INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsontry and zoom out okay so whose preferences are you following oh my God my own your own okay and so if something doesn't align with those preferences it's bad right no I'm saying if no

Andrew Wilsonactually I'm saying if it affects some someone if I if it okay so let me make this super clear so desire says no this is bad you say it's good what makes you

Desireeright in her wrong well she can have her preference her opin makes you right in her wrong though the way you argue it the logic what yeah if you're going to if

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to try and that's how you prove things so let's say Okay so let's say Desiree says sleeping with a corpse is okay and you say no it's wrong what

Desireemakes you right and her wrong if I say if you were a court well if I say I think I think like we can all agree that that if we were a corpses we would not

Andrew Wilsonwant people disrespecting we we appeal to we all for what is moral so if we all say it's okay to like beat a person to death that's now moral what if we all say it's okay to beat a person to death

Andrew Wilsonand that's moral then or well we make up what is moral and what is not moral up okay so so if we make up what is moral and Des says X thing is moral how could you

Andrew Wilsonever tell her she's wrong you argue it like we're doing right now with why why even if you were right would that make what she's saying

Andrew Wilsonimmoral even if your argument was even even if she was so let's say through argumentation you were able to come to

Andrew Wilsonthe conclusion that this thing over here I have an incons consistent take with it that still wouldn't demonstrate why it's wrong isn't that a law of logic that if

Andrew Wilsonif it's self-contradicting isn't that a no that's not a contradiction well okay so what you can say something inconsistent it's not a contradiction so so here let me let like

Andrew Wilsonlet me help you out here somebody goes up and they grab a raccoon a dead raccoon off the road and they have sex with it tell me why that's wrong other

Desireethan other than because I don't like it because animals can't consent they don't have that why is that important why is that important so that

Andrew Wilsonwe don't do that to raccoons I guess yeah but it's dead why would you need it to consent because we Respect the Dead as a as a what do you mean we obviously

Andrew Wilsonthe person doing it doesn't yes that's true why why are they why are they wrong why are they doing something that's wrong why we deemed it as wrong and we have reasons that we

Andrew Wilsondeem it as wrong now what do you keep saying we for oh my your reasons what are your reasons for why it's wrong why is it wrong for him to do that why you just keep saying we that doesn't mean

Desireeanything why do you think it's wrong for him to do that if I was a well if I a raccoon has the I mean wait a dead raccoon so it

Desireethat's that's a dead thing so if I was a dead corpse I would not want to be uh essay so that's that's where I get so

Desireewhy why should we give to your preference for what you would want why is what you want what is moral because if we all treat each other how we want

Andrew Wilsonto be treated so it's all consensus back to consensus we all us we most of us is it is morality consensus or is morality

Desireeyou morality is a discourse what wait so so wait so as long as we all agree on something it's moral we we

Desireejust it's a word to describe if we think it's bad or good okay so we meaning collectively the people who speak so most of so wait wait

Andrew WilsonI just want to make sure I got this right if most of us think a thing is moral it is moral it's considered moral oh is it

Desireemoral I don't believe that there's inherent uh posi I mean animals kill animals all the time that's why I

Desireemean what animals do horrible things they're not but we don't consider them evil it's all I don't feel like we're getting any closer to what is moral who determines what is moral how do we determine that is that just based on

Andrew Wilsonconsensus then yeah okay so if it's just based on on consensus then the Aztec empire the consensus was it was okay to take a person on top of a pyramid cut their

Andrew Wilsonchest open pull their heart out and sacrifice it to the son God most of them agreed that that was moral that was moral correct no

Desireewhy we don't we don't think that anymore wait wait they did they did talking about all of them did there is no morality if there's no humans there's no

Andrew Wilsonone to Jud were hum they thought it was moral why do you say it wasn't moral for them to do that Andrew it's a judgment that that a person makes that's why I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying we I'm talking about the human race so you you mean you people think conscious brains make judgments that's what morality is so morality is conscious brains

Andrew Wilsonmaking judgments so if all the conscious brains make the Judgment that sacrificing a person on top of a pyramid and cut their heart out sacrificing it to Raw is okay then it's okay right

Desireewell I don't think anything is inherently bad or good it's what we decide so we evolve to say decide to take a guy up on top of a pyramid cut

Desireetheir [ __ ] heart out and sacrifice it to the Sun God that's okay I would say they had flawed logic I would say they had flawed logic and they were probably falling

Desireereligious is it is the person sacri stop Desiree show me what they did which was illogical well I'm I'm going I'm going based off of treat others how you would

Andrew Wilsonwant to be treated which I think is a good moral code they want to have their heart cut out they given to the sun god they want that shenal it's part of their culture I don't see the problem with we let her talk Des aay we don't need you

Andrew Wilsoninvolved I promise can we just finish our combo we're almost done so so what is actually wrong if the guy says cut my heart out and they all cut his heart out what is actually wrong with

Desireethat I'm not going to honestly say that that that you're a bad person if you commit suicide so so hang on now let's say he's

