Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Scumbag Doctor GHOSTS Her After Taking Her V-CARD?! | Dating Talk #152

Date: 2024-04-15

Duration: 8h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMillennial Millie >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson (alt segment)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_03Faith(guest)

SPEAKER_04Daliah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Alicia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kisha(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Millennial Millie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Renee(guest)

SPEAKER_14Eden(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian asks guests to introduce themselves; reveals notable panel: 21yo married Faith, former OnlyFans creator Raina, 27yo Kisha with trafficked sister.

“"please tell us your name age location and occupation"”

OtherRaina introduces herself as a 21yo who has had OnlyFans for 2 years and is looking for a new job after quitting.

“"my name is Raina and I'm 21 and um my occupation I've had only fans for the past two years"”

OtherKisha reveals she was briefly married; husband put her in hospital; her sister was trafficked and she has not seen her in 4 years.

“"he had put me in the hospital... my sister was trafficked... I haven't seen her for four years"”

OtherRenee says "I wish I was aborted" as a hypothetical argument for abortion rights; panel takes it seriously and checks on her wellbeing; she clarifies it was rhetorical.

“"I wish my mom had aborted me... I wasn't alive today because my childhood was rough"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women should not have the right to vote; argues rights are social constructs enforced only by men. Brian quickly disavows the position on camera.

“"men are the enforcers of Rights... only men should be able to have the stake and the claim to vote"”

QuoteBrian publicly disavows Andrew's women-shouldn't-vote position to protect channel from cancellation.

“"women should vote I'm I'm fine with it not trying to get cancelled"”

QuoteDaliah rates herself a solid 8 in looks.

“"do a solid eight solid eight"”

OtherRaina recounts visiting LA for modeling; her agent had no real license; she received death threats at the model house on her first trip to LA.

“"apparently my agent didn't even have a real license... when I got to the model house I was getting death threats"”

OtherFaith recounts waking up with unexplained dark bruises after sleeping with an atheist coworker she describes as possibly an "Antichrist" type; never saw him again; experience drove her to celibacy and Christianity.

“"I woke up with um like things bruis like bruises and what the [bleep]... really really dark bruises and I don't know how they got there"”

OtherEden recounts being a 19yo virgin who dated a 40yo podiatrist from San Francisco for 3 months; he took her virginity then immediately blocked her on all platforms. He kept a digital Kindle scrapbook of every woman with photos and written reviews.

“"after after we had sex though I I got home and I was blocked... there was chapters"”

QuoteBrian's shocked reaction to Eden's doctor ghosting story.

“"holy F*** bro this is... he had the big book of virgins"”

QuoteRaina discloses her body count as 21; notes she knows a civilian man with 23 so she is "doing better than most."

“"uh like 21... I know a guy with 23 and he wasn't even a sex worker"”

OtherBrian announces this was the longest stream ever, breaking the 8-hour mark, then raids WowGrandma78 (82yo World of Warcraft streamer) on Twitch.

“"this is our longest show ever we broke the f*** eight hour stream mark... we are going to raid... WowGrandma78 she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. Notable: Kisha reveals briefly married (husband involved in trafficking, put her in hospital); Raina reveals 2-year OnlyFans career; Faith reveals she is 21 and married.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around the table asking about current relationship status, longest relationship, how it ended, and recent dating activity. Renee: on-again-off-again (ex texted her that day). Raina: recently single after 2-year relationship with ~40yo adult film performer. Faith: met husband at club in Berkeley. Kisha: was briefly married, husband became adversarial. Millie: common-law married 12 years, two kids. Eden: 1.5-year age-gap relationship with 32yo.

Men play chess, women play checkers

Kisha presents her father's philosophy that men and women think differently: men play chess (long-term strategy, compartmentalization), women play checkers. Discussion of whether feminists in power are being manipulated by men behind the scenes. Panel debates and partially agrees.

Deal breakers round

Brian asks each guest for their deal breakers in a partner. Renee: no passion in life, no style. Daliah: disrespect, disloyalty. Kisha: man who does not put God first; unequally yoked. Raina: mama's boy, porn-watching, feminine men. Faith: passive/feminine men. Millie: not loyal, no God relationship. Alicia: addiction (vice as mistress). Eden: no goals/career ambition, too much partying. Andrew: cruelty to children and elderly.

Porn, OnlyFans, and body count

Discussion of whether prior adult content work is a deal breaker. Raina (former OF creator) says it depends on context; deal breaker is active habit. Panel analyzes psychology: ex watching porn -> Raina started OF. Brian's position: sex work history is 100% deal breaker for long-term relationship.

Abortion debate

Extended debate triggered by hypothetical: Renee says if she got pregnant tomorrow she would consider abortion because she wants to go to law school. Andrew Wilson argues from pro-life position. Debate covers: when life begins (24-week viability vs conception), Scott Peterson double-homicide analogy, financial readiness argument, adoption and foster care. Renee mentions she sometimes does not want to live; panel addresses this carefully.

Who is a feminist (panel round)

Brian asks each guest if they consider themselves a feminist. Renee: identifies as black feminist (intersectional). Andrew: not a feminist; argues Millie IS a feminist by egalitarian definition. Millie: not a feminist; reformed feminist; believes in traditional gender roles. Faith: not a feminist. Alicia: not a feminist. Eden: qualified yes (equality + traditional roles). Kisha: not a feminist; Christian. Daliah: not political.

Women's voting and Christianity — patriarchy debate

Andrew Wilson argues Christian ethics require patriarchy; female pastors are "fake Christians." Millie partially agrees on traditional roles but rejects women-shouldn't-vote. Panel debates whether submission in marriage means husband has absolute financial authority. Millie says husband manages joint account; she trusts his judgment.

Women's suffrage debate

Andrew Wilson argues women should not have the vote; bases argument on: (1) rights are social constructs enforced by men, (2) only enforcers of rights deserve voting stakes. Millie and Renee argue from constitutional/god-given rights framework. Extended debate on whether rights are real vs social constructs. Brian disavows Andrew's position on-air ("women should vote, I'm fine with it").

Military conscription and women

Panel debates whether gender equality requires women to be subject to military draft. Eden says she would be "not opposed to it." Millie argues women should not be drafted due to reproductive role and physical differences. Andrew runs population/polygamy argument. Brian notes he personally does not support female conscription.

AR-15 in bedroom — gun ownership as red flag?

Chat scenario: perfect man in every way but has a loaded AR-15 next to bed. Renee: would ask why; would want it secured away from future kids. Kisha and others: not a deal breaker if he follows gun laws. Faith: depends on context — goofy college kid vs. grown man. Andrew/Brian: self-defense discussion; AR-15 fires small 5.56 bullets.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Brian has Stiffler (chat) ask each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Daliah: 8. Raina: 8.5. Background voice: 6. Millie declines to rate but chat can rate her. Kisha: 4. Andrew rates his wife at 6. Debate over whether self-rating is meaningful or gendered.

