DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

Date: 2025-10-06

Duration: 7h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDaniela (DT260)>

KKatie (Cashier)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Katie (Cashier)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kira(guest)

SPEAKER_04Love(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cody(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shona (DT260)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Bella (Econ)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Mari(guest)

SPEAKER_10Swanie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daniela (DT260)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentShona requests Charlie Kirk discussion; debates his rhetoric with Brian

ControversyBrian confronts Swanie/Mari about intoxication; Mari admits weed; red card issued

QuoteSwanie discloses body count ~400

Key MomentShona declines billionaire trade-off: wants to earn own career as psychiatrist

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including 4 UCSB students.

Charlie Kirk Discussion

Shona requested topic. Debate on his rhetoric, Islamophobia, gun control.

Immigration Debate

Wide-ranging: ICE, family separation, Mexican constitutional law.

Traditional Gender Roles/Bowing

Brian shows bow video. Most refuse. Extended chivalry debate.

Trump SA Allegations

Swanie mentions Trump's record. Extended debate on presumption of innocence.

Weed Incident

Brian confronts Swanie and Mari about intoxication. Mari admits smoking weed. Red card.

Body Count Round

Shona 0, Daniela 0, Swanie ~400, Katie 3, Bella 1.

Billionaire Trade-Off

Would you accept billionaire husband if condition is never working?

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswe're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from in education. Go ahead.

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. Hi, my name is Shona. I'm from the Bay Area. I'm a freshman at UCSB and I'm majoring in psych. >> Okay. Uh age? >> I'm 18.

Brian Atlas>> Gotcha. Okay. And uh what do you want to do after you graduate? interested in healthcare. So, like specifically psychiatry, mental health care in general. >> Okay. And

Shona (DT260)let's see, psychology. Are you just getting your general classes out of the way now? Is that how it works at UCSB or? >> Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of them already because of high school. Like I took advanced classes, but I'm I'm

Daniela (DT260)taking like science classes for like premed and things like that. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> Uh, my name is Daniela. I'm from Alaska. I'm 20 years old and I major in econ and accounting

Daniela (DT260)>> at UCSB. >> Yes. >> Okay. And any uh do you do work or anything like that? >> Yeah, I work at my apartment closer. >> Sorry. I work at my apartment's leasing office.

Brian Atlas>> Gotcha. And you're from Alaska. Can you say which part of Alaska? Fairbanks. >> Anchorage. >> Anchorage. Okay. That's the capital, right? Wait, what's the capital?

Brian AtlasYes, >> those are the only two. Wait, hold on. There's Anchorage, Fairbanks. How do I know Fairbanks but not the capital? >> Juno. >> Juno is the capital. >> Yeah. >> Wait, really?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Cool. Um, and then once you're done with Are you Wait, are you a junior? >> I'm a third year. >> Third year. Okay. You have a sense of what you want to do after graduation? >> Not really, but probably audit. I don't

Brian Atlasknow. >> Audit. >> Audit. like taxes stuff like >> Okay. Like a maybe a CPA, accounting. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh and I detect a bit of an accent. >> No,

Daniela (DT260)>> you're just from Alaska. >> Yeah. Some people tell me that, but I don't know where it comes from. >> Okay. All right. You speak any other languages? >> I speak a little bit of Portuguese. >> Portuguese? >> I took Spanish, but I don't know it that

Mariwell. >> Was Portuguese your first language or >> No, but my mom's from Brazil, so she taught me a little. There you go. Okay. All right. What about you?

