DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Shona (DT260)severe rebuke to your chat. There's a disturbing amount of sing. Disgusting slash unacceptable. Likewise, I hereby rebuke you for being a big Mac with big

Brian Atlasears. Chair one zip it idiot. Okay, you just spent $100 to like say something to me. So, I feel like >> rebuked. I rebuke the chat, I guess. Um,

Brian Atlaslet's see here. Uh, okay. We'll do those later. All right. And then we have the soup chat here from Pelagic. Let me have you read this one. >> Oh god.

Shona (DT260)The fantasy land she lives in was created by the very things she loathes. Men fighting with guns for freedom. We live in the good times on the precipice of the downturn.

Brian Atlas>> Pelagic, thanks for the super chat, man. Appreciate it. Guys, if you want to get your own message in, read is a hundred. We do those in batches and then TTS gets priority. That's 200 for TTS. That's streamlabs.com/ whatever. Only

Shona (DT260)streamlabs.com. >> I don't think men with guns gave me access to education and things that actually helped me in my life. I don't I certainly don't think their guns had anything to do with it. But okay. >> Well, force everything boils down to force.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> So, everything like almost everything that you enjoy >> is because there's rough men that >> with guns >> are anonymous that are ready to do harm on your behalf. >> I don't have a problem with men who have

Shona (DT260)guns. I have a problem with men who have guns and then shoot up schools. >> Yeah, that that that's bad. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm saying that's what I have a problem with when it comes to gun violence. But this person is saying

Shona (DT260)like, "Oh, I I loathe men with guns. I don't loathe men with guns. I loathe gun violence. That is bad in a >> Yeah, gun violence bad." >> Do you think that's reasonable for me to say? >> Yeah, I think gun gun violence is bad. Of course.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Okay. So, I'm just saying I don't loathe men with guns inherently like this person is saying. >> Okay. I loathe gun violence. >> Cool. Uh we have Venmo Cash App guys. Uh if you want whatever pod for both if you

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Brian Atlasbeen an hour since we've had a prime sub. I think it's bugs boys. Drop us a prime sub. Also get some merch and discord and like the video. Okay. All right, cool. Let's get to some I apologize to the panel.

Brian AtlasYou know, look, you had a little political convo there. I all the blame is totally It's her fault. >> All her fault. Blame her. Don't blame me. >> It was fun, though. >> It was good. It was good. So, we'll we'll get you guys into the convo here. >> I want to talk to Andrew Wilson.

Brian Atlas>> Now, she's going to be like, "All right, let me tell you all my every single one of my uh dating tips. >> My lack of relationships." >> Uh yo, Kaibaka, thank you for the gifted 20 subs. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Brian AtlasAppreciate it. Thank you guys for all the support. Okay, let's see here. We have We're gonna get into some of the pre-show notes. Actually, really quick.

Brian AtlasUm, okay, we did that. Boom, boom, boom. Uh, I Oh, I wanted to ask everybody's orientation,

Brian Atlaslike straight, bisexual, lesbian, whatever, gay, pan, whatever it is. Uh, orientation. >> I'm straight. >> Straight. I don't have one. I'm just whatever.

Swanie>> Okay. So, you'll like you'll date women, you'll date men. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What about you? >> Bisexual. >> Okay. Is your current you you're in a relationship. >> With a man. Okay. What about you?

Swanie>> Personally, I don't like labels, but >> a little closer to the mic if you could. >> I personally don't like labels, so I go by anything.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh, all of the above. What about you? >> Yeah. Straight. >> Straight. Okay. >> Straight. >> Okay. What about you? >> Straight. >> All right. That's cool. Uh I wanted to

Brian AtlasOh, for you. I noticed um I wanted to ask you have uh armpit hair. Okay.

Shona (DT260)Does >> anybody else here have armpit hair? Like you know >> I mean all women naturally grow armpit hair. >> Well, I have a question about that. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, what do you think of pubic hair? >> What? Like, what do you mean? >> Like, if a woman has pubic hair, would you care? >> What are we talking about? Like, full

Swaniebush jungle. What are we talking? >> I mean, cuz like clearly you care about armpit hair. So, like, would you care if a woman has pubic hair if you're >> I mean, I didn't even give my position

Swanieon armpit hair, but um I I'll tell you my preference. I prefer minimal or bare. Okay, that's valid. Landing strip.

Brian Atlas>> That's valid. >> Yeah, that's my preference. Um, it's okay if women have preferences too on that, you know. Uh, but I was curious, has that ever been an issue with dating? >> That's never been an issue with me. Does

Swanieyour >> I was talking to me. I was just giving my opinion. >> No, it's all good. >> No one I've ever been with has expressed >> see it by the way.

KiraNo one I've been with has ever expressed any frustration with it. And sometimes I'll get curious and I'll ask and be like, >> "Have you always bother like or how long have you had it like that?" >> You know what? I did shave my armpits for a little bit. Like um

Kira>> what made you >> Yeah. Well, I started shaving them because that's what my mom told me I was. >> Um and then I was like sick of it. >> Do you shave your legs?

Kira>> I do because I like how it feels when my legs are shaved. I don't like how it feels when my armpits are shaved. >> That's really all there is to it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, cool.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Whatever makes you happy. >> And, uh, let's see here. Okay. Oh, uh, who here has a septum piercing? We got one, we got two. Anybody else? Septum piercing.

Brian Atlas>> I use >> Have you guys YouTube encountered men who dislike the septum piercing? because I have heard, you know, nose ring theory, septum ring theory. I've I've heard some complaints from

Brian Atlas>> I've heard about that before. >> Heard some complaints. I don't think all guys have an issue with it, but just curious your own experience. Any issues? >> Okay. So, I actually just got mine last month. Oh, >> it's new. Okay.

Love>> But before when I was in high school when I wanted one, um my boyfriend at the time told me that I would look ugly with it if I had gotten it. And so, I kind of was just like, "Okay, I won't get it anymore." But then I, you know, turned 18 and was like, I can get

Kirawhatever I want. So, I finally decided just to get it. But I did have problems with it before. >> Okay. >> But that was when I didn't have it. >> All right. What about you? Any any issues or >> No, this is this is boring. I've No one has ever >> Okay.

Kira>> said they don't like it. And I have also asked and been like, "Do you wish I didn't have nose piercings?" And people usually just say that they suit me. Well, you're a very pretty girl, so I don't think

Brian Atlas>> for all the women here at the panel, would you have an issue if a guy had a preference like he didn't want to date a girl with nose piercings? Do you think

Swaniethat that's immature? Do you think it's unreasonable, silly preference to have? Your thoughts? So, I could see why they

Swaniewouldn't want that because when I used to have way more piercings, my ex, his hair was really curly. And when we were like making out and stuff, my piercings

Swaniewould get caught on his hair and so we would have to we would literally have to cut his hair and he would get pissed. >> Oh, it would get caught. >> Yeah. It would get caught into his hair. >> Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, that's a Did it ever yank? >> Yes. So it hurt you.

