She DIVORCED Him For BAD $3X?! Dating A FEEDER?! Husband CHEATED With Men?! | Dating Talk #147

Date: 2024-03-27

Duration: 7h 42m

Guests

Brian Atlas

NNaomi (DT147)>

TTaylor (DT147)>

JJamill (DT147)>

KKatie (DT147)>

NNatalie Winters >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Naomi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_07Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jamill (+ Kira bleed)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bri(guest)

SPEAKER_12Katie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_14Natalie Winters(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. Nine guests introduce themselves. Notable: Natalie Winters (War Room co-host, returning), Naomi (OnlyFans, returning ~1 month), Jamill (39yo RN, divorced after 18yr marriage). Show title references three key stories: bad sex divorce, feeder fetish, husband cheating with men.

“"we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

Key MomentJamill reveals her 18-year marriage ended after husband disclosed Craigslist affairs with men and desire to swing with both men and women. She refused and initiated divorce ~2 years ago. Led to extended dead bedroom. Has 2 kids. Now in a 1-month FWB. This is the "Husband CHEATED With Men" title reference.

“"one of the first things being that he started seeing some people some guys from Craigslist"”

Key MomentBri reveals her 5-year ex had a secret feeder/weight-gain fetish. Discovered 400+ messages on his drunk phone at a friend's wedding showing him telling overweight women to gain weight and monitoring their food intake. He had been taking Bri to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week. This is the "Dating A FEEDER" title reference.

“"it was like a feeding fetish chubby chaser it wasn't even just chubby chasing feeder"”

QuoteBri describes discovering her feeder ex had been taking her to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week during COVID as part of his feeding behavior. "I thought going out to all you can eat sushi multiple times a week was normal — it's not."

“"going out to all you can eat sushi multiple times a week was normal it's not"”

ControversyNatalie Winters (War Room co-host) debates OnlyFans creators Naomi and Mari on ethics and societal impact of sex work. Argues it destroys nuclear family, is anti-intellectual, and predatory on lonely men. Naomi/Mari defend with companionship and autonomy arguments. Extended debate touches on Christianity, porn addiction, feminist theory.

“"I just think what you guys do is considerably considerably worse for the country for society"”

QuoteMari defends OnlyFans using reincarnation theology: her physical body will not carry to the next life so her current physical choices are irrelevant from a spiritual standpoint.

“"I believe in reincarnation so my body right now this body isn't going to come with me to the next life"”

QuoteNatalie Winters reveals she has been sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party for investigative reporting and has been cited by Congress.

“"I'm sanctioned by the Chinese Communist party because of my investigative reporting I'm cited by Congress"”

OtherSelf-ratings round. Most women rate themselves 10. Mari: 10 (mood-dependent). Emmy: 10. Naomi: 10. Katie: 6. Bri: 8. Brian: 5. Brian declines to validate the 10 self-ratings. Viewer TTS donor assigns ratings by clothing description.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you"”

ControversyMari suggests men who prefer virgins are "predatory" (pedo-adjacent). Unable to defend argument when Brian challenges with 25-year-old virgin scenario. Says it "just gives the ick." Cannot name 10 books supporting her witchcraft beliefs. Calls Christianity a cult based on a missionary's explanation of grace. Double standard noted: will not make same claim about Islam.

“"it just gives you the ick potentially pword potentially"”

QuoteBody count round: Naomi states body count is "less than 20" and declines exact number. Mari states 5, Brian applies ×3 rule of thumb. Jamill's count of 29 referenced in group.

“"uh five five mhm I'm 22 years old multiply by three and that's the real number"”

QuoteKatie argues people can grow beyond a high body count or promiscuous past. "There's always a lid to every pot" — even someone with an egregious past can find someone who accepts them for who they are now.

“"there's always a lid to every pot so even if you do egregious things when you're younger"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian wraps up around 7:42 AM (running very late). Raids Twitch streamer. Crew signs off.

“"it is quite literally past my bedtime"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Nine guests introduce themselves: Mari (22, Orlando, event promoter/OnlyFans), Emmy (22, Bay Area, UCSB sociology), Naomi (26, Phoenix, OnlyFans, returning), Taylor (25, Bay Area, RBT), Kira (24, Bay Area, SBCC comm), Jamill (39, RN/standup comedian, divorced 18yr marriage), Katie (41, OC, optical, single 7yr), Bri (26, Santa Clarita, public health student), Natalie Winters (23, Palm Beach, War Room co-host, returning). Relationship status round: three guests are returning (Naomi, Natalie Winters, and Kira per context). Notable: Jamill recently divorced after husband revealed interest in men and swinging.

Jamill: husband cheated with men / divorce story

Jamill (SPEAKER_10) describes her 18-year marriage ending: husband confessed around year 14-15 that he had been seeing men from Craigslist, then disclosed he wanted to swing with other men and women. She refused and initiated divorce ~2 years ago. Preceded by an extended dead bedroom. She was married 2005. Two kids.

Bri: ex-boyfriend feeder fetish story

Bri (SPEAKER_11) reveals her 5-year ex-boyfriend had a secret feeder/weight-gain fetish. Discovered 400+ messages on his drunk phone at a friend's wedding. Messages showed him monitoring women's food intake pre/post meals, telling them they weren't worthy unless they gained. He had taken Bri to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week. She had gained weight during COVID; he encouraged it. After breakup: had brief revenge sex with 2 men.

OnlyFans debate: ethics, value, and societal impact

Extended debate between Natalie Winters (SPEAKER_14, anti-OnlyFans), Naomi (SPEAKER_03, does OnlyFans), and Mari (SPEAKER_06, does OnlyFans). Natalie argues OnlyFans normalizes commodification of women's bodies and destroys nuclear family. Naomi and Mari argue it provides companionship, is no different from Twitch, and is her choice. Religion debate embedded: Bri (SPEAKER_11, Christian) engages Natalie on Christianity vs. Mari's reincarnation/spiritual worldview. Natalie's credentials: War Room co-host, sanctioned by CCP, cited by Congress. Naomi defends: she was in corporate tech before, does OnlyFans by choice, parents are supportive. Porn addiction debate: Naomi disputes it's scientifically proven; Brian cites Adams et al. 1999.

Christianity vs. OnlyFans / religion and sexuality debate

Embedded in OnlyFans debate: Mari and Naomi defend their work using reincarnation and "it's going to happen anyway" arguments. Bri and Natalie push back from Christian perspective. Mari: "I believe in reincarnation — this body doesn't come with me to the next life." Bri: discusses exit plan from sex work and Christian accountability. Natalie: argues promiscuity has more societal cost for women than men (pair bonding argument). Reference to Michael Knowles's 10-year partying period vs. now being traditional.

