100 Body Count By 19?! She CHEATED On Fiancé W/ His BEST Friend? ØF Mom/Daughter? | Dating Talk #247

Date: 2025-06-16

Duration: 7h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAnya Matusevich >

CCrystal (Sociology)>

PPervin/Pearl >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Crystal (Sociology)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Pervin/Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_06Felicity Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Anya Matusevich(guest)

SPEAKER_14Vanna Rose(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces episode with remote Andrew Wilson

Topics Discussed

Episode with Andrew Wilson remote

Andrew Wilson joins remotely. Multiple guests.

Transcript

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Vanna Roseliterally talking and you're talking over me. So, I give you the time to speak and you can't give me the time to speak. Yeah. Let her let her let her respond. Let her respond. That's fair. You're sitting here saying I You're like I don't do Only Fans cuz I have morals.

Vanna RoseYou're stating that everyone else's morals don't matter. You're not saying that's my morals, so I don't do it. I wouldn't have said anything if you were like, well, those are my morals. I would have been like, okay, that's understandable, but you're like, I have

Vanna Rosemorals, so that's an attack. It's not an attack to anyone. Those are my morals. I'm just saying it's the way that you stated it. So maybe just like if you stated it differently, it would have came across differently. Anyway, I have

Vanna Rosemorals that are done talking about this. Those are my morals and I cuz literally every time I'm talking you interrupt me and then you get mad about me interrupting you. Hang on. Hang on. To be fair, she she did let you finish that

Andrew Wilsonlast point. That is the case. Those are my I see I see you got your hand up. You guys don't have to raise your hand. It's only if the table gets so like insane with cross talk that's kind of when I'll break it

Andrew Wilsonup. But I mean for the most part that hasn't been happening. It just kind of happened a little bit there. Right. You guys are more than more than welcome to engage with each other. It's just occasionally you can imagine what it what it's like for the listener if you got six people talking at once. They

Anya Matusevichcan't hear anything. Right. I just want don't want to talk over people but earlier we were talking about how the motheraughter dynamic of you know the difficulty of OAF and influencing and you wouldn't want your parent or your

Anya Matusevichdaughter going through that. And I had mentioned hate and judgment and you said that you had learned how to deal with the hate and judgment. She could call me a million different words. She could tell me I'm nasty. She could tell me I'm a horrible person. It doesn't affect me

Anya Matusevichone bit. I get those DMs every single day. Um, you seem to be very offended by it. No, this is just my reaction to it. This is my response to the statement. Do you get like hate comments or offensive

Vanna Rosecomments on the internet? Yeah, but it's like it's not like directly like on the internet it's different. Like people are behind a screen. Like that's completely different. Respond to them and interact. No, I don't. Okay. So, but you keep

Vanna Rosedoing what you do, right? Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, people are going to have opinions. It's fine. Yeah. I just It was just the way it was stated without felt like an attack. So, that's how I feel. But that was it because it was the way that things were stated and it could

Vanna Rosehave been stated differently. But, I'm not like offended or anything like it was just my reaction because we're on a podcast talking so I'm supposed to have something to say back to that. I'm not supposed to just keep my mouth quiet. I think it was the way that she worded it.

Pervin/PearlShe should have said personal morals. Exactly. instead of like I have morals empathize with I am you literally said oh at least I can sell it or some notion of along those lines you were yeah that

SPEAKER_05was criticizing me did I sit there and get offended by it I don't jud both both of you because then you were talking I don't know what that comment

Pervin/Pearlwas about their vagina or something like that she can sell it at least I can sell it over it was you being at least I can sell it she that at least we can sell it like perceiving it saying

Pervin/Pearllike oh I don't have the capability to sell my [ __ ] or something I could if I wanted to I just choose not to hence the fact that those are my opinions I did not bash her I did not bash her I didn't

Pervin/Pearleven bash you two so it was just my opinions morally I don't find that to be okay I would not do it I would not want my daughter to do it and so on so forth

Pervin/PearlI do not bash I do not judge others who do so you do you to each their own. That see the way you stated it there that makes a lot more sense. See that is understandable. Yeah. It was the tone.

Andrew WilsonYes. In the way that you said it. It was the wrong tone. Got to use got to use the Got to use that right tone, you know. And wording. If you don't have the right tone, the tone police are going to

Pervin/Pearlcome in there and that's going to be the end of it. Yeah. Because too sensitive. Like what am I going to do? like adjust my tone and the way that I'm stating it. Like I said something about myself

SPEAKER_05morally. Sorry that you perceived it wrong. Well, for someone so well educated, I would have thought that you'd be able to articulate yourself a little bit more eloquently to the point where you don't hurt people's feelings. I didn't hurt her feelings. She

Pervin/Pearlperceived it to a way that hurt her feelings. Blaming her perceiving it incorrectly. I didn't personally attack her or You didn't articulate yourself in a kind way. did not personally attack

Felicity Hughesher or anyone on here. Okay. I think it's also just her tone, the way she talks. Like you have quite a I guess monotone way of speaking and as do I. Sometimes people take what I say

Andrew Wilsonoffensively, even if it was meant to be taken away. Softly spoken and sweet, darling. I don't think it's the same. I wouldn't take it offensively. Well, no. I'm just using it as an example. Like Yeah, but chair I mean chair three like you're kind of cheating because you have

Andrew Wilsonthe British accent, right? So what did you say? Isn't that cheating? Yeah. Isn't that cheating? Like with the toner. Oh, 100%. Yeah, it's 100% cheating. So, I don't even feel like this is totally cheating. Tone is going

Andrew Wilsonto You can't just come in with the British accent and be like, "Well, I have the right tone. I have the also." Of course you do. You have a British accent. I've got a degree in Latin and I love words. So, it's not just because of my accent. See, and I can say that I

Vanna Roseapologize for if I felt that if I had said something like that, but I just felt like the way that you were coming at me felt like an attack because of the not me specifically, but in general for the girls, cuz I back up my girls that are doing that because it is a tough

Vanna Rosething. And for someone to just be like, I don't do it because I have morals. It's like that's not really fair. So, I can apologize for my actions, but I just didn't like the way that you said it was

SPEAKER_05not really respectful towards the women that do do that because that is my life. Well, it's not just women, it's women, it's couples there. I know a lot of couples who are husband and wife that

SPEAKER_05does this industry together. Um, there are men that do this industry together that do this industry just themselves, you know. So when you're like don't have morals, I mean that's to every single

Pervin/Pearlperson that is, you know, capitalizing on this industry. Yes. Yeah. To each their own. Did I sit there and bash any of you guys? Did I sit

SPEAKER_05there and bash the industry? I did not. I did not. I think we we declared it was just more about the tone. But I I have to say this like after this conversation

SPEAKER_05and after like talking and communicating like now I can understand. Yeah, now I understand. I think that first like 5 minutes was a little Honestly, she's way nicer than me. I would have just straight up been like, "You're all a

SPEAKER_05bunch of [ __ ] immoral degenerate skunk." But that's like that's just me, though. That's what Andrew, don't call me a moral degenerate.