Swanie>> Well, you get hurt. >> It hurt me and it hurt him more >> because of the hair. >> Yeah. >> Ah, okay. >> Yeah. So that's why I barely had piercings now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> that checks out.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. >> Okay. Anybody else, you know, >> Daniela, is it kind of immature for a guy, you know, to care about that or >> I don't really care. I mean, there's a

Daniela (DT260)lot of preferences, so it's I I'm not like too nitpicky about other people's. Okay. >> I think I think honestly like that makes

KiraI think that's fine. Sometimes when people have a lot of piercings, I think that can be like a bit of a turnoff for people. And I really don't think that's like immature. Just some people >> don't. Same with like tattoos. Some

Kirapeople really don't like when people have a lot of tattoos. That's just >> I think that's kind of an extreme to not date someone because of it. Like if you're really into them but they have a nose piercing. That's so bizarre to me.

KiraBut I wouldn't necessarily like be offended and be like, "Okay." >> Okay. Do you think as it relates to tattoos, >> do you guys What would you say about a

Swanieguy who didn't want to date a girl because of tattoos? >> Would you take an issue with it or no? >> I mean, if it's like tattoos >> because >> Sorry, hold on. There's a chat coming

SPEAKER_00through. I'll be right back. >> Donated $200. I understand what Chair One is saying about guns and having better control. Unfortunately, criminals have illegal underground weapon

Shona (DT260)manufacturing sites. So, criminals will always have access to them. >> Yeah. And I think the issue there is how many guns are in circulation. And I wish more could be done to stop underground

SPEAKER_12weapon manufacturing sites. >> That's why I don't think we should bang guns. >> Okay. Um, what years were World War I? Starting with you.

Shona (DT260)World War I. >> That was in the 19th century. >> Like um >> specifically what year? >> I don't remember the exact years of World War I. That was sophomore year history. Guess >> guess.

Shona (DT260)>> Is this a super chat? Is this like >> No, this is just me. >> Coming in hot. >> History. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That was after the guy in Austria

Shona (DT260)got killed and then it caught. Okay. Just guess.

SPEAKER_12>> 1900. >> So just 1900 to >> I don't have an exact estimate. I forget World War I history. >> Decades. >> I know a lot more about World War II history. >> No. So just 1900 like before the 1910s

SPEAKER_12is what you're saying. >> Yeah. Okay. What about you? >> If you know it and you know for sure, don't answer. Just tell me that you know it. >> Oh. So, do you know it for sure?

Daniela (DT260)>> No, but I think I know when it ends >> when Yeah. closer to the mic. >> Oh, which one ends? 1945. >> That's World War II, >> too. So, it has to be before.

Daniela (DT260)>> Yeah, I think you're pretty close then. So, like 1910. Okay. What about you? >> Um, sorry. I honestly they asked me this

Mariquestion last time I was here. >> You don't remember? I didn't know. Um 1920s. I don't know. History books lie. >> Okay. What about you?

SPEAKER_12>> 1915 to 1920. I don't know. >> I was going to say 1910s. >> Okay. >> Um don't hate me. Can we elaborate? >> World War I.

SPEAKER_12>> So the year that World War I started and the year that it ended. >> World War I.

Katie (Cashier)>> 1920s. Psyche. Okay, next. >> I have no idea. I saw one of the podcasts when you guys talked about this question. I don't remember the answer. >> Guess.

SPEAKER_12>> I don't know. 1910. I have no idea. >> Decade. Did you say 1910? >> Yes. >> Okay. Next. >> Like 1912. I don't know. I want to say 184.

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. Next. >> Yeah. I was going to say like 1913 or 1915. >> Some of you were close. It's 1914 to 1918. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Yeah. What about World War II? You know it. >> It's like 19 It's in the first half of

Daniela (DT260)the 1940s. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What about you? >> Same. I don't know. It's not too many years between 1940 and 1945. >> Okay.

Mari>> I remember that from the last episode. Yeah. 1940. Yeah. Around that area. >> 1940. >> Yeah. But like specific years, does anyone

SPEAKER_12know the exact answer? >> Is it 1939 or is it 19 or was it in the 40s? >> I always mix it up. I I think it is 1939. It >> started 39. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Name three countries.

Swanie>> Just three countries and you can't repeat answers, >> bro. >> Like three countries in general. >> Just Yes. Three countries. >> Brazil. >> No, no, no, no. Starting with her.

Daniela (DT260)>> Okay. Bulgaria, the Philippines, and Estonia. >> Okay. You >> uh Thailand,

Loveuh Korea, Japan, >> Colombia, United States, and Canada. >> Uh China, Australia, and um Africa.

Love>> Wait, what? Africa >> has a continent. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Um, Jordan, the country. Okay. Chile,

SwanieVietnam, Norway. Okay. >> Sichels, Italy, and Egypt. >> Wait, the the last one. Egypt.

SPEAKER_12>> Egypt. >> Okay. I thought you said something else. >> I was trying to pronounce Sichels. >> Okay. Next. Bolivia, Georgia, El

Bella (Econ)Salvador. Next. Indonesia, New Zealand, Hong Kong. Wait, no. Country. Oh my god,

Bella (Econ)I'm so stupid. I'm so sorry. Um, was Philippines said? >> Yeah, that was already said. >> Um, I don't know what was already said.

SPEAKER_12>> Australia. >> I think that was said, too. Um,

SPEAKER_12>> Shanghai. Wait, I don't know. Can you leave the mic where it was, please? >> Where it was? >> Yeah. Sorry. >> Oh, wait. Shanghai. >> I don't know. >> That's a city. It's a city. But I don't >> Can I pause your one?

