100 Body Count By 19?! She CHEATED On Fiancé W/ His BEST Friend? ØF Mom/Daughter? | Dating Talk #247

Date: 2025-06-16

Duration: 7h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAnya Matusevich >

CCrystal (Sociology)>

PPervin/Pearl >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Crystal (Sociology)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Pervin/Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_06Felicity Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Anya Matusevich(guest)

SPEAKER_14Vanna Rose(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces episode with remote Andrew Wilson

Topics Discussed

Episode with Andrew Wilson remote

Andrew Wilson joins remotely. Multiple guests.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasBecause I think that she's like way more gorgeous than me. So, I was just like thinking, "Oh, right. Maybe should I I understand that you're curious, but I just told you you can't be doing sidebars. She's talking right now. It's

Brian Atlasrude and disruptive to her for you to be leaning over and whispering. It's bad for the audio quality for the audience. I just told you 5 minutes ago."

Brian AtlasNow, here's your opportunity. 100 women versus accountability. I'm sorry. I'm not going to do it again. That's all I need. I'm sorry. I won't do it again.

Pervin/PearlThank you. Go ahead. Um, so yeah, based off of the flex like it fluctuating, it would depend on personal preference, beauty standards. Beauty standards are

Pervin/Pearlalways changing. And I don't think anyone is a 10 because everyone has flaws and imperfections and it's just a preference at the end of the day. Lovely. Okay, going back to you, do you

Anya Matusevichthink you'll be better looking in 10 years time? Um, honestly, I think I'm looking better now that No. Answer is no. I think I look better now than I will 10 years time. You're 19. Will you

Brian Atlasbe better looking in 10 years time at 29? Um, I would say yeah. Yes. 20 years time 39. No. Okay. You're 35. Will you

Brian Atlasbe better looking in 10 years time at 45? Absolutely not. But can only hope. Okay. And are you better looking now at 35 than you were at 25? Um,

Vanna Roseprobably less looking. Yeah. No, I was better at 25. Probably. You're 23. Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 33? Um, I would say yes cuz I can work on myself, you know, so I could

Vanna Roselike whatever I feel like I don't like I could change. Are you talking about plastic surgery? No, just like my body or whatever, you know, like in like 10 years if I were to be working out consistent like you know, like things

Brian Atlaslike that, like it could change. Yeah. Okay. What about 20 years time at 43? Better looking than how you look now? What did you say? I'm so sorry. Uh 40.

Vanna RoseSo you're 23 now. In 20 years time at 43, will you be better looking? Um I would I would say yeah, cuz it's, you know, I feel like a lot of times like when you age like marks and stuff show

Vanna Roselike the things that you've been through. So I would say I would be be more beautiful then cuz it shows like the things that I've gone through, you know, or like that I've lived that long. Okay. So 30 years time, how about 53?

Vanna RoseBetter looking than now? Probably now then probably 50, but it depends because a lot of women that are 50 or nowadays, you know, you won't even you can't even tell. So

Crystal (Sociology)Okay. Uh you're 32 better looking in 10 years time at 42? Probably not. Okay. And were you better looking 10 years ago at 22? Yeah, just because I was more of an athlete and I played sports, so I was

SPEAKER_05more in shape. Okay. You're 44 or better looking in 10 years time at 54? No. I feel like my prime was in between 35 and 40. Okay. So, if we go back, uh, were you better looking at 34? Oh, yes. And

Pervin/Pearlthen were you better looking at 24? Uh, no. Okay. I was better looking at my 30s. All right. Um, I would say it would depend. Um, better looking in 10 years time. It would depend whether I decide

Pervin/Pearlto get like any cosmetic procedures. I wouldn't I'm not against it. So, what do you think? I guess um I've seen like how people get like facelifts and

Brian Atlasthey look unrecognizable. They don't even show their age. So, it's a possibility. So, like you're 25 now. Go forward 10 years. You have flawless plastic various flawless plastic surgery

Pervin/Pearlpro procedures. I'm sure I'd look better at probably not as good as in our prime 20s. Yeah, it's possible. Okay. 20 years time, 45. Better looking with all these plastic surgery interventions? No,

Brian Atlasprobably not. We start decaying as time comes. Okay. Uh Felicity, what about you? No. Do we have the things ready to go, Mayor? Okay. We have Pasty George.

Brian AtlasChair three. Calm down, lady. Calm down. Lol. I take back calling chairs two and three gross, but not the boring part. Lol from Pasty George because you guys were shooting shots at them. All right, we have Pasty George. Not to be rude or

Brian Atlasoffensive, but chair 5 looks like she's getting ready to assassinate someone. Lol. Are you an assassin? No.

Brian AtlasNo. Okay. All right. Um, I have You're good to go. Yes. Do we have gender yet or no? Okay. Maybe we'll get those later. All right, guys. So, we do the segment on the show related to the

Brian Atlasprevious question. Uh, we age advanced all of you guys. Some of you said you'd look better in 10, 20, 30 years, whatever it is. So, we're going to put it to the test. Let's go ahead and go through that.

Anya MatusevichOh boy. Oh boy. Oh my god. I'm so excited. No way. Oh gosh. All right. Next. I hope not cuz my my mom is still like objectively very

SPEAKER_05beautiful. So, I hope that that doesn't happen. Please make me a hot grandma. Um, what is that picture? Beautiful.

SPEAKER_05Okay. What is What is the What is the years there? We're looking at 30 10 years ahead and 20 years. It's just

SPEAKER_05vague aging. It's just vague. Got it. All right. Next. Wait. Oh my god. I'm the worst. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05I'm scared. I'm scared. I feel like that's not bad. Um, I'll still You're actually kind of cute. I'll still have my bonsa. You're actually kind of cute. It's funny how you said that. Bye. Next.

Brian AtlasOh my god. That's terrible. Hey, you guys. Wait. Hey, that's mother daughter here. Why don't we get one of Brian? It's God damn. Relax. We'll get there. They're

Brian Atlasgoing to do it. It's okay. We'll get there. I didn't know. Sorry. Oh my god. The first picture is good. All right, next. Oh my god, this filter.

SPEAKER_05Okay, I can't wait to see mine. Next. Oh my gosh. Okay. All right. Is the best, guys.

