INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Desireecould be pregnant and you don't know it and you you drink alcohol and then you're responsible if that's murder if you're responsible for your DNA that that you had sex and you're you're pregnant you have a sperm you have a egg

Andrew Wilsonthat's fertilized you have to specifically re it in cuz you're all over the place you see you're super all over the place so let's start with this okay the idea that um okay you could be

Andrew Wilsonpregnant not even know but nobody would call that murder right murder is the unjustified taking of a life in that particular case if you have no knowledge that your action's going to take a life nobody would ever call that murder it

Andrew Wilsonwould begh nobody would ever call that murder like for instance if let me finish point please so for instance if I was on top of a building and I was working I was a construction worker and

Andrew WilsonI had my hammer next to me and I kicked the hammer off the roof uh and then it fell down hit somebody in the head and it killed them I obviously didn't know they were underneath the hammer when I kicked the hammer off the roof so since

Andrew Wilsonthat is true I would not get charged with murder because that would not be murder right that would not be considered murder it would be considered that that's a

Desireethat's a person that died and and I don't think that if you if you don't uh take care of yourself

Desireeand and you you H your your your uh baby dies in your stomach from not taking care of yourself I think you have to extend that logic if you're going to say that it's a life and that abortion is

Andrew Wilsonmurder I think you have to extend that to yeah but I maybe you do but I still don't actually understand your position because you said you said that it's only a human life when it's born I did not

Desireesay said it's okay so when is it a human life it's always a it's a it's a human so I don't valid I don't it's if it's infringing it's always a human life it's

Andrew Wilsonof the human species got it it's always a human life so then my my so then if that's true then when I say life begins at conception I'm correct right no I wouldn't agree it's it's life before

Desireethat it's life before that the things that create the it's not human before that it is it's the two part how did human life before that so the two parts converge

Andrew Wilsonthe sperm and the egg that contain DNA of a human yeah that that's what makes it a human so so human life begins at conception the value part is the human part right I don't value the not human

Andrew Wilsonpart just like I don't value for instance F I don't care about fish right if you go out with an Uzi to a pond and you just waste a million fish with your I don't give a [ __ ] right I have no value for it whatsoever but it's still a

Andrew Wilsonfish right it's still a fish's life so when we're talking about human life human life begins at conception do you disagree or agree with that I disagree okay so what makes it a human life well

Desireeit's it's a human life because it contains human DNA it's made of human DNA so it's so sperm and and eggs which is what a baby is made of which everyone's made of human DNA that's

Andrew Wilsonhuman that's that's the materials the sexual materials to uh create life and if I if I if somebody took a machete

Andrew Wilsonand cut off your arm your arm would definitely have human DNA would it be alive yeah you can not no no it wouldn't

Desireeso it just having human DNA has nothing to do with it being alive sperm and eggs are alive that's a fact alive in what sense they are living just

Andrew Wilsonlike cell like just like BAC I mean bacteria is AR be alive if it was cut off of you it wouldn't it wouldn't an alarm an arm that was cut off of you

Desireealso be alive by that same criteria it moves on its own sperm moves on its own egg so eggs contain living arms can move on their own when they're cut off of you yes they absolutely talking about arms what's that I'm not talking about arms

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about no you're not talking about arms I'm I'm testing your logic I'm trying to explain to you this concept right that all these things that you keep on claiming make this life I'm

Desireeclaiming are uh present in something you claim is not alive that's not well uh so differ I'm trying so I'm trying to figure out how it's actually alive yeah so I'll tell you the difference the

Desireedifference the difference is actually an arm you could say is just as much of a person as a fertilized egg

Desireebecause it's human it's not yet it's DNA it has D exact well yes and so does an arm I mean if that's if that's what if that's your

Desireecomparison um so you could it's actually a good comparison that that that you made in a sense I'm I'm I I don't actually even

Andrew Wilsonunderstand your position I'm like I'm trying to um so what makes what makes a person alive what makes a person alive let's start with that what makes life

Desireewhat what is that um what so when you're alive uh heartbeat is one thing and but I would

Desireesay for person with no heart you can be alive things can be alive but they can be non nonhuman or non or I can draw a distinction where personhood begins well

Andrew WilsonI mean scientifically it's anything that's carbon derivative right biological matter yeah I'm trying hang on just one step at a time let me let me try to at least understand what the position is because I'm still super

Andrew Wilsonconfused as to what what your position even is so as we kind of back up here let's start with what does alive mean

Desireewhat does that mean so alive means moving on its own and basically moving on its own and uh

Desireebeing chemically made having a genetic yeah and having a genetic code that that you're made of okay so um so being alive the

Desireecriteria is going to be moving on your own and having some kind of genetic material that you're made of I would go by the scientific definition which I don't have memorized but you could pull

Desireeit up if you I would agree with the scientific definition if you want to pull it up but not except for the part that disagrees with with what I believe which is so the part so you wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonaccept the part that disagrees with what you believe you just accept the part that agrees with what you believe the the part that's specific to abortion I don't agree with yeah it doesn't the scientific definition Define human life

Desireeas beginning concep life you asked you asked living so I would say the def the scientific definition of life I I agree with so yeah what well I don't know what that is you do you want me to pull that up I

Desireejust gave I just gave some examples of of what I believe life is in essence and if you want a full thing you can look up what the scientific definition is that's