Relationship status and single panel details

Brian goes around table examining single women's dating situations. Taylor: 3 years single, 8-month situationship; hookups that didn't become relationships. Kira: 1 year single, not looking (moving). Mari: 1.5-2 years single. Emmy: 6-7 months, not looking (moving). Jamill: FWB 1 month, most serious since divorce. Naomi: 2+ years single. Katie: single 7 years, briefly dated in summer. Bri: just out of 5-year relationship (a few weeks). Natalie: has a man "a little in the picture."

Roster / dating multiple people simultaneously

Brian asks who has dated or slept with multiple people simultaneously. Bri (SPEAKER_11): yes, 2 men after 5-year breakup (revenge sex). Someone (likely Taylor/Emmy, SPEAKER_02): 3-4 people casually in past. Others: mixed; most say no roster or just casual overlap. Mari: relationship girl; doesn't maintain a roster. Natalie: "never had a roster."

Partner preferences round

Brian asks each guest desired partner income and number of kids. Mari: min $50k; 3 kids. Emmy: just financially stable; ~2 kids (unsure). Naomi: depends on lifestyle; 3-5 kids. Taylor: stable; 2 kids max. Kira: not specified clearly. Jamill: enough for kids to live comfortably. Katie: at least $75-80k; one child (done; IUD). Bri: stability; stay-at-home mom early on; 2 kids. Natalie: more than her father (infectious disease doctor); 2-3+ kids (above replacement). Brian: would marry if she's rich and has large labia (joke/tangent).

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Viewer (Stiffler) asks panel to rate looks 1-10. Order (going around table): Mari: 10 (mood-dependent; sometimes 1). Emmy: 10. Naomi: 10. Someone (Taylor or Kira): 7. Someone: 6. Someone (Jamill): 7 approx. Katie: 6. Bri: 8. Natalie: did not explicitly state (donor rated her ~6.8). Brian: 5. Brian declines to assign ratings to guests ("you guys are not tens — no offense"). Donor TTS: "natal 6.8 Raven hair 7 used baggage 3 mamas San 2 obes blond 2 bimbo 4 a cup bimbo 3 deep voice C four goth thard."

League theory / men sleeping outside their league

Brian explains theory: women get rejected on the back end, men on the front end. Men will sleep with women below their league but not commit; this creates situationships when women overestimate their league. "Your league is who you can get commitment from, not who you can sleep with." Debate over whether women who self-rate high are delusional. Extended discussion with Emmy (SPEAKER_02) who says rating is subjective/pointless. "Will you be more attractive in 10-20 years?" round: Most guests say yes; Brian calls it delusional for those over 22. Exception: Bri (26) says no, youthfulness peaks earlier.

Would you date a World of Warcraft player

Brian asks if guests would date a WoW player (7-14 hrs/day). Emmy: 7 hours is a lot but if he's making money streaming, ok. Bri: no (it's too much time). Mari: if he's a Twitch streamer making money, maybe. Katie: her ex/baby daddy played Dungeons & Dragons. Brian discusses Season of Discovery Phase 3, raid composition, guild leader responsibilities, split-raiding for loot. Twitch raid from "Stay Safe" mid-show.

Plastic surgery / cosmetic procedures debate

Brian reconfirms natural body supremacist position. Prefers: flat chest over implants, natural labia over labiaplasty, natural lips over filler, natural belly over lipo, natural ass over BBL. Naomi reveals she got a labiaplasty during her year of celibacy (2022). Brian: "that's a dagger to my heart." Katie: former esthetician; left beauty industry over values conflicts. Discussion of who is to blame for unrealistic beauty standards: majority say "a little bit of both" (men and women). Brian: biological male preferences (large butts, big breasts) drive some of it, but not blame per se. Natalie: cosmetics companies and social media are primary drivers.

Abortion debate

Brief abortion discussion triggered by chat TTS. Emmy (SPEAKER_02): abortion acceptable for emergency situations; not a simple issue. Bri (SPEAKER_11): values life; stricter position. Brian: returns to topic briefly then moves on.

Who should pay on dates

Brian asks who should pay on a first date. Mari and Naomi: whoever asks should pay. Emmy: man should pay to show he's courting. Bri: traditional — man should pay. Katie: split down the middle (first couple dates); once in relationship, alternating. Natalie: man pays as provider expression. Brian: suboptimal to pay for women who made prior men wait but now won't make you wait.

Last name debate: would you take husband's name

Brian asks if women would take husband's last name. Most say yes or probably yes. Bri: yes (traditional). Natalie: yes. Mari: probably yes but depends on last name. Katie and others: probably/open to it.

Virgin preference / "pedo" debate

Mari (SPEAKER_06) suggests men who prefer virgin women may be "predatory" (pedo adjacent). Brian challenges: is a 25-year-old virgin woman's male admirer a pedo? Mari cannot explain her argument; says it "gives the ick." Brian: are Christian and Muslim men who prefer virgins PWs? Mari says yes for Christians, avoids comment on Muslims. Bri (SPEAKER_11) and Natalie (SPEAKER_14) push back as Christians. Mari calls Christianity a "cult" due to her interpretation of grace/salvation doctrine. Bri explains Christian theology on free will and grace. Brian notes double standard: Mari criticizes Christianity but not Islam.

Body count round

Brian asks guests for body counts. Mari (SPEAKER_06): 5 (Brian applied ×3 skepticism). Naomi (SPEAKER_03): declined ("less than 20"). Group count round: "Angel nine, 29" called out — Jamill stated 29. Bri (SPEAKER_11): less than 10 (only within relationships). Natalie Winters (SPEAKER_14): declined to disclose. Brian: declined ("personal rule not to disclose"). Extended debate: does body count define a person? Katie (SPEAKER_12): disagrees — people can change and grow. Natalie: there is a meaningful difference between men's and women's promiscuity impacts.

Transcript

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Natalie Winterswhy you wouldn't date a man who doesn't identify as a feminist but you can't give one example of where women and men aren't equal except for women getting paid less in sports but you just admitted it's cuz they get less views yeah but I also don't think just because

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)they get less views should that mean they should get paid less you know what I mean so you think that bring almost more championships than men sometimes

Natalie Wintersyou're saying specifically in the context of USA teams competing on the international stage like female teams perform better than male teams so they should make more money even though they bring in less

Natalie Winterssponsorships viewerships and promotional deals yes how is that financially feasible be paid fairly for all the work that they put in so fairly is just because they're women doing the same

Natalie Wintersthing it's has nothing to do with the economics or finances of run a business just for the sake of gender equality we should just give women more money because they're women so I think what you're arguing is for equity and not equality because women have equality

Briwomen have the opportunity to play sports but what you're saying is you want the equity to be the same as the equity within a man's or a male Sport and financially economically unfortunately the world just doesn't

Natalie Winterswork like that and that's why it is the way it is also to extrapolate that men and women are not equal and the one anecdotal example that You' sort of debunked gave was like a niche issue of women's sports is there anything that