SPEAKER_08>> No. >> Sorry. I'm really tired. I'm not stupid. I swear. >> I'm like I'm not stupid. I promise. >> Well, we're econ and accounting. That's like >> I just I'm good at math. >> Oh, yeah. You can use a bathroom. >> I already said Indonesia, so no one

SPEAKER_12really thinks about it. >> Okay, so what were your answers? >> New Zealand and Indonesia. I just don't know what was already said. >> One more. I mean, there's there's a lot of countries. >> There is a lot of countries. >> You got this. >> Oh my god. >> Think about the countries in the United States. Like what's around

Cody>> Wait, there's only >> Wait, what? >> I mean, not the countries in the United States. >> Sorry. >> Wait, >> like around the United States. Like, think of >> Guatemala. Mhm. >> Okay. Sorry. I'm really Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_12>> Next. So, um, Turkey, Kazakhstan, and Romania. >> Okay. Trying to think of more questions. Um, everyone names one continent. We might not get to everyone because

Marithere's a lot of people. >> Asia, >> North America, >> South America,

Love>> Europe. Yeah. Africa. >> Okay. Australia,

SPEAKER_12>> no. Antarctica. Good job. >> Um, I'm trying to think of more rapid fire questions. What are the other rapid fires? >> Make a make a machine income. >> Okay. Uh, what would you want the

Shona (DT260)minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? >> It would depend on how much I'm making, but I'll say off the bat, given that I assume that I'll be making above six figures, I would say also above six figures. >> So, what's that though?

Daniela (DT260)>> Yeah. >> Like 100,000,000. >> Sure. 100,000. >> Okay. What about you? >> Yeah, I'm on the same page. Hopefully, it'd be around how much I make and maybe

Maridown the line around 100,000. >> I'd probably say 50. Honestly, >> 50,000. >> Okay. >> 130,000.

SPEAKER_12Probably 100,000. >> I don't really have a number. I doesn't not something I really thought about. Not like um like a range like would you want him to make more than 50 grand a year?

Katie (Cashier)>> Sure. Yeah. I mean >> more than a hundred. >> It doesn't matter to me really honestly. >> Could he work at like McDonald's? >> Huh? >> Could he work at McDonald's? >> I mean my ex like we both just worked in like basically a fast food

Katie (Cashier)establishment. >> So you wouldn't mind if he worked at McDonald's? >> Probably not so much. I mean as long as we can survive cuz even I don't make that much to be honest. So, it's money's never been like a huge factor for me like

Bella (Econ)>> Okay. What about you? >> Um, enough to be comfortable. So, maybe like 150 to 250.

SPEAKER_12>> Okay. What about you? >> I would say 30,000 to 40,000 honestly. >> So, the highest number we got was 250. Where do you live to the person that said you said 150 to 250? Sorry, I don't

Bella (Econ)remember your name. >> I live here. >> Santa Barbara. >> Well, like I live here currently. Yes. But I'm like a student, so I'm not there yet. >> Do you plan on staying here? >> Um,

Bella (Econ)yes and no. I might might move to the Bay Area or maybe New York. I don't know. Whatever job opportunity.

SPEAKER_12Okay. Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?

Shona (DT260)Is it a black bear or a brown bear? >> It's totally random. >> Okay, that means it's most likely a black bear cuz they're more common and black bears are mostly benign. >> No, there's no like more likely to

SPEAKER_12>> There is more likely. Black bears are more common than brown bears. >> Random. Random. >> So then it's probably a black bear. >> It's probably >> It's random. >> I'll take the bear.

Daniela (DT260)>> Okay. What about you? >> Uh, I'd probably take the random guy. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'd take the random guy, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah, the random guy.

SPEAKER_12>> I'd take the random guy. >> Okay. You >> man. >> Yeah. >> The bear. >> 100%. The man. >> So, you and you click so hard.

Brian AtlasUh, anything high on the the income one? >> 250 for sorry for Bella. Okay. >> Uh, I don't know. Nothing really there for me. Uh, Bella, how much do you think you'll end up earning?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I have to get my degree first. >> Well, I mean, if you had to just I'm sure you maybe have done some research like, okay, this profession pays this much. >> Well, realistically, I want to be an

Bella (Econ)entrepreneur. So like I would want to have a stable job to fund that eventually, but it's not a need for 150 to 250. That's just so like >> sure >> at the end of the day.

Brian Atlas>> Anybody pick bear or was it >> who? And her >> uh Shona and Bella. All right, I'll bite. I'm not going to linger on the bear thing really quick, but I'll bite it really quick. Uh why bear? Why not men?

Shona (DT260)>> Well, okay. Let's say I'm like hiking in Alaska. I probably want to see like a bear from the distance. >> You have somebody from Alaska here. But have you hiked? No, I I just was in Alaska this summer. I saw so many bears when I was out and it was so nice. >> They're so nice to look at. >> Okay, so you were there in Alaska?

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah, it's crazy. >> You'd rather come across random. >> I wanted to come across the bears. Are you kidding? Because why do you think I'm going to Alaska? I want to see the wildlife. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Well, you're like stuck in the woods.

Shona (DT260)>> Well, if Okay, if you're asking me if I would rather come across from a close proximity a dangerous, aggressive brown bear or a safe normal man, then sure, I would choose the man. >> The question is, you don't know, right? So the the bear could be safe. The man

Brian Atlascould be j dangerous. The man could be safe. The bear could be dangerous. >> Let me bear. >> Totally random. >> I can Do I have bear spray on me? >> No. >> No. >> No. You have >> Do I have pepper spray on me?

Brian Atlas>> You have your fake nails on you? >> I don't have fake nails. >> In the hypothetical, you have fake nails >> and they're pink. >> Okay, I'll bite. Bear. Sure. >> Okay. Bear. All right. And Bella, why do you pick bear? Why not me?

Bella (Econ)>> Well, um I'm from Sacramento. I go to Tahoe a lot, so there's always bears and like they're always just roaming around. >> Aren't there also a bunch of men in Sacramento? >> No, I was saying Tahoe. >> Well, okay. But aren't there also a lot

Bella (Econ)of men? >> There's always men and women. Yeah, but like we have a cabin, so like there's not men I don't know there. There's bears. So, I'm like more I'm like okay with it. >> You'd rather fight off a bear than >> Well, I didn't know we were fighting.

CodyWell, they're not really aggressive. They just kind of stay there. They're hungry. >> And we didn't we also didn't specify the bear also. >> I mean, you're going to fight a,000 lb bear or a >> I didn't realize we were

Daniela (DT260)>> but it's like but it could come to that forest and you're like prepared for bears like men I get are like more unsuspecting. But if you're like my idea

Daniela (DT260)was if I was like going to go hiking and I would prepare for bears and the same preparation applies for whatever whatever else I see. I feel like so I don't know. I think I could just take on

Codya man better maybe. >> Well, yeah. Facts. It's I mean, it's pretty cut and dry. And when you come across a bear, they're probably going to I mean, if they're hungry enough, they're going to you're they're going to eat you, you know? They're going to attack you. Or if they're young is around or whatever, you know, like Yeah. I'd rather fight off a man than a bear

Kiraall day. >> You can also run away from a man much easier than a bear. >> Yeah. Fact. >> I feel like you're not going to win the answer. >> All right. Uh let's see if we have any

Brian Atlaschats here to get caught up on. Would you rather be trapped in a cage with a bear or a man? >> Bella, would you rather be trapped in a cage with a random bear or a random man

Bella (Econ)>> and you get out of the I don't know after 10 minutes. >> I feel like if the I want to be friends with a bear cuz I like animals. I'm not even trying to be funny, too. Like I would be more scared of a random man. Like that's scary. In a cage.

