DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Shona (DT260)>> I mean, if I was in a relationship, I'd probably want to go to the club with my boyfriend more likely. >> What if he didn't want to go? >> Okay, then. I mean, if if he doesn't feel comfortable with me doing that, like I'd be willing to respect that

Brian Atlasboundary. Okay. Um, did you want to respond to the points I made about like child care and whatnot? >> Yeah, I think actually if both a woman and a man in a relationship pull together their income, they can actually

Shona (DT260)give their child more resources in the future such as like college education. Like the average person deals with college debt. And I think it would only help it would only help the child's future to pull together income. Well,

Brian Atlaseven if that's the case, that pooling income would provide future benefits, that doesn't address my argument, which is as it relates to raising the children when they're young. Do you

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah, I think during the time where it's like really essential to be present, like infantthood and whatever, like the a woman should definitely take time off

Brian Atlasto pay attention to that. >> Okay. So, is it would it be better then for If possible economically for the woman to stay at home and take care of the

Brian Atlaschildren while the man goes out and works >> economically. >> No. If it's possible economically, is it better for the children? >> I'm not understanding your question right now.

Brian Atlas>> Is it better for the children if the man has the resources to allow for the woman to not have to work? Like he's making enough money where she doesn't have to work. Is it better for

Shona (DT260)the children? >> I mean, in a case where like a man earns enough money to completely cover the child's future and the woman doesn't have to work. I think that >> Well, I'm not even talking necessarily about the future. I'm just saying uh

Shona (DT260)>> or for the present or whatever. Like if the husband can completely cover the child's financial needs, I think that's great. But I think also what a woman wants to do in her life, if she wants to work, that also counts for something. And you can still like regard the

Brian Atlaschild's future and look out for it and have a career. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. >> Well, the implication here isn't necessarily if the both parents go out and work that the child's going to like

Brian Atlasturn out to be like terrible. That's not the argument. Okay. >> I'm just saying I think the most optimal thing would be for one parent to work >> Mhm. >> and for one to take care of the children.

Brian Atlas>> Right. But again, what a woman chooses to do with her life should also be taken into account. But I think once you have children, you can't engage in this sort of self-serving um selfish

Shona (DT260)egotistical des like your desires ought to come secondary to your children. >> Also, I mean to like talk about it from my perspective like I've grown up with two parents who have jobs and I feel

Brian Atlaslike I'm perfectly happy with the way I have been raised and I would be happy to let my child have the same experience. >> Yeah. This isn't an indictment of all children who have been raised in households where both parents were working.

Brian Atlas>> This isn't to say that all children they're going to become No, but it would be optimal. I think it's optimal for one parent to be working the other to be taken care >> for the child. Yeah. But it might not be

Brian Atlasoptimal for the woman and her life matters too >> like what she want she wants to pursue in her life. >> Sure. I I mean >> I'm just taking both things into account. But again, my position would be

Brian Atlasonce you have children, your duty extends beyond your own selfish desires and you ought to put the children first. >> And like one day when I have a career and I have a child, I will care more

Shona (DT260)about my child than my career because that's a human being who I birthed. But it doesn't mean I'll completely disregard and throw away my career. Like there again, the two things are not like mutually exist. >> Don't doctors work a lot? I mean, I

Brian Atlasdon't know. Isn't Isn't it pretty >> I mean I know people who have two doctor parents and they've turned out they've >> No no no that's not what I'm saying but it's a really demanding field >> for sure. Yeah >> super demanding >> but like eventually actually once you have your career like stable like for

Brian Atlaswhat I want to do you can have >> which will be when when you're 40. >> Not when I'm 40. No by the time I'm in my early 30s. >> Well that would be the start of your career wouldn't it? >> Like don't doctors I don't know the ex I

Brian Atlasmean you have to go to med school that takes time. do residency. That's And then you have all your student uh >> actually I'd probably have my career going by the time I'm 28 just based on >> So you'll have your what?

Shona (DT260)>> My career like started by the time I'm 28. So by the time I'm 30 I should I'll be good. >> Like I would want to have my own kind of like private practice where you can actually regulate >> 28?

