DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Brian Atlaslike a hyphenated kind of thing. >> Um, so no, >> you know, you can like combine two last names. >> Yeah, I was gonna >> But so >> so no, you wouldn't take his last name

Shona (DT260)though. You would think I'm still taking his last name. It becomes a part of your name, >> but I'd like to take my name and his name like you can do like like Alan Smith. >> But you wouldn't take his name. So what I mean like >> No, I might. It depends how I feel eventually.

Shona (DT260)>> Me completely just like >> So no hyphen. Haley Road Bieber like that, >> right? Like that. I kind of like that idea of that. Like how you >> But you won't, just to be clear, you won't. >> I wouldn't I would have to think about it. I wouldn't outright refuse it. And I don't think anything's wrong with

Daniela (DT260)wanting to take your husband's last name. It would just be my preference. >> But you would lean towards hyphenation? >> Yeah. Okay. What about you? Will you take his name or >> hyphenate? >> I'm not against it, but I think I like my last name, so I might hyphenate.

Mari>> Like your last name. Okay. >> Yeah. I same with both of them. So I' I'd either take the last name or I'd also hyphenate it. I'd like

Mari>> Well, is anybody here prepared to say >> no? You depends on the last name. >> Just take his last name >> cuz if his last name is lame, I'm not taking that [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, here just going around really quickly. Uh do you outright refuse to just take his last name? >> No, I don't refuse. you'd want to and tell me if you'd want to hyphen aid.

Daniela (DT260)>> No, but I'd like to hyphen >> like to what what if he says no? >> Well, it's not so important to me that if I met the right person that I couldn't negotiate on that. >> Like what if he insisted? He's like,

Brian Atlas"Look, >> I want to adhere to this tradition." >> Yeah, I'd do it. >> Okay. Uh will you take your husband's last name? >> Yeah, but I prefer to hyphenate. >> Prefer to hyphenate? Okay, that's a that's acceptable question answer.

Brian AtlasSorry. I'd prefer to hyphenate. >> Prefer to hyphenate. Would you absolutely not take your husband's last name? Like 100%. No, >> it's negotiable. >> Okay. What about you? Or you don't want to get married, right?

Brian Atlas>> I don't. >> Okay. So, doesn't matter then. >> Yeah, it doesn't matter. >> What about you? >> Hyphen 8. >> Hyphen 8. Won't under no circumstance take your husband's last name. >> No, I would if I have to think about I'm

Brian Atlas20. >> Well, sure. I I don't I don't expect you to get married anytime soon. Um, but you would prefer to hyphenate. >> Yes. >> Okay. What about you? >> I want his last name. >> What about you?

Brian Atlas>> I took my husband's last name. >> You took his last You are married. Okay. And then secondly, this should be the last question related to the this traditional stuff. Well, then we'll get

Brian Atlasinto open convo. Do you want your children to have your last name or to hyphenate? >> I think it would take it would make more sense if they took my husband's last

Brian Atlasname. Oh, okay. Interesting. >> I don't know. >> Pick Pick one. >> Pick one. >> Yeah. Do you prefer your children be hyphenated or take your husband's last

Daniela (DT260)name? >> I'd probably give my la my last name to be their middle name or something just to keep it in the family. >> Okay.

Mari>> Yeah, that's a good idea idea. But also give it to their like give it give them his last name. Sorry. >> Okay. What about you? >> I'd give it to my kids. >> All right. >> I'd hyphenate with my kids.

Brian Atlas>> For the kids. Okay. What about you? >> Definitely not. >> Okay. For your kids. >> Husband's last name. >> Husband's last name. >> Husband's last name. >> It's going to be his last name. >> Okay. So, um,

Brian Atlasinteresting. This whole bow thing, talking about all these things. The reason I bring it up is it seems like a lot of women want men

Brian Atlasto hold to their tradition to men's traditional gender roles, but you want to completely abandon, forsake, relinquish any traditional gender roles that relate to

Brian Atlaswomen. >> So it's like you guys want men to pay on first dates, men should pay on first dates, men should provide, men should protect, men should be chivalous, do all these things, right? But why shouldn't

Shona (DT260)women do like why is there anything that we can place on women where we can say women should >> I think you can place certain things on women. I just think the idea of bowing specifically is kind of weird and not

Shona (DT260)the same as like chivalry on the male. >> So the bow thing I'm bringing it to just generalized traditional gender roles. I'm happy to go back to the bow for a little bit. Is a woman bowing for a man? Like the whole generalization of femininity and like

Brian Atlaswhat a woman should do for a man. >> That's not the claim. That's not the claim. >> Okay. >> Well, the bow is a really easy way to gauge the degree to which women are willing to do anything that could

Brian Atlaspossibly even slightly inconvenience them for the sake of a man. And it's interesting to me though as it relates to the bow

Shona (DT260)>> that you won't even do it for the perfect man. >> I >> it's not because I don't like him enough. It's just bowing is like it's just like this ultimate act of submission. And like there's nothing >> Wait, wait, hold on. >> It seems

Brian Atlas>> it's an act of submission, >> but it's definitely not the ultimate act of submission. Like wouldn't you agree like the actual act of bowing sup like completely benign and super easy.

Shona (DT260)>> Sure it's easy but it's just it like she said there's like a weird dynamic behind that and it's like the degree of what I'm asking or like what I like that's masculine is kind of different than like the action of bowing. Like if a man has

Shona (DT260)certain expectations for me as a woman I I wouldn't believe those expectations to be like me bowing. Like there's other expectations that men have >> like okay

Brian Atlas>> what are women expected to do >> to be nurturers and to take care of the home and to like >> but if I >> carry themselves in a feminine way you know >> isn't that like feminine >> but how long do you reserve all those

Brian Atlasthings because a lot of these things like you expect men to frontload almost all this behavior the expectation there is immediately guy has to pay for the date guy should be willing to provide

Shona (DT260)protect well okay maybe not provide like obviously first date the guy's not going to buy you a house >> when I'm dating like if I'm like going into dating with a man I don't have like a checklist oh he needs to do this he needs to do this he needs to do this like I'm not approaching dating like that even when it comes to men >> do you think the guy should open like

Brian Atlasthe guy picks you up on a first date picks you up in his car uh should he open the car door for you >> I mean it's that's a nice thing for him to do that's a thoughtful thing for him to do >> it's like almost exclusively something

Brian Atlasthat men do like a traditional gender expectation on men right >> but my My question is, >> but what is there for a woman to do immediately? >> I can give you some. Well, I can give you a couple answers for sure.

