INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaschecking um you hate your Anatomy entire Anatomy being the receiver yes wait so do you have like sexual Hang-Ups on this front

Jade Martinno it's not in that way at all like you don't like sex or no no it's not in a sexual way at all it's more so relationship Dynamics I I I I totally

Desireeget what you're saying and actually that goes along with um Carl Young's theory of he he theorized that every female body system had a male soul and vice versa

Jade Martinokay all right pull it back up please and I all right masculine you could say masculine and feminine it's an energy

Jade Martinthing the reason this whole idea of a gendered soul I think that's what drew me to that let let me just read

Brian Atlasthese line by line and we'll go through it you want the power of deciding in when to have children M but is it I mean so women hold all the power on that front so conf you the

Brian Atlaschildren what's that men give you the children in my opinion well I mean you need a man to have children but like yes you have okay

Brian Atlasas a woman you could go out with the intention of getting a sperm donor like this lady over here you could go like on a tear just have a bunch of one night stands and get Knocked Up as a man it's

Brian Atlasa little more difficult to like I want to have like you could tonight or the next month I don't know it depends on your pych or whatever the [ __ ] you could get pregnant this month if you wanted to

Brian AtlasI guess like do you think as a guy I could be like yo I'm trying to like get a [ __ ] pregnant that's going to like have the kid oh these narcissistic ones well they'll get you pregnant that was

Brian Atlasprobably his just let her talk please um so I'm a little confused here like women have all the power when it comes to this I mean I that was written

Brian Atlasemotionally I was just frustrated all right um The Power of Love so what okay next line I want the power of loving like a man what does that mean being the initiator you know when

Jade Martinyou go out on dates it's them who decides do I want her as my girlfriend it's not you like do I want to chase her do I want to take her out again well this is kind of a mutual

Brian Atlasthing right yeah yeah it like I've been on Plenty I've been on Plenty of First Dates where I wanted to continue seeing the girl yeah and she wasn't feeling it

Brian Atlasso it's not like it's not like this weird thing where like as a guy every single girl you go on the first date with you get to make the determining factor of she's going to be my

Desireegirlfriend yeah it's situational maybe it's a little lack of experience too if you just you're I mean you're kind of just starting to get out there and they and you had that one bad experience that took up a lot of time plus the healing

Brian Atlasfrom that I okay let's pull it back up it's like a 5year he a woman I want the power of picking wom and get married forced forced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love so who's

Jade Martinforcing you to not approach guys at the club um I guess that goes back to me wanting

Brian Atlasthe Chase and being the more dominant one and but you by your own admission you don't it's how is it not acceptable apparently I don't know I'm just following what she just hasn't been able

Desireeto find mates so she's just assuming that what she's doing isn't working I'm just following what the woman around me do you think if you go to a nightclub and you go up to a guy don't follow it if you think if you go out to a

Brian Atlasnightclub and you go up to a guy who you think is attractive which you admit to have never done and you just one time hey what's up are you single blah blah blah whatever you think the like

Brian Atlasthe lights are going to turn on and the music's going to stop everybody's going to do an about look no and just be like whoa I can't believe a woman has dared to approach him like do you think that's what's

Brian Atlasgoing to happen or do you think nobody in the club is going to even notice or give a [ __ ] no nobody in the club is going to Care um so explain to me how it's not socially

Brian Atlasacceptable I guess that's just the impression that I've gotten from guys but you said you like to you take on a more masculine role and you like to be the initiator you like to be the Chaser

Brian Atlasbut you don't the masculine thing is to say [ __ ] what Society tells me I'm going to do this [ __ ] anyways so are you really

Jade Martinmasculine I mean no but in some ways yeah like I am the initiator and I do like a Chase in fact I'd be prepared to

Brian Atlassay that it's way more at least now it's actually way more risky for men to approach women than the reverse if I approach some girl in Trader Joe's and I like creep her out or whatever that's

Brian Atlas[ __ ] gnarly but if you're some chick and you go up to a dude in Trader Joe's nobody gives a [ __ ] yeah nobody cares no it's not the people around you it's the

Desireeguy can come across as yeah desperate or I think when you're really beautiful too you almost kind of got to downplay your looks because guys aren't used to being

Desireeapproached and then it's a pretty woman doing it and then it's a little like at least I am very forward with guys Brian knows this I'm just like if I want

Desireeyou I'm going to go tell you I want you but they almost like have this freeze response like Dearing a headlight like they don't really know and then a lot of them like Miss I'm still trying

Desireeto give them an opportunity to like the number exchange or whatever but I kind of am as forward as possible and then they fumble it so many times so

Desireethen I'm like I don't know if they can handle me if they're fumbling like I'm just trying to get your number or I'm trying to tell you you could have my number if you want it I like talking to

Desireeyou or whatever you know nothing applies to you though cuz you're crazy like they just detect your [ __ ] crazy I'm on that scale I'm like the hot crazy

Andrew Wilsonscale well actually guys are so desperate no you took a nose dive off of that scale you're that scale doesn't even exist in your Paradigm you're in

Andrew Wilsonlike the Baba buoy mentally ill should be locked up in Asylum style scale you're way regular RoR that's why I work at home so I don't have to be out there

