Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Scumbag Doctor GHOSTS Her After Taking Her V-CARD?! | Dating Talk #152

Date: 2024-04-15

Duration: 8h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMillennial Millie >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson (alt segment)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Raina(guest)

SPEAKER_03Faith(guest)

SPEAKER_04Daliah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Alicia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kisha(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Millennial Millie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Renee(guest)

SPEAKER_14Eden(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian asks guests to introduce themselves; reveals notable panel: 21yo married Faith, former OnlyFans creator Raina, 27yo Kisha with trafficked sister.

“"please tell us your name age location and occupation"”

OtherRaina introduces herself as a 21yo who has had OnlyFans for 2 years and is looking for a new job after quitting.

“"my name is Raina and I'm 21 and um my occupation I've had only fans for the past two years"”

OtherKisha reveals she was briefly married; husband put her in hospital; her sister was trafficked and she has not seen her in 4 years.

“"he had put me in the hospital... my sister was trafficked... I haven't seen her for four years"”

OtherRenee says "I wish I was aborted" as a hypothetical argument for abortion rights; panel takes it seriously and checks on her wellbeing; she clarifies it was rhetorical.

“"I wish my mom had aborted me... I wasn't alive today because my childhood was rough"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women should not have the right to vote; argues rights are social constructs enforced only by men. Brian quickly disavows the position on camera.

“"men are the enforcers of Rights... only men should be able to have the stake and the claim to vote"”

QuoteBrian publicly disavows Andrew's women-shouldn't-vote position to protect channel from cancellation.

“"women should vote I'm I'm fine with it not trying to get cancelled"”

QuoteDaliah rates herself a solid 8 in looks.

“"do a solid eight solid eight"”

OtherRaina recounts visiting LA for modeling; her agent had no real license; she received death threats at the model house on her first trip to LA.

“"apparently my agent didn't even have a real license... when I got to the model house I was getting death threats"”

OtherFaith recounts waking up with unexplained dark bruises after sleeping with an atheist coworker she describes as possibly an "Antichrist" type; never saw him again; experience drove her to celibacy and Christianity.

“"I woke up with um like things bruis like bruises and what the [bleep]... really really dark bruises and I don't know how they got there"”

OtherEden recounts being a 19yo virgin who dated a 40yo podiatrist from San Francisco for 3 months; he took her virginity then immediately blocked her on all platforms. He kept a digital Kindle scrapbook of every woman with photos and written reviews.

“"after after we had sex though I I got home and I was blocked... there was chapters"”

QuoteBrian's shocked reaction to Eden's doctor ghosting story.

“"holy F*** bro this is... he had the big book of virgins"”

QuoteRaina discloses her body count as 21; notes she knows a civilian man with 23 so she is "doing better than most."

“"uh like 21... I know a guy with 23 and he wasn't even a sex worker"”

OtherBrian announces this was the longest stream ever, breaking the 8-hour mark, then raids WowGrandma78 (82yo World of Warcraft streamer) on Twitch.

“"this is our longest show ever we broke the f*** eight hour stream mark... we are going to raid... WowGrandma78 she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. Notable: Kisha reveals briefly married (husband involved in trafficking, put her in hospital); Raina reveals 2-year OnlyFans career; Faith reveals she is 21 and married.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around the table asking about current relationship status, longest relationship, how it ended, and recent dating activity. Renee: on-again-off-again (ex texted her that day). Raina: recently single after 2-year relationship with ~40yo adult film performer. Faith: met husband at club in Berkeley. Kisha: was briefly married, husband became adversarial. Millie: common-law married 12 years, two kids. Eden: 1.5-year age-gap relationship with 32yo.

Men play chess, women play checkers

Kisha presents her father's philosophy that men and women think differently: men play chess (long-term strategy, compartmentalization), women play checkers. Discussion of whether feminists in power are being manipulated by men behind the scenes. Panel debates and partially agrees.

Deal breakers round

Brian asks each guest for their deal breakers in a partner. Renee: no passion in life, no style. Daliah: disrespect, disloyalty. Kisha: man who does not put God first; unequally yoked. Raina: mama's boy, porn-watching, feminine men. Faith: passive/feminine men. Millie: not loyal, no God relationship. Alicia: addiction (vice as mistress). Eden: no goals/career ambition, too much partying. Andrew: cruelty to children and elderly.

Porn, OnlyFans, and body count

Discussion of whether prior adult content work is a deal breaker. Raina (former OF creator) says it depends on context; deal breaker is active habit. Panel analyzes psychology: ex watching porn -> Raina started OF. Brian's position: sex work history is 100% deal breaker for long-term relationship.

Abortion debate

Extended debate triggered by hypothetical: Renee says if she got pregnant tomorrow she would consider abortion because she wants to go to law school. Andrew Wilson argues from pro-life position. Debate covers: when life begins (24-week viability vs conception), Scott Peterson double-homicide analogy, financial readiness argument, adoption and foster care. Renee mentions she sometimes does not want to live; panel addresses this carefully.

Who is a feminist (panel round)

Brian asks each guest if they consider themselves a feminist. Renee: identifies as black feminist (intersectional). Andrew: not a feminist; argues Millie IS a feminist by egalitarian definition. Millie: not a feminist; reformed feminist; believes in traditional gender roles. Faith: not a feminist. Alicia: not a feminist. Eden: qualified yes (equality + traditional roles). Kisha: not a feminist; Christian. Daliah: not political.

Women's voting and Christianity — patriarchy debate

Andrew Wilson argues Christian ethics require patriarchy; female pastors are "fake Christians." Millie partially agrees on traditional roles but rejects women-shouldn't-vote. Panel debates whether submission in marriage means husband has absolute financial authority. Millie says husband manages joint account; she trusts his judgment.

Women's suffrage debate

Andrew Wilson argues women should not have the vote; bases argument on: (1) rights are social constructs enforced by men, (2) only enforcers of rights deserve voting stakes. Millie and Renee argue from constitutional/god-given rights framework. Extended debate on whether rights are real vs social constructs. Brian disavows Andrew's position on-air ("women should vote, I'm fine with it").

Military conscription and women

Panel debates whether gender equality requires women to be subject to military draft. Eden says she would be "not opposed to it." Millie argues women should not be drafted due to reproductive role and physical differences. Andrew runs population/polygamy argument. Brian notes he personally does not support female conscription.

AR-15 in bedroom — gun ownership as red flag?

Chat scenario: perfect man in every way but has a loaded AR-15 next to bed. Renee: would ask why; would want it secured away from future kids. Kisha and others: not a deal breaker if he follows gun laws. Faith: depends on context — goofy college kid vs. grown man. Andrew/Brian: self-defense discussion; AR-15 fires small 5.56 bullets.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Brian has Stiffler (chat) ask each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Daliah: 8. Raina: 8.5. Background voice: 6. Millie declines to rate but chat can rate her. Kisha: 4. Andrew rates his wife at 6. Debate over whether self-rating is meaningful or gendered.

