DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Brian Atlasviolence as a result of that because like if you look at other countries I mean >> so what checks would you what what things would you want to be in place to prevent someone >> from purchasing a firearm because I mean just to let you know like a

Brian Atlas>> a lot of these people who do commit these abhorrent disgusting acts most of them don't have a criminal history. Most of them don't have any negative check mark that could be discovered on a background check. So,

Brian Atlas>> do they have mental health issues per chance? >> I Well, I do believe >> I think I think they >> I'm not an expert on this topic, but I do believe if you have some history like of being committed to a psych ward, >> then you shouldn't, right?

Brian Atlas>> Well, I I my understanding is if you have been been committed to a psych ward, I do believe >> no. Well, I'm pointing in this general direction. I do believe that could preclude you from getting a firearm.

Brian AtlasNow, again, I'm not >> Well, I think it does. So, the law already, but again, >> this isn't my wheelhouse, so I don't know like in each state what the laws are on this specific thing, honestly. But, but this idea that it's just like,

Brian Atlasyou know what, >> one day you can just go to a gun shop and they just hand you a gun. In a lot of states, it's not the case. I don't know the details in every single state.

Brian AtlasIn any case though, do you think that if we were to get rid of guns entirely in this country, uh do you think that that would really solve any of the problems? >> Okay. I mean, if you were to suddenly say you can't buy a gun, like there's

Brian Atlasalready so many guns in circulation that that wouldn't really do much. >> Like Yeah. Yeah. So, check this out. So, somebody who owns guns, like would you be in favor of >> the government rounding up everybody's

Shona (DT260)guns like by force by the police? If like in a magical world all guns in the >> in a real world >> okay well this isn't really possible which is why I'm >> well Australia did it for example >> but would would the government be effectively able to do that with the amount of guns that are in circulation I

Brian Atlasdon't really think so >> let's say they could effectively do it >> okay so that was every single gun was in the government's possession right now >> well not necessarily people would obviously have issues with this and probably some people would would

Brian Atlasactually like have gunfights with the police trying to confiscate their guns but it. You do agree it's possible like it would be plausible >> for a government to send out its even

Shona (DT260)its army or law enforcement officers to compensate guns like they could do this. >> I don't believe in compromising like constitutional amendments. I think I take a lot of issue with that even though like personally when I think about the amendments the second

Brian Atlasamendment I think it's just like >> it's just like it's just frustrating to me because it's like oh you want to bury your guns. Just wait. Your refusal to get rid of the Second Amendment is uh we can't separate that from the system that

Brian Atlasyou've promoted. That's really harmful rhetoric. And you know what? Innocent children's lives because your of your refusal to just do away with the Second Amendment. It's on your hands.

Shona (DT260)>> Innocent children's you won't get rid of it. Again, I can have the take of believing in increased gun control measures without believing in getting rid of the Second Amendment because I'm trying to respect >> Republican values of wanting to uphold

Shona (DT260)the Second Amendment while wanting to reduce the amount of gun deaths that happen each year. >> I love guns. >> Thank you for sharing. >> Me, too. >> Great. Um, >> would you love them if they killed someone you loved and cared about? >> Um, I've actually gone through that

Shona (DT260)before, but I think it's the person who kills it. It's not the >> It's not the gun. >> It's not the gun. It's not the gun with a deadly bullet and that's designed for murder. If you kill someone with a

Shona (DT260)person, that person is behind the gun with their mental illness, whatever it is causing it. >> But the whole point of the weapon is that it's designed for death and >> because of the person pulling the trigger.

Brian Atlas>> Whoa. >> Well, so really quick though, um, >> can I use the bathroom again? >> Just Yeah, >> I don't need to add. >> It's okay. Just Yeah, go that way. Um

Brian Atlashere we won't linger too long on the gun thing really quick, but um I guess we're talking about policy here. Putting that aside, practically speaking, >> but can I just say one more thought on that? I just want

Brian Atlas>> What? No, hold on. Let me finish. >> No, no, no. >> Whoa. >> No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. >> This way. This way. We're good. >> We're good to go.

Brian Atlas>> We told you before the show it's okay. We just don't want you banging into the cameras and stuff >> and tripping over wires. It's okay. It's okay. >> Uh, okay. So,

Brian Atlas>> my question is, >> can I say one thing? >> No, hold on. Hold on. My turn. >> Okay, >> my turn. Go ahead. Um,

Brian Atlas>> we've outlawed a variety of drugs in this country. >> Most hard drugs are completely outlawed. There's steep punishments for distributing them, steep punishments for

Brian Atlasowning them. >> Um, >> you would agree though that despite robust laws completely, not just, oh, you can go to the doctor and get a

Brian Atlasprescription for methamp. No, it's completely outlawed. It's criminalized. You'd agree that people can still >> it's prevalent >> obtain >> completely >> these drugs and the vast majority of the

Brian Atlastime despite >> it potentially landing you in prison or jail >> people who are drug addicts quite easily >> possess possess drugs

Shona (DT260)>> and hold on to them for periods of time and they never get caught and they consume the drugs. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's like the really complicated part about controlling drugs and controlling guns.

Brian AtlasIt's they're so widely circulated. >> But my question then is even if we had >> if we had an outright complete gun ban, my argument, >> which I don't believe in, but right.

Brian Atlas>> But even if we did, >> and practically speaking, oh, I lost my guns in a boating trip. Like people, oh, the police come to try to take your guns. Sorry, I lost all of them. People aren't going to relinquish their guns.

Brian AtlasUm, >> which is why that's not a good solution. >> Right. And it just >> I wish I had a very clear solution. It's a very >> complicated. >> Right. Right. Right. But my my position is even if we were to implement

Brian Atlaseverything that you say, >> which even not just what you say. Sorry. Even if we implement things well beyond what you're willing to do as it relates to gun control, if we were to outright

Brian Atlasban guns, how would this prevent people? Like you can make it you could make it death penalty. You own a gun, you get the death penalty. That's how severe you could make the crime of owning a firearm.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> How would this ever stop somebody from getting a gun if they were motiv if they were sick enough in the head and motivated enough to get a gun? We know that people are motiv motivated enough

Brian Atlasto get drugs. Trust me, if somebody wants to do a disgusting act, they they have already abandoned humanity. they've they've already abandoned decency. It's

Brian Atlasit's gone. >> And so this idea that and by the way, a lot of these times sometimes we apprehend the shooters. Sometimes they unal alive themselves after they've committed these horrific acts or you know there's somebody uh who takes them out,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> They're prepared to die when they commit these crimes. >> Yeah. >> So why would even if it was that extreme, you get the death penalty if you own a gun. >> Mhm. Why would that stop somebody who's prepared to die anyways and who's sick

Shona (DT260)in the head? >> Why would it stop someone in countries where there are not the same rates of gun violence as America? Like for example, if you look at Okay, so that was like a very wordy sentence, but like other countries where gun death rates are not the same as America. There are

