INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

Date: 2024-09-09

Duration: 7h 53m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCheyenne McGee >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Benedetta(guest)

SPEAKER_03Desiree(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheyenne McGee(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade Martin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Rebecca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lulu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

OtherDesiree confesses to hooking up with two different men during one 3-day weekend while under the influence of psychedelics.

“I was also kind of under the influence... a mix of things... mushrooms hypothetically... it was very impulsive both times”

OtherCheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police during a physical argument that started over a Game of Thrones incest debate.

“we went to jail... I call the police and I ended up going to jail as well with him... we were arguing about Love is it about the twins Jamie and Cersei Lannister”

OtherJade reveals her ex-boyfriend was bisexual, homeless, guilted her out of money, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

“he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money... he ended up owing you $115,000 and going to jail”

OtherDesiree claims to be related to Hitler based on fan-funded DNA research. Andrew challenges her to produce evidence; she cannot, he calls it fabricated.

“I have found that I am from Hitler's family line... they actually paid... to have all this tested... show me a single piece of evidence... you're lying through your teeth”

OtherJade's Hinge profile and TikToks reviewed on stream. She had viral TikTok about being rejected while other girls have multiple boyfriends; attributed difficulty dating to her detransition and growing up with male social identity.

“I think I'm just too bold romantically... I socially transitioned when I was 11... I still don't have girlfriends”

OtherJade discloses her virginity was taken non-consensually by a stranger met on Grindr at 3am during her male-presenting transition period. She subsequently sought her first consensual experience.

“about a few months before him I had been okay... I was forced to lose my [virginity]... by a complete stranger... I met up an hour [after matching on Grindr]”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Desiree rates herself 1/10, Lulu/Vivian rates herself 8/10, Cheyenne 9.5/10, Andrew 5 then 2/10, Jade 8/10. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, Desiree rates Brian a 9.

“desire... I'm going to do two adding sex appeal no... 1... eight yeah... nine I was going to say 9.5... five I give myself a five”

ControversyAndrew Wilson demands Desiree be muted. Viewer Noah R donates $500 to trigger a 10-minute mute. Brian complies, sending Desiree to a corner.

“she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her... now you're muted and you deserve it”

OtherBody count round: Desiree 8-10 (disputed), Lulu/Vivian 5, Jade 2, Benedetta 10-15 range, Cheyenne/Morgan 14.

“I would say about like 8 to 10 guys... Vivian count five... Jade two... more than 10... Morgan... like I think 14”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Then relationship status round covering current situations, longest relationships, and recent dating activity.

Vivian/Lulu — 3-Day Weekend Hookup Confession

Lulu (Vivian) admits to hooking up with two different men over one weekend while under the influence of psychedelics/substances. Body count went from 3 to 5 compared to prior appearance.

Age Gap Relationship Discussion — Benedetta's 17-Year Gap

Benedetta dated a 40-year-old Argentine man (she was 22-23) for 1 year 2 months, lived together 4 months in Spain. He broke up with her over long distance. Discussion of age gap relationships.

Jade Martin — Detransition Story & Dating Struggles

Jade discusses her detransition (social transition at 11, hormones 18-21, no surgery), dating difficulties attributed to growing up with male social identity, viral TikToks about rejection, Hinge profile review, Twitter review, and social media posting behavior debated by Andrew.

Cheyenne McGee — Arrested Over Game of Thrones Argument

Cheyenne and her children's father were both arrested after she called police over a Game of Thrones incest argument one year into their 8-year relationship. She vowed never to call police again.

Jade Martin — Abusive/Criminal Ex-Boyfriend Story

Jade's two-year boyfriend was a bisexual homeless truck driver met on Grindr, who guilted her out of money (~$15K), moved to another state, had a secret girlfriend, and was convicted of a violent crime involving minors.

Traditionalism vs Modernism Debate (Andrew vs Desiree)

Andrew Wilson debates Desiree about traditionalism. Andrew argues modern society should return to traditional gender roles; Desiree argues she is functionally traditional (stay-at-home mom) despite work in adult content. Extended debate about whether traditional frameworks are compatible with modern economics.

Should Body Count Be Disclosed Before First Date

Brian poses: should people disclose body count before first date. Panel discussion on double standards between male and female body count.

Self-Defense / Should Women Get Hit Back Discussion

Andrew and others debate whether men should physically respond to women who strike them. Andrew argues no gender exception; Jade is conflicted thinking from a maternal perspective.

Jade Martin — Virginity Loss Story

Jade reveals her technical first sexual experience was non-consensual with a stranger from Grindr at 3am while she was presenting as male during transition. She then sought a consensual first experience through her ex-boyfriend.

Ratings Round — Self-Ratings 1-10

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks on 1-10 scale (no 7). Self-ratings: Desiree 1, Vivian/Lulu 8, Cheyenne 9.5, Andrew 5 then 2, Jade 8. Cheyenne rates Brian 7-7.5 with beard, 5 without. Desiree rates Brian 9.

Desiree Muted by $500 TTS Donation

Viewer Noah R donates $500 to mute Desiree for 10 minutes after Andrew complains about her constant interruptions. Panel continues without her.

Body Count Round

Brian goes around table for body counts. Desiree: 8-10 (authentic choices), disputed as higher. Vivian/Lulu: 5. Jade: 2. Benedetta: 10-15 range (refused exact). Morgan/Cheyenne: 14.