Brian Atlasmenacing Society you're you're living in a prison of your own invention like you're there's a prison for your mind nobody is forcing you like if and it sounds like you're desirous of

Brian Atlastaking on the more masculine role of being the initiator being the Chaser I mean I agree but there's like a there's a contradiction here on one hand you say that but you also said you're very uh

Jade Martinyou don't approach men not at clubs or bars or in person or at Trader Joe's that one time uh no I'm

Jade Martinjust going off of my experiences so far and The Impressions that I've had

Brian Atlasreceived okay pull up the Tweet again I guess I'll get through the rest uh they decide whether or not they want to be your boyfriend well I sit there [ __ ] out of luck hoping to be

Jade Martinnoticed well so like are women owed relationships uh no I think God decides what relationship you have in

Jade Martinthe end if you have one um I don't think I'm owed one I would like one I've always wanted some something

Rebeccanormal but no I don't think any one is oh anything we'll try we'll try to get through all these I have a question you just said that God decides if you have a

Rebeccarelationship or not but in that same tweet you sorry in that same tweet you say that men decide yeah

Jade Martinum I think that's more so like my own experiences they have decided whether or not they wanted to be my boyfriend

Desireewhereas I had already liked them well it follows with a patriarchal society because essentially in the hierarchy God would have the closest

Desireeconnection and accountability like it would be God man woman children and then like Earth and animals right so it does follow that you trusting God is actually

Desireeyou trusting God through a man to approach you and be like a soulmate or the right match for you exactly essentially and I would agree with that yeah in this societal construct that's

Desireewhy in a sense I just kind of live a non-traditional life because this patriarchal society has kind of canceled me from being able to you know not that it it would never be

Desireepossible but I have always thought of myself as damaged goods because I wasn't raised by a good dad my dad raised me to be a sex worker so I felt like as soon

Desireeas I went that path even though it wasn't for me I actually rebelled and took the whole religious traditional path I rebelled against my family um and then I was Outcast from my family this

Andrew Wilsonis It's always such cope from you man when you say that like oh my dad did this everyone else is always responsible for everything Desiree does except

Andrew WilsonDesiree everybody's always responsible for everything you do except you right nobody is forcing you to do sex work right now you do it cuz you want to

Desiree[ __ ] do it well I have have this whole experience of all of my life and skeletons in my closet essentially being

Andrew Wilsonlike National headlines um it led me to have to done by Desiree all orchestrated and done by Desiree all of it produced

Andrew Wilsonby Desiree right so the thing is is like you oh I didn't want anybody to know my life story that I put in a book and then went on several podcasts to explain about incessantly it's like come on you

Desireeorchestrated all of it right you you got to stop being such a victim all the time I was simply saying that the state is actually recognizing

Desireemy case with family trafficking and I'm actually able to now seek restitution for the damages that were done from my family so that's awesome and it I what that has to do with what I'm saying to

Desireeyou well I'm just simply saying that I'm in a sense like ending that chapter of my life where I don't need to keep talking about how it was victimized because restitution will be made I'll be

Desireeset up financially and then at that point we'll see if I keep doing modeling or not because my family owes me like $15 million bro I'm not going to I don't think we're going to derail on on that

Brian Atlasone but um let's just try to get through all the tweets and then uh we can uh yeah

Desireeum I don't know you seem pretty feminine she does pryin that's why I'm trying to encourage you like it was a bad experience that not want somebody is that it you don't you sure want to Peg she doesn't want to

Jade MartinPeg she doesn't want to Peg I think you seem pretty feminine I've been that way since I was younger and I think that's why I was driven to the whole gendered

Brian Atlassoul thing is wait can we just maybe wait until you know a lot of people up at the table right now maybe we just wait until all right let's do the next tweet please

Brian Atlasuh it's all or can you read this one it's always the pretty ones wait wa wait wait hold on Austin uh can you make it smaller so we can see this video playing while

Jade Martinshe a little bigger yeah that's per perfect okay go ahead it's always the pretty ones because we become sick of the bullying from females and males not seeing our personalities or any depth we

Jade Martindecide to destroy our appearance as much as possible so that maybe someone will love us for who we are inside that's one thing I grieve after reverting back I miss being a person and this video it's a video that you're reacting to uh you

Brian Atlasgot a girl here and she absolutely destroys her appearance absolutely destroyed um damn that's a that's a big big rip in the chat okay uh next one I

Brian Atlasguess I just thought that was interesting um can you scroll it back up uh I think too big no I think it's too big one down yeah uh you for real cannot talk to a

Brian Atlassingle woman or man these days without them having five new bodies every single month is this about

DesireeVivian no actually five in total and five huh wait five five and

Brian Atlaswhat body count yeah and two of them more like last week wait what what was your body count last time three oh okay so you added sorry three okay all right

Brian Atlaspull it back up yeah she but she was doing some confidence stuff though yeah it was boosting her ulating boosting confidence no that wasn't confidence I just want how many do you think it's going to be uh like do you have a guess

Desireelike if we're doing predictions like how many do you think by 19 I feel like I've been dissuaded I feel like uh I'm better off like doing like getting that from

Desireemyself you know masturbation yeah oh like because I don't have to be rejected or like feel like anxious about like if