Andrew Wilsonwhat I'll accept that's what I'll use so have you have you guys heard thear philosophical question okay so hang on so what if the scientific definition says that human life begins at

Andrew Wilsonconception I would even say it begins before that is H hang on can I let her answer does right when so so what if science says human life begins a conception I I don't agree with that part I'm saying life in general there's

Desireea scientific definition which is includes things like moving on your own respiration uh you know when you when you go down to like the very small

Desireemicroscopic levels these you have things that are moving on their own eating things they have genetic code so those are some of the things but it is a philosophical question like if you want

Andrew Wilsonme to Define life well the only reason I'm asking you to kind of give me some sense of it so I know what you're even talking about yeah I just gave you what we're what we're quibbling over uh here is human life

Andrew Wilsonright that's what we're actually talking about is when does human life begin you I mean you agree with me that human being requires DNA from Mother and Dad in order to become a human right yes

Andrew Wilsonyeah so if that's the case then it would require the sperm and the Egg to be fused before can I add something hang on no you can't can you just can you just let us finish so if that's the case

Andrew Wilsonright then it would require an an egg and a sperm for it to be human human life by your own criteria what a a fertilized embryo is a egg and a sperm

Andrew Wilsoncombined and they are both living separate of that or or you could say that you could say talk about human life I just said don't you think that the criteria for human life would require

Andrew Wilsonthe DNA of of both a mother and a father you said yes if that's the case than it would require the sperm and the Egg together in order to create human life correct yeah to have a person yes yeah

Desireeso then so then life begins at conception human life begins at conception right I don't believe that it's fully uh baked because I consider a human life to be something that is

Brian Atlasautonomous don't understand what what criteria is it Miss we're about if we continue we're probably going to lose our entire panel we're going to lose our entire panel we are going to lose our panel okay was it you who wanted to talk

Brian Atlasabout abortion in the first hour of this conversation I did not choose that I I I had to step up I don't know how that came up I don't control the conversation but I have no idea how it

Desireewhat's going on back there can we figure this out please I can add some of the latest scientific data that's what I was trying to interject of what science is coming out with usually the main let me can you guys let me know what's going on

Desireeback there is a decade behind what the science finds hello producer what's going on back

Brian Atlasthere here why don't you explain it on camera can you come explain it on camera no just go to your that's not the right

Desireeway do you want to sit down H yeah you can sit I just can't stay I have to go my friend's just called so about what they

Desireejust want me back at the apartment our roommates just are coming back and I didn't know how long this was going to be yeah we yeah I'm yeah I'm

Desireesorry but I do have to go so is it cuz the nature of the conversation no no yeah I didn't realize that they had called my phone was over there there so

Desireeso I went to go check it just what's the reason for the leave they just told me that like it wasn't worth my time right now it's not worth your time well like I I didn't know 7 hours and I have

Brian Atlashomework and stuff cuz I have class in the morning so at s barara City College yes the prestigious Santa Barbara thank you it's not okay peace

Brian Atlasout rage qu do we is that a rage quit I don't know if it's a rage quit if it's a coward it's a feminist quit for sure definitely a feminist quit she's uh

Andrew Wilsonvaluing her education over how did we get to Rel abortion so not me the question the question was asked if there were any disagreements with the host I did not ask that well no no no you said something about a disagreement with you

Rebeccasaid you want to bring up my notes so that's it is a good topic though I can take it in a scientific Direction with the nucleotides she I feel like I feel like what happened there was her friends told

Rebeccaher not to do like can you just take a seat I think that's part of it that's okay social pressures females are extremely social

Brian Atlascreatures much more than men I mean it's it's stressful we're very influenced by social conversations yeah all right Desiree let's address the elephant in the room how' you address the essay on a

Brian Atlashappily married man and show up like nothing happened has any apology been issued can you address it oh by the way uh on the Discord discord.gg whatever I'll just post the BTS of her two

Brian Atlasfriends who Rage Quit earlier or did a abandonment and then we'll also post I guess that one too I guess um so yeah we'll post it our Discord discord.gg

Brian Atlaswhatever I'll allow us to come back to this conversation later on but uh typically we like to kind of edge into things a little bit before let's talk

Brian Atlasabout abortion you know I know it's not your fault but uh I'm fairly confident fairly confident the pel panel abandonment is when you invite on an 18-year-old liberal girl and you start

Brian Atlastalking about abortion it's not going to go very well so um um also we need to check on Anissa too I don't know what's going on surprised as well that uh she's

Brian Atlasbeen up for a while um okay so uh Hillary Epstein elephant in the room do you want to address I thought we had kind of clear clear the room on the

Desireespot that show like that remember I conceded that I did do that and I felt like I apologized and checked in with you guys to see if you were having any

Desireelingering post-traumatic stress symptoms from my ass so I I am sorry I'm very sorry for all of the psychological damages I can

Desireeoffer you a referral to some help for your damages if you need I'm not sure what else I can do but

Desireea public apology and acknowledging that I did essay these two poor men on one of the episodes

Brian Atlasmhm all right Nick you can pull up that super chat

Brian Atlasplease why don't y'all ever have a Southern Man on the podcast all we get is Cali liberals y'all must be scared of a real Southern man's input why is there never anyone from my side of the country

Brian Atlasthis is all [ __ ] y'all never have a real god-loving Southerner on the cast well true tell tell you what man why don't you develop a YouTube channel and you can engage in debates for half a