Pervin/PearlYeah, that's not bad. Milk. There you go. All right. Next. Oh, yeah. Definitely need that. It doesn't look bad. She's cute. It doesn't

Vanna Roselook bad. No, you look good. Look at you. Gorgeous. That picture is really good. The first one. And all of them. Next. They snapped a good one. Yikes.

Vanna RoseYikes. What the All right. Next. Last one. You don't Oh my gosh. Silver box. You got a professional photo.

Brian AtlasIs there another one? There's not. Okay. They used an old They used an old photo. I guess we don't have one of Andrew, but uh All right. We have Let's see here. Did we have Did we do this? Aren't I

Brian Atlasalready at the end of that aging threshold? Something like that. Yeah, I feel like I'm already an old man. You don't even have to add to it. It's It's just We have a big super chat from Sean

Brian AtlasBrewers here. The big 200. Thank you, man. Happy Father's Day to the panel. At least to those who speak to their father. That's actually interesting. Uh, so happy Father's Day, Brian and Andrew.

Brian AtlasOh, okay. So, I going around the table. Uh, are you in touch with your Wait, a couple questions here. Are your parents still together? And do you have a good relationship with your father? Go

Anya Matusevichahead. My parents are not together. Um, I have a really good relationship with my dad. I I know this is rich coming from me, but I honestly think he was the best dad I could ever ask for.

SPEAKER_05Um, my parents are married, but um, me and my dad are really not close, but I'm really close to my mom.

SPEAKER_05Um, my mother passed away when I was 18, and my dad died when I was 25, so I don't have a relationship with him anymore, but when he was alive, we were

Vanna Rosebest friends, and I miss him every day. And I had a great great relationship with my father. Well, sorry to hear that. What about you? Um, my parents are still married and yeah, I have a good

Crystal (Sociology)relationship with my dad. What about your mom? No, no kidding. Yeah. No, I have Me and my mom are like, can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table? Crystal, go ahead. Um, my parents are

SPEAKER_05divorced. I've talked to both parents. Okay. What about you? Um, my parents have never really been together. It was kind of like a a one night stand thing.

SPEAKER_05Um, I actually found my father during CO through an ancestry DNA test. And, uh, he's an amazing, incredible man. Um, and

SPEAKER_05so I'm close with I guess I'm I talk with both of them. I'm getting to know my dad, but I was raised by my stepdad, but we didn't really have a great relationship. Complicated.

Pervin/PearlOkay. My parents are divorced, and I would say I have a closer relationship with my mom.

Brian AtlasMy dad is dead. I've disowned my mom. Oh, baby. Damn. Sorry to hear that. My parents are still together. Great relationship with both parents. Lucky

Andrew Wilsonyou. I mean it. Uh, okay. Okay, let's get into the My uh my parents are happily married and still together and adore me and we're just phenomenal,

Brian Atlasfantastic parents and every capacity you could imagine. Uh Crystal, you getting into your pre-show notes, you said that your content is very hypocritical. Although I see points you make that are true, you

Brian Atlasconcentrate more on women rather than men, whereas men can be held accountable in relationships as well and the reason why things don't work out. So your disagreement is uh you disagree with the views of the roles of women that the

Brian Atlashost talks about as it is not realistic in today's society and believes what he says is hypocritical as he believes women should stay at home and take care of the kids but also says women aren't

Brian Atlasrealistic and and gold diggers when looking for men making over $100,000 when in when in reality a salary of 100,000 a year is the least amount to make when trying to take care of a

Brian Atlasfamily financially in California without the woman working. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so I don't I don't recall I I even have ever

Brian Atlaseven used the term gold digger on the show. I do sometimes scoff though if a woman uh who is not particularly remarkable herself wants a man who say

Brian Atlasmakes $500,000 which would put him in the top 1%. I think that's unrealistic. If a if a woman desired a man who makes a 100,000k,

Brian Atlaswhich while it is above the average income, at least even in California, but throughout most of the rest of the country, uh 100,000

Brian AtlasI don't think is that is completely unrealistic. It is it is a man who is starting to get to his way to being a high earner. Uh but I think you're uncharacterizing this

Brian Atlasa bit unfairly. Most of my criticism rests when these women come on saying they want a man who makes seven figures, 500,000 plus, and they're again, like I

Brian Atlassaid, not particularly remarkable in their own right. Would you disagree with me that it might be unreasonable for an average woman to desire a man who makes or hold out for a man who makes say

Crystal (Sociology)$500,000 to over a million dollar a year? Probably. My point was that like a lot of points you make is that women should stay at home and take care of the

Crystal (Sociology)kids, but in reality that's not realistic in California. A lot of men who are minimum wage don't make enough money for the for the wife to take care

Andrew Wilsonof the kids by by themselves. That that's basically what my point was. That is true. It's almost like there's 49 other states that you could move to.

Crystal (Sociology)I I haven't looked into that. I don't know how much you have to make in other states, but I know that that's on average it is in California. Everything costs the same everywhere, right? Yeah,

Crystal (Sociology)it's Yeah, you're paying quite the premium for the sunshine. I Yeah, I would say so. I haven't really I don't know what uh minimum wage is over in other states, but my point was

Andrew Wilsontowards California. Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing about California is that it's a cesspole and it's filled to the brim with uh scum

Andrew Wilsoneither scumbag yepies or uh you know, degenerate losers. LA is a horrific place. I wouldn't wish any I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to live in Los Angeles. You know, the best place in the

Andrew Wilsonworld in California to start a business is anywhere outside of California. That's the best place. Taxes. I can disagree with that. pretty bad. So, yeah, you can raise a family on a

Andrew Wilsonsingle income. You just can't do it there. I agree. I agree. It's really hard to raise a family on a single income in California where, you know, I think San Francisco, I looked, the poverty threshold there is like $80,000

Andrew Wilsona year. That's insanity. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's insanity. But the Midwest is filled to the brim with jobs. So is the South, right? It's just that people choose not to to leave. But it's like you got to you got to set what your priorities are. If you actually want a

Crystal (Sociology)family, you don't do that in California. It's a terrible place to raise a family anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of uh a lot of the time too though if you're born here, your family lives here, you