Mari>> Um, my name is Mari. I'm 24. Um, I do content creation. I do OAF, but

Mariit's also my f my last year in um my university. So, I'm going to get my

Maribachelor soon. It's coming up. I feel like it's taking forever, literally. Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Leave me alone. >> Sorry. Wait. So, um, where are you from? >> Orlando. >> So, if you can Orlando to speak. >> Yeah, I got you. Orlando. >> And you grew up in Florida? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Are you Are you Florida woman? >> Uh-huh. >> You know how there's Florida man? Are you Florida woman? >> What's the definition of a Florida woman, though? >> There's just something people from

Brian AtlasFlorida, you know, some of them, not all of them. We shouldn't be racist towards Fidians. They're a race of their own. Um, no, we shouldn't be bigoted to the Fidians, but uh,

Brian Atlas>> they're built different. >> Well, I was born in New Jersey, so does that help? >> Not whatsoever. But, um, >> what? Sorry. What were you studying at a university? >> Um, I feel like I shouldn't really say. And uh,

Mari>> what? >> I don't know. Just making it public like that. I feel like I keep that a secret. >> I think it'd be like >> Okay, that's fine. >> It's easy to find if you really want. >> And so when you say you're a content creator, you said you do Only Fans.

MariYeah, >> but it's your last year. >> Yeah. >> Didn't Didn't you say that a year ago? >> No. What the What? I had >> Try to try to just >> I had just gotten my associates um when

MariI was here. So, I had just moved into a university when like I went from community college to university. I've just been moving a little slow.

Love>> All right. Okay. What about you? >> Hi, my name's Love. I'm 21. I'm from SoCal and I'm in my fourth year at UCSB. >> All right. And uh what do you study at UCSB?

Brian Atlas>> Sociology. >> Sociology. Okay. And uh do you have a job or anything like that? Yeah, I'm a hair stylist and I work at a hotel. >> Hair stylist. Okay. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Any girls here need She's the hookup. She'll She'll Can you give them a discount? Like a 10% discount? All right. >> We can talk. >> Yo, we got a discount for the whatever

Brian Atlaspodcast uh code whatever for um do you use uh what's it called? Squarespace or Spotify? Spotify with the Squarespace. Square for your for your >> I just ask everyone to just DM me.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. On Insta. >> Do you have like You don't have like a booking website or whatever? >> Not yet. No. >> Okay. Damn. Discount code won't work. Okay. >> Uh and uh you study sociology. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> All right. And um >> can you tell me I mean you're you're a fourth year. I imagine you're you've taken some sociology classes. >> Yeah. Yeah.

Love>> Uh tell me like just one thing that you've learned in sociology that you can relay to us. >> Um well right now in one of my classes we're talking about identity. So that's

Lovea big topic about how like media for instance right now >> um like influences your identity >> and stuff like that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So how how would media influence I don't disagree but how does it influence identity >> what you watch? So like if you watch a lot of like I don't know like

LoveI don't know if you're like into hiphop and stuff I feel like your identity you embrace that part of your identity if that's what you're into. Okay, makes

Kirasense. Makes sense. What about you? >> My name is Kira. I'm 20. I'm from SoCal. I'm a third year in college right now and I'm a barista. >> All right. And uh what are you studying?

Kira>> I'm studying film and media. >> Film and media. Okay. What do you want to uh do after? >> I want to edit. Not specifically in film necessarily. That although that would be

Brian Atlascool, but yeah, marketing, anything really. Yeah. >> Okay. Any in front of camera stuff or just behind the scenes? >> I Yeah, I'm not usually in front of the camera, so this is new.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I'm usually behind it. >> All right, Nick, you can hide that one. It's Argentinian. Uh uh not not because it's just that's like three bucks. It's $3 the Argentinian

Brian Atlascurrency. You got to super chat in in USD. Um and both of you said SoCal. You guys find sharing your city or like where you're from or >> Yeah, I'm from San Diego. >> San Diego. What about you? >> Like Riverside.

Swanie>> Riverside. Okay. What about you? >> Oh, me. Okay. So, I'm Swani. I'm 23. I'm from Tallahassee, Florida. Home of Florida State. >> You're looking straight at me. How do

Brian Atlasyou not notice? >> Well, I was talking to you. >> No, but I'm When I do this, it just means speak into the microphone. Like, get closer. >> I wish he told me that, but okay. Um, I'm Swani

Brian Atlas>> and she Wait, sorry. Repeat that. You wish I told you that? >> Yeah. >> But hold on. We told everybody multiple times before the show to speak into the microphone. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> You want me Wait, wait. You wish I told you that when I do this, that means I was just trying to tell you personal. >> Nick, add that to the pre-show. >> If like, we need to be really clear. If

Brian AtlasI do that, it's too vague. I got it. >> We need to explain to people >> that that's just What does that mean? >> What? >> How could you ever expect that, right?