Shona (DT260)sick people everywhere. There's sick people in like say the UK for example, the UK does not have the same rate of gun deaths and they have stricter gun control, right? So like what would stop the sick people in the UK? It's just like I mean they

Brian Atlas>> if somebody is motivated enough in the UK or Australia for example where guns are outlawed >> then they'll do that. Right. >> Do you think people can't access guns illegally? >> They can but I'm just >> sure it makes it harder. But you're not even in favor of an

Shona (DT260)>> but they're not looking at the same rates of gun deaths as the US is. They're not looking at the same rate of school shootings and all that. >> Sure. I I suppose that makes sense. But my point would be is that this most

Brian Atlasrecent assassination, >> you think he wouldn't like even he wouldn't be able to get a gun? >> I mean, I think that this kind of thing is more

Shona (DT260)characteristic of America than it could be of other countries. And I think I just think Charlie, like again, this would happen to countless people throughout history. Gun deaths, gun violence, school shootings. Charlie

Shona (DT260)Kirk, he didn't really do anything to advocate against that, which is all I believe in, advocating for some kind of solution. I don't know the exact solution to cause less gun deaths from happening. >> So, is your position people who are pro-

Brian Atlassecond amendment are more deserving of being killed because of their >> No, no, no, no, no, no. >> Definitely not. No one is I don't understand the the criticism then

Shona (DT260)>> of Charlie Kirk. If it's just like, well, he was pro- second amendment. What? Okay. >> It's not that he was pro- Second Amendment. It's that he he didn't really advocate against like the school

Shona (DT260)shootings and everything that would happen each year. He just kind of said, "Oh, it's just collateral." And I think writing it off as just collateral damage each year and like equing like an equivalent to like car deaths kind of. I think that was kind of dismissive and

Shona (DT260)invalidating. But by no means does that justify him dying. Again, I know you're trying to like you want me to say that, but again, I don't celebrate Charlie Kirk's death at all. >> What do you think about other people who celebrate his death? Just

Shona (DT260)>> I think that's disgusting. And I think that you can't you can't be against gun violence and then celebrate certain gun deaths. I think it's disgusting. >> Okay. Just curious, um, anybody else? Me and her have had quite a bit of back and

Brian Atlasforth. Anybody else want to weigh in? Do you have any thoughts? >> Feedback? >> Yeah. Any thoughts? >> Do you have any thoughts? Any thoughts? >> No, >> I

Kira>> Go ahead. Go ahead. It looks like you're >> No, I I really wasn't. I >> Okay. >> Gun violence is never justified. It's really like >> Yeah. Bottom line. >> I agree. >> Is anybody like >> think it was justified that he was assassinated? I feel like a lot of

Brian Atlaspeople >> I don't think he was justified he was assassinated. >> To the mic. >> I don't think he was justified. He was assassinated. >> Assassinated. >> Wait, hold on one sec. I got I apologize

SPEAKER_00guys. I got to let some chats come through. Yo, Pasty, sorry for the delay. >> George $200. In short, CK was a puppet who denied the genocide going on in Gaza. Doesn't

SPEAKER_00anyone realize that Israel owns and controls almost everything in the world? Why are they still getting USA funding? >> Control the [ __ ] ocean at this point. >> Oh yeah, >> I'm talking about Greta Thurberg.

SPEAKER_00>> She was she was abducted. >> She was tortured. Do you know what happened? Oh my god. Greta Thur. She was not tortured. >> She was like wrapped in the wisdom donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> Oh my god. She's so American Marine. Kirk's death. >> Deport illegals. Bear arms. [ __ ] Gingerly. Carly's lost. Make it great

SPEAKER_00again. I'm a GI Bill student making college unwoke again. [ __ ] yeah America. Saluting face emoji. >> That's so corny. There's a conspiracy

SPEAKER_00theory about his death. Have you heard about it? I haven't heard about it yet. >> There's There's a bunch. There's a bunch. >> What's the main one, though? >> Donated $200. Share one. You seem to see the truth and

SPEAKER_00not what everyone else eats up without critical thought. A lot of people are acting like indoctrinated feminists for CK and not really looking at the evidence. >> All right, >> I'll take that compliment. I do. >> Everybody, look, people have different

Brian Atlasopinions on this. Pasty, by the way, pasty, I sent you a DM on Discord. What the [ __ ] Respond to me, dude. >> 200 bucks. >> We're going to set set you up with something. Um there's some chats coming through. >> Uh I'm going to have you read them.

Shona (DT260)Okay. So, you're just going to read them >> as they pop up. >> Uh hold on. Yeah. Read this. >> I don't know if I want to read them. >> Okay. Show. Can you read them?

Shona (DT260)>> Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. Zero pe two zero people from Gaza. Two. Zero people from Gaza should be allowed to come to America. Period. This is what I found on X.

Shona (DT260)>> All right. Pasty George coming in here with the uh >> zero people from Gaza should be allowed to come to the US is very like that's not nice. >> Can you read this one? >> Here's more. Three. No, Israel should is

Shona (DT260)not starving Gazins. They are. The deaths of women and children in Gaza are the fault of Hamas, not Israel. There's more. Thank you, George. Thank you. He's doing my work for me.

Shona (DT260)>> There's another one coming here. He said, >> "All right, Pacy George is on he's on a roll there with some of the chats." >> George, oh my gosh, just like the deaths in Japan during World War II were the fault of Japan, not America. When a

Shona (DT260)government engages in unprovoked murderous aggression, they are to blame for everything that results. Okay, George is on the right side of history. >> Okay, there you go. >> Charlie Kirk wasn't.

Shona (DT260)>> RIP Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah, RIP. But his his rhetoric sucks. Do you think violence >> I disagree >> can ever be justified to achieve political aims?

Shona (DT260)>> I mean, >> are we talking about the death penalty? >> No. No. >> Then no. >> Okay. Uh, we have another one. If you can read this one. >> Ah, yes. Chair one wears a cross, is

Shona (DT260)Hindu, and wants to defend Islam even though a lot of the Quran calls for the unaliving of Christians and butterfly and tries to justify by misquing

Shona (DT260)Charlie. What a clown. Oh my gosh, I can How could I, as someone who is not Islam, defend another religion that has people who are not terrorists? A Hindu defending Islam wearing a cross.

Shona (DT260)Peculiar. Like I said, I have a multicultural perspective, guys. It's uh >> I don't think you need to be a certain religion to defend a certain religion. >> Read this one. >> The UK gave up their guns and now they're subjugating people under

Shona (DT260)essentially they're not under Muslim rule. That's ridiculous. Crazy how that works. Okay. Again, they're not under Muslim rule. You need to read the news properly. That's crazy.