Brian Atlas>> But I mean to actually your point, there's not really a ton. >> So then what is a woman supposed to do? >> I'll get I'll get there. I'll get there. My criticism though is you guys were all

Brian Atlashad this like visceral like uh bow. But it's if we even compare it to the I guess a male comparison which I would say is opening the car door.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. That takes more time and effort than the bow does. Opening the car door, get out of the car, walk around the car, open the car door. Like women are capable of opening car doors. It's

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> Like women drive all the time. They have their own cars. I guess my confusion though is like >> like what am I doing in return? >> No, it's it's I wouldn't frame it as tit

Brian Atlasfor tat. I guess we have these expectations that we place on men that in comparison to the bow take more time, more effort. Even for example, the paying for dates, the man paying for the

Brian Atlasdate >> if the So, okay. Um, what do you guys think would be like a realistic I know you could just go get pizza and it's like 20 bucks or whatever,

Brian Atlas>> but if a guy takes you to like a medium tier place or whatever, maybe he'll spend 100 bucks total. Like I think that's pretty reasonable. You even you go to Chili's, you get an appetizer, you both get drinks, you get

Brian Atlasa main course, you get a dessert, you tip the waitress, that's probably about 100 bucks, right? I don't think it'd be unrealistic for somebody. And Chili's is not like the most preeminent dating

Brian Atlasvenue, like first date venue. Some guys will spend less, some will spend more. But using this $100 dinner example,

Brian Atlasthe the bakedin expectation from women then is in order for you to go on a date with me, >> you let's say the guy works a job and he

Brian Atlasgets paid $20 an hour before tax, by the way. um he has to work five hours to take you out to dinner. And you could say, well,

Brian Atlasokay, well, what about, you know, the portion of the meal? It's 50, you know, say it's 50 for him, 50 for you, he pays 100. Okay, so then the entailment is just instead of 5 hours of work, he's working two and a half hours.

Shona (DT260)>> To reiterate, I did mention earlier if both people are like in a situation where they're kind of not on their feet yet, like moneywise, like especially in college, I could be more forgiving there. I mean, sure, I I would say maybe in college women are a little more forgiving on that front.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> I still think it would also be fair to say that even in college, women, not all women, but a large proportion of women will still have this expectation on men.

Brian AtlasSo the expectation there baked in is and let's say the guy works some like super physically laborious job like he's a laborer. He's digging ditches or whatever or he's

Brian Atlas>> working like a really shitty um >> retail job or some [ __ ] Not fun, right? >> Okay. In order for him to

Brian Atlasgo on a date with you, it's got to work two and a half hours. So that's my confusion with the objection to the bow is it's free. It takes it takes three seconds, no effort,

Shona (DT260)but you >> is that really what men want in return in terms of for all like chivalry. They want a bow. Is that like the ultimate expectation of women in like dating culture that men want secretly? >> Most men probably don't want this, >> right? They don't really care about that. So that's

Brian Atlas>> I'm looking at this from a bird's eye view. I'm like I'm looking at it. I'm looking at the chess board and I'm like, >> "Hold on." >> Every single woman here except for I think you two. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Ew. Visceral response. The bow. What? Wouldn't bow. That's uh what weird. Whatever. >> Cuz that's not even what most men are looking for. Like you said, it's just

Daniela (DT260)kind of this weird outlandish thing. >> I feel like it's not the best support for your argument. Like the bow is not comparison to a man opening the door. Like I feel like

Daniela (DT260)>> I think it's comparable, but go ahead. >> Oh, well I think it's a lot less casual, but um I think there's certain compromises and you kind of figure out it's not like women aren't doing

Daniela (DT260)anything. Like I'd pay for dessert instead of them or you'd be conscious of their financial situation and not spend as much. But it's like there's certain

Daniela (DT260)actions that I feel like like women also compensate in the same way. So it's not such a harsh like oh these are all the expectations like women have like men have just as much. So I don't know I

Brian Atlasdon't really get that. >> Well I the the comparison is quite simple. It's you object to the bow would never do it. But like if we look at the duties and burdens and traditional

Brian Atlasgender role expectations of men if it is the case and look some women are fine going 50/50 whatever. Most women will never pay for a full date though. That's exceedingly rare.

Brian Atlas>> That's besides the point, though. >> Uh there is a quite a bit of an expectation men should pay on first dates. >> Again, that means that men should, if he

Brian Atlasmakes $20 an hour, some men make way less than that, he has to work two, three, four hours to take you out. And I'm thinking in my

Brian Atlashead, it's like, imagine if I were to verbalize to a woman, you know what? I don't need the bow, but go work for some corporation for two, three, four hours so you have so I'll even consider going

Brian Atlason a date with you. You women would be like, "The [ __ ] you want me to like, I don't know, go work at Nordstrom's or some [ __ ] for 2, three, four hours so I can go on a date with you?" You would laugh. You guys would think that's

Brian Atlasridiculous. I guess what I'm pointing out is the bow thing is a really small ask I think whereas women have you you pro privilege is invisible to those who

Brian Atlashave it you probably haven't even considered the re the reality of some guy and there's a lot of people who work retail who work service jobs who really don't get paid a

Daniela (DT260)a bunch should we just like do some uh should we bar them from dating because they don't make a lot of money >> I think well I mean I've worked plenty

Daniela (DT260)of jobs. Like I've paid for men. Like these things don't I think I would not ask for something that they weren't willing to give in the first place. So

Daniela (DT260)it's I'm not expecting them to pay, but if they do, then they do. And then where that goes from then on is just how compatible like who we are. There's no

Daniela (DT260)asking, I think, or I don't know. That's not how I approach relationships. Well, okay. Um, I guess again though my

Brian Atlasconfusion here, I mean, how about this? Is there what is something that we can say women should do? Like should

Daniela (DT260)a woman when she's in a relationship with a man, should she do his laundry? >> Yes. >> I don't think there's like shoulds. Like I think if the woman wants to and she

Daniela (DT260)does and then the man likes that then yeah cuz not all relationships are built under this like structure. >> But the thing is is that uh

Brian Atlasmale traditional gender roles don't seem quite as negotiable. So it's like look there are women who are fine with 50/50. Although even a lot of these like liberal feminist

Brian Atlasprogressive women, they still prefer still want men to pay for pay for dates. So I mean I >> Okay, but I want to understand like

Shona (DT260)overall like >> you have this frustration with like women wanting certain things but then like oh >> I am not frustrated by it. >> Well like you think it's like one-sided like oh like women want chivalry but then men can't want anything. So, I'm