Bella (Econ)>> Yeah, trapped in a cage. >> But I feel like there's I've met really friendly bears throughout my life. I've been like camping all my life. >> Introduce themselves. Hey, I'm Y. >> Yeah, they do. >> Okay, >> I'm just kidding. But no, I get what you guys are saying about fighting off a

Brian Atlasman, it's a lot easier to run away, but I also like bears. >> Okay. Uh, let's see here. I'm not not much push back to give on the bear thing, I guess. Uh, if your man made just around 100,000, Felicity, why don't

Brian Atlasyou sit there for a moment while we uh wait for her? Uh, tears, sweat, blood, and worked hard every day to further his career and his life with you. Would you bow to him? Okay, they want to do the bow thing. I I'll wait till Sean is back

Brian Atlasfor that. Bring him a beer when you hear his truck. >> Absolutely. >> So, uh I'll pull it back up when she's here, but uh and then we'll wait for

Brian Atlaseverybody's response. But while she's gone, I have some pre-show notes that we're going to dive into. So, we have let's see her.

SPEAKER_00Oh, wait. Hold on. I'll let this come through. >> Adzil's donated $200. >> Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_00>> Third and final. Dono, love is always Brian. Question time. Brian, are you a fan of Michael Jackson? And what is your favorite song?

Brian Atlas>> I like his music. I I wouldn't say I'm a fan of Michael Jackson. He's got some some great hits.

Brian AtlasUh favorite Michael Jackson song him in the shower. >> Oh, these. >> Yeah, just put it on. Can you put it on

Brian Atlasthe pillar behind you or whatever? Like uh there's that works. Thank you. All right, let's

Brian Atlassee. Uh hold on. Uh Daniela, you're from Alaska. Yeah. >> Have you I mean you said you haven't

Brian Atlasreally dated at all. So, uh have you dated in Alaska? >> No. >> But you haven't dated is the thing. So, I know >> it's different in Alaska. >> Are the guys different? >> Oh, yeah. Totally. I like them better there.

Daniela (DT260)>> You like the Alaskan men better? Why is that? >> My friends make jokes about like, oh, lumberjacks like manly men. But it's I think it's true. Just the environment. I think

Daniela (DT260)>> they have more rougher qualities. Maybe like I guess it depends though, but like I think I just like that better. >> Yeah. What What's the If you could list maybe two or three differences like what do you see with Cuz you're in

Brian AtlasCalifornia, right? Have you been to California before, by the way? Wait, you're >> I mean, yeah, I visited, but I've been here since my first year. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're you're 20. So, you're in your third year, right? Okay. So, you've been out here for like going into your third year then? Yeah.

Daniela (DT260)>> Yes. differences between Alaskan men and California men. >> I feel like they're willing to do more like bigger on acts of service and

Daniela (DT260)>> they're >> like they'll do more favors. They'll make the initiative, you know. >> Okay. >> Um set the pace, I guess. But here it's like I think guys kind of to a degree

Daniela (DT260)expect you to or at least I know that guys like girls making the first move and everything. Mhm. >> I I get the appeal, but I think maybe just my preference is not that.

Daniela (DT260)>> Okay. And would you say are the men more masculine in Alaska? >> They can like be scrawnier, but it's just like the aura is definitely I don't know. I think it's they're more

Brian Atlasmasculine. >> Okay. The aura. The Alaskan aura. >> Yeah. >> Orura. Aura. Borealis. Um, what what how would you describe then if

Brian Atlasthe men in Alaska are more masculine, more initiative? How would you describe California men? Are there any negative things that you could say?

Daniela (DT260)Yeah, I think they don't care about like um doing and this is like not all of them of course, but I think a pattern that I've recognized is that a lot of

Daniela (DT260)them don't I think their main interest is their attraction is primarily based on um like physical appearances and then

Brian Atlasthe interest comes after that. But back home, I feel like it was the other way around. >> Sure. They were You're saying the men in Alaska were more interested in the other

Daniela (DT260)things that you could bring to the table? >> Yeah. Or at least personality. >> At least that came first priority. >> Okay. What are some of the things that they wanted women to bring in Alaska?

Daniela (DT260)>> Not even like to bring, but in terms of character, intelligence, like interests, stuff like that. >> All right. Cool. Um, we have a lot of people here who are single. So, to those of you who are

SPEAKER_00single, I wish to ask >> right after this message. >> Pasty George. >> Pasty George donated $200. City folk never realized the difference

SPEAKER_00between city bears and wild bears. >> I was attacked by a black bear one year when I was out trapping. Luckily, I had Bear Mace with me which saved me. Last

Brian Atlasyear there was a black bear that was kicking it on UCSB campus. >> He was out trapping. >> Oh, trapping. >> Uh, well, >> like last school year, I guess. I think

Brian Atlasit was in the I don't know, spring or something. But, um, yeah, man. Black bears killed. A woman was killed in California recent, like a year ago, by a black bear. Uh, question

Brian Atlasfor the single women here. What does it mean in 2025 to actually be single? Because people say, "I'm single." It's like, "Well, you start digging a little

Brian Atlasbit." Well, you know, I'm seeing this guy and I got a roster, blah, blah, blah. Um, showing that you say you're single. >> I just wanted to say men also kill women every year. Anyway, I am single. Yes.

Shona (DT260)>> Thank you for men. >> Okay, cool. >> More men kill more women. >> Sure. We'll grant it. We'll grant it. >> It's true. It's a fact. More men kill women. >> Okay. Well, more women kill men

Brian Atlas>> and more men kill women than >> By the way, that's not I'm not talking about abortion. I'm I'm talking about um >> infanticide. So, like already born children, women are more likely to kill children. >> What are you asking about how I'm single?

Shona (DT260)>> Thank you. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. She doesn't want to engage there. >> Well, look, you you tried to You said, "Oh, Sha, you're keeping the conversation on politics. I'm trying to shift it back to dating for everyone else's sake. I'm trying to be mindful >> by pointing out that men kill women.