Shona (DT260)I can take off the cross though if it's bothering people. Like >> do you think um do you think >> do you think I'm like unreasonable with what I'm saying? Like you can disagree with me. >> I I disagree with you. I I think you're

Shona (DT260)being pretty fair. I don't think you're being bad faith or anything like that. >> Uh we we have this one if you can read. >> Criminals won't give up their guns. Only the good Americans would give up their

Brian Atlasguns. >> And Charlie Kirk was a true patriot and American. >> I have a question for you. Do you think um the the one that came in previously

Brian Atlasabout the UK that UK gave up their guns and their you know subjugated people? >> I don't know the the full history of gun law in the UK. >> They don't they don't really have freedom of speech in the UK. Like >> I don't know about that.

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah, you can just like tweet something and it can be you'll get arrested for like having an opinion basically. >> I don't know if that's necessarily true. I've been the UK plenty of times. My dad's British. I don't think he's ever

Brian Atlasfaced any kind of I mean not even him but like that's not something that happens in the UK. It's pretty democratic there. >> The entailment there would be every single person must be prosecuted of a sort of anti-free speech crime in order

Shona (DT260)like your your argument is well my dad's from the UK. He's never been arrested. >> Okay. No. No. Again, I'm not trying to generalize like specifically talk about him. I don't believe it's the case that you can't say what you believe in in the UK.

Brian Atlas>> I don't believe that's true. Could I put my two cents in about the UK? >> Didn't they recently ban porn? >> Oh, did they? >> There was some No, it's not outright

Brian Atlasbanned, but I think there's some age. You have to be over a certain age to access it, but there's a whole bunch of workarounds or some [ __ ] But >> as far as it goes to the UK, do you think it would be racist for England to

Shona (DT260)not want robust immigration to their country? Absolutely not. >> Well, thank you. But I know you were talking to them, but I was giving my question. When you say when you say

Brian Atlasrobust immigration, do you mean legal immigration? Would it be racist? >> Be both. But let's say how about this? >> Uh I don't think it's racist. You want England to remain English

Brian Atlas>> and not having like even like through legal process like other nationalities. I mean, I suppose the country could allow some degree of legal immigration, >> but they might just say, you know what,

Brian Atlaswe don't want to take in people from it could be, it doesn't have to, you know, could be African countries, it could be Middle Eastern countries, we don't want to take in people from these countries. Do you think that that's problematic? >> I think it I would have to look at the

Shona (DT260)reasoning behind that because it could be a thing of like, oh, white nationalist English, we want this like one identity in our country or >> is that wrong? Is that wrong though? I think I think that's very I think that's wrong. I think that's kind of racist. I

Shona (DT260)think if you looked at it in a way where it's like oh a lot of illegal or even legal immigration is like disrupting like other things like the economy or anything like that then I think >> I mean I that's like more complicated

Brian Atlasbut that's not necessarily racist. >> I see. What about for example >> I think white nationalism is kind of racist but yeah. >> What about Japanese nationalism? >> Oh yeah Japan during like World War II. >> No no no. Um, so what I'm talking about

Brian Atlasis like you realize that the majority of people who live in Japan, they're an ethnic group. They're Japanese. >> Right. >> Right. So would if the Japanese

Brian Atlasthrough their majority political will said, "We want to keep Japan Japanese." >> Mhm. >> Ethnically Japanese. We don't want to allow in immigrants. >> That's bad. I >> think that's bad. So every single

Brian Atlascountry ought to allow in immigrants and they should lose their ethnicity essentially. >> I don't think like when it comes to legal immigration, when it comes to like

Brian Atlaswhat like like who we should accept legally, I don't think you should start discriminating based on ethnicity and race. >> Well, let's say the Japanese, it wasn't like, well, you know what, we're going to let in other, you know, um, Asians,

Brian Atlaswe're going to let in whites, but we won't let in, you know, these other people. They were just like, >> "You know what? >> Nobody can come in. >> We don't We want to keep I mean,

Brian Atlasobviously tourism is okay, right? We want to keep Japan Japanese." Is that Is that wrong for the Japanese people to want that?

Shona (DT260)>> I think I think it's kind of I don't think it's the best thing. I don't think it would benefit Japan. Like there's clearly like there's a lot of people who go to study in Japan, who like work in Japan, like expats and I think like

Shona (DT260)>> I think people from other countries can bring a lot to Japan. So I don't think it's a good thing. I I I don't know. I don't believe in like this whole like >> ethnosentric. What's wrong with Japan as it is? >> Nothing wrong >> and with their own culture and their own

Brian Atlaspeople. What's wrong with them that they're failing? >> Nothing's wrong with Japan as it is. >> But you but you said it would be bad to exclude what these other people are bringing. that would indicate some sort of failing amongst the Japanese populace.

Shona (DT260)>> That's definitely not what I said. Again, what I'm >> sounds like it, but okay. >> Okay. What I'm saying that I don't agree with is this stance of okay, when it comes to who we want to allow in our country, we're going to start discriminating based on ethnicity, based

Shona (DT260)on race, based on like identity things, things to do with that. Like we have certain metrics in the US of like who is allowed in legally. Like you look at like what you're contributing to this country, what kind of job you have. My family's had to go through the whole process. like those are not based on

Shona (DT260)your ethnicity, your race, anything to do with your identity. Those are reasonable, right? Based on ethnicity or identity, then I don't agree with it. That's what I'm saying. >> Well, I think the United States is different in so far as because there's

Brian Atlasso many different populations that have been in the United States. >> Um, but I'm speaking specifically about Japan. >> Um, the Japanese, they are their own ethnicity, right?

Brian Atlas>> And so, I mean, Japan is not purely Japanese. >> Well, sure. Yeah, there are some people that >> uh have moved there, >> but like I don't think for example, if I went through the process and moved to

Brian AtlasJapan and I even became a citizen, I'm not even sure if >> I don't know >> that's even possible really. >> It probably is. There's people who >> there's people who like live there long term can move there. I don't know.

Shona (DT260)>> I think they can gain citizenship. >> Can you? In any case, >> even if I've been there for 20 years and I I do gain citizenship, >> am I Japanese? If you've lived there for 20 years, like you've really assimilated into your life there and the culture there and

Shona (DT260)everything and you have a job there and it's like your nationality now, then yeah, to a degree. >> But I don't think I'm Japanese. >> I mean, I would kind of consider myself

Shona (DT260)American. I'm not like ethnically like a white American or an indigenous an indigenous American. So again, I don't think it depends on your identity. Can what do you call it when a bunch of

Brian Atlaswhite people go to um Asian countries or African countries and they want to take the jobs there? They want to take uh they want to start owning lands there.

Brian AtlasThey want to dictate into that culture, you know, they they want to bring their culture to that culture. What do you call that when white people do that? >> Well, you just mentioned like business ventures and now you're talking about culture. >> You said like they want to own land

Brian Atlasthere. You want you want to own land. Yeah. I mean, >> that's not bringing your culture there, is it? >> Well, these are all separate things. But my question is, when white people go to, you know, various countries all over the

Shona (DT260)world, what would you call that historically? >> I think you're okay. Like, okay, if you're talking specifically like in this case about like a white person like

Brian Atlaspursuing a business venture in Japan, I think that's just someone. But let's say there was a lot of white people that were going to these countries. >> Okay? If they if they start like >> what would we call that?

