She DIVORCED Him For BAD $3X?! Dating A FEEDER?! Husband CHEATED With Men?! | Dating Talk #147

Date: 2024-03-27

Duration: 7h 42m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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TTaylor (DT147)>

JJamill (DT147)>

KKatie (DT147)>

NNatalie Winters >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Naomi(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_07Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jamill (+ Kira bleed)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bri(guest)

SPEAKER_12Katie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_14Natalie Winters(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. Nine guests introduce themselves. Notable: Natalie Winters (War Room co-host, returning), Naomi (OnlyFans, returning ~1 month), Jamill (39yo RN, divorced after 18yr marriage). Show title references three key stories: bad sex divorce, feeder fetish, husband cheating with men.

“"we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

Key MomentJamill reveals her 18-year marriage ended after husband disclosed Craigslist affairs with men and desire to swing with both men and women. She refused and initiated divorce ~2 years ago. Led to extended dead bedroom. Has 2 kids. Now in a 1-month FWB. This is the "Husband CHEATED With Men" title reference.

“"one of the first things being that he started seeing some people some guys from Craigslist"”

Key MomentBri reveals her 5-year ex had a secret feeder/weight-gain fetish. Discovered 400+ messages on his drunk phone at a friend's wedding showing him telling overweight women to gain weight and monitoring their food intake. He had been taking Bri to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week. This is the "Dating A FEEDER" title reference.

“"it was like a feeding fetish chubby chaser it wasn't even just chubby chasing feeder"”

QuoteBri describes discovering her feeder ex had been taking her to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week during COVID as part of his feeding behavior. "I thought going out to all you can eat sushi multiple times a week was normal — it's not."

“"going out to all you can eat sushi multiple times a week was normal it's not"”

ControversyNatalie Winters (War Room co-host) debates OnlyFans creators Naomi and Mari on ethics and societal impact of sex work. Argues it destroys nuclear family, is anti-intellectual, and predatory on lonely men. Naomi/Mari defend with companionship and autonomy arguments. Extended debate touches on Christianity, porn addiction, feminist theory.

“"I just think what you guys do is considerably considerably worse for the country for society"”

QuoteMari defends OnlyFans using reincarnation theology: her physical body will not carry to the next life so her current physical choices are irrelevant from a spiritual standpoint.

“"I believe in reincarnation so my body right now this body isn't going to come with me to the next life"”

QuoteNatalie Winters reveals she has been sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party for investigative reporting and has been cited by Congress.

“"I'm sanctioned by the Chinese Communist party because of my investigative reporting I'm cited by Congress"”

OtherSelf-ratings round. Most women rate themselves 10. Mari: 10 (mood-dependent). Emmy: 10. Naomi: 10. Katie: 6. Bri: 8. Brian: 5. Brian declines to validate the 10 self-ratings. Viewer TTS donor assigns ratings by clothing description.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you"”

ControversyMari suggests men who prefer virgins are "predatory" (pedo-adjacent). Unable to defend argument when Brian challenges with 25-year-old virgin scenario. Says it "just gives the ick." Cannot name 10 books supporting her witchcraft beliefs. Calls Christianity a cult based on a missionary's explanation of grace. Double standard noted: will not make same claim about Islam.

“"it just gives you the ick potentially pword potentially"”

QuoteBody count round: Naomi states body count is "less than 20" and declines exact number. Mari states 5, Brian applies ×3 rule of thumb. Jamill's count of 29 referenced in group.

“"uh five five mhm I'm 22 years old multiply by three and that's the real number"”

QuoteKatie argues people can grow beyond a high body count or promiscuous past. "There's always a lid to every pot" — even someone with an egregious past can find someone who accepts them for who they are now.

“"there's always a lid to every pot so even if you do egregious things when you're younger"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian wraps up around 7:42 AM (running very late). Raids Twitch streamer. Crew signs off.

“"it is quite literally past my bedtime"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Nine guests introduce themselves: Mari (22, Orlando, event promoter/OnlyFans), Emmy (22, Bay Area, UCSB sociology), Naomi (26, Phoenix, OnlyFans, returning), Taylor (25, Bay Area, RBT), Kira (24, Bay Area, SBCC comm), Jamill (39, RN/standup comedian, divorced 18yr marriage), Katie (41, OC, optical, single 7yr), Bri (26, Santa Clarita, public health student), Natalie Winters (23, Palm Beach, War Room co-host, returning). Relationship status round: three guests are returning (Naomi, Natalie Winters, and Kira per context). Notable: Jamill recently divorced after husband revealed interest in men and swinging.

Jamill: husband cheated with men / divorce story

Jamill (SPEAKER_10) describes her 18-year marriage ending: husband confessed around year 14-15 that he had been seeing men from Craigslist, then disclosed he wanted to swing with other men and women. She refused and initiated divorce ~2 years ago. Preceded by an extended dead bedroom. She was married 2005. Two kids.

Bri: ex-boyfriend feeder fetish story

Bri (SPEAKER_11) reveals her 5-year ex-boyfriend had a secret feeder/weight-gain fetish. Discovered 400+ messages on his drunk phone at a friend's wedding. Messages showed him monitoring women's food intake pre/post meals, telling them they weren't worthy unless they gained. He had taken Bri to all-you-can-eat sushi multiple times per week. She had gained weight during COVID; he encouraged it. After breakup: had brief revenge sex with 2 men.

OnlyFans debate: ethics, value, and societal impact

Extended debate between Natalie Winters (SPEAKER_14, anti-OnlyFans), Naomi (SPEAKER_03, does OnlyFans), and Mari (SPEAKER_06, does OnlyFans). Natalie argues OnlyFans normalizes commodification of women's bodies and destroys nuclear family. Naomi and Mari argue it provides companionship, is no different from Twitch, and is her choice. Religion debate embedded: Bri (SPEAKER_11, Christian) engages Natalie on Christianity vs. Mari's reincarnation/spiritual worldview. Natalie's credentials: War Room co-host, sanctioned by CCP, cited by Congress. Naomi defends: she was in corporate tech before, does OnlyFans by choice, parents are supportive. Porn addiction debate: Naomi disputes it's scientifically proven; Brian cites Adams et al. 1999.