Andrew Wilsonthe one guy on planet Earth one guy who doesn't want his heart cut out and all of the rest of humanity does why should he not have his heart cut

Desireeout there's no there's no there's no grander judgment that you can make there's no objective judgment there is no objective Jud I give a [ __ ] about anything you say when you say to me

Andrew Wilsonthere's no objective morality there's no objective judgment there's no objective let me ask you a question there's no objective morality correct not in my opinion is that

Andrew Wilsonobjective no it's an opinion yes right so it's not even objective then either right so if morality is just sub this subjective Tri and you can just come up with whatever the [ __ ] you want and it's

Andrew Wilsonjust all based on consensus then if the ensus says that men can [ __ ] as many women as they want and women can't [ __ ] as many men as they want how can you

Desireegive me a single objection to that uh if it's it may be considered I I can disagree with it personally I can

Andrew Wilsonsay I have a different logic that I follow so the logic that you follow that if the consensus says it's perfectly acceptable for men to [ __ ] 500 women and

Andrew Wilsonit's not even acceptable for women to [ __ ] one woman give me the logic that shows that that would be wrong in some way my logic would be it's a double

Desireestandard yeah what's wrong with a double standard well I think I think people should be treated equally to the best you know yeah but why should they be

Desireebecause I would I I think that's what's in the best interest for world you are the ultimate Arbiter of morality right of my morality yeah

Andrew Wilsonyeah so you're so you you personally are the ultimate Arbiter of morality I think me me of

Desireemy I I I make my own opinions right so you so wait so if all of society said if

Andrew Wilsonmen [ __ ] 500 women that's fine but if women [ __ ] one man that's not fine you would disent and disagree and say all of

Andrew Wilsonthem were doing something immoral right uh yeah I disagree with so yeah so then who is the ultimate Arbiter of morality

Andrew Wilsonno one you it has to be you that's a logical that's a logical entailment if all other human beings disagree with your logic and you said logic is how you

Andrew Wilsoncome to this right you say okay all of you are wrong I am the ultimate Arbiter of what is moral you're all wrong and you shouldn't be doing this right no I

DesireeI'm wouldn't I wouldn't deem I would make an argument I wouldn't deem I wouldn't say you're wrong no matter what say [ __ ] off we're going to do it anyway if they if let me let me if they made a

Andrew Wilsonif they made an argument that I that I was like you know what yeah you're right then I would change my mind no no you say no you're not right all of you are wrong I still my preferences I haven't

Andrew Wilsonheard a good argument for it yeah all of your I just want to let you so that you understand all of your morality everything that you're considering moral right now is just coming from preferences you're just saying my it

Andrew Wilsondoesn't align with my preferences if it doesn't align with what I prefer then it's immoral you keep on saying things like well you would have to logically convince me but why is logic even

Desireeimportant can you even tell me why it's important because it's a measure it's measurable logic is

Desireemeasurable that's yes how well tell me how how do you measure logic no like you try and prove things by measuring by by measurements like saying

Desireeyou are not taller like like deduction like you use deduction and all these like it's a math canic is a math ma not not deduction that would be induction

Andrew Wilsonbut how do you measure how do you measure logic like how like is logic shut up Desiree it's not your turn

Desireeis logic six feet tall well we we say that tall it means you are you know you stand physically higher so if

Desireeif you were to measure and someone has a lower a lower height then you can say with your logic because you measured them that they are shorter than the other

Andrew Wilsonperson why would that be logical deduction you measured it I I I don't understand why is measurement logical because it's it's

Andrew Wilsonobjective what's objective it's literally subjective it okay tell me what's objective about an inch taller and shorter is an objective measurement

Andrew Wilsonof size really okay give me the exact measurement then for tall no you can consider something taller oh you can't wait wait hang on hang on I just want to make sure I got

Desireethis right what is the objective measurement for tall oh if it's if it's if it's the length the the if you measure something of its height yeah what is the logically objective

Andrew Wilsonmeasurement for tall it would be taller yeah it would be relative relative to you guys have three minutes on this and then I got to move it on okay yeah I'm almost done but what

Andrew Wilsonis the logically objective metric for tall again a bigger number versus a smaller number yeah but okay so what is tall

Andrew Wilsonthough a bigger bigger no no the basine what is the Baseline for tall there's no there's no Baseline for tall everything

Andrew Wilsonthen how do you know wait then then I'm I'm sorry so then how is tall is how is tall a logical objective metric then if

Desireethere's no Baseline for it it's a dis tall is a you can use it as an adjective or you can say this is taller than this like my house is not taller I understand

Andrew Wilsontaller than meaning this thing bigger than this that's objective tall but I got that but you said there's an objective measurement for what is tall no I didn't say that oh so so it's

Desireesubjective what is tall it's tall compared to you it's a it's a descriptor no but what's the Baseline for what is tall it's a descriptor so there is no Baseline for

Desireetall so it's just objective right if if it's an adjective and you're describing it well I mean adjective is

