INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasactually just a fling and she like she never treated me well but I used to get her flowers I used to take her out on expensive dates I used to take her on

Brian Atlasvacation but now that I'm talking to to you that was my past now we go 50/50 on everything no vacations no traditional

Brian Atlastreatment would you not feel like well hold on why did she get that sort of

Jade Martintreatment when I'm treating him way better yeah I mean if you were hurt I'd understand

Jade Martin[Music] um I yeah I'm just not in that position so I can't say I'm I don't who knows maybe I will fall in

Jade Martinlove and we will do it before he's my boyfriend I don't know I'm not saying that I think who I was back then was completely different and I made mistakes

Jade Martinand I wouldn't I'm just make that mistake again and I it's also me I don't want to rack up a body count and then he doesn't he's not my boyfriend for the

Brian Atlasnext few years you know mhm okay I'm just going to give you a couple analogies maybe it's going to make sense uh so all your ex's got five uh got five star

Brian Atlasmeals but she gets McDonald's because you've you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying to impress people does that do it for you

Brian Atlasno no okay here's an analogy uh you really like this guy you go on a date everything's great but you find out he wants to go 50/50 with you

Brian Atlasuntil you guys are married then you learn his last three girlfriends he paid for everything rent dates vacations he even went on a date a week before he

Jade Martinwent on a date with you and he paid the entire Bill how's that make you feel I mean I would be [Music] hurt um but also was he hurt like why

Jade Martinwhy did he change his mind did she mistreat him did she take advantage of him and only use him for his money it's

Jade Martinpossible it's possible I'm not saying that I would say oh no absolutely not do not touch me I just want to be

Brian Atlascautious all right okay I'm just going to move it on um it's just uh not really going anywhere but

Brian Atlasuh uh all right oh oh well now do okay everybody's gone from the panel I can't even do it um uh what do we have to do can we pull up twitch really

Brian Atlasquick I'm going to try and involve some of the other panelists um can you pull up

TTS/Donationstwitch all right guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop manine donated $100 man many gay men report that they been very young we're seeing this issue

TTS/Donationsaffecting men but we can't talk about it because the world claims they're born gay sorry for the interruption

Brian Atlasmore yeah thank you uh thank you old man marine appreciate it man um okay uh you can come back Desiree um maybe I'll finally be able to get

TTS/Donationsthrough everything graffito tagged donated $100 sounds like Jade isn't making decisions about sex based off of her pre-existing set of morals rather she is

Jade Martinstill developing her sexual morals and further refining them with every sexual experience yeah and that second situation it wasn't the same as the

Jade Martinfirst at all as I said I really thought that he was going to be my partner and I shouldn't have thought that that was

Jade Martinridiculous of me but I mean that's why I trusted him and I shouldn't have but that's my problem is that I trusted too

Brian Atlaseasily and I don't want to make that mistake again mhm okay um let's see let's go to Cosmic here that's not your name that's your thing I

Brian Atlasdon't know um uh you said you have personal opinions that might get you ostracized who me yeah you about what yeah I guess

Brian AtlasI know that's all you wrote yeah personally okay you said you gave up on Modern dating it's a lost cause everyone's too self-absorbed whether in their own traumas or their own success yeah okay I really do feel like um

Cheyenne McGeepeople are not willing to make the sacrifices whether it's ref refining their character um you know to to establish a Jon relationship I honestly feel like no one knows what they want

Cheyenne McGeemhm um people are all lost and they're just finding distractions and yeah lot people I think are energy

Brian Atlasvampires too as well I feel all right um and then uh

Brian Atlasyou well we already talked about the sperm donor thing that was already talked about um let's go to uh

Brian Atlassorry I forgot it's Berna what how do you bernadeta bernadeta okay uh did you want to talk a bit about differences when it came to uh

BenedettaAid well dating American versus European men or Italian men I guess I mean last

Benedettatime that I did an American I was 17 so like mhm and I feel that

BenedettaAmericans are are a little bit like going around and and ook up like easily more than Europeans I guess sure but I

Benedettadon't know like it depends just like my experience so I don't know maybe like Europeans are

Benedettamore Ro romantic I guess but I I I don't know I'm going to come back and tell you what I find out this year okay

Benedettauh but it sounded like from what you said earlier you kind of are looking for something more casual yourself right no actually um right now like yeah I'm not

Benedettalooking for anything if something happen um that's not too stressful like it's nothing

Benedettalike too serious yeah but if not I'm fine like by myself it's

Brian Atlasfine okay all right um and then you had an age Gap relationship you were

TTS/Donationsuh old man marine donated $100 is that girl taking another shite she been she needs to stop drinking caffeine she's been gone for a minute