Shona (DT260)just curious like what is it that men like today like within dating culture want that women should provide cuz like the the bow again that's not you already said that's not representative of what men overall want for women. So, what is

Brian Atlasthe expectation that men have? >> I think men have very low uh >> honestly it doesn't take much to please men. >> Doesn't take much. >> I don't think you got to do all this extraneous [ __ ] the same way that men

Brian Atlasdo. Um, >> but you do have this like frustration about it being one-sided. So, I'm trying to like reconcile that and understand. >> Well, I So, I I don't Well, my frustration stems more so from I'm fine

Brian Atlaswith I'm fine with traditional gender roles. I'm totally fine with it. >> Yeah. But my issue comes from when women hold men to their traditional gender

Brian Atlasroles, especially when these women tend to be more egalitarian or progressive or liberal >> in, you know, all other regards. But as

Brian Atlasit relates strictly to dating, they want modernity for themselves, >> but they want tradition for men. They want the benefits of modernity. They

Brian Atlaswant the benefits of tradition and they want to and they want to pick they like equality is a buffet to women. >> You want to pick and choose >> the equality that best suits you. And if

Brian Atlasany form of equality could somehow come to your detriment, paying going 50/50, like taking a more proactive role when it comes to dating and courtship, which

Shona (DT260)like even super liberal women like >> really not that proactive, then yes. Well, I would say like I mean I don't believe you can hold someone to like a full-on traditional standard and then completely reject him when it comes

Shona (DT260)to you. Like personally, again like you mentioned the whole thing about men being providers. I don't expect a man to completely provide for me. Like I plan on earning my own money. So that's me having my own financial stability, the whole protector thing. Like a it's nice

Shona (DT260)if a man has protective instincts, but I also plan on being able to protect myself. So >> how are you gonna do that? >> Aren't you Would you ever Do you own a gun? Would you ever >> I own pepper spray like again? But like

Brian Atlasis is a man is a man like pulling out a gun to defend me. >> Super quick segue here. >> Oh god. >> Um you you live >> you you you live alone or whatever and

Brian Atlassomebody breaks into your house and it's a man. Uh you don't know if they have a knife, you don't know if they have a gun. Um

Shona (DT260)>> how would you best be able to go about defending yourself in that situation? I likely wouldn't be able to, but I don't plan on owning a gun because I'm not comfortable with that. I would just

Shona (DT260)try and call 911 or something or escape as soon as possible. Like I I that doesn't mean I have to own a gun. >> I mean, if you could even get to the phone in that time. >> Yeah, I might I might die. I just don't plan on owning a gun. >> Like the thing with police, right? The thing you have to understand when it

Brian Atlascomes to self-defense, after you've been murdered, the police will show up and investigate the crime

Brian Atlasscene, but police will take 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 15 minutes to show up to the active home invasion. >> If someone invaded my home and tried to

Brian Atlaskill me, I'd probably die. >> Well, seconds matter in this situ. Like unless the police are gone. >> Unless even if the police were like kicking it outside your house, >> I'm probably dead.

Brian Atlas>> It's inclined to murder you. Yeah, it's >> then I would probably get murdered. >> Does anybody else off of the gun thing though want to weigh in on the ongoing

Brian Atlasconversation about anybody have thoughts on this? My point here is basically just we we say men should do.

Brian AtlasAre you [ __ ] snoring? Hello? >> Are you snoring, bro?

Swanie>> My turn to talk.

Brian Atlas>> Chat, what do we do here, bro? This is We can't We can't have people snoring on the show, man. Uh, here's what we're going to do. All right. And then your girlfriend over

Marithere is also snoring. I'm not snoring. >> I'm giving you a yellow card. I'm giving you a yellow card. >> Okay, fine. >> When you get the red card, >> everything she was >> um hold on. Where's the [ __ ] dunce

Brian Atlascap? Hold on. >> Oh god. >> I get to wear a helmet. >> You get to wear this for 5 minutes >> because you snore. That's That's your punishment.

Brian Atlas>> Uh yellow card. Yellow card. >> Punishment is better than getting kicked out. And uh but hey, you're on the warning because I have a red card ready to go. So, okay, where was I? Before the [ __ ] >> we're talking about gender roles or

Brian Atlasguns. >> We moved on. I was asking I think the other panelists if anybody else wanted to weigh in on >> can barely fit on my head, but >> interesting how that works. >> Nobody. Come on. You got something. Come

Kiraon. >> I think your yes or no questions don't properly encapsulate like what goes on. I don't think I'm expecting a lot from >> a man in this case that I

Brian Atlas>> Let me interrupt you super quick. Do you see the cop the helicopter on her head? >> Actually, I'm going to have Bella do it. Bella, I need to spin her helicopter for me. >> I can spin it. >> Spin it. >> No, Bella's going to do it for you. >> You got this, Bella.

Kira>> All right. >> Bella, Bella, >> it go. >> Nice. Okay. Sorry. Continue with your point. I apologize.

Kira>> You're good. Um, yeah. I think that it's nice to pay on a first date, although I wouldn't expect it and I

Kirawould go on a second if it went well if I was to pay for the whole thing. >> Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> No, you're fine. >> Behind the scenes stuff. Go ahead. My apologies.

Kira>> Yeah. I just think I'm not expecting that much more out of a man in this case than I expect from myself. I think like the relationship I'm in right now is pretty even. We've like talked about it

Kiraand I I think he said like he thinks he's maybe like spent $200 more than me in the relationship and we've been together for a while. So,

Brian Atlas>> um chivalry is nice. It's not expected. Providing is nice. It's not expected. So, >> well, look, I'll absolutely grant that

Brian Atlasthere are relationships that are pretty equitable and but I don't think that this is the majority of relationships. I do think that there is a tendency to place certain more chivalous traditional

Brian Atlasgender roles >> on men. Uh just because there are examples like yours where don't deny it 100% the case. There's absolutely like super egalitarian relationships.

Brian AtlasAlthough I would probably say like in terms of who uh front-loaded the initiative, like who made the first move, was it mostly him? >> Yeah. >> Like he asked you out. >> He approached me. Yeah. >> He approached you. He planned Did he plan the first date?

Brian Atlas>> He did plan. >> Did he Did he pay for the first date? >> He did pay. >> So even with you, you're very It sounds like you're very egalitarian person, but at least during the initial stages of the relationship, it did play out in a

Brian Atlasmore uh traditional way, I guess you could say. Uh, so I would point that out. But again, I'm just what are the shoulds that we can place on women? >> Can I say something?

Bella (Econ)>> Sure. Go ahead. >> I feel like when a guy when you said gender roles, like they open the door and stuff, I feel like they enjoy doing that. Like I don't think they expect anything.