Transcript

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Brian Atlassome goes were like interested in you can you pull it back up really uh Austin uh mute the Audio Oh should I play no no so do you

Brian Atlasknow how to mute the there's a button at the top of the keyboard oh okay just there's a sleep hold on just be very careful there's a sleep button at the top of the keyboard make

Brian Atlassure you don't press that one okay um Okay click click it okay oh at this point it's hopeless we're not going to no no we're not going to play the audio X out of it just X Out

Brian Atlasokay at this so it's hopeless when did you post this um I think back in June okay a

Jade Martincouple months ago yeah June July so you struggle with dating yeah but I think I kind of know the reason why and it's not

Jade Martinthe theories in the comments um I think it has to do with my D transition like I technically grew up my

Jade Martinteenage years the way a boy would so I don't know anything I never experienced being a teenage girl you

Jade Martinknow how to navigate boys and I'm experiencing that now like I never dated I just had the one boyfriend and I only

Jade Martinget men in a friendship context like I don't know it's socially acceptable romantically so but you know I take it personally and that's why in the video I'm comparing myself to the woman around

Brian Atlasme you know they get approach they talk about having rosters and I just don't get it but I think it has to do with my D transition aren't you on oh we also have your dating app profile too you're

Brian Atlason you're how long you've been on a dating app for two years two years and then you also have your social media present so I'm assuming you're getting

Brian Atlasquite a bit of I mean maybe you're getting some attention right some DMS um I guess well there's a differential here

Jade Martinso are you not getting the attention from the type of men that you want and that you're attracted to um people with anime profile pictures

Jade MartinI don't not real men you know like or they live in different states um unrealistic things like that no okay um

Brian Atlaspull it back up the Tik Tok yeah I oh yeah it's just it's fun one sec guys we're getting it in

Brian Atlasjust a sec can I say something or add something just a sec uh scroll down a little bit okay so uh the the one on the far right here

Brian Atlaswomen approaching Men first is a 99% success rate I'm pretty sure I've said this [ __ ] so why do I keep getting rejected and

Brian Atlasghosted um so I'm going to tie these two Tik toks these these first two together a little bit so um let's explore this a

Brian Atlaslittle bit um first with the rejection or well going to the rejection one how many guys have rejected you um

Jade Martinum I don't know a number but I think that was more so tied to the first date that I had and after that you know

Jade Martinapproaching guys I think I'm just too bold romantically like I said I don't understand romantic cues I don't know it's socially acceptable well so

Brian Atlasdid you approach the first guy that you went on a date on with yes okay so how did you approach him through

Brian Atlashinge well okay so you matched what we went on two dates and this is the guy from like two years ago right after you broke up with your twoe boy right after

Jade Martinuh so you approached him on hinge what does that mean I matched with him first I liked him first um who sent the first message I did what did you say um I

Jade Martinforgot I complimented him and he asked me out on a date okay and have you done any approaches in

Jade Martinperson um when going to clubs uh yeah it doesn't work

Jade Martinout how often do you go out to clubs or not often you know I went when I was traveling occasionally very occasionally I don't do it every weekend I don't do

Brian Atlasit every month it's occasional but you can you should hide that Austin the Discord or I guess it's fine um uh sorry repeat yourself um

Jade Martinoccasionally so I don't go out every weekend not even every month but every time it just hasn't worked out well I need to investigate this a little bit

Brian Atlasbecause women will say like I made eye contact with him and that's like the female version of making a move so I need you to be very specific when you say like you're making the move or

Brian Atlasyou're approaching men at bar and nightclubs are you walking up to men and saying hi I'm Jade I guess not like

Jade Martinsaying hello but trying to approach them so what do you mean what do you mean like walking up to them so you are approaching them in a way yeah are you

Jade Martinwalking up and standing next to them without saying anything making eye contact I like eye contact so do you okay just be really

Jade Martinclear with me do you walk up and say something to them no so what do you do I've been told that that's not acceptable as a woman it's absolutely

Jade Martinacceptable but so so tell me what you exactly do haven't caught up on but tell me so okay pull it pull it back up the tick uh the

Brian AtlasTik Tok okay women approaching Men first is a 99% success rate so why do I keep getting rejected and ghosted okay okay so aside from 2 years ago when you sent

Brian Atlasyou matched with a guy you sent the first like on the dating app and you sent the first message yes I mean not not really what I call putting yourself

Jade Martinout there G he ghosted me after the two dates yeah but that's but you didn't really I mean I mean that also has to do

Jade Martinwith me dming guys and then they lose interest over time you DM guys yeah and they just ghost here let's uh role play

Jade Martinpretend you're sliding into my DMs go ahead um I don't know hey cutie is that that's your goto yeah I guess winky face

Brian Atlasuh I'd be like uh I should give her some material Brian not your turn um so just hey cutie that's your go too how many times have you sent that out

Brian Atlasjust curious I'm just at the top of my head I don't I don't know Ju Just I I'll do the role play but just CU are you sending this like who are you sliding

Jade Martininto the DMS of like just random from hinge or oh from hinge yeah oh damn that's that's extra and they talk for a bit and then they just like so you'll

Brian Atlaswould you say I saw you on hinge yeah and then okay um okay so the context there is it's not like you're sliding have you slid into the DMS of like

