INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasleast yeah probably okay well I'll just leave it there so before we come back to the thing uh you said you do you have a

Andrew Wilsoncrush yeah do you have a crush currently yeah who's that uh privacy is it the guy you went on a date with yeah how come you don't you send

Jade Martinhim the photos directly like why would you need them to be public I mean I haven't posted anything recently other than selfies yeah but but just in

Andrew Wilsongeneral why wouldn't you just send him the pics instead of posting them publicly yeah I would if I had a boyfriend I would no not a boyfriend you

Andrew Wilsonsaid a crush you're posting those so that your crush sees them yet there's a way I can think of where you're your crush could see them instantly and nobody else could so then it was just

Desireefor the crush why wouldn't you just send them to the crush are you trying to let him be like lead it's kind of like the idea of dropping let her answer please Des yeah

Jade MartinI I mean I think it's kind of awkward just sending someone a picture I guess it's kind of normal but um have you tagged your crush in any of these photos

Andrew Wilsonno I'm not we're not of course not no never tag never tag let ask you let me ask you the final question have you ever

Andrew Wilsonactually sent your crush directly these photos No I barely started talking so to get this right you post

Andrew Wilsonthe photos for your crush you never actually send the pictures to your crush and on top of that you've never even tagged your crush in any of these pictures but Andrew please believe that

Jade Martinthese are just for my crush I didn't say they were just for my crush I didn't say that they were solely for that um but no if I think that's a

Jade Martinboyfriend situation like if you're taking selfies and pictures you send them to your boyfriend first then post see what he thinks at least that's that

Andrew Wilsonwould that would be what that's what I would do so you had a boyfriend you would post you would post you would post pictures in your bra and panties if you

Andrew Wilsonhad a boyfriend to the public at large to see what he thought no if no I didn't say that well then what did what did I get wrong there I said

Jade Martinthat posting if I had a boyfriend yes that would make sense send the send him the pictures you know if it was

Jade Martinprovocative and he didn't like it then don't post post it but I'm not in that situation I don't have a boyfriend but I thought you posted them for your crush

Jade Martinthat's not my boyfriend yeah but if you post them for a crush why don't you just send them to your crush a crush is a crush it doesn't indicate that you're talking it doesn't indicate that it just yeah I know but I still don't understand

Desireewhy wouldn't you just send him to the crush because it's be guilty of it's not if he didn't ask if if the guy didn't

Andrew Wilsonask can we please maybe try to ask a final question here to yeah yeah I'll just I'll just wrap it up I just really would like to know I still really don't understand I'm trying to put my brain in

Andrew Wilsonyour brain and figure out where you're coming from right I understand the eating disorder stuff I understand the want for male attention because of you know etc etc I don't actually understand

Andrew Wilsonthe idea of I want to entice my Crush by not sending him these pictures specifically but instead putting them out public without ever even tagging him

Jade Martinso he doesn't even know I'm his crush doesn't that sound 100% like [ __ ] cope I mean they sound like cope no there are situations where you're just not talking to them they

Desireedon't even know each other closely she's not going to randomly send him a sexy photo it's just like a less aggressive photos did you send Brian well I'm aggressive and you guys told me that it

Andrew Wilsonwas sa so I haven't even well maybe I have I don't know it it if you have somebody in your brain Desiree who you want to entice I feel

Desireewilling to send them the photos but I do I I use Brian like my muse so when I make my Instagram posts for example I'm making them for

TTS/Donationshim no donated $500 non insufferable women are talking Desy sh mute Desiree again please oh thank God mut the best thing ever that

Andrew Wilsonyou've ever done Desiree for this show is get muted uh anyway I'm happy to move it on from there Brian all right and listen I am really glad you you

TTS/Donationsdetransition I'm very happy for you right but on this you can see that there's a huge inconsistency here old man marine donated

TTS/Donations$100 Jade you're constantly putting yourself in the F only category with pcks like that your crush may like these photos and brag about being with you but

Jade Martinthe relationship won't last I mean I guess like whatever relationship I have in the end God will decide and my life will be a testament

TTS/Donationsto what I deserve in the end um mhm oldan thank you for the message Noah donated $100 I don't make enough money for this

TTS/Donationsshow what can I do to silence Des for the rest of the show a new roof on the studio it would be less arduous than her scientific analysis of all's perspective

Andrew Wilsonthank Mr Killer of cereal I'm going to actually give you the answer to this question that you desperately yearn for we are coming on 1:00 in the morning

Andrew WilsonEastern time and this tells me that if you were to send Brian two champagne pops worth of super chats meaning

Desiree$2,000 that I'm certain that we could silence for the rest of the night and I would love to see it by the way I'll just I'll sit on Kiki's lap and

Brian Atlasdrink the two bottles I can't because you're [ __ ] muted you're muted should I I feel like I should change the the microphone mute to like one of the shut