Brian Atlasyear and then when you're competent actually um having any sort of online presence uh we can talk about you coming on but I

Brian Atlasdon't invite anons on the show so um yeah man sorry Dylan Joe where's Maddie I'm scared also when dating what do we think of smoking although we know it's bad for our health you got admit it

Brian Atlaslooks cool as blank if you can pull it off no offense Drew Hail to the King uh Maddie's out of town for this week she'll be back uh she'll be back next week and uh also when dating what was it

Brian Atlaswhat did he say uh yeah so true yeah man start a YouTube channel start uploading videos do some

Brian Atlasdebates um and 6 months 12 months down the line we'll take another look at it if you have the chops we'll bring you on the show

Brian Atlasum I've given way too many like random dudes shots who came on the show and contributed nothing or detracted from it come on the show they're not prepared to argue with some of these talking points

Brian Atlasfrom the other side they don't benefit me in any way in fact a lot of them blame me for their poor perform they blame me for their poor performance and they're choking because they expect me to give them the

Brian Atlaslayup so I've had dudes who ask to be on the show I give them a chance they expect me to handhold them to the like w [ __ ]

Brian Atlasown dunk moment it never happens and then they talk [ __ ] about me after the show because I didn't handhold them and give them the easy layup that they were looking for so don't do it anymore don't

Desireedo it anymore it is what it is so you prefer to work in a female Centric environment what do you mean I got Andrew right here that's true and Andrew is like 25 guy arm Andrew's a [ __ ]

DesireeLegend he is a [ __ ] legend that is Point good point it's like in elementary school remember the boys would say me and this guy versus all you girls it was

TTS/Donationslike a was like a a guy remember they always one Motorsports donated $200 I happen to be a true Southern Man oh you didn't use your little special uh

Brian Atlasgrid you didn't use your special little room thing uh let's do some reacts Nick let's try to get through the reacts while you're still here um can you pull up the first one yeah

Brian Atlasthank you good one uh good to see you in the chat man appreciate it okay um yeah we we can do this one first uh

Brian Atlasso actually before we play the clip uh I'll Have You tab over to the other one so before I play this clip guys it pops up in my feed it won't let me T that's fine you can uh it's the New York Post

Brian Atlasarticle so this woman actually we reacted to her before it's this this is the same woman so she went on six dates a week she didn't have to buy groceries for 2 years so she's just matching with

Brian Atlasdudes on Tinder whatever dating apps so that she uh could uh just eat for free in New York City This Woman's in New York City when they say women are bad with money but you used to go on Six States a week to avoid paying for

Brian Atlasgroceries scroll down a bit Nick there's a few interesting things in the article here let's see uh forget d and dash former Wall Street Trader dined to save cash uh went viral 2020

Brian Atlasbragged that she went on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries uh between 2016 to 2018 I didn't buy groceries once probably saved about $150 a week and uh there's some

Brian Atlasmore there so let's go back if you're able to tab back over to the video we'll react to it here real

SPEAKER_01quickly okay you can go ahead and play it you want a traditional wife then be a traditional man you cannot ask for stay-at-home wifey privileges if you don't have stay-at-home wifey money you

SPEAKER_01want me to clean the kitchen I'm happy to clean the kitchen if I get to wake up at 10:00 I get to clean the kitchen I get to go lounge by the pool and then you come home at night like sure no

SPEAKER_01problem but if I'm waking up at the crack of dawn with you we're both going to our two very demanding jobs and then coming home don't ask me for anything you're not willing to do if you want a

Brian Atlastradition is that it y um I don't think she's actually really wrong like I don't think she said anything wrong but like bear in

Brian Atlasmind this woman used men for dates for a 2-year period so that she didn't have to buy groceries so I mean nothing about her prior conduct would indicate to me

Brian Atlasthat she's a traditional woman um so she's making the claim here that she's a traditional woman sort of kind of or at least she's talking about that so

Desireeum I guess your guys's reaction to this clip going around t mean it sounds like how a a lot of women have had to adapt to the wave of feminism that and the

Desireeeconomy stuff that's kind of pushed us into the workforce and so I think what a lot of us are trying to communicate is we could switch we could go one way or the other because I think for the most part women are starting to Value

Desireeemotional connection and like the sexual or romantic relationship you could say be with men more than money because so many of us are getting used to having to

Desireebring Financial Resources to the table so I would say a lot of women I would put myself in this category where I could switch if I really was with a man who could afford the whole family and

Desireehousehold thing and it worked for me to stay home and not be earning then I could be fine with that and respect the position but if I chose a man who needed me to make money I could also do that and I I don't know I just feel like

Desireethat's kind of the modern a lot of us are kind of like that like we're not saying we don't like to be home or we're not willing but most men these days couldn't afford like our full life with kids and all the whole

Benedettathing so that's just fine add something like I think that if you're not a traditional woman you don't want a traditional man like I would never stay home if my man provides me everything

Benedettabecause if one day he W sorry you got to shut up you got to let people finish talking go ahead no I'm just saying that if one day he wakes

Benedettaup and he says okay I'm done you're like you're alone and you don't have anything I would rather be able to provide

Benedettaeverything to my family or whatever and and like can decide because if you if you're not Financial uh how do you say like stable