Brian Atlassomeone famous or something they've been in my DMs but no I don't famous guys have dm'd you yeah but I don't like famous what what kind of musicians like

Jade Martinactors what's can you say are you down to say no did you flirt with them or have any back and forth or anything that's I don't want somebody with that

Jade Martintype of platform I like I mean aren't you a content creator I mean not you know straight up actor

Jade Martinfamous like A-list actor no like BDC something you would see on a TV show like Hallmark movie type [ __ ] no just a TV show like a good TV show or like a

Brian Atlasshitty TV show like good like this shit's going to get cancelled next yeah okay um okay so you don't want to date somebody in the entertainment industry

Brian Atlasnot right now no okay so interest um so you don't really approach men then in your Tik Tok you say you do though kind

Brian Atlasof kind of and you also say like you struggle with dating yet these super successful I assume attractive men have slid into

Jade Martinyour DMs but you reject them more so it just doesn't work out like I just what do you mean you said you reject them I reject them the didn't you say that the guys who these famous

Jade Martinguys or whatever who DM you you reject them um well there was one that was just inappropriate so okay I'm not into that

Jade MartinI didn't like that so I ghosted him because I'm not dirty the other one um he ghosted and I think it's just because we didn't get along like we just weren't

Jade Martinvibing mhm [Music] um so yeah I see why he ghosted mhm and there was another one that

Brian Atlasghosted same situation we just weren't matching well I'm going to read this really quick honestly different make style many men would be in to you

Brian AtlasIMO at what point do you tell them your switch is the real question if early on seems like it will make them leave how you do well she's not trans I'm not

Jade Martintrans right like you're born female I can give birth I just got off my cycle not sure I can say that like your period yeah oh yeah you can talk about that if

Desireeyou want I guess um just got off my period I'm female okay thank you for sharing any other girls want to share your current status I'm like I have like the same

Desireeluck I feel like as you I mean maybe bro you just smash like two dudes in like a week ago yeah but what are you talking about well that was like me being

Desireeimpulsive and not calculated and like trying to you know really down wait wait when you say calculated what do you mean well it was

Desireelike it was impulsive I was like I I want to go do something I'm feeling very confident right now you were you were

Desireeovulating probably I might have been we get so crazy ovula an ovulating female is not her normal self can we show you got to show just saying it's a

Cheyenne McGeething wa I also feel like in this day and age I think more like I feel like men want us to start chasing them I guess cuz they're tired of being constantly

Desireerejected I think they want a sabatical from their traditional like Hunter role that's what I'm thinking too like um and I think there's like these almost uh Alpha females rising up in the culture

Desireeto be like sure I'll hunt you cuz I kind of do have the same problem too I'm kind of a hunter stop stop stop go ahead um I kind of do have the same problem too especially the height seems a little

Cheyenne McGeeintimidating to me how tall are you um I'm 6 5 64 65 wait really yeah can you stand up real quick yeah

Desireeor damn get it girl get it girl NBA you need a you need a basketball maybe you need a basketball s 59 no Morgan how tall are you four okay let's do that

Brian Atlaslet's do that won't you both stand up well The Real Slim Shady please stand up okay so 65 all right there you go uh okay that could be a little tough but

Brian Atlaswait didn't you you want a house husband so you're fine with the roles being switch f with the roles being switched um oh sorry I'm perfectly fine with the roles being switched um unfortunately

Cheyenne McGeeI'm still trying to work up the C must up the courage to start like approaching men and talking to them cuz you are kind of right the little look and stares that we think it's our form of FLIR flirting

Jade Martinor at least I do yeah so um so have you approached a guy in the club no not the way you're describing it I think I have the opposite problem is I'm so

Jade Martinmasculine when it comes to love I like chasing and I like initiating and okay

Jade Martinand I guess guys just don't like that and well hey I got to ask you uh so you said earlier uh I was kind of taking notes as

Andrew Wilsonyou were going that you thought that some of this had to do with the D transition yeah but I wanted to make sure that I got some of the numbers straight here if I remember earlier in the conversation you can correct me if I'm wrong um you said that you didn't

Andrew Wilsonactually begin the transition till you're 18 right yeah around my 18 birthday yeah and you're only 24 is that correct yeah okay and you only took

Andrew Wilsonhormones right yes no Sur okay and for how long did that occur uh about 3 years 3 years okay so

Jade Martinfrom 18 to roughly 22 20 20 so two years two years no three I

Andrew Wilsonwas turning 21 so okay gotcha and you had just turned 18 yeah okay I see and so uh why do you but why do you think it's the D transition

Jade Martinlike um I don't even think anybody would ever know that unless she told them right um no it has nothing to do with

Jade Martinlike the health issues or like the voice I think it has to do socially like when I was detransitioning my mom and sister

Jade Martinwere catching me up on little things like don't do your mascara in the car and I didn't have that I don't

Jade Martinunderstand I'm basically a teenage girl right now I don't understand boys what I don't understand yeah I mean you remained you remained in the gender role

Andrew Wilsonof a woman until you were 17 years old I mean it's not it's not like the social cues weren't there for you to see for

Jade Martinthose 17 years right um no so socially I transitioned when I was 11 and then I took hormones at 18 so

Jade Martinsocially I was that way since I was 11 and okay so you lived as a boy since you were 11 yeah okay okay now that makes more sense so boy you can't be a boy as