Desireehe's going to like text me back and like it's just easier so you're just going to be a sale bit for the next forever or

Desireewell no I that's not the plan like but I wouldn't I I'm I've been dissuaded from hookups because I can honestly like do

Desireeit myself I don't really need it's not really worth it the the sex with the guys was not better than than what you could do with yourself like pleasure wise so it's not really worth the risk emotionally healthwise all that but like

Brian AtlasI yeah I'm pretty sure women have sex for more than just pure physical reasons no yeah I mean for for me it was like it was like yeah I could do that on my own

Desireebut I did want the like emotional uh you know connection but I don't like connect with people that easily I feel like it's a big investment

Brian Atlasmhm okay um next one I guess next

Jade Martintweet uh in my opinion uh wait what oh okay uh can you read this um the original tweet is I don't like telling

Jade Martinguys I'm trans until after the first date and I do it by text or safety someone told me that's wrong and I said IMO men and women should be able to

Brian Atlaspress charges against [ __ ] like this I agree with this tweet yes I agree I agree with this

Brian Atlastweet uh I think it should be disclosed before even the first straight to jail before the first date I think you got to you know true I always tell guys that I

Desireedo only fans before whatever that's true move forward cuz I think that's a we had a PR not for everybody what do you think about this one we had a prostitute who came on the show who slept with thousands of men and she would be on

Brian Atlasdating apps and she would not disclose the fact to these men on dating outs that she was a prostitute now look nothing legally compelling her to do it but I would say it's more there's a more moral

Brian Atlasethical diseases yeah but I just well let's say just for the sake of argument she didn't have any diseases not sure if that's the case I mean you should it's a big part

Brian Atlasof I still think you should probably tell somebody before going on a date with them that you're a [ __ ] yeah imagine if the guy was seen literally I'm not saying that to be it

Desireejust and if anything just because what if he finds out not from you before that would be a whole messy situation would be better just to disclose it super

Brian Atlasmessy take it or leave it yes very messy it would be Superman next tweet I guess if if a man would slap you in any context he's sick and dangerous there's

Jade Martinno way around it unless it's a kinky consensual thing wait so hold on any cont next I personally would not like

Desireethat um I just think any man that would slap a woman in any context is abusive you never know you might if you felt safe with a man and he had like a thing

Jade Martinto slap that's not what she's talking about okay no no what about in self-defense uh sure but that's not what

Jade MartinI was say well that's a that's a context though yeah yeah I mean I guess if you're in an violent altercation yeah got him no what if it's

Brian Atlasyour girlfriend and she starts smacking you around a bit first I mean it's a violent altercation okay so you're fine with it in that context yeah

BenedettaI mean if I had a son and I knew that he was being it says no no no I don't think no he could hold it down like hold her arms yeah yeah whatever like the

Andrew Wilsonstrength is different and that's a fact so like you should not you should not do it anyways like no you I I don't understand that so like let's say that

Andrew Wilsonthere was a really weak guy who punched you in the face why couldn't you punch them back in the face because you were a really strong guy I think it's situational like if you know your let

Andrew Wilsonhim answer hang on so so to you if a really weak guy punched you in the face if you were a man what would be the problem with punching him

Jade Martinback I think if you know you're bigger as a man and you can just handle her like set her aside or walk away you should not touch a woman anyways like yeah but that doesn't make

Andrew Wilsonany sense again so I'm going to ask the question you got a strong guy and a weak guy and the weak guy punches the strong guy in the face what is the problem with the strong guy punching him back in the

Andrew Wilsonface nothing okay well then you would would apply that same logic to women right just because you're weak doesn't mean that if you punch a guy in the face you don't get what's coming to you back

Jade Martinright I guess I'm viewing it as a in the perspective of a mother because I want to be a mother you know when I go out on dates I think about the mom I don't know

Jade MartinI'm weird I would not like to hear that my son was being abused but maybe I should look at it as you know that's a woman I don't know I don't know I'm kind of

Andrew Wilsonconflicted on what I don't understand what you're conflicted on in a situ woman if a woman strikes a man abusing a man yes yeah if a woman strikes a man why does she get like a git out of getting decked in the face

Andrew Wilsoncard I don't get that I mean I don't know she should yeah I don't know either I've never really actually heard a good objection to this yeah I've heard well because they're not as strong as men but it's like okay but that objection never

Andrew Wilsoncomes up when weak men get beat up by strong men because they hit strong men so why do women get the pass yeah they shouldn't they should know better and keep their themselves I

Desireewill say though our bones and our skeletal structures are physically weaker so even than a smaller weaker man would still have a stronger skeletal structure than a female yeah but nobody's going to cry over a weaker man

Andrew Wilsongetting smacked right so being smacked if a weaker woman punches a man like well she gets what's coming back to her right well what I'm saying is it poses the weaker the woman

Andrew Wilsona greater danger by being hit by the man than a man hitting another I guess you shouldn't Hit Men well yeah I mean in a perfect world but we had to pick a kind well what do you mean a perfect world like it's an

Andrew Wilsonimperfect world I'm just saying if a woman stands up and punches a man and then gets knocked unconscious by the man not only do I not see a problem with that but I actually think it should