Christianity vs. OnlyFans / religion and sexuality debate

Embedded in OnlyFans debate: Mari and Naomi defend their work using reincarnation and "it's going to happen anyway" arguments. Bri and Natalie push back from Christian perspective. Mari: "I believe in reincarnation — this body doesn't come with me to the next life." Bri: discusses exit plan from sex work and Christian accountability. Natalie: argues promiscuity has more societal cost for women than men (pair bonding argument). Reference to Michael Knowles's 10-year partying period vs. now being traditional.

Relationship status and single panel details

Brian goes around table examining single women's dating situations. Taylor: 3 years single, 8-month situationship; hookups that didn't become relationships. Kira: 1 year single, not looking (moving). Mari: 1.5-2 years single. Emmy: 6-7 months, not looking (moving). Jamill: FWB 1 month, most serious since divorce. Naomi: 2+ years single. Katie: single 7 years, briefly dated in summer. Bri: just out of 5-year relationship (a few weeks). Natalie: has a man "a little in the picture."

Roster / dating multiple people simultaneously

Brian asks who has dated or slept with multiple people simultaneously. Bri (SPEAKER_11): yes, 2 men after 5-year breakup (revenge sex). Someone (likely Taylor/Emmy, SPEAKER_02): 3-4 people casually in past. Others: mixed; most say no roster or just casual overlap. Mari: relationship girl; doesn't maintain a roster. Natalie: "never had a roster."

Partner preferences round

Brian asks each guest desired partner income and number of kids. Mari: min $50k; 3 kids. Emmy: just financially stable; ~2 kids (unsure). Naomi: depends on lifestyle; 3-5 kids. Taylor: stable; 2 kids max. Kira: not specified clearly. Jamill: enough for kids to live comfortably. Katie: at least $75-80k; one child (done; IUD). Bri: stability; stay-at-home mom early on; 2 kids. Natalie: more than her father (infectious disease doctor); 2-3+ kids (above replacement). Brian: would marry if she's rich and has large labia (joke/tangent).

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Viewer (Stiffler) asks panel to rate looks 1-10. Order (going around table): Mari: 10 (mood-dependent; sometimes 1). Emmy: 10. Naomi: 10. Someone (Taylor or Kira): 7. Someone: 6. Someone (Jamill): 7 approx. Katie: 6. Bri: 8. Natalie: did not explicitly state (donor rated her ~6.8). Brian: 5. Brian declines to assign ratings to guests ("you guys are not tens — no offense"). Donor TTS: "natal 6.8 Raven hair 7 used baggage 3 mamas San 2 obes blond 2 bimbo 4 a cup bimbo 3 deep voice C four goth thard."

League theory / men sleeping outside their league

Brian explains theory: women get rejected on the back end, men on the front end. Men will sleep with women below their league but not commit; this creates situationships when women overestimate their league. "Your league is who you can get commitment from, not who you can sleep with." Debate over whether women who self-rate high are delusional. Extended discussion with Emmy (SPEAKER_02) who says rating is subjective/pointless. "Will you be more attractive in 10-20 years?" round: Most guests say yes; Brian calls it delusional for those over 22. Exception: Bri (26) says no, youthfulness peaks earlier.

Would you date a World of Warcraft player

Brian asks if guests would date a WoW player (7-14 hrs/day). Emmy: 7 hours is a lot but if he's making money streaming, ok. Bri: no (it's too much time). Mari: if he's a Twitch streamer making money, maybe. Katie: her ex/baby daddy played Dungeons & Dragons. Brian discusses Season of Discovery Phase 3, raid composition, guild leader responsibilities, split-raiding for loot. Twitch raid from "Stay Safe" mid-show.

Plastic surgery / cosmetic procedures debate

Brian reconfirms natural body supremacist position. Prefers: flat chest over implants, natural labia over labiaplasty, natural lips over filler, natural belly over lipo, natural ass over BBL. Naomi reveals she got a labiaplasty during her year of celibacy (2022). Brian: "that's a dagger to my heart." Katie: former esthetician; left beauty industry over values conflicts. Discussion of who is to blame for unrealistic beauty standards: majority say "a little bit of both" (men and women). Brian: biological male preferences (large butts, big breasts) drive some of it, but not blame per se. Natalie: cosmetics companies and social media are primary drivers.

Abortion debate

Brief abortion discussion triggered by chat TTS. Emmy (SPEAKER_02): abortion acceptable for emergency situations; not a simple issue. Bri (SPEAKER_11): values life; stricter position. Brian: returns to topic briefly then moves on.

Who should pay on dates

Brian asks who should pay on a first date. Mari and Naomi: whoever asks should pay. Emmy: man should pay to show he's courting. Bri: traditional — man should pay. Katie: split down the middle (first couple dates); once in relationship, alternating. Natalie: man pays as provider expression. Brian: suboptimal to pay for women who made prior men wait but now won't make you wait.

Last name debate: would you take husband's name

Brian asks if women would take husband's last name. Most say yes or probably yes. Bri: yes (traditional). Natalie: yes. Mari: probably yes but depends on last name. Katie and others: probably/open to it.

Virgin preference / "pedo" debate

Mari (SPEAKER_06) suggests men who prefer virgin women may be "predatory" (pedo adjacent). Brian challenges: is a 25-year-old virgin woman's male admirer a pedo? Mari cannot explain her argument; says it "gives the ick." Brian: are Christian and Muslim men who prefer virgins PWs? Mari says yes for Christians, avoids comment on Muslims. Bri (SPEAKER_11) and Natalie (SPEAKER_14) push back as Christians. Mari calls Christianity a "cult" due to her interpretation of grace/salvation doctrine. Bri explains Christian theology on free will and grace. Brian notes double standard: Mari criticizes Christianity but not Islam.