Brian Atlasup things like shut the [ __ ] up oh this one maybe this one shut the [ __ ] up okay shut the [ __ ] up maybe I don't know maybe I'll change the noise of the the the TTS trigger kill of cial good to see

Brian Atlassee you in the chat man appreciate it thank you for the message old man when we when are we going to get his uh his Avatar up there I'm working on it I need to it's hard to find something serial

Andrew Wilsonrelated so so hang on Mr E came up with Captain Crunch mixed with C uh count chocula I feel like that's a great

Brian AtlasAvatar it could work it could work it could work uh so okay let's get through a couple of these things here so uh you mentioned your crush right I had a couple questions on this it was an

Jade Martinexample but you went on one date with this guy yeah how long have you known him uh about 3 weeks how did you meet him hinge oh hinge he's your crush at

Jade Martinthe moment yeah I don't oh my gosh I don't really like guys I don't just fall for them

Jade Martineasily you don't fall for guys easily no I don't it's very hard for me to actually crush on someone whole grinder

Jade Martinguy okay you fell from kind of easily um i' liked the total of well I've crushed on a total of three guys in my life I think is this

Brian Atlasunrequited I don't know okay um cuz you said you went on a date a week ago a week ago you're being a little maybe vague or evasive on this yeah sounds like maybe there's not are

Brian Atlasyou stalking him is that what you're telling me uh I'm not going to go into detail whoa you're stalking no no I'm no it's you're stalking him no it's too recent I don't want to talk about you

Brian Atlasshowed up at his house unannounced no wait did you guys hook up no oh okay wait a question on that really quick um are you now like

Jade Martinwaiting periods of time before you'll hook up with somebody I want to wait until I'm officially a girlfriend so what if they make you girlfriend on the

Brian Atlasfirst dat like you're my girlfriend would you if my current Crush yes you would have carnal

Jade Martinknowledge I think I would wait a while after being a girlfriend wait that's like two different answer you said so you said yes for your current CR yes I would have to be a girlfriend first but

Jade MartinI'd also have to wait a little how long would you wait I don't know it depends I don't know

Jade Martinit depends on couple month a couple weeks yeah a month sure is that a fair yeah month that's a hard sell jade

Brian Atlasthat's a hard sell how you going to match with a guy on a grinder on grinder at 8:00 p.m. meet up with him at 3:00 a.m. you got to do a switch on a split

Brian Atlason this okay maybe a week how are you going to do all that go to his truck in the what was it a seven 11 parking lot GMD gy donated $100 Circle you are just

TTS/Donationsbeing first trap gas St you are searching for the wrong attention and will get it be a conservative like you say you are and take them down leave the

Brian Atlaswhoring to deseri I like I just think like it's kind of like uh when it comes to the whole the bikini thing or whatever like the revealing photos it's

Jade Martinlike if you're just going to claim lib I don't I don't give a [ __ ] but it's like I just don't think Lial women should be the only on let me ask you a question right like if somebody was said they were a

Brian Atlasvegan but you saw them eating meat every single week you'd be like yeah you're not a vegan you're eating meat I just don't know why liberal is synonymous

Brian Atlaswith well part of so part of conservatism has to do with like maintaining tradition being traditional part of that has to do with modesty within the Christian faith modesty as I

Jade Martinsaid I'm not doing anything that my relatives that's not even an argument your relatives wouldn't do yeah my female relatives I so that that I'm not

Brian Atlassure if that's like they're religious I I don't know I don't think [Music] I'm okay so can you just you're

Brian AtlasChristian right uh if somebody doesn't believe in Jesus can they be Christian I just know okay but there's certain components of the faith that they have to adhere to to be considered

Brian AtlasChristian right okay so like I get that I guess your mom and your sister they would post thirst

Jade Martintraps my sister was a model yeah when she was my age okay but so it's kind of

Brian Atlaslike part of being conservative and Christian there's like a modesty component to it I don't think think in

Jade Martinmy opinion that's not what that means I think it means how you carry yourself and so just to be clear come across I don't think it's about what you

Jade Martinwear I mean I think it depends on the situation well but what does that mean how you carry yourself what does that mean I think I can wear the same thing

Andrew Wilsonas a trashy woman and we would not come across the same that's possibly true but what if you wore nothing I wouldn't wear nothing yeah but why

Andrew Wilsonnot because because be naked what I'd be naked and the problem with that is what about how what if you

Andrew Wilsoncarried yourself just really in a Regal Way while you were naked but I'm not naked yeah I know but

Andrew Wilsonif you were naked though I think that's entirely different why because you're naked yeah I know I

Andrew Wilsonknow you're naked but I thought it was all about how you carried yourself it is with clothing yes I mean I don't think well I don't understand I don't understand the distinction here if

Andrew Wilsonyou're wearing almost no clothing versus wearing no clothing what is the distinction in how you carriers like for instance if you took off your dress and just walked down the street with your BR

TTS/Donationspanties is there a certain way you that let us know Des shut up this isn't for you Jade I can't tell if you're lying or confused as a dad you