Andrew Wilsonhappen happen I think he should do that I think his his priority should be to put her on her ass and I don't think she'll ever do it again right like that's the point it's simple Common

DesireeSense keep your hands to yourself yeah yeah that's obviously like okay and the men can get restraining orders against women I have a restraining order against me from a guy who has a battery assault

Andrew Wilsonand battery charge against me and they let him get a restra order that's 38 but but here's the thing here's the thing it's so funny here's the thing the thing is is like look I get that but I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow how that's really an objection to me saying if a woman now I think that you should just not attack people right you should just not attack people but if

Andrew Wilsonyou are a person who just can't help yourself but attack somebody uh and that person defends themselves I I I just can't think of a good objection other than well they were defending themselves

DesireeI don't know why the fact that they have a vagina gives them some special pass on this well because our whole skeletal structure is weaker than a male skeletal

Andrew Wilsonstructure our bones are more fragile it's like it's like okay so Desiree okay I'm simply explaining that why engage with this hang on let me engage with this

Andrew WilsonDesiree if a man went over and punched a gorilla in the face what do you think would happen to him he would probably be

Andrew Wilsondead yeah the gorilla would rip him limb from limb right uh would you if you read in the in the in the newspaper stupid man punches gorilla in the face and

Andrew Wilsongorilla then beats man to death would you be like what a dumb [ __ ] or would you go and be like my God how could this gorilla have done such a horrific thing

Andrew Wilsonto this arguing with his bone structure it's just it's not even the same as that of a gorill gor do such a thing I think you misunderstood what I was saying was

Desireesimply saying that is why Society has kind of this double standard that's all I was saying I'm not saying that the woman should go assult the man yeah yeah right but I'm not interested in kind of

Andrew Wilsonthese greater caveats of well this is why Society thinks X cuz that's not the argument that I was making I wasn't making the argument about what Society thinks I was making the argument for what Andrew Wilson thinks what Andrew

Andrew WilsonWilson thinks is that if dumb weak person punches really strong person and gets knocked the [ __ ] [ __ ] out that's what you get it seems really simple to me just like if you attack guy weaker

Andrew Wilsonthan you he pulls out gun and ends your life that you get what you get right this is just this is just how it works youself attack people don't have to worry about it right I would concede you

Andrew Wilsonreap what you so so yeah ladies keep your hands to yourself yeah yeah it just seemed that seems reasonable I've never actually heard a good objection to this it's just like women go but I should be privileged enough to just punch men in

Rebeccathe face and have them do nothing it's just it's so bizarre to me women need to understand that that between men to men talk [ __ ] get hit like guys deal with each other

Rebeccadifferently than women deal with each other and I'm not saying that to a woman talk [ __ ] to a man get hit I'm not saying that but men socially have different ways of dealing with each other and most of that revolves around

Rebeccathe physical in some cases or in most cases but women have another way of dealing with each other that in a nonviolent form the fact of the matter is if you pick a fight that you can't you know you can't back it up physically

Desireemaybe don't pick that fight yeah yeah it's not it doesn't seem like it's a wise idea and honestly I will say this that I have had two long-term relationships one was a traditional like

Desireeme as the submissive him as the dominant that relationship never got physical no matter how toxic it was never got physical I jumped to trying like a non-traditional relationship like an open relationship with a more feminine

Desireeguy who let me like run the show the toilet guy the what the toilet guy no no no that was friend can you tell us that story really quick do you want me to finish the one story than jump no I'd

Desireerather just hear the that was just a a friend a BDS a consensual BDSM Dynamic where I was going deeper into handling

Andrew Wilsonmore and more intense sexual experiences so what was so he had um in order to heal your trauma yeah really did cuz I had had those

Desireesame read in your book right yeah you had I never talked about that tell us tell us the story okay so his biggest fantasy he was my daddy I was his baby

Desireegirl in the BDSM Dynamic so his biggest fantasy was that he would hold my head in the toilet while he was [ __ ] me in the ass and I let him we did this whole like reenactment

Desireeof the thing consensually what and we had like the safe words and the gestures and the whole or what so I learned that I could take it I

Desireewas like oh I got it I could do this thing guys what were you thinking it was like a bucketless thing I I had never done that intense of an experience and

Desireemany many men actually do have these more violent fantasies my theory being because um our creator gave us this kind of conduit to transmute all of these kind of violent

Desireeplease don't listen to this I'm sorry for her I'll pray for her anyway so the man felt very blessed that I allowed him that experience he could never find any other woman who was willing to do it and just because we

Desireehave free will doesn't mean we should use it anyway I like it I'm I'm I'm an anal girl you guys I'm like I have a whole cult following of ass fetish guys so it's my thing but Stu I'm your I'm

Desireeyour um Mama come see how to do it ew that's [ __ ] disgusting no butt stuff for you guys Andrew is that a sin

Andrew Wilsonin your ideology seen all of your [ __ ] butt that I ever want to see desire whether I want see it or not you want to make sure that I see it poor Andrew had to see my white cellulite uh

Desireealmost 40s sorry Andrew it was pretty gross I had underwear on I did have underwear on just to clarify we have it if you guys want it's on the

Andrew WilsonDiscord discord.gg whatever if you want to see it uh 18 and over guys 18 and over for you don't want to see it though we have it posted there you it's like the