Physical attractiveness: male vs female standards

Extended debate on whether women can objectively rate their own attractiveness. Andrew argues women deflect the question by adding non-physical qualities. Kisha argues women gauge attractiveness through internalized male gaze. Discussion of fertility as basis for male attraction to women. Andrew rates his wife at 6 physically.

Hoe to housewife: can promiscuous women reform?

Panel debates whether women with promiscuous or sex-work backgrounds can make good long-term partners. Kisha (Christian): references Rahab from Bible; reformed individuals deserve family. Brian: women can change but men are not obligated to marry them after. Alicia: shares personal redemption arc around alcoholism. Andrew: hypothetical about son wanting to marry 250-scene OF performer.

Raina's adult industry story

Raina elaborates: started OnlyFans at ~19 living on her own; recruited by message. No family financial support. Ex-boyfriend was ~40yo adult film performer; narcissistic/abusive. He cheated; she found him searching for new girls on YouTube. Also recounts: modeling agency in LA; agent had no real license; received death threats at model house on first visit to LA.

Faith's personal story: party phase, Antichrist encounter, marriage

Faith describes freshman year at ASU: feminist/astrology phase, party culture, depression. Describes relationship with atheist coworker she slept with 3 times after 4-month slow-burn; woke up with unexplained dark bruises; never saw him again; describes this as encounter with "Antichrist-type." Became born-again Christian; met husband at club; married at 21.

Eden's doctor ghosting story

Eden (21yo) recounts: at age 19, met 40yo podiatrist from San Francisco on Tinder. 3-month courtship; daily calls; 5 in-person dates; he promised love and future. He took her virginity; as soon as she got home, he had blocked her on everything. He had a digital Kindle scrapbook with chapters on each woman he'd slept with (reviews, photos, profile pics). Brian/panel: he was a serial virginity-collector. Panel reacts with shock; Eden says she dodged a bullet.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Renee: declines initially; confirms less than 10. Raina: 21. Millie: single digits (between her and future husband; been with current partner since age 20). Daliah: declines. Andrew: declines; teased to multiply whatever he says by 3. Panel agrees men have the right to care about body count.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonwhere they're like afraid to express them in public I guess are kind of afraid to express things they get deerson if they express the wrong opinion what do you mean they get thrown off of all media they get completely I

Andrew Wilsonmean they get debanked they get yeah I would say that there's a pretty institutional drive at this point that's pretty hard hard to ignore I think that's heavier against Christians though I think Christians are some of

Andrew Wilsonpersecuted on the plan you think it's wrong to shut down and oppress other people's opinions no I'm making an a point a specific point about institutional about insn't think I

Andrew Wilsonshould have an opinion on who's President oh my God we all know it's going to be Trump I'm going to be voting for Trump I don't understand why it's hard for you to make a disassociation everybody vote for Trump

Andrew Wilsonso if you're making a disassociation with argument I can hold an argument in my mind without conceding that it's true I can argue a thing without seing it's

Andrew Wilsontrue or false I can run an internal critique without ever seeding it's true or false making the argument that you're wrong is not making the argument that I hold that value I don't know why you're

Andrew Wilsonyou have had a hard time with that all night there's no performative contradictions to anything that I've said me saying that there can be by her definition instit authorities which discriminate against people in no way

Millennial Millieshape or form negates me saying that limiting women's suffrage would be good for societ what you were talking about now just now you're were talking about racism no you were talking about racism and you're talking about internal

Millennial Milliecritique okay you weren't even talking about you're talking about racism and how you think that you know isn't it wrong to to basically shut down white

Andrew Wilsonpeople for example having a say in the matter that they internal it's an internal critique it's not me giving an any actual like here's my

Millennial Millieopinion here's what I think on it it's literally just running criticism on her argument I think it's wrong everyone should have a say in these things and be able to speak on these things no one should be trying to you know say you

Millennial Milliecan't say certain words because we all have freedom of speech which is in the Constitution which you don't believe in but I know you know most Americans do believe in that the right to free spee okay great you know that a great segue so you think that there's a right to

Millennial Milliefree speech really you really think that we have the Constitution which has the First Amendment which which refrains

Andrew Wilsonour government from interfering and infringing on our right to free speech yeah are they uh are they doing that with Mr Jones right now do you think or

Andrew Wilsondo you think that they're impeding his Free Speech his rights Alex Jones mhm oh would you say that the government's impeding his free speech I would say I

Millennial Milliemean you'd have to Define like what um the First Amendment no no no I I hear what you're saying you're talking about a civil lawsuit that happened mhm right

Millennial Milliewhich I believe the accusation was was it slander def defamation right um his speech nobody's came and put a muzzle over his mouth like he technically can

Millennial Milliesay whatever he wants at this point in time but but the thing is is if I went out there and I said something about like the you know something not true about the whatever podcast say I could

Millennial Milliebe liable for that right so I I can't actually go so the I'm not saying whether what he said was true or not I'm not making argument in that the what I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying is that is it an inherent right meaning is there something is something is this something which can be taken from you arbitrarily for no reason given

Andrew Wilsonthe answer is yes First Amendment you have a First Amendment right let's say okay so let me let me try to phrase it the best way I can let's assume another country came in and just like butchered all of our men folk they just gunned them all down with machine guns and left

Andrew Wilsonall the women folk and said none of you [ __ ] got free speech anymore that's what they said they're like none of you [ __ ] no more free speech ever do you have it or

Andrew Wilsonnot no no the right does not exist absent enforcement no right exists absent enforcement that's the point of my AR argument now that's actually my argument now right now you can run an

Millennial Millieinternal critique and you don't even have to agree or give me a position to run one go ahead okay so your opinion is because at any moment your rights can be taken from you therefore you don't have

Andrew Wilsonrights they're not inherent meaning they don't exist absent the mind you and I can all we can all agree at the table we should all have free speech and then act as though we should and so we will

Andrew Wilsonsomebody no no rights no rights are okay so what about free will then is that not a right that God gave us that's not a right it's part of your ontology it's part of your being that you have free will you're created with this thing

Andrew Wilsonthat's different than saying that there's an arbitrary right which you have the right to own a gun or let's take the Second Amendment right um or not the Second Amendment the third amendment so the Second Amendment is a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of free state the right

Andrew Wilsonof the people to keep bar should not be infringed right bam Third Amendment we're talking about housing uh I believe that that is the government can't come in take over your house during wartime

Andrew Wilsonokay they're not allowed to do that um they can do that they have done that and there's not really [ __ ] anything you can do about it you rights can be suspended rights can be given rights can

Andrew Wilsonbe taken away because rights are only as good as the enforcement arm of who gives you the right the second you make the the Bold claim I have these rights and they're just mine because I was born