Swanie>> Add it to the pre-show, Nick. All right. Um, >> understood, but okay. I guess I'll speak directly into the mic. >> All right. I'm Swanie. I'm 23.

SwanieI'm from Tallahassee, Florida. I used to go to FSU for marketing, but that [ __ ] honestly made me want to die.

SwanieSo, I am now going to online school through my other job. >> You don't look too impressed, Brian.

Swanie>> Don't worry about me. I'm >> I'm just, >> you know, the whole wanting to die in your chop. Okay. >> The whole wanting to die thing kind of threw me off a little bit, but okay. Um, >> no, you're good. I I feel great. That's

Swaniewhy I'm here. That's why I'm here, Brian. But yeah. >> Um I hopefully want to become a PR manager in the future. >> Okay, cool.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Dope. Um and uh so you're from Florida? >> Yes. >> Are you are you a Florida woman? >> Yes, I am. >> Perfect. >> Born and raised.

Brian Atlas>> All right, cool. And then are you also a content creator? >> Of course I am. You do do you also do of >> I mean I do but I also don't really get

Brian Atlasthat out you know like I don't really go publicly about that you know. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um >> any any other kind of sex work stripping

Swanieanything like that? >> I mean if you technically want to go there I'm an English teacher on Telegram. So >> you what you >> Yeah, I teach English on Telegram >> in the nude. >> No,

Swanie>> I >> I I'm talking in code. >> Oh, is that like code for >> I mean, what do you think? >> You teach English on Telegram.

Brian Atlas>> What do you think? >> Maybe I'm just so innocent and naive. I'm just like, she [ __ ] teaches English classes. You teach underprivileged Fidians how to speak English. >> Not Fidians, Ukrainians. Belusians.

Swanie>> Excuse me. I got that wrong. >> You're all good, Brian. I appreciate it. >> I forgive you. >> Um, okay, that's cool. Um, and uh, by the way, I want to pay you a compliment.

Brian Atlas>> A, thank you. >> Your your lashes are the the longest I've ever seen. like they're going to fly off of my face

Brian Atlasor something. >> No, I feel like to like you need to have really strong eyelids to keep up the big lashes, you know, because like I've seen fake l like

Mariare you wearing fakes? >> They're like extensions >> or I don't know what the >> what's the difference between >> Sorry. Sorry. They're like they like you put them under it's like individuals. >> Oh, versus like the would be like a whole strip. I see.

Swanie>> Yeah. Um, yeah. No, they're like really big. The lashes. >> Yeah, >> like I'm impressed.

Katie (Cashier)>> Yeah, thank you. They're my Wayne since I don't have any. >> Nice. Okay, good talk. Uh, >> uh, what about you? >> Hi, I'm Katie. I am 36. I'm originally

Katie (Cashier)from >> You're 36? Yes. >> What the [ __ ] >> Wait, what? I thought she was one of the co the college girls. What the hell? >> No. >> Holy [ __ ] >> 36? >> Yes. >> Damn. I know. >> [ __ ] study this girl over here. She >> 36. Okay.

Katie (Cashier)>> Yes. Um I'm originally from Northern California. Just moved to LA in February and um I'm a cashier. >> Bro, you got to some one of these scientists got to

Brian Atlas>> figure out what's going on. Um wait. So, okay. 36. Sorry, I was so distracted. Um occupation. Sorry. >> Cashier. >> Cashier. All right. And you said you're from where? Sorry. >> Uh, Northern California.

