DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Brian Atlassomebody has committed like a really severe thing, I would want I want some degree of evidence. >> What woman is like what evidence is a woman in that situation supposed to have at that point? Like if it happened to her, was she supposed to like

Brian Atlas>> take photos somehow? Like what? >> Oh, I mean like not waiting three decades before making a complaint, waiting until it was perfectly politically convenient and expedient to

Shona (DT260)only bring this claim when there was some political motive. >> Mhm. Okay. Look, well, what you're saying is that we don't know exactly what happened, and I can say that, too.

Shona (DT260)But again, when it comes to I wouldn't default to the man did it absent evidence. >> The reason I'm saying that it's likely that Trump has sexually harassed or sexually assaulted a woman at some point

Brian Atlasis because the amount of claims that >> have come against him, the things he said, and >> his overall >> they they can bring it to the police. And if the trust me, there's plenty of jurisdictions where the prosecutors

Brian Atlaswould absolutely love to prosecute Trump for various sex crimes. They would love to do it because it would be politically expedient because there's massive political bias in most especially lived

Brian Atlasin New York. He lived in New York State the most the majority of his life. Um >> Democrat state, Democrat prosecutors justification, huh?

Shona (DT260)>> Why can't they prosecute him? >> I don't know. Probably maybe for lack of evidence. Have there not been presidents with lower approval ratings than Trump and like politicians with lower lower approval ratings? Like even in other

Brian Atlascountries like most politicians don't end up having that sheer amount of claims up against them. >> You would have I mean look I I'm not aware of every single claim that's been made against him. What we can judge

Shona (DT260)based off is the singular civil case that there was. >> But I as far as I'm aware, there's been more claims and accusations brought up against him than just that one civil case. >> Okay. And so if there's many claims of

Brian Atlassomething that come out >> does that >> then that points to the fact that that could potentially be true. >> Okay. Okay. So if a bunch of people like if I in some political cabal was uh

Brian Atlasscheming and doing a conspiracy and we're like you know what >> Shauna is that Shaa >> Shona she's politically dangerous. She

Brian Atlaswe cannot allow her to come to political power. We're going to slander and destroy her reputation. We're going to do every single thing we can to

Brian Atlastry to paint her in such a way that the that will taint the opinion and view of her. And we're, you know what, I'm going to get 20 20 men to say that you grabbed

Brian Atlastheir tushies back at back at UCSB 30 years ago. >> Just so just because a lot of people says say something like said that they

Shona (DT260)happened, does it mean it actually happened? It doesn't mean it actually happened, but when you have a lot of Okay, what I would say to that is that there's been a lot of politicians that people want to plot against and want to take down and

Shona (DT260)who people hate. And this is not it's like the way that things have happened with Trump has not happened in other instances that I've seen. >> Yeah, Trump is a bit of a wild card, but there's massive >> and also if I

Brian Atlas>> there's massive political incentive that >> and he said, >> oh [ __ ] wait. Holy Hold on. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Oh my god. Po's going to be pissed. He raided me 12 minutes ago.

Brian AtlasAh, he's going to be all upset. Oh, Brien, you did not. Yo, Po, I don't know if you're still in the chat, man. Thank for the raid. I apologize. I was uh in a heated debate about Trump and all this stuff. So, thank you for that, man.

Brian AtlasThank you, PO. Yo, guys, if you're still watching from POS 12 minutes ago, drop us a follow if you uh enjoy these streams. Well, I would like to honestly I'll finish off on this thing, but I would like to bring it back to dating.

Brian Atlasum you kind of shoehorned this in here when it was kind of like completely really just this secondary irrelevant thing. Um if the will of the people like for

Brian Atlasexample if the majority of the United States population uh hypothetical here uh is against abortion then clearly like you're fine with that

Brian Atlasthen so long as a majority of the country wants their political will then you can't have any counter opinion. >> Are you asking me if I believe if Can

Brian Atlasyou rephrase that? Well, you're you're doing this appeal to the majority. So, if or not even the majority, you're saying if there's enough people that believe this, appeal to consensus. >> If there's enough claims of something, then it potentially is true.

Shona (DT260)>> I'm not saying it is true. I'm saying >> like there's a bunch of people that are pro-life. I'm assuming you're pro-choice, right? >> I'm pro that okay, that's political opinion. These are accusations of a crime. That's kind of different. I'm saying if there's a lot of accusations

Shona (DT260)of a certain crime brought up towards someone and there's also certain statements that they've said that kind of align with that in some way then >> it is likely that part of that it could be true.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty then. >> Well that's that's not what I'm saying. There's there's I mean I would even argue that this would be actually

Brian Atlasdamning the fact that there I would argue that it's actually damning for your position. This idea that there's so many claims so many claims yet not one prosecutor who would have massive

Brian Atlaspolitical incentive to prosecute him. Uh not one prosecutor has been able has brought has even tried to prosecute him. Not one prosecutor. This one actually >> have you seen how powerful Trump is? He

Brian Atlascan like he could defend himself very well. Like he can access the like you think he can pull strings himself too. >> Uh okay that's fine. But in in New York where I would assume he lived there for most of his life that would probably be

Brian Atlasthe jurisdiction for most of these claims. I think it would actually actually bolster my position your argument that there's been so many claims but uh why hasn't anybody actually brought he there's been

Brian Atlasactually zero for his entire life. No women have brought I I get that some women wait or whatever but for so you wouldn't wouldn't you expect by the way rape has absolutely been prosecuted in

Brian Atlasthe 50s60s7s 80s so yeah some women don't feel comfortable going to the police I get that angle but you'd think if there were so many claims at least one of them

Brian Atlaswould have opted to h have pursued a prosecution of him that uh didn't happen at a really politically convenient time It's not that easy.

Brian Atlas>> It isn't that easy when you figure is as powerful as Trump is. I don't think >> what explain to me how Trump's power would >> preclude you. How would it preclude you from going to the police? What's he

Brian Atlasgoing to have anything to do with Trump? I'm just saying it's not that easy to like >> I understand it can be absolutely difficult after experiencing a trauma to go to the police and perhaps you know

Brian Atlasthat can be difficult. I get that. But women do do that. And you would think according to her, there's all these cases of accusations. Perhaps at least one of them would have done what

Brian Atlasother women do, which is to immediately go to the police, even if it was one out of 20. But it's interesting to me that >> So all of the women waited three decades. >> Yeah. Cuz like I didn't immediately go

Swanieto the police when it happened. I was scared. I was in panic. >> Like >> Sure. That absolutely. I don't deny that that happened. >> And it also happened in high school. I

Brian Atlasdidn't want to be looked at as the girl that got assaulted by the rest of my life. How do you heap to How do you hope to keep rapists accountable if you won't go to the

Brian Atlaspolice? That is the mechanism by which we can prosecute and punish rapists. I understand that it's a difficult thing to go through, but any other crime

Swanie>> I need to report. You should report it. He was the number one football player on his team. He was not gonna get punished. >> So you you think football players just because they can

Brian Atlas>> I'm not just saying just football players. I'm just saying like any dude. >> Look, just to be clear, rape is a [ __ ] disgusting crime. Rape is a terrible crime. Ter should never happen. I think we should actually have strict

Brian Atlasstricter punishments for these kinds of crimes. I wouldn't even I wouldn't rule out the death penalty for proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I wouldn't rule out the death penalty for a rapist.