Physical attractiveness: male vs female standards

Extended debate on whether women can objectively rate their own attractiveness. Andrew argues women deflect the question by adding non-physical qualities. Kisha argues women gauge attractiveness through internalized male gaze. Discussion of fertility as basis for male attraction to women. Andrew rates his wife at 6 physically.

Hoe to housewife: can promiscuous women reform?

Panel debates whether women with promiscuous or sex-work backgrounds can make good long-term partners. Kisha (Christian): references Rahab from Bible; reformed individuals deserve family. Brian: women can change but men are not obligated to marry them after. Alicia: shares personal redemption arc around alcoholism. Andrew: hypothetical about son wanting to marry 250-scene OF performer.

Raina's adult industry story

Raina elaborates: started OnlyFans at ~19 living on her own; recruited by message. No family financial support. Ex-boyfriend was ~40yo adult film performer; narcissistic/abusive. He cheated; she found him searching for new girls on YouTube. Also recounts: modeling agency in LA; agent had no real license; received death threats at model house on first visit to LA.

Faith's personal story: party phase, Antichrist encounter, marriage

Faith describes freshman year at ASU: feminist/astrology phase, party culture, depression. Describes relationship with atheist coworker she slept with 3 times after 4-month slow-burn; woke up with unexplained dark bruises; never saw him again; describes this as encounter with "Antichrist-type." Became born-again Christian; met husband at club; married at 21.

Eden's doctor ghosting story

Eden (21yo) recounts: at age 19, met 40yo podiatrist from San Francisco on Tinder. 3-month courtship; daily calls; 5 in-person dates; he promised love and future. He took her virginity; as soon as she got home, he had blocked her on everything. He had a digital Kindle scrapbook with chapters on each woman he'd slept with (reviews, photos, profile pics). Brian/panel: he was a serial virginity-collector. Panel reacts with shock; Eden says she dodged a bullet.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Renee: declines initially; confirms less than 10. Raina: 21. Millie: single digits (between her and future husband; been with current partner since age 20). Daliah: declines. Andrew: declines; teased to multiply whatever he says by 3. Panel agrees men have the right to care about body count.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasconsent St scenario that the man is asleep and the woman hops on the man said the night before he wanted to conserve his seed she keeps going despite his ass to stop is that essay

Kishayeah quick answer on this yes yes oh oh for the whole table I guess yeah okay we'll go around the

Kishatable I mean if if he if she if he said to stop like she should stop but I mean I don't know if you said stop she should

TTS/Donation Voicestop um yeah yes um living on this core donated $200 Andrew explain why you believe tone

TTS/Donation Voiceand delivery are important in debate I understand it doesn't change the logic of your argument but acting as toe it doesn't matter is literally [ __ ] the only reason that you think

Andrew Wilsonthat is because it's women being made uncomfortable if this was the tone with men which it take all the time you'd be in the audience [ __ ] cheering me like you probably already have it's only because it's women being made

Kishauncomfortable and that makes you a simper no he just understands that women don't understand things a certain tone like it sounds like you understand it fine well no that a lot of women though

KishaI I was raised by a single father so you're capable of rationality just most I still don't understand a lot of times if you approach a woman emotionally or in a tone that sound arents aren't for you it's for the

Kishathousands of people watching I don't care if I change your mind or not no but the fact is if you approach a conversation with a certain tone that is offensive to women most of their brains turn off it's good but they're the ones

Andrew Wilsonthat to learn it's because they're not going to listen do you think do you think that there's anything that I can say to a woman who's a Libertarian feminist to explain to her that she's

Andrew Wilsonactually a Libertarian feminist and not a right-wing conservative regardless of my [ __ ] tone no there's nothing nothing I could say well well here's the thing there's something I can say to a condens setting [ __ ] you to tell him

KishaI'm not a feminist and he'll believe say it all you want but I mean Jesus did it I mean he Jesus show love to people and with his words yeah he called him pit of vipers and he called him Pharisees and he ran him out of Temple after he

Andrew Wilsonfashioned women like that how do you know what he talked to women like you mean when he told a woman to list listen I don't see how I don't see how you're convinced he didn't Jesus didn't talk to women in a mean way I

Andrew Wilsondon't care if I convince you it's not for you my arguments aren't to convince you they're to refute your I like the way that he speaks I feel like it gives me more leeway to be meaner back when it comes to AR

Reneethat's why it is a problem though because I understand that I a very masculine woman because of you know no dad so I am very comfortable with acting that way however lots of other women like she has just said are scared of

Reneeretaliation from men and are scared of talking to men in a similar tone if that tone is Tak it's not said has nothing to do with feelings you think they think I'm going to go beat them up what are

Reneeyou talking about no no no no no but over time that's kind of something that's naturally ingrained in you it's like I said with the male Gaye maybe you're not going to beat me up but like 200 years ago you would have stoned me to death and you know that tends to

Andrew Wilsontravel over decades and your ancestor maybe possibly getting stoned to death thousand years ago means something toal no I don't know what that that's not your point that was the point you just

Andrew Wilsonpoint is that in general women are less likely to talk back thing most most women here's the TR most women are never made to feel uncomfortable by a man and so when they

Andrew Wilsonare a lot of women panic and freak the [ __ ] out exactly where a man in that situation would attack back a lot of men also panic and freak out but I don't understand if the feminist egalitarian

Andrew Wilsonbelief is that we're [ __ ] equal and interchangeable widgets then be uncomfortable be made uncomfortable I'm saying and you're the only part of this that's been entertaining so far I think I think that

Millennial Millieyou know you kind of represent like the what is the polar opposite to the feminist in an in a opposite end of the spectrum where the feminists represent a

Millennial Millievery radicalized toxic version of femininity and what you're representing is a very toxic masculinity go ahead very

Millennial Millieradicalized no I'm not going to say that no yes you were no you you are representing a very radicalized version of what it is to be a man and you are

Millennial Millieyou are speaking in such a way that is very condescending if I'm on the extreme end of toxic femininity that would make

Andrew Wilsonit what finish the sentence for me toxic masculinity right if it's that's the extreme end to the toxic feminist wouldn't that be toxic masculinity what you're what you're essentially espousing

Millennial Milliehere are what I'm getting at is very radical beliefs they're in line what makes them radical they're not in the middle and they're not in line the only thing that makes it most people's belief sets are are you would say the majority

Millennial Millieof the population belief sets are going to be in that Center range and then you have some of the people who are like super ultra radical on both sides say I would say that they're both toxic and