Andrew Wilsona female yeah yeah I understand I'm just using the uh language of the left so when we're talking about like the idea of the constructive gender or whatever

Andrew Wilsonyou lived your gender as a boy right yeah okay from from age 11 until age 18

Andrew Wilsonwell actually till age 21 almost or 21 21 yeah okay gotcha okay well that that's a whole different story

Jade Martinso was that re forced by your parents or uh no not at all I think it was my

Jade Martinsocial setting that groomed me into that um your parents didn't like it no but I mean they couldn't fight me on it

Jade Martinbecause they were guilted by a psychologist and socially I see okay so essentially right

Jade Martinnow you're trying to uh so I mean I don't understand what was when you were in high school then were you trying to have a boy experience or were you still treated like a girl in high school um I was treated like a boy

Jade Martinbecause it was a very liberal school it was an art school so I didn't really hang around the girls I just I don't get

Andrew Wilsonit I still don't have girlfriends well I mean neither do most women so don't feel bad about that yeah

DesireeMorgan can you read that on screen yeah uh girl in blue sorry transition transitioning that young I have to ask do you think you were mature enough to transition desire reading your book

Desireeshould read traditional woman Jen Harrison wait did it say he asked you if I was mature enough yeah do you think

Jade Martinyou were matur enough no not at all I was a kid you're still a kid at 18 you're still a kid at

Jade Martin17 um no I was completely neglected medically I did not have dysphoria I had dis body dysmorphia I was bullied by

Jade Martingirls about my body um how I looked it was neglect uh yeah I had a binge eating

Brian Atlasdisorder yeah all right uh Hillary thank you and then this one must have came in but the audio was muted I guess so I'll just let

TTS/Donationsit come through grao tag donated $200 hey guys here's $200 to let you know Andrew is over on his stream trying to talk to you but apparently you've

Brian Atlasmuted him audio double check that is yeah we're a couple Hang-Ups the audio got muted um wait let me check that really quick

Brian AtlasI'm going to have to fix that too okay um so let me see where we were here can you pull back up the window tab with the Tik Tok

Brian Atlasy okay actually just put in the vid uh let's do window tab okay uh so women approaching Men first is a 99% success rate so why do I

Brian Atlaskeep getting rejecting ghost but you're not approaching so okay we've established this you're not approaching to the DMS is not approaching nah not really not really I

Brian Atlasmean it's initiating yeah it's not approaching though um but you said you would try to like go to the club and just like be standing there like looking

Jade Martinat the dude or I did approach a guy actually in Europe but guess he had a girlfriend I don't I mean no I mean he

Jade Martindidn't tell me he did just gave me his Instagram at acted like he was single but he wasn't right so um have any of

Jade Martinthe men told you why uh when it comes to like the rejection and ghosting um no my first date that I ever had well I kind

Jade Martinof have an answer to it he came across as a guy that was traditional looking for a girlfriend wanting to take me out on three dates and I got the impression that

Jade Martinthat's where it was going and once he slept with me he ghosted and I didn't understand why uh for the past two years I thought that

Jade Martinthere was something wrong with me um I thought that he was just on an endless search for the perfect girlfriend but he just told me that he wasn't ready for a relationship

Brian Atlasjust out of the blue wait let me look at the Timeline here so this is the guy who you dated right after the breakup of your two relationship and you said you went on two dates with him okay and then two dates and then you

Brian Atlashook up on the have sex on the second date yes okay and [Music] then that was no explanation up until

Brian Atlasnow oh wait you're still in touch with him not in touch but wait but this was two years ago I guess technically what do you mean no explanation until

Jade Martinnow I don't know why he just decided to reach out to me he wanted something casual and I told him that I didn't mean to give him that

Jade Martinimpression because I actually liked him and honestly I didn't get that impression if that's what he wanted I wouldn't have slept with him I got the impression that he was taking me

Jade Martinseriously that he actually liked me that he was a traditional man mhm um so he just hit me up for something casual and and that's when I realized yeah

Jade Martinliterally and that's sorry that's when you realized that I was just used he didn't communicate to me that I guess he was using me I wouldn't have slept with

Jade Martinhim so did you have an overt conversation about expectations um originally somewhat yeah he came across that way he was like you know

Jade Martinoh um I forgot it's it something about I can introduce you to my guy friends as my girlfriend that like little things like

Jade Martinthat that would indicate and talking about taking me on three taking me out on three dates making me his

Jade Martingirlfriend mhm and so he just comes off as a traditional guy on his hinged profile right so so of course

Brian Atlasit's the impression I got okay um and so would this have been better or worse if you guys had dated for 3 months and then he broke up with

Brian Atlasyou broke up with you which would you have preferred worse if what if we dated for longer for longer and then he ended well I mean so at what point like do you

Jade Martinthink he was in the wrong for what he did um for not wanting to keep seeing you I don't personally I no not I think the miscommunication is

Jade Martinwrong like you should have told me oh I want something casual not give the impression that you're taking me out on a date to get to know me because you

Jade Martinwant a girlfriend so he did say that so yeah somewhat indicated on his profile would say little things like that throughout the date wait he said it

Jade Martinon his profile or he said it to you his profile gives off that impression yeah you know how on Hing it's like looking I need you to try to be a little more like it's been so long it's like you know on hinge it's like