Shona (DT260)>> If they start conquesting the country and like overriding the government and treating the people badly, then that would be colonization. But that's not what you said earlier. >> Mhm. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But do you have any issue with if there was like you know um say I I'm trying to think of a small a country with a small population I can

Shona (DT260)reference if like the populace of an African country became 25% white >> that would mean like a huge large scale influx of immigration and I think you

Brian Atlascould cap that for other reasons because that would probably be so disruptive to the country and so many other ways >> you know getting more into the politics and wanting to be elected and wanted

Shona (DT260)certain protections for themselves. >> Okay. Well, again, any huge influx of like a group immigrating to another country would cause like repercussions for that country. >> I think people would call that colonialism

Shona (DT260)when white people go to >> if they started like taking over and like overriding the government and like the people there and treating them badly, then that would be like colonist. >> Okay. So what you see currently for example >> this has all like skyrocketed and

Shona (DT260)branched out from me purely saying that I don't think we should discriminate against immigrants based on their identity. That's all I said and now it's like it's gone way beyond that. >> Well, I'm responding to the super chat

Shona (DT260)that mentioned the UK and so for example um London free speech thing. >> You said your dad's from >> he's British. He's from Well, he works in London but he's from a different part of the UK. Yeah. So I mean my position

Brian Atlasis that >> you I don't know if you like this one is uh the British people >> have lost their capital. >> So >> I don't keep up much with British

Brian Atlaspolitics. You may have to clarify. >> As somebody who's traveled recently, I've >> been to Amsterdam so forth. I've seen these countries firsthand. >> Aren't they beautiful?

Brian Atlasthey don't look much like how they looked like 20 30 years ago. But um I mean it's plausible that with all the immigration that's coming in and not just the immigration uh you know there's

Brian Atlasa whole bunch of reasons for this but for example uh I guess I would call them like nativeborn people in these countries so actual like British people

Brian Atlasum birth rate super low immigrant populations they're having six seven eight children right so what are we going to see in 30 40 50 years 100 years

Shona (DT260)in a lot of these European countries where there really isn't a coherent national identity and these countries are basically become Muslim countries. >> You think in 30 years European countries

Shona (DT260)such >> perhaps not 30 years but >> you said 20 30 years now >> well there's going to be a trend. I think that people have immigrated to the UK to the US for a long time now and it's not really become an issue and it's

Brian Atlasnot >> define define long time. This is really a pretty recent thing starting in the 2000s. There was obviously immigration in the 807s ' 80s 90s but for the mass

Brian Atlasvast majority of human history Germany, France, England, Scandinavia, all these countries they've been white countries. Now you might say Brian this is a bit racist. I would point out

Brian Atlas>> I'm not saying that I think >> I would point out though that white people globally are a minority. >> So there are >> like statistically like >> like if we compare all >> out of eight billion people >> Yes. out of eight billion people white people are minority.

Shona (DT260)>> Sure. >> There's more. >> Isn't isn't in that like in that same sense like isn't every race kind of a minority because like Chinese people that's 1 billion out of 8 billion. So that's like the minority of people

Brian Atlasright? Like what's the logic in saying that? So it'd be the the total number of all the people that belong to that race. So my understanding is white people are the the there's the least amount of

Brian Atlaswhite people if you compare them to black people, Asian people, uh like what would be >> by a huge margin or like I don't think by a huge margin there's the least amount of white people. >> I don't know. Can we find Nick find the

Brian Atlasstats that I mean find the stats so I guess my position would be >> if various African countries were to say or Asian countries were to say >> we want

Brian Atlas>> our country we don't want to allow immigration from these other countries whether it's if you're an African country you say we we don't want a bunch of white people coming here I'm that's I

Brian Atlasthink that that's fine I don't see I don't see a problem there or if you're Japan and you're like, "We don't want to let in these other

Brian Atlasimmigrants. We want to remain Japanese to maintain our our ethnicity." >> I don't actually see a problem with that. I actually think it would be

Brian Atlasracist if we said as this global population, we had to imprint our views and dictate to the Japanese people how they ought to govern their country. I think that that would be racist. And for us to say

Brian Atlas>> right, >> you need to do away with the Japanese ethnicity and have this homogeneous, >> you know, you know, [ __ ] wian blazian just [ __ ] mix it up and then the Japanese ethnicity

Shona (DT260)>> is completely diver. >> So I think your argument that I can I can see a little bit is like okay the ethnic national identity is still important to the country and should be preserved to some degree. So what I think where our viewpoints can kind of

Shona (DT260)coales there where we could maybe both see eye to eye is like okay you can have your cap of legal immigration we want to let this many in per year and then like within that you don't discriminate based on ethnicity and identity right so you

Shona (DT260)can say we only want this amount of people coming into our country per year in order to preserve like our national identity our economy or whatever it is but then within those within however many people they're letting in per year

Shona (DT260)they don't start being discriminatory and prejudiced that's what That's where I think we could maybe >> I mean Okay. >> Okay. That's See, that's a win, right? >> I this I mean

Brian Atlas>> See, I'm trying to like get to honestly the United States is there are valid issues and criticisms, you know, of how society is.

Brian Atlas>> But like you go to almost any other country and like the the racism there is robust. >> Oh, totally. Yeah. >> Like it's insane. Like you think the US

Brian Atlasis bad? Like I'm I'm not This isn't really uh >> Did I ever say that I think the US is the most racist country? >> Oh, heck yeah. >> There's certainly racism in the US, but I'm not trying to do like a racist >> Japanese people. They're racist against

Brian Atlasother Asian. >> Yeah, Indians are super racist to like Chinese people, black people. >> African countries. I have an Indian mother and a white father. What was it with in Rwanda like the Well, I maybe that was more >> a little bit religion based with the

Brian Atlaswhatever. Was it like the Sunni and the Shiite or what? I don't [ __ ] know. >> Okay. >> I don't know. In any case, >> all countries have a lot of racism and there's some with more than others. Sure. >> But like for example, like I think about Sweden. I think about Norway.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> I I don't actually see the problem with them. And they've brought on they've brought in a ton of immigrants, right? >> I don't actually see the problem with them saying, you know what, we want to

Brian Atlasmaintain like our Scandinavian uh national identity and heritage. We don't want to bring in any more immigrants. I I don't actually see a problem with that in the same way that I don't see a

Shona (DT260)problem with if African countries don't want to bring in other ethnicities. I don't see >> if you're completely if you're completely capping immigration like that, that's one thing. But then if you're having a certain amount of

Shona (DT260)immigration and you're like again you're picking and choosing and you're discriminating and you're being prejudiced kind of then that's where I take issue, right? And I think when you look at the US, which is not like

Shona (DT260)ethnically like one single ethnicity, right? Then to suddenly be discriminatory is a lot has a lot different implications because we are not just one ethnicity. Like >> yeah, I think the United States is a lot more diverse.