Brian Atlasshe gets you know look it's uh I don't know long breaks long breaks okay um let's see uh oh so okay you were 21 he

TTS/Donationswas 30 yeah I was 22 and he was 20 39 okay yeah GMD gim donated

TTS/Donations$100 Andrew heard you and you know I love you too I even love the [ __ ] and thirst traps I would not waste my hard-earned money if I did not this world needs help and most Christians

Brian Atlassadly will not Gotta Love Jim gota love Jim thank you Jim for the uh TTS man appreciate it uh

Desireeso any uh has anybody else here had the age Gap relationship let's let's start here go around the table go ahead my last relationship he was 6 years older than

Andrew Wilsonme was this the guy who shoved your head in the toilet no that wasn't a okay romantic relationship no I'm sorry I'm sorry Brian um I I feel like you left some things out shoved her head in the toilet while he was [ __ ] her up the

Brian Atlasass I just wanted to make sure we were clear on this that that was the other part butt stuff that's what that's called yeah um yeah have you ever had a what's the so what's

Desireethe oldest you would date I guess uh I probably uh I I'm going to be

Desireehonest like I'm C I'm curious about the I'm I'm exploring the morality of like

Desireesugaring I mean oh no I'm I've never I've obviously never done it but what does that hold on

Benedettawell you could have a relationship with an older man and it not be a sugar baby Dynamic but I'm just saying no it's not I wouldn't be not like a

Desireesugar or whatever yeah it was like legitimate legitimate relationship but it would depend that the upper limit would depend the upper limit would depend so you date a 70-year-old for money I wouldn't be attracted to one for

Desireemoney you would have sex might be I think like if I'm just dating you you're just going to give me money to date you like not even necessarily like uh hooking up with like a like a wrinkly s

Desireeyear old W the question I asked you just kind of totally went over your head no I'm telling you that that it depends the upper limit depends I wouldn't be attracted to like to like probably 60

TTS/Donationsplus excess energy donated $100 Jade by her story alone appears to be a very emotionally and maturely delayed woman I do not find her to be

Jade Martindishonest but rather naive and burdened by what has been someday she will be unburdened you want to respond to that quickly um I don't know I don't agree I

Jade Martinthink I've matured a lot and I am significantly different than the woman I was when I detransitioned of course I'm

Brian Atlasstill learning I think we all grow through life and change yep

Andrew Wilsonso Vivian you're saying that's your name right yes oh okay why did you shake your head why did you shake your head like this and then say yes that was because I

Desireemean you kind of remember people's name I understand but it's a little rude I mean but it's okay I forgive you wait what did you say your name was

Brian Atlasagain that's her is that your ick like thing no I I'm just like disgraceful it's like a wait can you straighten your

Desireemic it's like what it's like all right it's just like

Andrew WilsonSMH You Should Know My Name by now she's Infamous say my name [ __ ] okay well uh Vivi and I think that

Andrew Wilsonthat's fair what's my last name Wilson and my first name Andrew I I just love it when you say my name well I'm

Brian Atlassorry that I couldn't Andrew [ __ ] kinky wait what did you just say Andrew's kinky he's like I love when you say my name uh old man marine girl with diarrhea look to your left and see what

Brian Atlasyour future holds by going down the road of being a a she was a HOA B she was a

Brian AtlasHOA I don't have diarrhea so I'm not sure who you're talking to so a chat came in while you were going in the bathroom and youve been you were gone for a while so just they don't

Brian Atlasunderstand the freshen up to take a minute to yourself also I don't know if I said this on stream I said this off stream to you but like really disappointed with your change of hair by the way just like you know VI was my

Desireehair before it I understand it was kind of better before I just I don't even know what color that is it's like you went halfway yeah I did I did you didn't finish the job yeah I didn't want like I

Brian Atlaslike you were going blonde but like you stopped the [ __ ] too soon and you're like [ __ ] my [ __ ] up okay okay thank you you did you go to the salon and you said [ __ ] my [ __ ] up is that what you said we

Desireeall do that you know we all do I did say fix what I did because I did half bleach my hair so bro you can't half you got to go all the way you can't half we do

Desireeweird things when we're ovulating okay sometimes it comes out as like we botched our hair so wait okay the sugar we get a tattoo of do theg okay so you'll dat 7 old guy what about without

Brian Atlassugaring what's the oldest guy that you would date probably

Brian Atlasuh probably under 40 okay cool I can fix her just kidding

Brian Atlasum all right sorry that was stupid all right uh Jade uh would have you had an age Gap relationship I mean yeah five

Brian Atlasyears was that the homeless guy all right uh Morgan have you had an age Gap relationship age Gap relationship yeah my situationship were

Brian Atlaslike 10 years apart oh okay like you're older than him no he's older than me oh okay AG the father of my children is 17 years older than me all right uh no no

