INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Brian Atlashave the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead I'm the infamous desire Noel doomsday Des doomsday desire

Desireeoh yeah that's me I'm basically the 38-year-old version of your conspiracy theory Stoner friend but like mom version

Desireeso anyway I have a lot of interest these days so stay-at-home mom of three homeschooling this year okay and so I do only fans to make

Desireemy money I am actually Brian you word on the street is you have made me into the number one POG mil on only fans globally

Desireeso for those of you who don't know the street terms that is a fat ass white girl mil is Mom I'd like to fornicate

Brian Atlaswith so I'm the number one natural in the natural category no BBL so it's kind of cool can we not do the the the hand gesturing it's kind of getting into my

Brian Atlasframe on the cam I sorry I I like to keep my frame clear but uh okay that's cool I guess um and I wrote a couple books they're on

DesireeAmazon all right what about you um I'm Vivien I turned 18 last month um I'm

Desireefrom sancisco originally uh I just live in the bay and my occupation is well I don't I'm unemployed unfortunately I'm

Brian Atlaslooking for a job but are you a neat do you know what that it is neat NE no I don't know what that means so it stands for not in employment education

Desireeor training yes that's so you're not in school not I'm like taking a gap year before I go to college I'm taking a gap year before I go to college so I'm not

Brian Atlasin school yet but probably next year okay and uh we tried to get your mom to come on the show with you for the first mother daughter whatever but it didn't

Jade Martinwork didn't work but uh uh okay cool uh what about you my name is Jade Martin I am 24 I'm from California and I'm a

Brian Atlastwitch streamer all right um from California okay and politically incorrect on Twitter so politically incorrect on Twitter and you said you're a twitch

Brian Atlasstreamer do you uh stream video games or just chatting yeah what's your go-to video game on that right now Elden ring usually Apex

Brian AtlasLegends what's that new one with the monkey monkey the monkey one that's kind of like Elden ring it's uh Wukong Wukong

Brian Atlashave you been playing that no okay uh and you are a d transitioner is that correct yes okay and so you're born female yes and then I took testosterone

Brian Atlasand then back to female even though I was born female but yeah and uh at what age

Jade Martindid you uh start the transition M it was a few days after my 18th birthday so

Jade Martin18 I guess but mhm I was prescribed it as a minor did you oh did you take it when you were a minor any of the drugs or whatever around my 18th birthday I mean

Jade Martinif you consider 3 days of being 18 years old and adult then I guess an adult okay um

Brian Atlasand when did you stop um when I was 20 so so about two years yeah two and a half years 3ish three-ish three-ish years okay um and was it were

Brian Atlasyou just taking the hormones or was there just the hormones no surgeries no surgeries or anything like that okay all right and um well I'm sure we can we'll get into some of more of that stuff a

Benedettalittle later on in the show but uh what about you I'm beneda I'm From Italy I'm 23 and I graduated in mechanical engineering in Italy and then I decided

Benedettato come here for um a master program so I'm going to attend a master program in in mechanical engineering no in management of Technology actually so I

Benedettachanged a little bit and I took this six months to travel around Asia and Spain the past six months yeah when and so you just got here to Santa Barbara like

Benedettathree days three days ago okay and you said you're a master's student okay got it and you're going to be here for how long um I right now one year but I hope

Benedettato continue staying here so maybe I'm going to find like a job orim something at minimum one year though okay all right what about you hi

Desireemy name is l i Am 18 I just moved here from the East Coast I'm a student full-time what are you studying psychology psychology going into your

Brian Atlasfreshman year yes freshman year at UCSB sbcc oh sbcc okay gotcha uh and you said the East Coast so like New York New Jersey I'm from Maine Maine yeah wow wow

Brian Atlaswait hold on I have something for this wait hold on yes crab T and football that's what Maryland does oh Maryland I got wrong I I mixed up the the main the

Brian AtlasMaryland A for effort A for effort definitely I've been waiting like a year to press that button I'm waiting for a girl from Maryland to come on the show

Desireedisappointed very disappointed main so that's that's new New England yes okay all right cool do you know like where on a map it is could you say I could point

Brian Atlasyou could point it I could to tippy top one it's a tippy top this the ti just the tip just just the tip just the tip just for a second traveled all the way from just the tip button I don't know

Brian Atlascan a long journey just a tip just for a second just to see how it feels it was a little delayed but I got it okay um what about you um my name is Cheyenne McGee

Cheyenne McGeeI'm 27 I'm a full-time student at UCSB okay um I'm a Premed student so I'm studying biopsychology uh I'm also full-time mom