Andrew Wilsonseem lost and trying all the wrong approaches to find happiness it's sad to see yeah I well I do have to dive into this I'm just wondering if you walk down

Andrew Wilsonthe street in your Braun panties how are you caring yourself differently than if you were walking down the street with nothing on I don't wear anything

Jade Martinappropri as I said those outfits they were all situational I swear this they were a rave outfit or Halloween uh party well well hang on I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot even talking about those I'm talking about this idea of how you carry yourself yeah so how could you carry yourself down the street with your Braun panties versus

Andrew Wilsonnaked hang on that would make a distinction in people's minds about what it is you were about I didn't say BR and PES so I don't understand the carry

Jade Martinyourself thing then what does that mean are you being flashy are you being it's just how you carry yourself

Andrew Wilsonyeah I mean you're just restating the thing I'm asking how how what is the thing about caring yourself you say it's about how you carry yourself I agree okay to

TTS/Donationsconcede stream RI donated $100 to the chick that disagrees with Andrew on aborts Nevada law already protects abortion up to 24 weeks

TTS/Donationsbrutally late now they are trying to allow 9month aborts can we agree no on

Brian Atlasfullterm abort wow Dam um should I answer um you don't want to do it we we

Brian AtlasI'll have to pull it back up later um it's just uh stre uh dream or whatever I'll just very quickly finish this um stream thank you man I I I just want to

Andrew Wilsonknow very briefly the idea of it's how you carry yourself which is what Brian challenged can

Brian AtlasI I'm not wait wait okay let hold on let me frame it like this okay so let's say a girl did porn and only

Brian Atlasfans and did gang bangs but she carried herself like really well I did not say that I'm not okay can you engage with a

Brian Atlashypothetical so but she did porn would you but she says well I'm a I'm a good Christian I'm a conservative I'm traditional but she does gang bangs and porn and all that [ __ ] that's not the

Brian Atlassame thing I think that's okay yes there's degrees to it obviously can she claim to be a traditional conservative woman nowhere in that scripture say I

Brian Atlascan't no uh nowhere what no nowhere so just to be clear God's totally cool with you dressing like super revealing out in

Jade Martinpublic no issue with it there's no component of modesty when it comes to Christianity I think modesty is not that I don't think it has anything to do with showing

Jade Martinskin then why can't you walk down the [ __ ] Street naked and be modest I mean revealing your genitals is something you just said it has nothing

Andrew Wilsonto do with revealing your skin yes skin not genitals oh oh I'm sorry is that not skin wait wait hold on

Brian Atlaswhat hang on now no you hold on how is that not revealing your skin wait hold on there is actually something in the Bible I just Googled it there's something in the Bible about this the bible

TTS/Donationsteach old man marine donated $100 for all that is in the world the lust of the Flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the

Andrew Wilsonfather but is of the world first John 2:16 old man marine thank you for the message uh thank you for the TTS appreciate it man so it Brian I am so confused can you unconfuse us here I'm

Brian Atlasso confused by this so I mean I I just Googled it I just Googled modesty Christianity and it says uh Christians should dress modestly and be conscious

Brian Atlasof the shamefulness of public nakedness for example 1 Timothy 2 uh 8 to10 says that women should Adorn themselves in respectable apparel with modesty and

Brian Atlasself-control so now that I've quoted you something directly from the Bible do you want to walk back your position or I

Andrew Wilsondon't I mean I don't think I'm I'm not wearing okay I have self control I'm not being I'm not like that can

Andrew Wilsonsomething but here but here's the thing I understand so so I think I can steal man what you're saying listen I'm dressing provocatively but how you carry

Andrew Wilsonyourself is an entailment I know who I am how how I would actually behave towards a person has nothing to do with how I'm dressing

Andrew Wilsonis that is that essentially what you're say yes okay that's ask you if that is the case why couldn't you walk down the street

Andrew Wilsontotally naked and just carry yourself in a certain way because genitals are not the same so then if you just wore two little tiny tassels around your nipples

Andrew Wilsonand they just covered and then just cover the vagina and then the ass crack with like a a small thin strap what would be the problem

Jade Martinthere I'm not saying that me personally I believe it depends on this situation like I would not dress

Jade Martinin anything little in front of anybody's parents and as I said those you're dressing online like that in front of people's parents you don't give a [ __ ] I was going to say that those were all

Brian Atlassituational there were Halloween parties there were costumes I don't just dress like that but yo yo yo it's okay hold on it's one thing even if we grant that in these situations allow to wear bis as

Brian Atlaseven if we grant that it was situationally okay when you go ahead and post it on the internet without the context there's

Benedettacontext pull up her her dating profile again please go ahead make your point no I was thinking that like on the

BenedettaBible like christianism or whatever says that you should not ook up ook up yeah before marriage you should not get divorced you should not like do a lot of stuff I don't know I'm not Christian so