Body count round

Brian asks guests for body counts. Mari (SPEAKER_06): 5 (Brian applied ×3 skepticism). Naomi (SPEAKER_03): declined ("less than 20"). Group count round: "Angel nine, 29" called out — Jamill stated 29. Bri (SPEAKER_11): less than 10 (only within relationships). Natalie Winters (SPEAKER_14): declined to disclose. Brian: declined ("personal rule not to disclose"). Extended debate: does body count define a person? Katie (SPEAKER_12): disagrees — people can change and grow. Natalie: there is a meaningful difference between men's and women's promiscuity impacts.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswhatever podcast so without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi

Mariguys my name is Mari um I'm from Orlando I was age I'm 22 sorry no just into the microphone um I'm 22 I'm from Orlando a

Maristudent and I'm also a content creator what kind of content do you make um so I promote Raves um I promote like club like Rave like the club scenes

Mariand then I also do like only fans and stuff like that how long have you been doing o um so I started when I was like 18 and then I stopped for a little bit and then I just started again all right

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)welcome what about you hi my name is Emmy I'm from the bay to be specific I'm 22 and I'm a student at UCSB what's your major sociology

Naomisociology okay all right and you're graduating this year yes you're a senior MH okay what about you hi I'm Naomi I'm 26 uh from Phoenix well from New York

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)but I live in Phoenix and I do only fans all right welcome you hi I'm Taylor I'm 25 and I'm an RBT from the Bay Area what's a RBT I'm registered behavioral

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)technician I like work with kids with autism gotcha okay what brings you to Santa Barbara um I'm visiting friends gotcha okay what about you hi I'm Kira I'm from the Bay Area um I'm 24 and I'm

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)a student at sbcc and I'm a call major call major all right are you going to transfer to UCSB or uh no I'm going to SDSU okay cool what about you my name is jamill I'm 39 I'm a registered nurse and

Brian Atlasstandup comedian 39 register uh RN standup comedian uh tell us a

Brian Atlasjoke oh okay well hi my name is Jamal and for those of you that were expecting a tall black guy that's pretty good surprise I

Katieliked that all right there you go yeah hi I'm Katie I'm 41 I'm originally from Los Angeles currently living in

BriOrange County and I work in Optical okay hi my name is Bri I'm 26 I'm from Santa Clarita and I'm a student oh what

Natalie Winterswhat do you study Public Health okay gotcha I'm Natalie I just turned 23 I'm born and raised in Santa Monica California but I live in Palm Beach Florida now and I'm the co-host of Steve

Brian Atlasbannon's war room which is a TV show and podcast and I also have a clothing brand all right welcome back so we're going to go around the table once more what is everybody current relationship status so

Brian Atlasare you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyol sex cult whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in

Marigo ahead single um I've been single for about a year and a half almost two longest relationship I've been in probably 3 and a half years 3.5 years

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)okay what about you um I am single right now the longest relationship I've been in was a year and a half how long have

Brian Atlasyou been single um about 6 months six to seven months why did he dump you um I actually dumped him oh sorry sorry I got

Brian Atlasthat mixed up got that mixed up my bad that mixed up okay uh so you broke up with him yes I did was that the 1.5 year relationship no different one okay gotcha what about you um still single I

Naomiwas on a month ago so I'm back uh still single I longest relationship was 4 years and um it's been over two years now that I've been single and your last

Brian Atlasrelationship was that the four-year one no okay why did he dump you we had a

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)mutual all right what the back um I'm single I've been single for a few years and my longest relationship was four years you've been single for a few years

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I'm like three years three years or so okay yeah all right what about you I'm also single and my longest relationship is a year and a half and I've been

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)single for I don't know a year now one year okay what about you I'm in a Friends with Benefits situation hey benefits my longest relationship well I

Brian Atlasam recently divorced so we were married for almost 18 years okay so 18 years how long ago was the

Brian Atlasdivorce about two years ago two years ago okay so and you're 39 so you divorced at 37 you were together for 18

Brian Atlasyears so you're pretty much together from like what n 1920 to 37 about okay pretty much right how long have you been with your current Friends

Brian Atlaswith Benefits uh a little over a month just one month yep is he the first guy that you got with since the breakup separation maybe a little bit more

Brian Atlasseriously but there's been other guys in that time period okay and uh but this is the most serious one so far I think so

Brian Atlasyes yes but it's just friends with benefits you've only been seeing each other for one month yes the a little bit more yeah okay okay but so the other

Brian Atlasones you saw were just casual flings who um who initiated the divorce I did you did uh what was the reason

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)just grew apart or many reasons but growing apart uh he was was it the standup comedy no lost I did that that's that I've been doing

Brian Atlasthat for six months now all right it's a new thing gotcha um so but what what happened did he want to stay with you yes mhm yes and you do you

Brian Atlashave a kid we have two kids two kids okay um and you don't have kids from any other people okay um but so what what was the what

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)precipitated the divorce uh quite a few things one of the first things being that he started seeing some people some

Naomiguys from Craigslist what Craigs this is

Brian Atlascrazy wow holy sh um and were you aware because you were with him for 18 years were you aware of his

Brian Atlasthat he was interested in other people interested in men no no do you think like were there any signs like retrospectively that there's infidelity

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)in the past or like was this a new development or he was checking out like chicks before right but uh you know we

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)all kind of check out people right uh how he presented it to me was we were in the in the bedroom and he just said hey

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)I think this might be kind of hot to hear but uh then he he dropped that bomb on me so yeah that was a few years ago so there was cheating though yes he

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)didn't just so but he told you yes now did he tell you he told you he wanted it involve other men or no no he just was just telling me he's like I think that

Brian Atlaswould be kind of hot for her to hear but it wasn't okay are you good or I don't show it

Brian Atlasokay all right all right is it like coffee or Cofe you can all right never mind never mind okay

Brian Atlasit's fine don't worry about it don't worry about it um okay so you initiated the divorce um but he wanted he wanted to see men but he wanted to stay with

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)you I'm confused there yes so he wanted to try other things I involving both men and women um that oh like he wanted to

Brian Atlasdo three sons yes with you and like other dudes and Swinging swinging yeah and uh this is something that like what in the

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)17th year of your marriage this happened about the 15th year of marriage marriage I think 14 maybe maybe a little less than that and did he have any

Brian Atlasinclinations towards this in the previous uh 15 years or however long you're together no spontaneous

Natalie Wintershomosexuality is that it was it was dormant probably dormant probably dant it's a good word you start watching porn or anything like that do you think that could have precipitated it that like

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)broadened his mind about what was out there uh probably watching porn that I didn't know about you knowen I feel

Natalie Winterslike all men have watch porn or all men are secretly gay and want to other men watch porn I'm trying to say okay wait

Brian Atlasso was it was there a dead bedroom for a period of the relationship yes starting uh when into the marriage uh after the whole Craigslist thing oh after but