Andrew Wilsonthey end being both toxic to the nuclear family what do you think that do you think that people who call Alex Jones's beliefs radical or correct what probably I want to hear Eden's question no I I want I want I

Andrew Wilsonwant to answer to mind do you think that people call Alex Jones's beliefs radical are correct we're talking about Alexon the reason I bring Alex Jones up in his beliefs and whether or not they're radicals because there's Millions upon millions of people who say that they're

Andrew Wilsonradical beliefs are they wrong and just calling something radical by the way leftist tactic just calling my beliefs radical without refuting them I can refute it ref I'm trying to explain

Millennial Millieright now is there's more Centric beliefs and then there's beliefs that you would see on on opposite sides of argentum an opposite side of a spectrum

Millennial Milliethat's an argument ATP but what I would say is that that both both sides when you're when you're way too much on this crazy deranged I hate men Spectrum

Millennial Millieversus this other very degrading I hate women Spectrum hate women why did you ever come up with that well you're saying women shouldn't be able to vote why does that mean that you hate them Andrew can I ask you you think should be able to vote you think should be able to

Millennial Millievote list you're talking about does that mean you hate them you're talking about the questions you you're pointing at all the women on this table here are very much about your values based on your

Andrew Wilsonlooks rate yourself one to 10 those AR my questions and those are my questions you shouldn't be able to have a a feminist came able to have a ro I don't give a [ __ ] how any of you look I'm just here for the

Millennial Milliearguments I could give a [ __ ] less he doesn't give a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] so why was it such a big issue to try to to to essentially because you took a position that I found absurd so I argued it and can I ask you that's fine but

Andrew Wilsonhere's the problem with when you when you I do then I come out and go now how would you rate yourself I don't give a [ __ ] how they look I'm here to do a debate I feel like you guys are talking in circles can she ask her question yeah but I feel like I feel like we're going

Andrew Wilsonto finish the argument real quick hang on so back to this we're almost done I want you believe in democracy can we take a vote can we so can we get back to this I would say not beling in the Constitution United States is kind of

Andrew Wilsonradical an argument ad popular what was in the Constitution that we had slavery did you believe in the Constitution then I've always believed in the Constitution except for I didn't believe believe in slavery oh he didn't so you don't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve in the Constitution well well you didn't believe in the Constitution so you believe in slavery no of course not but you're making the argument to me I don't believe in the Constitution when

FaithI put it right back on you neither do you so who cares okay um thank you so I wanted to ask you so I do believe in the Constitution by the way sorry just as

Faithit's written right now it's perfect right now yes like goad for instance uh don't let him interrupt you go ahead Okay so I just wanted to ask this and I wanted to come at this from a Christian perspective because I'm I'm genuinely

Faithreally curious I'm not trying to like back you into a corner or anything I'm genuinely curious so a lot of times on this show I've seen a lot of girls who claim to be Christian they come on here and they're like oh yeah you know I'm on

Faitho or I'm doing X Y and Z thing and you know you and and you or someone else points out well that's kind of conflicting right so do you think that sometimes that your delivery can be kind of conflicting with Christian values I

Faithknow that Jesus flipped the tables and everything but I think there is a time and a place and I think there is a way to conduct yourself and I know that being polite you know it's and debates don't really go together a lot of you

Kishawould you be nice to Satanist I yes of course and would you be nice to Satan love the and hate the sin the and

Kishahate the that's nowhere in the Bible you just made it up no that is in the Bible that is in the Bible where um well in chapter you just made it the [ __ ] up no I didn't earlier earlier you said wa I

Brian Atlashave something to say pull up let's find out if you're right I mean I don't have pull Andrew please earlier said chap you just made it the [ __ ] is that what should we chapter you just made it the [ __ ] up Andrew earlier you said that patriarchies have historically protected

Andrew Wilsonwomen can you can you site something for me or chat did you just make that the [ __ ] up yes I can actually here's a great example of it have you ever heard of the bantine Empire yes and well who

Andrew Wilsonran it um Constantine okay great Constantine did Constantine put in a code um probably put up a law can we not let's not do name did Constantine

Reneeput in a code oh but he can call me I was going to say he can be little nobody nobody uh probably there was probably something about not raping women but they probably still rape the [ __ ] out of all the women they probably did huh

Andrew Wilsonbased on just you just made it up based on I just made it the [ __ ] up why you do everything yeah but you don't have evidence for your point either I I do have evidence we just agreed con what

Andrew Wilsonthe code so here Constantine after he took uh or converted over um inside of the Byzantine Empire yes of course there was a doctrine that women were to be

Andrew Wilsonprotected and the reason that this happened is because uh one of the great assets when it comes to wartime is to make sure that your women are protected tell me the specific tenants I don't need to give you the specific code to

Reneenote that there is one oh so it's the you made that [ __ ] up chapter that's a genetic what you're making right now is a genetic I'm using the same fallacy that you've been using show the exact evidence show me the exact date time whatever when did I say

Andrew Wilsonthat on in exacting what when it wasn't the position that you postulated you said that patriarchies have historically protected woman I just gave an example that you agreed with okay but that is false in more cases than it is then give me a case where it's false and we'll

Andrew Wilsonargue it I hate it so much it's okay we don't have to argue no no no we do give me a case and we'll argue it give me a case and we'll argue it like I said because you don't [ __ ] you don't know one but yeah but I yeah but yeah that's

Millennial Millieright do you want to know why do you want to know why like this is the absurdity of what you're arguing women should relinquish their rights to what a

Millennial Millieman like you who is going to treat them in a belittling way condescending way and kind of an authoritarian way I mean you're not really like authoritarianism I thought you just said you should

Millennial Milliesubmit to your husband you are not convincing people women isn't your husband in Authority if you submit to him I don't think he's trying to you're not trying to it's saying it doesn't say men should force women to submit it's

Millennial Milliesays say women should be forced to subit submit then if they gave up their right to vote wouldn't they be willingly be submitting to men can somebody just get their point across without being intered like at least respectful conversation would be willful if the woman didn't

Millennial Milliehave a choice and you're saying taking the choice away from if wom gave up their right to vote tomorrow wouldn't that be submission not it's not willful if you take away her choice is it so here's the thing it's interesting so

Andrew Wilsonthat's not I think it's okay to take Choice away from people especially in various circumstances where they don't need to have the choice to begin with for instance I think it's okay to take away your choice to do heroin I think

Andrew Wilsonit's okay to take away your right to do an abortion I think it's okay to take away all sorts of values what about your right to smoke cigarettes what about it you'd be chill if the government took that away I think that there is a uh position when it comes to

Andrew Wilsonauthoritarianism where if the there was such a greater good that was served if the only way I could get rid of heroin and abortion was to also get rid of the cigarettes sure but does cigarettes do the same amount of [ __ ] damage that