Crystal (Sociology)don't want to like move out like your your parents, your siblings just it's it's kind of hard moving to a different area also. Well, that's what

Andrew Wilsonthat's I mean the whole point of that is uh so if you get married, you also adopt your entire husband's family, right? That's part of that. Yeah. And so if your husband doesn't live in California,

Andrew Wilsonlet's say he lives in the Midwest or someplace like that, you do have family then, don't you? Yeah, I guess I'd say so. Yeah, that's that's one big perk. But another one is like that's how

Andrew Wilsonpeople start up family dynasties, man. That's why there's Wilsons all over. That's why it's such a common last name. They're all over the place, right? There's Wilson's running all over California, Nevada, all the Midwest, the South. Families starting up dynasties

SPEAKER_05all over the place. If it's too expensive to live, you move somewhere else. If you want a family anyway. Yeah. Wait, I I have of a question like um can we

SPEAKER_05like go around and say like how much we put on the paper to like for our husband to make per year? I'm just curious like Yeah, we can do that right now. Um

SPEAKER_05minimum yearly income for your future husband? I think I put 75K. I feel like I put the highest. I put a million.

SPEAKER_05I do agree. What about you? Um, I would want someone who makes maybe just like 15% more than I do just because I feel like it's

SPEAKER_05just makes me feel like he's a bit more masculine. So, I'm not looking for someone who's, you know, a multi-millionaire, but just someone who's just like got it like if [ __ ] hits

SPEAKER_05the fan, you know, can kind of protect me in your disaster. Yeah. On your notes, you did write equal to you. Um, but so I guess I mean 15%. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05What What is that though? How much do you make? It depends. Uh, I don't know on average a year. I mean, if if I'm if I'm DJing nightclubs, if I'm DJing weddings, it really like

Brian Atlasuh the how much have you if you had to average it out on a yearly basis, how like based off of how much you made the

SPEAKER_05past five years, what would you say? Um I can do like one year. My math isn't

SPEAKER_05great, but like uh like so I I DJed Croatia Yacht Week and I was paid like £8,000 for that week

SPEAKER_05maybe. It it really really depends. Sometimes I just do a nightclub and I make £1,000. Sometimes it it Yeah, it's up and down. Sorry, that's not the perfect answer,

SPEAKER_05but So how much? But I also income I also have an I also own an apartment with no mortgage in London. So I have passive

SPEAKER_05income from that as well. Okay. So the guy should make what? 15% more than me. Which is what?

Andrew WilsonIt goes up and down honestly. All right. What about you? Roll your eyes as much as you want. It's the truth. Andrew Andrew saying ballpark for me. Ballpark. Ballpark. like 100,000 a

Andrew Wilsonyear. Like I'm not asking for your exact income. Like I feel like that's what it feels like to you. I'm not we're not trying to get your exact income. We're just trying to figure out what you actually want from someone. I just feel like it's not very ladylike to say your

Brian Atlasum like say how much money you make cuz I'm a bit shy about it. Yeah, that's fine. I'm just looking for like a ballpark of what you your expectation is for a man to make. You don't need to say how much you make. You just need to give

Brian Atlasus the ballpark of what you want your man to make, which is 15% more than what I make, which that doesn't tell us anything, though. Really? Well, it it kind of does.

Andrew WilsonI'm saying that I'm not looking for someone who's Oh, right. Okay. How much you made? That wouldn't help us at all. I'm not going to tell you how much money I made. Well, then why don't I ask Exactly. I I'll

Brian Atlasjust ask some cl would you like a guy to make over uh $500,000 a year? No, it doesn't have to be that much. The bare minimum. It doesn't have to be that

Vanna Rosemuch. 200,000 that I doesn't have to be that much. 100,000. Yeah. Okay. Not even What about you? Um, well, I to me it doesn't really matter as long as somebody's working like towards something. Like, let's say like they

Vanna Rosedon't really like make that much money right now, but they're working towards making more money and like having like a business or like doing like something that they're like passionate about, then that's what I would say. Okay. What about you? Uh, probably about 60,000.

SPEAKER_05Okay. What about you? That's a trick. That's a tricky Oh my gosh, I got a little excited. Sorry. Okay. Go ahead. Um, that's a tricky question for me because I'm already married. So, um, so

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about I guess how much does Let's let's pretend like um, and I'm not saying this to be horrible or anything, but let's like let's just pretend meteorite strikes your car,

Andrew Wilsonright? Your poor husband, taken out of commission, that's the end, right? You're single, you've gone through your two-year grieving program, you're going back out in the dating market. What would you be looking for from the

SPEAKER_05financial status of whoever that partner would be? For me, there wouldn't be a number. It would be also about energy. It'd be about like I there could be a guy that just bought a small business and working

SPEAKER_05to grow that business. For me, it'd be more about the motivate motivation of what they're doing with themselves, right? If they're just going to be like a couch potato guy, like no, you know,

SPEAKER_05what if he's a couch potato, but he's really funny? Oh, that's my That's really hard because I make good money. So like listen, if he's going to make me laugh and clean the house, on a scale of

SPEAKER_051 to 10, he's like at least a 10 and hilarious and and funniness, right? Yeah. Yeah. I that I I would let him be a stayhome guy. Stay home husband. As long as he made me laugh and like rub my

SPEAKER_05feet at night. Yeah. He's going to rub your feet though. Yes. Has to be. Yeah. I got pretty feet. What the heck? Wouldn't you feel like taking advantage

SPEAKER_05though? If like he's living off of you. No, as long as there is it's more about behaviors like if he's behaving in a manner of like like he's taking

SPEAKER_05advantage of me, that's different. But if he's giving me um you know, he's taking care of the house, maybe he's helping me file things, maybe he's

SPEAKER_05helping me with my business in some way or some form. Um it'd be just different. Well, that wasn't what they said. They just said comedy. What about you? Um nothing too crazy. just something enough

Pervin/Pearlto sustain living. So, I would say like 60 to 70 because a man's value isn't determined what's inside their wallet at the end of the day. Mhm. Uh, one question going back to you. Uh, so when

Brian Atlasdid you start getting involved in s work? Me? Yeah. Escorting. S work. Sex work. Oh, I was like, I don't do that. Um, for me, four years ago. Uh, and was this like a prolonged conversation?