Brian Atlasotherwise things were good in that okay damn that's wild yeah that's crazy son wait okay third

Brian Atlasso but you got it seems you know you had some flings pretty quickly after separation so you got right back on the horse and yes and you got do you know

Brian Atlaswhat year you guys got married we got married in 2005 and were you dating prior yes how long were you dating prior to the marriage about a couple years

Brian Atlascouple years damn it's like four cell phones so so how do you go how do you go from like okay you used to date in the

Brian Atlaspeak of civilization the late 90s early 2000s and then you're just thrust after your husband wanted to other men how do

Brian Atlasyou go from like that and then you're introduced to like dating apps social media was it like culture shock for you it wasn't too much culture shock just

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)because uh I work as a nurse and I work with other people who you know different generations and stuff and so a lot of them will talk about the dating app so I

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)was like oh that's kind of cool and so uh I've tried to stay as uh a breast to technology as I can so I was a little

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)familiar with the dating apps uh Tinder and the dating apps were a little bit weird for me just because I'm so so used to dating organically and actually I

Brian Atlasstill prefer that were you did you get on any dating apps I did okay Tinder hinge Bumble Christian Mingle Farmers

Brian AtlasOnly any of those I did Tinder hinge Facebook dating Tinder hinge Facebook dating okay all right good times cool

TTS Donation Readercool what about you I am currently single I was seeing somebody briefly this past summer my longest relationship sorry hold on Nikelodeon donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 she was jealous he was working on another man's bits would you rather it was a man or woman would you prefer if it was a like had it been a woman that he was

Jamill (+ Kira bleed)cheating on you with I think men was more okay for me to accept than it was women I don't know why let's go around the table on this

Brian Atlasactually we'll come back to the the relationship actually wait okay so going around the table two questions actually one would you prefer if your partner were to cheat

Brian Atlason you would you prefer it's with a man or a woman and then the second question would you prefer if it's a woman would you prefer they cheat on you with someone more attractive or less

Mariattractive than you starting with you go ahead um okay well if they were going to cheat on me I don't really care of the gender so that's it mhm and if it's a woman more attractive

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)less attractive uh attractiveness I don't care wouldn't care at all okay um honestly I'd kind of prefer if it was a man then I'm not comparing myself

Brian Atlashuh okay you'd prefer a man then I know there's nothing wrong with me he's just not straight okay I see okay it's easier to cope um and if it was a woman more attractive or less attractive than you

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)which would you prefer that's kind of hard I kind of think less attractive so then I'm not like it's because of my looks but at the same time that it's like I I

Naomidon't know maybe less attractive okay what about you I kind of agree what was your name again Mari Mari I agree with Mari um I just that's one of my

Naominon-negotiables so cheating is just a big no no for me you wouldn't have any would be mad i' be infuriated that's not the question though you wouldn't have any preference no no PR cuz cheating is

Bricheating about you wait if that's a non-negotiable for you you do only fans though so is that considered cheating what would your partner consider you doing only fans as cheating well I don't

Brihave a partner I'm single but but if you did hypothetically like are you staying single until you retire from only fans or like how do you navigate that like with your relationship um I mean if

Naomisomeone wants to date me it's part of who I am it's part of what I do so if they're going into it knowing that it's kind of on them to be accepting of it have you had a long-term relationship while you're doing content no

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)okay I would say what Emmy said um I guess I would prefer if it was a man and that might like highlight our insecurities more but it's just the

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)truth yeah and probably a less attractive woman for the same reason I think I mean cheating is cheating it sucks uh but probably I also agree agree

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)with Taylor and Emmy I would rather it be a man and probably someone less attractive than me I agree with Taylor and

KatieEmmy for all the reasons that they just stated thank you everyone if I had to choose I would definitely choose another woman because I know that men can have sex and have it

Katienot be emotional it could just be purely physical I know Brian you talked about it on one of the episodes and I would care if the woman was more or less attractive wouldn't matter to me all right I feel like regardless being

Bricheated on is painful doesn't matter if it's like a man or a woman um but more attractive or not it's painful and sucks and should be avoided at all cost okay I

Natalie Winterswould take a very pragmatic approach to this question I feel like if your partner was secretly banging a bunch of guys behind your back there's a higher chance of STDs and AIDS and that kind of

Brian Atlasstuff job so I think I'd probably rather go with a woman okay and then what about the prer or

Katieuglier probably uglier there you have it folks there you have it uh your relationship status yes so I'm single I was seeing somebody briefly back in the summer my longest

Katierelationship was 5 years and I was married for a year and a half and I'm divorced and have been divorced for over

Brian Atlasa decade okay and you have one one kid one kid yes one kid okay uh is the dad still in the picture or are you

Katieco-parent or um yes he he's very much in the picture he was not my my daughter's father was not my ex-husband um we tried

Katiefor about 2 years to get pregnant and it never happened for us and um that's a whole another story but yes my daughter's dad is very much in the picture he's very involved very

Katiewonderful and you said you've been single since the summertime was it yeah I just dated somebody or saw somebody briefly in the summer but before that it was quite a while all right I take

Briparenting very seriously sure what about you um I'm currently single I'm not looking to date at the moment um I'm single as of a few weeks uh I came out of a pretty short relationship but I

Brijumped into that relationship after almost a 5-year relationship so it was kind of doomed to begin with and I wasn't really willing to see that going into it I kind of just fell into it wait

Brian Atlasso your longest relationship was 5 years once that ended you immediately got into another relationship yes which ended a few weeks ago correct how long did the

Brian Atlasmost recent relationship last uh I believe 7 months 7 months how soon after the end of the 5-year relationship did you get into the new relationship like two weeks but I I

Briwasn't okay I know I know I know I wasn't advocating and or looking for a relationship or even friends with benefits I didn't sleep with him immediately did you know him beforehand

Brian Atlasno how did you meet him uh social media like Instagram yeah Instagram you dm'd him or he dm' you no he reached out to

Brian Atlasme did wait so he you break up and then a week goes by and then he DMS you or had he dm'd you prior to the end of your relationship no I so on my social media

Bridon't like if I'm in a relationship I wouldn't typically accept like male follower follower requests so it wasn't until after I became single that I would be accepting new follower requests and then after I accepted him he had started

Brimessaging me from there does it show when the follower follow request was made on Instagram when it was made I don't think so but you that you can see when it's been accepted like the