Brian Atlasokay uh all right I mean I don't really have anything more on that one how did it come oh the age cuz yeah I was trying to get you in on this convo here uh does

Brian Atlasdo age Gap relationships give any of you the ick or do you object to age Gap relationships I'd prefer to date a little

Cheyenne McGeeyounger uh it kind of gives me the I a little aren't you yeah in one but it gives me the ick like you get the ick from your own guy or while you're not dating or

Brian Atlaswhatever look I need to get my rocks off every so often or I'm going be a really mean wait you still hook up with the guy every so often oh we did not hold on let's go into this so the guy who you

Brian Atlascall a sperm donor who you hate you guys still hook up no no God no God oh there's a different that's remember I'm in a situationship and own is completely different oh that okay so yeah a situ

Brian Atlasyou've been in a situationship for 2 years but the 8-year guy is a sperm donor dude but you hook up with him no not at all wait the situationship for 2 years um no it was a actual relationship

Cheyenne McGeewe lived together for a year and a half and then it became a situationship so he's like sleeping with other women that I don't know into that I'm not sure I don't think so I really doesn't it

Cheyenne McGeedoesn't look like he it doesn't act like he's but did does he I'm not the type to really go through phones and are you sleeping with other people okay does he

Brian Atlasuh how often do you see him me like once um every two weeks okay all right all right uh damn I got to wait to ask this question until the whole

Brian Atlaspanel's back so I'll just wait once she's uh once she's back we'll get into the notes uh Rebecca you have quite a lot of notes Here uh I think we did all the ones for J are uh Austin are there

Brian Atlasother Rea reacts or did we wasn't there like a video wait there was something from Jade like an Instagram post we were going to pull up she's gone can you remind me

TTS/DonationsIG the St Roman donated $100 for benedetta how do Italians view the Roman Empire pre

Benedetta395 CE good or bad what's the Roman Empire pre 395 straight into the mic if you can what is it what's the Roman

BenedettaEmpire pre oh oh the the Roman okay Rome Rome that thing uh yeah yeah yeah [Music]

BenedettaI no idea like what like good I guess I

Benedettaguess yeah I'm not really into like history stuff it's not something that come up in a discussion like in a

Brian Atlasconversation so what's your favorite kind of pasta mine

Benedettaum spaghetti it's like clams with spaghetti I think yeah I don't I'm not

Benedettayeah I do cook very well but I don't eat pasta like I'm not a very big fan of pasta I don't like pasta either I'm not a big pasta yeah I do

Brian Atlascook okay uh right uh Rebecca getting into your notes here yes uh let's see you there's a lot so I don't know if we'll get to everything but um uh 41

Brian Atlasyears old gamer streamer damn good in the domestic sense college educated fully employed two income household uh married kids all that partridge in a pear tree

Brian Atlasuh you wanted to talk about double standards the dating Market why sleeping around glorified in society uh okay was there uh of your notes I mean I could kind of go through them on my own but what are some of the

Rebeccabig ones that you kind of wanted to uh get into uh let's see um a big one that I would love to hear

Rebeccaeveryone's take on is women have flocked to social media to ask the question where have all the good men gone um my

Rebeccasort of top ones as to why that happens is number one they're staying away from you whoever is asking that question um uh two they're still around you're still

Rebeccajust not looking in the right places three have you explored the choices in men you are making only experiencing the bad guys or shitty men take a step back review your choice the choices you are

Rebeccamaking uh four they're probably taken uh five modern feminism is killing chivalry common associated with commonly associated with good men uh six good men

Rebeccaare choosing to stay single and put themselves first before relationships the current dating climate is keeping them from willingly choosing any woman or being more selective about who they choose and number seven men are being

Rebeccamore vocal about their standards just as women have done uh shocker men have standards who knew dripping with sarcasm anyway that's one of the ones I wanted to

Cheyenne McGeediscuss takes I completely agree with you there actually like um like since I have two daughters and they're trying to follow these tiktock Trends and like they think it's cute to wear these crop

Cheyenne McGeetops and do all this free what Pro feminist movement and all that and whatever and it's like at the end of the day um you are your self- representative unfortunately this is a kind of vain world people are going to look at you

Cheyenne McGeefirst and see how you represent yourself and the way you carry yourself is what you attract I do believe that if you want to attract a good man you need to carry yourself as a good woman you need to act like a good woman I guess I don't

Cheyenne McGeeknow how these standards are to people cuz everybody has different standards but I completely agree I'm pretty sure a man doesn't want a woman who's half dressed all the time or who's like um

Cheyenne McGeewho's very like I guess too masculine or too too masculine or too vocal or too you know firecracker popping off all the time like that so yeah I agree with