Andrew WilsonGates of Hell will open up the gates of hell itself opens up and you have to see what it's like when this geriatric woman tries to sexually assault a happily

Andrew Wilsonmarried man but you guys it's a real ass you ever seen life Brian poor Brian I knocked I got up shut up Desiree I got

Andrew Wilsonup and I I bowed Brian over I shouldered him to the side in order to get away from the devastation of Hell itself

Andrew Wilsonopening up right true right then in front of me it was like they have later came to me we had this conversation not about you desire it's about me now so Bri and Brian had this

Andrew Wilsonconversation afterwards and Brian was like Andrew why did you do that why and I told him I told him my zombie apocalypse Theory which is I don't have to run fast just have to run faster than

Andrew Wilsonyou right so the thing is is that I will totally I'll totally name Brian on my way out so that the bear gets him absolutely I'm that kind of friend and I

Andrew Wilsondid do that I did I shouldered him to the side and uh I I rushed away the to try to get away poor Brian he threw you right under the bus it was very it was very traumatized right under the bus it was very traum how you going to help him

Desireewith his trauma of his close friend Andrew Wilson leaving him high and dry like shouldering to the I'm probably clinging to him I'm like just in case I

Desireelike ruined your life I'm here you ruined my life too so if you're lonely me too here I am okay it's like that hey

Andrew Wilsonhey Desiree can I ask you a question about how you um wrote Brian a bunch of DMS about how you're his soulmate and and how great he is oh my God Brian bring how you literally threw threw

Andrew Wilsonyourself at him in a desperate bid in a desperate bid to get in his pants no no hang on let me finish first before you start talking you threw yourself at him in a desperate bid to get Brian atlas's

Desireepants why did you do that honestly I really have like a respect crush on the guy he's he's built this whole platform that is something I aspire to he's a

Andrew Wilsonhandsome man I love the beard he's yeah I mean yeah I agree I agree Desiree you have no [ __ ] chance with a guy like Atlas like what are you

Desireedoing well why I'm just kind of like this groupy I'm kind of like can I be like your free personal assistant can I bring you food I'll sit over there anything I'm a I'm a Brian Atlas [ __ ]

Desireeworshipper I guess you could say and he has an ass he has ass that's prayer Watch I feel like we can relate to each other because not every white person has

Desireean ass it's a thing I guess we do have that in we have extra Soul Brian God gave us an extra me of soul and the black community will agree what are you talking about that's not an ass it's a

Rebeccadrooping pile of garbage that you tried to chase me out you'll have to subscribe talking you'll have to subscribe so I have a question most of the things that you listed and the attributes that you look for look up to in Brian or look

Desireetowards on Brian were mostly related to the podcast so are you sure you're not clout chasing we could we could call it that I I do have pretty severe intimacy issues relating to men taking advantage of me and so I think at this point in my

Desireelife with children and everything I'm more looking for an equal partner to collaborate in life with more than like a traditional relationship anymore so I if you want to put it in that category sure sure

Andrew Wilsonyeah H interesting Brian um I I I think that the whatever podcast deserves your chat deserves and my chat deserves to hear it

Andrew Wilsonfrom your mouth directly from your mouth I will not tolerate this slander against my pal Brian Atlas any longer Brian can you unequivocally say to

Andrew Wilsondesire's face there's no [ __ ] chance in hell ever yeah there's no chance in hell ever uh I would not

Brian Atlasum sorry desert I mean look you send me these walls of text you show at least show them the soulmate sketch send yeah she also I show the T I showed Andrew

Desireethe soulmate test I mean it looks like you this chick went to like a a psychic sketch Soul you know I like was so lonely soulmate looks like show do I

Desireehave to show the I'm not normally like that but I don't know if I weird and then all of a sudden said come to this show I got totally blindsided I had no idea I never would

Desireehave met you like it does kind of look like random I was trying to be like women's empowerment niche of the internet I wasn't like in this sketch world I had no idea I would Des it's

Andrew Wilsonweird you're crazy do you want me to find it and DM it again uh I mean you guys it's okay okay listen the the chat deserves the chat deserves to see this we'll see the sketch we'll see the

Andrew Wilsonsketch but you have to find it you have to go find it um but but stick around maybe maybe towards the end of the show you can you can reveal the sketch of Doom I I we'll show the sketch wait are we going to get a Rachel Cameo what's

Desireegoing on oh yes please we going to get a Rachel cameo perhaps perh I thought that soulmate was Emin truth be told and then kind of could

Andrew Wilsonlook like Eminem with in like I think she wants to meet Desiree in person honestly who wait who wants to meet me all right well okay just send it to

Brian Atlaswhatever Instagram then I'll have Austin pulled it up okay I mean come on it's I don't know never say never um

DesireeI feel like I could make Brian a shitload of money I feel like I could bring you just as much money as you could help me make and I think that's what I don't know that's it feels like

Andrew Wilsonwe could have a mutually beneficial relationship yeah but you see you have to understand that good Brian over here he's moving towards the pathway of God and not towards the pathway of the pimp isn't that interesting

DesireeI mean I I'm not really looking for him to be like my husband or something I'm just saying like like a business collaboration type thing that's wonderful okay I'm going to read a couple chance actually we have to have