Brian Atlas>> The United States to quote Charlie Kirk is a propositional nation. So it's not strictly just just white people, you know, like >> so >> so I think the implications of being discriminatory against certain types of

Brian Atlasimmigrants here. >> I think you can just be a lot worse. >> Well, no. I think just you could be against immigr immigration across the board. It wouldn't have to necessarily be at all related to race. You could just be against >> You could be Yeah, but I mean I don't agree with that stance either for

Shona (DT260)separate reasons. I think immigrants they do bring a lot into the country when it is optimized. >> Mhm. But that is a separate point and that's not necessarily as white nationalist if you don't agree with immigration. >> Well, I could debate you on that, but I feel like

Brian Atlas>> I want to let these other girls have a chance to talk. We've gone too long. So, um, okay, here we have some chats coming through. >> No, it's fun though. I like >> Hold on. You get to read these for me, please.

Shona (DT260)>> Oh god. At least 12 Sharia courts in the UK. Sharia courts. Okay. Muslim mayor after Muslim mayor. I don't see that as any different than Christian mayor after

Shona (DT260)Christian mayor. Okay, sorry. And more and more draconian behavior by the police, but sure they aren't a defeated people. You want to talk about draconian behavior by the police? Look at this country. And also, I don't see how the

Shona (DT260)religion of a mayor is at all relevant to their job as a mayor so long as they're not completely dictating their political views and what they're doing based on their religion.

Brian Atlas>> What? Really quick, what's dracon what's draconian about the police in the United States? >> Police brutality perhaps?

Shona (DT260)>> I acknowledge that that would occur, but is that is there widpread? Like is this policy in the departments? >> I'm not saying majority of police commit police brutality, but in instances of police brutality which are not like

Shona (DT260)there's more than one case of that occurring. There's a lot of cases. I think that is draconian when they're not following protocol. And like Sonia Massie was a woman who got shot in the head when she >> when she was holding up a pot of boiling water to check on if it was cooking.

Brian Atlas>> She got shot. >> Yeah, I saw that video. That was that was >> pretty disgusting. >> That was a clear example of police misconduct and an unjustified Yeah, sure. >> I'm pulling that draconian. >> Yeah, absolutely. I'm I'm on board with

Brian Atlasyou. There are absolutely instances of >> unjustified police killings, police brutality. There's no dispute there. Yeah, sure. >> Um, but across the board, draconian police practices and laws,

Shona (DT260)>> I'm not so sure. >> I'm not so sure either, but I'm talking about in cases where they're not I'm talking about in cases where police are not following protocol, which again are not like one off standalone events.

Brian AtlasThere's many standalone events. >> Yeah. And I would join you agree with me. I would join Hold on. I would join you in condemning instances of >> uh police >> brutality or police overextending.

Shona (DT260)>> So, >> so I'm kind of calling that draconian, but okay. Anyway, >> I'll happily bite the bullet on this one. No one not not on should we discriminate based on ethnicity and

Shona (DT260)culture of immigrants. We have a duty to each nation has a duty to maintain cultural cohesion. So I guess this person just believes in like complete like ethnic nationalism for every

Shona (DT260)country. No immigration, no diversity, nothing of that sort. Culture should not even interact with each other probably according to this person. >> I mean I'm not even really on immigration. I'm not really so uh interested in that. I'm just >> I wouldn't be here. It would just be it

Brian Atlaswould just be like the three white people here according to this person. >> Well, I'm not I'm more so interested like there's much more compelling arguments at least in the United States as it relates to immigration. And I would argue really even for Japan for example,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> It's not even an ethnic argument that that's like way down the list like whatever. It's more so what are the impacts of immigration >> and other impacts aside from ethnicity

Shona (DT260)like I completely agree with you there. Like even in the US I think when you have like complete unchartered whatever like let's let everyone in that has adverse consequences for sure that we could both agree on right. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Definitely adverse.

Shona (DT260)>> Yes. That's why I'm kind of moderate when it comes to serving. >> Can I have you read this one for me? >> I live in Minnesota and I've witnessed the lack of assimilation from the Somali people we had the most. It's become the paradox of tolerance

Shona (DT260)and they don't assimilate and it's a problem for both sides. I mean, I don't know much about like Somali people immigrating into Minnesota, but my guess is that they're refugees of some sort and I would assume that their situation

Shona (DT260)in Minnesota is probably better than their situation back in Somalia, >> right? >> Yeah, probably. probably. So I I don't think it's bad for Somali people to be safer than wherever they were before because Somalia is not a very safe country.

Brian Atlas>> Well, in that case, wouldn't the entailment of your position be we should transplant the entire population of Somalia into the United States? >> No, that's a very

Shona (DT260)>> Well, why not? It would be better here >> because again, like a huge influx of immigration from any given group is obviously like it's hard to accommodate a huge amount of people just like that, right? I think I mean I really I like I

Shona (DT260)wish there was like a way to like help as many refugees as possible and I mean it's hard though because there's not always the space for that right so like in a controlled manner then I hope that we could help out more Somali refugees of course

Brian Atlas>> I mean I would also point out that while there are refugees who are genuinely fleeing some sort of persecution >> or something like that um a lot of uh immigrants they're they're actually just economic immigrants

SPEAKER_00Okay. >> They're they're just here. >> I think people they want to like move on from this topic in the chat. >> Yeah, probably. >> Probably. >> I'm not trying to like drag it on. I want to let like everyone else have a chance to speak. >> We have some chats though coming through.

SPEAKER_00>> HT George donated $200 thanks to feminism and Israel's plan for a greater Israel in the Middle East. A lot of countries have a birth rate crisis and a worker shortage, so

Brian Atlaseveryone better get used to immigrants for a while. Uh, okay. I mean, I think there's address you can address like birth rate crisis

Brian Atlasstuff without necessarily resorting to immigration for it. Uh, thank you for the message though. Oddism below the threshold also. We have goat bricks in here. Thank you for the message though, but it's just a display. And then Nick,

Brian Atlaswe have merch coming up here. Goat Brixen, thank you for that. Below the threshold, but I appreciate your message, Goat Brixen. We have John McCarthy. Looks like he bought something

Brian Atlason the merch store. If you can pull >> merch get yourself get yourself one of those. Uh, hold on. We have some other

Brian Atlaschats too coming in. >> Hold on. And then yo, Diego, did that come through? Did the one from Diego just come through? Hold on one sec. Then we have super chats. You guys are

Brian Atlassending in a bunch. So, we're going to get back to dating here in just a sec, guys. >> We should. Yeah. All right, >> Brian.