Brian Atlaseverything you say I'll come back to some of your notes really quick uh can you pull up that Instagram post yeah which one

Brian Atlasit's it's like a chart with something I don't know yeah you know what I'm talking about

Brian Atlasyep I Jade I believe you posted this somewhere is this correct uh probably I could have sworn uh what what women think men want in women Financial

Brian Atlasstability confidence successful High earning career ambitious challenging strong independent What Men actually want in women Fit Body kindness supportive hardworking a agreeable

Brian Atlaspeaceful sweet interdependent real men want traditional women I agree I mean any disagreements from anyone on the panel here I have a

Cheyenne McGeequestion but when when we speak of traditional by what means are we talking like the 1950s type of traditional like lifestyle or what is how are we measuring

Brian Atlastraditional I mean there's different ways

Rebeccaexamples example of a traditional relationship or a traditional couple would be um typically a male or a man that brings home the bread so to speak provides um and the woman so I

Rebeccareferenced it earlier a a man that would take care of an outer the outer world of for a woman and the man would take care of his inner being caring being supportive taking care of his family taking care of the home those are the

Rebeccainers like where he lives you know where he puts his hat you know what I mean and the man will will in order to allow her to do that will provide for her to do

Rebeccathat bring home the income to give her the home for her to support so it's it's it's a given it's a give and take it's a balance I have a thing on that too so relationships men and women are all

Rebeccaabout balance Yin yin and yang can you hear me okay if I'm talking like this uh science or excuse me Yin and yangang science nature the world in general thrives off balance hot cold scales tips

Rebeccait off if it goes off if it goes off the scale it tips relationships are no different Know Your Role learn to adapt into it as needed if you bring home the bread he cleans and manages the home if

Rebeccahe earns the bread then you manage the home it's unrealistic to expect he's going to come home being the sole bread winner and help clean the house or cook the meals it's logically realistic to balance that scale if you both are

Rebeccabringing home the income then balance the work load at home this is different for part-time versus fulltime obviously so it's fluid as we discussed earlier as I was going to say it's all it's all fluid it's not so black and white the

Rebeccapoint is to be versatile and be willing to slide into what's needed for the partnership when you're solo that's a different story but when you're together it's all about what's good for the family it should not

Rebeccabe what he or she can do for me or give me it's about what I can do it's about what I can do for them um it's it should be what value can I bring as a

Rebeccapartner to this person why should they want me in their

Cheyenne McGeelife thoughts agree yeah I agree as well especially being versal trying to see what can I bring to the like you know into the

Cheyenne McGeetable in order to make this partnership work especially if you want it to be longlasting like I mentioned earlier think people are a little too self-absorbed and not a lot of people are willing to do this and I feel like nowadays dating is just a distraction

Brian Atlasfrom the oppression of whatever we're going through in life uh let's go to uh Vivian's notes here um you said uh if a young woman

Brian Atlasdates an older man for money is that prostitution oh yeah that was an old one oh is that old did you provide new uh and it's and uh well okay well you said

Brian Atlasuh oh you had had a disagreement with Andrew on women's rights being made up oh that that was also old and yeah but you didn't you wanted to have the cono convo with Andrew uh I think it's worth having that

Brian Atlasone uh men's body we we'll come back to that one we will get to it uh but before we do just since we have everybody finally back at the uh table here I do want to go around uh the table on this

Brian Atlasuh this ties back into the Stiffler question uh so do you think you will be better looking in 10 years time I don't necessarily know that I'll

Desireebe better looking but I trust that I will feel better about how I look because that's just the trajectory that I'm on that okay I've enjoyed aging and I feel better and better about myself

Brian Atlasand then were you uh better looking uh at 29 than you are now at 39 no were you better looking at 19 than you are now at 39 no okay uh so as far as 10 years from

Desireenow at 49 compared to 39 I mean about the same better looking worse looking maybe about the same what about 59 trying to think of my

Desireegrandma's um about the same I mean obviously there's going to be signs of aging so it's just a matter of where culture and Society is at the

Desireetime we are coming circling back around to a more natural um Beauty it definitely it's a cool time to be in the modeling industry right now I'll say that and I know lots

Desireeof women who are 10 years industry yeah I'm a model I'm a professional model that's I got into only fans because I was first a model so I had a high demand for that

Desireeessentially I'm like the modern version of a Playboy bunny

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Brian Atlasare we supposed to tell him we can hear him oh we could Andrew we could hear you I'm sorry about

Brian Atlasthat okay um Vivan um uh will you be better looking in 10 years time uh not sexually to men no

Desireewhat better looking to women then well you can I mean you can see you you could say some people age age like fine wine so and I

Desireeplan on doing that but I think sexually like youth is like a big thing that I that I tend to see like men liking so I