Natalie Wintersmaybe affects more than like the maybe Collective thousand 10,000 women in the United States who are professional athletes I don't know so I'm I'm just I'm asking this C I just I mean this

Natalie Wintersgenuinely like I know it's the normal thing to say you're a feminist right like if you don't say it maybe you get pushed back on a college campus or just sort of like the normal thing to do I feel like most women probably like oh

Natalie Wintersyeah I'm a feminist cuz that means men and women are equal but it sounds like you you don't really have like a very wellth thought out explanation as to why you identify as one so like where do you

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)think that programming comes from or why do you identify I guess I would say I'm a feminism just because I just think like girls should support like other girls and just like whatever their Endeavors may be in

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)life that's my answer so it's not that men and women are unequal in society no well I mean I do think that they are unequal by ically yes I think they're unequal because there's more

Natalie Wintersthings they're unequal biologically isn't that why there's a pay disparity right because people would rather watch male Sports because male athletes typically even at like a college level can outperform some of the most elite

Natalie Wintersfemale athletes high school high school middle school SCH women Again Sports I think is is a niche example but like what's I mean anyone on the panel who

Natalie Winterssaid they're feminists can you give me one way that men and women aren't equal and today's society isn't there a don't say pay capap don't say wage Gap I was

Natalie Wintersjust going to say that yes so go ahead enlighten me so that number that you're quoting there's a reason is they took the average of all the wages that men

Natalie Winterswho are basically employees or work aren't just you know doing a hobby at home little small business men women didn't time control any variables for

Natalie Winterstime education salary time spent in the job what the job is and they just averaged it they didn't control for anything now I'm no fan of sociological studies and frankly this is why because they don't control for a lot of

Natalie Wintersvariables but they averaged it and then they said well women make 73 cents on a dollar but if you actually ad adjust for a lot of those variables and some of the more recent studies they've done they've actually found that the pay Gap diminishes virtually to zero and in a

Natalie Winterslot of urban areas women actually tend to outperform men and frankly if you get into the whole the entire Dei push in most of corporate America I think you could even start to say that underqualified women and other forms of

Natalie Wintersminorities though women aren't a minority are overpaid in terms of their credentials and qualifications for a job but the pay Gap just does not exist at all and I would ask you this if you guys think the wage Gap exists if Brian could

Natalie Wintershire the two of us and get away with paying H get away with paying me 75% less why wouldn't he do that and why wouldn't the entire Workforce be basically all female like there's this

Natalie Wintersgreat loophole that Corporate America has that you just like it to save 25% on expenses if you hire women true so so so does the wage Gap

Natalie Wintersexists I just think you're brainwashed something you think I'm brainwashed you just said you're a feminist and you can't even give me one way to explain why you are feminism that's all I have to say just I just think you're hey

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)feminism to me means that I feel empowered okay like I just feel like uh I feel like women should be able to exercise their independence that's I mean there's a lot of how can

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)you not exercise your Independence in today's society um I just feel like that there's a lot of social norms that uh

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)that I don't know if I'm best explaining this but I mean I I think that there is a lot of um expectations for women to

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)behave a certain way and um I think like pushing out of those those Norms or those cultural norms is are there not expectations for men to behave a certain

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)way too yes there are absolutely but when I say that I'm a feminist I mean like I feel like like females are empowered that's that's what that means to me but impli in that I

Natalie Wintersfeel like is that there are societal forces that are stripping you away of your empowerment so I guess what I'm saying is wage Gap aside how are you not empowered I I would almost argue it's easier to start a business in America as

Natalie Wintersa woman you have preferential treatment when it comes to loans like preferential hiring processes um literally just because you're women women are the majority of college graduates um I mean it's life being a a woman I feel like in

Natalie Winterssome ways kind of Life on easy mode if you play into the corporate structure so how are you not I mean they literally have empowerment programs that they don't allow men let alone straight white

Natalie Wintersmen in so there's literally a multi-billion Dollar corporate push to empower women so how are you not empowered I I'm just saying like I I am a

Natalie Wintersproponent of a feeling Empower I'm a proponent of female empowerment too people say my boss is a misogynist and he is a female co-host but I think female empowerment doesn't come from

Natalie Winterspretending that there are issues in society saying that we're unequal to men and I think if you guys all consider you know you think I'm brainwashed you can think that but you also espouse an

Natalie Wintersideology that you can't even give me literally one example why you actually believe it let alone Define it but you just slap that label on because that's what mainstream society's told you to

Brian Atlasbelieve so I think you're actually the one who brainwashed I'm brainwashed girl you are so based thank you do you want to actually yeah aside from just insulting her do you want to actually present an argument

Marifor why you think she's brainwashed um I'm just listening to everything she's saying and I'm getting the knowledge in and I just do you want to raise actual objections or do you want to just insult I think I don't

Marithink I should bring it up on this podcast you can bring it up not ESS it's just too deep and

Unknownpersonal it's related to feminism yeah it's too deep in personal okay mhm I'm still waiting for

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)one example wait so can I say something actually yeah go ahead then I have a couple questions I was going to say you seem to be really updated on like like recent studies that show there may not

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)be a wage Gap but there's always outlying situations like I have experienced being paid less than my male co-workers even though we're working the same position well you're lucky that you live in a country where there's codified

Brian Atlaslegislation that would allow you to Sue and get your rightful money I am but I'm just saying I have experience can we dive deep a little deeper into that what was the job um I worked at a boba and

Brian Atlascheese shop in high school and you guys both started at the exact same time no I started before you started before a couple weeks before

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)same position and he was being paid $2 more an hour than me did he have more education no I had the same experience was the job there was no difference in

Brian Atlasthe job title no did you ask your boss why why the discrepancy no I did not um is it possible that he negotiated his

Natalie Winterssalary and you didn't no they just gave it to him yeah okay 100% they do that it and it was you said it was a boba shop yeah was the boss a male or a female it

Brian Atlasa female okay oh well there you have it okay so one other question was there any expectation of like lifting anything heavy no there's

Brian Atlasno like requirement to lift I mean if there's a lot of boba maybe she could probably lift I don't know I mean it's been anecdotal I don't know if that specific example is evidence of I'm just kidding

Natalie Wintersask for a promote did you ask to get paid more or paid equivalently no I didn't ask that right there is the other reason why I think in some ways that the wage Gap exists because men men and women are different in asking for ra

NaomiI've also experienced differences in pay when I was in sales in Tech sales I was being paid like a third of what my male counterparts were being paid but I did advocate for myself and I kept getting

Brian Atlasraises because of that but their argument you're pay you're getting paid oneir base salary so if they were making if you were making a 100,000 they were

Naomimaking 300,000 I wasn't making 100,000 at a time I was example they were making some of them were making three times so if you're making 50k they were making 150k is my math right there yeah a third