SPEAKER_00>> I show Speed donated $200. >> Who is excited for me to come on the Whatever podcast. >> Uh, apparently we're having I show Speed coming on the show. What's up? >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> yeah. Every We got pizza. Who wants pizza? >> Me. >> Everybody. >> It's tiring. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Everybody. And then

Brian Atlasuh Okay, here we have two more chats here. Uh oh, the supers. Let me do the supers really quick. All right, >> one sec, guys. >> Oh my gosh.

Brian Atlas>> All right, guys. Like the video if you're enjoying the stream. Got a little political there for a bit, but >> I'm sure I've pissed off the entire panel talking about politics here. >> Sorry, guys. >> It's It's her fault. Blame Blame Sha for >> asking me questions. >> Blame her. It's all her fault.

Shona (DT260)>> His fault. Uh, >> we already saw that. >> I had to wait three months to get my handgun. Oh, can you read these? You'll be reading these >> in Washington. I had to wait three months to get my handgun after FBI and

Shona (DT260)ATF checks. A criminal can rob a house and have a gun in 1 hour. How's your gun control working for you? I think that we in that means that we need more effective gun control methods if it didn't work for some criminal.

Brian Atlasagain it you can just obtain it illegally and >> well then more should be done so that people can't obtain it illegally. your your solutions are to uh

Brian Atlas>> I didn't mean name any solutions >> legal protections in place but illegal would suggest that >> regardless of what the RS are the excuse me regardless of what the laws are

Mariuh it wouldn't prevent somebody from getting a gun >> and I hope there's a solution we having a mukbang can we >> read read this for me please

Shona (DT260)>> thank you >> I Can't wait to annihilate Andrew Wilson in the debate November 10th on your channel. Keep making a diff difference. Brian, you're legendary. >> If you guys >> Okay. >> Yeah, just lean back a little bit just

Brian Atlaswhile you're chewing. Uh, okay. >> Andrew Wilson says some crazy things. >> Roma Army, thank you. I'm going to stay neutral on that. But, uh, thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it. We will be having you guys do a debate. Uh, we

Shona (DT260)have this. >> Oh god. Chair one, >> do you think it's the it's right that the government is giving immigrants 3,000 a month in free money and free phones, but we can't help homeless

Brian AtlasAmericans and veterans living on the streets? I think that means we should do more to help homeless Americans and veterans living on the streets. >> Or what if we just redirected all that money to the homeless?

Brian Atlas>> Why don't we redirect the money we're sending Israel every year, >> the 18 billion we sent them last year? Sorry, that's my response. Like we don't have to get >> I mean that's a that's a great what

Brian Atlasaboutism. Um but yeah, it's a completely different thing. But if we're talk like that sort of help that the the greater relation here is

Brian Atlasthat the sort of help that we're providing to immigrants, it's the exact same help that could be going to homeless people. So like homeless people in the America, uh, we can't like send

Brian Atlasthem ballistic missiles. Like we can't give homeless people ballistic missiles and all this other sort of like firearms and [ __ ] I guess you could give homeless people firearms if you like if you wanted some entertainment like bum

Brian Atlasfights or whatever. That [ __ ] would be [ __ ] lit. But but the aid that we're giving to Israel doesn't align with like what we could the actual similarities

Shona (DT260)that we could be providing to homeless people. Mhm. Also, I don't believe all immigrants are just getting $3,000 a month. My I'm an immigrant. My family is not getting that. Like, is this like every single person who's immigrated?

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. Were you were born in Do you have United States citizenship or No? >> No, I have a green card. >> Okay. Um I think typically when we're talking about immigrants receiving

Shona (DT260)payments, we're talking about like just arrived and you have your green card. So, yeah. >> Okay. Regardless, I still think my response to that, this person clearly thinks more should be done for veterans

Shona (DT260)and homeless Americans. I also agree that more should be done and the US does have the resources and money to help homeless people and veterans. So, >> okay. Can you read this one? >> Each country is allowed to police the

Shona (DT260)standards they want for their country, whether it's religion, politics, EDC, otherwise there's nothing but a colonial mindset. >> Good times. Thank you. Okay. But I don't think you should push

Brian Atlas>> things that have to do with religion and identity too much as a democratic government. >> What about in countries where they do have like a theological rule? >> I mean like ultimately I can't see

Shona (DT260)everything from like an American perspective. Like there are there are other countries that have like their own history and like ways of doing things that I can't necessarily disrespect. So I guess in those cases then >> that could potentially be true. But when

Brian Atlastalking about the US, I don't think that should dominate like the government and the way that he thinks. >> Can I ask you a question? If I wanted to move to Mexico, >> right, >> and live there and I overstayed my visa,

Brian Atlaswhatever, because I don't know, the cost of living there is like super cheap and there's like really beautiful there there's really beautiful places in Mexico, fantastic beach towns, etc.,

Brian Atlasetc. Um, would you have an issue if Mexico deported me >> if you overstayed your visa? Yeah, >> but I No, but I want to stay there. >> But then you have you have to go through the legal process of staying there then. >> Okay. So, just to be clear, then you're

Shona (DT260)in favor of deporting all illegal immigrants in this country. >> Not into throwing them into like that prison in El Salvador with deadly gang members. I'm not I don't I'm not a fan of the methods that I been using to

Brian Atlasdeploy. >> I think most people are not receiving like that sort of treatment or whatever. I don't I don't know the details. Are they from El Salvador? then we should probably deport them to Al Salvador. >> No, no, no. People in the US who like

Brian Atlasthey've >> No, no, but should we deport people who are here illegally? >> I think that's a very complicated question. I >> But hold on. Why should if I go to Mexico and I I'm there illegally?

Shona (DT260)>> Mhm. >> Why don't you have a prescriptive take on the Mexican government against deporting me? Now, if you had said that you have your whole life in Mexico for a long time and you have kids there, >> I've moved there. I'm like, you have like kids there. You have grandkids

Shona (DT260)there. >> I can buy a [ __ ] burrito for $1. >> You have a whole I [ __ ] love it in Mexico. Beautiful. >> No, no, not just like your enjoyment. Like you have family there. You have a life settled into there. Do I think you should suddenly be thrown out the way I thrown?