Brian Atlas>> But why have we propagandized women to not enjoying >> Wait, >> their traditional gender roles? Oh, sorry. Did you I didn't mean to cut you

Bella (Econ)off if you had more. Um, I just So, what exactly would you say in this day and age is our gender role? It's just like laundry and food. >> Oh, I mean there's a whole bunch of different things. I mean, there's a

Brian Atlaswhole bunch of different things, >> but if we're if we're looking at specific actions, you could say some of the household duties. Absolutely. This obviously would manifest itself more so when people are like living together.

Bella (Econ)Uh, perhaps. So, like for right now in our age, like if they just were both making our own money, both doing school, but not like having a full job and living together, >> I feel like just opening the door and

Brian Atlasdoing those chivalous things >> are just kind of like I mean, it's your boyfriend or girlfriend. I mean, >> it's what you should just do. >> That's a fair point. There's not there's not a whole bunch of things that women can do early on, but I mean, one of the

Brian Atlaskey things would be at least >> being feminine, I suppose. um and being submissive. But women, I think, want to reject being submissive.

Shona (DT260)>> But what is realistically being feminine in like the dating phase of a relationship? >> Cuz like again about it's it's it's like this outlandish example. So like realistically like

Shona (DT260)>> I feel like bowing was also not a great example for today. >> Yeah. Like what are most men who actually women can do in the dating phase to like reconcile the different standards? >> Yeah. So as it relates to the bow, I

Brian Atlasdon't think I I understand that it's unique, but the essence of like the underlying essence of it, it's not something that just coalesed out of the

Brian Atlasether like there is some greater component to the bow that is rooted in a more

Brian Atlassubmissive dynamic and this idea that you >> No, it's not even sexual thing. It's this idea that women will defer to male leadership. So this there's this

Brian Atlascomponent of dating like and women say they want men who are decisive and take action and are leaders. >> I've heard that. And look, maybe not all women. Just by the way, everything I

Brian Atlassay, it's not all men, not all women. Just want to throw that out there. >> General principles here. >> Can I add to that? >> One thing. Hold on. One thing. And so

Brian Atlasyou'll have women who say, "Well, my boyfriend just constantly I'm like he's like I ask him, uh, what what do you want to eat?" And he's like, "Oh, whatever you want, babe." Like they'll

Brian Atlasdislike that sort of indecisiveness in men. But I think that there women want men to be leaders >> to have like that nature, right?

Brian Atlas>> That nature to them. But I see a lack of women willing to be followers because I can't lead somebody who there can't be a

Brian Atlascooperation like she if she's going to be like mutinous or that's a crazy word mute mut like have a mutiny or some [ __ ] I can't lead somebody that's not

Brian Atlaswilling to follow. So if you want to follow my lead, if you want me to be a leader, >> then you want >> you need followers, which means you need to defer to my leadership.

Daniela (DT260)>> But the leader follower relationship is not like the equal dynamic that you're like advocating for cuz obviously there's >> I'm not advocating for equal in terms of

Shona (DT260)like women being just as chivalous as men, like equal expectation, but that's the conversation. >> I get what you're saying. So you're saying like, okay, like women want men to have like this kind of decisive

Shona (DT260)leader nature, right? And like women should have the nature that corresponds to that of being like kind of followers. And I think that >> like women being like kind of having like a soft, gentle, caring, kind, I

Shona (DT260)think that nature that women can have, which is reasonable. I think that that's something that like I'd be willing to do in a relationship. I think that's reasonable. >> I think and that's like the underlying nature I guess you're pointing out behind bowing. if I'm not wrong.

Shona (DT260)>> True. >> Like the sub the submissiveness. So I don't think there's >> anything wrong with I I can agree with women like the expectation of women having that nature so long as it's not something weird like bowing that I wouldn't be comfortable doing.

Brian Atlas>> So I think that's how women could correspond to the expectation for men, >> right? But I don't see women doing that for example. I mean even even the things that you would expect even deepen the relationship. You want to get you want

Brian Atlasto get married. That's super traditional, but hyphenate. Uh, keep my last name. Uh, kids hyphenate. >> And if if the man I'm with like talked to me and was like, "Oh, I would really

Shona (DT260)prefer it if you took my last name." Again, earlier I I didn't say I would outright refuse to do that. I would be >> But it would be a conversation, right? >> But it's again like, isn't that healthy to have a conversation about that?

Brian Atlas>> Well, it seems like again women's roles are negotiable here. So, for example, for the women here who said men should pay on first dates, Is that even >> Hold on. Hold on. >> For the women here who said men should

Brian Atlaspay on first dates and that's your position. You're going to have a massive issue if the guy wants to negotiate that role. He's like, "Hey, um, I know I asked you on the first

Brian Atlasdate, blah blah blah, but like how do you feel about going 50/50?" Some women might be okay with that. Feel like a lot of women are going to be like, you want to negotiate, like you want to have a

Brian Atlascom. Women are not going to tolerate the but hold on let's negotiate. Let's have the conversation or it's like babe I want to negotiate if I'm gonna protect you. I want to negotiate the protection.

Shona (DT260)>> I think taking a man's last name is a bigger action than a man opening a door for you. That's like your name. That's like your identity. That's kind of a bigger thing. >> Sure. I agree. >> Which is why that's more of a conversation than like little acts of

Brian Atlaschivalry that I'd prefer. >> Well, hold on. I mean, that's one comparison, but if we're looking at like I would argue the total act of being a

Brian Atlasprovider is a way bigger ask than the woman taking one day to go to the courthouse to apply to get a name change and doing the corresponding. Okay, you got to change some [ __ ] with your bank,

Shona (DT260)whatever, blah blah blah. >> It's really not that difficult. >> I don't expect a man to financially cover all my needs. I plan to cover my own needs, too. Didn't you say you want to take some time off when you

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And in return for that, I'm going to be raising a child, right? >> Yes. >> So, that makes up for that. >> That would be one of your feminine duties, >> which I said which I said is acceptable for there to be feminine duties,

Brian Atlas>> right? But it seems like there's a complete rejection of some of the more traditional dynamics. Like for example, you when the guy proposes to you, you said you do you

Brian Atlaswant the guy to propose? Like should he be the one who proposes? Should he get down on Ah, here we go. This is the perfect one. Should a man get down on one knee to propose?