Shona (DT260)Okay. So, >> well, >> the >> you're pointing out you're talking about the the man and the bear argument. You're saying bears you're saying bears kill women. I'm also saying men also kill women. >> Well, I was I was responding to the

Brian Atlassuper chat >> and we were talking about bears. My my position that a woman was killed recently by a bear wouldn't isn't contrary. Like, it doesn't suggest that men don't kill women.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Okay. So then me saying men kill women shouldn't be contrary to what you're saying. >> Okay. Should uh I don't know what else should we you want to talk about like >> talk ask me the question about >> we should talk about the brain eating amoeba >> that kills everybody >> in small right now. You're the brain

Brian Atlaseating. >> We're going to do a little switch actually. Wait just uh you're going to come sit here >> and then when she comes back she's going to take that seat I guess. Actually you know what here I musical chairs. >> Bella you're going to take that seat and

Brian Atlasthen you're going to take this seat and then she's going to be there. All I was saying was bears cause harm, men cause harm. >> Yeah. >> It's not that one's super super safe.

Brian Atlas>> Would you rather leave your child with >> a saber-tooth tiger or a woman? >> A woman. >> Okay. I would do the same.

Brian AtlasMy criticism of >> I was half joking with my whole bear argument earlier about >> Yeah. Just my criticism with the bear thing. It's like, yeah, there's absolutely men who are violent and do all kinds of crazy crimes and there's, you know, >> men who kill kill women. Um,

Brian Atlas>> and there's safe men and there's dangerous bears and then there's bears that mind their own business. So, >> but you're you're the whole bear argument boils down to, okay, well, men are disproportionately commit these crimes more so than women, right? Well,

Brian Atlasthen it would just be I could point out that uh women are more likely to kill infants. And then if I were to ask this question, well, would you rather leave your newborn child with a woman or

Brian Atlassaber-tooth tiger? It's like, despite women being more likely to kill children than saber-tooth tigers. Well, hold on. There's more women who kill children

Brian Atlasthan do saber-tooth tigers. I'd still leave my newborn child with a woman every single time. In fact, even if she like previously murdered, I might

Brian Atlaseven be more willing to leave >> a w my newborn child with a woman who's been convicted of murder than with a saber-tooth tiger. >> Okay. So, my whole take on the man and the bear thing is that the whole like

Shona (DT260)essence of the hypothetical is just to say that like, okay, like bears like they want to like protect their cubs or whatever, like they don't have the intention of causing like women harm. >> That was funny. Can we can you pull that

Shona (DT260)out? Sorry, we got to read this one. Normally it's below the threshold, but [ __ ] it. >> Oh god. >> What What's the essence of the bear thing, though? >> It's to say that like men who cause women harm and a bear who causes a woman harm, they're doing it for two

Shona (DT260)completely different reasons. If it is the case that a man causes harm to a woman and a bear causes harm to a woman. >> And it's to say that the way that men a man could cause a woman harm if she's if she's left alone in a forest could be a

Shona (DT260)lot more disgusting than a way of bear. But obviously your point here is like the average man is not going to like maul a woman whereas an aggressive bear could do that, right? And so obviously

Shona (DT260)if you look at it that way then sure like an like average safe normal man. >> She's back. >> I thought she was taking your seat. >> No, she's going to stay there.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Well, she's going to what? >> She's You're going to you're going to be there. Okay. And then when she's Bella's back, she's going to be there. I have a question for you. >> Would you rather cross paths with a

Shona (DT260)random MS-13 gang member or random ICE agent? That's just for you. >> A random ICE agent, which still doesn't mean I agree with everything ICE does. >> Okay. Thank you for your piano.

Shona (DT260)>> I believe MS-13 gang members should be convicted. >> The essence of the bear question. >> I lost my track because there's >> obviously I'm rational enough to say that the average man is not going to

Brian Atlaskill a woman, whereas bears are unpredictable and aggressive. Mhm. >> Yeah. Again, there >> my my position would simply be is yes, there are absolutely men who commit crimes uh >> who want to do really disgusting things.

Shona (DT260)>> Yeah, sure. And worse than that, they can worse than murder. Well, well, there's dispute that >> worse than murder. Yeah, there are men who do things that are worse than murder to women. >> Some women will make that assessment, >> but a bear wouldn't do anything worse than just murder to a woman, >> right? Sure. But >> and that's where the hypothetical comes

Brian Atlasin. But again, like obviously being rational, the average man is not going to kill a woman. I I would argue though that if women encountered just as many bears as they did men,

Brian Atlasthen like all women would just be dead. So like all you women here have encountered thousands of men throughout your life,

Shona (DT260)tens of thousands, maybe more. Walked past them. >> I would rather encounter a group of bears than a group of men who are like doing what men do to women in like

Shona (DT260)Congo, for example. Like there's like cases of like mass like rape and killing that like that women deal with in Congo, right? >> Yeah. And that's terrible, >> right? Like the the men I've encountered in my life, like I live in a privileged

Brian Atlasarea. Like I'm safe, but there's women who don't deal with safe groups of men. So >> Well, yeah, sure. I mean, this hypothetical typically relates more so to like there's obviously different geographical regions and different

Brian Atlasnations which have way higher crime statistics than the United States. >> Yeah. Uh, and in fact, there's other countries that have lower crime statistics than the United States, but ultimately I do I think it's Oh, the

Brian Atlasbow. We have to do them. >> Remember that you >> That's right. Thank you for pointing that out. Um, okay. Well, we'll uh Oh, wait. The single thing. >> Absil donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> Okay, we'll do the bow thing. >> Final dono. Love as always, Brian. Question time. >> Question time. >> Are you a fan of Michael Jackson? And what is your favorite? >> Oh my god, this is not the right one. >> Hold on. I'm actually

Brian Atlas>> I didn't really want you to answer that. >> It was uh Okay, I pulled the wrong one. I'm sorry. I'm going to have you read this next one

Shona (DT260)that comes up in just a moment here. And then Pasty has a message after that. So, we have pal. Then we have to go back to single. If your man made just around $100,000 a year, tears, sweat, blood,

Shona (DT260)and worked hard every day to further his career and life with you, would you bow to him? Bring him a beer when you hear his truck. >> So, we're going to ask that of the panel. Um, and then Pasty George coming

SPEAKER_00in. >> Pasty George donated $200. While it is true that a lot of women are killed by men every year, more male babies are killed by women via abortion every year. more so in countries

Shona (DT260)infected with feminism like America and Canada. >> Pacy George is Canadian, by the way. >> That's only the case. You can only consider that murder so long as you believe abortion is murder, which is a

Brian Atlascompletely different debate and topic. And I don't believe it's murder anyway. >> There is We're not We're not >> We don't have to get into You can ask me the question about >> Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to have an abortion We're not going to have an abortion debate on the show. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Um >> that's okay. unfortunately. >> But uh let's see here. You can have it with Andrew, though, when he comes in. Uh let's see. Oh, the bow thing. And then there was the single thing, too.