Andrew Wilsonyou see uh inside of society that you see from only fans and these various things no a weakness is a weakness no no no yes it is it's not is it I think more people die from cigarettes than only

Andrew Wilsonfans their death their death itself is not the the um pushing of the decadence of society neither's the death of an Abed baby almost almost everybody yes that would that would move towards the

Millennial Milliedecadence of societ how about how about we go around a table and ask ask the women here if they would be willing to date a man like Andrew I hope the answer is no and that you would go get a great

Millennial Milliestud who was awesome go ahead my answer is no I feel Rene is kind of down can I ask you a question like I think Rene is kind I would hope that the

Aliciaanswer is no and you would go for a stud great everybody says no what does that have to do with anything real Qui it actually ask you something though because I've been dying to know I just want to know out of curious do you think that things have gotten better in this

Millennial Milliecountry since women got the right to vote um the direction of society okay I don't think that it's fair to use women as the scapegoat for all the problems in our country asking never answer your

Millennial Milliequestion I could I could point to no no no I could actually point to the exact reason why things in our society are going wrong and the number one no the actually I'm going to I'm going to go a

Millennial Millielittle bit deeper with that and I'm going to talk about the large uh investment hedge funds like Black Rock Vanguard State Street Capital many of the large funds that are

Millennial Millieinvesting in Eugenics programs in our country investing in the destruction of the nuclear family I'm going to go with those and I mean I would guess I'm just guessing the majority of the the board members and the shareholders on those

Kishaheadphones are mostly males I would just guess don't most women though vote Democratic but no she she what does that have to do with do you think that why do you think

Millennial Milliethis because of what they're seeing on Bas anti- capitalist no no no it's not anti istic it's not anti capitalistic no because those big head funds if anything they're destroying mom and pop

Millennial Milliebusinesses and small businesses so so they exist because of the unfed because of monopolies because of monopolies because of they allow these big giant corporations how many of these big corporations had to shut down during the

Millennial Millielockdowns Walmart was open all the the big chains were open but the small Mom and Pops they all had to close their doors and they all suffered because of it what I'm getting is your your

Millennial Milliequestion was yeah you think Mass wen't out there screaming with fcking signs yeah right I I would say the women are mostly voting Democrat because of what

Millennial Milliethey're seeing in music media Hollywood mainstream media cardi B right all those things so they can be influenced by brainwashing yes you I have a question B

Millennial Millieis brainwashing brainwash influ brainwashing you that women brain aess I could I

Millennial Milliecould keep this pg3 hold on I'm keeping it let me finish here talking about the majority of the reason our nation is hand basket is because of what people

Millennial Millieare consuming from the these mainstream media Outlets entertainment Hollywood so on so forth and a lot of those big Corp corporate interests those big companies they are large in part owned by by men I

Andrew Wilsonlike let us talk about dating we got to talk can't blame it all on women got talk about just answer this simple question that she asked then simple super simple

Millennial Millieif women were not able to vote would any of that be happening that's her question Cool problem reaction

Millennial MillieSolan dialectic created is problem to create the reaction create the solution I got a chat to read well can you name a causation that that has no correlation let's just move let's we're going to

TTS/Donation Voicemove on we're going to move on what what has a caused with no Motorsports donated $200 Rhino girl please stop until you can speak in something other than

TTS/Donation Voicetalking points you obviously are a lukewarm conservative at best and lack faith in the Lord get help be better you can change I'm not a rhino fizzle okay

Brian Atlasthank you grid one good to see you in the chat we have David trec coming in here in just a sec thank you man thank you grid one what's your name who's your daddy is he rich like me

Brian Atlashas he taken any time to show you what you need to live Tell It To Me Slowly zombies bomb love debate Rene you're out of frame just FYI uh okay thank you man

Brian Atlasyou know that's a song right I I it sounded like it was lyrics or something we have the great FB so saying that Andrew should let women be mean to him and be soft and weak because he is a Christian you thought since he

Brian Atlaswas a Christian you can use him as a punching bag that says more about you than Andrew who Christianity is not a pacifist is not a pacifist religion I think he meant to say may I please

Faithrespond to this quickly please okay so I would never ever want to use Andrew as a punching back I like a lot of his points actually and I the point I was making is I don't think anyone should be used as a punching bag and the difference between

FaithSatan and people who are maybe Satanist is because they're still people they're still human beings and there's room to change um and I think if we treat people as if there's no room to change or Room

Brian Atlasto Grow uh it's condemning and um it doesn't it doesn't give the people the option to change all right VV the principles of Love The Sinner but hate the sin is backed by scripture that

Brian Atlasspecific quote than you is not in the Bible however see Matthew 54344 and 61415 what's difficult is that often our modern worlds confuse love with excusing

Andrew Wilsonor ignoring degener Behavior quick quick please if you can the point the point here is to give push back that is the point of me being here is to give push back to your ideologies yes it's not always going to be nice yes

Andrew Wilsonit's going to sound like I'm being mean yes it's going to sound like all of this that's my purpose is not here to be nice and kind and fill your ass with smoke my purpose is here to destroy your ideology mangle it the worst way I possibly can

Andrew Wilsonand basically uh drub it through the street tar and feather it that's the point of me being here it wouldn't matter if all of you were men gone into the same room with him don't care means

Brian Atlasnothing to me I'm just here for the World Views awesome Mr Travolta with the hundred British pounds I think uh first girl is very thoughtful I don't agree with anything she says but she's very

Brian Atlasthoughtful eloquent and knows when to be quiet and the first girl her I have a name eloquent and those went to be quiet and listen okay those aren't traits of a

Brian Atlastypical feminist Andrew is just triggered because she doesn't believe in God there's no proof that God exists I don't care if she believes in God or not he does not I don't know Mr Travolta said you did have some

Brian AtlasFaith okay you know what you guys you guys should also do a debate oh my God a debate on Thursday and Friday that would be interesting um with no interruptions man that would be wonderful yeah we'll

Brian Atlastry our best um okay so uh before we get back into some dating related stuff these are always interesting questions that are you know cuz you know you know um

Rainagenerally speaking are uh who's are men physically stronger than women are men stronger than women

Brian Atlasyes yes yes generally speaking yeah yes yes yes yes okay you know just me and Andrew have encountered a couple who few

Brian Atlastimes that disagree and that's was an interesting convo uh can you be sexist towards men

Reneeum okay this is related to our feminism conversation but go ahead I have a general view that like like the feminist thing you guys know I think like Society is sexist and we have like this

Reneeinternalized sexist view of ourselves and that causes us when you say Society impct I'm saying but when you say Society is sexist towards who towards

Reneefemales it's p in totality it's it's not okay it's not sexist towards females and like discriminates from what they can or