Andrew Wilsonsubjective right yeah yeah everything is subjective in your worldview right you can you can measure things well I I don't understand that

TTS/Donationswould be subjective too measurement is subjective desert Joe donated $0000 is it immoral for women to discriminate against short men is it immoral for men to discriminate against

Andrew Wilsonfat women but hang on before you get to this I just want to wrap this up real quick I just want to make sure that I got this right that you are not the ultimate Arbiter of what is moral that is correct right it's

DesireeSociety at large that is the Arbiter of what is moral I don't believe that there is an Arbiter of moral it's a thing that it's thing that people decide individually well if people decide it

Andrew Wilsonindividually then each individual is the Arbiter of what is moral yeah okay well then you the individual would be the Arbiter of all that is moral no of my morality well then and and and if

Andrew Wilsonanything goes against your morality it's immoral right to me then that would be you being the ultimate Arbiter of what is moral

Andrew Wilsonthere's more than me in the world and who else is the ultimate Arbiter of what is moral except you I've said many times there's no Arbiter of moral I think that's like yeah you keep saying that but it makes no sense because then when

Andrew WilsonI question that you say no anything that doesn't align with my preferences is immoral so if that's the case who else but you could be the Arbiter of what is

Andrew Wilsonmoral so moral is a descriptive word that's just Gob goop right Andrew is a descriptive word like what the [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsondoes that mean it doesn't mean anything robs don't decide morality everything is subject to if this does not align with

Andrew Wilsonmy preferences it's wrong who else but you could be the Arbiter of what is

Desireemoral no one can arbit be the Arbiter of my morality it's every person has morality or or maybe they don't a lack

Andrew Wilsonof person could be the Arbiter of your morality you right yeah and if all things which disagree with your morality are immoral then you would be the

Desireeultimate Arbiter right yeah of my own morality yeah and you're the ultimate Arbiter of morality my own morality I'm I'm not the only

Andrew Wilsonwell I'm sorry who else's morality do you go off of hold on hold on so I you go hang on do you go off of Fred's morality or do you go off of your morality I granted three minutes for

Brian Atlasthis it's already been four minutes I need a final closing statement from both of you yeah do you go off of your morality or do you go off of Fred's morality I go off of mine and so my my

Andrew Wilsonfin so if you go off of yours and anybody who disagrees with yours is wrong and immoral who the [ __ ] else but you could be the Arbiter of morality my

Desireemorality is actually fluid and I can decide I can decide yeah I can I can I can evaluate things differently FL I can

TTS/Donationslike milk one day and I can not like milk another day this not liking milk donated $100 apart from sex happening with only

TTS/Donationsone person it does not change the fact that you had sex 50 times and yet women feel the need to lie about it and meant to expect you to lie to

Brian Atlasthem Brian I don't know I don't I don't know I'm morally fluid now so what do I know thank you uh Tamara Tamara Tamara tamarama

Brian AtlasTamara uh I want I don't want a woman to lie to me I want to know I want to take the red pill like tell me you have a bodyc count of 100 so that I don't date you oh you're talking with the chat yeah

Benedettais it something that you ask like actually like why do you care it's like the first question I asked why like wait why do I care we move so what's your question like why

Brian Atlaswould you care like why would I care yeah it's the best whatever like okay I'll ask you a question uh would you date a man who previously slept with

Brian Atlasmen no wait hold on well I got to use your logic here it's the past right no okay but I'm I I'm talking

Benedettaabout like the body cam like I'm not talking about the your sexuality like if you're yeah let's say he's bisexual yeah I would not dat a bisexual

TTS/Donationsfor like but what if yeah but he he stopped being by but you can't stop being by Hillary Epstein donated $100 how can you justify your promise

TTS/DonationsCity when the three men that are on your postings all have wedding rings enabling him Earl no clue how you can justify being a harlot that's not true

DesireeEarl guy I have on there was the guy that I was like in an open relationship with than that it's just other um well actually I did make content with a married couple so they would have rings

Rebeccabut it was like a thank you one thing before we keep going I have to go my kids are waiting downstairs um I can leave my notes sure that's fine yeah wait wait wait I I know you might think that it's immoral to

Rebeccaleave your kids downstairs but you should just be morally fluid obviously my bad I should clearly well uh thank you for coming to meet you by the way have a nice night it's nice to

Brian Atlasmeet you thank you because obviously I'm the Arbiter of all things moral yeah wake me up with that one here you go oh just you can just leave it there that's that's fun uh yeah thank you for coming

Brian Atlashave a good night thank you for coming uh so going back to your thing what was it why would you care it's the past like why would you care like what what does does it add to

Benedettayour to your so thinking like about when it comes to body count yeah like you ask it and what like she said I don't know

Brian Atlas30 or she said 50 or she said five like what I would be more yes it's pretty simple it's pretty simple I would be more attracted to her if it was lower and I'd be less attracted to her if it

Benedettawas higher why it's like it's it's so it's so like for me like you go through a lot of f in your life I think so like