Bella (Econ)>> And then education. Did you say that? >> I'm just high school. Like tiny bit of college. Decided it wasn't for me. >> Dropped out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. What about you? >> Hi, my name is Bella. I'm 20. I'm from

Bella (Econ)Sacramento, California. And I'm a third year at UCSB for econ and accounting. >> All right. Yeah. >> And then I any work or anything like that? >> I work remotely right now like as a hiring manager and HR stuff. So, backend

Brian Atlaswork. >> All right. And uh Bella, after university, do you uh have a sense of what you want to do? >> Um yeah, I want to get an internship this um summer and then >> like a big what what do they call it?

Bella (Econ)Like the big five law firm big four law firm. >> So like the firms accounting firms. Yeah. >> Uh investment banking is really hard, but if you do it for like two or three years, I'm pretty sure it opens a lot of doors for other things. >> Okay. All right.

Cody>> Yeah. >> Cool. And uh what about you? Uh, hi. My name is Cody. I am from Fresno and I am

Cody42. Um, I am a bartender and I am starting a school back in the spring for um, drug and alcohol counseling.

Brian Atlas>> All right, rock and roll. Rock and roll. Welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once more. What is your current relationship status? If you're single, how long have

Brian Atlasyou been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Really quick though, we have a chat coming through that we're gonna read. I'm gonna let that come through. Thank you, Adzills. >> Adzills donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> Yo, thank you, man. >> Sup, Brian? Your favorite Brit is back. Love from the UK as always. Quick question. When are we getting Q back on this show? The Q pill has been missing,

Brian Atlasespecially within the last panel. >> Uh, yeah. Uh we're going to try to get him back on soon. Uh yeah, but I've been kind of just soloing, you know. It's

Brian Atlasbeen a like solo. I'm skipping the like the dungeons and stuff. Just solo like doing solo questing. Anyways, um yeah. Anyways, uh so okay, relationship

Shona (DT260)status. If you're single, how long have you been single? And longest relationship starting with you. >> Okay, so right now I'm single. I've been single my whole life and coming to college, I'm prioritizing my education

Shona (DT260)because that's what I'm here for. It's obviously fun to have fun and this is a fun area, but I'm I want to stay focused for sure. And also like a lot of the guys here, they don't seem very interested in long-term relationships

Brian Atlasanyway. >> And school just for those of you guys who go to UCSB, it just started, right? Like last week. >> Yeah. Two weeks ago. >> So, okay, gotcha. Uh, so you've been single your whole life. But I mean, have

Shona (DT260)you done any dating? >> I've liked guys, but it's I've never like had like a mutual like pursuual or like anything going on with a guy. >> So there's guys you liked, but >> but then maybe I like guys who don't

Brian Atlaslike me back. >> And then the guys who like you, >> I don't like them. You don't like them. >> Like I like the chase. Tail is old as >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Okay. You like the chase. What would happen if you actually got one of these guys though? Would you just lose? I'd probably like freak out too much. You'd freak out

Shona (DT260)>> and like run away. >> You'd be like, "Why would you freak out?" >> Because it's like kind of scary. Like that's just too like that's just too much to think about. So, I think I'll focus on long-term dating either like towards the end of college or like in

Shona (DT260)grad school like when I'm older and I feel like I have my own stability a little bit. Okay. So, I'm in a position to like make the best decisions I can. >> But, have you have you ever been on like a date? >> A date? Sure. >> A date? like you went to >> like hung out with a guy

Shona (DT260)>> where there was mutual interest, I guess. >> Honestly, I just kind of went because why not? >> So, you weren't really You weren't interested. >> I wasn't really interested. No. >> What did you You guys got dinner or >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And but you weren't feel You weren't.

Brian Atlas>> Well, they're all nice. I just I don't want to lead people on, you know. >> Don't want to lead them on. Okay. >> Um, so >> nothing then with with a guy. Like, have you held hands with a guy? >> Well, yeah, I guess so. Like have you

Brian Atlashad like more casual stuff like any casual hookups or anything like that or >> like a little bit but like not like like no like body count anything like

Shona (DT260)that. Like I would never like I would never go anywhere I would regret with a guy I'm not dating. So that's always been true. >> Okay. So you're a virgin, >> right? I just it's kind of weird to just like say that, right?