Shona (DT260)>> However, you need to go through the appropriate channels if you want to hold these people accountable. >> So, given that there's not been like enough definitive evidence that's come out soon enough and women who have gone immediately to the police when it comes

Shona (DT260)to Trump, do you think that all the claims against him like all my question? It's unfalsifiable. I'm asking, do you think it's like all like some kind of scheme to take him down and it's all politically incentivized? >> Are you willing to acknowledge that

Shona (DT260)perhaps at least one of these women are politically motivated? >> Could have been. >> Okay. >> But I could als I hope you're willing to acknowledge that at least one of them could be to some degree true. >> We I don't know. It's possible >> and I don't know what's possible to you as well.

Brian Atlas>> My at least from my own perspective, I would believe in the burden of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Shona (DT260)And so far, no jurisdiction. >> Okay. And I'm not saying he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm saying that there is a decent chance that he has done something. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Okay.

Shona (DT260)>> I'm glad we're on the same page about that. >> Do you think that there's a decent chance that he could have committed something in the list of claims that he's been accused of? >> I wouldn't No, I wouldn't say there's a

Brian Atlasdecent chance. I would just simply say I don't know. It's possible. women have made accusations, but to me in terms of my own perspective,

Brian Atlasthat doesn't reach the >> at least the burden of proof that I would satisfy me to believe in something. >> What do you think about the statement he made >> that I mentioned earlier? Like grabbing. >> Yeah. >> Disgusting.

Shona (DT260)>> Completely gross. >> Do you think that's someone who maybe has sexually harassed women in the past would say? Do you think those that statement and that action could potentially have some overlap? >> Logically that wouldn't compute whatsoever. So just >> Yes.

Shona (DT260)>> So if a man said grab her by the [ __ ] >> they let me. >> Do you think like is the action of a man grabbing a like grabbing a woman in that way? Is that sexual harassment? >> Hold on. So again, think it's a really

Brian Atlasgross thing to say. I would never say something like that. >> That wouldn't be evidence that he's ever raped somebody. >> It's not I'm not saying it's evidence. I'm obviously not saying it's evidence. >> I don't think you should. I Yeah. terrible thing to say.

Shona (DT260)>> Do you see how those two things are kind of somewhat maybe have a correlation? >> If if a man says grab him by the [ __ ] >> do you know you know what like the actual groping a woman? A man says grope a woman. >> He That's not No, that's not what he

Brian Atlassaid. You're being disingenuous. >> What did he say then? >> What was that statement? >> What was the act exact quote? They >> They said they let me They let me >> Yeah. Completely disgusting thing. Um

Shona (DT260)disgusting thing to say. Locker locker room talk or whatever. Super gross. I would never say it. >> Why is it disgusting? >> It's just a gross thing to say. >> And do you think it's kind of like

Brian Atlas>> violating towards women's do you think it's possible somebody can do you think it's possible somebody can say that and has never grabbed a woman by the [ __ ] >> It's possible, but do you think it's

Shona (DT260)more likely that someone who's who says something like do you think it's more likely that a normal person would say that or someone who sexually harassed woman would say that? Which is more likely? the the two which is more likely >> let's say there's a person who has never

Shona (DT260)sexually harassed a woman just a normal person right and let's say there is someone who has sex sexually harassed a woman who is more likely to have said that >> logically it doesn't make any sense >> that does make sense

Shona (DT260)is someone who has groped a woman more likely to say like that statement or someone who has not groped a woman >> I don't know >> I genuinely can't answer >> I think you're refusing to answer it >> I'm not refusing >> it is okay well I'll definitively I

Shona (DT260)think someone who has groped a woman is more likely to make that kind of disgusting statement. >> No, no, no. Hold on. You're switching it up here. The claim would have to be has somebody

Brian AtlasYeah, very disingenuous. I see the No, no. The claim would have to be has somebody who said X, are they more likely to have groped a woman? You want

Brian Atlasto do a reversal. This very, you're very rhetorical slight of hand there. You want to say is somebody who's actually committed a sexual offense, are they

Shona (DT260)more likely to say X? That's not what I'm arguing. Let's get on the same page. >> I don't think my question was that dis I just don't think you like it and I think it pokes a hole in what you're saying.

Brian Atlas>> I how >> because all I'm all I'm asking like Okay, >> bro. Can you not keep bringing it to like you do realize we're having a conversation and you like had to throw in by the way

Brian AtlasTrump's a rapist. >> Okay, we can move on to that. >> Isn't this a debate? >> Yeah, but it's like I wanted to talk about other [ __ ] We were talking about >> I mean you've been engaging in that conversation too. So if we >> Yeah, but I can't just like if you just throw out a First off, it's false. Your

Brian Atlasstatement was false. Like can you walk it back? >> Okay, take a chill pill. Honey, >> are you mad at me? I was just trying >> I'm a little frustrated just because it's not fair to the rest of guests that we've been bogged down. >> Okay, I'm happy to move the topic along and >> yeah, but I I would Lisa like factually

Shona (DT260)you're incorrect >> in saying that >> you said he was found guilty of rape. He wasn't found guilty. >> From my understanding, I think that he has been corrected that. I'm not I'm willing if he's not been found guilty of rape, I'm willing to backtrack on that. >> He hasn't. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Do you want to move on from the I don't want you to get too heated. >> Do you want a chat, Brian? >> No, I'm good. >> I'm I didn't mean to make you angry. I thought we were having a conver. >> Well, it's just it's um I wouldn't say I'm angry. It's just like a sort of a frustration that >> you like, bro, let the topics move on.

Brian AtlasLike we >> Well, because we were talking about it and then like a little side thing came through and you want to like look if somebody forwards I feel like it it

Brian Atlaswould not be fair for me to just allow somebody to assert such a serious claim without confronting it. Like if you

Shona (DT260)throw out something that's an accusation. I feel like I have some duty to counter misinformation. >> Okay. The way I phrased it before, the way I meant to phrase I'm trying to

Shona (DT260)speak like very like gently right now. The way I I'm aware I >> tone. I don't care about your tone. >> Okay. What I believe I said is that to my understanding, Trump was found guilty of rape because that's what I believe. That was what my understanding was.

Brian Atlas>> You believe in fake news and misinformation. You can Google this after the show if you want to send us a message. be like, "Look, I I Googled it. Not the case, unless you want to take my word for it.