Benedettathere's a phase where you're like more going around looking up or whatever or there's a phe where you don't want to do it like it's it's just normal so human

Benedettadevelopment kind of wait hold on I mean I don't care so oh go ahead no I don't know like I feel like it doesn't add anything to the relation so what do you mean it doesn't add anything to the

Benedettarelationship if I if I if I meet you and I know that thing it doesn't add anything like it doesn't add something it doesn't change anything it doesn't change anything yeah or or even like so

Brian AtlasI don't want to know like I don't care it's your thing sure I mean well are you saying that uh you are who you are and like if you meet this individual whether

Benedettathey have a body count of five or of 50 it doesn't actually I mean they are who they are it's not going to change who they are who they are as a person like it's not an important thing I don't I

Brian Atlasdon't yeah well you don't care so just to be clear well I'll explore that and we'll have the back and forth but so if a guy told you that he had slept with uh

Brian Atlaslet's get a split going on this if we can uh sorry guys one sec so if a guy told you that he had slept with a

Benedettathousand women before you not a problem for you no okay I mean a thousand I mean you're you're extremely you're putting

Brian Atlasin the ex sure sure I am too much but you agree that there is a point normal like oh so some so normal no like a

Benedettathousand it's I mean I'm not talking about the extreme numbers I'm but if it if it doesn't matter at all then wouldn't it

Benedettaalso not matter if it's 100 is 100 extreme but it's 100 extreme no no it would like I don't care I don't want to know I don't want to know at all like

Benedettawhy don't you want to know because I I think would you no because I think it's like a private thing it's your thing I in it doesn't like it's not conversation like an

Brian Atlasimportant convers it's not something add me something well you don't care about it yeah me I'm talking about but you do kind of care about it because when I give you the extreme example you do kind of care about it no so a thousand body count for the guy don't care no I don't

Brian Atlascare you wouldn't care so here let me frame it frame the question differently you find out the guy you're interested in has slept with three other women that week is that a

Benedettaproblem yeah maybe but so like no it depends like like it depends it depends of what I want like if I want to stay

Brian Atlaswith him or if I want just hook up with him so like well him if I use both of these I mean even if you I feel like in both even if you just wanted to [ __ ]

Benedettaonce or you wanted a relationship yeah but you you both of these are kind of terrible because this man you never know like if you w up with someone you don't know what what he's lie they might they might lie they might they could also

Brian Atlastell you the truth talk about that but they could also tell you the truth yeah which is what you would hope for right yeah right but so let's assume ignoring this component of well they could lie

Brian Atlaslet's assume that you know right let's say assume that they're forthcoming and then tell you the truth would you feel comfortable sleeping with a man no if he

Brian Atlas[ __ ] a girl an hour before you why not is it gross yeah yeah so that's how men feel that gross feeling that's how men feel in general about women's

Benedettapromiscuity but so because but if you do it like if because I had like um with my ex exboyfriend we talk about that and

Benedettahis number was lower than mine and he got like all the relationship was about that one that thing like oh no you slept with that that you had it matters to it

Benedettamattered to him yeah yeah and it was like that's just like a ego thing because my number was higher than yours and like so so basic like so some how do

Brian Atlasyou say like masculine thing like oh like it was like an eag he was e thing machismo he couldn't handle it so it's

TTS/Donationsno it's not about he couldn't handle it stay with someone like with a girl that hail and well met LOL paladins donated

TTS/Donations$100 and2 cents that is Brian you are forgetting that a man who has slept with three other women this same week makes him more desirable to women go back to the bi analogy because that gives her

Brian Atlasthe that is a fair point because there is a differential here between men and women so like a man who's capable of sleeping with a lot of women even if you as a woman have like an adversity to

Brian Atlaspromiscuity in men like you will at least acknowledge that men who are capable of sleeping with a lot of women they typically are going to be more attractive N I disagree in total but

Brian Atlasyeah whereas women that doesn't make you more attractive your ability to like sleep with a lot of dudes I don't I don't think so you wait are you you don't think so as you agree

Brian Atlasor you disagree no I disagree like it's the same it's totally the same wait so do you think that it's just as easy for men and women to get sex no it's so much easier for women for women to get sex

Brian Atlasright so then it's more impressive because they decide yeah when knowers yeah most of the time most of the time always but like yeah but I

Brian Atlasdon't think that you you get some points because you w up with well the the difference is is like for example so

Brian Atlaslet's say if guys were looking at a uh an attractive girl but but she they knew that she had just slept with like three

Brian Atlasmen like most men are going to be really turned off by that but me too sure but it's there's a bit of a different difference here so why I think women

Brian Atlascare far less than men do when it comes to body count and you said you don't care but you dated a guy who did care but I think why I think original that's good like I don't think that's normal you should not be like this what should

Benedettanot be like this you should not be girls No it should be like something that it's not on like different levels when you when you say I mean I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that male promiscuity is good I'm just saying it's different like women don't seem to care that much about it