Brian Atlaslooking for long-term relationship but do you see how things are starting to shift here so initially you said he told you these things but now it's he had on his would say he said on his dating app

Brian Atlasso on the dating app you can say I'm looking for this and you could say I'm looking for shortterm I'm looking for long term some people put both yeah it would it said long term it said longm

Brian Atlasyes I well does that bind him to date you in perpetuity if he goes on one day with you or sleeps with you is he bound to continue seeing you no of course not I just didn't like the miscommunication

Brian Atlascuz I wouldn't have gone out with someone if they were just looking for something casual well I don't know if there's actually any sort of contradiction here in terms so perhaps on his dating

Brian Atlasprofile it said looking for long term but he has no qualms with sleeping with someone early on and right could there have

Jade Martinbeen is there anything that you could have done to contribute to him not wanting to see you again um no personally I enjoyed the date I guess were there any sexual

Brian AtlasHang-Ups that occurred or anything what do you mean well for example for example um if I otherwise really liked a girl

Brian Atlasand she started crying oh no sex even if I was previously inclined to have long-term relationship with her like I would have alarm Bells going off

Brian Atlasin my head like yeah there's something wrong here no I don't feel comfortable anymore so did something not at all occur no I guess during

Jade Martinafter no I guess he just confirmed to me that it was casual the whole time and it kind of broke my heart cuz that's not how I saw it um wait it broke your heart

Jade Martinwell it hurt no it just hurt like I don't I don't want to be used and the fact that I had just gotten out of a relationship

Jade Martinand you know that the intimacy and that was not necessarily romantic it just it felt bad

Brian Atlasto hear that his intentions weren't what I thought well I don't know all the details of it uh perhaps you were misled

Brian Atlasum as for your comments about like it's social taboo to like yeah flirt or hit on a guy I actually don't think it's the case at all um I think most men would

Brian Atlasactually invite look we don't want you to like come up to us and be like want a [ __ ] oh no although I suppose some men would be okay I personally would find

Brian Atlasthat a bit a little bit too much um but like you can be taking the initiative and still do so in a fairly fem way

Brian Atlasthat's not going to be offputting to a man and so me personally like if a girl uh like slides into my DMs and is Direct in the sense that cuz some girls will

Brian Atlaslike slide to the DMS and be like ask me oh like can I be on the show but then they're like trying to actually oh actually I don't want to be on the show I just want to like meet you or whatever

Brian Atlasum like it's just like you can just be like hey I'm interested like I at least for me I have no objections to a girl I think physically I'm very bold and I

Jade Martinmight come across as that I don't want something genuine you know I guess it could come off as desperate

Desireeor sexual overly confident or they I get a lot of times that they they almost think that we're like trolling them or like we not that serious or they like

Jade Martinyou just want to hook up yeah something like that those aren't my intentions I'm just very romantic and bold and I like to

Jade Martininitiate and if I come across that way and they don't like it I I guess I I don't like that I have to be sitting there hoping that he's going

Jade Martinto kiss me hoping that he'll hold my hand hoping that he'll initiate something I'm just not like that but it could come across as wrong and I hate it because I don't just want to sit there

Jade Martinand hope that he well with with this guy did you initiate the first kiss um I don't remember I guess yeah I leaned in and he

Jade Martinfollowed yeah the most recent I initiated it but yeah and then following that I initiated everything with both guys just like actually I want to open up to the whole

Cheyenne McGeepanel those of you who've had some recent dating experience are guys like scared to make the first move like what's going on is that yes I believe they are especially this generation um or and when I say first move like going

Cheyenne McGeein for the kiss or moving things forward sexually yes and maybe maybe it's because of the whole like me too movement or I don't know I think gender rals are really starting to switch and change up especially since sexual um you

Brian Atlasknow sexuality and gender is very fluid now right Morgan what any experience on that like guys are they scared to go for the first kiss I don't think really scared

Desireenow I don't I'm not I never had no no issue with that any issues not making the first move but if I am like kind of like bold and I'm like trying to push

Desireethings forward I feel like it's not really well received it's kind of like offputting to them they're like well could they just like are they just not

Brian Atlasinto you at all uh that's possible well hold on these are two different things corfo tags a lot of guys who are normally monogamous may take advantage of a girl who naively puts too much

Brian Atlastrust in him and that's sex too early they'll rationalize that for once they get to be the blank what is that I'm going to slute I'm

Brian Atlasassuming yes slute shaking my head yo graffo tag thank you for the uh TTS really appreciate it man thank you I have no problem with initiating that's

Jade Martinwhat I prefer um I am also feminine and I do like them to initiate but I'm just I'm

Brian Atlasvery romantic I like to be bold and like you said it's just not received well right well so but I mean so you're saying you have gone in but like do they

Desireeactually kiss you or is it like no no no oh well I don't know I don't I'm not physically initiating I'm like like if I am like really like I have a tendency I

Desireeguess to be a little too uh communicate like I will kind of get obsessed with people so I text too much I feel like and I

Desireefeel like text too early you have to text after 1 hour freaked out I like when a girl Sims to be honest yeah I'm I'm like that I'm like I will just get really obsessed with people wait hold on

Desireebut hold on okay so we were talking about like going in for the kiss no not not like that well that's what we were talking about well I thought I was just talking about I'm bold like okay how are

Desireeyou bold tell us how you're bold well I I kind I was like like pursuing a guy for a really long time it was like the first guy I ever like tried to pursue I