Brian Atlas>> Like you wouldn't want Go ahead. Sorry. Answer the question. >> I mean, that's kind of like the image of a proposal, >> the the tradition, right? You wouldn't want a guy to just Daniela

Shona (DT260)just throw it at you, hits your head. You wouldn't want that. >> I would want that. You want a guy to just >> Oh, sorry. To like to be catch. Oh, sorry. I thought you meaged now. >> I thought you meant kneeling. I would like it if a man like

Brian Atlas>> kneel. Yeah. Got down. >> But that's something that is common and expected. >> It's You know what's crazy? Getting down on one knee. It's interesting. Getting down on one knee is way more submissive

Brian Atlasand like [ __ ] >> Is it really? >> Oh yeah. Getting down. Do you think a man getting down on one knee? Please, will you marry? It's way [ __ ] When if you propose to your wife one day, would you

Brian Atlas>> way she's laughing cuz she's like, "Wait, hold on. That makes sense." But it's way like >> it's not really submissive. >> Would you Okay, question. Would you rather bow or would you rather get down on one knee? >> Get down on one knee

Shona (DT260)>> for bowing. >> Yeah, because bowing is bowing is like, "Oh, like you're my master or some weird [ __ ] like that." Like getting down on one like that doesn't have the same conotations. >> Just to like show that you care and like your intentions. If you do it so

Daniela (DT260)casually, then it's like, "Oh, it's not slide that [ __ ] across. I think it's a big ass. >> We're engaged now. >> Well, I mean, if that's your relationship with each other and then you know each other that well, then I guess >> Oh, how about this? How much should a

Brian Atlasguy pay on the for the ring? >> Like if you just bought like this is from Amazon, right? Like 10 bucks. Would you guys be happy with that? You know, $10 ring? >> I would. >> Okay. Well, my point is that I'm willing >> I love rings. I don't care how they

Shona (DT260)look. >> Okay. I'm willing to take on a degree of feminine duties so long as the man is willing. >> Who are you talking to? By the way, you just been looking down here this entire show. >> Sorry. >> Okay.

Shona (DT260)>> I was just saying I'm I think it's acceptable for women to take on feminine duties the same way it is for a man to do that. And it doesn't have to be like a complete set of things that you have to do on both sides. >> Okay. >> Like can I chime in on something? >> Yeah. Yeah, sure.

Love>> Okay. So, with the traditional me male roles, I can kind of see what you're saying on the topic of like there's not a lot for women to do outside of living with one another. Like, in order to do someone's laundry, you kind of have to

Lovego to their house and do that. Like, that's a lot more work than just opening the door, per se. >> Well, I believe the girl should bow or sorry, not bow. Well, she should uh she should do the laundry like first date. >> What? First date?

Brian Atlas>> Bell? >> Okay. Going on a date to the laundry room? >> No. No. Like, well, okay. Let me rephrase. The first time the first time the girl comes over to my house, she should do the laundry. >> I feel like that's crazy.

Brian Atlas>> That's so valid. >> But I It's over happen to you. You want the laundry. >> You want You want to go do it the laundry? >> You want to do your laundry?

Brian Atlas>> No, but like why your laundry? Why not >> you do your own laundry? >> Because you know what? You know, like how when You can take the hat off, by

Swaniethe way. Um >> I mean, I'll like to keep it on. It's cute. >> Okay. >> All right. Do you >> want me to clip it? >> Yeah. >> So, I'm just your own laundry. It's fair for you to just do it yourself, right?

Brian Atlas>> Look, a woman will not get your girl to do it. >> A woman will fold laundry with love. And it's just when I put that t-shirt on that she folded, it just warms my heart. And I, you know, it's better that the

Brian Atlaswoman does it. >> So, do your laundry, but let your girl fold it. >> No. Well, look, sometime I'll be nice. I'll be nice. So, I'll I'll put it in

Brian Atlasthe wash and then maybe I'll put in the dryer, but she folds it first time. Second time though, she does the whole thing cuz I'm a gentleman like that. >> Okay, now that sounds better.

Brian Atlas>> You Bella, you had a strong reaction there. You >> Well, I just >> into the mic a little closer. Sorry. I think it's funny. >> It It's funny because it's true. Um, >> private chat. >> Private chat. Okay, hold on. Uh, we have

Shona (DT260)some chats coming through. We're going to stick We're going to come back to this convo, though. Can you read this one for me? >> Sorry, Brian, but bowing for a woman is insane. >> That act in in itself would ruin the

Shona (DT260)gender polarity attraction. Submissive behavior from a woman is attractive, not the other way around. Massive Ltake. Okay. All right. Um

SPEAKER_00Okay. >> Blaze donated $200. Ephesians 5:22. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the

SPEAKER_00Lord. First Timothy 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to us authority over the man, but to be in silence. >> The thing is though is I don't think any

Loveof the women here are Christian. Oh, I'm Catholic. >> I'm Catholic. >> You're Catholic? >> Well, I wasn't wait. Hold on. >> Christian. Wait. Oh, Catholic. >> You're Catholic. You're Christian. What's >> You're Oh, you're both Catholic. >> I was baptized.

Swanie>> What? Yeah. >> I was Catholic, but I used to be a Buddhist and I practiced Hinduism. >> [ __ ] yeah. I love that for you. >> Yeah, >> you were the best Buddhist ever.

Brian AtlasAnyways, um we have more chats coming through, but hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Let me try to find that again. Where is it?

Brian AtlasThere's more chats coming through. Where was it? Ephesians 5:22. Wives, submit yourselves onto your own husbands. And by the way, like you guys won't take your husband's last name, but you're Catholics. >> I didn't say that. >> You said you want

Bella (Econ)>> I said I would hyphenate it. I said I wouldn't know cuz I'm 20 in college and don't know how. >> But scripture is clear. Scripture is clear. >> I wouldn't get married. I would outdated. >> It's outdated >> a little bit.

Brian Atlas>> Scripture, I guess, or whatever or not even really. It's just >> everything changes. >> Well, isn't marriage just outdated? Just don't get married. Are >> you religious? >> Yeah. Or not. >> Am I? >> I'm uh so I have very pro-Christian sentiments, but I'm actually agnostic.

Mari>> Oh, >> cuz I actually I get agnostic sentiment. >> You're agnostic. That makes so much sense. >> Okay, cool. I think >> Why do you take that as a bad way? Like I wasn't even saying it. I think Christianity is a massive positive

Brian Atlasforce. >> What the [ __ ] >> But my belief isn't there. So, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Maybe one day it will be. >> But at this point, I'm agnostic. >> Count on my word.