Benedettaright so like uh I don't think that Christan do all this stuff so if sure so I I I don't do this kind of things but I think that if

Andrew Wilsonyou're confident with that and you feel good whatever like I mean well do you think you

Benedettathink God go ahead go ahead no that if we put like all this stuff on like uh your religion I don't think like

Benedettait's it's the point I don't know so what is the point no the point is like you can ask why she does it why like

Benedettawhatever but it's not about like modesty for the christianism or whatever because if if someone has to I I think I mean if

Andrew Wilsonyou're a Christian you should do everything then like what happens so so what happens if you claim the reason that I believe the things I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve is due to the fact that I'm a Christian and then you move against the very ethics of the thing which is being

Andrew WilsonChristian how do you reconcile that sorry I didn't understand so let let us let us assume

Andrew Wilsonso you're in Greek right or you're Greek is that what you said no I said it Italian Italian yeah Italian yeah orthodox

TTS/DonationsI mean what am I wearing that the other hang hang guy in pink shirt donated $100 love the show watching a few hours behind we should encourage men to not be

TTS/Donationsafraid of rejection it builds character and confidence encouraging women to approach men only feminizes men more all right uh thank you for the TTS

Andrew Wilsonman appreciate it so uh uh I'm sorry Catholic or Orthodox Catholic no I'm nothing I'm uh yeah I know but but you

Andrew Wilsonwere born Catholic yeah yeah yeah born so you were baptized Catholic yeah yeah and what do the Catholics think about photos like that yeah I know I know what

Benedettathey say like that's not not something Catholic like you you should not do that you should

Benedettanot get divorced you should not um do a lot of stuff so like and I know a lot

Benedettaand you should not judge I I went to um like the Catholic School yeah and I met a lot of people uh that judge gays that

Andrew Wilsonuh said did [ __ ] and they were like but you don't consider yourself a Catholic right no I I don't right but imagine if

Benedettasomebody did and then did those things would you say they were catholic I say that I saw I saw so many

Benedettapeople doing it and saying that they're Catholic that I think that we they were wrong right they weren't they weren't acting in a way that was Catholic they don't follow all the rules but I think

Andrew Wilsonthat now we're in a period that a lot of like yeah but I don't know I don't say I get it I get it listen you can say people should be able to do whatever

Andrew Wilsonthey want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else that's fine right I'm I'm conceding that I'm just asking asking if somebody says that they're a Catholic I

Benedettaand then does do those things are they a Catholic that's my question I think that like if someone I don't know like believes in God and says okay I'm Catholic because I believe in God and

Benedettawhatever like okay and they don't want to follow everything I mean if it feels good for them it's fine like you can oh so wait

Andrew Wilsonso the so I just want to make sure I got this right the official Catholic teaching is that if it feels good to you it's fine no no that's not a teaching that's what I think no no so what is the

Andrew Wilsonteaching so what is the teaching teaching we agree we agree that the teaching says that if we agree then are they actually Catholic if they say you

Andrew Wilsonshould do this and then they do the opposition on purpose on purpose are they are they being Catholic

TTS/DonationsI mean who cares donated $100 this is a lost conversation my mom was the old traditional kind and barely showed skin this new age traditional

Jade Martincrap isn't traditional at all BTW Morgan chin up you look very

Jade Martinbored I know my relationship with God and I know that I practice and it's very

Jade Martindeep to me and I think I'm just appreciating the femininity and femaleness that I almost lost and I don't think there's anything

Brian Atlaswrong with that but if you think that then that's fine okay here here's my position I'll I'll try to make it as simple as possible I don't care that you have revealing photos but like can can

Jade Martinyou at least concede that it's not modest yeah I mean I don't agree with like I don't read that script sure the

Brian Atlasway other people do I think okay I'm not even talking about religion at this point you're not traditional you're not really conservative I am and you're not modest

Jade Martinyou're traditional you're a traditional woman yes holy [ __ ] okay I I like oh my God I'm not doing anything different that other women my age aren't I don't understand and they're not

Brian Atlastraditional women women I I don't understand hold on you're not doing anything different that women you're that's not evidence that they're traditional or

Jade Martinthat you're traditional I think it's your and your religion I don't think it has anything to do with your appearance it has nothing to do with

Benedettayour appearance no wait sorry you had something doesn't no go ahead no just thought I don't want to say anything go ahead say no it's right can I it has nothing to do I no this is I've never

Brian Atlaseven heard this most liberal be like yeah I dress revealing and provocative and like you just own up most Lial women just own up revealing you don't think those photos are

Jade Martinrevealing yes but they were costumes I don't just go out and dress that way you literally do though I don't you literally do what am I supposed to dress like as here's a photo of you dressing this way

Andrew WilsonI don't dress this way but here's a photo of me dressing this way what am I supposed to dress like as A4 good question good question so the question to you as the self-identified Christian how are you supposed to