Reneecan't do but okay there is an inherent sexism like weaved weaved into the thread of our existence on this planet just by the nature of our gender roles

Reneeand what is expected from each of us it's like the Christian thing but my arguments maybe that that has like some negative impacts okay so let's back up okay you can say something you can

Reneesay something sexist to a man in my opinion but like because it's like it's like can you be racist towards a black person well I mean yes I mean I meant a white person sorry can you be racist towards a white person yes you can be

Reneeracist towards a wise person but it's not the same as the societal oppression that black people as a race have experienced and women as a gender have experienced that's my answer okay um

Brian Atlasso yes you can be sexist towards a man well when you say men you you're talking about on an individual level but can you be sexist more broadly speaking towards men

ReneeH um I think I could meet a girl out there who could do it you know like who could I think it would have to be a very strong girl I

Andrew Wilsondon't know it's kind of a weird answer can't I can't wait to get into this soon as he's done going around the table mandry and sexism are different I think that's a

Brian Atlasmisandrist well hold on there's mandry and there's misogyny those are the two counter terms MH and then you have sexism which could be could be sexist towards men sexist towards women just

Reneeworks on both ends I well I'm saying like she just hates men because I'd say sexism is more of an act taken like to discriminate against someone versus one is just a distaste like a misandrist is

Reneesomeone who just generally hates men and someone who is sexist towards men would do things to like decrease their opportunities in the future so you are you saying you can be sexist towards men

Reneeyeah I guess I don't know it's a really roundabout way of answering I think that it's hard to be sexist towards a man and lots of women do not do it it's not common for women to be sexist towards

ReneeMen You're defining sexism um like I said it's inhibiting someone's progression in life so I I don't mean I don't mean like they're saying like oh you're ugly because back

Reneeup back up sexism is what now let's say a woman is the CEO of a company and she's interviewing a man and a woman for a job and she hires the woman purely on the basis that she's a woman I would say

Reneethat's sexism now miss sryy would be if a girl walks around and says [ __ ] you in every guy's face that she meets like you're broke and you're ugly because she just hates men that's not inhibiting their personal growth it's just she

Reneehates men okay so I'm saying it's harder to enact sexism against men in society however it's still possible whereas mandre is like way more like possible and easy I've met a lot of mandri you

Reneemean because women are asking men for more [ __ ] essentially they're asking for more things more stuff no I'm saying that you have to have power to oppressed so there the woman would have to be in a

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Brian Atlaslove is often experienced as pain thank you dig bck energy appreciate it thank you thank you uh anyway I thought that's what you just said though that aren't we

Reneesaying the same thing okay yeah okay women have to do that women have to ask for men for more things because of historically and like you said like your own beliefs you think that woman should have to ask men for more things uhhuh

Andrew Wilsonyeah okay but that would have nothing to do with the other thing so even if I thought mean the even if I thought and it was my belief that all the things that you're saying should happen should happen that was what I actually believed wouldn't make your descriptive claim

Andrew Wilsonthat it is happening true so I don't even know why you brought that up means nothing but back to your descriptive claim itself women are going so your definition here that's all I'm

Andrew Wilsoninterested in is that um mandry only can exist if you're in power over a man no sexism only exists if you're in power and then mandre is just hatred towards

Andrew Wilsonmen yes okay so you're saying that women are not in positions to do that because they have no power over men yes what about sexual power um I'd say they have less not that much sexual power over men

Reneeeither really can men abort your kids for you seems like quite the power actually I don't think I would be performing my own abortion I think a man would be performing who has to make the

Andrew Wilsonchoice uh me yeah you get to make the choice so when it comes to sexual power don't women have more sexual power than men do the question the question was whether or not I think that men EXP your

Andrew Wilsondefinition and that's what we're going off of is your definition of what is sexism and you said what sexism is you have to be in a position of power in order to perform sexism you're say so if

Reneethat's the case women have sexual power right so if a woman aborted her baby because her husband and her husband didn't or not her husband her boyfriend or whatever didn't want her to that's a huge amount of power you think that's an

Andrew Wilsonact of sexism well I'm I'm saying by your definition isn't that power um yeah yeah and isn't that being applied specifically to the opposite sex but it isn't an act of sexism because it

Andrew Wilsonwasn't on the basis of his his gender was it it was just she wanted to that's actually how it was selected was on the basis of his sex yeah because otherwise he would have a say in the abortion wouldn't he well they wouldn't have had

Andrew Wilsona child because it would have been two women no no no what I'm saying to you is is that it's selected that he's not allowed to have a decision in it based on his sex well if he could become pregnant

Andrew Wilsonthen he could have a decision that's that's a skill issue that's that's really a strange a strange way to go about it so if he could become pregnant then it would be his personal choice by by your by your standard I just want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure so if it's something which is inherent if there's some type of like inherent distinction or inherent uh difference then it doesn't fall in the realm of sexism what I was saying if it's not on

Reneethe basis of someone's gender or sex then it's not sexism and that her aborting a baby is not on the basis of the opposite person's gender or sex it's on it's I don't understand just something that can any man make the

Andrew Wilsondecision for a female to have an abortion or not they uh legally I don't think so no yeah so that seems like it's highly targeted towards a single sex

Andrew Wilsonthen yeah but the women are the ones carrying the child why is that the relevant thing here that they're car with someone who wants abortions why are you having sex you guys can move on I think I made

Daliahmy point pretty clear from everybody okay what was the original question even okay can you be sexist towards men this whole little argument I don't

Brian Atlasknow at this point I really don't know well hold on okay can you be sexist towards women I mean yeah well why is it that you can answer affirmatively to that question but not to the question because

Daliahjust like how she said like can you be racist towards a white man like well okay okay that I can get to that one later but but I mean it's kind of like [ __ ] it let's start right now okay

Brian Atlasstarting with you can you be racist we're going to forget right where we were at though but we we'll come back can you be racist towards white people you can discri yes you can discriminate

Reneeagainst them based on the color of their skin however like the there's okay what's your definition of racism systematic disadvantages to a

Reneecertain population or group based on their ethnic or national identity okay I don't understand what's so painful that so no you can't be racist towards white people no I said you can

Reneebe racist towards them but it'll never be in the same like it won't uh it's like you can commit an act

Reneeof racism but it's not like there's no okay okay are there are is there uh it's like what I was saying with sexism if

Reneethe group that is perpetuating the action is not imp then it it doesn't make sense can you be um Can Asian can

ReneeAsian people be racist towards black people yes can black people be racist towards Asian people um yes but less so that's interesting okay because I'd say

Reneethat um the Black American Experience is very unique whereas Asian people who experience racism a lot of them are people being racist towards Native americ everybody's experience is unique

Aliciayeah okay yeah I mean Japanese Americans were in interment c yeah I'm aware yeah but what about that like okay here let's get everybody's answers I'm saying that societ societally there's been a group