Cheyenne McGeeas well I don't really have an occupation oh wait uh and what are you studying that you an occupation yes it is several get it girl

Brian Atlasum I'm studying biopsychology oh bioy okay and how old's your daughter six I have two girls um six and eight six and

Brian Atlaseight okay and and uh how long ago did you have them like six years

Rebeccastupid that took me a minute I was like oh yeah what I'm like all right what about you hi my name is Rebecca I'm 41 I'm from conquered in California up in the Bay area and I'm a full-time mom a

Rebeccafull-time office manager at a construction company and what was the other one I think that's it right yeah I think that location age occupation yeah we

Andrew Wilsonyeah oh sorry she doesn't speak English my bad all right so uh Andrew what about you my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it is to my knowledge fastest growing debate Channel

Brian Atlason YouTube I'm a political analyst political saturnist and I occasionally enjoy uh debating all right welcome everybody so we're going to go around the table once more what is everybody's

Brian Atlascurrent relationship status so so are you single talking stage situationship relationship Friends with Benefits married polyu sex C terum whatever it may be if you're single how long have

Desireeyou been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead so I'm in a situationship I would say with you Brian because I Brian's

Desireelike my imaginary boyfriend now going to have to I'm his imaginary again over this I just use him as a uh a therapist type of friend in the influencer world that can maybe

Desireeunderstand the insanity of becoming like famous but nobody told us that that was what was going to happen erroneous erroneous okay okay so that was that one yeah we're and then

Desireeokay since I've been in a real relationship like where the person actually came to visit me and stuff that would be

Desireesince about a year ago and then my long longest relationship was about 10 years with my kid's dad one eternity later that was very

Desireethorough thank you Desiree what about you uh single longest relationship was like 4 five months

Brian Atlasum yeah erroneous wait oh what the erroneous that wait so did not mean for that to go off there also just point of clarification uh me and desire are not dating just want to make that clear it's

Desireean imaginary thinged it's like you're like my Drop Dead Fred you know what is that remember that movie Drop Dead Fred righten seen and it's like this little character that's imaginary that comes and like

Desiree[ __ ] her whole life up but she has like a scapegoat to blame it on that's you for me I'm the scapegoat yes so every time people ask me like why I've been going off the rails I'm like well it's

Brian AtlasBrian's fault it works okay but I do take accountability in any case I still got to clean up the mess that you made by the way I just want to let you know don't take it personally you send me

Brian Atlaslike a wall of hold on hold on you send me walls of like wall walls of text I really de DMS and I just want to let you know you never read them I don't read

Desireethem I I know you don't I'm too busy I know but I have this addiction to seeing the scene like it just get the scene at least I give you the scene and then I get the hit and I I have like that anxious avoidant attachment from like

Desireeextreme trial to dramaa so it's like I need a little intimacy but if you give me too much I'm going to freak out so I just need to see it scene and then we're good I didn't need you to actually know all that about me I give you the scene I

Desireegive you the scene and I appreciate that and once in a while a little heart that's the little breadcrumb you know how we were starved of attention and then they give us a little breadcrumb and I'm like oh maybe we are really

Desireefriends oh my God and then it'll be like 14 days later before I get another heart you know I'm like oh my God it's a breadcrumb see and then I keep in the

Desireedelusion so I mean part of you feeds it but it is conscious I'll say that it's conscious uh so you were you said you've

Desireebeen single for how long again oh well uh like probably like since the beginning of summer so like well actually a little before that so like four or five months yeah and you

Brian Atlaswere on was it 3 weeks ago a month ago about yeah any Prospect any dates anything like that yeah but you been what do you mean yeah like yes

Desireedat elaborate dates how First Dates yeah how many two two different guys I'm assuming

Desireeyeah how'd those go uh honestly well I mean like but like it's slow since it's been slow since

Brian Atlasthen so like have you well have you seen any of them second times

Desireeno it went well they don't well like the actual date itself was like I was like fine was like good um like we enjoyed

Desireeeach other's company like both times we got along but like not really like successful in like a dating yeah not successful really in a

Brian Atlasdating sense so the dates went well but I mean how long ago how long ago were the dates

Brian Atlaslike last week I went on two last week okay yeah have you scheduled no have

Desireethey scheduled no did you ask for the dates or did they um one of them was like Mutual actually

DesireeI would say like Mutual both ways or Me Maybe are you well are you intending to see them again I'm not sure didn't you