Desireeuh you can make a lot of choices you have to stay at his it makes you more vulnerable to get stuck in a sort of a toxic Dynamic if it goes that way or even if your man passes away or

Benedettasomething God forbid and I don't think that it's bad if you if you decide to stay home and your having some sort of job skills is a so like it depends your your way to see to cut in but Brian

Rebeccacheck your uh check your messages from me here in a second here yeah Nick I think you got to boost the audio back up may I add something mhm or were you were you still going okay um I think the

Rebeccafirst part of her video was a little bit misguided did Andre did you she she has like a little bit of the wrong idea of what a um stay home wife in reality in the majority of you know stay-at home moms

Rebeccaand what they do 10 a.m. that would be nice and especially if you have kids but um she didn't mention kids so stay at home wife um but the first part of her video a little bit misguided um I do

Rebeccabelieve that marriage is is or not marriage I should say but um if you're you have to be willing to be fluid male female whatever mostly it's female um if you're going to be a stay home wife uh

Rebeccaespecially if you do have a job as well you have to be able to balance all of that and be what be the balance relationships like that are like balance if if your if your man is the provider you also he takes care of your exterior

Rebeccayou take care of his interior you know what I mean you have to bring that balance or if your your life you're Building Together requires that you both work then fit into that role you need to

Desireebe able to be versatile and it seems like it seems to me like because women have had to become so fluid those of us who have children whether we wanted the children or not we end up with the children and obviously we're all trying

Desireeto do our best to raise the children that we have so this fluidity of the gender role with women I think what I'm noticing is the men are having a little bit of a hard time catching up because

Desireethere's so many of us that are just kind of like could do it all and they're still used to either a traditional woman or a progressive RVE women and I think they're kind of having a hard time

Desireedeciding for themselves almost what type do I want or you know what I mean cuz I think they have fears with both types you hear the argument that the one side they're afraid of the gold digger women who just want to like live off them but

Desireethen on the other side they're afraid of like the modern Progressive woman who could just leave them at the drop of a hat so it's kind of like so I need to allow the rest of the panelists to answer this here but um just going back

Brian Atlasto you really quick did you uh you said even if a man could fully provide for you you'd still want to work is that correct so like you married let's say you you want to get married yeah let's say you married a guy who's making

Benedettamillions of dollars a year still work yeah okay I I don't know which work like maybe I not put myself into like a 12 hours a day work but yeah I would

Brian Atlasdefinitely do still work okay what if he well what if he wanted you to stay at home I would say no do you want kids yeah how many kids four you want four

Benedettakids yeah wouldn't that be a job uh yeah but I think that you can figure it out in two like if I work and you work we like we organize things mhm it's not so

Brian Atlaswould you would you want him to pay for he could certainly afford it but would you want him to pay for daycare like a nanny have somebody take care of the kids while you went out and worked or I I would pay for that you

Brian Atlassaid you're you're studying well you went to in Italy you got a degree in mechanical engineer yeah I mean so once you finish with are you going to go get a PhD or what's your plan I would like

Benedettato do it and then once you enter the work once you enter the workforce how much money do you think you'll be making I don't know I hope a lot because

BenedettaI'm studying a lot to earn a lot and to be like I I don't really like I've dat to like poor guys

Benedettaand and the thing is that I I want to be like able to to date whoever I want because I connect with them and not like

Benedettabe in like a stress stress situation for the money so like I went to ear my money and then organized the family with with

Benedettasomeone that it's not only about like the money you know mhm and who works I mean I would stay I would stay with someone that stays at at home and I work

Brian Atlasso if you could pick between a guy who makes um let's say $50,000 a year which means you're going

Brian Atlasto have to work two and you you are going to have four kids also or somebody who makes a million dollars a year and you'll never have to work which do you pick I will pick the one that I want to

Benedettastay with like if I need someone you got to pick one yeah but you can say like in this way if because it's very like uh a mind thing but all equal I think is what

Benedettahe saying like you're equally for the two yeah they're both good men but one of them you're going to have to work and the other I I think that I would choose

Benedettathe one where I I have to work because I have my financial like Freedom so like but you guys are married right I don't care I that's not a point like a lot of

Benedettapeople get separated get divorce get whatever I I grew up in a family uh where my parents were your uh the thing is that if you're married or not it

Benedettadoesn't it doesn't matter like you obviously you're you stay with your your wife or your husband but it can

Benedettaend whenever whenever I mean I don't know if that's like kind a European Vision but a lot of people did you intend to live in Italy like what's your you want to stay here

Benedettayou want I would like to stay here but I don't know if I'm going to stay all my life or I'm going to change it or go back let's say but I mean in this situation you do get divorced from a guy who makes millions of

Brian Atlasdollars your financial stabil stability is potentially arguably going to be better than your financial stability should you marry somebody who makes less than you so let's say you go

Benedettaon to make $150,000 but I don't want to ask mine to the other like if if our our relationship ends or what whatever I

TTS/Donationsdon't want to ask money to the other and okay that's fair techn Trooper donated $200 panel what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner when

Brian Atlasconsidering someone to marry or date what about those careers makes them especially appealing to you uh techn Trooper we'll come right

Brian Atlasback to that in just a moment but uh I'll pull that one back up okay techno uh so okay um reaction to the clip that we

Desireesaw oh um uh I kind of started thinking about

Desireelike other things like listening to her um but but like MoneyWise I mean money is like a benefit for sure I hope to