Shona (DT260)Not found guilty by either civil or criminal court of rape." >> Do you do you dispute this? >> I'm not disputing that. Again, my overall stance with Trump and all the

Brian Atlasclaims was that he's probably done something that aligns with those claims. >> I mean, that's a really dangerous

Swanieslippery slope, moving away from innocent until proven guilty. Um, >> how do you determine the truth? >> Yeah, Brian, like my question is, do you

Brian Atlashave these sources to back up your statement? >> Yeah, there was literally the actual determination by the judge.

Brian Atlas>> The audge there's a literal judgment. Yes. The judge made the determination that he was not found liable for rape. >> Yeah. >> There's no criminal prosecution of him. He wasn't found criminally guilty of

Brian Atlasrape. >> A judge under his administration, of course. >> No, it was a it was a Democrat judge in New York. >> I I mean, I don't know. You want me to

Shona (DT260)pull up the actual [ __ ] >> Okay, DM me if you like to. >> I'm Throughout that conversation, I did not >> Okay. Throughout that conversation, I did not keep asserting Trump definitively raped this woman. I did not

SPEAKER_00keep asserting. >> All right, that's fine. We'll move it. Blaz donated $200. Question for the ladies. Have you ever provided a man oral sex and let him

SPEAKER_00finish on your face? If so, why would you do that but be against the bow to the man, which is clearly less disparaging? >> Yeah, this is an argu Thank you for pointing that out. We're still going to

Brian Atlasdo the champagne pop. I apologize. Um, it is interest like my argument with the bow. Women will refuse to do the bow, but they'll do all kinds of various like sex acts with men. and they'll like let

Brian Atlasa guy come on their face like just hey look whatever people can do what they want to do whatever you're into that as a woman whatever but it's like won't cook and clean won't bow but

Brian Atlaswe'll let a guy will like let a guy come in the back of your like throat after knowing him for an hour like you guys will acknowledge like massive hookup culture in college whatever I don't know that's just kind

Brian Atlasof weird to me >> yeah I think it's pretty weird Well, no. It's I mean, look, people can do whatever they want to do that, but it's like object to the bow, but

Brian Atlaslet a dude come on your face after knowing him for like 3 hours. It's like, okay, you know, >> gross. >> Okay. >> Is there a question there?

SPEAKER_00>> No, just echoing what the chatter had to say. >> Pasty George donated $200. In short, a lot of men nowadays, especially Western men, do not want

SPEAKER_00women infected with feminism and are tired of being demonized, humiliated, and falsely accused by strong, independent women. >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> word. By the way, sorry for the delay on these guys. It was, you know, a little back and forth there, so I wasn't paying attention to the messages coming through. Pasty George donated $200.

SPEAKER_00Many US taxpayers in America were counting on Trump to cut all funding to Israel, but he didn't. And instead, he traveled to Israel and kissed the Western Wall and then gave them more funding.

Brian Atlas>> Oh my god. Uh, all right. Thank you, Pasty. Appreciate it, man. Thank you for the message. Thank you for the message.

SPEAKER_00Question for you. Do you think a prosecutor if they ever um withheld >> Oh, weird. >> Command 500 donated $300. >> Thank you, man. >> Essa blue collar, man. I need to go to

SPEAKER_00bed. >> I look forward to listening to this in the morning. >> Thank you, man. >> I love your show, Brian, and I love you, brother. >> Here's an extra hundred to put Kirk's

Brian Atlaspicture in the middle. >> I don't actually. Where is it? We'll uh I'll just I don't want to like get up and we'll leave it there for we'll leave it back there for now. But thank you,

SPEAKER_00man. I do appreciate it. >> Typhoon donated $200. >> Thank you, man. >> There was like 30 potential scandals under Obama's administration, including the big Benghazi one. So, should all the

SPEAKER_00Democrats involved go to prison like Hillary, Obama, Biden?

Swanie>> Huh? I mean, are these >> like I don't know what these potential candles are, but >> I don't understand what the question is, my guy.

SPEAKER_00>> Pasty George donated $200. I don't know if Trump is guilty of what he is being accused of, and I don't really care. But I will say that he does have a lot of money and has financially elite connections.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, why would you ask that question in the first place if you don't care? Okay. Thank you, Pacy George. Appreciate it. >> Were you gonna ask me something earlier? >> I don't think so. I mean, I did want to finish up.

Shona (DT260)>> Can we Can we just be cool, though? Because I sense a lot of frustration coming from your direction. >> No, I'm I'm totally fine. >> You're not mad? >> I was a little frustrated there, admittedly, but I'm >> okay. >> I've already moved on. I'm not upset. >> Are you mad at me?

Swanie>> No, really. I don't like >> No, I wasn't even trying to be frustrated. I was just giving my honest opinion. >> No, no, >> I didn't mean to offend you or anything. No, no, I'm not offended. It's more so

Brian Atlasjust um it's it's more so just I think somebody sent a super chat in and then it I feel like we derailed a

Brian Atlaslittle bit there, but I felt like if somebody throws something out there >> sometimes there's just certain things I can't just be like >> Mhm. >> I have to address certain things. >> No, I understand. I just earlier you were saying like, "Oh, I'm trying to

SPEAKER_00keep it on this topic." >> Yeah. >> I'm not letting things _ King_hi donated $200. Ladies, fit check. Question for Brian. You often ask the girls what they bring

Brian Atlasto the table, but what do you bring to the table? >> Okay. All right. Uh, first we'll do the fit check. If everybody wants to, I guess, stand up and show the fit. I guess we can do that little fit check. They want to know what you guys are

Brian Atlaswearing. It's >> beautiful. if you're wearing some Chanel or um >> a full. >> All right, there's the There it is. Fit

Brian Atlascheck. Oh, whoops. Didn't mean to press that. Uh spin. Should we do spins? You guys want to spin? Show the whole thing.

Brian Atlas>> Is there room? I guess not. Okay, >> sweet. Okay, whatever. Sit down. I'll answer the thing really quick. What do I bring to the table? I have some notes here. I'll just read them off my notes.

SPEAKER_12>> Uh, what do I bring to the table? >> Your chair is um, >> it's what? >> I can't stand it. >> It's like on something important. >> Oh, >> what's going on?

Brian Atlas>> Her chair was caught on the other chair. >> Oh, okay. It's fine. All right. What do I bring to the table? Uh, let's see. Tall, 6'1, blue eyes. Although I

Brian Atlaswouldn't say looks are the primary thing I bring. I'm pretty average looking. Which reminds me, we have to do the a bunch looks rating. >> Uh I think I have my head on fairly straight. Don't drink. Don't smoke.