Desireesay the dates went well yeah but also like I'm I also just like might not want to like date

Desireeanyone why is that because I feel kind of like incompatible with men not in

Desireelike a sexuality way but like I just feel like I've never really had a like we really understand each other type

Brian Atlassituation wait are you if your orientation is by is that correct yeah okay so you date women too then no I've never dated a woman I've just had some

Desireelike fleeting attra attraction or I've had like I was in boarding school which was all girls so like it was kind of like prison where it's like prison it's

Desireekind of like prison where it's like uh gay for the stay what that's what they say I like it yeah like everyone everyone who goes to like boarding

Desireeschool for like a year is like gay for this day there's like very few people very few girls who don't like kind of date other girls when they're in

Desireeboarding school because you have no access to boys okay is the Phantom dick thing real

DesireeI no what that is no idea what that is um I've just heard it from some like lesbians or bisexual girls like when they're it's almost like energetically their energy builds up like this Phantom

Desireedick when they're fooling around with each other I was just curious if that was a real thing or not cuz I could see that from just different experiences I've had um I wouldn't say I have like a haunting presence of like probably

Desireeshouldn't be asking well no I just mean like almost like it feels like there's something inside of you I mean in that area that a dick would be I think that's just like being turned on

Desireeokay but I say it's like but that's what I mean that's what I mean it's like the turn on That's So Strong it's almost tangible like there's a lot of Sexual Energy built up you know what I'm saying I I do actually so wait are you saying

Desireeyou like ran through chicks at boarding school no I just had one experience because like we were all honest close so like how many like you just ran through a bunch or no one like you were like you

Brian Atlashad RZ there's no way there's no way there was just one like you have mad RZ like if I was a lesbian I'd be crawling with you crush it going to say that you would crush it yeah I don't know these

Desireewords yeah it's certainly an option for me but so it was what did you call it it was uh gay for the stay Brian you've never done a stint in the pin you couldn't understand okay

Desireeyou've had a very privileged life so um a lot of people know what that would mean like we usually go most girls go back to dating guys after or they're just by okay but so you did have that

Desireeone exper how long did you date that girl no I well I didn't date her oh it was like a singular well we were all just like really close friends so it was kind of like there's a lot of

Desireeintermingling um yeah you could you could say that or what no I'm telling to speak thought you like I thought you were like signaling like I was like wait I thought it was this what is it with

Brian Atlasgirls would it be this no no okay we get it desire thank you extra all right that's lesbian sex ed

Brian Atlasthank you desire that was fantastic um so you went on two dates the dates went well but I think you said you don't feel

Desireelike you had things in common with them oh definitely I just I just like fail to understand

Desireemen I mean isn't that just the nature of the relationship between men and women I feel like I could under like I just need to like really honestly I just really

Desireeneed to like stay with someone for a long enough time and like really actually try to get to know them it's kind of my fault so have they hit you up and been like hey do you want to hang

Desireeout again no we just like talk like oh you guys are still talking I mean like in frequently it's like like

Desireeonce every couple days kind of talking did you hook up with either of them both of them yes I was also I'm going to be honest I

Desireewas also I'm disappointed in you kind of viian he's a dad to you right now he's being a dad go ahead kind of what I was also kind of

Desireeum under the influence of meth no math I don't think you're really like didn't you say you went to boarding

Brian Atlasschool because of all the math you did sorry sorry it was cocaine that was Lucy that was not that was Lucy who was doing the cocaine yes that's right how

Desireecould I forget uh okay so you were doing what um well a mix things I would rather not

Desireesay but a mix of things am nitrate Ryan didn't go through a party phase so he doesn't understand what people do

Desireeonce in a while to let loose I mean well it was different psychedelics along with um let's just say it was mushrooms hypothetically there you go

Desireewell that was that was like 2 weeks earlier and then there was just a lot going on and I just like it was very impulsive both times and I do uh it it

Desireewas kind of a Poe decision because I don't feel like I was really looking for a relationship mhm or at my best self at the

Desireetime of doing that so it was kind of like an irresponsible not super serious but but I do like I I

Desireeenjoyed my time with both people like we we kind of called that raving or like Woodstock in previous generations but you just did it like

Desireeprivately basically like that's like Rave culture like you go and you know you're going to do some stupid substances and do some stupid [ __ ] but you're like consenting wait question you

Brian Atlassaid both of these two dates were last week yeah what was the time period between the two um like a few days so like one on a Wednesday one on a

Brian AtlasFriday yeah what were the actual days yeah it was like 2 Days in between it was two days in between a 3-day weekend 3-day weekend I was going to say oh man