Brian AtlasAna read this one go ahead you have to do an Australian accent cuz he sent Australian money okay I dm'd it to the you got this Australian you got this Australian the

TTS/DonationsAustralian you didn't shave your neck did you ever fix it look at this freaking sketch and tell me grid one motorsorts

TTS/Donations$200 And1 TTS di you will have better luck cor chasing this Kuma Named Destiny he has had a rough time lately and I know he will just love to break you a

Andrew Wilsonpiece off and let you clout Chase all you want I can't [ __ ] believe that I have to sit here and defend the Kumer

Andrew WilsonGremlin Destiny Destiny even [ __ ] Destiny would not t tag even Destiny would I'm telling you guys even Destiny wouldn't do it

TTS/Donationseven $200 Des he'll have a one night stand ghost you never talk to you again just to add to your skeletons in the closet you keep mentioning maybe you can write

Brian Atlasa book on me Desiree here's how much I would not have sex with you so you could have a tu fear

Brian Atlasof if I ever youy mys are so no no no if if we would probably have a red head I'm even scared

Brian Atlasof just being within's missing a hand though let me finish my so if I had vasectomy if I had a vasectomy and you had a tubal liation even the odds of

Brian Atlaspotentially getting you pregnant and being entrapped by you entrapped like just being tied to you for 18 years is the thought of that is so terrifying why

Andrew Wilsonwould you so terrifying I just there's I wouldn't you wouldn't have to be the dad if you didn't want to okay Desiree have you ever seen Steen a movie I don't know

Andrew Wilsonuh written originally by Stephen King called Misery yes good one that would that's you Desiree and Brian is the author strapped in the bed with his legs

Andrew Wilsoncut off right just desperately pleading to God himself for the great checkout time and you just won't let him go that is what it would be like that is what it

Desireewould be like for Keeps inviting me back it's so weird Brian I think you're a little bit of a masochist what are you doing here honestly cockers you never been [ __ ] woried

Brian Atlasbefore I've had my [ __ ] worship you had a slave have you ever had a slave like a sex slave I've had slaves the Bowing I've had slaves the [ __ ] with the bow I asked for women to bow to me of course I've had slaves okay first off

Desireedon't listen don't make assumptions about what most men I come upon have never had a sex slave before so it's very inviting I you've had so many because you're such a cool guy know there's

Brian Atlastradeoffs there's trade-offs like the thing is I start the older I get the less I'm willing to put up with because look sex 20 30 minutes that's all you have and then it's like I got to deal with you for the

Brian Atlasother well then I would never be with you that way anyway 20 30 minutes not going to do it for me that's not enough for you no no okay we're not compatible it's all good okay well perfect but we could still potentially Marathon sex thing it's like

Brian Atlas30 minutes that's good you don't need more than 30 minutes what are you trying to what the [ __ ] I'm kind of a nymph they say is that what

Andrew Wilsonthey call it a n a Nyo I guess I'm very sexual I'm hyp sexualized because of well Andrew wouldn't want me to blame that on anything hual I'm just

Desireehypersexual you're not hypersexualized you're just a [ __ ] lunatic he just a lunatic I guess in this day and age where the libido of the average American woman is so low I guess I would seem

Andrew Wilsonpretty psycho because I have this insatiable sex Str it doesn't have anything to do with your libido well okay there's women there's women on here who are prostitutes and just to tell me all about how they just love screwing

Andrew Wilsoneverything that they see well I don't I can even understand I can even rationalize and understand that mentality better than I can your [ __ ] like new age mixture of Christianity and

Andrew Wilsoncrazy ass Dogma that you then kind of create this psychological Pinnacle of [ __ ] nonsense in order to justify every horrific thing that you've ever done to people it's it's just it's

Brian Atlasmindboggling too anyways we'll we'll move it on here uh I'll get these chats read then we'll get into some more topics uh can you Australian accent

Desireedon't good day people just found your showmate and have consumed it flat out the last few days great concept love it Andrew you are a elite mate I'm sorry

Desireefor the two dim o scals you had to endure embarrassing that was very it wasn't they were Australian though that wasn't the problem but I'll I'll just

Brian Atlasleave it there also Australia doesn't exist according to Andrew so what uh Aussie driller Jim he's a driller and he's in Australia hey thank you man really appreciate the message thank you

Desireewhere would you say he's from Andrew if it's not Australia just never mind okay uh it's like a flat world do you believe in a fat okay can you read this please yo Brian have Mr Producer Glenn Lawrence

Desireeand Josie liard come on whatever right now they're outside and it would be awesome to have on Andrew can you vouch for me

Andrew Wilsonthen I mean of course of course but uh but you would have to set that stuff up beforehand to go on the show though I do vouch for both of those people I I do think that you should probably set it up

Brian Atlasbefore you yeah I don't know if I really want to go into this it's kind of like a is it Josie it's Josie isn't it yep

Andrew Wilsoncome on is it Josie yeah yeah I [ __ ] knew it I knew I shouldn't trust [ __ ] Josie I [ __ ] knew tell me Brian what

Brian Atlashappened I feel I should get into it just for the oh okay um I knew it couldn't be Glenn Lawrence though very