Millennial Milliewith them then you would have to show me where those rights exist absolutely then what gives you the right to be the man the head of the household enforcement oh okay so your rights to be the head of the household aren't aren't because of

Millennial MillieGod commanding it but because you have the physical Brute Force to ultimately subject a woman to because ultimately the the overarch in society is going to

Andrew Wilsoncome down to force I can say that there's an ontological order that I ought to be the head of the household absent Force that's great for an ought claim but the truth is the descriptor is

Andrew Wilsonthat I'm only ever going to have as much power inside the household or inside of anywhere as I can enforce and so are you and so are you and you and you and you

Kishaand everybody inforce or like force cuz like my father never in force and force are essentially the same Dynamic well I've never like my father's never forced me to do anything but I submit by my own

Kishafree will but I see the love of God in him and he has shown me an example in my everyday life that I can trust him as the leader of our house and so

Kishaabsolutely like women the first person that they learn to interact with like to love uh opposite sex obviously their father my father says you have to teach that daughter or your children you have to show them in your example that you

Andrew Wilsonhave to trust them and that they're worthy of that respect and that they're valuable to your life I guess I understand what you're saying but it misses the broader point which is that if people came into your house to do

Andrew Wilsonharm to you your father protects you from that right yeah of course of course he uses Force to do so right so all this relationship and everything you have and anything you think you have a right to with your father is really still going

Kishato boil down to what can and can't be enforced right now show in his actions that he is a man of God and he is strong and capable and he's going to protect me and provide for me and so I see in that

Andrew Wilsoneveryday action in my relationship with him that yes I can trust you as that Authority yeah but this misses the point though of enforcement that your rights your your actual rights what you

Andrew Wilsonconsider a right to be is really only going to come down to how much you can enforce or not enforce that right period that's why you have to guns enfor if you're showing great awesome that's an

Andrew Wilsonactually good argument from you yes that's why you need to have guns because that helps to equalize Force for rights but it really does always come down to force and there's no way to get around

Andrew Wilsonthat that is a descriptive truth of of of objective reality force is what determines right rights don't exist they're a construct of the Mind great we can agree on things and we can act as

Millennial Milliethough these things are true but they're not really true they're just products of the brain should men be trying should Christian men be trying to follow the ways of Jesus Christ and God I I got to

Brian Atlasmove on I got to move on we have does God use Force yes there it is okay oky doie these women never had their ideology and Gamora but he also gives us free will yeah I agree with that too

Brian Atlasthese women never had their ideologies thoroughly challenged before you were doing God's work Andrew also Gustavo like Yak cut G ask the panel what they think of mandatory con conscription for

Brian Atlasmen only we need to get through a bunch of chats guys so if you can uh allow us to get through the chats answer the questions but let's try to be brief I understand the biological argument

Reneehowever I wouldn't be mad if women had to get drafted too okay would you go no I would go to jail I would take the jail time I I I kind of fig but I'd do the

Andrew Wilsonsame if I was a man like okay conscript those [ __ ] just not me what do you think

Brian Atlasof let just into you're you're too you're out of the frame you're out of the frame go ahead I agree with her okay uh I I don't think women should be

Faithdrafted I mean I wouldn't want to be drafted so I'm gonna say no um I think it would be I think it would be a very bad idea if women uh were drafted just coming from um a a

Millennial Milliestandpoint of trying to protect your country I don't think women should be drafted at least at the bare minimum it if they were it should not be combat

Edenroles I don't want women to be conscripted I mean like I said earlier I don't really see the big problem with it I think that there are different roles

Brian Atlasthat would best fit okay we have David treak thank you man chair 1 2 3 4 five six Great Debaters I thought Andrew was related to Owen and Luke Wilson okay

Andrew Wilsonlove this debate British thing please appreciate the debate British thing please I'm a little confused you wanted the they have that uh don't they have like that Town Square where they go and they all yell at each other in the Town

Brian AtlasSquare I don't remember where that is typically like Christians debating Muslims yeah i' all right we have some super chats here uh just a reminder guys uh YouTube takes a brutal 30% cut of all

Brian Atlasof these so if you want more of your patronage to go towards whatever instead of to the woke pockets of Mega Corp YouTube consider doing it through streamlabs we also give pryo to streamlabs second girl in Black next to

Brian AtlasAndrew's based I like Andrew he tells the truth these women need to actually listen to the first girl is actually brainwashed holy shoot Blondie's a fake

Brian Atlasconservative as a former cop answers the gun is alarming ladies get a gun Jesus okay yeah she's been awesome all night all right thank you Hern we have Ben George why is it so hard for her to

Brian Atlasadmit racism against white people is a thing because our education system and media is systemically racist against white people and systemically sexist

Brian Atlastowards especially white men your quick response to that I'm white um do you well you're you're half right you're

Brian Atlashalf asian half white yes what are you Japanese Chinese Korean La Vietnamese I'm Chinese specifically from Hong Kong my mom she like gets mad if I say the other thing cuz she hates socialists

Reneewould you look at that um but anyways about this um would you look at that my I would say that a lot of people tend to think that the education system is biased and you

Reneeknow what if it is and that's why I believe the things I do then I guess it is but I personally have faith in Academia and wouldn't I be stupid if I didn't believe what I learned in school like no I mean

Aliciato your point I was a political science major I went through the whole system and I pretty much believe the exact opposite of everything I've ever learned because I continued my education I continued to read and I observed reality

Aliciaand I realized this doesn't make any sense starting with feminist ideology gender ideology especially when you start having kids you realize it's all [ __ ] I'll take that into consideration she's taking it into consideration as it stands still think

Andrew Wilsonthat you know think what what do you think I have faith in my education well yeah you probably spend a fortune on it no I have a scholarship but thank you oh do you thank you or do you spend a

Brian Atlasfortune on it that's do you want me to actually pull up my I'm just curious pull pull that [ __ ] out what's your is it a athletic scholarship uh no I'm not an athlete it's academic I'm kind of

Brian Atlasgetting softball vibes from no oh I was on track Ah that's offensive why is it why is that offensive softball is a is a a very respectable athletic thing in the sport

Reneedid the underhand pitch are you underhand or yeah it's an underhand pitch for sure it's two circles right yeah two circles that's me big softball have you ever done the third circle thing what the [ __ ] is that is that

Brian Atlaslegal I don't know probably not okay is this girl really so dumb she thinks some are incapable of prejudice discrimination or or antagonism by an individual Community or institution against a person or people on the basis

Reneeof their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group even a third grader knows I seated this there is an alternate version of racism and sexism but I agree that everyone can experience

Brian Atlasracism and sexism thank you FB for that we have Mr Travolta with the 100 British pounds pound sterling thank you yes you can be racist and sexist towards White

Brian Atlasblack or blue or pink people well hold on a second I don't know about those pink people okay not all countries have a history of historic black slavery and there's racism in those countries look