Brian Atlasokay um no that's cool good good for you yeah I it's it's like not no I mean h yeah it was an experience like we can we can fix her uh just kidding just kidding

DesireeI think you should lump those into like one experience almost it was like a one 3-day weekend like Extravaganza live and learn wasn't maybe your best look you had an experience lesson learn I really

Desireeyeah I it was kind of like an itch to scratch because I don't do that typically exactly a 3day party weekend once in a while anyways uh what about

Jade Martinyou I am single I've only been in one relationship and that was about 2 years mhm and I've been single for two years

Brian Atlassingle for two years so I'm assuming that's the one that ended yeah two years ago the two-year one okay uh any I'm assuming any dating in between two

Jade Martindifferent people how long were those um my first date because my ex didn't take me out on dates so my first date ever was two years ago and I just went on a

Jade Martindate a week ago okay have you was it just a first date the first one was two dates the one a week ago was one how's how did that

Jade Martinone go I loved it um but uh I'm keeping that one private well is

Jade Martinthere going to be a second date I hope so um the first date the guy from two years ago didn't go

Brian Atlaswell but the most recent one do you think there'll be a second date I don't know how long you said it was a week ago

Benedettayeah okay all right what about you so my ex-boyfriend and I just broke up like one week ago okay kind of and we've been

Benedettato no my longest relationship was almost 2 years uh 3 years ago or four years ago I don't remember like

Benedettaand that's it I not looking for any like I'm looking for fun like something easy but like not not like 10 people together

Benedettajust one that good go and come comes like with me and I decide like I decide what to do like everything and he just

Benedettafollows wait he just follows yeah follows me that's my like right now is that what you have or is it what you're looking for yeah okay like something easy and without problems without

Brian Atlasanything just and you said you got here 3 days ago yeah have you been out like partying or anything like that or no yeah do you party at all yeah I do okay uh and you said you broke up a week AG

Benedettaor what 3 weeks ago no uh we ago 10 days ago 10 days ago yeah how long were you dating that guy um one year and two months like something like that I I

Benedettaactually lived with him for four months and did you guys break up because you were moving here yeah and he couldn't like uh keep up with this thing like he

Benedettawasn't fine with the long distance relationship and um even because there are like there

Brian Atlasis a gap of nine hours so not easy uh okay and was it a mutual breakup did he break up with you did you break

Benedettaup with him he was the like he he broke up with me okay and he was um older than

Benedettame a lot older so like how old was he he was he is he is 40 and 23 so like okay we can maybe that'd be interesting to

Brian Atlastalk about like age Gap relationships a bit later so that's a like 17 year age Gap and but you guys were dating for a

Brian Atlasyear and a half so did you meet him at 21 no uh or 222 and he was 38 399 39 39 okay all right so uh yeah we'll talk about age Gap relationships later on the

Brian Atlasshow that's interesting have you uh always dated older guys typically or not that old like yeah well you said your longest relationship was 2 years how old

Benedettawas or what was the age Gap there uh 3 years oh just 3 years okay yeah no never like that no not that Gap like that was

Brian Atlasthe first time with the that old guy okay I see all right okay uh and uh one quick question so have you been to the

BenedettaUnited States before yeah I I've been here in high school to for 6 months and then I came here like four times to

Benedettavisit just like okay and you said weren't you just traveling you said you were like in Asia right yeah how long were you traveling I went for one month

Benedettaand a half in Asia I went to um Thailand Singapore Thailand Singapore Singapore

Benedettayeah um Japan Japan and uh Bali Bali I went to tarfa it's like a small town in

BenedettaSpain to do kite surf like to stay there and that's where where Tarifa it's like a small town in

BenedettaSpain oh okay it's the name Tara it's a name okay of a place yeah and and there is where my ex-boyfriend lived so I I

Brian Atlaswent there to stay with him he's Spanish no he's Argentinian oh Argentinian yeah but he lives there right okay and so were you traveling with your boyfriend

Benedettano no I went to Asia by myself and with a friend and then I went toale friend yeah okay and then I went to his house and we stayed together for four months in his

Brian Atlashouse okay got it uh but you were still in a relationship when you were traveling yeah okay all right okay uh and you said you're looking for it

Benedettasounds like essentially a monogamous Friends with Benefits kind of is that yeah okay yeah or yeah or whatever I I don't I didn't figure it out like sure I

Brian Atlasdon't have any plans all right well welcome to uh welcome to the US maybe we'll also get into uh dating like American men