Desireehad never been in a relationship and I like kept like he was just talking to me because he probably enjoyed like the attention but he did not want like anything to do with

Desireeme like he didn't want to date me he was like he was he would be like talking to me and stuff but like he made it clear he didn't want to date me but I just

Desireelike kept like well I kept like talking to him as like a like you know sending him reels or whatever and you would talk back and because I like was hoping I got like friend zone

Desireebasically So when you say you're like too much oh well also on also like if I when I first meet a guy I feel like I

Desireetalk a lot and I'm kind of opinionated it's probably that like very opinionated I feel like hold on so you said that

Brian Atlaslike you put like you you do too much yeah I feel like I am too passionate so you said this guy friendzoned you so you

Desireeshot your shot yeah how did you do it I said like I dm'd him he was like in my history class and I DMD him like pretty

Desireeearly on in the school year I didn't know anyone um okay and just like I think I what did you say

DesireeI don't think I was very subtle I mean I definitely like told him straight up I can't remember what I said but it was like I maybe said like you're cute or

Desireesomething or or maybe I like directly like asked him to like hang out and what did he say he said he he's not he's not

Benedettalike dating dating and then he got a girlfriend like later okay on in the year but can I say something like I think that this is the thing with men like if they like you they say yes if

Benedettathey don't they say no whatever the reason is there is no reason I think they try to be polite maybe about it and that's why they either kind of G if I have to to say no I say oh no I'm not in

Benedettathis situation but if I meet someone that I like I go on a DAT like I think it's just normal I don't know yeah I feel like in today's atmosphere to

Rebeccaanswer your question Brian um our guys just taking a step back Etc in that regard I feel like it has um a lot to do with the atmosphere surrounding feminism and where it's gone over the last 50

Rebeccayears um how women are stepping up and they want you know like I said before taking on more of those masculine roles men are taking a step back and women are

Brian Atlasstepping up and also it has to do with um the mixed signals females are giving uh is Andrew mute Andrew are you muted can you talk no yeah I'm good oh okay

Brian Atlasfor some people are telling me you were muted but I was I was earlier in the show okay I'm not yeah I'm not sure what happened there um oh so okay going back to you Jade you

Brian Atlassaid remembering the time remembering the time I went viral for getting done so horrendously bad maybe this is yeah that was a story yeah it went viral

Jade Martinwhich guy is this about my ex-boyfriend so oh the homeless guy who 15K okay we talked about that I had to delete it

Jade Martinbecause because of the girl's privacy but it was a video of me um catching him cheating so I found her

Jade Martinprofile and um I just filmed myself and I think the caption was like just found out my ex was living a double life and I have his name tatted on me and it just

Brian Atlasblew up you have yeah wait hold on this is new the you have yeah his name tatted on you mhm where on my arm can you show it to the

Andrew Wilsoncamera what what's the name what name is that Malachi hold on just to be clear just just Malachi did he hang out

Jade Martinin cornfields by chance he he was actually Nam to an Amish guy bro what he was actually named Malachi because of Children of the Corn cuz he looks like him that's what I was referencing was

Jade MartinChildren of the Corn BR that's actually why he was named that you should just put like a corn stock by it it's getting removed I need like seven more sessions left um but I mean was it any Solace to

Andrew Wilsonyou that I think in the movie Malachi dies like a horrible death gets I think he gets like ripped apart by demons in the movie so like is that any Solace to

Jade Martinyou at all I mean an omen yeah he already is dealing with the horrible fate

Desireeso how long were you guys dating a year did you say almost two how soon like in did you get his name

Jade Martintatted at the end of the first year um did he get your name no he was going to it was not out of love it was

Jade Martinout of survival that's why I don't have any shame and also it's going to be gone I'm getting it lasered um but Malachi it was not out of love he

Jade Martinwas abusive and I felt like if I didn't do what he said he would leave or do something terrible so damn um

Jade MartinMalachi so that's the video that went viral and but it's not it was on Tik Tok yeah how many views did it get about the same as this most

Brian Atlasrecent uh Austin can you pull up back up the window Tab and the Tik toks there's just a few more uh oh you got to hide that can't show that um uh there's

Brian Atlasscroll down a little bit scroll down if you can there's another one I wanted to uh how much yeah stop there how much Aura did I lose when I bought a bouquet of sunflowers for my ex-boyfriend

Brian Atlasbecause I used to call him my sunflower kind of wholesome but only to find out that he gave that bouquet to the girl he was cheating with till this

Brian Atlasday I have never received flowers from a guy damn um that's the guy who yeah the two-year

Jade Martinguy yeah sunflower damn she posted a picture of him with the bouquet and she was like oh he's so

Brian Atlasromantic damn that's next 15K he spent it on this chick got him a flower

Brian Atlasnever receive flowers till this day never no but come on I'm sure like after a girl post some [ __ ] like that aren't there going to be a bunch of like simps in the DM like oh I'll get you

Jade Martinflowers as I said anime pfps or doesn't count guys that live across the world uh do we have more reacts what's the next

Brian Atlastab over is it tweets we got tweets we have a picture my husbanding fly oh we'll get to the tweets later then yeah we'll just do that one okay ladies what do you think about this and Andrew

Brian Atlaswhat do you think about this uh so Morgan can you read this one or actually Ana can you uh read what this says my husband is making us fly home from our