Brian Atlas>> Well, I not think it's weird, but um No. So no situationships, anything like that? No. Okay. That's a strong term, I think. >> All right. If an amazing guy though came around, I know you said you're primarily

Shona (DT260)focusing on school. If a really fantastic guy came around, >> would you maybe >> Sure. >> I would really have to see it through. Like for me, like I don't really like the whole dating culture of like, >> you know, men shoot like a million shots

Shona (DT260)on Instagram and then you see what lands and then it's it's just very like superficial. I like something more organic where you kind of get to know the person first, like your characters, you become friends and then see where things go from there. like it's less

Shona (DT260)fake to me. >> Okay. I notice you're wearing a cross. Are you Christian? >> Well, no, but I went I mean I've grown up in like like a multicultural family. Like I've been surrounded by

Shona (DT260)Christianity my whole life. >> I went to Catholic school. I respect Christianity a lot, but this is a stylistic choice. I see. >> Does that offend you? >> No. Um >> Okay. >> So, are you atheist, agnostic?

Brian Atlas>> Um I'm Hindu. >> Oh, Hindu. Okay. Um, and when you say you grew up multiculturally, like your was it your mom who was one culture, your dad another? >> Both are different cultures. So my mom's

Shona (DT260)she's from India. My dad's British. I grew up in South Africa and then I moved here in 2014. >> You grew up in South Africa. >> Yeah. To >> from from like born there >> 0 to 7. Yeah, I was born there. >> Oh, okay. Sorry.

Shona (DT260)>> I have a global perspective. >> If you stayed there longer, you would have kept the accent. >> I used to have a South African accent. It sounded really funny. >> It's a cool accent. >> It's so funny. But I got clowned when I came here. >> So you Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So now I sound American. Yeah. >> Okay, cool. All right. What about you? >> Uh same here. I've never dated. >> Never dated. Okay. Uh so you're single. >> Mhm.

Daniela (DT260)>> All right. Uh any I guess what's the extent of Have you hung out with a guy? What? >> Yeah, I'm kind of on the >> She's good. She's good. >> I'm kind of on the same page. like

Daniela (DT260)certain things I'd only do with someone I'm dating, but Okay. Yeah. >> Um, so have you been on like a date or >> Yeah. And I've had dating apps and everything like

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> But it's never like been serious. >> Okay. And uh I think Hold on. I think you wrote something specifically in your

Brian Atlasnotes. Let me just pull that up. You had written wrote in written wrote oh damn how long how many notes do we have you wrote

Daniela (DT260)never dated okay um >> yeah I didn't write >> can you tell us the experience like to the point that you have had then >> I've held hands I've kissed hugged like that kind of

Daniela (DT260)stuff >> but yeah nothing more >> okay so you are you you're also a virgin >> Yep. Okay. And have you had a first kiss? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's unfortunate story.

Brian Atlas>> Unfortunate story. Good times. >> Not good times. >> Good times. Uh uh. Well, the first kiss can always sometimes be a little awkward. All right. What about you?

Mari>> Oh, sorry. Okay. So, my longest relationship was three and a half years. >> Okay. >> Um he passed away.

Mari>> All right. And I've been single for about almost 2 years. >> 2 years. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Single for 2 years. And I'm assuming the 3 and 1/2 year relationship is the one that ended 2 years ago or was that a

Maridifferent >> Oh, no. No. I had already um broken up with him and then I got with someone else for like a year. So, it happened like a year or two after our breakup. >> I see. Uh can you tell us what happened

Marithere? >> Yeah. He owed you >> on what? >> On You really want to know? >> Nah, we don't need >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Fent. Fent. >> No. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry about that.