Brian Atlaschronological order okay so you you break up who who ended

Brian Atlasthe 5-year relationship ship I did you did mhm okay and so when how soon after was it you said it was two weeks mhm

Briyeah like you first met two weeks from the breakup correct yeah okay I know quick I know I learned I sometimes I have to learn hard wayy breakup it was so messy we lived

Brian Atlastogether the 5year breakup we lived together we had a lot of a lot it was really messy wait did you were you still living together after the breakup

Briyeah did you invite the new guy over to the house no so my five year he cheated on me and I was very loyal loyal to I don't want to say loyal to a fault cuz

BriI'll never regret being loyal cuz that's just my character but I felt very betrayed it wasn't one woman it was multiple women it was multiple women

Brithat were overweight and there's nothing wrong with being overweight but he was a it was like a feeding fetish chubby chaser it wasn't even just chubby

Brian Atlaschasing feeder yeah so wa how did you how did you like do the TA Chi you like avoided the feeder oh my gosh okay so I thought that

Brigoing out to all you can eat sushi multiple times a week was normal it's not I it's not normal um so I got I basically found out found out at our

Brifriend's wedding and I was cheating on you mhm so I was sending myself pictures from his phone and he was really drunk and I decided to I had this you know

Briweird feeling and I was like I only have maybe 30 seconds to check where I want to look in his phone to see if there's even anything and I did and I found over 400 messages between him and multiple girls and these weren't just messages

Brilike sending pictures or whatever it was uh we yourself before you eat weigh yourself after I swear it sounds girl you dodged a bullet no I really did

Briand it was multiple women and it was the same conversation basically of him making them eat enough and he would tell them that they're not worthy to speak to him unless you know they eat enough or eat more and I'm like I work out and I

Brifeel like I take care of myself and these women are over 250 lbs and he's telling them that they're not good enough run b r so that's the tea I just want to know

Naomilike where he like found just like this Niche group of people that were like okay with that also you know what I mean like is there a sight for that I maybe that they're into that right saying like oh you're not it's a fetish it's like a

Britotal sex it's like a niche sexual fetish wait so was he trying to fatten you up I think so cuz over Co like the whole world shut down right so I stopped working out you know I played college volleyball at the time and I stopped

Briworking out and I gained a little bit of weight as I'm sure everyone did over Co and he would always tell me you know that's I liked you most when you were this way over and I never never understood that as a woman you kind of

Brihave your own set weight and how you feel comfortable and how you like to look in clothes and I did not feel comfortable at that weight and that was kind of a red flag but I'm like sure guys like thicker girls whatever like

Briteach their own um but it it didn't fully connect the dots until I saw those text messages and I read every single one word for word out loud in front of

Brihim yeah at the W when he was drunk uhhuh it was messy at somebody's wedding no no listen it was in the parking lot

Brian Atlasto be fair wait so okay but did he ever send you those types of text messages to you or with you it was like this repressed thing a little bit

Bribut he was still trying to like he would like feed you kind of discreetly yeah it was very discreet and it was and I thought it was sweet like he he would come home with food for me and I was like oh I just had a long shift at work

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)and you know I had such a long day you're so sweet he would never cook or clean we had always buy me wait so how did he react when like you said like hey I found all this stuff like how did he

Brireact to that like what did he say um he cried and said he was so embarrassed and you know how could I invite his in in um how could I invade his privacy and I'm like sir we live together and have lived

Britogether for years what do you mean privacy other women sending pictures of yourself and our bed to other women the

Bribed that I make the bed that I clean the PS5 I bought you how dare you relatable so was crazy has any girl here had that

Brian Atlasexperience with a dude yes where he was like let me get you fat oh no no I had that with a girl one time I think a girl tried to do that to me tried to get you fat tried to get me fat so I'd be

Brian Atlasless appealing to other women y' I'm actually starting to get a little chubby just uh no she'd like i' tell like yo stop bringing over

Katiecookies but I keep eating them maybe I honestly feel like some girls do do that so it could be I think that's also a term of endearment it's like one of the Love Languages I I I do that fat yeah I

Maribring snacks make sure like you're eating good taking care of you maybe I don't know like that's how the Buddha originality started and everything yeah I don't know damn that's crazy so

Briuh I wow so yeah so I immediately was so he was like cheating on you with a bunch of like obese women is what you're saying

Brian Atlas100% like morbid morbid like how did he have a like a sweet spot like was it obese morbidly obese like you know um these girls were chunky CU these girls

Briwould send pictures too and I understand saw yeah I saw the pictures and um they were unhealthy and it wasn't just a few pounds here a few pounds there they were

Briobese and it made me sad for them and I really I told them you know we're done this there's no chance we're ever goingon to make this work but you need to apologize to these women cuz that's so unfair for you to degrade women and

Mariand they're allowing it sure but it's like that that will stick with them for the rest of their lives Brian how do you feel about this topic like you're really interested into

Mariit like the Obesity do you guys not know about like fetishes and stuff like that that I'm I'm familiar with it oh okay yeah okay it's more so just the there's a laot out

Brian Atlasthere he wasn't he wasn't open with it with you which makes it kind of like that's the crazy part I thought you were like h i mean I do think it's kind of

Maristill like it's a little weird Oh weird okay I thought you were like interested even if you're open with it it's a little okay cuz it's like okay I don't

Brian Atlasknow it's kind of cuz being obese is unhealthy yeah so if you're like feeding like I think it's even if you're open with it even if it's like

Brian Atlasconsensual it still feels a little like abusive you're like pushing this person towards poor health it feels a little uh yeah you're right you're right and I

Brithink the worst the worst part sorry to interrupt you I think the worst part about it is he's the most like bodybuilder type of guy very lean runs works out religiously he's living

Katievicariously through them then he doesn't get to eat all these snacks and treats crazy psychological level eating these other women things that he can't have damn and he would I mean he would eat he

Brididn't have a diet or a strict you know regimen or anything like that but if you looked at him you would have never thought ever in a million years that he would even be into people like that and there's nothing wrong with being into people like that but you

Brian Atlascan't just like stay true to yourself and if that's what you're into that's fine wait so would he ever make comments I mean I think you mentioned this a little bit would he ever make comments