Andrew WilsonYou have a He's not in the building right now. So, building I would still say moral scout. I promise. I've done it to many people who are in the building. But I mean

Andrew Wilsonthat's just it, you know, it's just me, you know, I'm doing me, right? I'm doing me and you do you, boom, and other people as well, you know, like uh, you know, you do you and I'll do me. That's how it's supposed to work, right? Yeah.

Vanna RoseExactly. Backle. Everybody has different lives and everyone like no one knows exactly what people have been through. How were you then? And why things have came into their life like that because some people had different lives where like that's something that they have to

Vanna Rosedo in a point. So it's like I feel like just people should understand everybody's feelings and things about those situation. Can I ask you um when you got

Anya Matusevichinto this industry was there any like is there or was there any part of you that feels anything bad about it because as I said like I don't feel shame about it. You could say anything you want to me

Anya Matusevichbut I definitely understand that there's parts about it that are bad. There's parts about it that influence society that are bad. There's parts of it that are bad for me. Um, I I understand that and I fully take responsibility over

Vanna Rosethat, but I feel like and so is the gasoline industry, but we need gas to make the world go around. I feel like there's parts bad in anything that you do. Like anything that you do, there's something bad that could be bad in something that you do. You know what I

Vanna Rosemean? Like there's like not everything's always perfect. I'm not saying that that's not correct cuz that is true. You know, it's like I'm not like but I feel like a lot of things like anything that you do sometimes it could just be a bad point of something like you know like even like like for example doctors like

Vanna Rosenot all doctors are actually trying to help. It's a lot of times about the money. It's a lot of times about the money. You know I've gone to a doctors where they've literally scammed me when they could have helped me. You know what I mean? Like that's not always good feeling. That's not always something

SPEAKER_05that should be okay. For me it was really hard. Beautiful symphony right now. But no, I I I totally get what you're saying. I do hear you

SPEAKER_05though. I I do get what you're saying. Um Yeah. Because I think we have to be self-aware. You know what I mean? Yeah. 100%. I don't think I'm like doing charity work over here. You know what I mean? And and and that's why I I made

SPEAKER_05the comment about like the gas industry is because like we need it. It's essential, right? Wait, hold on. Wait. So are you I don't think the corn industry is essential. Are you drawing a

Brian Atlascomparison that uh the adult content industry is is essential in the same way that oil like oil refinery is essential?

SPEAKER_05No. So okay. So it's not like apples and apples here. You know what I mean? I get that they're different. But okay, how about this simple question? But sex work has been around longer than the gasoline

SPEAKER_05industry. Is the adult content industry essential? Is it essential? Is it Are you like something like Only Fans? It is not essential. Right. Let's not go by CO

SPEAKER_05standards cuz co standards were crazy. But but is the sex industry always been something that's always been? Even if it was secret down, you know, alleys and

Andrew Wilsonall these these things. Yes. It it's always been. Yeah. But so has killing for hire. Yeah, I I agree with that too. So just making the appeal to history and saying because this thing has always

Andrew Wilsonbeen part of human behavior for some people that that means it can't be regulated. You'd have to make the same follow that logic the same way. And I do think the industry needs to be regulated the human experience too. Then you

SPEAKER_05wouldn't advocate people do that, right? Guys, I have a question. Um, if you guys weren't in Only Fans, do you have any other kind of like talent or anything

Vanna Roseelse that you could do? Like I'm going to go to fashion school. I've already Yes, I've already put put everything in. I'm waiting for the next year because it's summertime now. So, this coming up, this beginning of this year, I'm going

Vanna Roseto be going to fashion school. I've actually been sewing for like 5 years. I'm really good at it. I actually have Instagram where I make clothes and I do that kind of stuff. I'm going to be a designer. So if you already know how to

SPEAKER_05sew and if you already know how to if you know about the textile industry blah blah blah then why would you need to go to school why wouldn't you just start your own small business and then you know create your own business because I love it so much that if I can learn

Vanna Roseevery last bit of it no matter how it is I would like to learn all that so I want to have that knowledge because I love it so much that to me going to that class wouldn't be school like to me it would be something that I want to do cuz I

Vanna Roselike to learn and if I'm learning about something that I love that I bonus on by getting a degree that can help me in the future also when it comes to that stuff, then I would love to do that because I want to know every last

SPEAKER_05bit of the thing that I love. Okay, good. I was just asking because it's, you know, it would be concerning if your only passion was only fans. Yeah. No, no, no. This is just a gateway to get to

SPEAKER_05where I really need to be. Okay, got it, babe. And I went to school. I'm a licensed esthetician and I went to spa studios and became a certified pro makeup artist. I've worked on many

SPEAKER_05different runways, different spas. I've had my own spa before. Um, unfortunately, you know, the economy has

SPEAKER_05destroyed businesses back and forth. Um, there's I am telling you, I am no way in the 15 years of being in the beauty industry. It hasn't destroyed those businesses though. Oh, estheticians and

SPEAKER_05spas and I mean those those business different economies at different times. it has in different areas, right? I think it's saturation that has destroyed those industries. I can't think of like even under Obama's economy during the

SPEAKER_05recession, those were those were actually businesses that were still making money. So, every single every single spa especially, every single spa, right? Every single spa has made it through the recession. I mean, even in a

Andrew Wilsonbooming economy, every single anything's not going to always make money. That's that's absurd, right? It doesn't exactly like you could you could still have a business which isn't healthy even when the economy is booming. That doesn't have anything to do with anything. Everybody's going to have to experience

Andrew Wilsonthat at some point working for a business that has healthier or down points. I'm just saying that those businesses typically are very healthy businesses. They have been for a long time. Yeah. But it's not every single business. And it's really hard when you

SPEAKER_05are going to school, you're raising your children, you're running a business, you're doing multiple things. And sometimes you have to divert your attention. And there's different aspects of where you live, right? I lived in a

SPEAKER_05small town. It was a really It was a lot harder to bring in. It wasn't LA, right? So, people weren't going and getting all types of different treatments. It was a smaller town that was a little bit

SPEAKER_05harder to be more successful in the spa industries. Um, but what I was saying is that I make way more m way more money. Wait, so little question on the

Andrew Wilsonbackground here. So you got started in adult content first. No, she started first. But with her Can I finish with one thing really encouragement? I just wanted to finish this. The last thing you said you make way more money. So let