Brian Atlas>> No, at like 30 in my 30s when it's time for me to have kids anyway. >> I don't think most doctors start their own private practice. I could be wrong. I don't know. Um, >> it depends on the type of doctor, but

Shona (DT260)psychiatry has a much shorter residency, so you're able to like >> Okay. >> figure that stuff out a lot better. >> All right. I mean, >> but again, like I know people who have two doctor parents, especially in the area I live in. >> They turned out great. >> Yeah.

Shona (DT260)>> Like all of them. Like there's no difference. >> Yeah. But I mean, >> in fact, they have two parents who are able to really support their future and give them all the resources necessary to succeed. >> Right. But I mean I I would there's also

Brian Atlasother confounding variables like people who are doctors are probably like way more conscientious and like possess other like really positive traits that are going to benefit the children >> and only makes it only makes things

Brian Atlasbetter for the child, right? >> Well, I mean not to say that women who aren't doctors aren't capable of being like >> they're great mothers, too, >> right? But again, I'm I'm strictly

Brian Atlastalking about what's optimal for the children. And to me, just I I don't even understand the motivation of you come across a guy super high earner. >> Hey, you don't have to work.

Shona (DT260)>> And I want to work. >> Okay. Well, you're a feminist boss babe. >> I don't I It's not about being a feminist boss babe woman. I like that person said earlier like, "Oh, she just wants to be a boss babe and she doesn't

Brian Atlascare about raising a family. She's going to whatever. I care about raising a family. That's also one of my life goals." >> No. So, I don't I have no issues with women pursuing careers, wanting to work, but like when presented with these sort of hypothetical scenarios where it's

Brian Atlaslike, "Okay, well, here's a billion dollars." It's like I prioritize like basically I prior >> I'll give it to people who need it. I'll give it to people who need it and I'll just be like I will be kind of disappointed at the fact that I don't

Shona (DT260)get to work and have my own career, but like ultimately I'll think about others more than myself. And I don't know. I don't think it's fair to call me like a a feminist boss babe just cuz I value having a career. Are you not a feminist?

Brian Atlas>> I have my qualms with like certain parts of feminism. >> I mean, you're a feminist. You're a boss babe. It is what it is. >> That's such a corny term. Like, what's the point in calling me a boss babe? >> I mean, you want to be a boss babe. It's okay. No,

Brian Atlas>> you want to be a boss babe. It's all good. >> What's a boss babe? What does that even mean? Uh, probably like a woman who overly prioritizes her career over >> I would care about my children more than

Brian AtlasI would care about my career, but I would still have both. Yes. Yes. Your child is the most important if you're a mother, your child is the most important thing to you. >> Okay. But so if there was like evidence presented to you that children tend to

Brian Atlasfare better if the mom's actually home and like doing all of or most of the child rearing like this, that would be optimal. the child would be fine either

Shona (DT260)way. Like you said earlier like two parents being like for example doctors would have its own benefits for a child and children >> who are the children who are the children of people with careers still turn out fine

Brian Atlas>> if it is the case that >> it's not that suboptimal >> but if it's if it's the case that it's slightly detrimental >> as opposed to if you were just dating a really wealthy guy or

Brian Atlas>> I don't even think it's detrimental >> for the mom to pass off >> the kid to daycare. You don't think that's detrimental? >> I turned out fine. My friends have

Shona (DT260)parents who work two careers. They turned out fine. I had a great childhood and it only benefited from both of my parents working. I only have one. >> Are your parents married? >> Yes. >> They're still together. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, for example,

Brian AtlasI think the most optimal scenario for raising children off of career would be two parent nuclear household. Now, it is the case that you can be raised in a one parent household and turn out completely

Brian Atlasfine. Absolutely. >> Many cases, >> yes, many cases. There's no dispute there. >> Great. >> But I would still argue that would have it would would have been optimal if you had a two parent household.

Brian Atlas>> And perhaps people who turned out just fine, maybe they would have been even better. >> I don't think a child going to daycare at some point is that detrimental to their upbringing. >> I mean, it you're you're a doctor.