SPEAKER_05Like, did you bring this to your husband? Oh, yeah. He kind of he And was he on board initially or did he have he had his reservations. He definitely had his reservations. Um and we had good

SPEAKER_05conversations about it. Um and with those conversations, we made a decision that this was something I was going to do. He kind of knew though for some reason like 10 he told me like 10 years

SPEAKER_05ago he he knew some way somehow I would end up in the corn industry. May I ask what what was his initial when you brought this to him? Was it a no? How did he know that? What was it? A no. He

SPEAKER_05what was it? A no. Oh, no. No, he never said no. But at the What was his initial reaction at the beginning? Um like what? Like what are you talking about? He kind of knew like I'd been messing around

SPEAKER_05with social media. I was doing, you know, Tik Toks, Instagrams, Facebook. Um so I was just like, "Hey, I'm thinking about taking this to a different direction." And plus, he had already

SPEAKER_05knew that people in our lives had been asking me like, "Hey, what do you think about doing this? I think you'd be really great at this." So, I had other people in my life. Wait, other people in

SPEAKER_05your life? What do you mean? Um, other friends that were saying, "Hey, have you ever thought about doing Only Fans before?" Were they doing Only Fans or

Brian Atlasjust No, I had one girl one night. Go ahead. the the these were your like family friends. What do Well, they're

SPEAKER_05more like friends from like high school and friends from my previous work life and current work life and Yeah. Yeah. But it's okay. Some of your friends were trying to get you to do Only Fans. Well,

Brian Atlasthey were talking to me. They're like, "Have you ever thought about doing it?" But so when you first brought the conversation to your husband, what was the period of time that elapsed between the first conversation and you like okay

SPEAKER_05you started making content? Probably I would say let's see so this is bringing up February, March, April, May probably about 2 3 months. Okay. And remind me

SPEAKER_05what was his initial response? Well, he was just kind of like like like I said, he already kind of knew it was being planted in my life. So, he wasn't against you said 10 years ago when you

SPEAKER_05brought it up to him recently. He knew that in that how do you say that? In that current time, he knew that people in our lives

SPEAKER_05were talking to me about doing it, right? So, let's let's say within a six-month period of time, he knew that other people were asking me. He knew that the seed was planted in my head.

SPEAKER_05So, we had had conversations about it, you know. But go ahead. So, but okay, that initial conversation,

SPEAKER_05was he on board? Where where was he? He wasn't against it at all. He was just kind of like, okay, like how's it going to work? How does this operate? You

SPEAKER_05know, what are you going to be doing? And it it was multiple conversations. It just wasn't one conversation. Was there any sense from you that he that you sensed he didn't want you to do it? Um,

SPEAKER_05I mean like of course there was reservations and conversations that had to happen in communication between me and him, but he never once was like, "No, you can't do this. I don't want you

Brian Atlasdoing this." That that leads me to my next question. Mhm. Had he said either initially or in one of these follow-up conversations,

SPEAKER_05I don't want you to do this and that was his final position on it. How would that have gone? Um, can I I'm going to be honest. I don't

SPEAKER_05think it would have went over very well with me. Yeah, I was going to do it. But expand on that. Oh, you Okay. But you were going to do it. But I was being respectful. I was having conversations with him and you talking. How many

Brian Atlasconversations did you have with him? Oh, we've been conversating, like I said, 3 months before I even opened my Only Fans. Okay. But it sounds to me like he was not on board with it from the get-go. Well, he wasn't against But you

Brian Atlaswere exerting pressure and influence to get him to accept it. Because perhaps you could paint a picture for me. If he had told you, "Don't do it." that you seem to be indicating there

SPEAKER_05would be major issues in the relationship. Would you have divorced him? Um, I don't know if I would divorce him. Um, I mean, that would be having to be a conversation that we'd have. But

SPEAKER_05throughout my life and 24 years, I've sacrificed a lot of things for my marriage and my family. And this one I just I wasn't going to sacrifice this time. Can I ask uh you do boy girl

SPEAKER_05content, right? I do do boy content. Do you do boy girl content with him? Um, we do we have some videos but priority not

Brian Atlashim. So wait, hold on. You do content with other men. I do. Wait, this is a new development. Hold on.

Brian AtlasUm, how many are you in the traditional adult content space or is this just through OAF? Oh, what do you mean? Like Well, like the like in uh what's the place in Los Angeles? Uh, San Bern

Brian AtlasBernard. Is that where they'd shoot all the like Do you do traditional? Do I do professional? Prof. Yeah, professional. Yeah, I do professional. And question. Uh, you've been married for 24 years,

SPEAKER_05correct? Have you been monogamous throughout the course of your 24 year marriage? Oh, no. Him and I have had multiple threesomes and other partners.

SPEAKER_05Sorry, daughter. Um, but so at the beginning, was it monogamous? Um, I'd probably say the first um maybe 10

Brian Atlasyears. The first 10 years. Okay. Whose idea was it to open up the relationship? That would be me. Okay. And I was the instigator with that one. Were there now

Brian Atlasjust not accusing you of anything, but yeah. Had you been was there any infidelity prior to your desire to open up the relationship? Honestly, yes.

Brian AtlasOkay. He's aware of that. On your part or on his part? On my part. Okay. What uh so you were monog monogous for 10 years. How soon into the marriage did you start uh seeing other men? I guess

SPEAKER_05so. Um I would say about 12 years into the relationship. Oh 12. Yeah. 11 12 years. So about 2011. You said you

SPEAKER_05opened up the relationship. So let's see. 10 years in. So 2010 is when we go to Vegas, right? 2011 2012.

Brian AtlasSo I'd probably say 2013 is when we opened the relationship to get my time right. But there was infidelity on your part prior to you opening the relationship? Yes. Okay. And you

SPEAKER_05disclosed had you disclosed to him about the infidelity or uh we had when we um came to the decision to stay together.