Desireehoneymoon after one day because he found out I sent my ex a simple goodbye text on the morning of our wedding it was a goodbye text for goodness sake not and I

Desireewill always love you text not to drop everything and meet me at the altar text next I need to say goodbye to have closure on the unmarried part of my life please tell me my sensitive nostalgic gires

Desireeunderstands your guys's reaction to that is that cool for her wedding day whatever no I don't think it was sending a goodbye text I think she should have

Desireetaken care of that like the night she got engaged or something not like that should have been way before she got that committed in relationship un it's very unbelievable distasteful very rude okay

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Brian Atlaswhat that article oh the article for Jade yeah N I think I mean she kind of already explained like the all the D so you can ex out that one what's the next one we got some tweets from Jade

Brian Atlassome some spicy takes uh every time I hear boys will be boys my heart shatters for the little actually Jade can you read that first one I'll just have you read it it's I think it goes longer than that show more

Jade Martinum every time I hear boys will be boys my heart shatters for the little girl in me that once believed men were going to be princess when I grew up every time it's a short and simple saying too short

Jade Martinas if there's a a deafening silence that finishes a sentence instead of a period there's an unspoken discussion that should prede it but there never is it's dismissive you can't argue against the phrase once it's spoken I feel helpless

Brian Atlaswhen I hear it and then can you go back cuz there's more back to like just back yeah and then scroll down yah most

Brian Atlaspeople to yeah actually everyone does tolerate man [ __ ] and men being promiscuous um so women grew up believing they would get

Jade Martinprinces I did um you did but like do you think because of my dad and how my brothers were raised yeah and I was a sheltered kid so it was very shocking to

Brian Atlasme to see how boys how they were actually like and not like my dad but so that you you wrote that August 5th of 20124 cuz some people sometimes we bring

Brian Atlasup tweets and people like well it was a year ago two years ago doesn't count what ever but like and I'm not saying this to attack you or insult you but like so you want guys to be princes but

Brian Atlaslike if you're looking at the value proposition here so you willingly were in a relationship

Brian Atlaswith a guy who was abusive you spent $155,000 on him he was homeless you still have his name tattooed on you yeah

Brian Atlasum and I'm not saying this to attack you but like looking at all these things from a guy's perspective it's like how am I supposed to give a girl the

Brian Atlasprincess treatment she's got a tattoo of a dude who treated her like [ __ ] on her yeah like and I'm not saying that to be mean I'm just saying like if like I

Brian Atlaswould I can't give a girl the first off I don't do that to begin with I can't give a girl the princess treatment if she has a mark on her with another man's

Brian Atlasname like and I'm look I'm sure the guy was a jerk I'm not trying to downplay that but it's like in order for you to receive princess treatment like don't

Brian Atlasyou have to be a princess and I'm again I'm not trying to insult you but it's like looking at it from an outside perspective it's like do you are you a

Jade Martinprincess um well I think if you don't love me enough to wait a few months for my tattoo to disappear

Jade Martinthen okay that's fine but it's not permanent and I was so young I think that because I was so sheltered and

Jade Martindidn't realize that's how guys were that's why I got taken advantage of because I grew up in that environment where my dad was very respectful like I didn't understand

Jade Martinred flags I didn't understand that guys just weren't kind and that he was taking advantage of me when you first met him did you know he

Jade Martinwas homeless um I'm assuming yeah I mean he was working as a truck driver and that's how he lived how old was he 27 and how

Jade Martinold were you I was 20 what initially Drew you to him I mean was he really physically attractive he was very charismatic and yes attractive blasted in tattoos he had some tattoos

Jade Martinsome tattoos um but I don't think my value is diminished by what someone else inflicted on me I mean it's in the past

Jade MartinI'm sure we've all had people that have hurt us in some way I don't think that's a reflection of how I am capable of

Jade Martinloving you or I mean it was years ago I'm not the same girl well I mean I guess my angle here is

Brian Atlaslike I me personally like not to say that people can't be redeemed and people look people make mistakes I've made mistakes when it comes to dating

Jade Martinbut it does like kind of call what's that I don't think I need to redeem myself for being abused essentially I mean this tattoo

Jade Martinwasn't it's more like a branding more like a branding for a slave if I didn't do it what would have happened to me I know my reasoning don't you have strong

Jade Martinfamily male family members yes but it was very um didn't she say you had a bodyguard too or was that more jok did not live around me at

Brian Atlasthe time I did not know him at the time wait when you say you were abused um wait like the cheating no no

Andrew Wilsonor were there other things other things it's called narcissistic abuse so they essentially isolate you slowly over time from your social like oh come on narcissistic abuse that's what it's

Desireecalled [ __ ] they take you systematically through like a textbook um process of isolating you from your family your friends disorienting you they do love bombing

Desireethen they slowly taper off their love and essentially that's why I'm weird the way I am because I was raised like that too I mean it was yeah I'm not really sure that you have enough information here to make a diagnosis about narcissistic abuse

Andrew Wilsonto be I mean just to be like perfectly blunt there's h i mean we're still kind of getting through the story right but just like instantly narcissistic abuse does it always with you desert does it always revolve around just narcissism

Andrew Wilsonjust anytime bad thing happen to girl it's a it's because the guy's a narcissist every single time or could it be that there are some women in this world who just [ __ ] suck could that