Brian Atlasthat has experienced the most racis can you be racist towards white people the most hold on hold on go ahead go ahead go ahead yes you can make racist remarks no no no can you be racist towards white

Daliahpeople I don't like I I don't know this this is like something that I really like can't really speak on because I'm obviously just uneducated and I don't really want to put myself in that position well I'm just like can you be racist towards Asian people yes it

Brian Atlashappens every day can you be racist towards black people it happens every day can you be racist towards Latinos it happens every day can you be racist towards Native Americans it happens every day you're asking can you racist can you be racist towards white people

Brian Atlaslike I guess yes in a sense you can you can be why why are you so quick to affirmatively answer all those other questions but when it comes to racism towards white people you're incapable of

DaliahSimply answering the question because I don't know the white experience I don't know well are you I are you Latina yes are you Asian no are

Brian Atlasyou black no are you Native American no so why were you able to answer on behalf of those other races because it happens every day I've seen it personally happen what if I told you racism happened

Andrew Wilsonagainst white people every day would that sway you well then deny something that's a fact if it's happening then how can I deny it okay well then it's happening so you don't deny it right

Daliahokay okay great okay so can you be sexist towards men if it's happening yes if I don't really understand the

Daliahanswer if that's what's going on and people are being Sexes towards men then yes if people are belittling them then yes but at the same time I do agree with her statement that like if you are the

Daliahmajority it doesn't hit as hard yes the majority it's still sexist it's still racist it's still whatever it may be but it doesn't hit as hard if you are the

Brian Atlasmajority well men men AR the majority oh stay safe in the chat yo thank you for the uh big raid man we're

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Brian AtlasWarcraft related question for the table uh would you date a guy who played a male human

Daliahwarlock go ahead go ahead Renee quick quick quick quick uh yes yes I don't know no no I'm confused

Brian AtlasI'm confused I was so confused no no like he's playing destruction spec oh sure yeah who cares like he's a he's

Brian Atlaslike a gigachad pumper Raider yeah like parses in the like 100 speak English to us what about you like you you down sure okay cool anyways moving on men can

Brian Atlasexperience sexism well hold on we'll get to you white people can experience RAC I don't know if you fully gave your answer can you be sexist towards men yes um wait do you actually believe that

Daliahthough or you just kind of like all right move on I mean why yes sure on wait wait yeah sure to the question I just asked you or yeah sure you can be I mean there's

Daliahno point in giving my opinion when you're just going to go to the point that you want you know what I mean so what is your opinion I won't even debate you I just

TTS/Donation VoiceI'll hear your opinion and then I'll move on to the next person I won't I won't even debate you but I've already said that I don't know okay that's fine grid One Motorsports

TTS/Donation Voicedonated $200 that's a good point white people are the minority in the world some of my ancestors came over as indentured servants do you know what

TTS/Donation Voicethat means you kids understanding of history and culture is pathetic oh some of the myanc came over and well the orig

Brian Atlasthe originating term of slave comes from Slavic why people were the OG slaves I think anyways um yo grid One Motorsports thank you really quick we're going to continue on this thread Kyle Kelce dude

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Brian Atlassuper chats a little bit later on so can you be sexist towards men um for

Kishathe sexist and racist question I think answers both is yes okay yes to both yes yes to

Brian Atlasboth yes obviously yes yes and yes okay all right so Rene is a little bit of an outlier here with her answer well there's I'd say there's personal

Reneeinstances of racism and sexism and there's as a whole generally in Society racism and sexism they're phenomenons that we experience every day

Brian Atlasif there were hiring practices that are put in place by uh corporations that said to deprioritize white men in hiring and to

Brian Atlashire uh people who are part of quote unquote minority groups somehow women are included in I don't know how that works but uh to prioritize hiring women

Brian Atlasand hiring people of color uh would that be evidence of racism or sexism against white men it goes against the Civil Rights Act I believe right right or

Brian Atlasthey're discriminating fory so but you are familiar with like de Dei practices and affirmative and affirmative action but which which de prioritizes hiring

Reneebut it's ille it's illegal to hire them doesn't stop it from happening um I would say that is an experience of RAC to be clear so okay okay daily dreaming

TTS/Donation Voice88 donated $200 nothing is ever a one-way Street everyone can experience racism or sexism you don't have to be white to realize

Brian Atlasthis you don't have to be a murderer to know Murder is real or wrong happens to all yo daily dreaming thank you man appreciate your patronage uh well put

Brian Atlaswell put wait so you said well it's illegal well isn't it illegal to pay men and women different wages

Reneeyeah so you so are you conceding like you don't believe in the wage Gap then um I believe in it i' never said that I didn't believe what you but I thought it's illegal it's illegal so it can't possibly happen Okay it can still happen

Reneedefinitely and I bet I'm sure that there have been hiring practices against white people put into place for certain corporations but for many other corporations they exclusively hire

Reneepeople they already know um so nepotism that have to do with race that does because people feel comfortable around their own race um just like maybe an Asian company would only want to more so hire Asian

Reneeum employees they feel comfortable around their own race and understand that I'm just saying systematically over time because white people have been in such a higher place of power they've been able to do that and connect with their communities in a more

Andrew Wilsoncomprehensive way than other R to the definition of racism being only institutional Authority rather than defer to a definition of I didn't defer to either one I acknowledged both of

Andrew Wilsontheir existence and I said so if I delated one of them and I conceded that the other one does exist if the other form of racism EX exists aren't people just as capable black white whatever of

Reneebeing just as racist as the next person yeah okay yeah I'll concede that but I'm just saying I don't want that to be used to belittle or demean like how much more I think systematic oppression is

Reneeimpactful versus these oneoff acts of discrimination although they do are bad and obviously I don't how do you quantify systemic oppression you don't have to quantify it you can look at the

Andrew WilsonHistorical examples you can look at laws quantifying it it would be quantifying if you looked at the data there's statistics yeah so how how would we quantify and by what methodology would

Reneeyou use to quantify whether or not something was systemic racism or not you that's not a quantifiable thing you'd have to use qualitative and quantifiable what qualitative and

Andrew Wilsonquantitative factors would you use um well you'd probably have to do some poll research mhm um but that would just be if you're polling that would just be asking people how they felt essentially right yeah but isn't that what we're all doing

Reneearen't you just asking me how I feel no I'm asking you for your opinion and if it's based around objective fact instead of feelings in fact oh whoa facts over feelings well I'm I I told you that both

Andrew Wilsonexists I don't have a problem with yeah I know but so back to this how would you go about trying to figure out how you would quantify what is systemic racism because like for instance you

Reneehave to it's not quantifiable it's not quantif so just ween if you go to no if you go to history classes not quantif right it's not empirical then how is it anything