Brian Atlasversus uh European maybe even versus have you dated any like I well you didn't date anyone in Asia right no okay I did just European uh well an

DesireeArgentinian and an American when I was here okay we'll get into that later what about you okay so I have like kind of a similar not the age Gap but um I just got of a Rel relationship it was my

Desireefirst and it was like kind of mainly for the distance I mean long distance is like daunting but mhm yeah so you're single now yeah I'm single now as of when as of like two months ago like we

Brian Atlaswere still I mean but still what hanging out as of until I left for oh so you hung out like a week ago or got here two weeks ago or two and a half weeks ago so okay so you guys hung out like right

Brian Atlasbefore you left yeah like at the airport like goodby he dropped you off how long were you dating him for we were dating for 10 months 10 months and you said not an age Gap though right you said no same age okay that was only different it was

Brian Atlasjust that you broke up because of the distance and cuz you're from the East Coast so this was in main I'm assuming okay uh okay so 10 months you guys you

Desireebroke up but you continued hanging out um so was it like non- monogamous or yeah I mean like I stayed loyal to him during the time that we hung out and

Brian Atlaslike for what I know he did too okay it was just a lot of like the pressure around leaving anticipation of leaving you're like okay yeah um now who kind of

Desireewanted cuz you could have done long distance right so were you wanting long distance was he did who did somebody specifically end it or we like I don't know getting into the relationship I

Desireealready knew I was coming out here for school and like talking about long distance like there's always just I don't know I had never been like thinking it was something I would do just like not see each other for months

Desireebut now that we're broken up I've definitely changed my mind about it and I don't know how he feels about that but

Desireeyeah it's like I don't know mhm interesting yeah but so you initiated it we both had like similar feelings about

Cheyenne McGeelike not wanting to do long distance okay but yeah all right and then what about you um I guess I'm in a situationship with my ex we broke up a

Cheyenne McGeeyear ago but we still fool around um here and there and um my longest relationship was with my sperm donor uh 8 years so wait

Cheyenne McGeesperm I don't think he deserved the title of father but maybe child I like it I'm starting to go with that one too for some of these guys you're in a situationship with a guy how long have

Cheyenne McGeeyou been seeing this person I've been seeing him for maybe two years now um we actually lived together before I moved out here uh we broke up in November but

Brian Atlaslike I said we still mess around okay and there was the sperm donor yes who you were seeing for how long that was my longest relationship 8 years eight years

Cheyenne McGeeokay why why do you call him a a sperm donor cuz he does not deserve the title to be my children's father my baby daddy nothing of that nature that is a sperm

Cheyenne McGeedonor and and that is it um does he pay child support no is he in the children's life yeah definitely yes he's in their life I mean I guess I don't know yes and

Cheyenne McGeeno he's there but he's not there if that makes sense huh like how often does he see the kids all the time definitely but it's just because like say when they go with their grandmother um he's in the

Brian Atlasback house while they're in the front house so you know and he doesn't so it's more like they're going to visit with the family his family do you guys have a a custody Arrangement

Cheyenne McGeelike through the court yes I'm actually going through a custody battle now so okay and um who brought it to the court

Brian Atlashim or you me you okay and so are you seeking full custody yes soul soul custody okay is there a difference between full custody and I think it's the same Soul it's probably the same

Desireeyeah and then there's something that's called custodial parent I'm like I don't I keep forgetting to look that up cuz I'm like the parent I don't know if that means they live with us more than the other parent I know primary and I don't

Brian Atlasknow it's confusing yeah there's so many terms what um and what's the nature of the relationship between the two of you I mean you you guys were together for eight years was the relationship uh

Cheyenne McGeeacrimonious or contentious it's very batile like we were close close friends we were best friends actually for like a year or two um before we finally hooked up even to this day we could be we could talk to

Cheyenne McGeeeach other like we're perfectly cool and friends and all that and doesn't look like there's beef and then the next second boom we're arguing at each other's necks mhm um yeah I don't know if they mentioned but um crazy thing is like we went to

Brian Atlasjail over argu over an argument behind Game of Thrones really well I'm all of a sudden very intrigued by this where were you guys when I was married we would have

Brian Atlasbeen like the neighbors like okay it's not about you dese all right so uh back to this so what was the argument um we were arguing

Cheyenne McGeeabout um Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cy Lannister yeah and I was just saying that is so wrong incest and blah blah blah and then it's like twins