Brian Atlasmhm yeah that's a good examp was is it a Commission job sales isn't that often commission based salary and commission but that was the thing so total compensation or plus commission they

Naomiwere getting salary plus commission would be different off off rip technically because of your different salaries but because were you selling the same products mhm yeah but

Naomibecause I did well in my sales I mean I was good but I would argue like yeah in certain scenarios that does happen but in mine it was because also I had less experience even though I was a top

Brian Atlasperformer so I had to step away for a bit I know you were going around the table asking if everyone's who's a feminist did we get all the way around the table on that everyone got the answer and then somehow the wage Gap

Brian Atlascame up and I heard something about sports so is it the case so that was a good clip was it the S the women's sports should be paid the same as men's sports is that yeah but I obviously I

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)understand like the women don't get as many views I'm just saying it sucks because they are like they perform they do the same things as men like they're working hard every single day they bring home championships I think like it does

Katiesuck that people don't watch women's sports enough but who's I mean does it depend on the sport are there some women's sports that get more views than men it depends but Bender the offender

TTS Donation Readerdonated $100 women being equal in the eyes of the law is a good thing it's whenever equality in terms of physicality and mentality becomes a jack of all trades

Natalie Wintersbut master of none type scenario do you have the same issue though that say most like female only fans creators get paid more than men they're female model they're probably put no I think that they should if they're

TTS Donation Readerputting in the same work like yeah they should PA not really an optimal way of running an economy the handyman donated $100 brickson thanks for everything you do to teach young women the ways side

Brian Atlasnote ignore the brain dead goth girl please ffs first time TTS love the show F the good fight thank you for your first time TTS really

Natalie Wintersappreciate your generosity and patronage thank you man appreciate it I will say I am not well educated with like economics and everything I'm just that is an and I'm not attacking you guys obviously I do this for a

Natalie Wintersliving so it's slightly different but I actually don't really do the cultural stuff like I said my my wheelhouse really is the China stuff I just like to think I'm an impartial Observer but it's just interesting to me because like does

Natalie Wintersit not does it not weird you out to some extent that you're like I'm a feminist like you have such this ingrained thing to be like women need to be treated

Natalie Wintersequal I need empowerment like Society is not fair you know it's not equal but then when you you've never actually thought about it like you sort of

Natalie Wintersreverse engineered your thought process in other words you started with the culmination instead of actually doing the debate and digging into it right you guys have all told me like oh well you're so much more well researched than I am on this issue I'm really not like I

Natalie Winterssaid I don't do the cultural stuff but I just would don't you feel weird like having an opinion that you haven't done the research on and it's just an opinion that you have because corporations put

Mariout commercials making it normalized to be a feminist and that's yeah I would agree with that I guess but I also experienced it like kind of her so like I know the bad parts of it and I did ask

Natalie Wintersfor a raise I cried to my manager I worked there was your manager a male or female it was a female okay but so if the issue is not being empowered and you think it's a patriarchy the two of you

Natalie Wintersjust told me the one an Al example you say the the one anecdotal example we can get of a alleged pay Gap was at the hands of a a

Brian Atlaswoman well so how is it men keeping you down no no I never said men were keeping me down really quick just so I I cuz I was gone who said they were feminist

Brian Atlasjust show hands I said moderately I also said moderately no no yeah you yes yes yes yes yes okay got it let me read this chat really quick we'll come back to it uh actually Natalie could you read it

Natalie Wintersexample of female empowerment how about while serving 12 years in the US Army females would purposely get pregnant to avoid deployments or get out of doing work or go home early because of cramps there's only feminism in a free country

Brian Atlasprovided by men Joker dece Ace thank you man appreciate your Super Chat actually let me kind of uh piggyback off this a little bit uh question so what do you

Brian Atlasthink about demands for equal equal pay in physically demanding jobs such as firefighter police officer labor

Brian AtlasSoldier like do you think for example women in the military firefighters police officers laborers let's remove laborers do you think that they there should be equal

Brian Atlaspay in those circumstances didn't she say there's equal pay well there no there is yeah do you do you think there should be though I'm saying yeah okay so for

Brian Atlasexample the physical requirements though to become a firefighter or police officer Soldier you know there there's like a physical tests there's there's not just one standard there's the male standard and

Brian Atlasthe female standard and the physical requirements that women need to achieve are far lower than for their male counterparts um given that there's these

Brian Atlasare physically laborious jobs do you it it sounds like to me equal pay for unequal work because if there's a bigger physical um if there's a bigger physical

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)burden on men in these jobs wouldn't it stand to reason that they ought to be paid more well I think everybody could put the same amount of work in technically and if men are sorry

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)go ahead go ahead I don't maybe I'm misunderstanding and I think I'm going to go off on a different C well okay say for right now I think some of the

Katiehardest jobs are military firefighters laborers police officers and there a reason why it's predominantly men and there's a reason

Katiewhy they get paid royally for it it's because the majority of women could not do it okay let's say for

Brian Atlasexample it's just if the physical if if we acknowledge that these jobs are physically demanding and might require you to for example restrain a criminal

Brian Atlasor rescue somebody from a burning building

Brian Atlasdo you really Des if you're incapable of Performing that duty but for the sake of like wokeness and putting people in this these positions where people's lives

Brian Atlaspotentially need to be saved I where's the argument for it being justified to give someone equal pay hard to me huh talking yeah yeah

Brian Atlasyeah I mean I meant it more in a general sense oh it's just like I've seen these videos for example of of um and look I think

Brian Atlasthere's space for women to be involved in firefighting being police officers soldiers depending on what but I've seen these videos of for example there's like

Brian Atlastwo or three female police officers trying to restrain a male and they're just incapable of doing it like they cannot physically like with Force restrain the

Brian Atlasmale whereas if it was like I don't know why you're laughing D like not laughing but if it was just one man or two males they would have been capable of restraining this individual but we're

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)talking about payment so we're saying the three women police officers should be paid less because they're less capable is what you're saying I mean if part of your job involves dealing with

Brian Atlascriminals and if we care about here's another component of this if a woman is incapable of physically restraining a man

Brian Atlasthe she's going to be much quicker to use lethal Force than the man will so there's some considerations there because if she can't physically restrain him okay she's going to have to go through what there's a specific

TTS Donation Readerterminology for it she's going to have to go through like a the escalation of there's a specific term it's escalation killer of donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 spatio temporal events in m versus F Sports movement speed thrust power throwing dist is act this is why women

TTS Donation Readerpaid less less ticket sales they only work as hard as they are biologically

Brian Atlasable word I don't know it just occurs to me it's like you know if you got to pay four people to do the job of what two people could

Brido yeah I think sorry go first I was going to say I think for the sake of diversity our society is being more inclusive um and I think that can be

Bridangerous for many reasons it puts the officers firefighters um whatever female whichever profession it is it puts them at risk but I think that ultimately it's up to the employer to gauge what is