Andrew Wilsonmake enough as well to be financially independent to where I don't uh well the uh the reiteration just real quick right just the reiteration of the clip is if a man wants to have a woman who's going to

Andrew Wilsonbe traditional and stay at home then he needs to be in a position where she can do that by being a provider who can uh provide enough to enable her to do

Desireethat um I mean I think that's I think you can be a traditional Man without being there yet like financially like you can have tra

DesireeTraditional Values and expectations um so yeah that's what I would say I mean I kind of disagree but I also think like traditional women probably want

Jade Martintraditional men H okay your thoughts on the video um I mean I agree with her I grew up in a traditional household so my mom's a

Jade Martinstay-at-home mom my dad has provided since they were like 14 years old so that's what I want to but I also

Jade Martindon't expect a guy that I meet to be fully there yet you know I'm still young and this is a different generation so if

Jade Martinthat's just not possible I would be willing to work but sure I would like to be a stay-at-home mom your reaction to the video um well I feel like if you're

Cheyenne McGeea traditional man then you should be actively looking for a traditional woman I think um men would Pro like have expectations than they expect you to change with them um me personally I prefer I would like a

Cheyenne McGeehouse husband that's the partner I want to look for cuz um what is that what is a house husband the roles the roles have switched so so you make the money he stays at home takes care of the kids basically basically take care of the kids take care of the home and do the

Cheyenne McGeecooking and cleaning cuz I don't I'd rather be like I don't want to stay at home and do that like I I tried the traditional way I was not happy whatsoever um I love science I rather be in a lab doing research and I want to

Andrew Wilsonjust find a partner who's willing to stay home and take care of my home can you uh can you help me out with something real quick um you uh you said that you love science I'm also a big fan

Andrew Wilsonof uh science can you just tell me real quick um what the scientific process is um like the scientific method yeah so let's see oh they testing me on this too

Cheyenne McGeeI guess ask a question create a hypothesis conduct an experiment um see if it's null or

Cheyenne McGeewhatsoever and then it has to be repeatable the results have to be repeatable it has to be repeatable and testable so yeah well close

Brian Atlasenough so you want a house husband yes okay and [Music] um was this part of the conflict with

Brian Atlasyou you and youre relationship the sperm donor guy or whatever that you said um actually he was the one staying at home taking care of everything um oh you had you had what

Brian Atlasyou wanted it just toxic remember they could very very toxic they couldn't even watch TV together oh that's true is

Brian Atlastrue um okay um house husband so it was the right setup wrong guy kind of oh

Brian Atlasright now I'm not working I'm a full um full fulltime student slm so oh okay um you live with like parents or no I have my own spot oh okay but you're not

Brian Atlasworking well I have family p child okay but he pays child support the or no he doesn't pay child support the sperm donor no would he be upset if he heard

Brian Atlasyou call him a sperm donor I call him that all the time no to his face yes like you dropping off the kids you [ __ ] sperm donor I mean when we get angry yes I call him

Cheyenne McGeethat I don't but yes I I've told it to his face before um I mean I said a lot of mean things so I feel kind of bad damn all right um your reaction to the oh I gave my you I did have a response

Rebeccato what you're too far from the mic by way sorry sorry my bad um I did have a response to what she said about how something about how men are afraid to something about men having fear about what their woman wants or something like

Desireethat well I think maybe they're having a hard time with the fluidity that women have found as far as like being a prog being with a progressive Woman versus a traditional so I don't agree with that

Rebeccaand here's why um women have asked literally through feminism to take on the roles men already have women women were in the traditional role you know

Rebeccafor for eons and just up until the last what 50 60 years they have wanted to take on more masculine roles like having a job outside the home and so I don't

Rebeccafeel like men have a fear of that at all they're sitting back and looking like saying that okay here's what we're giving you rights we're giving you all these extra things well I just think

Rebeccathat women in general gave a mixed message so in that in that respect women have literally asked to take on these extra things and men are sitting back

Rebeccalet me finish so um so in that regard we're taking on these roles by choice we're taking on these extra things by choice and men are sitting back and saying okay you wanted

Desireethis let's see you work I let's see you let's see I think the real problem is you have got to stop interrupting honestly sorry I'm autistic I'm done um the way that I see it is that just

Desireebecause feminism posed itself as what every woman wanted that's not the case there were tons of women who were perfectly happy me being one of them perfectly happy with like the

Andrew Wilsontraditional whole life role of like getting married having kids raising the kids being the St home life [ __ ] talking about you absolutely hated it you write all about it in your book how

Andrew Wilsonmuch you hated the traditional lifestyle you wanted to work in the worst way you were totally oppressed by the patriarchy you wrote an entire [ __ ] book

Desireeoutlining this it's because I was simply married like in your case right position but wrong man like very very wrong man

Andrew Wilsonand so I had a very bad experience you women against this exact type of relationship and tell them that it's probably bad for them to embrace their like inter seexual uh hooker basically

Desireeright that's what you to do I think you've misunderstood because you gave such a brief look through my book and just made your judgment but what I was

Desireereally expressing is that what I was really expressing was that I was never taught how to pick a healthy relationship therefore when I got into

Desireethe role that I believed I wanted it felt completely wrong because I was with the completely wrong guy that was more what I was getting at and so

