel. It was a fun show. Uh, let's see. Long show. Long long show. I blame Felicity. She talks too much. Uh, also I blame
09:25:26
Brian AtlasCena. she talks too much. Um, so yeah, it's all your guys's fault. Anyways, uh, thank you guys for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me. I appreciate that. Thank you to everyone
09:25:38
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