Benedettasome do so yeah some do and I met sorry you don't care I care you care okay I I think it's it depends because I met I met guys that doesn't care that don't

Brian Atlascare yeah some guys don't care never been asked truthfully though I mean if a guy does care and he's asking you about it it's for the ego no well I mean the point the point hold on just let me

Brian Atlasfinish so the point I was trying to make here is that if a guy does ask you this question it's actually kind of a green flag because he's vetting you for long-term commitment so if a guy just wants to [ __ ] you if a guy just wants to

Benedetta[ __ ] you most guys won't care they'll just like what relationship without this question I've never to matter to relationship that's not what I'm arguing

Brian Atlasso um I I do [ __ ] I lost it uh you said uh getting back to your original point though you said the past doesn't matter so I do want to kind of get back to this

Benedettalike why would you not date a guy who experimented with men let's say he no I I'm talking no you're misunderstanding like said doesn't matter the past doesn't matter in yeah I'm testing your

Benedettalogic talking about how many girls you hook up with not talking about everything because if it's everything the past doesn't matter you can murder someone no it doesn't matter obviously

Brian Atlasit doesn't I'm trying to give you so the reason I'm bringing up the like bisexual example is the way you might feel about like a guy who previously slept with men

Brian Atlasand like how it makes you feel that's the way men feel when it comes to uh female prise I don't think that represents every man though because there's plenty of men that know yeah there's all kinds of guys I'm talking in

Desireegeneral well anyway I honestly don't think in general guys care I really don't I think you have like a niched opinion and you have followers that follow your opinion but there's a whole other I'm prepared to say the majority

Benedettaof men care there's enough men there's enough men who don't care because they're desperate for [ __ ] no I think it's it's the contrary like the people

Benedettawith a little bit of insecurities they ask you how many guys blah blah blah blah blah blah why is it insecure it's insecure because they like oh no I going with with a slot I'm going with up blah blah blah if you like someone like yeah

Benedettaif you like somebody you should if you're mature enough like to know that you had alive before with some do you think um you uh if you had a man you'd want

Andrew Wilsonhim to be a mature man right yeah do you think that mature people set boundaries yeah and so do you and do you

Andrew Wilsonthink responsible people set boundaries yeah so if a responsible and mature man sets a boundary and the boundary is he doesn't want a woman who has more than x amount of sex partners

Andrew Wilsonhow could he be insecure of him well how could that be insecurity if that's what your expectation is is that he has

Desireeboundaries no I'm what a couple decades ago perspective to be honest yeah I mean I think to me I've had men ask ask me more like how many dads of my kids I

Brian Atlashave and things like that to me the modern man cares more about like what baggage do you have in your life that's going to affect me and the more men you've slept with the more baggage you

Desireehave necessarily because I mean you don't necessarily take baggage with you from every experience you have a lot of experiences are very positive it was fun it was be insecure though to set

Andrew Wilsonboundaries I never said that I wasn't saying that at all making the point that not every man well well how would that be insecure I don't you said it's

Benedettainse if if you don't want to like stay with someone I mean it's a standard I think I I don't feel like it's a standard yeah but wait hold on that's

Brian Atlasthat's what I think like I how is it not a standard I here's my standard I don't want to date a woman who's promiscuous or who has a promiscuous why promiscuous

Desireelike what is promiscuous promiscuous sleeps with a lot of people body for how she was maybe raised in a different culture than you how would she know not to sleep

Brian Atlaswith people I don't need to give anybody Grace women reject men all the time for lot a wide variety of reasons I'm just saying not every man is like stop stop stop you don't want to

Brian Atlasyou don't want to date a guy because of his height because of his money because of XYZ but all of a sudden what men say I don't want a date a woman because of this that's fair all of a sudden all oh

Brian Atlasit's insecure it's insecure it's controlling it's how how high is the body count like what what's not like I don't know tell tell me yours like no

Andrew Wilsontell me for you tell tell me yours tell me yours tell you mine tell me yours no what well wait tell me wait wait wait hang on are you wait wait a second wait

Andrew Wilsona second just resp why won't you tell us are you in are you insecure about your body count it's private I don't want to say that I thought body count doesn't matter though hang on it sounds like you're being

Benedettainsecure no why you're saying can you answer me like can you answer me answer me why aren't you being insecure right now it sounds like insecurity what's do I like do I like for you depends on the

Brian Atlasage right depends on the age but look I honestly once you start getting uh uh so is he like either than yours or

Brian Atlasis over so okay I would say over 10 okay is is getting high it's not necessarily a deal breaker okay but the strong preference for lower so I would

Brian Atlasprioritize trying to date a woman with a lower body count over 10 not necessarily a deal breaker over 20 that's like major red flag territory I would say uh over

Benedetta30 certainly a deal breaker but I mean over 20 okay probably deal breaker is it based on yours or is it based like in general what do you mean

Brian Atlaslike is it B based on your body count or is it no not at all okay in not at all okay fact I don't think I actually don't think there if if a man has a high body count I don't think there's actually