TTS/Donationsdon't think you know okay all right um watch out Brian donated $100 FYI after her podcast appearance a

TTS/Donationsfew few weeks ago AA has accused you of underhanded debate tactics and has flouted the ey of doing an expose on you potential Judas in your midst Brothers

Brian Atlasbefore hoes uh thank you for the uh heads up I mean she's going to expose me for alleged underhanded debate

Andrew Wilsontactics I'm not sure what that would even be referring to I look I mean oh come on Brian women can't debate let's I mean let's um what would be what would be

Brian Atlasunderhanded about it right it's like men can debate and women can't that would be the underhanded tactics yeah this is the girl who like we we got somebody H

Brian Atlaswhatever and she basically whatever okay um uh Jade better looking in 10 years time no okay do you think you'll be

Benedettabetter looking in I think I'm going to look the same look the same so you're 23 uh you'll look the same at 33 I mean I'm

Benedettaplanning to like do Sports and keep myself you know good shape so I hope that I'm going to look okay with some

Benedettakind of differences but what about 20 years time so uh 43 yeah maybe at that time maybe I'm

Benedettagoing to look older but it doesn't mean that I'm going to look bad Morgan um 28 I think yeah okay

TTS/Donationsyeah so you're 27 uh do you think you'll be better looking at 37 yes into the mic please yes I think so um

TTS/Donationsonly LOL paladins donated $100 and2 I need to enable modern Playboy

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Andrew WilsonBunny ha sucks to hear about AA she was cute bring her back to debate uh I mean we'd be open well well hang on hang

Andrew Wilsonon you should bring if Ava is really going to do an expose then let me offer Ava debate on uh well basically any topic that she wants and uh she can come do it in the whatever Studio 1V one and

Brian Atlasthen she can't complain about the underhanded debate tactics right yeah I'm down to do it I'm down to do it she can come on and voice her

Brian Atlascriticisms um La Paladin sorry that we didn't uh I I just set up the thing so it should be fine if you want to send it

Brian Atlasin my bad my M uh with the special trigger whatever um so uh better better looking at 37 yes better looking at 47

Cheyenne McGeeyes better looking at 57 now I'm thinking I'll stay the same I I would like cuz I see so 57 is like Peak or whatever yeah okay uh and then

Brian Atlasyou're 27 now do you think you're better looking now at 27 than you were at 18

Cheyenne McGeeyeah yes cuz I had a real big baby face and um I feel like I'm I'm kind of growing out of

Brian Atlasit okay um and then you're 41 better looking at 51 uh no and then you're 41 were you better looking at 31 yes were you better looking at 21 yes okay uh Ana

Brian Atlas19 better looking in 10 years time or maybe the same maybe the same but not after that all right uh you know what I want to I sometimes I'll hear well you know that

TTS/Donationsthese men they'll they age better whatever I actually want to show a photo of young Bri watch out Brian donated $100 sorry to clarify the EXP a she's

TTS/Donationspublicly teased on her channel would be about your personal history considering you're a chill dude it seems to be a bridge too far to dig up your past like that oh you mean you mean uh female

Andrew Wilsoninuendo and slander instead of actually debating any topics of substance it's just that Brian bad Brian bad Brian bad you know it's really funny too is like all the resources which are available to

Andrew Wilsonmale streamers where they could do something counter to that they could they could literally higher piis dive into a woman's past look up their exes bring them on do horrible things to them and they don't isn't that

Brian Atlasinteresting yeah it is interesting I mean uh when it comes to this Ava girl uh I don't really remember most of the content of most of the like

Brian Atlasconversations I have because I have so many of them uh I I don't think Andrew were you on that panel it

Brian Atlaswas the redhead who was sitting here I'm is that that a rabbit no no no it was uh it was I'm trying to think which you

Brian Atlasmight have not been on that uh I'm trying to remember when it

Brian Atlaswas it was uh nine dating talk 191 so you were not on this panel okay you

Andrew Wilsonwere not on that panel Andrew is the redhead um so wait so who was there with you it just me it was just me there's no like

Andrew Wilsonother special so wait so you versus an entire panel and there's going to be underhanded debate tactics huh poor Brian Brian why didn't you just tie yourself up and let them beat you half

Andrew Wilsonto death with sticks while you just stood there and took it I mean how dare you ever speak a word on your own show especially to the goddess women yeah I

Brian Atlasdon't know um yeah uh that's kind of weird though like why not just debate the actual like what she disagreed with me

Brian Atlason I don't even think there was much of a major back and forth between me and her though the only thing was before the show she kind of

Brian Atlaslike uh was like talking to one of the guests and then made the guest feel uncomfortable about being on the show essentially and then the guest left before the show yeah but I'm sure I'm sure that that was your fault somehow