Shona (DT260)That's a really demanding field. I question >> and again at some point I'm not going to be consumed by work when your child you do your hardest work as like a doctor when you're still in the earliest phases

Brian Atlasof your career >> which is conceivably when around the time you would want to start >> before that well >> like residency that's what I'm talking about

Brian Atlas>> okay but I mean when do you want to have children like 35 or something or >> like early to mid-30s yeah >> okay Okay,

SPEAKER_00>> good talk. Uh, we have some chats here coming through. Did this one come through? I don't know. Probably maybe. >> Chair number_1_on some underscore donated. >> Women are not victims in all context.

SPEAKER_00>> Selfcore delusion. Women as victims in all contexts while dismissing the suffering of men. Men are stronger so can work longer hours. >> Men objectify women. Psychiatry helps people. Oh, we already did this one

SPEAKER_00pretty quick. >> I just want to say >> Justin Martins donated $30. Chair three, four, and five look like an inverted double stuff Oreo where the cookies are thicker than the creme. >> Wait, can you just put your feet down, please? Um,

SPEAKER_00>> I was just going to say as someone who cares about mental health care, I I care a lot about men's mental health and suffering. Chair one. When a woman and a man have kids, the parents wants and needs are no longer a priority,

SPEAKER_00including their dreams, because they have a duty to them and not themselves. Feminism is lying to you. >> I promise you, I will have my career one day. I will have my kids one day. My career will turn out fine. My kids will

SPEAKER_00turn out fine. >> Ste donated $30. The point is that when presented a logical hypothetical about optimal behavior for children, you seem to always move towards preference. The hypothetical is that we know it's

Shona (DT260)optimal in this case >> because a woman shouldn't completely base her life based on what might be more optimal for a child. If the child will still turn out fine regardless,

Brian Atlasthat's that doesn't mean you don't care about your children. So the entailment here is you wish to do that which is less optimal intentionally as it relates to children. >> I I still don't even think it's less

Brian Atlasoptimal. >> I mean I can't present to you like a study but we have pretty good uh evidence to indicate that >> my life only turned out better if my mom

Brian Atlasalso chose to work. Even if there's not a study, like it doesn't it's just not even common sense to you. Like, yeah, probably better for the woman to like actually be raising young children. >> What if like what if the only way that

Shona (DT260)the parents could fully afford like a solid college education for their child would be if both parents were to work? >> I think that would lead to a lot more benefits for that child's future. >> I mean, it would be a trade-off, but

Shona (DT260)first off, that would be 18 years. Education is one of the most important like factors in determining like outcome like successful outcome for a child. >> What >> I said I think education is one of the

Brian Atlasmost important factors when it comes to a child's eventual >> I mean the the rates of depression among men and women has absolutely skyrocketed. You see, ever since the 1980s, women have been more and more

Brian Atlasactually women since the 1980s are more likely to go to college than men. For for 40 years, more than 40 years, four decades, women have been going to college more than men.

Brian Atlas>> So, I mean, this idea that >> because you go like but we have rampant I mean there >> I'm saying going to college helps you become more successful at life. That's all I meant by that >> possibly. Yeah.

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah. I think it's like a pretty big determiner of like the kind of job you can get one day, the kind of income you can earn if you have a college degree >> from a good institution. >> Hold on. So you're are is your argument

Shona (DT260)that uh you need to have both parents working in order for somebody to go to college? >> No, I'm not saying both parents need to work. If a woman doesn't want to work and she wants to subscribe to the nuclear family thing, that's great. That's fine. She should do that. I'm not

Shona (DT260)saying every woman should go out and pursue a career. If a woman wants to have >> mic, please. >> If a woman wants to have like a traditional lifestyle and be a part of that nuclear family, then that's great and she should do that. I'm not saying all women like go be independent, go

Brian Atlashave a career. I'm just saying women should pursue what works for them and what makes them happy. And I don't think that's unreasonable. >> But once again, once you have children, there's other considerations in place.

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. if it were the case that both parents working really just screwed over the child's life and just led to that child being I'm not saying that's your claim. >> My claim is that it's optimal. >> And also I almost wonder why why don't

Brian Atlaswomen feel this draw like cuz the pres the scenario I've presented to you is you're dating like a wealthy guy to the point where that's the trade-off.