Brian Atlasupstanding guy Glenn Lawrence but Josie yeah yeah um I don't know yeah anyways uh can you read this one Anissa Ana my

Desireebad I mean you could literally open a dating app and Bone him the same night if you wanted to I think this is for you

Jade Martinum I'm not like that I don't do hookups wait but didn't you um the yeah the the the the date but previously I had only

Jade Martinbeen with my ex and the only reason I did wasn't to hook up it was because I actually liked him

Jade Martinand but now I think I would wait until I'm officially a girlfriend okay wait questions on this you said you recently like a week ago you went on a first date

Brian Atlasyeah did you no okay and then what about your first like to your boyfriend like how quick was that um

Brian Atlasthe same day that we met like how soon after meeting like like within how many minutes

Jade Martinum I don't know I don't remember you was this the first guy you've ever been with yeah you don't remember the time you

Jade Martinlost your virginity uh well I mean this is kind of dark but uh about a few months before him I had

Jade Martinbeen okay cons I'm talking consensual sex yeah so the reason that I met up with my ex was because I had been assaulted so that was technically

Brian Atlasmy virginity wait I'm a little confused here the reason you met up with your

Jade Martinex is because I wanted my first time to actually be my first time and not like a guy forcing himself me hold on your ex

Brian Atlasbut your ex is the guy who you lost your virginity to no no I

Jade Martinwas I'm confused I was forced to lose my by the twoyear guy no by

Jade Martina a complete stranger okay so after that I sought him out because that was my first time

Jade MartinI didn't consent to it so I wanted something cons so confused can I say the word yeah you got

Brian Atlasthat say but I'm really confused here so yes I but so that was your first time yeah because I'm talking about cons

Brian Atlasconsensual sex yes yes so I met up not sure how we got there but I was asking you don't remember your first real time

Jade Martinnot sure why we had to go there not sure why we had to go there but okay no I do remember I I thought you were saying like how quickly it happened I don't remember how quickly it happened

Brian Atlaswell you said it was the same day so like yeah I'm not asking for like the down to the second I'm just asking like yeah minutes you know I met up an hour 2 hours 3 hours like an

Brian Atlashour yeah where did you meet them grinder hold on what sorry my story is all over the place there's not enough

Brian Atlasyou're not you're not giving me enough details so oh this was into your transition though so you were

Brian Atlasidentifying as a male or a man yeah okay or well no I mean okay so he

Jade Martinwas on grinder MH so so he's gay no he was seeking out females on wait can on grinder yeah there females is gay gay

Brian Atlasyeah why so how was he seeking out females on grinder cuz there's females on grinder they allow it that are trans or that are that are

Jade Martinjust straight pretending to be boys yeah just straight females pretending to be boys so they're trans yeah I'm this um okay so he was on

Brian Atlasgrinder looking for Fe this guy's gay I'm sorry he's gay I agree he's probably gay yeah cuz he was on he was on grinder he's probably gay I mean that's

Brian Atlasreasonable conclusion uh so you meet on grinder did did he say he was homeless

Brian Atlaswait no he just said he was a truck driver wait so you met him you met him on grinder and then did you hang out like that day that you matched yeah so

Brian Atlasyou uh let's let's do timeline here okay let's do timeline okay okay you got to change the split though first and you got to move it over

Jade Martinone okay so you meet on grinder how soon after matching on Grinder like do you match in the afternoon um it was like 8:00 p.m. and then we met up at like 300

Brian Atlasa.m. and so you guys were messaging for 7 hours yeah back and forth um and then within an hour of

Brian Atlasmeeting at 3:00 a.m. you have sex caral knowledge and

Jade Martinthen was it in his truck yes was it a nice truck it was a semi it was his work

Brian Atlastruck I it was nice actually inside did they have LED lights yeah what color red orange orange that was

Brian Atlasthe red flag right there orange LED lights I hear girls say oh if a guy has LED lights in his room red flag orange though God damn okay

Brian Atlasmy story this crazy I can't I'm amazed we didn't even you should have told me that this is actually interesting you match on grinder virgin you're a virgin I know you said you got but we don't count that

Brian Atlaswe we won't count that you're a virgin thank you okay you meet him on a gay dating app this [ __ ] you can't make this [ __ ] up

Brian Atlasokay you meet a man on a gay dating a homeless man on a gay dating app who's a truck driver you meet him at 3:00 a.m. a homeless

Brian Atlastruck driver and then you lose your virginity to him in the truck an hour after meeting him this guy has the Riz of the century son I need to get this

Jade Martinguy on the show he was very charismatic he has the RZ homeless truck driver on a gay sleep with him in an hour I couldn't talk my

Brian Atlasway I don't think I could talk my way into some [ __ ] and 3:00 a.m. no he on a dating app bro it's hard enough on a straight dating app you can't talk your

Jade Martinway into [ __ ] like the same day but on a gay dating app he T he and she was a virgin bro this guy is he was don't know what to say handsome he would even

Jade Martinseduce girls within like minutes like customers from where he would work cuz he also he also worked at a at the truck stop no he worked at a ski resort later

Jade Martinon and he admitted to seducing girls within minutes someone in my chat said I need to get a [Laughter]