Brito you like would I don't know if this is like TMI but like would you like grab your belly like yeah so what I thought was um his love language being like

Briphysical touch it was actually him like every woman has Parts on your body that you don't want to touch that you're like insecure about or you're like I could go without you seeing this or feeling this and he would go out of

Brihis way to grab that and and acknowledge it and be very aggressive but he he he turned it to be playful and kind of gaset me to make me feel like um I'm the problem and that that should be

Brinormal but that didn't start it didn't start off that way that was the last two years of the almost five years that's crazy that's

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)crazy is there like a reverse feeder thing just someone who wants one really skinny yeah I say that right or like a really like yeah

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)like skinny like man I feel like a lot of girls are into that like what if like would the opposite just be like here's a salad and a singular Crouton star that's

Kirawhat I would do that could be good you know um okay Natalie what about you um I I guess I'm technically single but I actually just met someone who I'm very

Kiraexcited excited about but it's very new so congrats thank you um so I don't know and I think he's watching so I don't know what to say all right how long have you guys been dating we like just met like like a week ago few days ago few

Natalie Wintersdays ago a lot of overlap we know a lot of mutual people and is he also involved in politics uh sort of in a way but not

Natalie Wintersreally not for work but he knows political people who I work with I'm being V but Donald Trump no is it Donald Trump okay no Queen Melania never ever

Natalie Wintersever ever wait what do you do for work again uh I co-host a show called war room and it's my co-host is Steve Bannon who was the CEO of the Trump campaign in 2016 um so

Brian Atlasyeah all right and what's your longest relationship um a year one year all right we got everyone's relationship status here a lot of you said you're all of you are single except for you who has

Brian Atlasa friends with benefits and you have this new thing going on so what does being single actually mean here um some of you have been single for

Brian Atlasyears uh so starting with you there's no guys in the picture yeah currently there's no guys in the picture um wait

Brian Atlasdoes anyone here by or have a different orientation just okay I'm any any ladies in the picture then um no but um this

Mariguy kind of me over or sorry for cursing but um say like January um found out he was literally living with like an

Mariold ass woman and I would pick him up to bring him to my house and all this BS after that I was like I'm just done I'm taking a break and I just stayed celent

Marilike literally you've been celibate for a year and a half I've been celibate for like uh I want to say like 6 months 6 months okay but you said you've been single for 1.5 years yeah so then I

Maristarted talking to this other guy and then I ended that quick so okay yeah so there's nobody in the picture no so you've been cellit for how

Marilong like yeah like 6 months 3 months around there 3 months 6 months mons three months three months pretty big it's just hard those two guys me

Mariover they they you over like in the head like I'm just like I'm over men like just I want to be left alone you're you're over men why is that should I even answer

Brian Atlasthat uh if you want yeah we can continue you got uh what's it called you said you got over

Brian Atlasthat's right yeah okay you're single 6 months to 7 months you've been single right um any any guys in the picture though I mean yeah when you're single of course you talk to

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)people on and off and like it only goes so far depending on like what you're looking for what are you looking for um I think I'd be looking for a relationship but like I have been single

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)for such a short amount of time so it's like I don't know but also when you graduate like you don't know where you're going to move so it's kind of hard to like be looking for a relationship when you don't know where

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)you're going you graduated in what a couple months or something yeah do you you don't have any plan no I'm a Ling to internships and jobs right now I'm not sure do you think you'll stick around in Santa Barbara or you're going to well

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)I'm taking some summer courses so I'm going to have to until September and so I have that time to figure out where I'm going to go I see okay wait you you're from did you say up north originally or

Brian Atlasyeah Berkeley Berkeley okay wait so any guys in the picture um you know just people I'm talking to are you talk do you have like a what's it called uh a

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)roster right now you got a roster you got uh honestly no like I don't talk I know your friends are kind of throwing you under the bus there a little it's just

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)one I know I honestly like I don't talk to PE like it's hard for me to get into like things with people same yeah you have a great voice by the way it I lost my voice so it's

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)really raspy right now like oh this isn't your normal we last night so all of our voices are we were at wild cat doing karaoke so going crazy

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)okay wait so there is one guy kind of in the picture yeah is it the talking stage is situationship maybe I guess you could say that I don't consider things things

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)until you're dating someone until there's a title yeah I don't consider anything a thing until you're dating someone okay and so how long have you been seeing this guy um I don't know maybe a couple months I mean when you're

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)single like you you go on dates like you talk to multiple people and it only goes so far you know it's like what what do you mean it only goes so far I mean I don't know you go on a couple dates you don't necessarily get along like you

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)stop talking after that like that's just kind of how it goes like you hook up with them and yeah I mean I guess not always though right not always yeah and so would

Brian Atlasyou have you like besides this there seems you got a main main piece and side hose it sounds like do you have side hose I don't have any main piece you

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)don't have a mainho no I don't I I really like I don't talk to a lot of people like that what about this guy that you've been seeing for a couple months you can only do you think he's

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)seeing other girls yeah what if she's just like you know he's seeing other girls or you like you just think he's seeing other girls no I I don't know nothing is Ser like you don't really pay a lot of attention to someone until

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)you're actually a title so like I don't know like I wouldn't consider anything talking until you're dating like really well how how often do you see this guy once a week twice a week um couple times a week I don't know it's it's sporadic

Brian Atlaslike it's not wait is it like one of those situations where it's like exploring cool where it's like Friday 11:00 p.m. what you're doing is it that kind of thing or is it no not

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)necessarily a little more structured where it's like hey what's up let's hang out Thursday 700 p.m. I guess I mean yeah I mean for longer periods of time yeah like they'll

Brian Atlasgo out on like dates and stuff yeah like he'll worst nightmare do you want do you want more does he want more has there been any

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)conversation like that um not necessarily I mean like at this age like everyone I'm talking to is leaving college so it's like right you can't

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)Bank on anything or really get too serious like that until you know where you're going where you're going to be does he know he doesn't know what he's his plans are or um I I don't is he

Brian Atlasa freshman you guys dating um no no does he go to school though he's also in

Brian Atlasschool okay UCSB yeah yeah okay uh all right well uh it is sort of transient in the sense that you might be graduating soon he might be graduating soon you

Brian Atlasguys don't know where you guys stand on that front um yeah I think they're just like having a good time with each other right now you just VI serious but when you say you think they're just having a good time right