Shona (DT260)Like, wouldn't that free you up a little bit to not have to work? >> Again, you keep talking about work as if it's some kind of burden to me. I feel like I've already addressed this and I

Brian Atlasdon't want to sound redundant. >> You You don't think it's a burden to >> to have a career? I personally would really like to have a career. >> I Well, I get that you'd like it

Shona (DT260)>> and therefore it doesn't feel like if it doesn't feel like a burden to me. You don't think med school is going to be a complete slog? >> I want to do it. >> No, I know. But it's going to be a slog. >> And I like hard work.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. I mean, to each their own, I guess. Um >> I'm glad. Like that's the most important underlying value of everything I'm saying. Like to each their own. Like >> like she might be saving your life in

Shona (DT260)bed one day. Who knows? >> She might be saving my life. >> Yeah. She's a doctor and you're like in >> Yeah. Like if I can save people No, she's right. If I can save people's lives one day, that means like everything to me.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. I mean, again, my my position is simply it's less optimal for the children. You contest that. Uh I don't I don't object to women working. That's totally totally

Brian Atlasfor it. Uh I think women can actually it'd be great to have more women like doing stuff like cancer research and using I use this term in the most

Brian Atlascharitable light possible exploiting the intellect and genius of women so that we can tackle the issues of you know how do how do we fix or how do we overcome

Brian Atlasdiseases how do we develop cures for certain illnesses cancer etc etc I'd love to see the intellect of women being applied towards that but >> because women are capable apable of like so much like you mentioned earlier that how like more women are in university

Shona (DT260)than men now >> and same in like med school it's majority women I think like women have such capabilities when it comes to like pretty much like most fields like intellectual like

Brian Atlas>> I'm not saying all women shouldn't work but I guess my specific scenario where I'm just saying okay here's a scenario where you wouldn't have to work and it would be better for

Shona (DT260)your children and it would actually be quite like like most women are not going to have >> and if I did work my children would turn out great and they would reap the benefits of me working as well. >> Well, I'm going to last let the last

SPEAKER_00chats come through. Uh kind of >> tasty George donated $30. >> So many women infected with feminism are always my life, my dreams. Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me. This

SPEAKER_00is one of the reasons why many men are moving away from women, especially feminist influenced women. Chaw XD donated $30. College is broadly useless. >> Final call.

SPEAKER_00>> It's basically paying to infantilize young adults for four years where they learn almost nothing. Degrees have lost meaning. I'd trade my degree for more time with my parents.

Shona (DT260)>> College is a resource that you probably didn't utilize well enough.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Uh, okay. >> Well, then >> final call, guys. Final call. if you want to get a chat in. That's the final call. Then we're uh let me just do the final outros here. Well, I want to thank

Brian Atlasthe wonderful panel tonight for coming on. You guys were super dope. Those of you who made it to the end, uh Marie is probably back there shooting heroin or something. Um won't even join us for the

Brian Atlasuh here. Take the [ __ ] red card. Boom. Red carded. [ __ ] off. Um so anyways, just kidding. Love you. But actually uh just kidding. Uh okay. Uh

SPEAKER_00oh. L_SATs donated $30. Chair one is so cooked. She fell for the feminist girl boss mind virus. Get used to be lonely career with 10 cats.

SPEAKER_00>> I'm going to have a husband and a children and children one day. So like I >> black markers Ira donated $30. Brian, you're a beast. A solid 10. >> All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All

Brian Atlasright. Uh >> uh Norbey, you're below the threshold. Are you sending this in like Canadian or something? Uh, okay. You're below the threshold, man. And it's a little [ __ ]

Brian AtlasIt's a little too spicy. >> What is it? Where is it? >> It's a little too spicy. >> Wait, put it. >> It's We're not going to It's It's not going to be red, but I'll show it. >> Censor it. >> I'll just pull it up. Whatever it It's a

Brian Atlasdisplay, though. It's not It's not a TTS. So, there it is. There it is from Norzy. Disavow. I'm going to go ahead and disavow that. Hasty George donated

SPEAKER_00$30. But Eno aunt, once a famous hardcore feminist, condemned feminism and is now a men's rights advocate. She now speaks out against the lies of feminism.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think most major influential feminist figures backtracked on feminism, though. >> Yeah, >> good times. Uh, let's see here. Okay, thank you guys. GG. >> Well played. >> Thank you guys. You were Did you want to