Brian Atlasat the definition of the word they have meaning that's what is lost on this

Brian Atlasgeneration is this I think this is directed towards you I don't know I mean like I said I was just two different definitions of the word racism Mr Travolta once again Brian you're taking a big poop why can't you come and sit

Brian Atlasdown and actually run your podcast it's disrespect respectful anyway I've noticed the white people are shut down because of their skin color BTW I'm not white so no bias feel like it's respectful he feel like he's putting his

Brian Atlasconfidence in me if he has to go you know that's well you know actually a lot of people you know say hey Brian you got a when Andrew's on you got to shut the [ __ ] up and let Andrew talk more so you

Brian Atlasknow I figured okay I'll get up and Meander around back there been a good braw and then harass Nick a little bit and you know all that stuff so okay we have not like not harass you know okay

Brian Atlasanyways never mind um ask half a oh wait sorry okay we don't read those sorry

Brian Atlasum uh actually [ __ ] it why not okay um sorry okay I'm doing you a solid here and this is Canadian too so that's like $1 um no offense Kisha qua sorry did I say

Kisharight well I'm American Indian so I'm Sovereign on both sides so shout out to the USC shout out um do you date Asian guys let's talk

Brian Atlasabout let's let's do dating for the rest of the show if we can guys let's try okay not my preference but my first boyfriend was half white half asian your first boyfriend but it's it's not your

Reneepreference to date Asian men like are you are you tracted to full Asian men this is so aggressive into the mic no I'm sorry maybe the right man but like I said not exactly my type what's what's

Brian Atlasoh we we'll go around the table on this everyone's type so are you a race Trader you to have been getting away with Mur are you a race

Reneelet's just say she's just like her mama so wait you're Hong Kong mom yeah is your is your dad American or British oh because of the colonization

Reneehe's American yeah but she definitely has like a an idolization of those both of the countries awward okay uh what so okay going around the table I guess what's everyone's type

Brian Atlasdo we should we keep it to race I feel like it'd be a little simpler Jesus Christ what am I doing you didn't even have to ask me the question I was ready to do do you prefer white

Brian Atlasguys um uh what do you have a racial for everyone at the table do you have a racial preference when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating my guys Latinos Renee you got this why is it why is it just me that's it's always starts over there okay you got this I believe

Brian Atlasin you you're doing great yeah I'd say I'd say probably white men but I've dated other races and I don't think that's a huge determining Factor why is

Reneeit not your preference for Asian men like why I'm always curious about that short they're short I said it earlier D1 babies and he didn't understand what I meant it's like when kids go to

Brian AtlasAthletics and they're like D1 D2 D3 like you want D1 babies how tall are you I'm 5'5 5'6 on a good day so I've got a decent preservation but you think the

Brian Atlasguy who wants D1 babies wants you rude yeah for my softball arm the third rooll okay uh so it's just

Reneea height thing what if he was a tall Asian guy though is that fine these are very these are so I'm just curious like I said it would depend on the person I'm not ruling any race out purely because

Brian Atlasof their race I know you're you're half right but I'm always I I don't get it like it seems like a lot of Asian ladies are opting not to date Asian men

Reneeit's called the Biba doobie like Theory you guys know that she's like this Asian pop singer and she has a white boyfriend it's like all Asian women have white boyfriends Good Times type of thing all

Brian Atlasright that's cool uh what about you any preference I don't have a racial preference preference no okay uh my preference is literally just like a man of God I don't care where

Rainacome from I've dated predominantly white men but I don't think I have a racial preference I've dated predominantly white men as well but no racial

Millennial Milliepreference um I like I probably have also dated um mostly white men as well um but I wouldn't rule out an Asian man if he was

Millennial Millielike really good-looking if I was single but wait maybe do we go back yeah do is this a call back here yeah I mean I it would have to be something wait earlier

Brian Atlasyou said tzing and in well Asian men are intelligent usually no but you said if you said if he was really good yes but you said if he was really good looking you said that earlier you said

Aliciathat um appearance was didn't matter that's why they're trying to okay so I get that no I get that anyways we won't Linger on that too long I don't have a racial preference I don't have a preference but I would like them to be

Brian Atlastaller than me mhm um you wait you're currently in a relationship right well yeah is he white guy Hispanic uh Latino Latino okay Andrew uh your preference

Brian Atlasracial preference in them according to the internet I have a black ex-wife so oh maybe no no preference I guess okay sweet all right we have veteran 6 as a veteran of multiple deployments we do not want to see you drafted not because

Brian Atlasthe panel couldn't handle support jobs but because its feminist would weaken the force sorry there are no pumpkin spice lattes or AC in war from veteran 6 hey thank you man appreciate it thank

Brian Atlasyou for the Super Chat no pumpkin spice lattes in war yep good times okay let's get some dating questions out of the way

Andrew Wilsonso actually what's that and and the fictitious black ex-wife has a warrant out for her AR rest I'm told too wow yeah okay this is like the Andrew Wilson lore yeah I'm doing it up I guess really

Brian Atlasquick let's pull up the YouTube the YouTube guys get us to 1 million subscribers can you pull up the other tab yeah where are we at okay that shit's not going to happen tonight rest in peace okay it's going to be it's

Brian Atlasgoing to probably happen tomorrow get over there Crucible do it it's going to happen it's probably going to happen tomorrow and then we'll we'll announce it on it's going to happen on Tuesday I don't think it's going to happen tonight

Brian Atlasbut okay it's fine it's fine all right so let me get into my pre-show notes there's a bunch I'm going to try to get through everything so there's a lot here guys so we let's try not to linger on

Brian Atlasanything for too long we have Alicia uh and try to be brief in your responses for everybody here as I'm going through all of your pre-show notes you said you've greatly shifted from being a stereotyp stereotypical liberal to more

Brian Atlasconservative you said you consider yourself a recovered feminist who is not traditional but fell into tradition uh back when you caught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy you

Brian Atlaswere arrested Nick that's the wrong split say it again arrested okay uh what for what

Aliciauh driving Under the Influence okay but uh and then the arresting officer gave then what happened so the arresting officer gave me his phone number and he

Aliciareleased me to the custody of my father and then he basically said to reach out to him so I did um and we ended up having coffee and he told me he wasn't

Aliciagoing to um show up to my hearing to help me out basically and so did it get dismissed it did that female privilege so I was going to

Brian Atlassay that was a dating top she's shocked genely she is shocked I am shocked now that this is a perfect example of female privilege I was going to say so I brought it up as a dating that sounds

Alicialike a date does sound like a date yeah it was oh was a date yeah that's why he said do you have any interesting stories and I really don't I have like 19 years of relationships so that was the only one that stood out but more so than it

Aliciabeing a story about an interesting date I actually thought it reflect Ed one men's benevolence because he was in a position where he greatly could have taken advantage of the situation and