Desireepart of my journey back to a more traditional Journey mindset involved me going through the stent of feminism like okay let me see what these girls are talking about with this that all this

Desireecraziness Freedom Liberation all the way to come back around to my next book will be like myy J back to a more

Andrew Wilsontraditional um female or nuring TR wait there's no tradition here what do you mean you're you you're an only Fan sex worker you're

Desireethat you're not tra by no means have you circled back to a traditional I'm a stay-at-home homeschool mom of three kids that's as traditional as I can be right now I don't have a what is okay so

Andrew Wilsonwhat does traditional mean does that just mean a man goes and works while you stay the [ __ ] home is that all you think traditional is or is there a set of values with that I think it means prioritizing um home economics and

Andrew Wilsonraising children if you have them so so then it doesn't mean [ __ ] so all it means is a woman stays home and she watches the kids and the man goes

Desireeout and works that's all you think traditional is no I believe it's the it's the general submission of the woman and the general leadership and dominance

Desireeof the man if there was one in my case I don't have one so that part of the tradition is not in my life now every non-traditional relationship on planet

Andrew WilsonEarth can have all women submitting to men all of them and it would still be as far from traditional as you can imagine they could do something like F I don't know uh all the women go out and work

Andrew Wilsonand the man stays home and the woman still submits to him right like all of the criteria that you just laid out for traditional from it just sounds like gobbl to me like there has to be some value set that we're looking for that

Desireewe're leaning towards for why we're doing this I'm speaking from I'm not speaking from like a capitalistic domestic Business Partnership I'm talking about like an agape love like

DesireeSoul connection with another human where you're both in it to win it with each other a ride or die like so basically we can switch in an out of roles depending on the season we're each going through

Andrew Wilsonso for example I just if well maybe maybe it's not then maybe it's a blend maybe it's a a more sounds like just typical modernism literally just sounds like modernism to me like traditionalism

Andrew Wilsonthe idea of traditionalism is is historically a thing an experiment which worked and so you're moving back towards whatever this thing was that worked because it's better than whatever the current thing

Desireeis well because we've evolved Andrew so we no longer live in a social construct that's going to support traditional traditionalism if you want

Andrew Wilsonto call it that it's not gonna work anymore it won't work anymore we've simply involved too far we haven't not only that people people are desperate to get back to some sense of what you call

Andrew Wilsontraditionalism by your own admission including you so the thing is is like no I don't think we've evolved past [ __ ] and not only that uh you know just give my take the woman in the video uh is

Andrew Wilsonjust a typical kind of selfish woman so her idea here it all starts with this false supposition of the word fair this entire worldview revolves around this idea of fairness life's not fair

Andrew Wilsonrelationships aren't Fair marriages aren't Fair they're when you're talking about equally yolked that means something completely different than who does the dishes on Thursday that has

Andrew Wilsonnothing to do with any of that um what you're looking at inside of one of these relationships should not be the idea of

Andrew Wilsonfair it should be the idea of what works best for your family and what's always so fluidity you need to beu let me finish Des it's okay Des let me finish

Andrew Wilsonreal quick what works best for your family Dynamic and so the traditionalists are saying what works best for society and the family Dynamic is to have women stay at home to raise the kids not in Laboratories and the

Andrew Wilsonreason they don't want women in Laboratories is because then they have to Outsource the child care so I want the smartest women at home raising the next generation of SM kids right that's what I want that

Andrew Wilsonmake a lot more sense than wasting their potential and breeding years on having them in a in a job that a man can do so the idea here is that the traditionalist

Andrew Wilsonmovement is saying modernity is screwed up with the our priorities set because women have become extremely self-centered around this idea of fair

Andrew Wilsonwhen in fact there is nothing fair when we don't have to sign up for for instance that's not fair women are not the people have to defend you while you sleep that's not fair all sorts of things which aren't fair but yet for some reason men are able to deal with it

Andrew Wilsonand women don't seem to be able to deal with

Desireeit are you done mhm so couple things first of all I was enlisted to go into the US military but I got pregnant

Desireeand I had to sign a military discharge so I was fine as a woman going into the military just a caveat but I will say it sounds to me it sounds to me like by your

Desireedefinition I am actually a traditional woman because I have made many sacrifices to figure out a way to still be a stay-at-home mom and a homeschool

Desireemom at that of my three kids and not work outside the home I figured out a home business that I could do that made enough money with me only working a few hours a week and by the way that's not

Desireemaking new content because I have tons and tons of content from when the kids used to go to their dads every weekend so they were never around any of that it's it's no different than how you made your online courses now it's there and

Desireeall you have to do is promotions basically same for me so judge it all you want that was what worked for me that was like the supply and demand I tried to do like the online coaching thing writing books whole thing and

Andrew Wilsonnobody was going for it I really don't think that what we mean when we say traditional lifestyle is your mom stays home because she can also engage in prostitution I don't think that that is traditional I don't think about

Andrew Wilsonanybody's metric that would ever be considered traditional Desiree ever and so the thing is is I'm not even trying to beat you up about I'm just telling you like how would that ever fit a metric for traditional we want the best

Andrew Wilsonand brightest to stay at home and take care of their kids instead of being in a lab not hookers right that's not what we're after like maybe the hookers should Outsource the child care so could