Brinecessary in terms of what their physical capabilities are uh when contributing to the workforce if you're getting on a plane I was going to say uh

Natalie Wintersoh you're getting on a plane okay would you rather have the pilot be just like a dude exmilitary super qualified got the

Natalie Wintersjob you could argue probably in spite of being a white dude or would you rather have someone who came up through the ranks of like the diversity equity and inclusion program she's a woman but she only got in there so the company could

Natalie Wintersbe like look at our ESG score it's freaking awesome we have female Pilots but you get to be with a female pilot who would you rather fly with well the guy cuz he's more qualified I'm not attached to money like

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)everybody else here I guess I don't care if the woman was just as qualified it doesn't matter then it wouldn't matter I think I I missed the difference between the two wait Nick private chat really

Naomiquick I'm saying someone coming from an ex military background qualified or someone that de ranks yeah got the job because they added to that they were a

Naomiwoman percentage which like I think if they have the qualification regardless I mean and Commercial I mean commercial is pretty like standard I mean things happen know I know I know I'm just saying the

Naomicompany that was running the Bridge in Maryland has pretty it's a good argument um I'm just I think I think if they got the qualifications either way though I mean yeah obviously I think everyone would go with like ex military

Natalie Wintersyou were doing this for 30 years like you know what you're doing but so you guys so you said that right you should' rather go with the qualified guy so shouldn't people like that be paid more then in the sense that it's what customers prefer you'd rather go with

Natalie Winterspeople have more experience as opposed to just some figurehead diversity oh it's a woman because when push comes to shove well if like she had the training and yeah like qualifications for it then yeah she should be paid equally as that

Natalie Wintersperson but if not then yeah no yeah but the whole purpose of all these like affirmative action and Dei style hiring programs is that you're lowering the standards to invite people in who don't have the same

Brian Atlasqualifications we're going to shift gears here a little bit um let me read that chat that just came up then Nick I'm going to have you pull that up in a sec Percy oley's if Bri were a police officer I'd let her

Brirestrain me do you want to respond to that Bri oops my bad thank you thank you I work out hard to uh be able to do that so all right hold on there's a there's a TTS that's just

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Brian AtlasJoker Joker Deuce oh did I read this one already yeah I did okay all right uh Nick can you go ahead and pull up that image I sent you this is a

Brian Atlascomic can you make it smaller uh um wait a minute I'm only getting 77% as many carrots as you're getting okay I don't think they get it

Brian Atlasno we get it no we get it we get it so to read the things different career choices so men make different career choices work more overtime they have more workplace deaths more workplace

Brian Atlasinjuries fewer days off less comfortable working conditions do you guys agree that men and women make different Cho ches when it comes to yeah but the careers they go into

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)well I mean obviously nobody should all like make the same amount I think I'm just saying for the same job when you have the same qualifications you should make the same but they do I never argued against

Brian Atlasthem oh okay I never said yeah there's there's laws against it um I I think it's all a puppet show H that was thank you for your contribution that was really helpful thank you that really

Brian Atlasadded a lot yeah that was great thank you um

Brian Atlasbut I'm brainwashed watch out she's kind she's going to cast a spell on you she's going to cast a spell wait it's okay we're

Brian Atlastalking we're talking about feminism um hold on I have a couple questions so um who said they were feminists you you and you and then you were talking you were

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)also a feminist yeah moderately I think the problem is the definition is different for right it's changed too over oh and last thing on this wait so was your position that

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)women athletes should be paid the same as male athletes was that kind of your position yes but I understand like like T like sales like and ticketing and like stuff like that a lot of people don't

Brian Atlaswatch women sports if it sucks well why does it why do but why does that suck because I think that they deserve like more Rec recognition with the sports

Brian Atlasthat they do and like all the hard work they do nobody deserves I don't think anybody deserves recognition you earn recognition I know but I feel like and that's precisely why they don't deserve

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)to be paid more money you earn more money okay that's where we disagree what's that I don't think it was that deep yeah I was just saying in general it just kind of

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)sucks do you that does it though I mean that's just the market I'm done talking she just she just named an example earlier and I don't think she do you think transgender men should be allowed

Brito compete in women's sports abolutely not abely because biologically no cuz no no I've actually uh played volleyball a game of college volleyball against a

Britransgendered person and it was very very obvious that they were at the advantage interesting okay really quick

Brian Atlason the feminism thing um so feminism what I missed this part if you guys defined it what how do you define being a feminist what does what does that mean to you

Mariyou honestly I wanted to say I wasn't a feminist that's why I was shaking my head and doing this do we convert you no you didn't convert me I just I know how

Mariit be um she knows how it be I know the top levels on the feminism okay so yeah uh so you are or not

Marior not a feminist I'll just say no for no okay she so Chang her mind think that it's a I think you Chang you changed her mind she said no you said no first no she

Brian Atlassaid yes she said no then so you three are the remaining say no like I was saying yes you three you three are the remaining feminists um so what so what what exactly is feminism fighting for what does it mean to be a feminist oh it

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)starts with me yeah we'll start with you um for me it's more General and more about I think there's just a lot of things in society and that's not anyone's fault really it's just kind of how things have been and I think it's

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)more just about changing the norms and just women supporting each other and Men supporting women um and appreciating women you do you think men don't appreciate women I think some don't some

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)don't I'm not saying what about women do you think I think some women don't appreciate women well what about women not appreciating men I think women should appreciate men too and I think that's also part of feminism but is it

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)it's wait part of feminism is women appreciating men I think as much as they appreciate women I used word equality before do you think that's historically

Natalie Winterswomen have been less appreciated than men I mean yes but also who's gone and fought in the battles and their lives have basically been discarded and killed in every World War I'm not saying that

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)men should be less appreciated or that women should be appreciated more than men but I think we have an equal part in society and sometimes that looks different that it does for men but I don't think it makes it less important

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)at all so what I mean what is what is feminism trying to achieve I guess it's not equality I think I don't totally know for sure and

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I think my definition of it has changed over the years and I'm really open to thinking differently about it well so what about you into the mic oh I agree with what Taylor said what did she say

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)oh God you're going have to make me reiterate what do you agree with okay well pretty much everything that she said but also like just in general um for feminism for me and obviously I

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)still have so much more to learn like I don't know like a lot um but I would just say like women like supporting women like she basically said just that that's it supporting women yeah just

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)like on on all your endeavors and everything that's how I feel that's okay what about you your sense of what feminism is I feel the same way as supporting women yeah women

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)supporting women also just like that women can be independent that they can do their own thing you know that the the idea that not so much the political parts of it but like yeah well so I mean

Brian Atlasone definition I've heard is feminism is something that fights for women's rights would you agree with that mhm would you agree with that yeah um and just curious for since you guys go to UCSB have you