Brian Atlasanything wrong with him wanting a woman with a low body count or even a virgin even even if they have like a big body count even if the guy has a big body count no problem at all with him

Andrew Wilsonrealizing in like the contrary how I say like the theirse what do you mean yeah well well here I can yeah I can actually explain this concept to you right so um

Andrew Wilsondo you like men who are taller than you yeah okay do you think that men generally like women who are shorter than them yeah okay well well I don't understand why you accept that double

Andrew Wilsonstandard but but like it's not the same yeah that's right it's not the same so the question so the question so

Andrew Wilsonthe question BEC a girl doesn't yeah if a man if a man is tall and he prefers a short woman a woman is short and prefers a tall man right okay well I don't

Andrew Wilsonunderstand they have totally different preferences here but that's somehow okay but if a man has a large body count but prefers a woman with a a a lower body

Benedettacount why is that suddenly wrong no no I didn't say that it's wrong I didn't say it's wrong I said that I like there are people that don't care

Benedettapeople that care and I don't think it's that important for me I'm always talking for me so like yeah well I'm just saying I'm I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust saying if you if you ask Brian if you asked Brian um you seemed like you were skeptical you were like hey wait a second why is it okay for you hang on hang on why is it okay for you to have

Andrew Wilsonhave let like let's say Brian slept with 500 women right he hasn't but let's just say he had wait hold on okay okay well okay 6,000 women say

Benedettahad slept with 6,000 women thank you and he wanted a woman who had slept with no women thank you why why is that actually a problem no it's not problem but I

Benedettathink I think it's a little bit like uh in uh I don't know the word in English I'm sorry hypocrite yeah hypocrite like a double standard yeah because

Andrew Wilsonit's hypocritical for you to want to date a taller man no what then it's hypocritical for you to want to date someone taller than you no that's totally different well why is it

Benedettadifferent different why is different it's different come on you can say it's the same you can't say it's the same do come on but so so let me ask you this question right so uh in order for you to

Benedettawant to be with someone do you need to be exactly the same no but I'm saying if you sleep with 500 girls or whatever and

Benedettayou want the one that does yeah I think it's a to much yeah come on no I think it's totally fine I think it's totally fine totally fine well here's why right

Benedettayou and all the um Muslims or what's the guys that isn't there like a religion that they have all when you say like I treat you well I to treat me well speak

Benedettaif you wants like I I treat you well in in a Rel relationship so I want you to treat me well too so

Benedettalike you know that I don't know we say this thing like you do some you act like like you want to be treated is it do you

Benedettasay like that I mean I I think in this lines like in this phrase so but then it's up to you like you I get what you're saying yeah I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand what you're saying you're saying you should treat people how you want to be treated right yeah kind of the the Golden Rule right the the Golden

Andrew WilsonRule yeah but but here's the thing um would you agree with me that more women will allow themselves to be anally penetrated than men

Andrew Wilsonwhat what fck out of nowhere bro grant that that's true yeah I guess that's why right right so so here's the thing it's

Andrew Wilsoncrazy I where I'm going with this what what I'm trying to kind of get you to intersect with is if you were with a man who wanted to do that with you but did not want you to do that with him is he

Andrew Wilsonbeing a hypocrite but here we're finding like the only thing one I got some just answer me just answer me is he being a

Benedettahypoc right you're right on this you're right it's fine if someone me I the right

Brian Atlashere I got a couple I have a couple so okay do you think for example is a woman wrong if she's poor but she's attracted

Benedettato rich men is she wrong no but it should be like the same on the other side what do you mean like

Benedettaif a girl that's poor she's attracted from uh a a rich guy or a poor guy it's attracted to like a rich girl it's the

Brian Atlassame like could no I know maybe but is it wrong no it's not wrong but she does not possess the

Benedettatrait in which she Desires in a partner so she do you can like I think that you can do whatever you want like you can desire a girl that doesn't up with like

Benedettaa virgin wrong for man with high body count to want a virgin right that's what you're saying yeah it's like it's not it's not wrong it's uh hypocrite hpoc

Brian Atlashypocritical hoc hypocritical okay well you object to it's hypoc but so so to have the back and forth uh and so okay then it's

Benedettahypocritical for a poor woman to be attracted not to be to want like fact like to want to yes so then okay so but

Benedettait's not hypocritical for men who have 500 body counts to be attracted to virgin women yeah it is it's hypocritical to be attracted no to be attracted

Benedettano so we'll use the term want you are attracted to you can't change that right okay you can choose actually so do people

Benedettatypically want what they're attracted to no not always not always n no you you well I'll just use I'm just going to use maybe just me but I don't choose who

Benedettalike I got like the Click I don't know how to say so if I fell in love with someone it's not because he has everything I want I'm not to even use uh the term attracted then I'm going to use

Brian Atlasthe term want right so okay men who are have high body count they want a woman with a low body count or who are virgin so a woman who's poor wants at then if

Brian Atlasyou hold on just let me finish who wants a rich man is that wrong I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying that so it's it's hypocritic okay so