Desireeyou could you tell me a better way that I could make let's say $6,000 a month and only work a couple hours a week because I have to full-time take care of three kids I would do instead yeah well

Andrew Wilsonof course there's there's tons of other better ways that you could have spend your time to 6000 hang hang on stop T REM me answering your question so the first supposition here is that you must make $6,000 a week why

Andrew Wilsonmust you because that's how much my cost of living is oh okay so you can't downgrade there's no way I live in Southern California I live in Southern California my rent alone is $2,700 wait wait I just want to make

Andrew Wilsonsure I got this right Southern California costs $24,000 a month to live in huh no 24,000 I said 6,000 a week no 6,000 a month a month honey a month make $6,000 a month in Southern California

Andrew Wilsonworking an entry-level job desire but then who's going to watch the kids who's going to homeschool my kids yeah you're in that case because you're a single mom you're going to have to Outsource that there's no chice there but why but I

Desireedon't want to I would rather have a bad reputation with guys like you and raise my own kids I don't give a [ __ ] what you think and many many men have Grace and understanding for my choices because

Andrew Wilsonthey understand Point you're making my point for me right which is okay so what you say is look I'm actually just prostituting myself for the kids right because I want to be able to stay at

Andrew Wilsonhome with the kids yet I would C her and say okay but the Integrity is is absolutely comparable your children are never going to thank you later they're never going to be like you know Mom my kids are not raised in a

Desireelike a in a puritanical like negative type of culture going to get to the age of this is a totally different generation Andrew they're not not sexually repressed like

Andrew Wilsonyour generation is they're cool the women in the 7s were so sexually repressed tell me another [ __ ] [ __ ] lie they weren't sexually repressed at all Boomers weren't sexually repressed that's all nonsense

Andrew Wilsonover sexualized generation in fact the thing is is that this is the first generation the Zoomers where we see push back towards this type of sexualization for once finally and if you think that

Desireeyour kids won't hit the Age of Reason and go you know Mom I think that there might have been better they're going through two of the two older ones are going through puberty so they're kind of at that questioning everything and this no they're not at it yet but when

Desireethey're in their 20s you're going to have some SP I believe that my relationship with my children is is strong enough such that even if they had looked back and had an issue with what I

Desireewas doing I don't think it would be any bigger of an issue than any any person who comes of age and starts judging what their parent did I don't think it will be in fact I can say for sure it's not

Andrew Wilsongoing to be worse than my evaluation of my parents I'll tell you that so at least I'm like doing a little bit better not all choices not all choices when you [ __ ] something up are optimal choices so

Andrew Wilsonfor instance if you are in a marriage and you choose to end the marriage cuz like you said in your book you're not feeling like [ __ ] like you're an

Desireeamazing queen or whatever um Mar because I was under I was under CPS order basically to leave my marriage or I would get my kids taken away as an

Andrew Wilsonaccomplice anyway so so so whatever the circumstances are you end up with a divorce okay so when you end up with a divorce now you're in an immediate unop or unoptimal situation which is okay now

Andrew Wilsonwe either have to split custody or one of us has full custody you have a whole battle that you have to do around that so now you don't have optimal choices at this point okay but there's still better choices to be had I think than posting

Andrew Wilsonup pictures of you with jizz on your face that I think that there's better decisions which could be made than that honestly Desiree and the thing is is like fine you can say no you know Andrew but what this has done is it's allowed

Andrew Wilsonme to have enough money to do a b c and d but that's all [ __ ] for you you just love the [ __ ] attention you're not doing this [ __ ] because of your kids you do it cuz you love the [ __ ] attention you

Andrew Wilsonjust love it it's your favorite and I think that you should just stop coping and be honest about it may I add something may I add something go ahead

Rebeccaum so some other options I I my kids are 19 uh going on 20 and 16 going on 17 back when they were young both of them I was a lucky enough and um we are able to um provide for the household so that I

Rebeccacould be a stay-at home mom for a few few years while they were little during that time I didn't work during that time I found other Pursuits that were maintaining of my self-respect and my dignity and the respect of my family

Rebeccamembers and friends I started a business and ran that business from home where I was the seamstress I made clothes I made uh prom dresses for underprivileged

Rebeccafemales in high school and I did you know alterations fully made clothes that was a fully sustainable business for me and it provided extra income for the family not for myself but for my family

Rebeccaand helping raising my kids and that is something that I feel is an alternative use your skill and unfortunately okay so in the second time when my son was born

Rebeccaand he was until the age of two I was able to uh sit down and put words on paper and and I have yet to put that into actual publishing so I have a book waiting to be put out so there's that on

Rebeccathe table and right now even though I'm working full-time I'm not a stay-at-home mom I'm looking into starting another business and doing you know like organic skincare stuff like that so those are all those are respectable things

TTS/DonationsI what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to marry or date what about those careers makes them especially appealing to

Brian Atlasyou is that a repeat what is that a repeat it was from before we didn't we didn't answer it I told them we'd come back to it so what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in the partner when considering someone to

Desireedate or marry go ahead um mine would be entrepreneurship and specifically in social media like social media marketing basically social media presence and what

Desireeabout you uh I think psychology is a great skill that I would value a lot so like a therapist or anything that has a psychology

Brian Atlasdegree you sure about that one oh what okay all right uh well I mean um I mean money is good too but you want a datea therapist so you can tell them