Reneeother than a feeling um you said the thing about the patriarchy protecting women earlier and you brought up the example of the Byzantine Empire is that anything more than just a feeling there's no quantifiable evidence that yeah but I wasn't looking for something which was Quantified then we were giving

Reneeyou examp I'm not looking at something that's Quantified either how do you how would what unit would you even use to quantify systematic racism ask you it's your definition yeah okay money years incarcerated that kind of thing there you go so if you're just using gears

Reneeincarcerated though okay here we go oh higher crime rate mhm there you go and the problem with that is I just already know what argument you're going to make so I don't know why you're talking guessing you have a great counter for it

Kishawhat's the actual definition like why aren't we pulling up actual definitions of words and then asking people's opinions because people can come up with whatever definition for whatever thing they

Reneewant real defition there's no such thing as a SL had zero lasting imp philos they just after reconstruction they just made that I have to answer one question can you answer mine first as soon as I'm

Reneedone answer you mine first just give me one second calm down lady I'm just acting like he does I mean you wouldn't let her talk for like five minutes I was already in the middle of having a debate we're in the middle of having a debate no I was

Andrew Wilsonin the middle of having a debate with her and you just went but fine my attention's all focused on you what did you want I asked a question what was the question loky I forgot great so back to

Andrew Wilsonthis now you forgot your question just saying that anybody come up with a definition of anything what makes this a

Kishacup that's just agreed upon or couldn't we call it bubble gum I remember my question I mean but then that throws every argument that you've put on the table out the door this en if a person comes up with a definition they

Kishamight have a definition which deviates from whatever you finding the dictionary there is 2 plus 2 equals 4 yes I agree always that's a metaphysical truth not a socially constructed one yeah but there

Andrew Wilsonwhat makes that a cup is metaphysical it's physical it's not social the glass is real the beer inside the glass is real what makes it a cup what makes it

Kishathat it's literally a cup like it was made by a glass maker what makes it not aerology it's literally a cup like I don't see you can it's a cup cuz it's a

Andrew Wilsoncup no but like it's like explaining how do you explain the word do no it's not it's not like that we're just talking about definition you make a definition a person can make a definition for whatever they want and I don't care

Kishaabout opin like opinion of a definition what is the literal definition so you're just going to appeal to an authority though right no because there things are definitive like this is blue it's a cup

Kishawhat makes a social construction def sometimes cylindrical object that can contain fluids I think my question is that's a very that's a very stupid argument cuz at the end of the day no for real it's trash no no dis

KishaI well that was disrespect I'm sorry you think that you think that definitions are objective no like a cup is a cup and if you're going to ask somebody what their opinion of a cup is someone can't say oh

Kishawell it might be a cat like what is the argue what is the definition sexism let people get their opinions based on their understanding if they're going based on something that's in the clouds they don't even have any understanding of

Kishathis is a completely waste of a conversation yeah you have to Define terms when you're going a discussion Define chair I'm not here we're not we're not discussing chairs question sexism Define a chair it's a stupid

Andrew Wilsonquestion a chair is literally an an inanimate object that you can sit on does it have to have four legs I mean a chair can have four legs it can have three it depends on the structure of the chair what makes it a cushion then not a

Kishachair or a couch versus a chair I'm I'm not a I'm not a cushion or a chair connoisseur okay pull up the P the definition of a chair and then we'll discuss what a chair is I'm saying

Kishawhat makes the definition that you pull up of the chair an authority on what a chair is what makes the definition correct the inventor I don't know guy who originally invented chair and then we'll talk about what he made chair to

Kishaso you're appealing to an authority which is fallacious that's I'm a woman I appeal to authorities so you're just a walking fallacy no I I'm I'm a woman so I so you're just a walking F I just always appeal to Authority when I make arguments no there's there's there's

Kisharight and there's wrong 2 plus 2 equals 4 you can't just say oh some like 2 2al 5 it's going to equal 5 no like you're sitting here asking question it's not a fair like you're asking a question can

Kishathis person can uh someone be sexist to men okay I said yes she said you know many things at the end of the day bring up the actual definition of what what makes that the definitive definition other than appealing to the authority

Kishathat it is bring then give your definition that's what I she was doing that's what I asked her to do and you have a problem with it no because it's not there it's like a waste of a back and forth there's no definitive yes or

Kishano like if you can't sit down and prove this is where I'm getting my ideology from this is where I'm getting my standpoint from then everyone's just sitting here talking about feelings and it's going in circles it's like bro do

Andrew Wilsonyou get headaches cool so so the word cool smokes the word cool can mean cold or it could mean awesome or it can mean all sorts of different [ __ ] other than

Andrew Wilsonthe word yeah but not just that definitions themselves if you say look I only use this dictionary definition of this thing fine we can do that but what if somebody has a different definition

Kishathan what the dictionary is what makes the diary right and talk about it pull up right pull up the different variations of you're not answer my question you're just talking no because you're saying what makes that right pull up the different variations of the word

Andrew Wilsonand then discuss the difference between them what makes it what makes the dictionary definition correct you have to have a person coming up their own definition something to go by so what makes the dictionary definition correct you can't say when

Andrew WilsonI'm saying Apple I really mean orange or you're not going to be able toess concept fallacy but if you were to say I call this a Le flipid do and I call this a a Dun and this is the apple and this is the orange we still know what we're

Millennial Millietalking about I think what's happening with a lot of the progressive uh ideology is they're actually redefining terms and then when they're describing their what they are describing as racism or sexism or whatever they've actually

Millennial Millietried to redefine it with their own new invented definition

Andrew Wilsonlay what your exactly what we were doing when I asked for her definition that's literally what we were doing you asked

Millennial Millieher hers asking hers I'm saying because because because we're going off of her he's not understanding it no I'm not only my understanding I'll man so that

Andrew Wilsonwe we've heard why would my definition mean anything when we're asking a question about her belief we absolutely cuz you're debating with her so you

Millennial Millieshould Define what sexism is to you she's defined it what is to her and then that would actually explain some of the miscommunications happen there's no miscommunication happening nobody was confused except you actually there is

Millennial Milliemiscommunication because I think too many confused confused but we were never confused excuse me stop you're excused no stop no you stop the the reason is you're so [ __ ] low IQ I can barely

Millennial Millietalk to you you don't even know definition is here's the actual problem if you were to actually attack it at their definition you could destroy their argument immediate yeah why I asked her for the definition to destroy your

Millennial Millieargument problem is you're not actually disputing it with what the correct definition is and that's what Kaa is trying to point you and what is the correct definition yeah tell her what it

Reneeis so she can see that what would make what would make that definition correct oh my god look you yes you can be racist and sexist towards white people and men you can be racist and sexist towards a