Brian Atlasit's hyp so then it's hypocritical for women who are poor to want to date rich men is it hypocritical if she wants to

Andrew Wilsonuh date only this kind of man yes I think so okay well I feel like Brian didn't didn't uh reveal his ultimate argument but I remember all of Brian's

Andrew Wilsonarguments and this one's a good one so I'm going to use it real quick and I just want to ask you a question mhm uh would you date a man ever in your life

Andrew Wilsonwho had been with two women at once yeah would you date a man in your life who had been with multiple

Andrew Wilsonmen no no what kind of [ __ ] hypocrite are you what kind of [ __ ] hypocrite you hypocrite unbelievable

Andrew Wilsonhypocrisy a second wait a second but why I don't want to date with someone that like what is HP wait wait doesn't hypocrite mean that you hold two

Andrew Wilsondifferent standards hang on hang on a hypocrite is you hold a standard for you right and or you hold a separate standard for yourself that you hold for other people

Benedettaso in this particular case yeah right if it's a same-sex relationship why is that okay for you but not for him no no no it is no no I I thought that you said like

Benedettatoday a guy guy that was with multiple guys yeah he's with multiple guys yeah no but because I'm straight and I want to date someone straight wait

Andrew Wilsonwait if he's with multiple if he's with multiple women why is that a problem or not not a problem because I want to date someone straight well wait he's still wait wait

Andrew Wilsonwait I don't understand would you ever engage in same seex activity with a guy what what would you ever engage in a

Andrew Wilsonthreesome with a guy where you were with another chick for a guy yeah but you would not accept that from a guy but wait you would not accept that from a guy

TTS/Donations$100 if you won't date a girl because she's fat it's body shaming yet woman have no problem calling a guy working on fries at McDonald's loser pure feminine

Andrew Wilsonchaos yeah thank you so so what I'm saying is just this if you would be willing to engage with a woman you would be but you're not willing to engage with

Andrew Wilsona man who's been with a man how are you how are you not hang on how are you not a hypocrite how is that not hypocritical are you talking about like a three uh

BenedettaTre Treon is it do you say that Tre yeah threesome a thre oh treason Tre Tre well whatever yeah I would accept it him to

Benedettabe with with a guy un stra you know what I mean so you would be with a man who's [ __ ] other men I would I think we're going all of

Andrew Wilsonthe no we're not going all over the place you would be with a man who's [ __ ] other men no no but would but if you [ __ ] other women would you expect

Benedettaa man to be with you no no no if it depends it depends on him like if he's fine with the thing have you been with

Andrew Wilsonwomen no oh okay uh like if it's fine with would you ever be with a woman hang on would you ever be with a woman no I'm just too straight in the whole world

Brian Atlaslike if you could pick any woman I'm sorry let's go we should we should let's go around the table what's everybody's body count starting with

DesireeDes I would say about like 8 to 10 guys you a [ __ ] liar

Desireethat well my dad no [ __ ] way bro my dad raised me to be a prostitute I was with a lot of people I was with about probably 20 people that

Brian Atlaswasn't necessarily my choice but it was like you're dad that was yeah my dad raised me your your non-accountability body count is

Desireeeight I would say 8 to 10 8 to 10 guys that was like authentically my choice yeah I was married for you're a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar and then I

Desireeremember I was that whole stint of religious after my childhood trauma haven't you had sex with like three men on your o yeah that's three men I was in a long-term relationship with one the math is not math in here hold on

Desireemultiply by three and that's the real number why isn't the math working do make sense like I was married for 10 years I was with the same guy for about 10 years before that I did a like a long

Desireestent of celibacy when I was super religious and I had kind of a super religious um well I lost my virginity very young with my dads okay you know Vivian what about you wait oh don't get

Brian Atlasyou got to stay for the segment stay for the segment ask stay for the segment no

Brian Atlasnoich ah you're good kich body count in

Brian AtlasItaliano Papa Italiano okay uh Vivian count five damn bro it was three last

Andrew Wilsontime that's the real number power power level increasing Brian power level increasing [ __ ]

Desireething all right what about you Jade two Jade what two multiply by three and that's the real number what is this what

Andrew Wilsonis this a gaming thing this this a VR okay well let me ask you ask you let me ask you Jade a quick follow up follow

Andrew Wilsonyeah let us assume for a second that it wasn't just to right okay if it wasn't if it wasn't would you tell us yeah you

Brian Atlaswouldn't lie no no no matter what you wouldn't right no okay all right okay I gave you my back

Benedettastory say that burn the death I don't even know where I am I arrived here in the United States since 3 days I don't even know like where is going this where I'm going like on body body count not

Brian Atlasgoing to say that give a how about a range will you do a range okay more than 10 more than 10 I say yeah more than 10 more than 20 no more than 15 I'm going

Benedettato say anything I'm not going to say more than 15 I'm not going to say anything I already I already decid enough

Andrew WilsonMorgan it's your turn hey uh Brian that scanner is going [ __ ] crazy bro that scanner is going