Brian Atlasdo the makeup by the way? You wanted to. You're good. Okay. Uh, last call, guys. Hit the like button, please. On your way out. If there's any roast that trickle in, we'll do it. Uh, guys, please stick

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Brian Atlasguys for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere anywhere in the world, but you're here with me. I appreciate that. Thank you to the wonderful panel. Thank you guys. You

Brian Atlasguys were all dope. Um, >> thank you. You guys were sweet. So, so amazing. Loved you guys. You guys were It was a fun show. It was a fun panel. I liked it.

Brian Atlas>> Um, thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show. We couldn't do it without you guys. Thank you. Thank you. We will be live again Sunday. Or actually, you know what, guys? If you guys don't know, I've

Brian Atlasbeen doing whatever Wednesdays where it's just me and I sit down. Well, I'm going to maybe just bring on like one other person. So, maybe Felicity will do it this Wednesday. We'll see. Schedule

Brian Atlaspermitting. But whatever Wednesday is 3:00, 400 p.m. I go around live around then. I just shoot [ __ ] with you guys. Then we'll be live again with another dating talk though, Sunday 5:00 p.m. Pacific. Any girls who want to be on the

Brian Atlasshow, you can DM whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.07's in the chat. Trying to think if there's any final things here. Uh, >> who?

Brian Atlas>> For the call to action. >> Yeah, I know. >> No. >> Nope. >> Stay back there. You're in a timeout. >> [ __ ] timeout.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, boy. It's uh It's actually daycare here, by the way, guys. This is We were talking about daycare at the end. I run a adult daycare. I run an adult daycare.

Brian AtlasI have punishments, the little [ __ ] hat. I got cards, you know. Yellow card, red card, applesauce. In case they get a little fussy, in case the girls get a little fussy, we get we give them

Brian Atlas>> Huh? >> I want to pay You know what? I want to do a wholesome thing. I want to give everybody a compliment at the end of the show. Okay. Best eyebrows I've ever seen. Um,

Brian Atlas>> that >> I like your Hey, chill out. No. Oh, what the? >> Be genuine. >> Come on. That was like uh call back humor. >> Oh. >> Uh I like your teeth. >> Oh, thank you. >> You have nice teeth. I like your hair. >> Oh, thank you.

Brian Atlas>> It's very creative. And you're a hair stylist. So, >> I like your necklace. And you probably have Can we You probably have a killer double bicep. You look like you work out. >> Yes. >> She's ripped.

Brian Atlas>> Killer. >> She's ripped. Uh what? >> Ice. >> Do you lift? >> I I do. Yes. >> Okay. Well, you you're doing a good job. You got you got the >> Thank you. This is >> double biceps. Don't mess with her,

Brian Atlasguys. Don't mess with her. Um >> and uh >> you >> Sleeping Beauty. >> Yes. I love it. Sleeping Beauty.

Brian AtlasSleeping Beauty. And then uh Belington, I think she she uh disappeared. Uh Felicity, >> you are so good at putting makeup on.

Brian AtlasYou are just You know what? The >> the Russian or sorry Prussian Prussian World War I helmet really brings out the color of your eyes. >> Thanks. >> You're welcome. All right, there it is.

Brian AtlasCompliments. I don't know if they were any good, but like to say something nice. So guys, we're wrapping the stream. Leave a nice comment for me, for any of the panelists, whatever. Leave a nice comment. Helps with algo. Okay, are

SPEAKER_00we for are we forgetting something? Let me just Okay, we have one that just came through. >> That should be the last. >> Hasty George donated $30. I want to

SPEAKER_00thank the panelists for attending the podcast and to our host, Brian. Respect to the women who removed their makeup. Thank you all and good night. >> Yo, Pacey, thank you very much, man. Yo,

Brian AtlasTroy, thank you for the 10 on Venmo. Really appreciate it. All right, guys. 07's in the chat. 07's in the chat. We will see you guys next time. I hope you guys have a good night and I'll see you guys later. Good night, guys.

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