Andrew Wilsonme just ask you this straight then. Yes. Let's just say that you were in that small town and you were making about what an aesthetician generally makes. Yes. In a small town uh or even what an esthetician would make in kind of a big city. Isn't it the case that you would

Andrew Wilsonstill do this because it's more money? Would I still do Only Fans or do Spa? Spa if if I was making the money that I'm making now? No. No, no, no. If you

Andrew Wilsonwere making the money that a general spa technician would make? Yes. Okay. So, I'm making that. So, what was the question again? So, would you wouldn't you wouldn't it be the case that you would still do OAF since the money is so

Andrew Wilsonmuch better than do spa work even if you made what a typical spa worker makes? Uh, yeah. I mean, I would do OAF, I'm completely debtree. Then I don't understand why bring up all of the history of the economy and you couldn't

Andrew Wilsonget, you know, jobs and all that. The truth is is that even if it was the case that you could work at any spa and get paid what a spa worker makes, you'd still be doing OF. Yeah. So why even why even bring any of that up? Because

SPEAKER_05basically I was asking because I answer because I asked her if she has any other talents other than just being an Only Fans. So I was answering her question. Oh, I see. creator. I wasn't disappointing. It's like you would still

Vanna Rosedo o e anyway, right? Yeah. But the thing is like she wouldn't anyway, but she wouldn't have been in that position if it wasn't for that. So then technically if that never happened, she would still be doing the spa. Well, that

Andrew Wilsonshe was trying to say that makes more sense now. Yeah. Wait, but the problem is is that even if she was in that position, she would still do it. You see what I So if they both made the same

SPEAKER_05amount of money, right, the spa thingy and the only fans, you would still pick the Only Fans over the spa thing. Yes. So therefore, right, that point proven.

SPEAKER_05Thanks, Andrew. At this point, yes. Welcome. I enjoy what I do. Um, Brian, I have a question for you. For me? Yeah. For you. Um, like I'm not complaining at

SPEAKER_05all cuz this is really yummy, but like why did you give it to me? And then she asked and you said no. Oh, I said later. I'll get her one later. We can we we

Brian Atlashave a two popsicle at the table limit. It's it's a policy written in blood as many policies are. Uh trust me, there's a reason for the policy. But I didn't

SPEAKER_05ask for a popsicle. You you made eye contact with me. You want me to have it done? You made eye contact with me. I don't. You're on only Didn't Didn't I thought she was looking

SPEAKER_05at you and like Felicity communicate to me that you wanted It's okay, Brian. I think you just wanted It's okay. I think she wants to get rid of the the the lollipop. Do you not like it? No, I do. Like I'm saying,

Brian Atlaswow, this is You're really ungrateful. Here I am. It's very yummy. I am such a hospitable host and here you are. Man is

SPEAKER_05great, darling. That's wonder. Or is it? Oh my gosh. What is that? That smells like burning. It smells like burning. Maybe it's a bird. It's a protest.

SPEAKER_05I don't think it's smell like it's burning. Something's burning. The birds. The birds on live itself. What is going on? Burning in the studio. No. Oh, it's probably because it's about to be Fourth

Andrew Wilsonof July. They're probably doing fireworks. The downstairs sometime yeah before. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Um,

Brian Atlasyeah. I don't know. What? I don't know. What were we talking about? Why you gave me the pops? No, that you're moving on

SPEAKER_05to something else. You You asked for it indirectly. Oh, I didn't mean to directly asked. I was back there and you were looking back and you like I directly asked. Give it to me and I'll throw it in the bin for you. No, I I

Brian Atlaswant She wants it. It's It's really good. You guys are wasting my pot. or don't you want to? All right, I'm going to read some chats here. I was wondering. Uh, every single woman around the table is getting sexualized by other women.

Brian AtlasYou all dress for each other, not for men. Chair 2 is barely dressed at all. And she's gross. Chair seven and three. Three W's. Chair three. Chair seven.

Brian AtlasWhat does W's mean? Yeah. Winning. Awesome. Winning means you're winning. Yes, you. Means winning. Yes. Winning. And he sent another one. Women don't dress for men. They dress for each other and sexualize

Brian Atlasthemselves. A feminism chair 2 is barely dressed at all. Gross. Chair sent it in twice kind of. But chair seven chair three W's. Thank you. Actually religious. W's W's in the chat from actually religious. Thank you very

SPEAKER_05much. Appreciate that. A thank you. This bird is killing me. The bird's killing me. You know, we're gonna do something. Can I say something about that comment? Um like I don't know who DM'd me from

SPEAKER_05the whatever podcast, but they told me to wear this outfit today. So, we do everything that's gross men on the internet tell us to do, darling. It wasn't your choice. You can't articulate

Pervin/Pearlyour own thoughts. I mean, they just asked me to wear this outfit. Don't speak to her. No, like her outfit is whatever. Kind of like curious. Well, she's she's obviously going to just wear what they told her to wear because she

SPEAKER_05wanted to be appropriate for the play. This meta conversation, frankly, is very boring. No, no, no. She's not wearing it on. I don't care. She's not wearing it because of what the man said to her. She's wearing it because she's on Only Fans and this is going to help her

SPEAKER_05career. Well, no. Like, they literally asked me to wear this. I just think you look hot. Going to do anything that any brand on the internet says, "You look stunning. You're the prettiest girl." People ask us for input on outfits and

Brian Atlasif there's like an outfit, which you posted this exact same outfit on your Instagram. That was an outfit recommendation. Okay. I wore white. It's white. Yeah, you can. People can wear whatever they

SPEAKER_05want. I didn't ask. people can wear whatever they want like what I should wear. Who who gives a [ __ ] Who cares? Well, someone just said I was gross because of what I was wearing. I just wanted to say that like and they call me

Brian Atlasburrito boy. They call me burrito boy. I don't [ __ ] do. I don't get into it. Oh well. Uh they asked me to eat a burrito. They [ __ ]

SPEAKER_05buy burritos for me to eat on stream. I'm not like sensitive about it, you I just don't I was just like defending myself cuz they

Brian Atlassaid I was gross for my Anyways, moving on. Don't worry about it. Moving on. So, uh let's see. Uh Anya, you have some a paper in front of you notes.