Brian AtlasDon't do drugs. Don't go to bars, not clubs. Don't party. >> Don't gamble. Uh unless you consider crypto gambling, I guess. Uh financially successful to the point that whoever I'm

Brian Atlaswith longterm will never have to work a day in their life, which I think very few people will ever have to do. or excuse me, will be able to do just the economic reality that we're in. So,

Brian Atlaswhoever I'm dating long term won't won't have to work. Uh, ambitious go-getter, strong work, very strong work ethic,

Brian Atlascreative problem solver, um, decisive. So, if you ask me what I want for food, I'm never going to be like, "Oh, I don't know. Whatever you want, babe." I'll be like, "I know

Brian Atlasexactly what I want to eat." >> Um, let's see. Yeah, those are just a few things. There's probably more. Um, yeah. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Yep. >> Period. >> Period. Uh, >> okay. Moving on. Let me see if there was other chats or something. No, I think we're good. >> Uh, one sec. Okay, we're all caught up

Brian Atlason chats. We There were so many things we had to get to. Um, we kind of touched on the bow. I want maybe duty that convo. Wait, work car.

Brian AtlasOh, let's do the champagne pop. Let's just do it right now. Oh, >> heck yeah. >> Um, we'll do the champagne pop. Do you want champagne? >> No. >> Uh, who here's Wait, you're 23? Yeah,

Brian Atlasbut you guys are already blasted, so I don't know. >> Uh, me. >> You're 21? >> Yeah. >> You want champagne? >> Yeah, I'll take some. >> Okay. Everybody else is under 21. Hey,

Brian Atlasit's just me and home girl. We're gonna get We're gonna get lit. Um >> like I don't >> uh honestly just give me one cup cuz >> Are you crazy? >> I can't.

Brian Atlas>> You can be. She's like give me give me the alcohol. Uh no, we got we can only give it to people who are 21 and up. Um [ __ ] What was the other thing we had to do? There was the bow. >> What was the other thing?

Brian Atlas>> The looks. Damn. You wanted to ask the ladies what it means to be single. >> Thank you. Okay, those of you who are single, >> good question.

Brian Atlas>> Um, what does it actually mean to be single? Because like a lot of y'all are single. >> I get to sol >> like is is there a guy in the picture for you?

Shona (DT260)>> Like there's no guy in the picture. >> Oh, no. I get to solo travel more. >> Hold on. Let me let me start on this side of the table. >> I mean, is there a guy in the picture? >> There's no guy in the picture. I mean,

Shona (DT260)for me right now, being single just means focusing on other aspects in my life, on myself, on my education, that sort of thing. >> All right.

Shona (DT260)Um, no guy, not even like your texting. >> I've been here two weeks. >> That's enough time. [ __ ] >> Oh, so I should have bagged some. I mean, I've like talked to guys at like parties, but like

Shona (DT260)>> Oh, no. >> I'm not really interested.

Swanie>> Scared me. >> Okay. Right. >> I know, right? >> I didn't think it was going to go. >> All right. So, it's just me and home girl over there drinking.

Brian Atlas>> I can also drink. Hello. >> You are already Sorry. You I can't I can't I must be a responsible bartender. responsible. >> Uh,

Brian AtlasFelicity, I want you to get up to give it to her. Okay, go around. Don't pass it, please. Um, one moment here while we do a cheers. I

Brian AtlasI guess I'm just [ __ ] dude. Kablas. I'm not going to drink the whole thing, but thank you, man. I don't really The only time I drink is if we do a champagne pop on the table.

Brian AtlasAll right. And uh you're single. Any guys in the picture? Uh, no, >> no, no. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, single guys in the picture. Bella, guys

Swaniein the picture. >> I'm single. >> Guys in the picture. >> No. >> Can you speak into the microphone, please? >> I have no guys in the picture and I'm single. >> How long have you been celibate?

Swanie>> Celibate? >> Yeah, celibate. So, you know, I don't like labels, but yeah, I've been alone for two years. >> So, you've been celibate for two years? >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> By celibate, I mean you haven't had sex in two years. >> That's how you define celibacy. >> Wait, would that be absent? >> Okay. Now,

Brian Atlas>> kind of the same. >> If you want to get tentacle. >> All right. Okay. Uh, Bella. All right. Or wait, no. You've been dating a guy for uh for two weeks, right? So, okay.

Brian AtlasNot single. >> Not single. All right. No guys in the picture, Daniela. Nothing. >> No. >> Nothing. >> Wait. Is anybody here in a sorority?

Brian Atlas>> No. Nobody? Nobody. Okay. All right. Uh, we're going to do a cheers. I know some of you don't have alcohol.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, we're going to do a cheers if you guys uh saloo. Cheers to Kablask. Thank you for the champagne pot. Appreciate it, man. >> Cheers. >> Is anyone getting drunk? Or can I

Brian Atlas>> That was mine. >> That's probably u I think that one has hasn't been drank. It's just >> Can I add to my cup? >> Or you can just drink from that water. It's a fresh water. >> I'll just

Brian Atlas>> uh Felicity, could you grab the hat? We're going to take it off the table. >> Okay. Uh oh, here. looks rating since it's topical, I guess. Or was there anything left with the bow?

Shona (DT260)Let me just see if there's anything here. Oh, the laundry. I really quick. Um I think first time the girl's over at my place, she should do laundry. Thoughts? >> If if that's if that's what you want

Shona (DT260)from a woman, then then go find a woman who wants to do that for you. That's great. >> Exactly. >> But is it a bit much? Bit much. >> I You're entitled to your preferences. That's okay. >> Okay. Like if you >> But is it a bit much? Like if from a

Shona (DT260)bird's eye view, are you like, "You know what, Brian, that's crazy." >> I wouldn't be into that, but there's other women who might be, and I'm sure you'll find one who does that for you. >> Let's say this was your dream guy and unbeknownst to you, well, unbeknownst to

Brian Atlasyou, you didn't know he wanted this. So the first time you go to his house, he's like, >> probably not my dream guy then. >> Not your dream guy. Just could have been the one, but you won't do his laundry. Could have been the one. want to his

Daniela (DT260)laundry. Okay. >> I mean, once we get once we start dating, if he wants me to do his laundry, I can do that for him. >> Della, you had a looked like you had a reaction. >> Well, I just think that's like you got to be like so forward to say that like,

Daniela (DT260)you know, that's not, "Oh, here my mom does this. This my first time meeting you. Do the same." Like, it's I just >> It's so romantic. Don't you think? >> Maybe if you're dating. >> Isn't it romantic for a girl to do a guy's laundry? >> I think it's romantic.