Reneewhite man I concede my other definition is something that I feel like they teach us in school and that's wrong because they're redefining terms like racism always meant there's there's always been two meanings in the dictionary for both

Millennial Millieof them though under the true original definition of racism absolutely everyone is capable you can be racist against a white person I think I think the problem is the progressives they've decided

Millennial Milliewe're just going to now redefine what racism is is and then in their new definition of it they're excluding white people and they're saying it has to be because they're they're turning into the definition saying it has there has to be

Millennial Milliea power imbalance right so they're redefining what racism is I think that's the point here is if you if you talk about no the the only true definition of racism is discriminating against

Millennial Milliesomebody based on their race you said that I would have seeded that yes you can do that is by definition racism okay and I think that's the definition going off because we're not acknowledging their other cuz what they're actually

Millennial Milliedoing is they're merging together what they believe was originally systemic racism they've just merged that into just generalized racism well it's just that the are the same word care care how they Define a thing I want to know how

Andrew Wilsonthey Define it so that I can get into the argument and destroy the argument that's why I'm asking for the definition you want to cause chaos in that's not chaos that's the opposite that would be order destroying an argument see how

Andrew Wilsonwhen I defined racism she was able to concede and say well yes white you can be racist concede to your definition but I would still like to know what she means by institutional racism how we quantify that and why we should see to

Andrew Wilsonthat definition to begin with I don't even need to give a counter defition in order to go into the worldview it's called an internal critique people do it all the time it's fine to do one people have definitions you can internally critique those definitions appealing to

Andrew Wilsona dictionary definition doesn't mean it's the correct definition so she asked to explain her argument you don't have to she made the argument so yes do yes do you to explain when you make an

Andrew Wilsonargument I don't have to I don't have to do anything but internally critique it cuz it's your position yes that's right do that's correct do you believe that reconstruction was done

Reneeperfectly uh what do you mean by reconstruction uh after the Emancipation Proclamation passed well and then perfect what do you mean by

Reneeperfect I'm sorry what do you mean by perfect when did I say perfect reconstruction done perfectly oh oh yeah um was it done in a way so that we

Reneecurrently have no systematic Injustice discrimination racism against black people no I would say that there might be so okay so you didn't even obliterate

Andrew Wilsonmy argument in fact you somewhat agreed with it a tiny I did was answer a question okay well so yeah so there might be some but that doesn't mean that there's more than there is against any other race it doesn't mean that there there's less or more than there are

Andrew Wilsonagainst whites it doesn't mean that there's less or more than there are against this or that all I did was say sure but I cont of reconstruction and after slavery I there could still be overhaul systems but there could be

Andrew Wilsonother factors which lead to other races being uh more racially profiled perhaps you think that any other race has experienced a worse CLE uh not cleavage but historical acts than black Americans

Reneein America Native Americans had a pretty awful time yeah they did and I'd say yeah but besides that can't you say that definitively then they in society

Andrew Wilsonexperience a general level of inequality that is higher now that's a different argument asking it then and now well I I asked you if you thought reconstruction was perfect and yeah but when you said Perfect all you did was say that you

Andrew Wilsonwould admit that there could possibly be inequalities even now and I would say sure there could be is there equalities even I don't know just name one Planned Parenthood targeting uh black communities that would not be an

Andrew Wilsoninequality that's done from the government level that would be an Institutional Progressive lobbying group that's doing that yeah well it would be a progressive lobbying group that's doing that it's not the government's not

Andrew Wilsonforcing blacks to have abortions okay but um we elected okay you elected who you elected people who forced blacks to have abortions or is

Kishathe institutions in the government actually targeting specific races is is that the question uh I think in that particular case she's asking yes if Planned Parenthood itself well that was

Kishaher or any or any institution within the United States is targeting specific races of people yeah okay well the answer is yes that definitely does happen um that happens with black people it happens with now RAC like I said

Andrew Wilsonracis what I just said it happens it happens to all sorts of different races I'm not willing to concede immediately that it happens more to one group than another that's why I asked for specifics well I I was about to give a specific is

Kishaabout to tell you specific I'm not U like I said racism can happen to anybody but for example um human trafficking for example uh if if uh I think someone I

Kishawas doing an interview with someone running for congress and they said where four children uh will go missing of brown white um black background uh at

Kishaleast 5,000 uh indigenous women and children will go missing and DHS is involved in this you know uh family courts are involved in this um immigration is involved in this like a

Kishabunch of different uh agencies from the government are actually involved in trafficking minority children so there is we got to we got to steer clear on this okay well there's a lot of what my point is there is a lot of um government

Kishaagencies that do Target minorities white people can get um racism as well but there there is government agencies involved in in a lot of stuff do you think they target um white people by

Aliciakind of shutting down any AR argument by basically saying you can't even have an say in this you're white I mean people I've heard people do that I mean you're kind of like scoffing but if you not in

Aliciathe government in this conversation yeah probably but not govern what I'm saying is if you're basically negating somebody's perspective purely based on their race and they can't even have a a perspective on it isn't that kind of

Andrew Wilsonracist I never said anyone nobody ever said anyone's perspective like did you were you not here for all the riots that happened where the government in inside these major metropolitan areas literally

Andrew Wilsoncleared their police forces out so that people could Riot loot destroy take over whole city blocks things like that pretty institutional I must say but that's not actively discriminating

TTS/Donation Voiceagainst that's pretty actively discriminating against certain group another group years we're Irish we were slaves

Andrew Wilsondo we have records of who profited fash owned slaves in us why are all and only white people held responsible also you know when you look at the slave trade

Millennial Millietoo we're also some of the first to end it so and we're always held responsible for that as well well I also think it's interesting that the generalization to to say you know we hear a lot of times

Millennial Millieleftists blaming all white people for this that and the other and the reality is as many people even that live in the United States that are white um they

Millennial Millietheir family immigrated here much later than slavery right so how would you hold them responsible for things that happen I don't think we have to hold them responsible at all and I don't

Reneebenefiting from the institution how do we how do we and I don't disagree and I don't and I don't I mean what's it called and I don't immediately disagree with white people just on the basis that they're white I don't think that either

Aliciaof those are no I don't think you necessarily I was like extrapolating something that happens more generally so it's basically like oh you can't have an opinion because you weren't um impacted by it and that kind of happens with men

Aliciaon certain topics like you don't have a uterus shut up or you weren't involved you weren't a slave so you can't you don't know what it's like to be uh affected by racism as if people who aren't the that exact thing then they

Reneecan't have an opinion I think that's what I was talking I wasn't saying specifically you yeah I I don't know I think they're I think it's pretty common for I see

Reneewhat you mean from some communities definitely probably like shutting down white people's opinions but I think I don't know I don't think it's gone to like a systematic level yet

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