Jade Martindress I as I said I grew up religiously I'm not doing anything that my sister or my mom oh my God I don't even understand that argument I don't understand that

Jade Martinargument can I something I just I don't know any Christian or Catholic that just doesn't dress like me or look like me I don't know I don't know what you expect

Desireeus to look there's Catholics oh my I don't even know I mean Andre Smoke by the way I don't think that's in the Bible oh my god well I mean if we're

Andrew Wilsontalking about listening to everything the Bible says I mean come on he's heard this one so many times well if you're going to quote the Bible which book which book can we find Thou shalt not

Desireesmoke oh I I I remember vaguely the quote was uh don't don't indulge in things that are too for for for only for pleasure and addictions addiction that's

Andrew Wilsonthat's what it was an addiction oh which I think smoking is probably where can I find that I I'll bring up the quote search search can you smoke Bible That's exctly so I have the

Andrew WilsonOrthodox teachings from the original Church of Jesus Christ which I'm a part of and you know what they say about smoking do you no I'm you can you can

Andrew Wilsondefinitely interpret it bro you're going to take a big fat L on Church there's no church there's no official church doctrine on smoking they don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] about smoking bro just concede let me just help you out just

Brian Atlasconcede to Andrew you're going to take a big fat L on this just concede the point just concede the point trust me look it up smoke but Andrew you smoke wait but

Andrew WilsonI'll go look it up bro just conceed on this point just resign res why do you need to stay stay I I just I just got to ask you though uh what about alcohol

SPEAKER_14alcohol bad that's an addiction is it not I mean if you're well alcohol so is alcohol bad is drinking alcohol bad sorry that wasn't for you something else

Andrew Wilsonoh not for wait wait I just got to ask you is drinking alcohol bad from a Christian perview from a Christian perspective should drinking alcohol be bad no no I mean I don't I think they

Desireeallow alcohol like in moderation they have ceremonies that involve alcohol I'm pretty sure pretty drinking alcohol is not bad I think think chain smoking is

Andrew Wilsonprobably bad Christian addiction I I I I can go look it up but you told me not to no no no you can you can look it up I'm happy to compete with any [ __ ]

Jade Martinthat you come up with I can't wait wait so go look it up are you willing to concede that you're not

Jade Martinmodest um outside of those costumes I'd say I don't know I I I think I just

Jade Martindress like every other woman my age I don't sure see I don't see myself as any different I don't know okay hold on do

Brian Atlasyou think that the majority of men that you encounter are traditional princes are they the two D no no no

Brian Atlasanswer the question what oh my God bro holy [ __ ] I'm kind of seeing it now okay can you answer the question yeah

Brian Atlasthat I just asked no I do you think most men are traditional men no do you think most men are princes no but they're acting just like all the other men are

Brian Atlasacting I never said that oh my God you're saying I am modest because all the other women are also dressing in this way so this is the sort

Brian Atlasof status quo airgo it is within the realm of normal modesty because other women dress this way but when I reverse it when I reverse it and so you're saying well so if you're you're

Brian Atlastraditional right so all the other women traditional too some yeah I think so oh my god there are traditional women and then there are I just I I just have

TTS/Donationsone last follow-up question on this topic do you have any pictures of you GMD gim donated $100 did you ever hear the saying if everybody else jumped off of a bridge

TTS/Donationswould you you call yourself traditional and Christian but you compare yourself to the world Christians are set apartare myself to other Christians that I know and Catholics and by by the way I

Andrew Wilsondisagree with his comment or I do think you have to engage with the World As a Christian I think that that is part of being a Christian but I I will ask you this uh right this second right now as

Jade Martinwe're speaking why is what you're wearing modest um I mean it's just a dress yeah why is it

Jade Martinmodest uh I don't know I think it's just a dress I'm not dress inappropriately it's just a dress yeah what makes it not inappropriate or

Jade Martinappropriate I don't think it's inappropriate it's based on it's just a dress well I'm well the thing is is appropriate so

Andrew WilsonI mean this is where we're getting into the Crux right so I don't want to get into the oh well there's just nothing you can do where it's not bad I'm just I'm just trying to figure out the kind

Andrew Wilsonof designation of what you think is appropriate like if we can post like basically nude pictures broad panties to the Instagram and that's fine CU it's

Andrew Wilsonabout how we carry ourselves but we can also show up the whatever podcast with a very revealing Dr and let's not kid ourselves it is where's where's our line here like how do I dress differently than

Andrew Wilsonother women in my age I don't know what you expect me let's assume you don't let's assume they all dress the same way you do I'm just I'm just asking within the Christian perview not any different

Andrew Wilsonyeah but but is Christianity about doing what everybody else does or no I don't think that anybody is perfect in their

Andrew Wilsonfaith and I think I'm climing anybody's perfect in anything I'm just saying I'm just asking you right now right this second you're

Andrew Wilsonin front of God and you're justifying to him why what you're wearing is appropriate for walking around in the streets of Santa Barbara you say to him