Brian Atlas>> If they didn't, would that be fine? >> Oh, man. They hate me. Um what >> if they didn't would that be fine? Like you're saying that's your preference? Is that like a >> honestly? So okay, first time the girl

Brian Atlascomes over right and she didn't do it. >> That's a deal breaker. >> I don't know if it's a deal breaker, but I'm very disappointed. I don't think

Brian Atlas>> I'm so disappointed though. >> I'm like I got to re I got to be thinking cuz here's me, right? I have no interest. Like if I'm if I'm interested

Brian Atlasin a woman and we're we're taking those steps, I'm going on a date with a girl. Like a lot of guys will move like this. They just want [ __ ] My motivation when I'm dating a woman, I I would never

Brian Atlaswaste my time or spend my time just pursuing a woman just to get sex. Like if I'm dating a woman, I want there to be continuity and I want there to be long term. Now, of

Brian Atlascourse, just to be clear, look, sometimes you meet somebody, things don't work out, whatever. But I am assessing this person for long-term compat compatibility.

Daniela (DT260)>> But I don't think What if they just don't want to impose themselves on your >> She can impose. Please. >> You should You should let them know that then. Most people wouldn't like think that. So like, you know, if that's your preference, you should let that be known

Brian Atlasbecause otherwise no one's going to start using your laundry. I don't even have to ask. I'll just be like, you could look, if you want to be, if you want to be a scoundrel as a guy, you could do it a bit more like, oh, um,

Brian Atlasfirst time she's at your place, you can do something like this. Be like, forgot to do my laundry. [ __ ] I really got to do it. >> I wouldn't do that. >> We do it together and be Bonnie.

Brian Atlas>> I'm super upfront. I won't be like devious about it. I'll just be upfront. But as a guy, you can be like, you know what? and first time, you know, you should be nice. It's already in the dryer. It's already dry. She just has to fold it.

Brian Atlas>> What do you say specifically? Like, what are the exact non-verbal? Bella's going to love this one. >> I'm just like, I'm really romantic, right? So, I'll take her hand >> and I'll be like, "Let me give you the tour."

Brian Atlas>> I don't give her the tour. I just walk straight to the laundry room. I look I look at her, look at the the machine, the washing machine. Look back at her.

Brian AtlasLook back at the the the dryer. And then I walk out of the laundry room >> and then it's just like, >> what's the success rate on that for you? >> So high. >> Really? >> So high. >> What's the ratio?

Daniela (DT260)>> They love it. >> They love it. >> Oh yeah, they Oh my god. >> Oh my goodness. They're just like >> Are these all the one for you then? Like how many girls are doing this? Are they all Cuz I'm >> I have had more than one woman fold my laundry.

Brian Atlas>> Is >> How do you meet them? How do you meet these women? Oh, you know, just the usual, >> right? >> Like um the usual >> Tinder. >> I haven't been on dating apps in a long time. >> Facebook.

Brian Atlas>> I'm banned from all. >> I mean, I'd say look, >> I'm banned from all of them. >> So, I have like normie I have a bunch of normie dating experience. I have used dating apps.

Brian Atlas>> Um but honestly, I feel like I want to maybe my advice is unique. Like the majority of women I've dated in the past, I don't know, three years or whatever, they've all reached out to me.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, really? >> Yeah. I've some women I've pursued, but most of them they reach out to me. >> Very chivalous of them through like Insta DM. >> Yeah. Like they just I don't know. They watch my show or whatever and they're

Swanielike, "Wow, I love this toxic guy. >> I love how" They're like, "I love how toxic." >> They love red flags. I like that. >> Yeah. So um >> his job

Brian Atlas>> but I mean almost prior to that every single relationship I had I I was the initiator pursuer but I mean I'm in a unique position where I'm like somewhat

Brian Atlasout there publicly or whatever. So, uh, yeah, but you know, that's, you know, it's a privilege that women have that you guys don't like to let on cuz having

Brian Atlashad sort of the experience, there's like a lot of leverage if the person's coming to you. And that's like the default setting for women. The guy's trying to get, you can kind of dictate the terms a

Brian Atlaslittle bit. If the guy's trying to get with you, like, you can kind of set the standard. You can be like, I want this and I'm this and I like that. But >> I feel like girls flirt back too. No. >> What's that?

Brian Atlas>> Like girls like flirt back and like also give guys the signs they're interesting. >> Sure. But the there is a dynamic that exists when it comes to dating where it's kind of like the pursuit >> the men are pursuing.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. More so. >> And like this applies to business too. If somebody comes to me and says they want to work with me, like we want to sponsor you, I'm in a way stronger

Brian Atlasnegotiating position and I have way more leverage than if I'm like reaching out to a brand and I'm like, "Hey, I want to work with you guys." >> So, that's kind of like how dating is a little bit because men are the initiators typically.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> And women are a little less proactive. You have like a bunch of options you can pick from. You can kind of dictate terms a little bit. You can be like, you know what? >> Yeah, it's nicer, isn't it? >> It's super It's super different.

Brian Atlas>> But I feel like I feel like >> I don't I don't mind if women initiate. And by the way, women can initiate >> and you can like initiate and then just immediately defer leadership back to me. >> Like you can just be like, "Hey, what's up, Brian? Think you're cute." Whatever.

Shona (DT260)>> The men does the rest of the work. >> I'll take care of the rest. Because >> I I feel like a lot of men like they take some like pride or like they kind of enjoy doing that, right? cuz you're saying it's like this burden kind of, but I think some men enjoy it a little bit like

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, sure. I think some men some men definitely do. Maybe a lot. But >> like I think if men could trade for example, like if if the roles reversed a little bit, at least in this dynamic, if

Brian Atlaswomen were just like throwing themselves at men. >> Oh, men like that, don't they? >> Men would take the trade. >> Men would so take the trade if like all you women were just like trying to [ __ ] me. Like that's what it is, right? Like all

SPEAKER_12these guys are trying to have sex with you. And just to be clear, they probably also want to date you too, right? I'm not trying to be >> I don't know about that here. >> Well, maybe that's a fair point. Especially the >> college guys our age, like I don't really think they initiate. Guys our

SPEAKER_12age. I've only really been hit on organically by older guys. Not ever guys my age. >> Well, that's cuz women said leave us alone. Women said >> I would love to meet a guy organically.

Brian AtlasAnd I don't I'm not No. >> Here's the thing. You want the guy that you're attracted to to do that, but in order and look it, yeah, it's obviously you you want attractive men to hit on

Brian Atlasyou, but part of the deal was there are going to be guys who you are also interested in who are going to hit on you, but part of that deal also means that there are going to be guys who you're not attracted to who are going to

Brian Atlas>> hit on you, >> who are going to hit on you. >> And that for you as women, that's going to feel awkward. That's going to feel uncomfortable. I don't mind it. >> You might even be like creepy. Because here's an interesting thing. And by the way, I think just to be clear, let me

Brian Atlaspreface. >> There's creepy behavior across the board, regardless of how attracted you are to the guy. >> Yeah. >> But I would also say

Brian Atlascertain things said or done by a guy who you have attraction to, Yeah. give him a bit of leeway. Like you

Brian Atlaslike the same stuff that you would deem uh creepy. If like a guy you weren't attracted to said it, if the guy you are like do think is attractive said it,