Aliciareally kind of manipulated or pushed my boundaries in order to kind of you know put himself in a situation um well I'll do this that has to be unethical like

Brian Atlasagain totally it was totally unethical totally unethical super unethical wait so did you end up dating the guy or you just went out with him once no I just went out with him once one time one time did he show up for the hearing did no he didn't was there any

Aliciacarnal knowledge there was no carnal knowledge no carnal knowledge no D didn't like that's what I was saying blow your way out of dii other way I've

Andrew Wilsonhad a police officer P me I got my karma you got your karma I got another DUI no so isn't that like a strike against him is that like saying if he had given you

Aliciathe DUI earlier you may have not have gotten the DUI later no I mean I basically had 17 years of struggling with alcoholism so I went down a pretty

Aliciadark path and um took my now husband on that dark path um so yeah okay all done though it's it is all done how long have you been sober um well I got sober

Aliciacompletely when I was pregnant with my son so that was about three and a half years ago um and yeah well congrats on your uh sobriety congratulations uh you said hot

Brian Atlastake don't shoot the messenger here guys women have become the villain in our modern story that's what you said not me um so I just to take oh okay let me see

Aliciahow do I want to say this um I'm noticing it with one with how single women actually behave but I am also kind of disturbed by how I see women in a

Aliciaposition of like mother being a mother um this might be kind of a weird example but because of I'm a single or not a single mom sorry because I'm a

Aliciastay-at-home mom some of the content that gets uh directed toward me it's these like Trad wives so to speak but they're always really complaining about

Alicialike their life and oh the kids and then they position it like their husband have it so easy and it just really kind of bothers me because I'm like how could

Aliciayour life be hard if you're making content like I don't like you're sitting there with your camera positioning yourself like your life is so hard and I'm a stay-at-home mom I have two young

Aliciakids and not that it's not without difficulty but I think it's like such a privilege and an honor and I just noticed that women don't really lean into their Duty they kind of have become

Brian Atlasselfish and they don't really care about the overall good of society right now they care more about themselves okay all right uh you really quick going back to you said you were

Brian Atlascaught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy I mean I know you mentioned the alcohol was there was there anything else besides alcohol no that was pretty much it I mean I definitely itely dabbled

Aliciawith some like drug use but nothing hard mainly like weed um and you like also are you talking like hookup culture stuff no so I wasn't really involved in

Aliciahookup culture because I had like I said like 19 years of pretty serious uh relationships so it was mainly like the alcoholism um but what I would do in

Aliciaorder to feed that alcoholism I started working at bars which is a pretty toxic environment to be in especially in a relationship and I didn't really listen

Aliciato my now husband at the time who was expressing concerns um I and that's why I said for me I would that would be a

Aliciared flag if a man had a did you hide the super I think you I'll catch it yeah can you catch it um sorry go ahead I was just saying that's why for me it would be a red flag

Aliciaif a guy was leaning into his vice because I've seen what it can do um and I never I feel a ton of Shame and regret for

Aliciaputting my husband through that um and so that's where I uh Mr no drinks at all what's that no drinks at all like period or no so like for instance on Easter uh

Aliciasomeone brought a bottle of champagne and I had like a cup of it but it doesn't it used to be like I wouldn't be able to stop nor would I want to you

Brian Atlasdrank you drank it to drank the Sahara dry basically basically Mr Travolta so thank you man uh Devil's Advocate was the DUI story an example of white privilege female privilege or neither of

Aliciathose uh female privilege for sure and also like I said men's benevolence I think cops and I had a pretty bad opinion of cops kind of again based on

Alicialike my education and whatnot um but I felt like in hindsight that was a really good example of I mean he didn't do an ethical thing but he definitely could have taken it much further and really pushed me to be like you know being

Aliciatrying to be like well if you do this then I could not stay or then I'll abstain from attending your hearing but he really was actually pretty nice what was at the AA when you got the DUI they

Aliciasent you to AA I mean they send you to these classes um but I didn't really buy into I was basically doing everything I could to um keep up with my alcoholism

Brian Atlaswait somebody can somebody stop shaking the table somebody's like leg is vibrating it's okay it's okay uh let's see you said that you're a fan of the bow you're of so I'm not necessarily a

Aliciafan of it but I do watch your podcast um I used to W or listen to L line and so when I stumbled on your podcast it was reminiscent of that and so I was listening to it as I was cooking and I just thought it was funny and I thought

Aliciait was really funny how some of the women reacted and so when my husband got home and he took off his boots and whatnot I hit him with a bow and his reaction was pretty priceless oh yeah I mean I'm not going to go into it

Aliciacompletely but I probably could have got like anything I wanted that day it was good was he did he say did he say anything I mean his face said a lot and then like I said I'm not going to go you

Aliciaguys had a little carnal knowledge no we have two kids so it it have to be like later on oh I'm just saying like impressed he was very he was a he was a fan of the bow was it your first time ever doing a bow yeah I would never

Brian Atlasagain I'm a recovered feminist I never would have bowed to a man look at this see people I should we show them B girl in a woman in a girl girlfriend um

Brian AtlasI need a bow she asked to Bow boom look at that [ __ ] bow now watch the rest of no you can okay we'll see the yeah Nick we'll watch it again okay boom did you see the bow huge now watch right

Brian Atlaslook at the attentiveness okay boom just you know doing folding the shirt it's very nice she's running to the kitchen

Brian Atlasin our million our $10,000 month Penthouse apartment getting the beer here look at very attentive the dinner's ready she stirs the noodles I don't need that you don't have to stir the noodles the thought is stir the you have to stir

Brian Atlasthe noodles she has to stir the noodles to S the noodles very attentive one more time with the bow let's see the bow I'll I'll settle for the bow boom hu huge okay uh so you hit the was it a bow like

Aliciathat um I mean it was my first bow I can't your first bow it might Havey if she doesn't stir the noodles

Brian AtlasBrian oh uh MADD can you can you somebody fix that go fix that uh well what uh you know look I me personally you can't give the sign of respect and

Brian Atlasthen not stir the noodles bro I guess you're right I've rethought my position she has to stir the got stir the noodles too uh question going around the panel really quick on the bow thing

Brian Atlasuh would you your boyfriend wants you to Bow would you would you bow yeah yeah okay sure sure that's not very enthusiastic but because I told him they can get whatever they want from it I

Brian Atlasmean yeah yeah you shouldn't have done that way to enable them um yes when I love a man I will do anything for them well what if you you don't love him yet no like it's the second date third date um he's like

Brian Atlaslet's see the B oh hell no hell no hell no what if he was like well I'm only going to pay for first dates until I'm in love with you [Music] um I don't even know if you want men to

Millennial Milliepay for the first dat but yeah I mean I I like it but okay yes you'd bow would you would you bow I would I would bow I just think that my

Millennial Milliehusband's response would be very a very unusual I think he would probably I think he would probably look at me like what is she doing and then he would probably be like so anyway do you want