Brian AtlasBrian I mean let's be okay well I appreciate the heads up uh if she's going to make it she's going to make it but um okay she's gonna do an expose on Brian Alice all right go ahead or don't

TTS/Donationsgo ahead I can't I can't wait to tear it to Pieces it should be a lot of fun um hail and well met L paladins donated $1100

TTS/Donationsand2 you women need a dose of reality because no one is giving you push back but you all just need to hear this no one looks better at 57 than 27 no one

Brian Atlasstop being silly fix your thinking you are wrong you know what's crazy though L palins thank you man appreciate appreciate that I won't derail the conversation on this too long is the

Brian Atlasmalevolence of women is that I've had numerous like heated debates with women on the show and it never occurred to me to like try to ruin their life because I

Brian Atlasdisagreed with them but there have been plenty of women who have come on the show who I've actually not even done any like not even said anything really mean or offensive to them who just have this

Brian Atlasdesire this is how I mean this is how women operate uh basically reputation destruction um I just find that very interesting but Brian wait a second hang

Andrew Wilsonon I need you to understand why you're in the wrong here you're in the wrong because women are born perfect angels ontologically perfect in every single conceivable way which is possible and

Andrew Wilsonthen what happens is a mean old man comes and corrupts their ultimate Purity in their uh their perfectness and turns them into like Desiree over here some

Andrew Wilsonsort of perverse monster but it's really men's fault they had nothing to do with

Brian Atlasit it's men's fault Brian yeah it's true um anyways uh uh so where was I I don't know

Brian Atlas[Music] um what were we talking about the oh we were going to pull up wait okay uh no there's there's two photos there's like

Brian Atlasthe the face face photos M do you see those yes let's pull up the two and then we'll pull up my photos from when I was

Brian Atlasyoung or whatever oh the which two photos of you no no no so there I'm pretty sure there's like a transition

Brian Atlasphotos of women from like 20 30 40 50 I think those are

Brian Atlasthere while you guys are waiting if you can go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow uh okay so yeah this is the one I think there's another one too but we'll

Brian Atlasstay with this one so 20s 30s 40s 50s 60s um so I mean I'm assuming this has been like

Brian Atlascomputer altered and it's not actually like um it is interesting though that uh I don't know thought I'd pull that up

Brian Atlaspeople just get that's with no antiaging like no that's just normal no cre truth be told she I mean okay uh is there another one guess is

Brian Atlasthere another one that's kind of like no no no no no you can't get out you can't you can't show it's okay and just to be clear guys when I'm

Brian Atlastalking about Ava it's not the Ava who's been sitting here it's the one who was on one episode she sat across redhead uh is there another one or is that no that was it oh okay then you can

Brian Atlasjust pull up my Instagram did we already pull this up on stream yes okay let's pull it up and scroll all the way to the bottom

Brian Atlasuh okay this is like young Brian here tank top photo I think I was 23 here yeah I think

Brian AtlasI was 23 I'm 35 now X Out of the X out of it um scroll down a bit scroll

Brian Atlasdown uh scroll down is that all the way yeah okay scroll back up it's like even I was better looking when I was younger I

Benedettadisagree okay that's I agree but I think it's more about like the shape like your face it looks the same how you carry yourself so like if you go around do

Benedettasomething keep yourself like I I'm not saying I'm not I'm not judging you I call me you should bully me bully me call me no I'm not I'm not saying that

Benedettabut I I feel like in your like 20s 30s and like until I don't know 40 your face

Benedettait's kind of the same with some differences but you can still like be in shape I I think yeah I got to lose

TTS/Donationsweight I got lose some weight as our taste changes likewise I think what were you saying somebody something I don't

TTS/Donationsknow the Dutch Jessica Rabbit donated $100 why do age like wine and women age like milk all the years a breastfeeding maybe

Brian Atlaswe got spoiled you uh why do men age like wine bro I'm literally the Dutch oh it's uh Tamara hey tamarrow good to see you in the chat you're I appreciate you good sport I was a little tilted I was a little tilted uh she's so beautiful I

Brian Atlasthink I was a bit tilted when you were on the show so I appreciate the uh the the TTS thank you thank you that that's that's the girl who I I got

Andrew Wilsontilted on yeah she's nice she's nice um well but Desiree I don't think you two would ever get along um I did get the feeling from the Dutch Jessica Rabbit that she was

Andrew Wilsonsomewhat stable and probably would not want to you know enter into any sort of Friendship with an absolute psychopath such as yourself so it just just my take on that wait pull it up again Austin

Brian Atlaspull up my Instagram again he says men that age like I'm sorry bro I was better looking scroll up a bit scroll down scroll down SC down

Desireeclick the one in the black and the white the black and white one bro hold on you look like look at this like my son this guy hold on