Mari>> Oh, thank you. >> But yeah. >> Okay. Well, sorry to hear about that. Uh, were you >> No, I was not there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was not in his life during

Marithat time period. >> Uh, you've been single for two years, though. >> Yeah. properly like properly single or you >> Yeah, properly single because like I was literally ever since I was I've been dating since I was 15. I would like jump

Mariand jump and jump like three different relationships 15 to like 22 or some something like that. I don't know. >> Sure. >> So, >> okay. >> Yeah. Sure. Why Why are you saying sure?

Brian AtlasI don't like sure. >> No, it wasn't a like a I doubt you sure. It was a I acknowledge what you're saying. Sure. >> Just making sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. show. >> So,

Love>> for sure. Okay. What about you? >> Um, I've been in relationships before, situationships. Um, I'm currently single right now, though. >> Currently single. Longest relationship? >> Like 10 months. >> 10 months. And would you call it a

Brian Atlasrelationship or was it more of a situationship? >> It was my first relationship. Okay. >> So, it was a relationship, but Yeah. >> Gotcha. And uh, was it monogous? >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. And you said you Sorry,

Kirayou've been single for how long? Um, like technically three years. >> Technically three years. Okay, got it. >> All right. What about you? >> Um, I'm in a relationship right now. We've been together for about a year and

Brian Atlasa half. >> And my longest relationship was almost three years. >> Three years. Okay. That three-year relationship, when did that end?

Kira>> Um, the start of my senior year of high school. So, we were together throughout all of high school >> mostly. Yeah. Majority of high school. Yeah, >> it's it ended the start of your senior year. >> Yes.

Kira>> Okay, I see. Um, what happened? Cheating or just >> No, no, not cheating. >> We Yeah, we just been together for a

Kirareally long time and he >> I didn't like the way that he let his mom dictate our relationship. >> His mom dictate the relationship. What

Kiraif you can maybe give us two or three examples? What were some ways the mom was dictating the relationship? >> She didn't want him to be with me. She liked me as a person. She just didn't want him

Kirato be in a relationship. And she made that very clear. She and like he was not allowed to come to my house hardly ever. Um even if like my parents were home and

Kiramy parents were like super communicative with her. And I remember one time she had told him that my mom had emailed her and told her he couldn't come over,

Kirawhich is like my mom didn't have her email. So that was kind of funny. And you know, if he'd like asked her to see me, she would bring up like a chore or

Kirasomething he had to do instead. It just it just wore on me after a while. I I really did care about him, but it just got to a point I was like, I feel like I'm moving into adulthood and I don't want to feel like I'm being held down by your mom. So,

Brian Atlas>> sure. >> Although, >> love to her, though. I love her as a person. She's awesome. >> Okay. >> But, >> and uh you've been in a relationship for

Swaniea year and a half. Okay. What about you? >> Okay. So, I've been single for like a year, but I have my reasons behind it.

SwanieBasically, I was with a guy and it was a trauma bond rather than, you know, a real relationship.

SwanieAnd I'm not going to like go through the whole turmoil because it's going to take like three other episodes to explain the whole thing, but long story short, he

Swanieliterally ended up [ __ ] my roomie from the psych. Yeah. >> What? >> So, it was nice to know that he had a type >> psychord type. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Nice. >> Yes. And he took her on my dream date as well. >> Wait, question. Have you been to the psychord? >> Well, what do you think? >> I don't know. You seem very well put

Brian Atlastogether. >> Yes. Well, now I am, but obviously it plays to me. You said he has a type, so I feel like that would indicate that he's dated multiple women.

Swanie>> I mean, he probably likes crazy girls, but like obviously he wants me, >> but he can't get me anymore, so he's going to have to get Was he in the psych word? >> He fumbled you.

Brian Atlas>> Let me >> Did he fumble? Did he fumble you? >> Oh, absolutely. What does that mean? >> Can't believe what can't believe that guy. >> What's fumbled? >> Just fumbled. I'm like, he made a big [ __ ] mistake.