Millennial Millieto let he wanted to talk to me about his new math formula he de like I don't think he would he'd be like what kind of crazy [ __ ] are they teaching you on the whatever podcast I I think I honestly think he would be like is your back okay

Millennial Millielike what are you doing like I don't think he would wouldn't believe it no no I don't think he would understand why and what that what have it even meant you know what I mean know you you do the bow

Brian Atlaswould you bow 100% 100% love woring my wow this is I feel like you because you told us the story now they're they're more inclined to Bow maybe I should have asked beforehand if they would do a bow um how about would you make your man a

Brian Atlassandwich I think he would be restive of that sandwich You' be like oh all right you do sandwich look at this anti feminist this anti my story in the beginning okay

Millennial Millieclearly when it comes to relationships there's not the same amount of feminism there when it comes my relief system yeah and I make him I make my husband sandwiches all the time I'm just getting it like he he he notices when I do

Brian Atlasthings like that for him I don't think he would pick up on bowing yeah on the bow thing though uh you said bowing to a man yields amazing results uh you were watching one of my episodes uh while you're cooking him

Brian Atlasdinner you told us this came in you hit him with a bow his reaction was priceless um and you thought to yourself Brian might be on to something yep

Brian Atlaslisten I will only use it for good but all the ladies out there all the women out there try a [ __ ] bow just saying do do a little bow actually any girls here

Brian Atlaswant to demonstrate a bow anybody that's reserved for my husband you don't have to bow you know good idea to me you can just bow to the camera I guess anybody want to Bow Renee I think we need to see

Brian Atlasa bow from you whoa is that racially charged yes just kidding no oh she's going to do it the patriarchy wins again okay I need all donation okay wait don't

TTS/Background Voicedon't Millennial Milly don't do it they're trying to see down your shirt oh my bro so true what what I knew that what I could totally I could totally see do it in a way where you don't bend over and show the give her a [ __ ] jacket

Millennial Milliethen godamn I actually object toally was mad cuz I blocked that I'm sorry I'm not sorry to you I think it's right no's trying to look down her shirt it's not

Brian Atlasfeminist it's calling it's called being respectful I'm not trying bro the my God you saw her shirt it was like we were about to see her UHA Kaa who's wearing a [ __ ] t-shirt also it has nothing to

Brian Atlasdo with trying to see some titties okay I want to see the bow I don't like I really don't like that characterization there I think it's it's a straw man I think he straw Manning a little bit of a straw man

KishaMillennial Milly I want an apology it was like I totally on the screen was you know just I agree with what faith said I think the bow should be reserved to your man if you're going to bro she was about to do it you guys

Reneeunbel it's true I'm going say this is for my ex if he's watching no yeah do that well do it if you want but just know that we can totally see down your CH no it's okay I'm good sorry guys we're about to what I tell you about

Millennial MillieLibertarians Brian what I I'm not a Libertarian I'm a conservative thank you very much I'm a Christian conservative can we see the bow that you you gave to your husband can we seean it might be

Brian Atlassubar but okay we'll see let's see th so ladies this is a tutorial that she did about to her husband it worked great why don't you just show us uh I don't know wait did you do your hands together I I don't think I did no you don't you don't

Brian Atlasdo the hands together your hands are like down here and they kind of timid it has to be a timid hand I mean I don't know it was a bow no it still a bow but I don't like the I don't like the this I don't

Brian Atlaslike I don't like the that to Buddhist yeah I I don't like know all right Catholic we almost made progress on Renee here we almost progress and then

Brian Atlasjust you know I'm disappointed okay don't you uh could totally have taken the I know we could have taken the W unfortunately the feminist had to come in and C here my question well I'm not a

Brian Atlasfeminist in feminism no in her case here she's a married listen pretty feminist of you oh no that pretty feminist of you no it's

Daliahjust I'm wise to prevent the I'm wise to the tricks of men that want to just even if it wasn't YouTube the the whole internet is watching and you don't

Millennial Millieknow the intentions of the men watching this podcast you said the internet is forever with only fans so you're wanting her to show down am I getting for trying to get her to you're not being me you're not being and maybe you didn't pick up

Millennial Millieon the subtly I just had the I had the don't do it because you're trying to look down your shirt so why are you dogging me for letting her know I can see down her shirt she's yeah but you implied that that was our intention no what evidence do you have I don't know

Reneeif that's your intention but it wasn't it wasn't it's my fault for wearing the shirt yeah how dare you free the nipple a true Bower would have been way more um conservative I'm saying conservative men wouldn't want to free the nipple oh [ __ ]

Brian Atlasm get her the Japanese school girl outfit that'll cover wait it's upstairs go for it wait Nick do you know where it is Maddie do you know where it

Brian Atlasis it's upstairs I'll yeah Nick it's up I think it's wait is it upstairs Jesus now this might

Brian Atlasbe I don't know if just see if it's uh it's like there's a blue one and a white one I think it's good time for me to go have a cigarette while do this Japanese school girl

Brian Atlasthing you know there's there's a there's a concern over the tire that Renee is wearing you know it's uh oh wow God that's a Sailor Moon oh my

KishaGod it's literally a school girl the Sailor Moon school girl outfit I can't believe you have those on hand shirt open to like a child uniform on I think we do the I just thought we were over

Brian Atlasthe B did we do the Sailor Moon one yeah why are we I guess we are we doing the Sailor Moon one all over is this kind of cringe at this point you should put on the Sailor Moon yeah I'm too fat I'm too fat right now

Brian Atlaswait Nick what are you doing where are you going Nick are you coming back just bring down all three they're should be three just bring up down all three she can you she can pick she does if she wants if anyone else wants to wear one

Brian Atlasno uh okay let's see I'm an adult I don't want toe you disagree wholeheartedly that women ought to be subject to military conscription while we talks about that

Brian Atlasum uh I think women should be drafted to be honest I'm the biggest feminist here the reason I I think we should conscript women in fact we shouldn't conscript men

Brian Atlasat all it's kind of like a you know you know you know for all the years that men were conscripted I think you know and here's what we do we conscript women we soften up the enemy you know and then we

Aliciasend the men in to finish it off I think that's the best sounds a little gay so we're hey please don't be mean to those people all the women are dying first and then just y I'm not opposed to like

Aliciahelping my country cuz if there was some sort of like issue here in the states I would 100% like you know I have guns I would help but I kind of disagree with

Aliciathe idea of taking women when I already feel like children are being targeted to become like um property of the state through the school system and through other like means and so I would just

Aliciathink that mothers would be needed in order to maintain um you know protection but I would also I don't NE I don't want men to be conscripted either well I mean

Brian Atlasconscription typically isn't you know I don't know the exact percentages for like World War I World War II Vietnam I believe the United States just off the