Anya MatusevichThey were for Andrew. They're not specifically for Andrew. Let me read them. Let me read them. They're not specifically for Andrew. It's just the podcast can go in a million different directions. It can go dating talk. It

Anya Matusevichcan go politics. It can go Okay. What what's the topic you want to hit on then? It's not one particular topic. It's just it's What do you have notes prepared for? Which topic? Okay. Um I

Andrew Wilsondon't know if I can say the pew pew rights. Um abortion rights, feminism, immigration. Talk about we can talk about G rights. We haven't done that. I

Anya Matusevichdon't think whatever before. G rights. Pew rights. Pew. Huh? Pew pews. I don't know if I can say that word for Yeah. I'm just covering all topics just in

Brian Atlascase I get asked about to it's not to but I mean I'm Yeah. Are you Are you in favor of gun ownership? Yeah. Okay. There's nothing

Anya Matusevichto debate then. Um abortion feminism. Immigration. Feminism. Interesting. I want to get immigration. Okay. Okay. Don immigration specifically

Anya Matusevichbecause of what's going on in LA right now. Okay. Are you pro im uh immigration or what's your position? My official position is that my parents came here in

Anya Matusevich1997. Um so we are Russian immigrants and I am fully pro- legal immigration, completely against illegal immigration. Um I think there should be a little bit

Anya Matusevichof tweaking on the legal immigration process because it is pretty broken. But before we can do that, what's going on right now is probably the best option.

Anya Matusevichum to kind of flush the system and start fresh.

Anya MatusevichWell, what's going on right now? What are you referring to? Um the ICE raids in LA and any raids going on in Florida. You mean throwing out all these [ __ ] illegals? I totally agree with you. I agree. And

Andrew Wilsonthat's excellent. Sorry. And if we can round all of them up in a day and throw them all the [ __ ] out of there at this country, I would be a very very happy man. But unfortunately, I don't think that that's going to be the case. It

SPEAKER_05seems like uh Mr. Trump, God Emperor Trump, may he live forever in the light, has failed us on this one. He seems to be I love Trump though in England right now with the

Andrew Wilsonimmigration. It's the problem in England is horrible. Horrible. Oh yeah. Well, they they with their uh Asian immigrants. They got a lot. You guys are losing your country day by day. And that

Brian Atlaswould happen here. Londinistan they call it now, don't they? Londinastan. Isn't that what they call it now? Yep. Yep. Uh, could I have you just move your

Brian Atlasmicrophone this way just a little bit and then uh tilt it down a little more. Perfect. Uh, okay. So, there was immigration, feminism. What's

Anya Matusevichyour position on feminism? Uh, strictly against feminism. Um, I think all waves, first wave, second, second wave, and third wave, were all harmful for society. I think the reason

Andrew Wilsonthat we're here is because of first wave feminism. Um, what do you mean by here? This is Okay, hang on. Actually, this is an really interesting take. So, you got to help me out here. You think that

Anya Matusevichthey're bad because they're bad for society, right? Yes. Okay, then why are you doing? I fully admit that it's bad. Fully admit it. I I I don't think it's great for society. Um, but I also think

Anya Matusevichit's something that I'm taking advantage of it and I also enjoy doing it. So before I was doing OAF, I was filming myself and

Anya Matusevichdoing it. Um, obviously none of that is posted cuz it was a while ago. Um, but I was filming it. You saying you would do that for you would do OF for free?

Andrew WilsonHonestly, I I enjoyed just filming it and like was it for your own personal pleasure? Hang on. Here's my question though. Would you do it for free? Probably. Yeah. Depending on the workload that it is. For really, you

Anya Matusevichwould do it for free. Depending on the workload. Depending on the workload. So, for example, like the workload that it is right now weighs

Anya Matusevichout to make sure to make sense for how much I'm getting paid with it. Um, so I'm willing to do all the other stuff because hey, the money's great. But if I

Anya Matusevichwas doing it for free, I would just I wouldn't put as much effort into it. But yeah, I would probably still do it. Why? I just enjoy showing myself. I know

Andrew Wilsonthat's kind of weird, but you just like having sex on camera in front of other people. Not even having sex, but like even just by myself. Like I like if I'm gooning or go to

Andrew Wilsonmyself which and the types of things you're doing by yourself which are highly sexualized probably include things like masturbation. Why can't you do that on your own? Why do you have to put it all over the internet? I didn't

Anya Matusevichhave to. Nobody told me I had to. Um I just I actually started out doing Tik Tok and doing like Legos on Tik Tok. um

Anya Matusevichand just like riding my horses and stuff. And I got a million and one DMs about OAF and I gave it a few months of thought before I actually did it. And it

Anya Matusevichwas back and forth, yes, no, yes, no. And I decided in the end to do it. Um it in the end I'm glad I did it, but if other people ask me if they should do it, I typically argue against starting

Andrew Wilsonit. Not that like I always try and frame it exactly how it is. Yeah. And it can be tough. Let me ask you this. Can be tough. Do you think

Anya Matusevichit's evil? Do you think Only Fans is evil? I think the general porn industry is Yes. Yeah. OF um I think it's a

Andrew Wilsonbetter version of it because Yeah. But is it evil? I think at its root, yeah, it's evil. Yeah. Then why then why why would you do

Anya Matusevichevil things? I I fully admit that it's honestly it's because I I plan to have children in the future

Anya Matusevichand this was the a way that I wanted to make a buttload of money and be able to spend time with my children and provide

SPEAKER_05them with resources, put them into private education, um do all of that. Couldn't you have just married a stud? What's going to happen when your little

SPEAKER_05boy turns 13 and his friends are all bullying him at school, showing them showing him pictures of their mom spread eagle on a bed? Like, do you think that that's going to be great for your

Anya Matusevichchildren? No. But I also think that a certain level of not bullying, I don't want to say bullying, but a certain level of hardship kind of builds strength. Not saying that every kid should be bullied,

Andrew Wilsonbut we got to toughen the little Johnny up. Poor little Timmy pansy. We got to go over there, beat him up, and stuff him in the locker cuz his mommy does cool. What? Come on. Well, because at the end

Vanna Roseof the day, they shouldn't worry about what other people have to think, you know? So, it's like they shouldn't like he needs to like it's nice to teach them that growing up like you don't need to worry about what other people think that that has nothing to do with you. So if

Anya Matusevichpeople were bullying him for that then that's not it's the first time I've I've heard Andrew also asked a question. I I was paying attention to that one. What was it? I was asking you if it's evil.

Andrew WilsonYeah. After that it was right as she was stating hers. Yeah. Yeah. So are you engaging in evil? I would say so. Yeah. Don't you think you should stop doing that?

Anya MatusevichUm eventually. You can imagine you can imagine somebody if you say look this is evil that well don't you think you should stop doing that? I think there are certain levels of evil. I think

Anya Matusevichthere's certain levels of evil. So I think like for example like I think smoking cigarettes. I think it's tech that's not evil. That's not evil.

Andrew WilsonSmoking marijuana. I I think no using substances evil cuz it's hurting you. Those things aren't those things aren't evil. I wouldn't classify them as evil.