Brian Atlas>> So, to be clear, what's your threshold for like if they've been here under a year, you're fine with them being deported? >> It's hard to draw a line there, but my overall take, >> okay, then I shouldn't be deported from Mexico then. If you've just gone like

Brian Atlasyou've stayed your overstayed your visa for six months, that's not >> Yeah, I flew there and I was like, you know what, Mexico's [ __ ] dope. I'm just I'm going to stay there. [ __ ] the Mexican laws. [ __ ] their laws. I don't give a [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> I think you can be ethically deported. >> What's that? >> I think in that case, you can be ethically deported and not >> So why can't why wouldn't that be the case of people who've been here for 6 months? >> Who've been here for in the US for 6 months?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. came here illegally, whether it's crossing the border or they overstayed their visa or whatever. >> So, what has happened to people in the US who like >> Okay, I I'll go ahead and grant that. Sure. There's been like bad things that

Shona (DT260)have happened. I don't think it's the majority of the people. Should they be deported? >> Have you heard of the prison in El Salvador? It's called Sikhut and it's like this prison where they throw deadly like gang members who have killed like 30 people in El Salvador. Like tatted like dangerous people. They're throwing

Brian Atlaspeople who've overstayed. >> Okay. So, so you think like some like a Canadian who's overstayed their welcome here gets deported to El Salvador? >> You have? Yes. You You have to look into it. >> Canadians have been deported to El

Brian AtlasSalvador. >> No, because you know why? Cuz Well, no. No, not really. Because like there's not. >> So, the >> we're not really looking at large scales of Canadian immigration. >> Been deported to Al Salvador. >> Mexican

Brian AtlasSalvadorians. >> There are many different ethnicities. They're not necessarily all Salvadorian at all. There's no like >> it's possible that mix-ups can occur. >> It's not a mixup. It doesn't matter. Like >> no, there's not robust just we don't give a [ __ ] your country of origin.

Brian Atlas>> We'll throw you there anyway. That's what it is. No. >> Whether Yes. Oh my gosh. Someone pull it out. >> Also, that prison has very limited like it has a limited population. It's already full of not even immigrants, people in El Salvador who have committed

Brian Atlascrimes. >> Okay. Trump is trying to put anyone who is like >> Okay. How many how many illegal immigrants are in this country? >> I don't know. >> How many of them have been deported to >> I'm not saying >> El Salvadorian prisons

Shona (DT260)all even if there was a thousand people answer my central point. >> Should illegal immigrants in this country be deported? >> Not the way ICE has been doing it. and not it's a

Shona (DT260)>> nuance how >> like ripping people away from their families and throwing them to like a bus and taking them back to like a dangerous situation because they saw one tattoo on them that was maybe connected to a gang. >> Okay, great. But then maybe it wasn't

Brian Atlaseven connected one example and I think there was actually robust evidence he was gang affiliated. In any case, I'm asking look if I go to Mexico, you seem to agree that the Mexican government has

Brian Atlasthe authority to I overstay my visa. I'm like, "No, I want to stay." And who who knows? Maybe I knock up a a little senorita while I'm there. I knock her up. I got a little mama mama baby mama in Mexico.

Brian Atlas>> You have a family there. You have a child booty Latina kicking it in Mexico. >> And I I got a family. >> Then I don't think you should suddenly just be thrown out. >> Yeah. And look, my solution to that to

Brian Atlascapt like look look my solution. >> So your your argument is I need to just [ __ ] a Mexican woman, get her pregnant and then I can stay in Mexico. >> Facts.

Shona (DT260)>> That's your sign. Yeah. Anyways, so >> to to kind of like cons to make this more concise, what I think the ultimate solution when it comes to illegal immigration to do is to prevent it in

Shona (DT260)the first place with like secure borders and control in that regard. >> Okay. >> Rather than having to like throw and rip apart families the way I has been doing it. Cuz I don't believe in that. >> I hope. >> Okay. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I I mean I'm just >> Okay. Like >> how how would you want them to do it? Like these people are clearly resisting. They're here in the country illegally.

Shona (DT260)That's a crime. So >> people who have families and who are now law-abiding and have jobs here because they came here legally. >> So can I just can I move to Japan? Like

Brian AtlasJapan's super dope. Can I just move to Japan and just >> say [ __ ] you to their laws? >> You mean like not following their laws, breaking laws there?

Brian Atlas>> No. No. I can I can be law abiding, but they have immigration laws in Japan. Can I just say, you know what, [ __ ] the the laws that the will of the people of Japan have determined they want for

Brian Atlastheir country. Can I just move there and be like, you know what, I yo, Japan's [ __ ] dope. Can I just kick stay in Japan? >> I don't think that's right of you if you did that. I don't agree with my [ __ ] So, is it wrong for people who are here

Shona (DT260)illegally to do what they're doing? >> Again, I would rather them. Okay. Sure. Yes. >> Right. I don't think people should immigrate illegally. I believe that there should not be bad

Brian Atlastreatment of people once I believe in how ISIS treated people who have immigrated here whether it be illegally or not. >> I totally agree. But if you start >> You agree you agree that ISIS is treating people badly. >> There's probably No, no, hold on. I

Brian Atlasagree with you that they Hold on. No. I agree with you that if you're under arrest, you're owed certain whether you're a citizen or an immigrant, you're

Brian Atlasowed certain protections. We obviously can't like police brutality immigrants. However, if you're going to resist arrest,

Brian Atlasthen the police like if I if I a cop is trying to arrest me for I don't know pimping or some [ __ ] I don't know what the [ __ ] he's trying to a cop is trying

Brian Atlasto arrest me and I resist arrest. Police have authority to use an escalation of force to secure my arrest. >> And I I don't know what else to tell

Brian Atlasyou. Like, do you expect cops to just be like, "Please, will you please cop?" No, the cops are going to use the necessary force to secure the arrest. So,

Shona (DT260)>> I don't think great measures of force should be used on people who are like a mother who like is being torn apart from her family. >> Well, is she resisting arrest in which case they're >> when someone has their whole life set up

Shona (DT260)in America, I don't think that should suddenly be just disregarded. >> Okay. But then >> because suddenly you're not treating I I believe like the overall principle of the government and our leadership is that we should be treating people right and we should look out for the

Shona (DT260)betterment of society. And when you have so many immigrants in the US, I don't think you can suddenly turn around and treat them badly because they broke a law. Again, my take on immigration is that we should prevent illegal immigration in the first place so that eventually we don't have to do this to them and we don't have to rip them

Brian Atlasapart. >> So you're in favor of like robust border. Okay. You believe like build the wall? Like I I don't understand how clearly

Brian Atlasillegal immigrants get into the country and it's extremely difficult to prevent it at the border, but people can be apprehended once they're already into the country. >> I hope they can be apprehended as soon

Brian Atlasas possible. So what's happening to >> Well, doesn't happen in the future. >> Okay. So, you're just saying we should reward the people that are the mo the sneakiest, I guess. I I mean, I don't understand. I'm saying we shouldn't rip families apart and throw them into vans

Shona (DT260)and then just send them to like a dangerous situation. >> They should come here legally. >> Then there's processes to do that >> and then that wouldn't happen. >> Processes that are maybe more ethical than what's being done. Sure, but not

Mariwhat's being done. >> I'm sorry. Like is my argument that like tiring to you? >> My whole family came from Colombia. So like my mom is from Colombia. She was

Mariborn there and they were all able to do the proper things be to become legal. >> I don't think it's that all you have to do is a test. >> Come here legally. >> Like you just become legal. >> Yeah. Like it is a lot of money but all you have to do is a test.