Swanie>> Big mistake >> cuz like after that I went along to visit seven other countries. So >> yeah. >> Okay. Good times. Um longest uh relationship. >> My longest relationship was a year and

Swanietwo months. >> A year and two months. Okay. >> Yes. And um I'm not sure if you want to like hear this, but the reason why we ended things is cuz um I'm not sure if

Swaniewe'll get monetized, but I snuck out of my house when I was like 17 just to see him. And then that was literally the

Swaniesame time my French student from Nie France was going to come over and sleep in my house. But I was just like, "No, I literally don't care. she can just come

Swanieover and sleep there without me knowing that I'm there. But my parents knew that I snuck out already and I ended up doing tabs with this guy. >> Mhm.

Swanie>> And then >> yeah, that basically just broke off the whole entire relationship because >> Yeah. >> Nice. Good times. >> Yeah. Good times. Had a good trip, but the aftermath was not good. >> Okay.

Mari>> But that's a whole different story for later. >> Sure. All right. >> Wait, so that's why you broke up with him? Because you did acid with him? >> No, he broke up with me. >> Cuz you did acid? >> Yes. >> What the [ __ ] He like

Mari>> he saw God and like he broke up with me.

Katie (Cashier)>> Uh what what about you? >> Who picks these? >> I'm married and my longest relationship was about eight years. >> All right. Is that your current >> No, I we just got married in June. We've

Katie (Cashier)been officially dating since last November. >> Wait. And so you guys have been together for just a year total. >> Yeah. Like we've known each other for about like nine years. So we've been friends for a long time.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, interesting. Okay. So your longest relationship 8 years. >> And were you married or No. >> No. >> Okay. So this is your first marriage? >> Yes.

Katie (Cashier)>> Okay. From start of dating to marriage, how long were you guys together? Um, we were kind of I guess unofficially dating since like well the November 2023 is

Katie (Cashier)when like we kind of reconnected. So I was just driving back and forth from NorCal to LA to see him. >> Okay. >> We just weren't you know I guess I like I said it's like unofficially dating more like I was like chasing him.

Katie (Cashier)>> And you said you guys have been friends for a long time. >> Yeah, we used to work together. >> The 8-year relationship from from what age to what age was the 8-year relationship? It's 24 till um I don't remember when we broke up. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> 32. >> Yeah. Somewhere around there. >> Okay. And you said you've known your current husband for 9 years. >> Yeah. >> So, it's been a while since I did math. Hold

Brian Atlason. We have a couple econ accounting people here. Maybe they can help me out. So, would that be 5 years into your 8-year relationship, you met your now husband? Is that

Katie (Cashier)correct? Well, not saying anything happened, but you met him, >> I guess. Yeah, I think when did we meet? Um, important. I think >> Was he friends with your ex? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, here we go. Let's We'll dig a bit. I'll dig a bit. I know where I'm going. Um, so Okay. Uh, they were friends. >> Actually, we all worked together before. >> Oh, you worked together? Yeah. >> What uh what was the work? >> Uh, it was like um a restaurant kind of setting.

Katie (Cashier)>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. found you guys were like servers or >> um kind of I mean because it was like in a food court sort of set like Okay. >> So it was a food establishment. >> Sure. Yeah. Okay. >> Um

Katie (Cashier)so okay y'all knew each other >> and they were friends but you were also friends with him too >> kind of like we didn't really talk like when we worked cuz he was actually um my manager. So like I just didn't really

Katie (Cashier)talk to him. They were more friends and I was just kind of just working. >> Question for you. Was your husband biting his time? >> Oh, you mean for me? >> For you?

Katie (Cashier)>> No, no, no. He >> um, you know, >> like when we first started talking and then I told him at that like a few months in like, "Hey, I like you." And he actually turned me down. >> He had other priorities. He didn't want a relationship.

Katie (Cashier)>> So, when you were single, you you tried to date him, but he Okay. >> Well, like >> Oh, but he was dating somebody at the time, you said, right? >> Oh, my husband. He was dating someone like a year before. like I reconnected

Katie (Cashier)with him because he was in the Bay Area and then he moved to LA in 2020. Okay. >> So, I didn't see him again until 2023. >> I see. Gotcha. Okay. Well, uh and you've been married for how long?