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)now do you just mean just having sexual intercourse is not just that like they're going on dates they're just like having fun like I don't know that's fine um just stuff like that okay good times

Brian Atlasum what about you what were the questions so you're single right you've been single for two years but you know you live in Miami is it no Phoenix Phoenix okay my bad sorry it's okay uh

Brian Atlasyou know there's a lot of handsome men out there in Phoenix not so much okay I don't get out much you don't get out much you just stay inside and take nude

Naomiphotographs pretty much absolutely yeah good times uh okay so no guys in the picture come on no actually still zero since the last time Z I'm calling cap

Brian AtlasI'm calling cap still zero what isn't it the case though with girls who do only fans or even just content creators in general that it hurts your bottom line if you were to openly admit that you

Naomihave a boyfriend or you're seeing somebody like if you did have a boyfriend would you not disclose it um I would probably disclose it but I wouldn't post him okay like the person I

Naomimade content with made past tense um I was never in a romantic relationship with them I only with one you did BG content I did yeah but only with one person only one one guy you've ever done

Naomithat with okay just someone else in the industry that I trusted wait so you okay so there's you've been single for two years yeah my first year out of my relationship I was celibate my whole first year and then I started only fans

Brian Atlasand then you had a partner you work with but you no longer work with him anymore yeah just I don't make any more content right now okay so you're telling me there's no guys in the picture right now not of Friends

Brian Atlaswith Benefits not a situationship not even a talking stage no I wish I get lonely stop the C I promise on that I'm

Brian Atlasgoing call cap on that I don't have time I'm here what if a guy during the show DMS me and says I'm her sneaky link

Naomishe's lying would you fess up would you fess up to who's going to okay yeah sure you want to put a bet on it we can put a beted on it I'm good I'm all right can I ask her a related question go okay you

Marisaid that you hate men right I don't mean it literally how do you well you you do only fans right you said you just started um no I've been

Natalie Wintersdoing it since I was 18 but I just restarted so do you hate men enough why do you are you still okay taking their money on only fans and interacting with them via that like how do you or do you

Marijust hate men I don't actually hate men it was just kind of like a metaphor how is that a metaph um because like I literally didn't mean it there's hella men in this

Mariworld like why would I hate every single men I mean that's pretty logical no I I agree with with you but you just said I hate men yeah did I miss that was it I did say that no I did say that because

Brian Atlasthat's how I wait can you scoot your mic this way s because that's how sometimes I feel in the moment you know you didn't really move it but I appreciate the effort I was just curious because I feel

Brian Atlaslike a lot of only fans creators not really but okay she tried how do you want me to scoot it Scot scoot it like move it yeah there you go that's good okay so I well you

Naomiguys are just like you know you hate men so much you don't need them it straight though straighten it straight put it straight I don't feel that way I'll put it out there I love myself you know

Brian Atlasstraight just straight if you can well I don't no straight like straight yeah there you go and then but then move it back that way you moved it over too far you're encroaching you're encroaching

Maritring ter what they're saying at the same time okay yeah good yeah you're well done okay continue you had some questions for as well no I think I

Natalie Winterswas just trying to understand the metaphor that is I hate men um but I guess it's allegedly not a metaphor but I was just kind of curious is it a simile I think she said she's over men I

Maridon't think she said she hates no I said I hate men oh wow are you are you over man I don't know if you're putting words in her mouth no I already explained it so if you can't understand it I'm sorry do you ever want to get I guarantee you

BriI can understand you say do you ever want to get married of course yeah um how do you view marriage um be I noticed that there's a cross hanging from your earring how do you feel about religion

Mariand marriage and like what's your stance on that um marriage um what do you mean by marriage like CU there's a lot of you know a lot of people can get married in different

Briaspects yeah I mean like more traditional marriage tradition and like the the purpose of like what marriage would be for you and what that means for you okay um but see you kind of defeated

Brian Atlasthe purpose of me moving the mic I don't want you to shift your body so if you can just shift your like this perfect go

Mariahead okay um marriage just loyalty love happiness peacefulness but can't you have that

Briwithout marriage like 100% so do you feel like marriage is necessary outside of religion um no you don't think it's necessary outside Mar is necessary no would you consider yourself religious or

Brido you have any beliefs that would either Propel you towards marriage or take you further I don't consider myself religious what do you consider yourself more spiritual in your pre-show notes

Brian Atlasyou stated you practice astrology and Witchcraft yes uh can you explain the Witchcraft [Music]

Maripart do you want to know or like I just asked okay so I've been studying astrology since I was like don't care about astrology oh witchcraft the Witchcraft got you got you so do you

Mariknow what white magic is um sure okay well white magic is all

Maripositive magic it's to help yourself it's to positively impact you it's the crystals all that BS that you probably don't believe in you know stuff like

Brian Atlasthat it's manifestation is just to help you out and you practice the white magic yes white magic what do you have a name for like

Mariyou consider yourself a witch um are you more like might you'd be a mage warlock well I'm still young warlock is a male

Marilisten are warlocks M can I say something I'm still young so when it comes to things like this it takes years for you to actually have a status to

Brian Atlasbecome a artist what is it a a top Mage whatever you want to call it um it does take a while to like get to level 60 and stuff like when you're

Brian Atlasplaying it does take a while to like level up to 60 so I get it yeah so yeah yeah wait so you're you're a witch okay I guess do you do you consider yourself

Maria witch I don't like to call myself a witch because I really appreciate all the witches out there I would say I'm more like a student of a wites you're

Marilearning you're in City College for being a witch sure okay but I also go to regular have you cast any spells have I casted any spells why are you asking me

Brian Atlasthat are you scared yeah I'm trembling I'm terrified I see that oh my God are you okay uh but did you did you cast any spells are you okay Thomas the

TTS Donation Readerpoet donated $100 Naomi stop the app with that sick body you have to have simps on the roster would love to be one on you

TTS Donation Readerroster Brian great panel tonight so many normal and regular based ladies refreshing what is that even refresh uh Thomas the poet I'm not C thank you

NaomiThomas the poet I appreciate you uh sending thas the poet donation no I swear though I actually have no men right now I'm just really busy 100% like

NaomiI swear BS it's BS why is it why why is that so crazy but I would agree I would oh what agree with what go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead I would agree that this is a really great panel