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah. Just >> it's so easy to gain um legal status in the US. So >> I'm just saying this. Exactly. >> So easy sarcastic. If,

Brian Atlasfor example, local jurisdiction, if the Santa Barbara Santa Barbara County Sheriff can like enthusiastically pursue

Brian Atlascharging college students with minor in possession of alcohol, and trust me, they robustly they're out there, like specifically out there to catch some like naive 18-year-old holding a white clock hand.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, tell me about it. >> And they want and and they >> tell me about it. the the district attorney's office [ __ ] loves getting that fine money from 18-year-olds who

Brian Atlashad a [ __ ] can like a can of beer. If they can enforce that then yeah I think we can enforce our immigration laws and I I don't know it's like >> in better ways than what's being done. Sure.

Shona (DT260)>> Hopefully. I wish. >> Okay. In any case, >> I just want I want to pre I again I don't believe people should just come in here like unchartered and I would rather people be prevented from coming in the first place. I just want people to be

Shona (DT260)like if they have a whole family here whether or not they legally they immigrated legally or not that they should be treated better than how they are. >> Um I guess >> again I want to give all the other >> Yeah. Yeah. Final thing on the

Brian Atlasimmigration thing. So my understanding is Nick remember that oh can you Google the I think it's the Mexican Constitution. >> You can't protest unless you're a

Brian Atlascitizen. >> Uh, can you Where's Nick? >> That's bad. By the way, I don't believe in that. Everyone should have the right. >> For example, you you would agree that there are expats like ex US citizens that live in Mexico. >> Sure. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And so, let's say there are probably illegal immigrants living in Mexico. Okay. >> Like people who just >> they went to Mexico, they're they're American and they just stayed. Right.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Imagine if there was a bunch of like Americans in in Mexico rioting in the streets about Mexico

Brian Atlasdeporting Americans. Do you think that like you think that would go over well? And do you think like Mexican citizens would like also join and be like no keep the Americans?

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. Wait, sorry. Can you say that again? >> Well, so there's a law. I believe it's in the Mexican. Do you have it, Mary? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Can you pull it up? >> If there are lots of American immigrants in the in Mexico and certainly

Brian Atlas>> in Mexico, foreigners are legally prohibited from participating in political protests and risk detention and deportation under article 33 >> of the Mexican. So, you can't even

Shona (DT260)protest, right? Um, >> you said rioting just now. I don't believe I think there's a difference between rioting and protesting peacefully. So if these people are peacefully protesting about whatever they believe in, >> if you're in Mexico and you're

Brian Atlaspeacefully protesting, but you're not a citizen, they're just going to deport you. So even if you're there, >> that's kind of bad. Yeah, I don't agree with that. >> All right, but why is the criticism always towards the United States and not

Shona (DT260)towards other countries who have way harsher punishments? >> I don't agree with if Mexico says that you can't peacefully protest if you're from another country, then I I criticize that. And I have plenty of criticisms for many other countries. It's fine. I

Brian Atlasthink it's fine. Actually, >> I criticize like I would criticize any country. >> Why should >> you should be It's a privilege to be visiting a country. >> It's a privilege to be a tourist

Brian Atlassomewhere. You should while you're a tourist somewhere. I don't think you should involve yourself in the political happenings of that country. >> If it's a democratic country, then you have the right to though. >> So, >> I don't think I

Swanie>> democracy doesn't pick and choose just because you're a tourist there. Well, citizens are afforded more civil liberties and protections typically. >> I have my two cents. So, like what if

Swanieyou literally have a birth right trip to Israel? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Wait, what? >> Like what if you have a birthright trip to Israel?

SwanieLike despite the whole thing that's going on between Gaza and >> Yeah. Many people do. >> What? >> Yeah. Like >> the birthright trip. >> Yeah. >> What What about it? Like, do you think

Swaniethat's still insensitive to still go bes despite all the [ __ ] that's happening? >> I don't see how it I I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.

Swanie>> No, cuz I'm just like, yes, I guess it's a birthright trip and everything, but it's a fact that there's a whole genocide and there's a whole war going on, but you're still choosing to go to Israel.

Mari>> Um, >> I don't see how that correlates to what we're lost. Wait, but I do have something to say. I feel like the United States is literally like one of the

Marieasiest places to get like to be legal and like it shouldn't be easy to become legal in another country. You should know about the country and that's the

Maritest they take and like a lot of people were capable of doing it. So I I don't think it's that hard to become legal. >> We have some chats coming through here. >> Can you read this one for us?

Shona (DT260)They don't assimilate though they are trying to change our ways into their ways and they're rude to us. Even my left-wing mom hates it. I don't think immigrants are going up to American citizens and telling them to subscribe

SPEAKER_00to their beliefs and their culture. I think most of them are trying to just make a living for themselves and raise their kids properly. >> Okay. [Music] >> Pasty George donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> This has money to spend. Middle Eastern immigrants get wage subsidies from the government to encourage businesses to hire them. Many of them also get grants to start businesses, which are very hard to get.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you, Pacey George. He has three more in a row coming. Sorry for the delay on these, brother. >> My god. >> By the way, Pacy George, I'm going to hook you up with a special TTS noise. So, but you got to respond to me on Instagram. Okay. Special TTS noise,

SPEAKER_00guys. Read 100 TTS 200. >> Pasty George donated $200. There's a reason why many immigrants are coming from the Middle East to countries like Canada, America, Britain, etc., but

Shona (DT260)nobody seems to notice or think critically about it. Everyone just reacts. >> Maybe because they're trying to flee dangerous situations, not because they're trying to take over and rule other countries.

SPEAKER_00>> You know what? I I'd be open to investing in these other countries to build up these other countries. >> Me, too. Hasty George donated $200. It's very unfortunate that ICE is

SPEAKER_00breaking up families in America, but that is the only way right now to deal with illegal immigrants. They can't all detain them and America is already in high debt. >> So, what is >> I'm glad you think it's unfortunate.

Brian AtlasIt's very unfortunate. >> No, continue. >> No, I was like, what does death have to do with breaking up families? >> Scoot the mic to the edge of the table. Don't >> George donated $200 to the

SPEAKER_00>> edge of the table. >> A lot of the corporations, companies, and businesses in America were taking advantage of illegal immigrants and saving on taxes by paying them low wages

Brian Atlasand giving them zero benefits. >> True. True. All right. Thank you, Pasty George. We have Mr. Baseman. You're going to read this one once it's come up.

Brian Atlas>> Once it comes up, guys, read is 100, TTS 200. Get it in if you'd like. We're gonna Guys, we're gonna get to dating. We're gonna get to dating. Okay. Um, >> no. I feel bad.

Shona (DT260)>> I blame her. I swear you keep asking me these like drawn out hypotheticals and I just have to answer them. >> It's all your fault. >> Okay. Do I read this? >> It's all your fault. >> It's his fault. >> Oh, yes. Read it.

Shona (DT260)>> Brian, you must render a most severe >> Here, I'll I'll pull it back up. >> Look, I've been trying to move the conversation, too. >> It's okay. It's okay. We're good. Go ahead. Read it. You must render a most

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