Brian Atlasput be attracted to that that's creepy I can't even C when I look at these [ __ ] eye bags look at thats the [ __ ] stress I got [ __ ]

Desireemy face is all red from [ __ ] stress and cortisol grown so it's like my tast a grown man ising as my bags are coming in too I have more Grace I'm just saying man I'm just saying I was better looking

DesireeI was better hard worker you are you are such a freaking hard worker it's starting to show and now we can recognize okay all right men have a lot of

Desireestress uh yes so I was better looking when I was younger cuz I no no you were adorable no you it was a whole different vibe back then that was like [ __ ]

Desireechubby cheeks the chubby cheeks the [ __ ] red listen you make me feel more beautiful about myself that's very

Brian Atlas[ __ ] to me I maybe that's I'm impervious to your call impious to your you were good-looking then you're goodlooking now it's not any it's a

Rebeccadifferent vibe it's just right it's a different vibe you've got the mature Vibe about you and the daddy Vibe you got mean I lose my mind Daddy Vibe I I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure if I I I think I I I don't know I don't think okay anyways let's let's get through some more stuff here uh viven we're GNA go to Vivien Vivien it's like an aunt name

RebeccaVivian Vivian Victorian and sorry Vivian was was your mother a fan of pretty wom Vivian uh I don't think no I don't think so so Andrew is dying to have this back

TTS/Donationsand forth with you viven her name was viven viven you uh hail and well met Paladin donated $100 and2 oh I like the one that was Maddie's

TTS/Donationsfriend that pretended not to speak English screw fish.com a figuratively speaking don't bring her back she was

Brian Atlasboring I resend my previous TTS wait what screw figur don't bring her back she's boring or oh lalin thank you man

Brian Atlasappreciate it I like the one that was MD's friend that pretended not to oh the other AA yeah remember you we'll get her back

TTS/Donationson the Dutch Jessica Rabbit donated $100 no we will not be friends like Andrew is saying thanks you for the compliment you look cute too Brian good

Cheyenne McGeetools hang under a canopy so you are fine what does that mean good tools hang good tools hang under you talking about like the belly and maybe the oh yeah maybe your belly

Desireeyour belly God she's talking about and your dick is covered she says I have a FAA well let's call it a let's call it a

Desireedad belly they also call it the dad maybe that's from eating all the women on your show hey energetically it landed in your gut your

Brian Atlasyour chakra is just a little [ __ ] up you want me to clear that for you want me clear your chakra for you you'll just lose the weight so okay Vian uh women's rights being made up this is

Desireea conversation you wanted to have with Andrew go ahead well we did already so me and you actually I feel like you defended it well and I just thought that there was like something more being

Desireeimplied but it that it was just stating the obvious so I I just was like reading too much into it so I don't really

Brian Atlasso I I don't really care is like a p uh you wanted to say men's body count and women's body count don't have different value otherwise that's a double standard I mean you said you

Desireeagreed with that last no I don't you said it's not morally worse for uh well okay I mean I think well I don't remember what I said yeah let me let me

Desireeclarify what I mean I don't uh so a man that has a body count of 300 is not morally better than a woman who has a body count of 300 not to say that

Brian Atlasthey're impacted different by uh so you're saying morally Andrew any thoughts on the moral component of

Andrew Wilsonthis yeah so well let's let's dive in um when you say moral what does that mean to you I mean uh

Desireethe it it shouldn't it's not uh the moral Badness the the metric for you to

Andrew Wilsonsay say it's bad or good the metric for bad or okay morality defin okay well what's bad mean to you uh so it's the same question as what

Desireedoes moral mean to you but what does bad mean what's what's bad I have different things that I find bad and good I judge different things differ but wa wait hold

Desireeon but I I I would say that it's it for me it's how much it it's the impacts of something ah well then you can't say it's immoral

Andrew Wilsonso if uh if the idea here is that um the impact and the impact being like the outcome is negative right it's how much it like damages

Andrew Wilsonanother person okay well then uh all you need to do is demonstrate why it is that male promiscuity which women don't seem to care

Andrew Wilsonabout is um is bad for men whereas female promiscuity which men do seem to care about isn't bad for women no I'm well I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying that it's not it's equal I'm saying it's equal I'm saying why yeah but that doesn't make any sense so your idea here is outcomes well your idea

Desireehere is outcomes right so the outcome bad out do H it doesn't hurt more people for uh because of your gender of you're sleeping with the same amount of people

Andrew Wilsonit's the same amount of yeah I I get that I get that I get all that that you're sleeping with the same amount of people so it's not fair I understand that but when I asked you what is bad

Andrew Wilsonyou said if the outcome the outcome is negative that's a bad thing is that right yeah okay so if if if we're going