TTS Donation Readerguys taken any like feminist studies gender Studies classes at UCSB I have derel donated $100 female models make significantly

Brian Atlasmore than male models is that fair the cognitive dissonance is next level yeah see I don't think it's sucks that male models don't make as much

Naomimoney as female models I just think that that's the way it is and I accept it I yeah like you brought up only fans earlier like it's way easier for a girl to make money on only fans than a guy

Brian Atlaslike I don't say that I I don't do we tax the women on only fans and distribute 77% distri redistribute the wealth of the female of creators to

Naomithe men on the platform I think that's good got to pay taxes I never that's pry that's no I know that's not what you're saying I actually completely agree with what you said earlier if I don't think you were here you were talking about like female and male roles in society

Natalie Winterslike that's just how it what do you what do you guys mean though by women supporting women like isn't that kind of what does that really mean isn't that imply that like there's some thing inherently that's making it women need

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)to be supported to overcome a girl's girl but then why is that feminism isn't that just like trying to Define for them I don't know what they me naturally like society and M and like I'm not going to get super into that there's so many ways

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)to explain that but if there so many ways then it kind of can put um women against each other sometimes is that more a result of female nature I have a question I think it's a result of a lot of things you just said misogyny how do

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)you define misogyny I think it is to me it's kind of favoring men in male can you give an example of it um

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)wait can you just to be precise what's your definition of misogyny my definition I think I might that's why I kind of corrected myself when I used it cuz maybe it's um like

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I'm using it more Loosely I'm using it in a way where like you favor a man maybe even before yourself and what's

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)best for you and like that's how I feel so an example of that is maybe like I'd be more likely to agree with you than another woman and kind of like not

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)You' been disagreeing with all night well that's my example I wouldn't do that oh okay um um but that's probably for other reasons but I just wait so it be misogynistic for a woman to agree with a man over no I'm just saying if it went against how I feel like if you said

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)something that kind of went against but I want to be agreeable and I want to be like someone that is that like a internalized is that just women are naturally more agree I think submissive

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)but maybe naturally the patriarchy wins again usually the woman is more like traditionally submissive based based in red pilled I don't get I

Brian Atlasdon't know the reference oh okay don't worry about wait so okay um how what's your definition oh I think we got we oh okay um I was trying to bring it back to so like one of the

Brian Atlasthings I've heard about feminism is it's it's fighting for women's rights would you guys agree with that mhm you agree with that do you think there are women's rights we still need to fight for today

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I'm I think the right to choose what we do like as far as abortion okay Reproductive Rights we can get into that but is there is there because I'm always curious because they say women's rights

Brian Atlasand I'm curious well what what rights precisely are feminists fighting for aside from that one that's the one that I'm most passionate about well are there

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)others that you are less passionate about I'm I'm just saying I haven't done research and I can't think of something right now that I could anybody else this is open to any of the girls who said they were feminists you you well mine's

Brian Atlassame thing mine stands on the same thing abortion just I think that yeah I think that's where I stand the strongest I mean there but is there any cuz like I'm

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I me personally I can't think of any right well that a man has that a woman doesn't well didn't feminism I don't know the timeline here but it started when we didn't have as many rights and

Brian Atlasso we still have feminism but I'm talking modern modern day right now with the suff I'm talking modern day well this that's the modern day issue I think is

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)the biggest issue and I can't think of right now no she's saying the modern day no she's saying the modern day is issue right now is like abortion no but I'm saying is in the modern day right now is

Brian Atlasthere any right that men have that women don't no not that I can think of no okay okay so the primary thing is the uh

Brian Atlasis the abortion topic although it's not clear to me if that's really a um a gendered discrepancy in so far as men have no Reproductive Rights at all yeah so you

Brian Atlascould actually make an argument when it comes to if we're talking about equality you could actually make the argument that equality would be entirely walking

Brian Atlasback women's rights entirely to have an abortion that would actually be equality cuz men don't have and I'm not

Brian Atlasadvocating that they should men don't have a an abortion right men don't have men don't even have what's called Legal paternal surrender where whether the woman wants to keep the child or not

Brian Atlaslet's say she does a man can't say well I'm not financially ready I don't want to be I don't want to be a father uh I don't want to be responsible I don't want uh parental responsibility I don't

Brian Atlaswant any financial responsibility so men have no reproductive right so it occurs to me in terms of women's rights men's rights equality uh if we wanted equality we

Brian Atlaswould just entirely walk back women's right to an abortion yeah but it's it's not the same and I I get what you're saying and but it's not evidence of a right that men have that women don't I

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)just don't think it's really comparable but earlier I used the word equality and I think Brie said it's more Equity cuz it's like men and women women can be different in a lot of different ways and I think it's not meaning literally we

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)should all have the same things or the same um but that's what she thinks even though there's different views they should get paid the same I think we've already been over that you changed her mind about it

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)established like I changed my mind about that I wasn't really when I talk about feminism I'm not really talking as much of course I care about abortion rights um but for me it's more of a general

Brisense of equity yeah and I think Brian's point is is mainly that equality in terms of abortion would would mean that no one would have a choice because men don't have a choice as is and women do

Bricurrently and so equality and abortion would be no one gets a choice is what his point is right but equality isn't the right word yeah I would even go as far to say that feminism compounded with

Natalie Wintersthe sexual Revolution giving women the freedom not just through birth control but through abortion Technologies and stuff like that has actually done significantly more harm to women and has

Natalie Wintersset women in some ways back and I think if you look at the statistics on female happiness and how content we are in society the fact that what is it like

Natalie Winters60% of girls an R AG group are on ssris you know I think you can start of start to maybe think if all this progress that we've made in the name of

Natalie Wintersempowerment which I think is sort of a a fleeting thing that I think is sort of nebulous and hard to Define to begin with but also you know it's feeling empowered on false pretenses all that great right not really if you get a job

Natalie Wintersthat you don't deserve and you can't perform doesn't really matter or maybe you have the same qualifications but yeah you only got into Harvard Business School because you're a woman or because you're some special minority but I think the feminist movement I know you didn't

Natalie Wintersask me to Define it I'll will give a definition if you want but I think that it has actually been counterproductive and women empowering women because I don't think women sleeping around which they canot do because of birth control

Natalie Wintersand thinking that they have very masculine sexuality they can be empowered by having casual sex with a bunch of dudes because now they can is necessarily being a girl's girl and is great for female mental health and and physical

Brian Atlashealth I agree okay well last I maybe one or two last things on the feminism topic uh

Brian Atlasmaybe you guys heard these in your feminist classes that you guys took um do we currently live in a patriarchy and we'll go around the table for everybody on this

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)God no surprising answer but okay no yes I think yes I also think

Kirayes I'm going to say no I think so yes yeah yes no but maybe we should okay

Brian Atlaswait so wait yes yes yes no yes yes no but we should I'll have Natalie answer that in just a sec