Brian Atlas>> Uh okay. So, keep in mind the question that came in. The guy makes $100,000 a year. Tears, sweat, blood, works, works hard every day to further his career and his

Brian Atlaslife with you. Would you do a bow for him? Now, we're going to show you. We're going to demonstrate. I um I took a video uh of my ex-girlfriend uh you know just >> Wait, this is your ex now?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you're single now? >> Yeah. Exactly. Um so, I I took a video like as an instruction manual for future girlfriends because like I feel, you know, there's like a training process

Brian Atlaswhen you get a new girl. Like you got to here's how you fold my laundry. Here's how you you know I hate that like you've got a bag to relearn everything. >> You've got a 25 lb bag of rice from

Brian AtlasCostco and she's going to like dip like the water soaked scooper into it. No. Then you're going to get like dye from the rice thing. Anyways, you got to look

Brian Atlasthere's there's a program you got to have. Anyways, play the video, Nick. >> Play the vow video. I took it just so I could show this to my future girlfriends. Oh god. >> Instruction manual. >> Boom.

Brian Atlas>> Boom. Huge bow. She has to bow as soon as I get home from work. This was after a long podcast episode. And um got to do the laundry. >> So would you make your ex bow for you?

Brian Atlas>> Well, she wants the They want to do it. Okay. >> But they wouldn't. >> They want to do it. >> But they wouldn't. >> Look, she's got my dinner ready. She cracks open a beer for me. >> And then um

Brian Atlas>> this is your dream life right here. I actually, you see those tomatoes there? >> Mhm. >> They were just raw tomatoes. I actually broke up with her because of that. Play the bow again really quick.

Brian Atlas>> Like boom. Huge bow. Do you see the depth, the submissive hand posture? Uh the bow at the at the at the beginning. Question question for you guys from the

Daniela (DT260)super chatter. >> Would you bow for a good guy, a good man who's your boyfriend, I guess? >> No. >> Nope. Okay. too. >> I don't think a good man would ask me to

Brian Atlasbow, so probably not. >> Good man wouldn't ask you to bow. Okay. What about you? >> I I wouldn't bow. >> Wouldn't bow. Okay. What about you? >> No. >> Wouldn't do it. Okay. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Wouldn't do it. >> You wait. It's It's audio people. Audio. Audio. >> Oh, >> there's people who are just listening. So, >> yeah, >> we need to verbalize it. >> Okay. What about you?

Cody>> No. >> Okay. What about you? >> Absolutely. I would I would >> You would You would hit the bow. >> I would absolutely I have a question. The right man. Hold on. >> Absolutely. I would >> You said more. You said you would do more. What's that? >> Yeah. I would like look up new ways to bow, like different ways of bowing from

Codydifferent countries. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Whatever he wanted. I'd have his dinner ready. I' Yeah. All that. That whole video you just showed. >> Absolutely for the right man. >> What about you? >> Yes. And it wouldn't be weird because my

Shona (DT260)husband's actually from Japan. >> There you go. There you go. All right. Uh what was your question? I was just going to ask you if a woman was working blood, sweat, and tears, making more money than you, like

Brian Atlas>> giving you peace, cooking all your meals, taking care of all of your needs and everything, would you bow for her? >> So, I think this is a gendered thing, right? There's different sort of expectations when it comes to dating.

Brian Atlas>> So, uh, >> like expecting women to bow apparently. >> Well, yeah, sure. So the scenario you presented, >> so I've said though on the show for the

Brian Atlasperfect woman or like an exceptional woman, but caked into that she's like obscenely rich or whatever. >> No, no, no. She's everything you've ever wanted and she's also like really rich or like even if you would bow for her. >> Sure. Yeah.

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. >> And that that's a bigger I don't know if indictment is the right word. >> Like submissive hand posture like all the way like nose touching your knees like full-on bow. Sure, why not? >> Okay,

Brian Atlas>> that's really nice. >> Well, my my calculus here is >> Can you do a demo? >> Hold on. My calculus on this, and you might say, Brian, that's ridiculous. >> Your calculus on this

Brian Atlas>> is mo almost nobody's going to get the perfect person. So, in my mind, in terms of what I think the perfect woman is, is so exceedingly rare that there are men

Brian Atlaswho would kill for that. Now, I'm not going to I wouldn't kill somebody for a woman. >> Standards must be crazy. >> But well, it's not standards, but I'm I'm saying that in life, we're not going to get everything that we want, right? >> I think people people find their person

Brian Atlasfor sure. >> You can find your person, but people have flaws. And this idea that whoever you end up with is going to be perfect in every single regard is a fantasy. >> But I think that's the concept of being

Brian Atlaslike imperfectly perfect. You know what I mean? Like loving someone. >> I don't know what that means. But my my my point is simply that yeah, sure there's I would do certain things

Brian Atlasthat maybe I wouldn't otherwise do for like this sort of unicorn fantasy land woman, right? Obviously that doesn't exist. So I mean the entailment here would be okay

Brian Atlas>> but a woman should do that for a man who might not be perfect but earns >> 100. But here's my framework for this. Okay, the perfect woman she's like exactly physically what I my what I'm looking for. she meets all my like

Brian Atlaspersonality and uh value characteristics and she's like a trillionaire. So like if the entailment is okay, I have to bow but then I never have to work a day in

Shona (DT260)my life and we have generational wealth. >> Yeah, I'll do a [ __ ] bow so I can like just surf all day and never have to work. Yeah, sure. I'll do it. >> But the man in this hypothetical isn't

Shona (DT260)like some perfect unrealistically ideal person. He's just a man who makes 100k a year. So that's not perfectly ideal either. So that's >> So why would a woman bow for him? They wouldn't. >> Well, that was his question. My second

Brian Atlasfollow-up question though would be for the perfect man, would you bow for him? >> If he was the again what she said, if he was the perfect man, he wouldn't ask something like that. >> Well, but so the entailment here is

Shona (DT260)every single other characteristic and trait that you would deem to be perfect, he possesses. >> Like ironically, unseriously, I would bow for him. Like we'd be laughing about it, but not seriously in like some kind of weird submissive

Daniela (DT260)way. >> Okay. So, I'm taking that as a no. You wouldn't laugh for the perfect man. What about you? Perfect man. >> Again, for me, like he would not ask me

Daniela (DT260)that. I just think it would create a weird dynamic. No, >> not one that I would want. >> Okay. Well, not even the perfect man. >> If he asked me seriously, then he's not

Brian Atlasthe perfect man. How about this? >> The It's not him that's asking you. It's a magic genie. But the magic genie has a condition. And the condition is I'll

Brian Atlasgive you your perfect man. And it's not something that is in his mind that he's desiring this, but it's something that as a condition of you accept uh receiving

Brian Atlasthe perfect man, you have to do this action. Would you do it? >> Yeah. Well, that's different. The whole >> So the issue is the issue is his desire for it is the issue. >> Yeah. Because

Daniela (DT260)>> if it was like again a joke, but it's the intention. I don't if his intention was like yours to make the other person submissive, then that's not >> what I'd want. >> I agree with that.