Andrew Wilsonoff of the outcome is bad all I need you to do is explain to me why it is that when men sleep with a lot of women women don't care but when women sleep with a

Andrew Wilsonlot of men men care so it seems like the out for women so if we're going off of outcomes it seems like if that is the case that women sleeping with a lot of

Andrew Wilsonmen is bad and Men sleeping with a lot of women is not bad because the outcome

Andrew Wilsonright was there a question yeah yeah so here's here's the question do you think that women care more about men sleeping

Andrew Wilsonwith a lot of women or or or or what so from your view man sleeps with 20 women do you think that women see that as the

Desireesame as if a woman sleeps with 20 men to a

Desireeman uh I think that men uh Society does not judge men as much or men don't

Desireejudge other men as much but I think men have a a anim it towards women with high body counts they have a negative

Andrew WilsonPreference they don't they they tend I agree so men men have a negative preference towards women with a high body count but women don't have a negative preference towards men with a high body count so it seems like the

Andrew Wilsonoutcome then would be bad for women to have a high body count but not bad for men to have a high body count so therefore by your preference is it would be immoral for women to have a high body

Desireecount but not for men I don't that's uh I disagree that that okay well then explain your disagreement so the act

Desireeitself of a woman sleeping with 300 people versus a man sleeping with 300 people is morally equal yeah you

Andrew Wilsonjust keep saying that but when I ask you what moral is you say it's an outcome which is negative or that's what that's what immoral is that's what bad is outcome negative but if a man sleeps

Desireewith 300 women and women don't care how's that a negative outcome just because men judge women more for that

Desireeparticular thing doesn't mean it's morally bad that at the at the action because if because it's the same if a

Desireeman is to sleep with 300 women and or if a woman is to sleep with 300 men or you know bodies I think that the action in

Desireeof itself it should be judged the same it's not but just because it's judged the same doesn't mean it's worse hang on

Desireelet's let's make sure we're clear on this what is immoral and is bad is outcome bad

Desireeright the the direct outcome of the the direct impact so yeah yeah so that's bad right so therefore immoral

Andrew Wilsonright yeah if it's bad that's yeah okay got it so so if a man sleeps with 300 women but no women care how could that possibly be bad I'm

Desireenot even saying that sleeping with people is bad inherently I don't think it's bad inherently I'm saying I think they should be judged equally for it

Andrew Wilsonyeah but that doesn't make any sense you realize if you say if you say thing is bad because outcome bad but outcome is not bad then how can you say it's

Desireeimmoral I think I think what you're saying is because men because there's more of a repercussion for women

Desireesocially it's it's wor it affects women more but that's not the direct that's a secondary reaction to the act the act itself is morally the same it's just

Andrew Wilsonthat men happen to I don't understand how it could be moral so so here let's isolate it okay so if you're you're on an island with um let's say it's one man

Andrew Wilsonand 20 women and he sleeps with all of the women and all of the women want to sleep with him and he wants to sleep with all of them okay and all of the women think he's great and he thinks all

Andrew Wilsonof them are great has any bad action or immoral action taken place here no okay great now let us assume for a second that there's one woman and 20 men

Andrew Wilsonand the more men she sleeps with the more other men rebuff her and say she's bad they don't want anything to do with her has a bad action taking place here no that's just a preference well then I

Andrew Wilsondon't know what you mean by bad then I don't know I don't know what bad is the outcome if the outcome for the person is bad but that's still not bad right or it's negative and it's still not bad

Desireethen I don't know what bad means I don't know what immoral means to you here so if if by Society me wearing blue was considered bad wearing blue isn't

Desireeinherently bad but it's considered inherently bad is there anything that's inherently bad I think yeah I I actually have a moral code what is it so tell me what's what give me a single thing

Desireethat's inherently bad any so if I if I deem something in injust it's it's subjective it's subjective wa so you're you're the moral

DesireeArbiter of all that that is bad I make up my own morals no the moral Arbiter of all that is bad I just said no okay well then who

Andrew Wilsonis we make up morals so then that would mean that you're the Arbiter of all that is bad right if not you then who I don't I don't know that there's an Arbiter of

TTS/Donationsall that is bad I don't know what you're talking about well then what is bad ex if you just say everything that's bad is everything pal donated $100

TTS/Donationsand2 we don't need to talk hypothe and I've slept with over 300 women and I've had no bad outcome at all

Andrew Wilsonever it's only been good outcomes yeah so so uh back back to this real quick uh do you just judge bad by what

Desireegoes against your preferences no I have a code a moral code okay and so the code uh that you live by is appealing to

Desireewho for what is bad or what I try and look at it objectively I try and say if I wouldn't want this happening to me then I probably shouldn't do it and I

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