Desireealso be true yeah I was raised by a few of them yeah

Brian Atlasyeah but I I just I guess my I guess going back to the original point is

Brian Atlaslike this is a message that you put out on Twitter like a couple days ago or well a month ago about yeah and uh you

Brian Atlasknow you're talking about you had this expectation that men or princes men be princes but it's like I mean I didn't maybe you were like

Brian Atlasa princess before that happened or whatever but it's just like I'm again I'm not trying to insult you but it's like I meet a girl and she's got a

Brian Atlastattoo of another dude's name like what Disney story is like the princess I mean I'm not saying I'm expecting that I just isn't that what

Jade Martinyou're no I'm saying that I expected previous to him that that's what I expected that's how she got in a toxic relationship cuz that's what she expected can I say something so wait no

Benedettano no hold on okay actually I'll just ignore that go ahead uh so first of all I think that you should expect it like you should expect to to meet someone that treat you

Benedettalike a princess whatever happened to you before like no matter doesn't matter because if you are in a relationship and you get trig like they I don't know [ __ ]

Benedettawith your head or whatever and you don't even like see what you're doing and you feel ashamed of what you did because maybe you now regret that one I don't

Benedettaknow whatever it doesn't matter like it happen and you move on and then you find your your person that's it like it it

Benedettait's not I don't think it's something that like she didn't uh behave like a princess it's not that I don't think it

Benedettais thank you well so are all women deserving of are all women deserving of Princess treatment no no no I think that you have to find your person and you have to find

Benedettasomeone that treats you well like you treat treats him yeah she should be treated well but like I didn't say I expect I don't know what you mean about

Jade Martinlike princess like I don't know what you mean like the I didn't I didn't mean to say that I expected princess treatment at all all I'm just it was more so me

Jade Martinsaying I grew up on Disney movies and my dad I can't believe this is how guys are I didn't say I they're not they're not all like this like I can swear that like

Brian AtlasI I never been in a relation like this they're not not all like this wait how long into the relationship did you like how far into the relationship did you

Jade Martinget one year one year did the abuse start prior to that no uh it wait till the relationship was good for a year no

Jade Martinat that point that's when it was like survival mode wait I'm a little confused here you said the abuse didn't start until later in the relationship yeah so like a few months

Jade Martinum and at the year mark That's when I got it at that point it was bad that was the worst wait the relationship was

Brian Atlasterrible and then he so he grabbed your arm walked you into the tattoo shop and said get the [ __ ] tattoo no but he

Jade Martinwas did agressive um it was after an argument and he had been telling me to get it

Jade Martinand who started the argument he was always arguing with me I don't argue in relationships I don't yell back I don't it was more so him yelling at me and me

Brian Atlasjust sitting there and taking it so you said you got the tattoo for survival yeah that was my mentality he he was threatening to harm you if you did not get the tattoo it was more so like it

Jade Martinhad gone to the point where anything that I didn't do it had repercussions I mean even if I was not bubbly if I even showed a single hint of sadness he would

Desireeget aggressive so at that point it was like anything he said I will do it was cuz you're constantly walking on eggshells so you don't really know

Desireehow they're going to react you just know they might throw something because I'm not wearing the right dress today or anything and you can get seriously injured so

Desireeit's that's the best way I can describe it is you're always in this hypervigilant state of like any wrong move and you're [Music]

Desireedone so did he go with you to get the tattoo no I went um yeah you were probably trying to get back on his good

Desireegraces after the worst you thought you were in love with him I mean uh yeah you have to understand they

Desireedon't start out this way they start out like love bombing doing all the right things saying all the right things giving attention and if she was lacking some of those red flag you know Mees

Brian Atlaswell look she would I will be charitable and say there's this was her first boyfriend there was some degree of Ni but uh I mean the guy was homeless

Jade Martinright um when you met him yeah well I mean this is not a this is not mean living out of his truck yeah but eventually when you say truck like his

Jade Martinpickup truck or he had a what he was a truck driver okay I mean he made good money but he didn't have anywhere to

Brian Atlasstay so did he live with you no no did you guys ever live together no okay um if would he disagree with every like how

Brian Atlasyou're characterizing all this would he disagree or would be like or would he say yeah I was a piece of [ __ ] I was abusive no he actually did come back and try to win me over and we talked about

Jade Martineverything that happened and he did try to redeem himself but the second that he got aggressive I ghosted him

Brian Atlasso wait when he tried to come back into the picture yeah okay huh I see

Brian Atlashuh uh well let's pull the Tweet back up can you pull it up

Brian Atlasy um wait men were going to be princes when I grew up every time you

Jade Martinum all right let's do the next tweet uh can you read this one um I was not meant to be born a woman I'm a giver not a receiver I hate

Jade Martinmy entire Anatomy being the receiver I want the power of deciding when to have children I want the power of loving like a man I want the power of picking when to get married I hate being a woman

Jade Martinforced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love they decide whether or not they want to be your Bo boyfriend well I sit there [ __ ] out of luck hoping to be noticed I hate being a

Jade Martinwoman I was right about wanting to be a boy my heart is so masculine I don't know how it fits into my into this

Brian Atlasbody [Music] um pull it up one more time I I'm sorry I got I got to reference a couple things

Brian Atlashere okay so just keep it pulled up actually so you're a giver so like you like to Peg guys is that what no you have you pegged a dude no okay just

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