Andrew WilsonYou actually classified this as evil. Evil at its root. It's evil. So you you by your admission are participating in evil. Yeah. Like knowingly. Now all of

Andrew Wilsonus I think probably at some points in our life participate in evil deeds. Correct. Uh sometimes knowingly or unknowingly. But when you recognize that it's an evil deed, don't you generally steer clear of that because you know

Andrew Wilsonit's evil, right? Isn't that the whole point of being able to recognize evil for what it is? Yeah. And I fully admit the hypocrisy 100%. Well, it's not I mean I don't I don't even know if in this case it's

Andrew Wilsonhypocrisy. It's just inconsistency, right? It's just an inconsistent standard. Like you if you know you're engaging in something that by your own standard is evil. You just stop doing

Anya Matusevichthat, right? Like I'll have a drink here and there at home. I'll have a beer, but I know it's bad for me. I know I shouldn't be doing it. I know it's going to hurt my liver

SPEAKER_05in the long term. Um, irrelevant. Why? It's not the same. That's you maybe harming your body slightly, but evil

Anya Matusevichmeans that you're harming other people, right? Okay, let's clarify real quick the definition like what we're considering evil because maybe I agreed to something that I don't know what I agreed to.

Anya MatusevichYeah, that seems fair. What do you think evil is? See that that's actually honestly that's I'm having difficulty like putting a pinpoint on that is what she said kind

Anya Matusevichof more close to the definition of evil that we're going upon where it's hurting yourself and others. Well, in the so my in my tradition, the Orthodox tradition, evil doesn't have an

Andrew Wilsonontology. It just means absence from God. So anything that's absent from God would be considered evil. It doesn't itself have its own uh sense of thing. It's a phenomenon which we call a thing

Andrew Wilsonwhich would be absent from the energies of God. That's what we would consider evil to be. I mean I asking you what you consider evil to be. Now you know what I consider it. But I'm asking you what you consider it to be. You don't have the

SPEAKER_05same standard I do. So I'm wondering from your view what is evil. I think sorry can I sorry to interrupt Andrew. I think that the I think that the people who um manufacture and create the cigarettes, they might be evil, but I

SPEAKER_05think that the person who smokes a cigarette isn't evil. If that makes any sense. Why? Why though? Because they are knowingly um distributing something that

Andrew Wilsonyou know potentially could cause h cancer or like health problems. Okay. So the consumer you wouldn't I understand. So the consumer you wouldn't hold responsible but you would hold I love I

SPEAKER_05love a siggy like when I'm out for having a drink but I wouldn't say that because you would consider the pusher to be Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in that case chair one from your view is

Vanna Roseevil. What who's the pusher? So the person she would she would be the pusher, right? Are you saying she's Yeah. Is she the user or is she the pusher? I would be the pusher. She technically Only Fans is just your

SPEAKER_05pusher because the people that created the Only Fans and then provided that platform for other people. Don't get me wrong, I don't um think that the men who are consuming this corn whatever um are

SPEAKER_05the best, but without the people who are providing it, it can't be done. So, it's literally like the person the Malbra, you know, they are creating something

Anya Matusevichthat's dangerous, but the person who smokes the Malbra cigarette isn't evil. I think it's like 50. I'm sorry. I'll take because you're always going to have a market. You're always going to have a supply. It's 50/50 cuz people are still

Andrew Wilsonthey wouldn't be able to sell it if people didn't buy it. So yeah, that's true. I just kind of the market. You're right. Like you are correct. If there's no demand, there's no supply. I

Andrew Wilsonagree. I agree that that's true. But what's easier to control? Is it easier to control the pusher or is it easier to control the millions of consumers? Which one's easier to regulate? I feel like sometimes though, if you think about it,

Vanna Roselike people are going to want it anyways and somehow they're going to find a way to get it no matter what. Something really wants something. Well, then why have any law? We're kind of talking We're also kind of talking about a reason. I'm going to respond. Why have any law then? If it is the case that

Andrew Wilsonpeople will just break them. What do you mean by that though? Like why have any if the ca if it is the case that you're saying if you regulate this people will do it anyway? Then you can make that example for any law which exists on the books. Why have any law? for example,

Vanna Roselike it's like the vapes, right? Like the uh the flavored vapes. Like they banned it, right? But now they're still selling it, but now they're even faker. They're worse for you. Like because no matter what, people are going to want it. So it's like if people just try to

Vanna Rosestop it altogether, it just somehow someway people are going to find out. Like for example, marijuana. The reason hang on, hang on, hang on. Let's let's go one step at a time here because you didn't actually answer the question. If

Andrew Wilsonit is the case that you're saying, Andrew, listen, um, you the reason you don't want to regulate this is because, hey, people will want it anyway. There'll still be a demand. I actually agree that that's true. There's there

Vanna Rosewill still be a demand for it. But couldn't you make that case with any law that exists? I would say so. Like I mean, yeah. So So then why have laws at all? Facts. But that's that's what I mean by like just in general like

Vanna Rosemarijuana, right? Like the reason they legalized it was because people were going to do it no matter they were going to keep arresting them or whatever. The reason they legalized it was because a lot of the times people are thoughts on this please. No, hang on. Hang on. The

Andrew Wilsonreason they legalized marijuana was because there was huge NOS's pushing for it who knew that once they taxed it, pushed out to the public, uh, it would spread and the consumption would spread.

Andrew WilsonAnd by the way, the people who resisted marijuana legalization, guys like me for instance, who resisted it, told everybody that, hey, this is not going to be a just the current crop of people

Andrew Wilsonwho smoke marijuana will keep doing it and now it's legal and safe. It's going to spread. And it did. It spread all over the place and way more people smoke it now than ever before. And it will

SPEAKER_05continue to spread like a [ __ ] cancerous plague. So the thing is is like it seemed like the laws were real helpful there at regulating. Well, speaking of cancer, there are, you know, benefits to medical marijuana. Can I can

Anya MatusevichI ask you? You're saying that it's spreading like like crazy. Is that in in your eyes, is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's a bad thing. Okay. Why is it why I

Andrew Wilsonagree, but why is it bad? I'm going to get you the under the district. Well, I think it's just socially bad. So it's it would be bad for the social health of welfare of the people of the United States. Okay. Why is it socially bad?