TTS Donation Readerso oh Bender the offender donated $100 keep in mind that Kentucky now allows women to seek child support from

Brian Atlasa man Even If the child isn't born yet w w Kentucky we actually we can maybe thank you Bender the offender uh I think that's crazy I'm not in favor of that

Brian Atlasbut um hold on wait sorry where was oh okay um under patriarchy those of you who said yes we're we're in a patriarchy

Brian Atlasare women oppressed no into the mic

Brian Atlasno maybe well no no what do you mean maybe maybe how maybe how I don't want to do I'm so tired um you got this no I really don't I'm tired um I don't know

Brian Atlasit's not stuff I want to talk about on here honestly so I can just say no if that makes you feel better no no no I want I just want the truth I don't want you to give me the answer that I want I just want the

Brian Atlastruth it's hard to speak the truth I just don't even remember are women oppressed in the patriarchy well you said there's a patriarchy you said we we currently live in the patriarchy under

Brian Atlassaid patriarchy are women oppressed women are oppressed but some women yeah okay and I'm speaking let's just make it simple here in the United States that's what I'm speaking

Brian Atlasabout I'm done with my turn well no are some women are women oppressed for now just a little break I just need a little break well just engage

Brian Atlasit's I need a snack break I really stop don't indulge them go

Brian Atlasahead women don't like to work the long hours no get do you want to just answer the question so I can I did answer I don't want to explain that's not an answer you didn't

Brian Atlasask everybody else why I'm I started with her or I think I started with you we all said yes or no what like didn't we just say like a yes or no answer I think she you gave an answer yeah I said

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)no you said no and she said maybe I don't know I'm thinking about it I have to think about it I don't have

Brian Atlasanswer right now but you said we do live in a

Brian Atlaspatriarchy I'll say no no okay who else who who else said we're in a patriarchy I think you two are wom the Pressed under the patriarchy no I don't think so okay

Brino okay I skipped over you you coming back to you that's not what I meant I'll just say no she'll just say no wait would you like him to define the patriarchy would that help you like better formulate your answer I don't

Brian Atlasthink that's where my problem is I think I just I'm not sure how I feel honestly yeah you're not sure I'm not sure I'm not sure how I feel about are you okay uh well

Brian Atlasmaybe I to say something I don't mean under patriarchy are men oppressors are men oppressors are men oppressors under patriarchy think so I

Brian Atlasdon't think so so we're starting there now okay I'm just confused on this I just I want to be left for just like a minute you've

Naominever heard the oppressed oppressor dnamic let her let's just let her think well can you Define patriarchy so then everyone has like the same idea of

Brian Atlaslike what you think it is or sorry well I don't believe in the patriarchy so it's not really my job to Define it if you assert something exists the duty

Brian Atlasfalls on you to Define it I TR I make it easy otherwise I'll just defer to Hitchens razor that which is asserted without

Brian Atlasevidence can be dismissed without evidence boom lawyered

Brian Atlasboom anything crickets anything under patriarchy are men oppressors are you oppressed how about that are you oppressed are you oppressed are you oppressed no but I already answered that

Brian Atlasthe patriarchy has beating them down and they can't even give an answer okay uh interesting well I mean my sense of feminism I'll say this feminism is not an equality

Brian Atlasmovement I'll be I'll be charitable here and I'll say at its best it's a women's advocacy movement I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with women's

Brian Atlasadvocacy but it's definitely not a equality movement I don't know if you guys want to challenge me on that but there's clear evidence that feminists don't

Brian Atlasactually care about equality you care about securing benefits for women that's again not necessarily anything wrong with that but don't call yourself an equality movement if you don't actually seek true

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)equality I actually agree with you on that yeah it's an advocacy Mo movement based in red build you do you want to engage at all do you agree do you agree with my

Brian Atlasdefinition I think so you think so it's not really a straight answer you're a feminist right you said

Naomiyou were a feminist I said no like three times oh you did yeah oh it was her that was a feminist do you do you agree with my definition of it or yeah

Brian Atlasokay that was helpful thank you guys for engaging the engagement was very thoughtful I'm going to read a couple chats here actually are we going to get Natalie's I I want to hear I'm actually oh let me have her read it and then

Natalie Winterswe'll we'll get some natales um the feminist ideals are largely political in nature the left side of the political Spectrum needs to push the false notion of feminism to maintain a voter base

Natalie Wintersthey create fictitious problem only to sell you a solution for Perpetual control yo emac tactical appreciate your Super Chat thank you we have this

Brian Atlasone why is it feminists can't even explain their position as grid one would say how can the patriarchy help you today yeah where's grid one you I haven't seen him um yo Sean thank you man really appreciate it wait Did you

Brian Atlasshow the orange one Nick did oh you did okay uh Sean appreciate it um you the feminists at the table want to answer it why can't you explain your

Briposition I feel like I already explained my I already explained my position earlier oh feel I thought we already said I feel like the majority of women uh on this panel at least I mean and

Bricorrect me if I'm wrong but I feel like these women have been claim to be feminists because they they're more girls girls and they want to advocate for women to be um for women and not

Briagainst women and to be more agreeable with women and and it's less the the true feminist movement and more of um how we engage with one another correct me if I'm wrong I don't know I don't

Natalie Winterskind agree with that yeah when you guys are considering who you're voting for what's like the primary issue that drives

Briyou the puppet show is it abortion or what yes that that is a driving force for me yeah I would agree I think abortion is a driving force so just to

Natalie Winterspiggyback off that Super Chat isn't it kind of interesting that again maybe for you I know for a lot of women young women that I speak to like the driving impetus deciding who you vote for is an issue that we're just kind walking

Natalie Wintersthrough right now is a feminist cause as you defined but no offense you guys can't even really Define feminism or misogyny and there's gray area I'm not using you guys specifically but doesn't it make you like I was saying before

Natalie Winterssort of think how it's it's weird how there's these like isms and ideologies that are so strongly implanted in your brain but you haven't really even done the work to come to that conclusion yet it manifests in the form of you voting

Natalie Wintersin a political way did she just say manifest do you believe in manifestation shut up dude go ahead and Nat but that you you know I would assume you're maybe probably Democrats or you vote for

Natalie Winterspoliticians not solely but strongly because of what they do with abortion and when my side says that they use abortion as an issue to turn out the female vote does it not make you think like oh isn't it interesting that I'm so

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)passionate about this issue that I actually haven't done any research on well with the abortion topic that we're speaking of I have done research

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)on it so I I think that's what helps me but with especially with that topic I'm saying like I think women have the right to choose and I think that should just be that like if you don't want to get an

Briabortion great but shouldn't we make legislative decisions based off of the majority and if you're going to I'm not saying you are going to argue this but a lot of people that are um pro-choice argue that abortion is absolutely