Brian Atlastop of my head for example for Vietnam I think the US casualties in Vietnam was 70 or 80,000 let me just check that out

Brian Atlasuh really quick VI Vietnam USA casualties I think it was 70 80,000 I could be hold on godd damn show me the oh my God this wait when you said

Kishathat the women would soften the enemy soften them in what way not by [ __ ] I was about to say was uh soften them how because they would just completely

Brian Atlasobliterate them and just how many how many casualties for us I can't [ __ ] I don't know why I can't find him yeah there's no softening

Brian Atlasanything okay I was a bit off but um I don't think if we lost for example like 70,000 women Jesus Christ uh that's going to get eclip if we like lost 70,000 women instead of men in the

Brian AtlasVietnam War I don't think demographically that would have had a massive impact in the US for example I mean like so your argument of well we need women to repopulate in some like

Brian Atlascatastrophic no but that your your argument about well women need to birth the future children and soldiers that argument really only applies where there's like just catastrophic well that's what happened in World War II

Millennial Milliewell that was there was catastrophic lives loss I mean we're talking about hundreds of millions of lives were lost in World War II so if and that's really sad that's really sad that so many young

Millennial Milliemen lost their they're literally just being thrown into just instant death in these trenches so yeah I think that if you had those numbers of women being lost you absolutely would probably be

Kishaaffecting the population why would a man be willing to sacrifice women in society like the vulnerable sector of society as men why would why would that even be a thought let's sacrifice the women and

Millennial Milliethe children subsequently actually if the men's role in job is supposed to be to protect and be protectors why would they want the women to do it for them yeah how would you sleep at night I

Kishasacrificed 80,000 women so that men can stay in the country and not even defend the country properly might I add like it would suck the Titanic was sinking and and and

Millennial Milliethe men today are like move over ladies who were going on the boat right Women and Children First yeah that's how it should I think I don't believe in Women and Children First okay well then that

Brian Atlasis not a conservative belief set so you're not that that doesn't align with a conservative belief set no no you hav't why why not though I I above above

Brian Atlaslike traditional conservative beliefs I actually put forward uh men's rights advocacy positions over any conservative or traditional positions so but you said but you guys are talking about men being

Brian Atlaslike leaders for example I'll give you an example that's going toer that's going to trigger you I'll give you an example that's going to trigger you guys so I believe in any state where abortion is legal I think men should have a

Brian Atlascorresponding right to Legal paternal surrender whereby if in any state a woman has the ability to murder their child men should have a corresponding

Kisharight to relinquish any Financial or parental responsibility so you think that men should base their integrity and their actions on the reaction the emotional reactions of women well the the and not their own Integrity as a man

Kishafrom their own principles ideologies values and God well that's a different conversation the reality is conversation you're saying that as a man you want to react to women as opposed to standing your ground as a man and doing what you think is necessary as a man why why are

Andrew Wilsonyou reacting why wouldn't a man step up and say I will take care of my child responsib child it occurs well I'm not really inclined right at this moment this is making an implication of choice

Andrew WilsonBri L they should have the right to choose right Brian's yes but that's Brian's Point Brian's point is if you're in a state where you have no choice she has the choice why are you having sex

Andrew Wilsonwith a woman who agrees with abortion that's your fault well what if you have sex with a woman who didn't agree with an abortion you didn't take account of responsib and you put her in a position let's assume for a second you're married

Millennial Millieto her AB would you ever would you ever consider a woman that wants that believes in abortion for marriage well they're talking about would you both of you who agree

Brian Atlasbut let us assume for a second you married a woman okay so what about you like the exception I'm not interested in actually like having another abortion conversation I'm just

Kishasaying that's a position the rule is right now now that women can terminate the pregnancy and men can't do anything that I why are you having sex with women and impregnating women who agree with abortion if you if you're sleeping with

Kishawomen who don't agree with abortion you wouldn't even come up with this situation because that is the exception the man in this scenario the woman aborted it there's no woman that's like I want to have a family with you you get pregnant she's like oh I'm going

Kishato AB wants to there are women who can do that and do that he wants to abort it in this situation there are women who do that that's not even what I said why would a man want to kill his own

Kishachild because of the right or no no what he's saying is he wants to abandon his child which is calculating its destruction and that's not even what I said you said they should their right to but why would a man even want the right to abandon their own child that is

Kishaliterally calculating its destruction not hear the first part of that you said If a woman can abort her kid you should also be able to destroy your child by proxy that doesn't make sense you should

Kishabe ative it's about Tak accountability as an individual as an individual because a woman decides not to that doesn't make

Kishasense yeah no it absolutely makes sense reactionary man in okay what is wrong with reactionary because men don't react to women what they shouldn't they you

Andrew Wilsoncannot be a leader and react women for ises no but that's what it should be I know it's an a claim but it's not Ana do that if you say should it's a no because my father does not do that and I've

Andrew Wilsonwitnessed in my life I get that your father doesn't do that but your father also would have no choice you want to mention your father one more time what's your problem I don't know it just seems like oh because I have a good

Brian Atlasfather is that a problem no okay I didn't say that but you seem to very much you frequently bring it up which I don't really because she's using that as the example and that's good you're using it

Kishaas the example so you want women to submit to men but when I bring up my father in submission deferring to the knowledge that he gave to me it's a problem you can't pick you can't we're having a meta conversation I can address

Kishathe actual original thing not the fact is that if you're submitting woman any situation that defers to a man is then we'll argue with the third party position you're arguing on your father's behalf let not you're arguing based on

Kishathe the knowledge that you have acquired from your father from the headship in your home it would be the same if you had a husband you have as a woman so you can't tell me that oh as a woman you shouldn't be able to defer to the knowledge of the

Kishaman that remove yourself from the protection of the father or the man that you have in your life that doesn't make any sense so you're arguing your knowledge right now not your father's knowledge knowledge ideolog that he raised me with

Andrew Wilsonbased on the Bible but it is your knowledge he gave it to me yes great so he is arguing with your knowledge so anyway back to this all he's doing is pointing out a standard he's saying that

Andrew Wilsonthere's a double standard where if the standard is going to be that women have the right to do this thing then there should be an alternative standard where fine if

Andrew Wilsonthat's the case that they can do this why couldn't men then be able to relish we don't agree with abortion and we don't agree with men abandoning their

Millennial Milliekids if I could just interject here so the women who would abort your child would abort it right and you wouldn't have to financially pay for that child so what you're actually saying is the

Millennial Milliewoman that wouldn't abort your child should be abandon financially and the child should have no father in its life no that's not the argument that is the argument you're saying okay do the math then okay so

Andrew Wilsonlet's do the math do the ma so here's the argument the argument is actually if a woman has a right to terminate the pregnancy against the will of a man you and I agree that this is incorrect right

Andrew Wilsoncorrect so he's saying that if that is the standard then he would argue if so that we don't have a double standard that then men should be able to terminate their rights to the child if they so choose to do so so there's no