Brian Atlastruck that's that's the secret if you want a virgin you got to be homeless and have a [ __ ] truck unlock just got to get a truck

Desireebro 18wheeler what if you get like one of those nice like self honestly it sounds like like total serial killer Vibes oh I

Brian Atlasmean like you dodged a freaking bullet is what I'm saying girl do you realize the [ __ ] RNG as a dude like Rand RNG

Brian Atlasto be on a [ __ ] gay dating app and roll the [ __ ] Dice and get a virgin to [ __ ] you the same day you meet her like he probably thought it was a gift

Brian Atlasfrom the DAT virgins I put in weeks of work this guy's homeless and has a truck and he meets her on a gay dating app he

Jade Martinreally thought he had that come over to my truck at 3:00 a.m. where was it pared 7eleven parking lot yeah in front of a

Desireegas station he had probably tried this same game like 80 times probably another gay guy told him to do it and it wasn't

Brian Atlasthe biggest w a guy has ever taken and simultaneously the biggest L A girl has ever I mean it is if you look at it that

Desireeway is kind of like sh it is funny it is hilarious oh my God okay she's got to go on those shows have you guys seen like the worst ex ever

Andrew Wilsonthat's a show you could get on one of those episodes the worst X ever I actually this was this was perfect he he tied it all together perfect he just ruined everything you know you just

Andrew Wilsonruined everything typical woman this was fantastic it was a great story it was all tied together and you just ruined every imagine telling our kids we met on

SPEAKER_11a gay dating site brutal freaking bullet girl damn get it girl get it holy [ __ ]

SPEAKER_11and the story I mean this is a get this guy I'm writing a book He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer dude this guy's [ __ ] publisher and editor guys

Brian Atlasdownload [ __ ] grinder get yourselves a little baddy DTR Virg oh wait wait get yourselves a baddy truck stop virgin bro you need the truck that's crazy dude

Desireethey're a little disoriented this is all legit this isn't like I'm dead Ser this dead Ser I swear to God she was disoriented me down right now pounced on

Brian Atlasher like a freaking you can't forget typ an this is like [ __ ] god tier god tier RZ dude never holy [ __ ] Bro God

Andrew Wilsonhide your kids hide your wives dude this guy's probably on the gate what kind of truck you going to get bro oh my God was the truck what kind of truck you get I'm

Jade Martingetting a [ __ ] good one D CR Eng oh my God you should call and report second I'm buying new he's in prison buying new you got to get it new who's in prison's

Brian Atlasgetting he is wait this he's in prison yes for being a oh for being a a Drake a drink my god oh that's a good way to okay that's good that's good by the way

Brian Atlasoh yeah can you Kendrick Lamar apparently is going to be the uh halftime show at the Super Bowl this guy's going to call Drake a p word six like six times at the Super Bowl that's

Brian Atlascrazy we need accountability in this country for God's sakes dude Andrew tells me do you guys do you guys know what RNG is yeah random number generator so I used to play this game called he

Brian AtlasStone it applies to other video games too and RNG has to do with luck right so

Brian AtlasRNG this is like a one in one trillion one 1 trillion

Brian AtlasRNG the dude's homeless trucker who's on a gay dating app on grinder there's a lid for every pot is

Brian Atlasthe point I think the the the RNG on this is [ __ ] he this guy needed to go to [ __ ] Vegas stop this guy needed to

Brian Atlasgo to [ __ ] Vegas and put all his [ __ ] money on black I'm telling you bro the RNG my God maybe he sold soul to the devil and that was

Jade Martinhis immediate reward but it crashed and burned because she was smart and she left so it was like his little actually a very lucky person like anything that went wrong for for him just worked out

Desireeoh my God that probably is kind of creepy oh that's the delusional that Andrew was talking about he was so delusional he convinced God or Satan to give him what he wanted and it was

Brian Atlasworking for him right this is the the craziest I've ever heard on the show but now he's in prison unless he was the year of the dragon or something like isn't it the Year of the Dragon lucky yeah wait question

SPEAKER_14did was protection used no the biggest W maybe God protected you the biggest L from getting pregnant with

Brian Atlashis little spawn he was on grinder he's probably trying to do some gay for pay stuff on there he was probably trying to find dude literally my God we write him a

Brian Atlasletteron oh my goodness hold on you the man you lost your stop the man you lost your virginity too while he was texting you he was also like I'll suck your dick

Jade Martinfor $50 mhm yeah no I believe that damn bro is get something from him seriously was

Desireetrying to wait did he blast inside too yeah H were you on birth control the testosterone the testosterone St oh oh my God it was God uses everything for

Brian Atlasthe good I don't care what you not get your period when you're on the on the the gear no you don't on the gear it's worse than control yeah oh okay so like

DesireeI for that's what guys call it their testosterone they call it their gear like it's in your gym bag it's just it's weird it's guy it's Guy Talk wait what is that coming out your nose desire what

Desireethe [ __ ] was that I was I did you call it um was cocaine booger oh my God holy moly you do cocaine in your nose I've only

Desireehad people like do lines off of me what the [ __ ] okay with what if not they're oh yeah you're right okay I was thinking about cuz I've never done cocaine I was just thinking about in the

Jade Martincontext so you couldn't have got pregnant of the testosterone no he tried to after I got off

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