Shona (DT260)>> you'd be into it. >> You'd be like, "I'm into privilege." >> Yeah, it's pretty privileged. >> Although I will I will say like an unattractive man hitting on you, there's nothing creepy about that if he's not doing anything really bad. Well, so

Brian Atlasalthough I would say even even if the guy isn't doing anything like clearly creepy, like I think we can all agree >> regardless of how attractive the guy is,

Brian Atlas>> there is some some stuff across the board would be creepy, right? >> But I do think more behavior will fall into the threshold of creepy if you're not attracted to the guy. Like certain

Brian Atlasbehaviors that you will deem creepy wouldn't be creepy. I mean, I I guess I'm repeating myself at this point, but >> No, I get it. I think that's kind of unfortunate, though. If it's not done with like in a creepy way.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, and I think even if a woman is approached by a guy who she thinks is good-looking or whatever, I think women

Shona (DT260)even then can still have like a bit of a a hesitancy even in that situation. I don't know, like a bit of a defensiveness to them. >> I don't know. I think it's I think it's

Shona (DT260)like flattering sometimes actually even if it's like an unattractive guy. >> Yeah. If he goes about it the right way, you know. >> Yeah. >> Uh we have a chat here if you can read it for us. >> Oh,

Shona (DT260)chair one is swimming in opinions and drowning for facts. That is a dangerous cocktail to have and it needs to be pointed out. >> Oh [ __ ] >> Sorry. Cheers, Brian. >> I think there's nothing wrong with

Brian Atlashaving opinions. I guess >> for the perfect for for the per Okay. For the perfect guy, would any of you fold his laundry like the first time you go to his house?

SPEAKER_12>> Perfect. Yes. >> I mean, how perfect could you have been in that first in that short time you've known him? Right. >> I've done that for guys that weren't even perfect. My ex-boyfriend. >> Yeah. Girls will do a lot of things for even like retrospectively, you're like,

SPEAKER_12damn, I did all that for him. >> I mean, do you not want to help him and like make him feel taken care of? But at this point, you've only gone on one date. So, how perfect >> I don't know him. Okay, but here's the thing.

Swanie>> Like, if he's not giving me the equal amount of care, then why should I fold up your clothes if you're not going to fold up mine?

Brian Atlas>> That's my opinion. >> But wouldn't this just be applied to like why? Like, plenty of women would not pay for a guy's date. So then

Brian Atlaswouldn't the logic there be like if you're looking for perfect reciprocity I like I don't think it's a weird double standard. Well I guess technically it would be a double standard but I don't

Brian Atlasthink it's like weird if a woman she says I would never pay for like fully pay for the bill for the man on the first date but her standard would be or her preference would be for the guy to pay the bill on the first date. So there

Brian Atlasare just certain things like men do women do. >> Did you have something? Uh, I >> sorry, not I apologize. That's Dianiela.

Brian Atlas>> Said my name this whole time. It's okay. My name >> Oh, >> Kira. That was going to be my second guess. >> Brilliant. Um, I think >> it's just super

Kirastrange to me. Like you would not do like that's the type of thing you do for someone when you like live with them. Like it's just why? Like I would I don't know. Like I would buy my friend

Kiracoffee, I'd buy my friend food. I would not like do my friend's laundry. I would not have them do my laundry. Like that, you know, it's like I'm not even saying that has to be the same thing. That's just so out of the question. Like if

SPEAKER_12you're not like habitually like seeing them yet, you don't you can't assess if they're perfect. Like >> I think like the hypothetical is that like you already know they're perfect. Like I don't I honestly think first date

Daniela (DT260)is kind of a lot to fold someone's laundry. But if I know like if I already know they're perfect, >> then I'll do it. >> But I've done it for guys that are >> like my perspect Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Danielle. >> I've done more for guys and girls in

Daniela (DT260)terms of I've paid for my friends all the time and not gotten anything back. I've done their laundry, done their bed sheets, sent emails. Like I've done a lot. And I like it's not at my expense.

Daniela (DT260)Like I like doing these things. So it depends on the person. And like then I wouldn't like care about the connotations. But I think it depends. >> For first date, I'm thinking like that's

SPEAKER_12like the first or second time you've met the person, but like if it's the first time you're going over to their house and it's like how Brian said, he's like, "I forgot to fold my laundry." I think I honestly probably would be like, "Oh, do you want help?" Yeah. Like in a casual

Daniela (DT260)sense, it doesn't have to have like those connotations like, "Oh, like women do laundry," you know? It's like, "Okay, like sure." Um, but I can understand the sentiment. So, I think it's per the

Brian Atlasperson and situation that like determines that. >> But if they're perfect, I would >> I just I don't know if I'm I'm even ask I don't think I'm asking for anything all that crazy. >> It's not that much.

Brian Atlas>> It's not really that much. Well, cuz from my perspective, I'm like, if we get along and you're going to be my girlfriend, I'm going to be taking care of everything. And then like long enough

Shona (DT260)down the road, you'll never have to work a day in your life. So, >> is the laundry thing like really important to guys? Because like if it is, like even I'd be willing to fold the guys laundry. I just didn't even know like guys >> Wait, can I just have you straighten

Shona (DT260)your mic like the top of it? Yeah, perfect. Sorry. Go ahead. >> I was just saying like I didn't even know like cuz you keep stressing this thing about girls doing laundry. Is it is it like very important to guys or is it something that they all really want? >> Well, I'm unique.

Brian Atlas>> It's like it's like your thing. >> Yeah, it's my thing, I guess. Like look, I think honestly most men if you're pleasant and I mean it depends if they're like religious guys or whatever,

Brian Atlasbut like most men um make them some food, be pleasant, have sex with them. Most men, like 97% of men are going to be happy with that.

Brian AtlasI feel like men really don't ask for all that much. I mean, be like, you know, they have to be attracted to you or whatever. That's part of it. But I don't know. I just have very high standards.

Brian AtlasOkay. Such high standards. >> Don't settle, king. >> Such high standards. Just want a woman to, you know, do my laundry. >> I'm going to try that on a guy next time I hang out with him. >> I I mean, look, I know you guys hate the laundry thing. You hate

Brian Atlas>> I'm curious about it. >> But you could run an experiment for all of you. All of you could run an experiment. And it's like, what can you do to get the guy? And if I know some of you aren't really dating, whatever. Some

Brian Atlasof you already have the guy. You already got the guy. good. But if you're struggling to get the guy, >> fold his laundry. >> I'm telling you, like unprompted

Brian Atlasthe first time you go to his house, if you like you you go in and and you're like, "Hey, can I help you with anything? Can I do your laundry

Kirafor you?" He's going to be like in love. He will fall in love with you. >> He's You've just differentiated yourself from the other women. I feel like some guys I know would be offended by that

Swanieand be like, "You think I can't do my own laundry?" >> Just do it. Like if you see clothes on the floor, just take it to the >> Well, like some dude got offended that I got paid more than him and that's part of the reason why we broke up.