SPEAKER_05But we weren't we were not separating due to my you know being with other people. We were separating for other reasons. Okay. So when you opened up the relationship there had been some

Brian Atlasinfidelity up until that point. Can you tell me though uh when you guys opened it up was he seeing

Brian Atlaslike has he seen other women? No. It's more me bringing other women home. Oh. So you guys would have threesomes. Mhm. When you were uh cheating on him, were

Brian Atlasyou was it with women, men, or both? When I was cheating on him, well, you said there was infidelity prior to you guys opening up the relationship? It was male. It was what? It was a male. One

Brian Atlasmale. Okay. And was this like a one-time thing or was it ongoing? This was a ongoing affair. Ongoing. Okay. And then was that the the pretext or reason for you wanting to open it up because

SPEAKER_05there's maybe a sense of guilt related to the infidelity and you felt like I didn't have any guilt. We were not I didn't have any guilt towards the affair that I had. Why is that? Um I mean we were just in a really rough time and

SPEAKER_05I'll be honest with you, I didn't think our marriage was going to survive nor did at that time I wanted my marriage to survive. Um so um and this is just being completely honest here you know

SPEAKER_05covering. Sure. I appreciate the honesty. So um in my mental space um I was done with my marriage. I was ready to move on. Um and I was moving on not

SPEAKER_05only mentally but physically trying to figure out how I could get out of the the marriage completely at that time. Okay. Um, so you opened up the

Brian Atlasrelationship but did he want the I know the relationship that or the marriage was on the rocks, but did he want to open up

SPEAKER_05the marriage? I mean, you know, I don't I' I'd say honestly probably not. You know, he is

SPEAKER_05satisfied with just having me. Um, I have always been very bisexual and I've always been a very sexual individual and I think that's why he knew prior to me

SPEAKER_05even doing this that there was a potential chance I would end up some way somehow doing corn. Um, so for me I just I really enjoy having a man and a and

Brian Atlasyou know a female sexual preference. While you guys were married, perhaps at the earlier portions of your marriage, were you stay at home

SPEAKER_05and was he working? Um, so um here we go. So I would say the first three years um I was a

SPEAKER_05stay-at-home mom. He worked and then it went from the next five, six years like he was a stay-at-home dad. I worked and

SPEAKER_05then it went kind of to us both working. um while the kids went to school, when the kids were completely off in school

Brian Atlasfull- time. Okay. Mhm. Um I guess though, bringing it back, uh you said there was some shaky periods of

SPEAKER_05your marriage, but that was what 14 years ago. That was um 2010 is when I left. Okay. 14 15 years ago. Mhm.

Brian AtlasYou guys obviously have remained married though, so you guys I assume reconciled your issues. Yeah. And that happened.

SPEAKER_05Um I when was the is it better? I guess I don't know the exact date or like year when I lived in Vegas Vegas. I mean 24

SPEAKER_05years is a long time in uh timeline. Um, I don't know. Like, we just started building our friendship again and

SPEAKER_05building our friendship and then like Yeah. And then I I think that when people live together for so long, like it's hard not to

SPEAKER_05reconcile. What's the word? I don't even know how to say the word. But, you know, you you're like, "Hey, this has happened. This has happened. This has happened." And, you know, moved on. Okay. And then just

Brian Atlasbringing it back to my initial point, uh, you started doing, um, OAF, you're doing content with other men. You're sleeping

SPEAKER_05with other men for content, not just for fun, I guess. Mhm. He's okay with this. Oh, yeah. I mean, I like like we've had

SPEAKER_05this conversation, right? I don't like where my heart is today like I have no interest in in dating somebody or getting emotionally attached to them in

SPEAKER_05any way, shape or form. When I have these encounters, it is just sex. And a lot of the time it's it's, you know, monetized, right? We're having we're creating a video so that we can sell the video. I don't have an emotional

SPEAKER_05attachment to them at all. Some of them are really great friends, but I'm not going to I'm not going to leave my husband for them. Me and my husband have a very strong relationship now. So going

Brian Atlasback to the question though, would you if your husband had said, "I don't want you." The whole the relationship being the answer would be no. the whole

Brian Atlasrelationship being opened up or the marriage opening up kind of muddies the water a little bit because there was already prior to you doing Only Fans, there's this component of

Brian Atlaswe were already having sex together with other Oh, he was sleeping with other women with me. Okay. But then you would he does he sleep with men? No. No. But he'll have

Brian Atlasdevil's threesomes with you. Yeah. So there'll be another girl. You'll be So it's girl guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy guy um yeah so he's had threesomes with me with another male

SPEAKER_05are you feeling a bit traumatized right now he knows um so wait uh so he's does he has he ever done like

SPEAKER_05cuck stuff like he watches in the corner so he is my biggest fan and he really enjoys my videos and I really think that

SPEAKER_05this was a kink that kind of progressed over the development of my career. Um, but we found that he really does enjoy watching my videos while I do

Brian Atlasactivities. Um, just to be clear, just to make it blunt, he enjoys watching your videos of you having sex with other

SPEAKER_05men while I perform activities. Having sex with other men? No. On him. Oh. Oh, god. I was trying to be All right. Wait, hang on. Hang on. No, I'm not. I just

Andrew Wilsonwant to clarify this. You're performing sex acts on him while he's watching you perform sex acts on other people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05On the phone. Yeah. Wait, he he watch but he's he's not he's not the guy to like sit there in the corner and like

SPEAKER_05like watch somebody like have sex with me and not participate. You know what I'm saying? like he wants to participate, so I wouldn't I wouldn't categorize him as

Andrew Wilsona cook. I I know it's complicated. I literally Well, wait, hang on, hang on. But he does like watching other men doing things with you while he's doing

Brian Atlasthings with you. Yeah, that would be definitionally cuckold. Like on his phone. So, okay, he's having sex with you on his phone. He's watching a video

SPEAKER_05of you having sex with other men. It's really hot. Like this is like intense sex. Like crazy wild sex. Excuse me. Literally. That's [ __ ] disgusting.

Brian AtlasWait. Okay. Fine. Who said that? You No, it it was the soundboard. Okay. Wait. So, okay. He's like me. He's like, don't

Brian Atlasblame me. So, wait. Would if he had said, "No, you're not going to do Only Fans." Would it have been been the end of the marriage? Would you have divorced him? Well, I would have said

Brian AtlasOh, yeah. Yeah. I I mean I'm gonna be honest like I was going I if he wanted if he wanted to leave he could leave if he wanted to leave if he wanted. Sure. So if he put his foot down you would

Brian Atlashave said well we've talked about it. I don't really I've heard you out but I don't care what you think. I'm going to do it anyways.