Brinecessary in every state because so many women are getting raped and getting pregnant and that's why we primarily need abortions would you agree yes what would you how would you feel if

BriI told you that less than 1% of all abortions are from rape use sorry how would you feel if I told you that less than 1% of women who

Briexperience that are the minority less than 1% I don't because we have to make decisions for the

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)majority okay let me let me think really quick I don't think we should make decisions for the majority yeah well I mean thank you for that contribution that was that was

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)wonderful when voting honestly I mean same thing I have so much more to learn with it and I've just recently started voting um I look at it in a way of like

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)what is going to benefit me and others in like later and like mostly me um yeah I don't know I don't really have anything else to kind of say about it

Briwell I think everyone like has the right to get an abortion no matter how they got pregnant because is that because it's your body and there's now another body inside of your body that's why you

Brifeel inclined to take a life that is inside of you I guess just because it happens to be inside of you not because it's another body inside of yours that's

Brinot how I look at it I guess um so would you make so would you make the argument that this fetus is simply a clump of cells until

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)delivered I mean personally like I don't think like oh everyone should just get abortions I think it's definitely like for emergency situations um and I don't think it's

Brithat simple either I value life always um but I do think there's like a line there um so let me let me pose this question so outside of um medical

Briemergencies uh declared by Doctors medical professionals and the less than 1% of people that are in a hor horrible situation for the people that are simply just irresponsible with their protection

Brian Atlaswith um sexual intercourse how do you feel about those people getting abortions oh hold on we'll come back to that topic here in just a sec hey stay

Brian Atlassafe thank you for the big raid dude yo I hope you had a great stream man hold on let me let me talk about this for Nick you're going to lower the audio just a

Brian Atlasbit stay safe phase three season of Discovery coming out it's going to be a great time I really appreciate the raid man thank you so much uh stay safe is he's R he's uh on Twitch he's been on

Brian Atlasthe show a couple times before I have a World of Warcraft related question for the ladies FYI by the way guys we do have a live Mage here in the show she's a mage she she's a witch but trust me

Brian Atlasshe's a mage or warlock we're talking about you right you cast spells and scuffed split by the way right yeah yeah so ladies going around the

Brian Atlastable would you date now would you date a guy who plays World of Warcraft like just a casual 7 hours a day how yeah I'm a

Brian Atlasstreamer I'd stream with him you okay what about you 7 hours is kind of a lot but he's a pumper like he's not just like a casual like he he he's got

Brian Atlasmultiple level 60s he's a pumper he's in Mol core bwl aq40 NAX that means what does that

Brian Atlasmean you don't know about KNX no it's okay um he's just like in you know world Warcraft Vlogs like he's parsing like 99 percentiles like pink

Brian Atlasparses okay Pink parses World of Warcraft logs or Warcraft logs excuse me no cuz he should be using that time with me with with you yeah okay does it change anything if he's like the main

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)tank of his Guild like if he's like DPS he's kind of rep but he's like m t so hot I'm going to have to go it's hot that he's the Mt main tank oh yeah yeah

Brian Atlascuz like he's been funneled like this is he's been funneled all the loot up until this point so he's like the main tank oh yeah yeah so it's like he has to play that's so hot but I'm going to have

Brian Atlasto go with no okay what what about you I don't game so don't know what any of that meant to be honest he plays 7 hours a day he's a Pumper Raider like sounds like prize like is he working also he's

Brian Atlasgot gressle and the oh what's the off hand from KT well like okay my question is is he working like outside of that yeah he's working on his raid he's the guild leader too you're trolling me

Brian Atlasanswer question no I'm not trolling he's no that's his job he's a he's a twitch streer he's a streamer he's a streer and he makes money doing that yeah but he spends like 12 hours a day like you change it from 7 he's got like spreadsheets like here's who's going

Brian Atlasgoing to zg this week and he's like doing groups here's like and and they're like split rating right so there's like cuz they're trying to get all the loot from like knacks and I still don't know like they get this if that is what

Brian Atlashe likes doing makes get this right dude they've been in bwl for 6 months and there hasn't B been One like Drake Fang Talisman that's dropped it's like totally scuffed like the loot tables are garbage like whoever is seating the

Mariloot in that in the raids is like I don't know what's going on if you stream that and you don't know what you're doing a lot of guys will like it and they'll join and try to help you just letting but like dog seeds for

Naomithe rates okay so I'll reiterate again since you went off on that little tangent I don't know what any of that means but like neans what is it yo stay

Brian Atlassafe what is it from from uh uh NE netharian tier wait the uh oh my God I can't believe I'm blanking on the final boss of bwl I think I'm doing it

Brian Atlasdoes anyone other than you I mean you stream so like does any look would you date a guy who who plays like 14 hours a day World of Warcraft you still didn't get answer what about you it went from would was 14 hours a

Naomiday you didn't answer the question does does he make money streaming yeah he makes money he makes a decent living yeah okay then yeah okay that's not how the question started about you yeah that wasn't how the question started you

Brian Atlasnever got my his name his name's ay oh okay ampy I think I might have to change my answer then no that's that's his that's his he's a warrior and he's like

Brian Atlashe's pretty like dude this guy's a guys listen he's a great tank he's a great tank he's a Great Raid leader okay are you guys DTF does this question

Katiehave I mean does this is it his soul profession all right does this was that fun for you or is it a hobby that was fun is it his job or a hobby he would you date a game or

Katieinterested in this 12 14 hours a day I mean my baby daddy was a dungeon and dragon's dungeon whatever that means I don't know what it means yo stay safe oh wait Nick really quick pull up the twitch guys if you're

Brian Atlasjoining us from stay safe if you can stay safe thank you so much for the raid guys drop us a follow and the game like don't worry about it I lost the game relax Shaman guys if you're new from stays

Brian Atlassafe's Channel please drop us a follow I I spend the entire dating talk basically asking the girls World World of Warcraft related questions so if you're from drop us a follow if you have a prim Su avail

Brian Atlasable drop us a little Prime in the chat last World of Warcraft question guys are you guys excited for season of Discovery

Brian Atlasphase three absolutely yeah 100% woohoo sweet are you guys excited

Marifor what else is coming out is it mythology type of be like the game do you guys play hord or Alliance though are you guys like hoarder Alliance have you guys done like plunder storm at all

Marilike are these like I'm asking is there mythology behind this do you play isy behind this like these I've been watching a bit of plunder storm and it like it seems kind of cool so there's no mythology Behind

Brian Atlasthese games mythology bro what are you smoking son mythology I was just asking you're just asking don't look at me that way stop with

Marithe what's wrong are you getting nervous

Brian Atlasno okay moving on stay safe thank you for the raid man much appreciated if you're over there on Twitch uh drop us a follow if you can thank you guys appreciate it wait where were we I forgot we were you guys were talking about I didn't forget I know exactly

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