Brian Atlas>> But I don't know if it would I mean, even if the guy is like, "Nah, I can do my own laundry." I don't think he would even be >> like if you just ask, "Hey, can I do your laundry? Hey, oh, those clothes on the floor. Can I pick them up for you?" By the way, guys, don't leave your clothes on the

Brian Atlasfloor >> like first time. You know, have your place presentable. >> But when she's your girlfriend, she can pick it up. >> No, I actually want to try this now. Like, I'm so curious. >> Just as a test, be like, you know what? I'm never going to do this again, but one time. I just want to see how it

Brian Atlasgoes. >> Maybe something more subtle would be like make his bed. Okay, >> just start making his bed. I' I've always done that. >> Small things. Small things. I'm just saying if it gets you the guy, like, is it all that much? All that much. Uh,

SPEAKER_00okay. Okay, we have a chat here from our our dude Py George. >> Pasty George donated $200. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. >> I've seen women act weird and bend over backwards for guys that they just met

SPEAKER_00and liked. When they got the guys that they liked, they did just about whatever he asked while acting stupid and goofy. >> Okay, >> submission. >> Interesting. >> All right. Yo, Pacy George, thank you,

Brian Atlasman. Appreciate it. Okay. Uh, let's blast through. Uh, we have this. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Starting with you.

Brian Atlas>> My answer is >> Are you coming back? Uh, Mars or whatever. Where is she? >> My name. >> Yeah. We're doing a segment. Can you come back for it?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Do you want me to? I already did this one last time. >> I would like your company. Yeah, we just want you at the table generally. I know you're I don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing back there or

Brian Atlaswhatever, but >> the politics are so boring. >> We're not talking about politics. >> Sorry about that. >> Oh my god. This

Brian Atlas>> All right. Well, that's a yellow card for you. [ __ ] yellow card. >> Are you rejoining us? Hello. >> What card am I on? >> You already You forgot.

Brian AtlasI previously gave you the yellow card. >> Yellow card for Mars back there. >> New. >> Yeah, that's your warning. I got Are you rejoining us? >> Yes, I'm coming.

Swanie>> Are you guys like drunk or high? Like what's going on? >> I just have not had sleep since yesterday. >> Can you speak into the microphone, please? Well, to make an announcement to

Swanieeveryone, I have not had sleep since yesterday because I came all the way here from Tallahassee. >> What time did you guys arrive? >> It's like 1:00 a.m. It's like 1:00 a.m. in Orlando right now. >> Okay. Can you scoot the mic that way? Scoot into the table. What time did you

Swanieguys arrive in Los Angeles? >> Like here, um 3:14 p.m. But like before that, I did not get >> What time did your flight land in Los Angeles? >> 3:14 p.m.

Brian Atlas>> today. So, just yesterday knowing that you guys flew all the way from Florida, knowing that today you were having a podcast appearance, >> you guys opted to go be degenerates and party in Los Angeles. >> What?

Brian Atlas>> I didn't party in Los Angeles. >> Hold on. Did you have a hotel? >> No, >> we're in an Airbnb. That's >> But you said you didn't. It's not as if

Brian Atlasyou flew in today and you left super early. You had a hotel yesterday, meaning that you would have >> We had exterior problems too last night too at the Airbnb

Mari>> as tourists. You guys had >> I am not no tourist. Okay. I've been to Florida. >> No, we brought somebody with us and like they were just causing exterior problems and it was like

Brian Atlas>> to the point that you guys had to stay up all night. Did you guys go to the hospital or something? >> No, >> I'm from Tallahassee, my guy. Like that's literally right across the map. What?

Brian Atlas>> But you arrived at 300 p.m. yesterday, which means you have gone to sleep. >> I don't understand why you're trying to be Inspector Gadget here, bro. But like >> I'm just telling you, I barely have

Brian Atlassleep. >> Well, your disruptions as it relates to the podcast. >> Disruptions. >> Yes, disruptions. Um, it would occur to

Brian Atlasme that you had ample opportunity. Your your defense is we haven't slept. >> Yeah. And I spent most of my day getting ready to be here.

Swanie>> So you arrived yesterday at 3:00 p.m. What prevented you from sleeping when you >> We arrived here at like 9:13 p.m. So I'm just like >> we arrived at LAX.

SPEAKER_12>> If you haven't slept, then why are you smoking weed in the bathroom? >> I wasn't smoking weed in the bathroom, >> but I smelled it. >> I smelled it, too. >> Wait, really? >> Yes. I smelled weed. >> I smelled it after one of you walked in. I'm not trying to like be me. I'm just

Swaniesaying, >> chat. >> Didn't make sense. >> Okay. Well, it wasn't me in the first place. So, >> it was her. >> Who was it? >> Sitting on that chair the whole time. >> Who was it? >> I don't know. >> One of them. It was one of you two. I know.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think it was any of the other women here who slept who um >> here. Hide this. Why? Guys, be be attentive to this. We don't need this right now. Um >> I know >> who smoked weed in the bathroom. Was it?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I smoke weed, but not in the bathroom. >> Is a pen. >> I smoke weed, but not in the bathroom. >> Did you guys Who went You said you went in there. Can you

SPEAKER_12>> I went in there and I smelled it. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I mean, >> is that like normal smoke, though? >> She's saying it wasn't her, and she's

Swanienot denying it. So, >> was it you? >> I was sitting over there. >> No, this was way early. You can literally show my purse right now. I don't have a vape on me. >> Like >> it's like wax.

SPEAKER_12>> Like a vape. >> It's a pen. It's a wax pen. >> It's a wax pen, but it still has a scent. >> Red. Oh, I see the red card coming. >> Um, >> okay. >> I'm just saying like

Brian Atlas>> I I just don't understand. You guys clearly like even before you got to the studio, you guys were like clearly intoxicated knowing that you're going to go on the

Brian Atlaspodcast, which you know does involve the necessity of having some of your mental faculties available to you. >> Take a sobriety test right now, my guy.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. The the the tone in your voice, your eyes are bloodshot. You guys either drank or smoked or something. I don't know why you have to lie about it, but >> ice doesn't necessarily mean I smoked or

SPEAKER_00drink before I got here. >> There was also alcohol in your bag. >> Past that doesn't necessarily mean I'll drink it here. >> Shares three and six are high or on something for sure. And they definitely

Brian Atlasparted instead of getting arrested and ready for the podcast. Feminist women avoiding this. >> I just don't understand. Like you've been on the show before. You've been trying to get back on the show for a

Swaniereally long time. You guys flew This is my first time on this show and I'm in this predicament. I get you're not talking to me, but you brought me into it. So, >> okay, that's fine. But I guess my

Brian Atlasconfusion is is I I mean, I don't know if you guys are planning to do other stuff in LA, but you guys flew from Florida to do the show and you've been back there for like hours. I don't know.