Desireeall your problems well hopefully I'm like so you can get like free therapy basically hope well I just think they're like more emotionally in tuned are they well they

Desireeshould be why is that because if you're a therapist I think you should well you should have more skills than the average person Desiree aren't you a therapist

Desireeyeah and it's it's an odd thing because to be honest with you we we get very almost calloused because we hear so many crazy things so in a lot of ways we start to almost lack empathy because we

Brian Atlashear it over and over the most horrific things so that's why a lot of people think I'm literally like a narcissist or a psychopath or something that's right just one correction so I know she's sitting right next to you but like the

Desireeway the camera angles work just talk straight straight keep your head straight into the mic go ahead yeah so it's not what people would think when you are in a clinical setting or in any sort of setting where people are coming

Desireeand telling you like their deepest traumas or confessing to you things that they have done especially after 10 15 20 years of that as I did in church

Desireecounseling and all this stuff um and now even in doing only fans a lot of my chats are people I'm sorry I have to interrupt you psychology is a soft science what a great use of four years

Brian Atlastoed to get a degree to be a receptionist desire on one hand and like you don't need to equip every single time like sometimes you can just not

Brian Atlasequip like you're just throwing like you're you have to add on after everything every time somebody says something you don't got to do that okay because this show will go way too long

Brian Atlasif I have to go to her then you have to say a statement I go to her you do a little quip I go to her you got to make a statement about it I go to Morgan you make a statement just keep it pertinent

Brian Atlasokay you don't got to like you've been talking for 30 minutes you've talked more than she has and it's her thing okay just like it's just people

Brian Atlasjust my autism so I when I'm passionate about that's C people who are autistic don't have to like constantly be like let me let me be the center of attention

Andrew Wilsonand add on to what everybody else is saying well well what it does is it triggers it triggers my autism so if you can keep your autism under control so that I can keep my autism under control

Andrew Wilsonthat would be fantastic it also triggers my autism I told Tri triggers are Au triggers everybody's autism when you're being autistic so if you can just dial that my autism is going out of control

Brian Atlasright now okay um so okay you want a data therapist um cool what about you um just don't be homeless well okay the question is what are the top professions

Brian Atlasyou feel most drawn to in the partner drawn to [Music] I haven't thought about that are there any professions where you're like oh that that would be kind of attractive

Jade Martinlike if they're doctor or a lawyer or something like that I think a therapist and a doctor I'd consider

Jade Martinattractive I never thought about that I so a therapist I dated a homeless guy never thought about that okay all right what about you profession I don't think

BenedettaI have any like I would someone that what he likes I don't know like I don't feel I I don't okay so so here let me let me make this easy so

Brian Atlasyou're saying if I present to you two men who are about the same treat you well whatever one of them's a doctor and the other works at McDonald's you're not going to have you're not going to have

Benedettaeven like a little preference towards the doctor yeah yeah I do but I don't have like one one specific job I mean you I

Brian Atlasdid it a guy that was a a c surf extractor so like uh Morgan anything for you football player yeah pro athlete pro athlete there you go okay NFL or NBA or

Cheyenne McGeewhat we any I don't NFL maybe NFL okay all right what about you um I would either choose like a chef or um a physicist preferbly quantum physics or a scientist

Rebeccareally that's specific cool cool anything for you uh given your example I would obviously choose the doctor in your example given um but overall I I really don't give any thought um I would consider the McDonald's worker or the

Rebeccathe you know mhm I'd never really considered that in in the equation of considering a partner what about you maybe like a lawyer

Brian Atlaslawyer okay what kind of lawyer Maritime um I'm not sure it could be any any lawyer okay and then we had Hillary Epstein psychology soft science what a

Brian AtlasGrace use of four years to get a get a degree to be a receptionist that's from Hillary Epstein thank you Hillary abstein appreciate that let's do some more reacts let's

Brian Atlasmove it along uh if you can pull it up Austin yep what do you want to react well just what whichever one's already up okay it should already be up is it

Brian Atlasf11 yes okay uh this is Jade wait can you zoom it out a bit it's like super zoomed okay oh wait uh Zoom it out

Brian Atlasmore now you might be wondering why why I pulled this up I noticed you cropped out a guy there who's like blasted in

Brian Atlastats My Bodyguard is your wait you have a bodyguard kind of he's like my family members oh okay related yeah okay he's like I thought it was like maybe a

Brian Atlasboyfriend or something like blasted oh he's gay yeah oh okay cool all right uh let's do the next one Austin if can get the next one going uh okay this is your Tik Tok so we

Brian Atlasuh we're going to react to some of the Tik toks so uh can you Mouse wheel SC make it a little bigger yeah or it's uh yeah a little bigger uh too big that's

Brian Atlasthat three yeah that's good uh so this first one I just want to know what it is about me that this is your I guess most viral one we're not going to play it don't worry I just want to know what it is about me that makes guys reject me

Brian Atlaswhile other girls my age have had multiple boyfriends in talking stages um so you're you're 24 yeah but I mean you

Jade Martindid have a boyfriend the homeless guy he would see me like twice a month so I don't know if I'd consider it a

Brian Atlasboyfriend but he was my boyfriend and so kind of that video went viral yeah uh but I'm sure you got like a lot of DMS

Jade Martinfrom guys right no no not really not really no no okay a bunch of girls a bunch of girls what did they say yeah um supportive things some lesbian woman oh

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