Daniela (DT260)>> Be open-minded. >> Like in the sense Oh, >> no. Go ahead. >> In the sense that like you're kind of a skeptic or like you're open to other beliefs being possible or like what kind

Brian Atlasof agnosticism? I know some people think of it differently. Um, so I guess just the belief, the actual belief in God, like I don't my maybe it's something

Brian Atlasthat'll come to me eventually, but in terms of the actual like the benefits to society as it relates to Christianity, I think really good, very I I

Brian Atlasthink Christians are great. Don't have any issue with it. Um, but part and you know, it's interesting part of being a Christian is you you shouldn't lie as a Christian. So it would like benefit me

Brian Atlasin various ways to claim I'm a Christian. But until I actually have the belief, then I would never call myself a Christian if I don't actually believe.

Shona (DT260)>> That's maybe one day it'll be there. Um but uh yeah. >> Do you have any other like support or like positive sentiment with other religions? uh just out of

Brian Atlas>> do I I mean I probably have some favoritism towards Christianity just because >> it's more familiar to you maybe. >> Sure. Perhaps it's more familiar. Um but I think the actual uh doctrine itself

Brian Atlasand by the way I'm not like a theologian so I'm not an expert >> but the actual um uh it's more compelling to me than other religions.

Brian Atlas>> So if you found religion one day it would most likely be Christianity. Yes. >> What about Judaism? Because like Judeo-Christian values kind of go hand in hand. >> They're pretty different religions. They're like super different,

Brian Atlas>> but there's some >> I mean I Yeah. But I don't want to get into like criticisms of different religions and stuff or whatever, but >> um if if Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Anyways, okay. Wait, we had to get back to the Oh, the the last name thing. Last name Christian, Catholic. But >> also won't be submissive. Take it. >> Wait, >> what? >> Go ahead, Bella. You got this. We

Brian Atlasbelieve in you. >> Bella,

SPEAKER_00>> I think bowing is >> Oh, sorry. I'll let you come in. >> Donated $200. >> Sorry for the delay, dude. Sorry. >> Many weird things for women, such as bowing during a proposal. >> Wouldn't a woman wanting to bow

SPEAKER_00occasionally for the man she likes and respects be considered a lovely and romantic thing to do? >> It would. It would be. Would it make your heartbeat a little more like that

Daniela (DT260)kind of romantic or like is it like a it feels good? >> The truth, you know, honestly the truth is

Brian AtlasI don't actually care for the bow >> and it sounds like you do though. >> I want it, but it's not necessarily

Brian Atlasbecause I'm like I must have this. It's a temperature check for like even if she were just to verbalize, oh yeah, I'm totally fine with a bow, like I would absolutely do it. If she showed

Brian Atlasenthusiasm there, I actually like probably like if she doesn't do it, I'm not like I don't care. But it's a temperature check for is she going to be

Brian Atlassubmissive to me in other ways? Is she going to defer to me in other ways? If she won't defer to me on this, she's not gonna defer to me on pretty much anything in the relationship. >> Well, it's like a bow if you care about

Brian Atlasme kind of thing or like >> No, not even. It's just I want to see the willingness there. >> Mhm. >> And like

Daniela (DT260)we're I if she's not willing, then I'm going to be questioning, well, what else is she going to fight me for? >> Well, that's a better intention. Like just to see like their devotion. Like I

Daniela (DT260)get that, but if it was to like show an act of submission like forceful like in that kind of sense, then I force one. >> Well, I feel like a submission thing is like, oh, you're like I don't know. I

Daniela (DT260)feel like it kind of alludes to maybe that kind of dynamic, but um yeah, I don't know. I feel like the intention is important. So, it's like if that was the case, then I think a lot of people would give maybe different answers.

SPEAKER_00>> Same. Yeah. >> Uh okay, we have Pasty George here. Pasty George donated $200. >> He's got a crush on. It's cool that you question CK and the events surrounding

SPEAKER_00him as well as other things, but the feminism that you clearly are infected with is going to be your downfall. >> I think the feminism I believe in is

Shona (DT260)women having agency over the decisions they make and pursuing what they want to pursue. And I don't think that's going to lead to my downfall. H. We have another one from Tasty George. And then another one.

SPEAKER_00>> Tasty George donated $200. A man getting down on one knee to propose marriage to the woman he is in love with is a traditional humiliation as well as a submission ritual. And

Shona (DT260)that's just one of many. What do women do? >> There's nothing children. >> Are they? >> I mean, I would want to in my relationship one day. >> I'll get you. I'll get you in in just a

SPEAKER_00sec, Bella. No, it's okay. >> Just one. >> That's like the whole thing with >> We can't just skip over you. Bella >> had donated $200. >> To the Catholics on the panel, did you go to mass this morning?

Daniela (DT260)>> I asked I was going to go to church and then I said it was at 7:00 and then you guys said I wouldn't be able to make it. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Same thing also.

Brian Atlas>> But I went last Sunday. That's fine. >> Yeah. I went I met the Pope like a little bit ago. Um, wait. Like the >> Well, I He like >> Wait, wait. Instant. >> Hold on. You're talking about the pope

Brian Atlasof the Vatican. >> What other pope? >> Oh, you meant the pope. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I thought you were talking about like a local priest or something. Okay. Moving off of that though. Um, really

Brian Atlasquick question though. Um, you said, you know, you've never really done anything with guys. You're a virgin. Are you waiting until marriage >> to >> I'm waiting till I see that kind of commitment

Daniela (DT260)where it's like that kind of devotion like I'm want that in any sense of dating. >> Okay. All right. Um >> there was a chat just before that went away. >> Yes. I'll have you read it. Thank you

Shona (DT260)for bringing that to my attention. >> Chair one was asking what men want. Most men want non-feminist submissive home oriented like cooking low body count.

Shona (DT260)Chair 5's ex-boyfriend's mom was spot on about her. All of them are toxic except for Chair Nine. >> All of them are toxic. Oh my. Are you guys going to allow the

Shona (DT260)>> I think if a man wants a woman who's who want who is home oriented and has a low body count, that's okay and there's nothing wrong with that. I can accept that. >> And then can you read this?

Shona (DT260)>> Nobody wants a Jenner. We want a real woman. Men are willing to give you their whole world. Why can't you give that back? A bow is the least that we ask for. If you're bringing nothing to the table, >> I think value is relational. If you add

Shona (DT260)something to a man's life and he adds something to yours, you're both inherently valuable to each other. So, I don't think women are bringing nothing to the table in a relationship. >> Thank you for the super chat. Appreciate

Brian Atlasthat. And uh let's see here. We had Oh, Bella, you had something. Go ahead. >> I forgot. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh hold on. I want to

Brian Atlasdouble check. Was there another one that came through? Feel like we had one that [ __ ] Did we miss a hundred?