Cheyenne McGeeand all that but and he's like no it doesn't matter love is love and I was I was like sounds like he has some unresolved family trauma there yeah you said in your pre-show

Cheyenne McGeenotes went to jail over an argument about you both went to jail yes the thing that makes me so upset and this is why I'll never call the police even if I get stabbed and I'm dying on the street I call the police and I ended up going

Cheyenne McGeeto jail as well with him you called the police yes were was he all [ __ ] up no we had just woken up we literally just woke up in the morning we put on the

Cheyenne McGeeshow um we started watching it yeah and then yeah by 11: like 11: a.m. 12 or noon like we were fighting each other up and down the hallways like Webster calls

Cheyenne McGeethis a toxic relationship it was very very very toxic and codependent so it was just about how long ago was

Brian Atlasthis like was this before Game of Thrones ended yes way before it was way before you guys were together for eight years wait so how soon into the relationship did this [ __ ] the fight go

Brian Atlasdown this is like a year later into the Rel relationship so one year in damn one year in you guys are already like squabbling about Game of Thrones I mean look Game of Thrones I'm a fan of Game of Thrones very sensitive subject for me

Brian Atlasyou know I can understand why someone would get heated over this topic um so it was probably like season do you know what season it was um no what year was this what year was it I know what season

Cheyenne McGeeit'll be it's like the first episode it's when the kid gets pushed out the tower yeah yeah how dare you spoil the first episode sorry I'm sorry years

Cheyenne McGeespoilers spoilers no it's fine uh so what year do you know what year was oh want to say

Brian Atlas2016 or 17 2016 or 17 okay so it was one of the earlier Seasons I know that yeah damn so he was arguing incest fine yeah

Brian Atlaslove is love and all that love is love that's what that was his argument it doesn't and I was just like uh no there that's a crazy thing to have like heated argument about I mean but the thing is

Brian Atlaslike what do you have you seen House of uh House of the Dragon no I haven't you haven't been keeping up no I have so I mean there is an argument to me made in the Game of Thrones Universe in The Song of Ice and Fire Universe at least for

Brian Atlastargaryens they get a pass when it comes to the incest because they got to keep the bloodline pure

Brian Atlasright Cersei and jimie being Lannisters and not being Dragon Riders and you know the the dragons have been dead for a very long time there's not really a

Brian Atlascompelling argument to be made for incest in the age of you know the When the Game of Thrones was happening House of the Dragon that's a different discussion there's still dragons there's

Brian AtlasDragon Riders you got to keep the blood pure for the targaryens I think you were in the right in the argument I believe so well I have to back you on this one Andrew do you have thoughts on this

Andrew Wilsonconver on the where's the Inc no I'm I don't know anything about Game of Thrones man oh okay all right so so uh that is a crazy that's pretty crazy though yeah that's

Brian Atlaspretty crazy and they like try to murder the kid over to keep their incest private so I know well there's other concerns but anyways um okay and then you said you said he's

Cheyenne McGeealso gay I think he is or he's by maybe um I don't know I think he is an asexual bisexual or maybe he's just gay for pay

Cheyenne McGeeI'm not sure gay gay for pay yeah cuz there's there's few moments where I kind of caught him like um you know

Cheyenne McGeeoh sorry there's a few moments where I kind of caught him um I guess trying to like I don't know what to say escort himself or something like that solicit yes there you go solicit or and then I

Cheyenne McGeeheard rumors as well from the streets cuz um we're both from aladina and um so everybody it's kind of a small city so we kind of know each other everybody kind of knows everyone and yeah there's also times

Cheyenne McGeewhere he's also asked me to excuse the room because he I guess he also does it on his Oculus in the VR chat rooms and stuff um so yeah damn I guess once we broke up he just went all out full Balls

Cheyenne McGeeto the walls wait you said he was asexual that's what he claims to be that's what he says he is um he's asexual he doesn't really like people touching him he doesn't he doesn't like

Cheyenne McGeephysical contact like it's kind of sad but yeah he's he has his own demons and issues and so you caught him trying to

Cheyenne McGeeprostitute and tricking men into thinking he's a woman yes cuz he does play that he has a really light voice does he look like a woman I don't think he does but he does he is he does

Cheyenne McGeeswitch and he's kind of and a lot of people do mistake him as a woman because he has a light voice a really light voice yeah huh but I mean he got you pregnant twice

Cheyenne McGeeso I mean you guys were having some sex no throughout the relationship yes but I was always the um a nine times out of 10

RebeccaI was the initiator oh so H damn that's tough okay uh what about you uh current relationship status I would call it a