Jade Martinin 90° weather in a dress that is almost at my knees is not inappropriate and what about at the chest my dress yeah the top it's just a

Andrew Wilsondress it's not inappropriate okay I don't feel like we ever we got any closer to what is appropriate but okay I mean I guess only God knows you

TTS/Donationsknow there is specific there's actually specific criteria for this GMD Jim donated $100 Andrew you understand in not of she

Andrew Wilsonis being of that is part of her stumbling block yeah okay so I think that that's a much fairer way of putting it you do live in the world doesn't mean you have to be of the world but I do think you should

Andrew Wilsonparticipate in the world even why you're not of it if that makes sense to you uh Jim but but here kind of back to this uh the reason I'm asking this is I'm just I'm just looking

Andrew Wilsonfor like a simple delineation point of when it's not about how you feel and when it's about what's objectively true I'm just not doing anything different that other women my age

Andrew Wilsonaren't so if all the women your age were [ __ ] a different man every night you would do that no definitely not you would if ever all the women your age smoking crack you would do that what do you expect me to dress like I it's not a

Andrew Wilsonmatter of what I expect you dress like I'm asking from I'm asking from your view if all the women your age were smoking crack why would you not smoke

Andrew Wilsoncrack because I personally wouldn't okay what about your Faith does that inform that no I just personally wouldn't okay so you don't think it has anything to do

Desireewith Christianity that you don't smell crack or no no okay all right I'm willing to leave it there Brian I got that quote

Desireefor you if you want oh can't wait to hear it okay go ahead well it's definitely interpretable but says I will not be Mastered by anything Vector

TTS/Donationsdonated $100 what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard at no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close

Andrew Wilsonto anything that could be considered Brew by the way that's from a movie a great movie Yes uh uh I think that's Billy Madison but anyway what's the

Desireequote it is I will not be everything is permissible by me but not everything is beneficial everything is permissible for me but I will not be Mastered by

Desireeanything so this this person this article that interpreted it so you could you could you could un how do you interpret it uh well I'd say you are

Andrew WilsonMastered by an addiction I think that that's that's what I mean this uh Christian do you know what the

Andrew Wilsondo you know what the passions are the passions mhm I mean do you think that you are not before you ask me before you ask me a question answer mine and then I'll

Andrew Wilsonanswer one of yours do you know what the passions are no yeah so like um anger right love you would consider those to

Andrew Wilsonbe passions right emotions sure yeah things which need to be mastered sure now let me ask you a

Andrew Wilsonquestion have you ever seen somebody uh who smokes become more induced towards love or rage or any of these passions uh no honestly no well and that's why

Andrew Wilsonyou're full of [ __ ] don't know what the [ __ ] you're talking about so the thing is is that in every other case of the drug that you might bring up you might have a good case to make because this is in reference to the passion so any other

TTS/Donationsdrug is what has happened what has happened instead is that we have taken the one drug cereal donated $100 she is being in the mindset of a freak in the sheets but just a half

TTS/Donationsnaked lady in the streets definitely of a God-fearing woman who holds herself to a higher calling as high as her nipple

Andrew Wilsonline anyway you you happen to pick the one drug that had nothing to do with the influence of the passions by your own admission great job you just told every Christian that smoking is not problematic has nothing to do with their

Andrew Wilsonpassions has nothing to do with self-mastery fantastic work thank you very muchan did tell you you would take the L take that [ __ ] L you deserve it all the way don't think I took an out

Brian Atlasokay all right a lot to get a lot to get through here um so I did want to I was trying to get to this um

Brian Atlasso I was asking you you want to wait uh a month for this new guy or whatever or a new guy uh yeah after I become a

TTS/Donationsgirlfriend yeah isn't that kind of oh sorry about that my bad I'm sorry GMD gim donated one

TTS/Donations$100 yes sandrew I most certainly understand been serving the lord for a while do you understand reading your Dono chats yeah I can't do it while

Brian Atlaswe're live streaming I'm here on whatever I'm on Brian's time we read the Dono chats after this stream thank you Jim for the uh TTS so here's where I'm a

Brian Atlaslittle confused so you previously the first guy or the first guy had sex with him within an hour of meeting him

Jade Martinbut now you want to make yeah the new guy wait a month oh oh after becoming a girlfriend I don't know as long as I'm a girlfriend first but

Brian Atlasdon't you think that's kind of I just a little silly you know no I don't want to shouldn't it have been the reverse like the guy you lose your virginity to you

Brian Atlaswait like okay you tell me this and I'm like hold on so just to be clear clear so the guy you lost your virginity to you matched with him on a

Brian Atlasgay dating app you went to a truck stop you [ __ ] him in the truck within an hour of meeting him he was homeless and bisexual

Brian Atlasyeah but here I am a good guy yeah and I have to wait a month but like you [ __ ] you lost your virginity to a homeless

Desireetruck driver and he he hit within an hour and on the first date and I got to wait that's crazy maybe she learned her lesson the hard way and changed BR