Naomibecause it's not only only fans girls like I actually really appreciate that question that you asked it's like I think Candace Owens brought that up on here what like proba what that that same question about like atheism and marriage

Katieand okay you know the benefits of marriage true disagree with one of the things that she said I think I think she said that marriage can only be synonymous if you're religious and I

Katietotally there's no yeah I say I appreciate the question because it does bring up a you disagree with Candace she said that she said that you can only or basically marriage can only be a

Naomimarriage if you're religious and religion plays into that marriage so I mean what why get married for any reason other than for religious reasons what

Naomicommitment like on commitment taxes you love your partner have question there could be a million reasons to get married the financial reasons you stated

Katieare fairly negligible I think it's mainly to just show the world that you love this person and you're committed to this person and you're you're having a ceremony in front of all of your friends and your family

Katieand you're making that commitment and if you don't have a marriage sorry go ahead and I'll I'll ask a account no go ahead go ahead finish no and if you don't have a marriage it when you're married

Katiespeaking from somebody that was married there is a way that others who are married see you it's it's almost like you're part of this group you know if somebody is a dog owner and then you meet somebody else that's a dog owner

Katieyou're you're in this family you're in this group and so for for people who are married they see other people who are married and I don't know if they take them more seriously or their commitment

Brian Atlasmore seriously but they definitely are seen in a particular way infers certain social benefits because of ingroup bias

Katieessentially not necess not necessarily let let me ask you a question let me ask you a question what can I let's say there's a secular person who doesn't get married for religious reasons who

Brian Atlasdoesn't get married for religious reasons religiosity is not a component to their marriage okay and you you admitted you said that well people even if you're not religious there's there's

Brian Atlasbenefit of getting married what can I as a man get from Marriage that I can't get from a long-term life partner uh like monogamous

KatieMH what why should I get married I just I think for the same reason that I said it's to to solidify that commitment in front of your friends and your family

Naomiand maybe to solidify it to let me introduce a word to this conversation called divorce so there is no and yeah Brian but like religious people get divorced as well yeah precisely

Brian Atlasprecisely but at least one of the reasons one of the reasons that someone who's religious gets married is for religious reasons there's a religious motivation there they they're moving

Katiepursuant to their religious beliefs but if you're secular or an atheist I frankly see absolutely no so I think marriage is just it's like the Pinnacle of the relationship it's you cannot get

Katieany any more committed than being in a marriage and I think for some people myself included I got married because I wanted that final level that max level I

Katiewanted to commit to my husband 100% we had gone through lots of ups and downs and we wanted to make it official we wanted to give it a a fair a fair

Katiebasically a fair chance officially officially and not just long-term boyfriend girlfriend living together we wanted to were you guys religious

Naomino I I would hate to be a girlfriend after 20 years like this is my boyfriend like pop any type of question it is just like a form of like serious commitment I

Marithink more than religious um why do you why is religion related to marriage I I want to know your standpoint I me that's that's the origination that's the

MariGenesis of understand that but why do you think you should still be religious in order to get married I'm not that's not really the

Brian Atlasargument I'm making I just don't see if you're if you're secular I see no reason uh uh to get married and honestly even if you're religious the only reason if

Brian Atlasyou're religious to get married is for your religious values at least from a man's perspective there's absolutely no reason to get married so Brian let me oh can I interrupt yeah let me ask you a

Katiequestion so if you weren't religious but say you met a girl and you were dating a girl and you were really serious with a girl who wasn't super religious but definitely considered religion important to

Brian Atlasher if if she did she wouldn't date somebody who didn't who wasn't religious agreed oh okay so I mean it's but go ahead let's just say she was mild

Katieto moderately religious you didn't want to get married you just wanted to have a lifelong commitment but marriage was really important to her and like I said you were really serious with her you'd been dating her for a couple years you

Brian Atlascould definitely see yourself long term with her would you get married for her you mean would I do it because she wants it yes well what about what I want which

Katieis to not get married why can't she be the one to to come into my frame on this point and but there's no there's no middle ground there there's no

Katiecompromise it's either you get married or you don't so are you saying that you would want oh sorry are you saying that you would want her to be the one that compromised

Katieabsolutely okay because the the what if that meant ending the end of their of your relationship then here I

Brian Atlasgot this hold on a out you go goodbye okay so I'm not you if you look if a girl wants to be with me you're not going to you're you're not going to use

Naomithis as leverage I'm not going to accept like I'm not going to accept that okay you want to be with me you can be with me yeah him only cut off all all your hoes before the first day well we can

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)get into that later would you make any sort of like compromises like not com I don't know just like if say like she wanted to live in a different city like would you compromise like what about

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)civil ceremony CU does it all like does one question at a time please does the whole relationship just have to be everything that you want or are you going to like it does okay ites well I

Brian Atlasguess then that just well look it's you guys you guys want men to leave right you guys want you you want men to take initiative you want men to ask you out you want men to pay for hold on let me finish you want men to ask you out you

Brian Atlaswant men to decide what you want to eat that night you don't know what you want to eat I'll pick what you want to eat you want me to make the decisions you want men to be dominant in the bedroom

Brian Atlasyou want men to be leaders okay we don't need the obnoxious gesturing um but it seems like in these so yes I'm going to be the leader in in those sorts of

Brian Atlasdeterminations right in that scenario the only the only scenario where I'm going to consider marriage or consider something like this

Brian Atlasis if I'm if I'm in uh a relationship with a woman who's substantially out earning me okay only then for example if she

Emmy (+ Taylor/Kira bleed)cons even then I would still she still needs to defer leadership to me even if she's out earning me I think it's fair to say that's what you're looking for and that's what maybe the majority of

Brian Atlaswomen you've been with are looking for but it's not fair to say all women oh I didn't say that I when you say women what are what are you saying alluding but so what do you mean in terms of

Brian Atlaswanting men to take initiative yeah I don't think necessarily all women want that so it's not fair to say I actually do think it's fair to say generally speaking definitely feminist hold on

Brian Atlashold on I actually do think it's fair to say to do to use women in the general sense obviously it's not all women in the sense that I could find you one woman who like approaches men or like

Brian Atlastakes initiative I can certainly find outliers but I don't think it's wrong to for example say humans have 10 fingers there are some humans who are

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