Brian AtlasMassive. Did we read this one from Dave? >> Yeah, we read that one. >> Did we read it? Yeah. Okay. Kablaskque, I promise you we're gonna get the champagne. I just I gotta finish up a few more things related to this because

Brian Atlasit's all related, but I promise I'll get it. We have a couple chats here. Um, sorry, this one's below the threshold. Then we'll do 100. I'll have you read the 100 one. Oh, wait. Maybe I did pull

Brian Atlasthis one up earlier. Go, Brian. Thank for that. Uh, oh, wait. We might have Did we Do you want to just read it? I think we might have pulled it, but whatever. >> We did read that. >> And then did this one come through? Are

Brian Atlasyou sure we read that? >> I think we did. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I might have Who is this? Who sent this one in? It's coming in just sorry guys for the delay. $200 TTS read 100. Did this

Brian Atlas>> Mario wisdom donated $200? >> Did it Mexican American Marine Kirk? >> Oh [ __ ] >> All right. Uh okay. We're going to do

Brian Atlasuh Are you coming back to the table? Oh, she's eating. Okay. Oh, this one's crazy. [ __ ] Okay, whatever.

Brian AtlasUh hold on. Oh boy. All right. [ __ ] it. Whatever. We'll we'll do it. Hello. Oh, we're waiting on the skip. Okay. One sec, guys. It's coming in.

Shona (DT260)Uh, can you read this one from >> Andrew Tate? Would you falsely accuse accuse a man of Would you falsely accuse a man of for >> There's a grape emoji, but it's not showing it. >> Oh.

Shona (DT260)>> So, >> for $100,000, for a million dollars? What about Oh, what about if you could go back in time and stop Donald Trump for becoming president? I would not falsely accuse a man of rape for any

Shona (DT260)amount of money. That's disgusting. >> Or even going back in time and Trump would impeach president. >> I mean, if if there's a way for Trump to I mean, he got democratically elected. So, as much as I don't like him, >> that's that's like misinformation. Why are you

Shona (DT260)>> No, no, sorry. He got >> Why are you air quoting that? >> I just don't like Trump. Okay. But anyways, he got democratically elected. So, I wouldn't go back in time and prevent that from happening. >> Okay. What about you? Would you >> uh I would never >> Can I just have you scoot into the table

Daniela (DT260)just a little bit? >> Yeah. >> You wouldn't what? >> I would never falsely accuse someone. >> Okay. Even for money, even >> circumstance. >> Okay. What about you?

Brian Atlas>> Falsely accuse. Wait. Accuse someone. >> I was I literally just got back. >> Would you falsely accuse a man of essay for $100,000? >> No. >> A million dollars? Mhm.

Swanie>> to prevent president to prevent Trump from becoming president. >> Okay. What about you? >> No. >> No. >> None. Nothing. >> Okay.

SwanieOkay. So, to prevent Shrin from becoming president, I'm like, he's already a felon, so what does that even make?

Swanie>> Law fair. New York State law fair. And it was what? [ __ ] petty financial [ __ ] I'm just saying he's already a felon. So what good does that make if I choose to make it?

Brian Atlas>> Whoa. Whoa. Oh my god. Why do you got to go there? Um, first off, no he didn't. >> So you're saying he's an fake news. >> So you're saying he's an art felon? >> No, I'm responding to her. She says

Brian AtlasTrump was never You didn't make that clear. That's why rape. >> She won the case and she >> You don't even It was a civil case. massive lawfare going on against Trump.

Brian AtlasUh he wasn't convicted of rape >> as far as I'm concerned. >> Well, he wasn't convicted of rape, but he had 30 charges. >> There were like financial he forgot to I I don't know the details on that. It was

Brian Atlascompletely [ __ ] uh political theater law fair. There's some like financial I don't know what was it, Nick. He paid for something or didn't do proper accounting on some [ __ ] Whatever. So

Brian Atlaswould you say Trump has never sexually harassed or assaulted a woman ever? >> Well, I couldn't say that definitively because I don't know. >> There but there has beyond a reasonable signs point to yes. Okay. Why what

Shona (DT260)prevents somebody from accusing you of having like been a pedophile? >> Signs point to yes. >> Nothing. But I'm saying there's there's a lot of claims against Trump and there's a lot of charges that have been brought up. >> You realize Trump is like the most hated

Brian Atlasman in the world and like >> I wonder why. >> Uh yeah. Well, so there's things himself there's massive amounts of political motivation. Do you think people just don't lie?

Brian Atlas>> What what what is that pointing to? >> People will murder people for like billion years or never good people. >> People will absolutely lie about a bunch of things. if it's politically expedient

Brian Atlasto like make a false claim about a politician. We saw this happen with a bunch of politicians and both, you know, it happened with with Democrats too, but uh as it relates to Trump, as it relates

Brian Atlasto Kavanaaugh, these claims, like if you actually look into these cases and look, it's >> there are valid claims of these crimes, but if you look at these specific allegations,

Brian Atlasthese are like happened 20, 30 years ago. And the the claims are so ridiculously vague. It's completely lawfare. These women are politically motivated and they're kind of mentally unwell.

Shona (DT260)>> So, okay, most politicians don't have as many charges and claims about relating to like >> Donald Trump is the preeminent politician for the past decade. >> Most presidents haven't had that many charges and claims relating to sexual

Brian Atlasharassment and assault. >> I'm Okay, hold on. Hold on. >> Let me just one point. There's a massive political machine that want wanted to do pretty much everything they possibly

Brian Atlascould to ensure that President Trump could not become president again. Massive massive political machine to do it. So they tried to assassinate him

Brian Atlasmore than two time. It was twice, but I think maybe even other attempts. So look, we don't know the truth of what happened here, but if you actually looked at the the specific person you're referencing and then especially if we

Brian Atlaslook at this Kavanaaugh thing, I don't know if you recall what happened with the Supreme Supreme Court Justice Kavanaaugh, massive political incentive to lie about this. As far as my understanding goes and that I'm aware,

Brian Atlasthere was a woman who brought a charge against Trump, a civil claim, which by the way, the uh the the threshold for evidence uh so in criminal cases, it's

Brian Atlasbeyond a reasonable doubt. The the threshold is far lower. Not to mention, who knows the jury selection in in New York. massive massive political interest

Brian Atlasin making sure this person was prosecuted so or not prosecuted, excuse me, found guilty of this. Like would you acknowledge that somebody could be well

Brian Atlasin civil cases it's found liable I guess but even in uh found guilty for criminal cases. I don't think guilt they they use

Brian Atlasthe term guilt in civil cases. Would you agree that you could be found guilty of a crime but not have actually committed the crime? Like, is it possible? >> Yeah, false incarceration happens all

Brian Atlasthe time. >> Exonerations all the time. We see this all the time, especially if this is something that's important to you. We actually see black men frequently thrown under the bus by white women who either

Brian Atlasexperience regret or social shame for having had a consensual sexual encounter with a black man. There's all kinds of reasons why these fake allegations are made. >> Allegations we sure there are absolutely

Brian Atlasthis this crime is absolutely something that happens. But we see a like a disproportionate impact on black men for example where they've been in prison for years and years and years and they have

Brian Atlastheir life ruined by a false allegation of this sort. I mean, again, like when it comes to Trump, I'm just like when I'm considering, okay, what could be true?