Jade Martinthat's crazy I just don't want to I've always had to update my protocol each bad experience I have I just don't want to add to my body count that is already

Jade Martinvery low to a guy that isn't going to commit to me I need to know that A Hard Sell man go ahead go ahead I need to

Jade Martinknow that he's going to commit because honestly I just I'm just want my person

Jade Martinand yeah I just want to give him me and no one else I don't just want to sleep around and I know that's kind of contradicting because of what I've

Jade Martinbeen through but um that happened because I was essed and I was just desperate to lose it consensually that

Brian Atlasdoes I'm a little confused I mean by that um wouldn't you be like you just how wait how soon after you were essayed

Desireedid this about 3 months after wouldn't it's called a grape trauma response it's very common it's a I

Andrew Wilsonmean very funny that the distinct difference between men and women men do get essayed and they get essayed often it's so interesting to me how much though the accountability for women goes

Andrew Wilsonback to I do this bad behavior because of sa it's not excused in men at all ever how do men get as say it all the time I don't well especially when they're young well h on especially when

Andrew Wilsonthey're young you do realize that this is true it happens to men as well and yet they're not allowed to use it as a

Andrew WilsonCR current bad behavior in fact Society shrugs it off they say it doesn't matter if this horrible thing happened to you you must be held to account for the thing you're currently doing and yet for

Andrew Wilsonsome reason for women they can call back to an talk yet for women they can call back to an sa story and somehow that's supposed to lend more credibility to the [ __ ] Behavior they have right now can

Jade Martinyou explain that to me I'm not excusing it um I don't like that that happened but I think it led me to where I am

TTS/Donationsnow I'm sorry donated $100 if you want commitment before sex then here's a sh fire away tell him you

TTS/Donationsonly let men hit it raw hence you need commitment and exclusivity in a relationship before hooking up yeah like for instance I could never

Andrew WilsonI could never for instance I could never excuse current bad behavior by saying it's because Desiree sexually assaulted me and Brian it's not current Brian and

Andrew WilsonI could never hang on bri and I stop let me finish my point Brian and I could never in a million years excuse current bad behavior because Desiree over there

Jade Martinsexually assaulted us we couldn't do it and yet for some reason I'm not EXC perfectly acceptable for women to do that I I'm not using it as an excuse I'm explaining my reasoning as to why I met

Brian Atlasup with a stranger it's was wrong and I shouldn't have done it but my mindset so so you brought it up the context you brought it up in is

Brian Atlassaying you have a brand new you have a brand new standard for new men where despite you having lost your virginity it's your new standard is I got to date the guy for a whole month this could

Brian Atlasmean meeting up like handful of time multiple times 10 times 15 times whatever you're going to wait make him huh it's not a standard I mean I don't know what do you mean you

Brian Atlasjust said you're the next guy I said I would like to I mean if I just want commitment honestly I don't as I said I don't want to you you you just want

Brian Atlascommitment yeah okay so that's but you no no no you said even if he says okay on the first date I will be your boyfriend you would still

Brian Atlaswait um I guess it wouldn't be the same day well and then let's assume that most guys aren't going to do that and they're going to want to date you for a period

Jade Martinof time so my god um I mean yeah if we're dating if we're seeing each other if we're exclusive and he's just not asking me

Brian Atlasyet then hold on ladies at the table how long does it take you to get exclusivity and boyfriend girlfriend from a dude how long 3 months 4 months 6 months how long

Benedettadoes it take you it depends from the situation average like for me like by my side and then I don't know the other side like two

Desireemonths but I I would yeah I'll say like a month and a half for me you got month I for some reason get the ones that want to like breed me that's cool

Desireeokay I would have a conversation about it with them so I wouldn't have a could be so I mean I don't know I've never experienced that I've never gotten had

Brian Atlasanything normal so let's say you go on a date with a guy and it's going well and he's like hey do you want to go back to my place do you say no

Brian AtlasI would go to his place yeah okay the the underly he wants to have sex he wants to hook up would you have okay you

Jade Martingo back to his place would you have sex with him no no if it was the first date no second date no third date we would have to be seeing each other for a while

Jade Martinhow how long I guess a month okay but consistently and how two three times a yeah a week yeah a week talking to each

Benedettaother talking to nobody else sure this is a ter like it's just like you need you need to see his intention like he oh no damn bro you can

Benedettayou can say like one month so close guys go ahead I don't think that you can say like one week one month like you like you know a guy and then you you see how it is do

Brian Atlasyou see how you feel with him but why do girls have this like this totally different like y'all will hook up with a dude y y'all hook up with a

Benedettadude within an hour of meeting same night like for me like I woke up with a with a dude and then I decide if I want to like keep saying or Not For What like

Benedettahow I am but sure I'm kind of the same it depends it depends from like because I'm not the kind of person that says

BenedettaOkay I want something like uh um official so but it depends how you are I think like if a guy is musty you might