SPEAKER_05I I can't down 24 years of experience. But during the experiences that we've had, this was this one time where I was like, this isn't something I'm not

Brian Atlaswilling to sacrifice for. So, you one one two two more last things. No problem. So, you wouldn't have divorced him, but you would have if he wanted to leave. If it was such a deal breaker for

Brian Atlashim, he would have divorced you, I guess. Okay. It's And then, uh, I guess my final thought on this just my and then I'll pass it over to Andrew. public

Brian Atlasservice announcement to the men watching. Uh if your wife one wants to open up the relationship, no. And then if she wants to start doing uh only fans

Brian Atlasor other kind of sex work, no. That's a divorce. That's a good It's over. It's over. I mean, you honestly,

Brian Atlaseven if she brings it up, but then you like convince her not to do that [ __ ] you should probably still get the divorce. the relationship's over once she's breached the conversation of open relationship. Even if like you guys sit

Brian Atlasdown and you're, you know, you're like, "No, I want you I want us to stay monogous." And she's like, "Well, I guess." Okay. No, it's over. If she even if if she even I don't even know if she Google searches that [ __ ] You have to

Brian Atlasdivorce. How do open not a Google search? Any sort of hint that she wants an open relationship or she's going to have a conversation with you. Instant

SPEAKER_05divorce. She wants to do Only Fans. Instant divorce. I disagree. I I have so many friends who are in happily married

SPEAKER_05relationships that are swingingers and they have very healthy marriages. Look, that's not for everybody. Prescriptively, what the advice I would

Brian Atlasgive to men is it is unacceptable for your girlfriend or wife to be having sex with another man. That is the bare minimum of just having any sort of

Brian Atlascoherent reasonable standard for your partner. They should not be having sexual intercourse carnal knowledge with another man. That's an L for you. If she wants to open the relationship, she

Brian Atlaswants to do, it's a wrap. Back to the streets she goes. Hold on. Uh, she belongs to the streets. Back to the streets. Look, if you're dealing with a chick that's already involved in that

Brian Atlas[ __ ] you're that's on you. But if she if your relationship is monogous and she's not doing OAF and she's moving in that direction, that is the end of the relationship. If you have any

Anya Matusevichselfrespect as a man, uh you have something quick then and I'm passing it off to Andrew. Go ahead. Yeah, for sure. So, it sounds like you, not to accuse you of anything, but it sounds like you really pressured him into both of these

Anya Matusevichdecisions. Do you think he holds any resentment against you long term over this? This is something that I I keep in mind and why I stay single because I wouldn't want to force a partner into being okay

Anya Matusevichwith something that I do and then hold resent me hold resentment against me for it force them. Yeah. I didn't force him to do anything. I gave him the opportunity because they had if he

Vanna Rosewanted to if because they had a pretty rough relationship growing up like in general. So it was like if he wanted to stay like that was his choice. You know what I mean? because he obviously wasn't doing the things that he needed to be

Anya Matusevichdoing as a man. And wait, just to clarify, is that's your biological father, right? Correct. Yes. This is my father. So, okay. So, don't you think there was any incentive for him to be like, well,

Anya MatusevichI still want to be, you know, there with my daughter. There's this pressure that I have to stay with her. I have a child, yada yada yada. I I guess I'll let her do this just because I want to see my kids are grown.

Vanna RoseSee, and the thing is is my dad was never like that. Like my mom did everything for us, you know, like my dad was there and stuff, but my mom was the one that was really did everything for us. So, but it's true. Like, but if we're going to like I know, but he did

Vanna Rosedo stuff for us though. He was there. But I'm just saying, for example, for the conversation of do you feel like you were pressuring him that he did it for us? I don't think he did it for us. He did it because he wanted to be with her,

SPEAKER_05not for us. Cuz it was there's complications in in marriage with any marriage, especially a 24-year marriage. That's a very long time. Um there is so

SPEAKER_05many things to contribute and this was just I if he wanted to leave he he was more than welcome to leave or he could stay and we could work it out with what I was doing but there definitely wasn't

SPEAKER_05any pressure and people might think I'm a a bee and I really don't care. I really really don't. But I do love having the conversation helping people understand that perspective. I don't think it's fair to say there was no pressure over on this hand. Oh, no.

Anya MatusevichThere was there's definitely pressure around it. I'm not I'm not saying you tied him down. You're like, you're staying here. But there's definitely an emotional a familial pressure around staying with your wife. Well, when I was

Vanna Roselike in like third grade, my mom had left my dad and took me and we left. And so, the reason why they were, you know, they they got back together for the kids and for stuff like that. So, to be honest with you, like it was already like to the point where it wasn't

Vanna Roseexactly like a relationship is already supposed to be like. So, it was kind of like it wasn't like they were like doing like, you know, it was different. It was it was different than that. Well, I have a I wanted to read ahead very quickly. I

Andrew Wilsonwanted to read this to you. This was a super chat I got on my end that summarizes a lot of what people are thinking right now hearing this story. This comes in from Mikey and he says, "My husband is great. I cheated on him.

Andrew WilsonI let him watch me sleep with our friends. I would have divorced him if he didn't let me do Only Fans. He's amazing." Right? That's that kind of summarizes I think the thoughts of a lot

Andrew Wilsonof people right now who are kind of listening to this tale. Um like here I'll just give you I'll give you another example of this why this is so foreign

Andrew Wilsonto me. Mhm. So if one of my daughters for instance was ever bad mouthing me in public ever talking like my wife would

Andrew Wilsonre lean over doesn't matter if 25 35 my wife would lean over and smack her across the mouth you know you ever talk about your dad like that again I'll rip your heart right she would never in a

Andrew Wilsonmillion years right but this kind of almost flagrant right like um your daughter's there and she just kind of runs her old man down and I'm not running him I'm just Yeah, you're kind of you're kind of running him down. How?