Mari>> I was only in the bathroom >> and you're clearly either drunk or high or something. I just felt like I couldn't help with like the conversation. I was getting so bored. >> Okay, >> this happened.

Brian Atlas>> I was only in the bathroom for 3 minutes. I guess it's a rule that I shouldn't use the bathroom for over. >> You know, part of your boredom probably relates to the fact that you're on drugs

Brian Atlasor you're drunk. And it would occur to me that like the it's easier to become engaged in a conversation if you're not blasted out of your mind. >> Yeah, I guess. I don't know. It depends

Brian Atlason the conversation. >> You got to speak in >> It depends on the conversation, but I agree. >> I mean, we've been talking about traditional gender roles. I know it was political for a bit. Fair. That was maybe boring for some of the other panelists, but we've also been talking

Brian Atlasabout dating. >> I get that, but we feel like we're being targeted. >> How Okay. Is it rac You think I'm like racist? >> I'm just being so honest, my guy. >> Do you think I'm targeting you because

Swanieyou guys are both drunk and high? No, because I went into the bathroom for three minutes. >> Then then it wasn't you. It was her. >> I didn't say it was her. >> Did you smoke weed before the show? >> Before the show, yes.

SPEAKER_12>> Ah, >> okay. >> I rest my case. >> Before the show, yes. >> Okay. All right. >> That's all I got to say. >> It's more respectable than doing it in the bathroom. >> Exactly. I just don't understand.

Brian Atlas>> So, I was just like, that's why I was getting heated when y'all were accusing me. >> Oh. We're accusing your friend. >> I'm accusing both of you. >> Oh, me? >> Dude. >> Oh, both of us. Oh, >> it's just I don't know. It's like my

Brian Atlasperson. >> You flew here. It's like you guys could at least be like coherent >> for the podcast. >> Coherent. >> You're a little better. You're a little better than her. She looks like she's

Brian Atlasabout to [ __ ] nod off or [ __ ] OD. I don't know what it is. >> But, um, >> that's crazy. Don't put that on me. >> That's crazy. Don't put that on me. Sorry. >> We do have Norcan. Please get a red, >> guys. Please.

Brian Atlas>> Look, I'm just saying, bro. It's okay. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Guys, read 100. TTS 200. Um, crazy. All right. Um, moving on. We had >> Stifler. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. Can't pick

Shona (DT260)seven. Your answer. >> It's long and drawn out. And >> just you got >> it's going to be a whole back and for you you should probably go to them first. >> How about this answer? >> I reject the whole 1 to 10 thing. >> So, you won't rate yourself. Yeah, cuz I

Maridon't believe in the whole >> Okay. What about you? >> Eight. >> Eight. Okay. >> Um, I want to skip two, but I I want to >> Well, hold on. Just to be clear, boy, I

Brian Atlasreally hate to have to kick people off the show. You were complaining that you're bored and you weren't involved in the conversation. >> No, but >> I'm putting I'm I'm going around the table. This is your opportunity to be involved in the conversation. Participate, please. >> I am participating.

Mari>> Answer the question, please. >> Okay. Yeah, I want to say 10, but like last time I said 10. I mean, not 10. >> Okay, forget about last time. Imagine this is the first time you've ever been on the show. >> Okay, 10. >> Okay. What about you? >> Nine.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Eight. >> Okay. What about you? >> A 10 as well. >> All right. What about you? >> Like a 6.8. >> Can't use uh fractions or whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Six. >> Six. Okay. Felicity. >> Six. >> All right. What about you? >> I was going to say six and a half. So, I'll say six. >> Okay. Six. All right. You want to give a number?

Shona (DT260)>> I mean, again, it I fundamentally reject the whole idea of rating looks on a scale of 1 to 10. >> Okay. >> Which I have my reasons as to why, but I don't want to like agree. >> No, it's okay. Uh, well, I mean, it is it's not political related, so we can

Shona (DT260)dive a little bit into it. I don't want to we won't linger too long on it, but can you give me your plot synopsis of disagreement? >> Basically, I think with societal be like there's societ societal beauty standards in the US in 2025. There's beauty

Shona (DT260)standards in other countries. There's beauty standards here from 10 years ago and that will be different in 10 years depending on whatever procedure is in trend, whatever Instagram model who uses filters men are obsessed with. And like

Shona (DT260)even if you you are people's idea of a 10 like Megan Fox, Adriana Lima today now like those women are receiving like >> are they zeros? You think they're zeros today? >> No, no, no, no. They're beautiful. I think they're beautiful women still.

Shona (DT260)>> But you're saying that they were like of an earlier beauty standard. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is even if you're Adriana Lima now, you're receiving all this backlash of people criticizing how you look, saying like, "Oh, why does your body look like this

Shona (DT260)now? Why do you look like that now?" You even have people today saying like, "Oh, Adriana Lima, she's like so overly glazed. She's so overrated." So, >> wait, wait, wait. Just to be clear, you're you're talking about body, right?

Brian AtlasSo Adrian Al body >> would be like >> I I acknowledge that there's like >> I would argue minute like fairly minor changes overall.

Brian Atlas>> Um and also I don't think there's like specifically just one body type >> that dominates or not multiple body types can be deemed attractive. So you might argue like okay well in the early

Brian Atlas2010s you had that like completely unachievable Kim K plastic surgery >> that whole look right? Uh, but I don't think that that would mean that the body

Brian Atlastype that was also attractive in like the 90s or the 2000s is just now like a man sees a a woman who previously would have been deemed a 10. I know you reject

Brian Atlasthat sort of analysis. They'd be like, "Oh, she's a zero now." >> I mean, >> like I don't think the fluctuation is that severe. >> Some people really don't like women with the Kim K body type. One thing though,

Brian Atlasjust does anybody here also any anybody else cuz I want to try to bring some other people in have objections that echo what she's saying? >> Anybody? >> I don't agree. >> Bella, >> why?

Brian Atlas>> Bella. >> Hello. That's >> Kira. >> Nice. >> I Wait, >> Daniela. >> No. Okay, whatever. >> Saying her names now. >> Yes.

Daniela (DT260)>> No, I get Do you agree with her? I the sentiment there's like a I just don't like I just give a number. It's like >> not >> I'll be back talking. Go ahead. You can take it over. But go ahead. Continue

Shona (DT260)making your arguments. >> What I was saying is even if you're what many people consider a 10, you still end up receiving backlash from society regarding the way you look. And so there's ultimately no winning in society's eyes. That's what I think overall.

SPEAKER_12>> Yeah. I think beauty is subjective, but there's also >> conventionally attractive people. And you can tell when someone is more attractive or less attractive. But that doesn't mean that like like if I think someone is a 10, obviously not everyone

SPEAKER_12in the world is going to think they're a 10. >> It's about preference and opinion. But there also is like >> conventionally attractive people

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