Desireenot want to sleep with him on the first like you know early on but if he's like if you're really attracted to him you are probably more inclined I explained my reasoning for

Jade Martinthe first mistake that I made I wouldn't make that mistake again I was very young I was not in the same mind hold just to be clear you dated that guy for 2

Brian Atlasyears so so not just one mistake and then immediately after the breakup you not immediately but the very next guy you

Jade Martindated you you hooked up with him on the second date is that I got the impression that we were going to start seeing each other and that we were going to be exclusive and I shouldn't have jumped to

Brian Atlasconclusions but that is why but okay it's just to me was going to me it's crazy that start seeing me that's fine but like have it be your actual standard

Brian Atlaslike girls you guys just will leverage sex well sometimes we justable do do you have any like do you have any objections actually to sleeping with somebody super quick no I would not

Brian Atlashook up with somebody no you you've literally done it twice or more I we've heard of two no just two just the two I

Jade Martinjust I don't the first one yes the second one it was not that

Brian Atlasokay so I'm just confused why women will like in their past s with guys really quick and then when the guy who's worthy of a

Brian Atlasrelationship I mean that's the guy you make be clear women give sex women give sex to the [ __ ] boys the jerks the [ __ ] the

Brian Atlasabusers instantly but the guy who treats you well who's deserving of a long-term relationship stop it's the same mechanism that men the guy who's deserving of the relationship he has to

Benedettawait a month to have sex that's [ __ ] crazy I got you agree Italian girls agree because I get your point like I I get what you're saying but I think that

BenedettaI mean I don't know if I I don't do that but I see a lot of girls that that does they do it all the time but I think it's because they want to be sure that they keep seeing him I I guess I don't know

DesireeI'm not if he likes you if he likes you like that yeah that's what it think you have sex with him we have been sold the message our whole lives that guys are judging us based on that so I know for

Desireeme personally I was so in my head trying to be like what's the date number that I could sleep with the guy so that he would take me seriously but not like wait too long to there I don't think I

Desireedon't think there's ever been a situation where there was just a lot of dating advice out there like dur of the dating there was like there's

Brian Atlasno Universe there's if we're looking at Multiverse type [ __ ] there is no one Universe where you sleep with the guy and he doesn't want to date you take you

TTS/Donationsseriously desert Joe donated $100 I was believing jayen sympathetic to her story not so much now she's revealed so many contradictions it's

TTS/Donationsobvious Cloud chasing the rest of the panel is bored with how much attention spent on her

Jade MartinI mean I've had St I've had my story out there for years um that's cool so um it's just like no if I were in that

Jade Martinsituation of I'm just not in that situation I don't know if I were in that situation and yes you were a good man and he were was seeing me and he wanted to commit and it just happened then

Brian Atlasit'll happen I don't have that's not what I'm even talking I'm just it's expectation what it's not an expectation not an

Brian Atlasexpectation I don't know whatever happens happens if he Se Me Okay I I asked you very directly would you if the guy wanted to sleep with you on the first date would you do it you said no second date no third date no you said

Brian Atlasit'd have to be at least a month you would need XYZ you need commitment you'd have to be boyfriend girlfriend you need exclusivity exclusivity so are these things negotiable or are they your bad

Brian Atlasthey are negotiable it depends on the situation what's the situation what's the situation that you [ __ ] a guy the

Jade Martinfirst night you meet him I would not do that well you literally have that was situational and that was when I was

TTS/Donationsyounger I would not do it again here I'll give you some an donated $100 Andrew 1 Corinthians 3:16-17

TTS/Donationsclearly says if you destroy God's Temple your body God will bring judgment Shane smoking harms his sacred creation this is about obedience to God not personal

Brian Atlasfreedom okay thank you whd appreciate it uh it's kind of like you reward the [ __ ] boys who don't give you commitment with immediate sex but then you punish the

Brian Atlasguy's worthy of a relationship think that way I always kind shut the [ __ ] up up holy [ __ ] dude I'm already tilted as it is having this [ __ ] conversation

Brian Atlasand then you got to [ __ ] interrupt me on top of it go stand in the [ __ ] corner for 10 minutes okay fre holy [ __ ] yes go stand in the [ __ ] Corner jeez

Brian Atlaslet me just [ __ ] get through I've been trying for 30 [ __ ] minutes to get to the [ __ ] point oh my God look at Andrew he likes it too okay so

Brian Atlasit's like you're basically saying I thought you were a better long-term Prospect so I treated you worse than the guy I knew who was a well maybe you didn't know it up front who was an [ __ ] and

Brian Atlastoxic and it's like you're telling these guys like you were so important to me I treated sex like it was sacred but just for you not the other

Jade Martinguys who got it on the first or second night was a completely different person and in a completely different situation and okay hold on that's that's fine so

Brian Atlasokay here's an analogy here's an analogy so you know about me that I used to get my ex-girlfriend flowers and we and you know what she was

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