Brian Atlassituationship and a longest relationship 20 years currently and you have uh children is that correct yes two so you're currently in the situationship you said your longest is how long 20 years 20

Brian Atlasyears I'm the children are from the 20-year relationship yes okay situationship is stepfather father oh the wait 20- year relationship is the

Rebeccasituation is the situ okay were you guys ever married yes are you that would be the situationship currently so you're married are you

Brian Atlasgetting a divorce or I'm not going to say any more about that part oh okay um it is a situationship though uh

Rebeccaso are you dating other people or uh it's open oh you're in an open marriage relationship yeah it's it's that's why I

Brian Atlascomplicated we that's why a situationship it's not going to be elaborated on who wanted to open it up you or him both both all

Brian Atlasright uh Arch Duke France Ferdinand you can introduce yourself it's you know if you want to I'm Ana

Brian Atlashave a boyfriend okay good good good good there you go that's Ana she's joining the team guys so uh W's in the chat for Ana we

Brian Atlasneed wia's in the chat wanisa is in the chat W Ana okay uh cool so Andrew what about you how you doing still married

Andrew Wilsonstill married are we going to get a Rachel Cameo Andrew don't know yet to see she's out she's about doing stuff at the moment okay we got to get into Rachel Cameo uh desire if you can scoot

Andrew Wilsonto the table just a time so um I'm not sure if not sure if Desiree deserves to be graced with the presence of one such as Rachel to be honest with you

Brian Atlasdefinitely not so let's see here um where do I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes here and uh let's

Brian Atlassee uh Vivan why don't we start with Vivian pre- show notes uh you said dating topics I I have to go to the bathroom I'm oh my God I'm sorry okay because I

Brian Atlasdon't want to start a long conversation I'm going to have to okay sounds good have fun good luck good luck in there all right just got to go to the bathroom uh let me read some chats though while

Brian Atlasuh while we do that we had whatever fan Miss Italy just needs to forget about it what she doesn't even speak English so

Brian Atlasshe's not Italian American so she's not going to those like Italian yeah she's Italian Italian so forget about it is like an Italian American kind of oh kind

Desireeof thing kind of it just means like get out there have fun you'll be fine oh yeah that's for sure right yeah there's other fish in the sea type thing

Brian Atlasoh okay uh whatever fan than for the message really appreciate it let's see here why we do uh why don't we get into some of your stuff uh so Jade uh you

Brian Atlassaid you have a crazy story of dating a criminal SL abuser but your

Brian Atlasdates you're what slash bisexual SL bisexual okay uh but your dates so far have been

Brian Atlasrespectful uh the most recent one yes wait so wait was this the guy who you were dating for two years the most

Brian AtlasRecon no who's the criminal abuser the two-y year guy my ex-boyfriend the only boyfriend I've had yeah so the guy you did for two years yeah okay and I had a two years ago yeah okay what kind of

Jade Martinwhat kind of crime like I can't say the word on YouTube apparently um it was a

Jade Martinuh it was a violent crime No Sa say involving not adults okay that's a

Brian Atlasyikes that's a yikes okay uh let's see you said you have a bizarre dating story you dated the bisexual hom homeless man who ended up being a criminal and you living a double life with another woman

Brian Atlasyes he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail yes so we won't talk about the jail part but we will we can talk about how did he end up owing you

Jade Martin$15,000 um so I met him when he was somewhat homeless so he was a truck driver that

Jade Martinlived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money and you know I was young it was my

Jade Martinfirst boyfriend and that kind of ties into the whole D transition thing like I've never had a boy before I didn't know how dating worked or

Jade Martinboyfriends so I was just naive and vulnerable and I just didn't know how it worked so I believed him whenever he needed money

Jade MartinI would give him money and he ended up switching jobs so he moved to a different state and in

Jade Martinthat state he somehow got a girlfriend within two weeks and moved in with her and was living a double life with her for several months without me

Andrew Wilsonknowing word um but I'm just I'm just curious though if I can if I can kind of uh follow up here why is it that you think

Jade Martinhe owes you money though um because he would lie to me about where the money was going um he had money when he switch jobs so the

Jade Martingirlfriend that he had was providing him money for everything and he would tell me I'm on the streets I'm going to be on the

Andrew Wilsonstreets give me money but really it was going to the girlfriend and even a car so did he I mean did he ever say that he

Andrew Wilsonwas going to pay you this money back was that like an agreement yes okay

Jade Martinso he would spend the money first boyfriend ever you were giving him money he would spend it on another woman yes it's a cold world we live he would