Mari>> Uh what about you? Would you bow for your perfect man? >> Um no, I would not bow. I think it's weird. No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. For the perfect. Perfect. Keep in mind, money, looks, shared, commonality, everything can be perfect. >> Absolutely not.

Kira>> Okay. What about you? >> Um, I think if he was my perfect man, then the only way he would ask me to do that is if he like does it for me too in which >> No, it's one directional. One directional.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think Yeah, my perfect man wouldn't feel that. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> Okay. So, for me, do me a favor. Just scoot into the table, please. Just so we're >> okay. Sorry. >> It's all right. Just scoot into the

Swanietable a little bit just so we can hear you. Audience can hear you. >> Okay. For >> perfect, man. Will you bow? >> My man, it honestly doesn't matter like

Swaniewhat he gives me as long as he's giving me the equal. You know, >> I know exactly what you're talking about. What about you? >> Yeah. Oh, can I We're just going to

Brian Atlasadjust your microphone a little bit. Uh, yours, Bella, can you scoot it this way a little bit and then tilt the microphone down just a tad. >> Thank you, Bella. Appreciate it. No, won't bow. Okay, fair. Fair. What about you? >> Absolutely.

Brian Atlas>> For the perfect eye. And then you said, well, you you guys already said yes. >> I'm going to respond. I'm going to give you guys a scathing rebuke. But first, there's a chat.

SPEAKER_00>> Pasty George donated $200. Most of the women on the panel saying no to bowing for their ideal man is why a lot of good western men are going overseas to get women who are traditional and who bow for their men out of respect.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you. >> The passport bros are not good western men. >> You had some thoughts on this the traditional gender roles thing. We're going to have the whole panel weigh in. Uh we have one for you to read that's

Shona (DT260)coming up in just a sec. Pasty George DM me on Discord. I'm going to get you a a TTS hookup. I ask this to hear your input. She works hard as well. She does my laundry, makes

Shona (DT260)my dinner, but I take care of the house. I make this house a home. Every luxury she has comes from my hands. >> What's the question there? >> Oh, I I think he's just that's a statement there.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, >> so back to this. Um, it's interesting. Uh, I Well, I guess before I give my full take, just a couple questions for you guys. Um, normally we have a questionnaire, but we didn't do it

Brian Atlastoday. just or really quick answers as we go around the table. Should men pay for first dates >> in college? >> Uh,

Brian Atlas>> like at the age I'm at cuz like I don't expect a college guy. >> What if he asks you out on the date? >> I think it's the masculine thing to do. So, I would prefer it. But I don't >> The masculine thing to do.

Shona (DT260)>> I thought you reject traditional gender roles. I I think there's like masculine and feminine things, but I don't think like depending on your preference, everyone

Brian Atlashas to subscribe to like every >> So, you think if a woman went 50/50 or paid for the date that would be masculine? >> No. Again, like I think like especially in the situation I'm at, like I I would

Shona (DT260)you know, I'll I'll backtrack. I think I think it's acceptable to go 50/50 on the first date. >> Okay. But should men pay for first dates? >> It is masculine. So if a man wants to do that, >> you would

Brian Atlas>> I would prefer it. I would prefer it. >> You would be more impressed or it would be brownie points. >> Yeah. >> Brownie points. Okay. And then you said like I understand the college point you were making. It's like well we're both broke. We're both in college, you know.

Brian Atlas>> So in that case, I would be fine with going. >> But I suspect the entailment there is well once we're both professionals then the man should definitely pay. When we're both making money, the man should >> like on a date.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Sure. Yeah. >> So, to be clear, there'd be a greater expectation once you're both working now, it's like, well, he actually has resources. He has money.

Shona (DT260)>> And once I advance my relationship with this person in the future and like I'd guess be the one having kids and like playing a role there, like I would also have greater expectations in doing what's considered feminine, right?

Daniela (DT260)>> Sure. Should the man pay for the first date? >> Well, I think it'd be nice depending on their financial situation. Sure. Okay.

MariShould the man pay for the first date? >> I think as I'd go as low as 5050. I agree with 5050 >> at least. >> What? >> A small percentage of dudes pay on the

Marifirst date. >> I say at least 50/50. >> Okay. >> Oh, the way why I talk like that all the time. >> You totally do.

Love[Laughter] Okay. Um, should a man pay for the first date? >> If he's asking me out on the date, I feel like that's implied. If I were to ask a man out, >> do you ask men out? >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Kira>> I'm not >> Who should pay on the first date? >> I was actually going to have the same response. If the person who initiates the date should pay for the date, >> but in your own experience, is it typically the man who asks?

Swanie>> Yes. >> Okay. uh who should pay or should sorry should men pay on first a dates? I feel like that would be the best way for them

Swanieto do that because honestly it's like yeah you're showing oh you're a gentleman you're paying on the first date >> but it's gentlemanly.

Swanie>> Yeah. But if he's like going through some financial [ __ ] and he's like honestly I need you to split this bill with me you know type [ __ ] then >> type [ __ ] >> Type [ __ ]

Swanie>> Yeah then I totally understand. But that's my opinion. They should always pay on the first date if they're trying to impress that girl. >> What is, by the way, I'm What is type

Brian Atlas[ __ ] [ __ ] Is that like >> Yes. Is it like is it affirm affirmative or >> It's another way of me saying you feel me, right? >> You Okay. Okay. >> You feel me? >> Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Um Okay. Uh Bella, should should men pay on first dates? >> If he asks, yes, >> if he asks. Okay. >> Yeah. >> If he asks, >> absolutely. What what do you think? >> I think so. It would be nice.

Brian Atlas>> Nice. Okay. All right. >> Um Okay. Not quite yet at my point, but uh should men be protectors? And let's just do yes or

Brian Atlasno on this. Should men be protectors? >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. >> Just

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Can I just say Can I just say yes and no >> because I can't >> I'll accept it. I I accept it. Hello. >> Yes. >> Wait. Sorry. One more time. Bella. >> Yes.