Andrew WilsonBecause it's hurting other people and the people that are smoking it, right? I don't think it's just a matter of hurting people. That's where you and I might deviate. I think when we're talking about social goods or social bads, we're talking about what do we

Andrew Wilsonwant to see as a social norm for society. So inside of society, I don't want to see people stoned out of their [ __ ] mind when they're driving. I don't want to see people going up to pot dispensaries where there's security guards and walking out with joints. I

Andrew Wilsondon't want to see people shooting up with needles on the sidewalk. Even if that doesn't actually directly affect me, even if that's hundreds and hundreds of miles away, I don't want a reflection of that socially in my society. But technically, yeah, technically people

Vanna Rosearen't allowed to like drive and smoke though. Like technically, like if you get pulled over and it's like a DUI but for marijuana and stuff, you're not even allowed to do that. like drugs, but you're contributing you're contributing

Andrew Wilsonnew people doing it with mass legalization of marijuana. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Can I ask do you drink alcohol? Sure. Okay. So, do you

SPEAKER_05I'm drinking a beer right now. Do you think that So, do you think that alcohol and and marijuana are different? Yeah. Like, do you think the law should be

Andrew Wilsondifferent? And if so, why? Alcohol is completely enriched in American culture. It's part of the social identity of Americana. Our founding fathers, if you looked at the receipts of their party after the Constitution, it would make one of these

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] block parties in Santa Barbara, it would make all the kids there cry because of how much liquor they drank. Um, that's what in fact they substituted water with alcohol often because water

Andrew Wilsoncan be rackish and poisonous. Alcohol is so entrenched in the American identity that when prohibition was around, it was basically one of the first amendments that we actually

Andrew Wilsonrepealed and got rid of as quickly as possible. I mean, it had a very short uh span because of the social identity which comes with it. Alcohol is a part of the culture of the very fabric of the

Andrew Wilsonculture that's here. Marijuana is not and never has been. Okay. of cultural difference, but yeah, there's massive cultural distinctions in in how these things play a part. Could you make the

Andrew Wilsonargument that alcohol kills way more people than marijuana? Yeah, I would agree that that's true. Probably kills more people than probably any other drug that's out there. I would agree with that, too. But I also think that there's

Andrew Wilsona distinction in the culture and what we know that where it's okay to do and what's not okay to do. and the fabric of going to like a honky tonk bar in the South at uh 9:00 and drinking till 1:00

Andrew Wilsona.m. with uh you know with your buddies in the in the local pub. That's an entrenched part of American culture right down to the fabric of my daddy daddy daddy drink at this same pub. So I don't I don't think you're going to

Brian Atlaseasily disassociate that from the culture. Interesting. All right, we have some chats coming through. We have Pasty George coming in here. Thank you Pasty. Appreciate it. He writes, "Chair one,

Brian Atlaswhile it is excellent that you denounce feminism and realize how detrimental it is to society, but you do only fans, isn't that hypocritical?" Yeah. I mean,

Anya MatusevichI I don't like I Yeah, it definitely is hypocritical. Um I also I don't think I don't think OAF is like empowering like what feminism

Anya Matusevichsays. Like I don't think it's empowering. Um I enjoy doing it. I I like doing it. I don't think it's like empowering though. Hang on. Hang on. I I

Andrew WilsonBrian, I just wanted to to to finish it off though. Sorry. Um but yeah, the the major the major take here away isn't isn't just the aspect of culture, but remember that there's a lot of stigma

Andrew Wilsonaround alcohol. There's stigma around alcoholics. There's major social stigma. That's part of the social responsibility that comes with alcohol. Nobody likes alcoholics. They like they have interventions. They have billboards

Andrew Wilsoneverywhere saying don't drink and drive. They do all Where's all that [ __ ] for Only Fans? Anywhere. Is there a billboard saying don't let your daughter do Only Fans? Is there is there is there don't there's no drink and drug. There's

Andrew Wilsonno stigma for these other social plagues. There's only stigma for this social plague. And it's like, okay, look, uh it seems to me that it's absurd kind of on its face to be like, look, we have all the stigma towards alcohol,

Andrew Wilsoneven though it's an entrenched part of the culture, but no stigma towards any of these other social ills and societal ills. And that's just [ __ ] crazy to me. I feel like I think it's cyclical.

Anya MatusevichSo like for example, alcohol like it was on the rise. Everyone was drinking. Like it wasn't really that big of a deal. And then we st they stigmatized it and

Anya Matusevichnot use went down, but it we started looking at alcoholics as bad and sick. Um and then same thing happened with cigarettes. Same thing happened with vapes. So vapes went up and now they're

Anya Matusevichgoing down. And honestly, I think the same thing is going to happen with this industry is everyone's kind of going up up up. Um, a lot of people are doing it and then we're going to start stigmatizing stigmatizing it and people

Anya Matusevichare still going to what happens with stigma law. What would you consider like right? I also don't think that this is going to get outlawed um because a lot of the people using it are the people

Vanna Rosethat would be voting on it. But what do you think? So what do you think that is like a right thing? So you're saying like to do only fans is wrong? like what would you say is the right thing to do because I feel like it really comes to what people's for example like we were

Vanna Rosetalking about everyone does have different morals but then I feel like it like what makes that wrong like for me like like for example she enjoys it so is that wrong for her no it's not because she enjoys doing it you can enjoy a lot of things that are bad for

SPEAKER_05you she enjoys doing it yet she admits that it's evil I mean how can you enjoy doing something that you believe is evil hang on hang on hang on hang on people can enjoy Fendy and you know how you believe this should you just do things

Vanna Rosethat make you feel good? No, not all the time. But I feel like if it's something Why not? Why not? Well, because I don't know, like you don't always have to do everything that you like to do. But I'm just saying I know you don't have to, but why

Vanna Roseshouldn't you? Why shouldn't you just always do things that make you feel good? Well, I mean, if you can make like a living off of it and it's like something that you're like using instead of going to like an 8 to5 a 9 to5

Vanna Rosefreaking working for somebody else that's that's just not even considering like how you are as a person. Only Hang on. Why don't you find a talent, something that you enjoy doing, a job

Andrew Wilsonthat you really love that isn't 9 to5? This is all a deviation. Wait, wait, wait. This is all a deviation. Sorry, Andrew. Why shouldn't you only do things that make you feel good?

Vanna Rosebecause they can be morally corrupt. I'm asking her why why why do you think that you shouldn't just do everything that makes you feel good? Well, I feel like at the end of the day, like you can do what you want. Like if that's what makes

Andrew Wilsonme feel good, then I feel like I can do that. So then you should choice. It's a choice. So then you should Okay. So then you should do things that make you feel good, right? Yeah. Okay. So what if somebody died and donated their body to

Vanna Rosea necrophleiac to have sex with and it made the necrophlec feel good? Well, that's not me, though. So, that's not like I wouldn't have anything to say about that. But you wouldn't have Hang on. Wait, so you'd be okay with that? No, I'm not saying that. I'd be okay

Andrew Wilsonwith that. Finish the question. Let me finish the question. So, a guy dies, donates his body to a necrophleiac, and it makes the necrophleiac feel good, right? Why shouldn't he do that? Well,

Andrew Wilsonbecause that's wrong. But I'm not saying what I'm doing is wrong. I don't think that doing Only Fans is wrong. So, why is it wrong if it makes him feel good? Well, because it's a diff that's different though. It's different. I'm

Vanna Rosenot doing things that are hurting other people or being disgusting or doing that. Who's he hurting? He's that's literally if you're doing that to somebody that's that's still hurting them. They still were a person dead.