Vanna RoseI'm just saying that at the end of the day like there was other things that my mom was going to do like modeling and stuff like that and my dad because of his jeal like being jealous and stuff like that caused us to not be able to have a different life that we were

Vanna Rosesupposed to have. So, for example, like she's trying to make something for us that he doesn't want other men to [ __ ] his wife. Yeah. No, she's not even she's not talking about she's talking about other

Vanna Roseopportunities like modeling cuz she was she was doing runway stuff. She was managing a company and my dad was so jealous that she had to leave and go do these things trying to be a productive responsible woman trying to

Vanna Rosemake something for her family and my father was like jealous about those things and so it kind of to the point where my mom had to stop doing that. Wouldn't you want your dad to to uh want

Andrew Wilsonyour wife his your mom all to himself not to share her with any other men? They're not going to understand because they don't know the history. Was it SFW modeling or NSFW modeling? It was she

Vanna Rosewas doing the makeup and stuff. She was until four years ago. I had nothing to do with the corn industry. No, this was when I was younger. She was doing actual things for actual projects for runway

Vanna Roseand things like that. And because my mom had to go stay with the guy that was married, like he wouldn't let her, he wanted to like stand there and be there and he like ruined that. So basically,

Vanna Rosebut he wasn't drive to do something more for us. You know what I mean? So it was like my mom was trying to do all this. My wife go stay with some guy so she can go be a model. Like no, but that's not that's not what it is. They're not going

Vanna Roseto understand. She wasn't modeling. She was running models shows like she was doing the runway like getting them dressed doing the stuff like doing productive things like that working with the guy that was running it all and he

Vanna Rosewas jealous that she was trying to work just because he was a man and we weren't in the same hotel. They weren't. It was just the fact that he she was doing something that he wasn't allowed to do too. That was the problem. So I'm not

Vanna Rosesaying that like that he didn't do anything. Yes, he was there. I love him so much. I'm thankful for everything that he's done for me. But at the end of the day, like my mom deserves also to be able to make something for her family.

Vanna RoseAnd if he's not doing that, then like he can't stop her from doing that because someone has to do it. Yeah. I mean, I think a husband can do that. I think a husband has the authority to absolutely

Andrew Wilsonsay whether he's comfortable with or not comfortable with when it comes to the work of his wife. I think wives I think wives do that all the time. So, I'll give you an example. Um, there's a lot of men out there who work very dangerous jobs. And there's

Andrew Wilsonbeen times where I've seen actual grateful women. I go to them and say, "Listen, sweetheart, the job that you're doing is extremely dangerous, and I just want you to come home. So, I want you to switch occupations because I I literally want you to come home. I need you to

Andrew Wilsoncome home. I adore you." But the job that he she was doing wasn't dangerous. That's not the point. The point is is that it's a matter of uh responding to the preference of the partner. Also understanding that people have

Andrew Wilsonboundaries, right? It's not that the guy wants to quit being a firefighter being a fire. Hang on, hang on. Maybe he loves being a firefighter. Let's say he loves being a firefighter, but the wife comes to him and is like, "Look, I I

Andrew Wilsonneed you to come home at the end of the day. I want you to switch occupations, even if you love being a firefighter." This happens all the time. And men will usually go, "Okay." They'll accommodate a switch in occupations even for something they love to accommodate their

Vanna Rosewomen. I just don't ever see that vice versa. Okay. It just Honey, it's fine. Yeah. Like I said in the beginning of the podcast, everybody has their own opinions. Fair. That's fair. I don't

SPEAKER_05know the history, but I'm just saying that um and and I respect that and I totally respect your opinion, but like I just I know what I've sacrificed and

SPEAKER_05what I've given and what I've put in over and over and over and over again. And this was just and and maybe I'm I'm 44 years old now. My kids are grown, right? Most of them are out of the

SPEAKER_05house, right? And so this was point of my time where I'm making this decision. This is what I'm doing, right? And like I said, I I love my husband and if he wants to stay with me, he can. But if he

SPEAKER_05doesn't want to stay with me, I'm okay with that. You're okay if your husband didn't want to stay with you? I'm not here to control anybody, right? And if that's something that somebody doesn't want to

SPEAKER_05choose to be in my life, right? I I I'm I'm not here to control anybody's life anymore. You know, maybe when I was and no take offense of this ladies in your 20s, but in my in my 20s, I'm at a point

SPEAKER_05where my life, right, I'm not begging anybody this day and I'm not begging anybody to accept my decisions that the things that I'm I'm doing like if you

SPEAKER_05don't want to get on board and you don't like it, that's okay. I'm okay with that. Right. Actually, I am actually having some difficulty wrapping my head around this. I mean, I've been I haven't

Andrew Wilsonbeen married quite as long as you, but I've been married for an awful long time. And if I think if I said to my wife, um, you know, I just don't really care if you stay or you go. Like I I

Andrew Wilsondon't I don't think that she would see that as a my husband loves me very much type of thing to be honest with you. I don't think that she would see it that way. Yeah. I'm just not. People see

Vanna Rosethings differently. Yeah. It It's just It's We live completely different lives, right? And completely different lifestyles. Exactly. And you can't I I can't expect someone to understand things like that. And then I can't understand a lot of things that other people are going, you know? So, it's

Vanna Roselike it just sometimes when you're not in that predicament in your life, like you can't really understand what is actually going on. But everybody has the right to their own opinions. That's for sure. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonYeah. I mean, I understand we all have a right to an opinion. I'm so but I'm trying to understand the view, right? So I'm actually trying to understand it from your perspective, not just from mine. Yeah. So the way that I'm going to do that is I'm going to obviously relate

Andrew Wilsonit to my own experiences like you are, so I can try to understand where it is that you're coming from. But if if somebody came to you, a friend of yours came to you who was a man and said, "You

Vanna Roseknow, I don't really give a [ __ ] if my wife leaves or she stays, would you think in your head, well, this is a man who adors his wife?" Well, if they've had experiences in life, like 20 years of being together,

SPEAKER_05well, you don't know all the past, you don't know everything, you don't know all of I just I wouldn't know because it's not that I don't love my husband. I love my husband. I I really really do.