Jade Martinuh travel with her cold world we live take her on dates I never got a date damn that's that's kind of that's crazy yeah so he's using you wait was

Brian Atlasthis during wait this was were you like had you detransitioned at this point when I met him I detransitioned so

Jade Martinmhm like well I mean how soon um about a month after meeting him okay so when you guys started the

Jade Martinrelationship were you were you acting as though it was a same-sex relationship I mean yeah but that's delusional it was

Andrew Wilsonnot a samesex relation well I'm not I'm not because this is this is really hard to phrase right um but I I think you you know you understand what I'm talking

Andrew Wilsonabout I understand did you were you guys acting as though it was though um he wasn't he he would just he wasn't no he would just treat me like a

Andrew Wilsonwoman okay yeah gotcha I was going to say because I I mean the story you told sounds like some [ __ ] that men go through all the time right not usually women yeah yeah it's

Desireelike a well it's it's actually getting really common the same thing happened to me essentially it's like these con Des not it's not your turn Desiree let's say let us let us finish our conversation

Andrew Wilsonwith her Desiree so anyway by the way that's 10 Desiree that's 10 but anyway so uh I was just curious if we could follow up um does this guy have any

Jade Martinintention of paying you back or I don't know he's in prison oh before he went did he have any intention of paying you back um

Jade Martinapparently he was trying to well his girlfriend was oh but um I don't care anymore I it

Jade Martinwasn't about the money I just genuinely loved him and I would have done that for anybody that I loved if they were in that situation it's just the disrespect

Jade Martinand the lying and obviously giving my money to another woman and it's not about the money no got it no I I think anybody

Desireewould feel like they were made to be a fool if if you were giving them cash and they were you know had like a secret double life right yeah were we going to ask you when you

Desireeleft about your dating do you want what about your dating weren't we going to ask you a question I don't oh it was I think he was going to read the notes about her and then just start the conversation okay well do you want to

Desireetalk about it um oh well I had like sorry um I had like so I thought I last time I was on I was intending to

Desireetalk with Andrew but he happened to not be there on vacation or something so I was actually wanting to I dis I had a host

Desireedisagreement about abortion okay you can ask him about it

Desireeokay yeah I mean I could just lay down my argument which is so I don't believe

Desireethat uh so life is in my opinion does not start at conception life uh sperm is alive eggs are alive so

Desireethere's you need life to create life except you know when the world started but anyways um so I my thing is

Desireeviability I think you I think you should be it should be legal as long as uh as

Desireelong as the baby is uh needs to be in the stomach to survive because I believe that's an attachment of you because

Desireeanything that you do to your body any if you drink coffee if you smoke that is going to affect your the the thing that's growing inside of you and you

Desireecannot have your own you if you're pregnant you have to really like watch like you could have an abortion from an herbal tea like there

Desireeare herbs that will induce an abortion and so to say that that's murder to me is not correct and then I also have a

Andrew Wilsonpoint about IVF and uh I don't think that the second can we uh if if you don't mind can we stick to one point at a time yeah um so can I ask a couple

Andrew Wilsonclarifying questions if you don't mind I don't mind so okay great so the uh the first question I have is you said as long as the baby's in the

Desireestomach uh then it's not murder is that correct viable so as long as it cannot be delivered and stay

Andrew Wilsonalive okay gotcha and so your your ultimate dispute is um life you say that life begins um you know outside of conception what about human life when

Desireedoes that begin so human life I think I think when you're born you are cons you are considered legally a human being you're it's a human it's a human embryo

Andrew Wilsonand I think that's or human you could say well that I mean that can't be true right because otherwise you wouldn't say that the woman has to keep the baby in her stomach for as long as it's

Andrew Wilsonviable making hang on hang on hang on my turn you're making the affirmative claim that this is a human life it must be if it's viable

Andrew Wilsonright oh well sorry there's a car what okay so so um what does viable mean

Desireethat's a human right viable means it's able to survive outside of the womb so it can be and it's a human is that a human being it's the yeah it's the human species yeah okay yeah it's a human

Andrew Wilsonbeing so when does it become a human being when it's born I think that it's Mur that doesn't make any sense do you hang on you understand that makes no sense if you say that it's viable in the womb and it's a human being it can't

Desireealso only be a human being when it's born no it's it's it's of the human species I'm saying you have the right to you have bodily

Desireeautonomy and and you have have to okay just give me a second you have to specifically not kill it you have to specifically not kill it because if you are just going about your daily life you

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