Kishadouble standard so a man's actions is dictated on the sins and the foolishness of women again I can get away with doing stupidity because are position I'm just explaining the position yes I understand

Kishayou're explaining it but I'm saying that it is absolutely nonsense because why as a man are you dictating your morals your integrity your values and principles on the stupidity of women who you say by

Kishathe way who men constantly say that women are not meant to they well it's it's it's been brought up here okay so the fact is why and women

Kishaare more emotional why are you dictating your logic on the emotions and the foolishness of women when they decide to kill their children okay well a woman kills her kids so now men can abandon their children and equally cause

Andrew Wilsondestruction got it so let's let us let us assume for a moment that's not even Christian either that you live inside of a society where um you can't get

Brian Atlasabortion banned let's just say it couldn't get banned you couldn't ban it this area you couldn't get enough votes pry sure abortion rights in Canada are are fairly robust as compared to the

Andrew WilsonUnited States yeah I mean I don't abort children so I the state oh my God but but assuming for a second in the you could not get the elector you could not get the electorate to vote to terminate

Andrew Wilsona or to stop women from being able to terminate their pregnancy you couldn't get enough people to do that don't sleep with women finish the question oh my God but you could sway the literally

Andrew Wilsondon't sleep with women who agree with that ideology and you won't deal with the problem to begin with okay so anyway you're not engaging with the no it is not and I'll give you the counterargument but you have to stop

Andrew Wilsontalking fair I'm sorry so here's the counterargument to this if you were able to sway the electorate though in that position to allow for men to terminate their rights so that the women

Andrew Wilsonthemselves then had to deal with the responsibility of it you'd likely see abortion drop the [ __ ] off that's the point okay now what if you de dealt with it legislatively nothing to do with what

KishaI it does have something to do with it because you're talking about a grander 3D every single no if every single and you're right you're playing chess so at the end of the day none of us are winning this argument but at the what

KishaI'm saying is at the end of the day if all the men in society decided we're going to stop dating feminist women and they were left to their own devices they would stop the mentality cuz there would be no market for them there' be no one

Andrew Wilsonfor them to sleep with stand app the opp direction if all women began to gate keep sex again just like they did in the 30s and 40s when they embraced Christian when they embraced Christian values in the 30s and 40s they Embrace Christian

Kishavalues they did not open the legs up for every man who was around I'm not buying the argument that women are not responsible for who they sleep with only men I never said that of your argument no I said traditional dating you would go to the father and there would no be

Kishathere would not be sex before marriage because what are you going to say to the father like oh I'm going to date your daughter and I have good intentions but she has to sleep with me you can't convince any father of that I'm sorry you can't so if you go back

Kishato traditional dating cuz if you go back to traditional dating it would solve a lot of these problems the ab the pregnany before marriage and everything no if you actually really wanted to solve the problem you actually have to

Brian Atlasgo to the root of the problem the root of the problem is premarital sex that's the root of the problem Oh wait actually you did want to talk about so okay we'll talk about that really quick we'll move on from the previous convers moving over to the patriarchal

Brian Atlasstructure that you're talking about here you uh Millie you are my understanding you are against uh premarital sex is that correct yeah uh actually let me open this up to the panel really quick

Brian Atlasuh for or against premarital sex going around the table go for it I'm not against it uh everyone has free will but as a

RainaChristian it's a no I wouldn't teach it to my daughter but I don't not going to tell other people how to live their lives well what about for your own life currently um well honestly is there

Rainacarnal knowledge what do you mean sorry carnal knowledge fornication like I'm sexual intercourse like me right now are you celibate or um you know I was kind

Rainaof planning on a celibacy you should you were planning on celibacy well I slept with one person after I broke up with my ex recently but

Brian Atlaswait so hold on so 3 months ago you broke up with your ex and you've had sex with an subsequent person within the past three months so like last week about a month two months ago month

Brian Atlasand a half well the whole planning for Cy thing didn't really work out but you tried your best okay no no um premal X

Faithfor against for my I I advise it for everyone granted we we do have free will but I'm very against it and actually so my husband and I when we were dating we

Faithweren't abiding by that and we both came to the conclusion of like okay cuz we were we were still like early on in our Christianity early enough to where we weren't getting convicted as hard about it um but then we started to you know

Faithface a lot of conviction about it especially me and um it's literally the best thing that you'll do especially because if you're not sure where what your partner's intentions are that is

Unknown/Backgroundthe quickest way to sort through people so advise it uh you're against what about you you're wait you're against it I'm against premarital she against premarital I about everybody's Choice

Brian Atlaseverybody has a right to have a choice it's all about Choice your answer your answer I mean I'm definitely going to try to sorry I'm not laughing at you so

Aliciaridiculous go ahead go ahead go ahead um for my children or for my daughter I would definitely want to push for that and try to deal that with her because I

Aliciagrew up in like the 9s and I noticed how much sexualization went on and so I definitely want to push that for for or

Brian Atlasagainst um do what you want do what you want word okay um and bringing it back to you Millie not only are you against it

Brian Atlasfor religious or moral or ethical reasons uh you also want to uh criminalize it is that correct I'm I'm

Millennial Milliebut the choice sa do without the woman Choice listen I'm exploring the idea of if they were to criminalize premarital

Millennial Milliesex what what the pros and the cons would be sorry what the pros and the cons would be to society okay because here's here's my um argument here from

Millennial Milliewhat I understand um essentially when when a man is I guess you could say when a man is going out in um having sex with a woman

Millennial Millieright let's say he takes a woman's a woman's virginity right um in a way when he's taking her virginity is he essentially devaluing her is he injuring

Brian Atlasher causing damage to her so not only are you saying like criminal but also there should be civil I'm not saying sexual cell I'm not saying no no no but you're saying no no no like criminalize the the act of it for both parties perhaps there's also are you saying

Millennial Milliethere should be like a civil tort is a woman who bring aw here's my question to bring a say you have two women who are look like identical twins both beautiful tens gorgeous right you're understanding

Millennial Millieof a tent right my understanding of T there's no yeah it doesn't ex um if one of them was a virgin yeah and one of them had been with multiple partners she

Millennial Milliewas a strumpet who who who would be perceived sorry who would be perceived as more valuable and who would be perceived as damaged the Virgin would be considered more valuable yes

Millennial Millieokay so when a man has sex with a woman he devalues her then then she's having sex with him okay okay but hear me out here she's devaluing herself sure okay

Millennial Millieso so hear me out so um I'm listening when a man is having sex with that woman right yeah it's this is the analogy I would give it to imagine there's a

Millennial Milliebakery okay and in this Bakery there's a case full of these pristine be beautiful gorgeous cakes each unique in their own

Millennial Millieway can can be a pastry shop no it's not it's no it's a cake bakery and so like a French bakery can it be a French bakery

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