Andrew WilsonThat still was a person though. So they dead. Yeah. My choice of feeling good isn't doing things to other people. They donated their body to him to do it. Okay. Well, I don't know about that. So

SPEAKER_05I have nothing to say for that. You don't know if that's wrong. Well, yes, it's wrong. But I'm saying that sounds wrong. It makes him feel good. That's not they the body does not consent. He donate they donate it. It's

Vanna Rosedisrespectful to the family of the person who's passed away. Disrespectful. Well, I would hope no one would do that. So there's no family. Well, people do do that. I know, but that that is wrong. But I'm not doing that. So yeah, but why

Andrew Wilsonis it wrong though? Because it's disgusting. And that's [ __ ] terrible. Then by I agree because it's disgusting. So Only Fans is disgusting. Therefore, it's

Andrew Wilsonwrong. I don't feel like it's disgusting, but that's like I said, as long as it as long as it's disgusting and that's what makes it wrong. I could use that argument against homosexuality. I could use that argument against Only

SPEAKER_05Fans. I could use that argument against anything that I find disgusting. I could just say it's wrong. It's morally wrong. Right. And that's his opinion. And he's entitled to that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Exactly. Everybody has

Andrew Wilsonwould even be my opinion. That would just be a logical breakdown. So, if it is the case that things that make you feel good are right, if I give you this scenario where this thing makes this guy

Andrew Wilsonfeel good, he's not hurting anybody else, tell me why it's wrong. I think it's just everybody's opinion is that it's everybody's opinion that this

Vanna Roseis wrong. So, it' be individual. It's just all different people's opinion cuz some people probably would say that that is wrong and those people are weird, but I'm saying that that is wrong, but it's like it's just a choice of what other

Andrew Wilsonpeople perceive. Yeah, I know you keep saying it's wrong, but if I go off your standard of do what makes you feel good, right? Because that's what how you know something's right. But I'm not hurting anybody in the process. Neither is he.

SPEAKER_05Neither is he. Who's he hurting? He's hurting the family. What if the family has no family? Oh.

SPEAKER_05Daddy Brian. Yeah, baby. That's a way to change the conversation. Holy crap. Sorry, it was in response. But then I

SPEAKER_07saw it was no champagne. Jungle donated $1,000. There's a [ __ ] dent in the ceiling. Fit that makes you gross. No champagne, Brian. None. Careful. How

SPEAKER_07many genders did they popped it before I saw the champagne to the table? How many? Darth Andrew, destroy them. This guy is a legend. I I do I do just want to quickly quickly finish. I'm almost

Andrew Wilsondone, Brian. All right. He keeps trying to change it. Get stressed out because this one this is really important that you guys understand this. At least where I'm coming from here, right? I'm

Andrew Wilsonlistening. Let's say that a person was alive who his dream after he died was to donate his body to some guy to have sex with it after he was dead. That's his

Andrew Wilsondream. That's all he thinks about all day that he loves the very idea of this and then he dies and donates his body to some other guy and that guy does that

Andrew Wilsonevery single day. Well, I feel like Let me finish. Let me finish. I just want to know if if if there's no family, there's no objections, there's no nothing, why would that be wrong? Well,

Vanna Rosewhat if what if, you know, it's like no one like talk about what if this, what if that? Like, I don't know that this isn't something that's reality right now that I could see in front of me. I have no answer for that to be honest with you because it's a what if somebody getting is somebody getting murdered in front of

SPEAKER_05you right now? So both of them are consenting to that right the guy that passed away is consenting and the other guy's consenting. So in their world in their their minds they are not doing

SPEAKER_05wrong right it would be in their mind are they doing wrong in in my mind yes but that's my opinion why I I have no clue I I I think I think again this this

SPEAKER_05becomes a a society thing and society's opinions and that's why so many people think only fans is wrong that's how you understand though why it is that if it is the case that I get society on my

Andrew Wilsonside to say only fans is wrong and we outlaw it, you can't really have any objections to it. Because what you just did was you described that morality comes from the masses. And if that's the

Andrew Wilsoncase, then anytime a person like me can sway the masses into prescribing something which is bad for you, you can't object to it. I don't I also don't think that the the issue is swaying the

Anya Matusevichmasses. I think it's the issue is swaying the people that are going to be voting on it. And as I said previously, a lot of the people that are I don't this would all have to go

Anya Matusevichthrough Congress and the Senate, right? So, and those people get voted in. I understand. But you you can admit too that there's a lot of time they don't represent the constituency that they're

Andrew Wilsonthey claim to be representing. Yeah. A lot of times they represent NOS's and not the constit. They still have to get in there, right? That's true. But they represent NGOs's and they represent a lot of time their

Anya Matusevichown personal things that they want whether it's moving up in um the political ladder and they have to try and square the circle. I know Brian wants moving on. We can move it on now.

Brian AtlasBrian, I just want to finish. Brian has had enough. He just wants and Brian, are you allowed to have any of that champagne or not? I'm Jungle says I messaged him. He said

Brian Atlasno champagne, Brian. Uh, so I'm just going to drink it alone. Do what you want, darling. You guys, my love, jungle. Uh, salute to you, Jungle, if you want to do a little cheers with me, Jungle. Uh, Sal. Oh, wait. So, Brian's

SPEAKER_05allowed to drink it and we're not. Yeah. That is unacceptable, Jungle. Whoever you are. Why can't we do? But he did ask a question. He did ask a question. If you guys recall, what was

Brian Atlasthe question? This is for chair five. That's for you, Crystal. How many genders did they teach you? There are what about the rest of the table? How many? So you answer first. Go ahead,

Crystal (Sociology)Crystal. Basically, uh, however many people want to say LG, LGBTQ+, but I mean HGM joy. So are there an

Brian Atlasinfinite number of genders? Basically. Okay. Basically what they teach you. And then what about the rest of the table? How many genders are there? Two. Two. Two. I feel like there's like two

Brian Atlasgenders. No comment on that one. Two male and female. Two. Okay. Jungle, thank you again very much

Brian Atlasfor the champagne. I do appreciate it. Uh, thank you, sir. Thanks, daddy. Jungle. Thank you, Jungle. Appreciate it. He said no champagne, though, so I I didn't see that part. So, wait, you're

Vanna Rosenot allowed to share. Nope. Okay. I I got to adhere to Jungle's requests. Jungle? Wait, so what like what other type of genders do they say that there is? Cuz I'm just familiar with two like what other kind of genders would is

Vanna Rosethere? Cuz I I I've never heard of another gender like so what other like what would be a term like of another gender? Transvast. But isn't like a like if so let's say if you're a girl and then you want to be a boy like wouldn't

Vanna Roseyou still be changed to a a male? So that would make you male at that point, right? Or I just see I don't really know too much about that. So that's why be

Brian Atlastransgender. Yeah. But is so transgender is a gender uh pasty George three. Stop being boring and gross. Lol.