Shona (DT260)>> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Should men be providers? Yes or no? [Music] >> I mean that's kind of more complicated cuz like personally I would want to also provide for myself financially. But I

Shona (DT260)would assume both people are bringing money and like bringing in wealth also for your children's future one day. >> Okay. But I mean will there be do you want kids one day? >> Yeah. >> Do you know how many?

Shona (DT260)>> Ideally maybe two. >> Okay. Uh do you want to take any time off from work >> like a couple years maybe? Or >> I mean I don't know about years but I would I would take some time off when it's necessary to be more present in the

Brian Atlashousehold. >> Okay. Uh, Mary, can you uh do upstairs? >> You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Uh, okay. And uh,

Daniela (DT260)should men be providers? >> Um, should they? I don't know, but it'd be nice for me. >> Would be nice for sure. Okay. >> Yes or no? Should men be providers? No.

Swanie>> Yes. >> Yes. >> No. >> No. >> I personally think Okay. I'm sorry. I personally >> just Yes or no?

Swanie>> I personally think if you're providing me with a child, then you should man up and actually be providing for me. >> Got man up. >> Yeah. >> Got provide. Okay, that's a yes. All right, Bella. What about

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Should men be chivalous? This kind of relates to these other points, but should men be chivalous? Quick, yes or no? >> What's your definition of chivalry? Yeah, for real.

Brian Atlas>> I'm just curious. >> It would it would be like great like no opening the door >> like gentlemanly treatment. So I mean it would encompass like provide, protect, paying for first aids, but it could also

Brian Atlasbe certain actions like opening the car door for you, opening the car door, um, walk observing the sidewalk rule where the man walks closer to where the on the

Shona (DT260)on the sidewalk closer to the car. Mhm. >> these sorts of kind of uh >> Are you Are you asking me if I expect that all men should do that or if the men that I would choose to date should do that? >> Both. Well, I guess you could break it

Shona (DT260)down like what you want and then what you think prescriptively all men should do. >> If you want to be nonchalant and not really chivalous and not doing those things, then you have the right to do that and a woman who isn't really doesn't really care about chivalry can

Brian Atlasfind you. But personally, for my dating life, I would prefer a man to do those things or just be thought. >> You should sit straight. I feel like you're just cutting off Daniela over there. >> Sorry about that. Um, >> just boxing her out. Like >> to me, like the word you're like

Brian Atlaschivalry or what you're saying, the examples you're giving just point to being thoughtful. And I think men should be thoughtful the way I would also want to be thoughtful. >> But the the thing is though is that these specific actions as it relates to chivalry are typically onedirectional.

Brian AtlasSo it's not like like both men and women can be thoughtful. But but with those specific acts, the the expectation is not for the woman to open the car door for the man, not for the woman to walk

Brian Atlascloser to where the cars are. Um not for the woman to >> I don't know if people do like the restaurant pull out seat thing. That's kind of like whatever. >> And I think like women do thoughtful things in like a different way too, right?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Sure. >> So actually which way? >> Just no. just curious hitting about >> like what what are the ways like what are the thoughtful things that women

Shona (DT260)uniquely do >> like taking care of the home, raising children, cooking meals? >> Well, but now we're talking about

Brian Atlasway down the line. I guess I'm more so looking like if I'm if you're not living with the guy, are you doing some of these things? You >> I mean, if you're dating a guy, you can certainly be thoughtful. you can show up for him and like care for him, he would

Brian Atlasshow up for you, too. >> Which is why it's a mutual thing to be thoughtful and caring. >> But there there are society there are specific things that seem to be like specific acts that really seem to only

Shona (DT260)be placed on men. >> Well, I I as men have certain expectations for women when it comes to dating, too? >> Like what? >> You tell me. Do you have expect like certain expectations? >> You tell me. >> I'm asking you the question.

Shona (DT260)>> It's your claim. I mean, I think men expect women to look a certain way, to present themselves a certain way, to carry themselves a certain way. >> Yeah. But this would go both ways. I I

Brian Atlasmean, perhaps women uh to be charitable, I think women are a bit more forgiving in some ways on the physical front. >> But this idea that women hold Hold on. But this idea that women are like

Brian Atlaswholesale just tolerate complete slobbery from men is ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. Both genders want good hygiene. both genders want people

Brian Atlasto be presentable. Um, so I mean also some of the some of the things that women do to be presentable, that's for the female gays. Like this excessive

Brian Atlasmakeup, plastic surgery, fake lips, that's female gay [ __ ] Men don't like the men don't like the fake lip [ __ ] Men don't like that. So there, >> but a lot of women do that because maybe

Brian Atlasthey think men do. Well, I think women like So big lips are typically deemed attractive, >> right? >> Um, but men, from what I've heard from a

Brian Atlasbunch of men, and my own personal preference is I think the fake lip thing looks really weird. >> I think Kylie Jenner became a lot more conventionally attractive to men after she got lip filler. >> I think it makes a lot of people look

Brian Atlasolder. >> I mean, there's like bad lip jobs and good lip jobs. >> I mean, they're mostly bad, but >> Okay. Does somebody anybody Sorry. Am I like talking [ __ ] about somebody here? Is anybody Anybody here have lip filler?

Mari>> Yes. Try to see. >> Yes. >> Daniela, do you have lip filler? >> Sorry. Guess. Yeah. Try to see. >> Oh, not at all. >> You have lip filler? >> No. >> What? Sorry, Bella. You wanted to come in on something or >> No, I don't have lip filler.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, I thought you wanted to add. Okay. Um Oh, wait. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00>> 24. Blaze donated $999. Men are expected to die to protect their wife. If you can't do a simple bow or make him a sandwich for that, then you

Brian Atlasare a future cat lady. >> That's lit. >> I'd make my man a sandwich if you wanted. >> Thank you, man. >> Here's what I'm going to do, though, just because I I want to finish off this

Brian Atlassegment. Are you cool? Are you cool if we delay it like the champagne pop? 5 to 10 minutes. Nick, can you just give me a reminder to do the champagne pop? I just really want to get through this without

Brian Atlasan interruption. Um, okay. Where were we? We were talking about >> chivalry. >> We can try to speedrun it if you want. >> I love it. Chivalry. The question was, should men be chivalous?

Shona (DT260)>> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. I guess. >> Okay. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> I'll say every woman would prefer it. >> Okay. Uh and then let's see here. Uh who here wants to get married? Just show of hands wants wants to get married. Boom. Boom. Boom. Everybody except

Brian AtlasBella. >> No, I do. Sorry. >> Oh, okay. You do. And then just you you don't want to get married. Okay. When you do get married, will you take your husband's last name? >> Yeah. Or I would be interested in doing

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