SPEAKER_05But I love what I do. I genuinely love what I do. And and maybe it is my kids are growing. I've raised my kids. My kids are out of the house. They're doing their own thing. I have grandkids that are out there in the world, right? And

SPEAKER_05this is where like I'm like, "Okay, what am I going to do next, right? And I love what I do, right? And I'm just because somebody doesn't want me to do that, I should make the decision that I'm not

SPEAKER_05going to pursue the the the thing that I'm doing because I love it and I enjoy it because somebody said that I shouldn't do it. Can I get a point of clarity? You said you opened your

Anya Matusevichrelationship um and you did say that you do have relations with other men, just you two. Does he have other relation relations with other women just himself?

SPEAKER_05No, he chooses not to. He knows that he has he knows that he has like if he came and said, "Honey, I'm going to go meet with this girl." Like all that kind of stuff, I I would be okay with that. It

SPEAKER_05would be hypocritical of me not to be okay with that, you know? So, I'm not going to but I'm not going to I'm not going to be like, "Oh, no, you can't do

SPEAKER_05that." You know, no. I'm be like, "Have fun. Be safe." Did you guys talk about this before you got married? Oh, no. Honey, we met I was 19 years old. I met

SPEAKER_05in January 14th of 2000 and we were married August 10th of 2000. So So there was no conversation there. You guys did you guys expected it to just be you two?

Vanna RoseOh no, we got married because I was pregnant. Yeah, that's the only reason it was. Yeah, it was because my older brother, he's a year 1 month and 10 days older than me. We're like technically Irish twins. She got pregnant with with him. She didn't even know him for that

Vanna Roselong. So, it was like it was kind of like they were just making things happen like and then they ended up, you know, wanting to raise us and stuff like that. Like they didn't really even know each other for that long to begin with to

Vanna Rosehave conversations like that. Yeah. Cuz everything happened so quickly. Yeah. We're literally I was 3 months he has been there. He's a great dad. But I'm just saying like what I mean by that is

Vanna Roselike he has no right to tell my mom basically what she can or cannot do just because of the fact that my mom has done everything that she can do and it would have been just selfish from all the other things that's happened in the past

Vanna Rosefrom other things that we could have been doing right now instead of this. Is your dad supportive of your o? Yeah. Yeah. Well then a great dad. Yeah. I

SPEAKER_05don't think he's a great dad anyway. So well that would be my my view on it. I think he's seen like what we how hard we work, how much fun we actually have,

SPEAKER_05how we impact people. And we don't just impact people on a sexual level. We also do social media safer work. And we do a lot we do a lot of positivity out there.

Vanna RoseSo it's not just 80% of my content is safe for work. 20% of my content is not safe for work. And he knows that I'm not doing this to do this forever. He knows that I'm doing this because I'm trying to be able to do the money to be able to

Vanna Rosestart my, you know, my business, to go to school, to be able to have bigger things. Like, this isn't the long term. Like, I'm not expecting to do this for the rest of my life. I'm expecting for this to be able to make something of other things so that I can actually

Vanna Rosefocus on those things instead of having to work a 9 to5, not making anything, struggling to survive, trying to then go to school and make something of my life and for my children. There are millions

Andrew Wilsonand millions and millions and hundreds of millions and actually billions of young women who go to school and work their way through without ever selling a single nude, without ever sucking a

Andrew Wilsonsingle dick, without ever without ever doing any of that. There's there's literally over a billion, right, who are alive who are alive who are alive right now at least in that age bracket probably around a billion. And it's

Andrew Wilsonlike, but a lot of those people, how how is it how is it that this idea of like I need money? It's like, well, everybody needs money. Everybody needs money. But me as a father, I think, would I like I

Andrew Wilsoncan't control my adult children. I can't do anything about the choices that they make ultimately except to weigh in. That's true. There's nothing I can do. It's out of my hands except to put whatever pressure I can, which is very little in modernity, right? I can't go

Andrew Wilsonkick in the door and drag them out whatever stupid thing they're doing. even though sometimes I would probably prefer to uh but I would never support those endeavors. I would never be like I am here to support what it is that

SPEAKER_05you're doing. Uh especially when it came to something like that, you know, that doesn't that doesn't sound to me like a typical father would think. If your daughter came to you and said that she was doing this, what what would you do?

SPEAKER_05Would you disown her or would you somehow find out a way to to support her? If if you're if you're doing something which is this horrific from at least from my view, especially a

Andrew WilsonChristian view, it's not that I would stop loving my my kids. I that I don't even think that would be possible. Exactly. Right. But that doesn't mean that I would ever enable such behavior and I would love to be known not only do

Andrew WilsonI not support this, but I'm going to apply as much pressure as I possibly can within within, you know, the confines and boundaries which are reasonable to make it known that I'm not going to

Andrew Wilsonsupport this behavior. And if that includes me distancing myself, I think actually that's what good parenting is. Sometimes putting down really staunch tough boundaries, right? Because kids also like to [ __ ] test, don't they? You

Andrew Wilsonknow that they love to [ __ ] test. It's one of their favorite things to do. And one of the things that happens when they [ __ ] test, right, and they want to have a a game of the wills against an old

Andrew Wilsonstubborn man like myself, well, I'm going to win in the end, right? I'm going to win in the end. So the thing is is like look, I don't think that that is ultimately what good fathers would do. I don't think good fathers would uh would

Andrew Wilsonnot apply that type of pressure. I don't I I mean it sounds to me almost like the guy's a pimp in a way, right? He is not. He's not in any way, shape, or form of that. Well, I mean, he's is he

SPEAKER_05benefiting from you sleeping with other people? Oh, yeah. But he's not choosing who I'm being with and when I'm with. I manage my business 100% myself. Yeah. Maybe he's not setting it up for you.

Andrew WilsonNo, you know, but but still with my business, you know what I mean? I mean, it's maybe it's not it's not accurate to say pimp, but it's something that sounds

Brian Atlasvery akin to pimping. Something very closely related to that. Yeah. So, just saying just my just my two cents on it. We have some chats coming

Brian Atlasthrough that we are going to read. We have pasty George. If you have a kid or kids, your priority is the family and the parent or parents should move to an area that is affordable and good for the children's upbringing. That's just my

Brian Atlasopinion though. I believe that was in response to you, Crystal. We have uh Pacy George, do appreciate your message. Thank you so much, man. Metro Matt, it's been a minute. Good to see you, man. This might be the most disgusting

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