Cheyenne McGeecrazy Morgan I've said it oh is it x-ray vision is it one yeah um like I think 14

Desiree14 two what's yours go ahead Brian

Brian AtlasBri you want you want to make it one more my scouter is detecting that you some of you are not being forthcoming on the body count question why you guys always think we're lying and this

Andrew Wilsonscouter that [ __ ] like this is some [ __ ] science technology uh that is uh that is saying technology and uh they have some of the

Andrew Wilsonmost brilliant scientists in the world including kakarot's father is what I'm Bardock Bardock I

Brian Atlasremember Bardock he tried to fight Frieza didn't go so well save Planet Vegeta anyways uh look you know look uh I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to press it but I think some of you guys are not being uh you know totally uh honest oh really quick so okay I'll give you like a list of 10 examples where it's like women want things in men that they don't possess

Brian Atlasright they want traditional men but they're not traditional they want charismatic men yet they are not charismatic they want tall men but they're not tall they want chivalry but they're not chivalrous they want exciting men but they're not

Brian Atlasexciting they want strong men but they're not strong hold on hold on they want dominant men but they're not dominant they want men to take initiative but they don't take initiative they want men to chase them but they don't chase they want men to ask them on dates and pay for them but

Brian Atlasthey don't do the same they want confident men but they're not confident themselves many shy women want men who are not shy single mothers who don't want to date single fathers uh it seems

Brian Atlaslike women want to ignore hold on it seems like women want to ignore all the double standards and unfairness that benefit them but when there's a double standard or or unfairness that benefits

Brian Atlasmen really only a very small percentage of men uh because most men don't have access to hookup culture uh it's just kind of so interesting what kind of man

Benedettado you oh funny women want this is the best one wait who are you describing who are you describing who am I describing who I don't know I like that do you want a guy

Brian Atlaswho's funny you want a funny guy I'm so funny I'd say you are funny I think a lot of women I want a guy that like you talking to me for example something that you you think I'm

Benedettafunny like something that you read like what I read um I want a guy that take the like take me out take the initiative

Benedettayeah I am a girl that does all this stuff so like I don't want I don't try to find look okay well then well then

Andrew Wilsonhere we can make it even more nuanced right uh do you like men with beards no [ __ ] okay do you like men with long nails bro wait what wait what bro why do

Andrew Wilsonyou like men with long nails damn bro well like throw me under the bus yeah do you like men with long

Benedettanails no no well but you have long nails a come on well don't you're putting in you're you're coming up with something

Andrew Wilsonthat doesn't what I'm saying to you is that the the the idea here is I have a beard that the endless amount of double standards goes on and on and on and on and I think that it's fine I think that

Andrew Wilsonit's fine that women have can say that I think I think it's fine for women to have different standards than men I think that's totally fine but when women say there's a double standard and then

Benedettapretend like there's not two different standards that's when I have a problem no of course of course there are like different things that people like a guy

Benedettalike a man wants different things from a from a woman and right but including

Benedettacount that's including body count right yes but like uh I don't think that like I would never pretend something from the other person that I don't do

Andrew Wilsontalking about don't you want the Nam come on the long names it's a listen that is not true that is not true do you wear

Benedettamakeup that's just appearance I'm talking about we to you act you wear makeup yeah do you want a man who wears makeup no so okay do you have long hair

Andrew Wilsondo you want a man wants long hair you have breast do you want a man who has breast like it just goes on and on and on and on So when you say I don't expect

Benedettathat a man for me would ever have to do a thing that I don't do that's to everything that I do I mean I I'm talking about the way like you are in

Benedettathe relationship I'm not talking about the appearance I'm not talking about like stupid stuff I'm not that superficial like I'm talking about if

Benedettabecause he read a lot of things like I'm the charismatic the whatever it was I'm talking about these things I'm not talking about the nail polish I'm not talking about the

Andrew Wilsonmakeup so that was my point so you expect the man point if you're if you're coming out with your point you're right so so if you do you expect the man to

Andrew Wilsonhave children in the relationship I'm not going to answer I'm sorry yeah that I mean that's not the like they can't do that right yeah that's the thing yeah they they can't do

Andrew Wilsonthat so the thing is like you wouldn't have that expectation right yeah so within the relationship itself there's going to be different standards just based on that

Andrew Wilsonright yeah I'm going to B based on the nature I guess yeah just based on the nature there's going to be different standards just based on the nature so even the idea things even the idea of

Benedettaexpectation when it comes to the relationship standard is going to be different like no matter what it's be different that's true that's true I it could be that I want something from you that you don't want from for me so it's totally

Benedettafine I'm talking about me what I want like what I I'm trying to find okay so so um I just want to make

Andrew Wilsonsure from from your view inside of the relationship absent any sort of like um physical Necessities like having children or you're a woman he's a man

Benedettainside of the actual relationship you don't want there to be anything that's unequally yolked you'll never expect a man to work if you work I think that there is always like even a balance so if I if I put something in the

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