Shona (DT260)And I see a large amount of claims brought up against Trump regarding sexual harassment, sexual assault. And I've also like heard the statements he's made like, oh, grab them by, you know, that kind of thing that he said. Also,

Shona (DT260)like the even the weird stuff he's the weird like ways he's acted towards women. Actually, in the high school I went to, they had like a a school trip where they visited like a Trump convention and he like touched one of the girls slightly inappropriately and it became like a whole article.

Shona (DT260)>> Oh, you'd have to point to Joe Biden being a [ __ ] creepy weirdo. >> I don't like Joe Biden. I don't like Joe Biden. So, that's definitely not something that But like when I'm evaluating, okay, what kind of person is Trump? And I see the amount of these

Shona (DT260)claims, I've seen his statements, and I've seen his behaviors. Oh, that's kind of the direction I go in evaluating that. >> Like there's overall pattern. There's an overall trend.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But I I think you would need to provide at least me to you need to provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and these civil cases the uh the

Brian Atlaslevel of evidence required is very very low. There's massive political in shut up back there. There's massive political incentive to get this guy muddy this

Brian Atlasguy's name up. It's it's a political hit job. This happens on both sides of the aisle. These political hit jobs. It's it's a really effective way to tarnish

Brian Atlassomebody's reputation. It's been done on both sides of the aisles. Trump obviously has like a massive bullseye on him. So ultimately, nobody was really

Brian Atlasthere when this happened. I personally, after having extensively reviewed the actual complaint and actually hearing like this woman explain everything that's going on, there's like

Brian Atlasinconsistencies in her story. She doesn't seem totally there. >> It's >> there's massive incentive for this to be a political hit job.

Shona (DT260)>> And yeah, I also do believe he probably did something. It's like he probably committed. >> Where's the evidence? There's no evidence for it. Well, the evidence I'm pointing to is just the amount of claims that have been brought up against him, the things he said in his behaviors, it

Brian Atlaspoints to the fact that he's likely made women uncomfortable. >> Well, hold on. Making women uncomfortable isn't isn't a crime. >> Sexually harassed women. >> Okay, but now we're shifting the

Brian Atlasgoalpost here. First, it was Trump's a rapist, which by the way, >> it wasn't even true in the civil case. He hasn't been he hasn't been convicted of any sort of criminal offense at all related to any sexual assault. There was

Brian Atlasa civil case. Again, the burden of evidence, it's it's way lower. What is it? A prepoundonderance of the evidence. Preponderance of the evidence. Massive political bias in the New York I believe

Brian Atlasis in the New York state court system. >> So, did that not happen? Did he for sure definitively not? >> I can't. It's unfalsifiable. I can't definitively say one way or the other if it happened. But in terms of like, do

Brian Atlasyou believe in innocent until proven guilty? >> I mean, like when it >> You don't Hold on. You don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. Like the bedrock foundation of the American justice system. >> Sure, I do. >> Okay. It seems like you don't like

Shona (DT260)>> but like when it comes to like sexual assault, I think it is important to believe victims. >> It's important to believe >> like if a if a woman comes forward and says she's been sexually assaulted, I think she shouldn't be like ignored. I

Brian Atlasthink >> well I think it should be explored by hopefully she goes to the police and hopefully the police does a thorough investigation and ver you know but why would you immediately jump the gun to

Brian Atlasshould be believed? >> Well again like I would advocate for what you're saying that that should be investigated and explored. >> So your own personal standard is not um

Shona (DT260)is not innocent until proven guilty. >> I believe in Okay, hold on. I believe in innoc again. I'm not saying can you straighten your micro I'm not saying the person she's accusing is definitively guilty but I'm saying that that should

Brian Atlasbe paid attention to and investigated >> and that you shouldn't immediately >> absolutely if if a woman about that if a woman brings a claim that something's happened absolutely the police should do a thorough investigation I think she

Brian Atlasshould go to the police I don't think going to social media should be your first you know that shouldn't be your first go-to I think you should immediately go to the police for the sake of if there's any like DNA evidence absolutely That should be like the first

Brian Atlasthing you should do. Try to do it immediately. >> Right. But >> that's what I mean when I say like >> giving victims. >> Do you think all women who make these allegations, they should always be believed? Like it's always true. >> Well, it's not technically always true.

Shona (DT260)Like a woman could lie about that. >> Mhm. Okay. >> Which is why it needs to be investigated and explored, which is where we're on the same page. So, I don't see like why you're arguing against me right now.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you brought it up. I'm asking if your own threshold is you you you believe in innocent until proven guilty. In this case, she brought it to a civil

Brian Atlascourt and even in the civil court, he was not found liable for rape. There was some other low-level thing uh that he was found liable for, but it definitely wasn't rape. >> What was it?

Brian Atlas>> I'm just curious. >> I don't know the exact I forget the exact thing, but it definitely wasn't rape. I think there was some look he was found liable for like what some other form of essay or something

Brian Atlas>> and you're kind of just dismissed. Are you dismissing? >> I'm not well fact it's factually true that the totally totally unbiased

Brian Atlas>> uh New York justice system and the jurists in that jurisdiction uh they did find him liable. They found him liable for sexual assault, which means they >> by a prepoundonderance of the evidence

Shona (DT260)>> by a prop. Okay. Well, wasn't your whole thing about like courts finding someone liable for something that beyond reasonable doubt? >> She she said that he did something. That's the extent of it. >> And they found evidence, which is why he's liable. >> What was the evidence?

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, I don't know the exact court case, but if if he was liable for it, there must have been what she said he did. Do you think that that's a good threshold for finding someone liable or guilty of some

Brian Atlas>> Well, he sort of >> there was probably some sort of evidence if he was found liable for that. >> What's the evidence? >> Well, again, I I don't know the exact court case. >> Okay. But if you want me to believe that

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