Brian AtlasThat's to you too. He says stop being He said stop being bor bor boring and gross. I'm being boring and gross. I guess so. I don't know. Okay. Well, your

SPEAKER_05name is Pasty George, honey. And you donated $100 just to tell me that I'm gross. So, maybe you should take a look in the mirror. Pasty George. Oo, Pasty George. Shots fired. He has he has a

Brian Atlasfollowup. Anyone knows that uh that thing is gross and morally wrong. So why can't O fans camirling escorting etc be gross and immoral? Why does money and

SPEAKER_05consent make the latter right? Can I was saying that I think that both of them are immoral. Can I ask you so catch up pasty George? I I agree that it is gross

Anya Matusevichand immoral. But why is necroilia wrong and immoral by your standard? By Andrew's standard. Oh my god. Go back to this topic. No, I agree. We're moving

Anya Matusevichforward. Do you know the meaning of the word necrophilia? Do you understand? I agree. I agree. I think it's gross and morally wrong. Now that bangeth the dead in the body of No, we're going This is going back to the conversation that I

Vanna Rosewas having over here. Bad things. That's why That's why it's wrong. This is I'm sorry. Answer that again. Disgusting. I want to change my answer to for the transgender thing cuz I didn't even know that transgender time. Can you Can you say that again? Yeah, maybe before we

Brian Atlasspeak we should say the Lord. Yeah, I know. I'm like I didn't know what that Okay, so hold on. Stop. I need you guys to speak one at a time.

Brian AtlasIf one person is speaking, my expectation for the entire panel is everybody else is silent while that person is speaking. Anya was speaking. You guys are doing I don't even know

Brian Atlaswhat you guys are talking about. Some sidebar conversation. Kindly one person speaking at a at the time. The discipline on this has been terrible thus far. One person at a time.

Anya MatusevichGo ahead. Um, this was just going back to the conversation I was having. I'm sorry. What was your name? Um, you can call me Pearl. Pearl. Pearl. Yes, Pearl. The conversation I was having with Pearl was I was trying to get down to where

Andrew Wilsonher morals come from. Not that her morals were wrong, just where they come from. Let's just go back. No, I get it. But the like when you when you're making an epistemic claim, which is what that

Andrew Wilsonis, right? Epistemology being the study, as we all know, of the epistles. Uh, no, I'm kidding. Joking. Uh, so when you're making an epistemic claim, uh,

Andrew Wilsonyou have to account for it. And I can account for my epistemic claim with God. You're not accounting for your epistemic claim at all. You're just saying me, me,

Andrew Wilsonmy pre, my preferences, things that make me feel good is how I account for all the things that are around me. Right? That's the distinction. So like it it's easy for people to have this bizarre

Andrew Wilsondistinction where they're like your morals are your morals man and my morals are my morals man and we just like I'll do our own little thing but it's like clearly we don't think that that's true right so for instance if you looked

Andrew Wilsonoutside right now and a bunch of Aztecs were cutting the [ __ ] hearts out of people and then kicking them off the temple you would probably get pretty upset about it right you'd probably be like ah you know I think that that's immoral and you probably shouldn't be

Andrew Wilsonable to and that's kind of transcending perhaps this idea of preferential morality, right? It's kind of transcending it. So, I don't think all morals codes are created equal and I think that some worldviews can account

Vanna Rosefor them and some world views can't. I agree. I was saying uh I didn't really know exactly about the gender thing cuz I didn't know that transgender technically was a gender. I thought that that's what

Vanna Rosethey just would say for things. So, I would want to change my answer cuz I feel like if you choose to want to be like who you want to be, then I feel like they have that choice. So, I just wanted to change my answer on that.

Anya MatusevichAlso, just to clarify, my morals don't come from what I find enjoyable. Cuz even though I do find it enjoyable and I like it, I don't think it's morally right. Well, no, but then but then you wouldn't do it if you didn't find it

Anya Matusevichenjoyable, right? So, you're still just doing whatever makes you feel good. It makes me feel good, but I don't think it's morally right. Right. So you do don't you do it for the money? Things that make you feel good. I I also just

Brian Atlasenjoy doing it. Would you So you would do it without the money? Yeah, I answered this previously. Yeah. Again, balancing workload depending on the workload. All right, we have some super chats. Pelagic, logical fallacy is

Brian Atlassurprising here. Pelagic, thank you for the big super chat, man. Really appreciate it, guys. W's in the chat for Pelagic. You're a legend, sir. Thank you for the super chat. Irving, there are 10 million women between the ages of 18 to

Brian Atlas25 in America. 1.5 million dog. Those same women have begun only fans or s work equivalent. Another stati stat statistic is that roughly 40% of

Brian Atlasall children in America is being raised by a man who believes that child is actually theirs. What? Oh, so paternity

Brian Atlasfraud. Okay. Um uh I don't know if the statistic is that high. What you might be referencing, Irving, is of the men who challenge

Brian Atlaspaternity and they get a paternity test done, it's something like one in three, so maybe closer to 33%

Brian Atlasof men are raising children that are not theirs in the in the event that there is a in the event that they are contesting

Brian Atlasthe paternity. So this wouldn't account for it wouldn't be the case that 40% of all children being raised in America that the father is a cuck essentially.

Brian AtlasUh but I think that's the statistic you're referencing. Thank you Irving though. I appreciate the soup chat. Poochie, thank you for the membership. Why don't we just do this early? Stifler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't

SPEAKER_05pick seven. Go ahead Anna. Starting with you. Seven. Six and a half. Okay. Chloe. Um, like a six. I go 6.9.

SPEAKER_05The Year of Our Lord. That was a joke. Sorry. I'd say like six and a half. Okay. I'd say six. You can't pick seven. Huh? Can't pick seven. That's my favorite number. That's like

Pervin/Pearlstill not fair. Okay. Uh, I'm going to do 6.9. I would say beauty is subjective. So, I would date I would say it would fluctuate like up or down. I would say a five. Six.

Pervin/PearlWait, you said it would fluctuate up or down. Could it ever be a 10? No. Like, no one is a 10. I think anyone who says they are a 10 is pure delusional because

Pervin/PearlI think a 10 you have to be like super flawless with absolutely no cosmetic procedures or Hold on. Hold on. Do you recall five minutes ago when I

Brian Atlaskindly told you to shut the [ __ ] up? Do you remember five minutes ago? What did you just do right now? I just was I forgot what she said. So, I was just asking her. Why would that matter?

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