Brian Atlas>> Couple months. >> Couple months. All right. >> And uh you guys planning to have kids or >> Yes. >> Do you have any kids? >> No. >> No kids. Okay. >> All right. What about you? >> I'm in a relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. How long uh have you been? >> Two weeks. Two weeks. All right. Longest relationship. >> No. >> Or what? What's the longest? >> What's the longest one? >> Um, a month. >> One month.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh, I see. Okay. >> See what >> I No, I was remembering the notes. There was somebody in here who said, >> "Oh, yeah. >> No relationship has lasted more than a month."

Bella (Econ)>> Um, how many past relationships would you say haven't lasted over a month? Because you say all your relationships. So, how how many? >> Many. probably like so this one's my

Brian Atlasthird so technically two >> I see okay haven't lasted over a month and when you call them relationship so these are like official boyfriend

Brian Atlasgirlfriend were there periods >> like before where it was more casual situationship or it was >> you just immediately you meet somebody were boyfriend girlfriend >> yeah it was it's like talking and then

Bella (Econ)immediate like >> pretty quick >> yeah not really a situationship kind of like oh That's date. >> I see two weeks. >> So, listen, Bella, >> I want to I have a challenge for you.

Brian Atlas>> Let's make it to two months. Okay. >> I know. I'm really excited. >> Look, if it ends after two months, you know, that's uh you know, 2x the longest relationship ever. So, if you make it >> to two months,

Brian Atlas>> uh we'll actually give you a prize. We'll give you >> Who do I reach out to? >> Uh you reach just at whatever on Instagram. We will um

Brian Atlaswhat do what do we get her? I don't know. We get we we get you a a coupon >> door card. >> Uh I don't know. Something

Brian Atlas>> for freezing your eggs or something. I don't know. Um anyways. Uh so, okay. Question though. You say all your past relationships

Bella (Econ)haven't lasted over a month. Why do you think that is? cuz I was well my first one was when I was 15. It's like high school. I'm just gonna you know immaturity probably. >> Um >> can you stop?

Bella (Econ)>> Yes. >> Yeah. Just probably immaturity and then um no bad blood with any of them. I feel like I like to be friends with the people.

Cody>> Okay. Gotcha. All right. Cool. What about you? Um, my longest relationship, well, I'm single right now and my

Codylongest relationship was 5 years. Um, I actually just met a dude last night that lives in LA and he's probably going to come pick me up from this podcast, so

Codywe're going to hang out. See where that goes. Um, yeah. >> Longest relationship? >> Longest was five years. >> Oh, five years. Sorry. >> And you've been single for >> No, I've been single for about four and a half. Four. Okay.

Cody>> Yeah. >> Any kids? >> Yes. I have a 11-year-old son. >> All right. Is that from the five-year relationship? >> It's from one of the five-year relationships. >> Okay. There's been a few. >> There's been not a few, but there's been

Brian Atlastwo. Um, yeah. >> Got it. Okay, cool. Uh, how did you meet this LA guy? >> Facebook dating. >> Boom. There you go. Rock and roll. >> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. Um, let's see if there No,

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Brian Atlasto just jump right in, guys. So, we have a couple different topics to talk about. We're going to keep it mostly dating

Brian Atlasrelated tonight, but uh Shona here had a specific request to talk about some a recent event. So, why not? I'll bite for

Brian Atlasa little bit, but we'll keep it mostly dating. Uh Shonaha, you had written that let's see quite a few dating related

Brian Atlastopics, but uh you wanted to talk about uh Charlie Kirk. >> I knew it.

Brian Atlas>> So we'll touch on it briefly. Uh so you said that uh well I'll just let you put into your own words then. >> Yeah. So, I think I have a lot of thoughts when it comes to Charlie Kirk. Do you want me to just say everything? I

Shona (DT260)think >> uh sure. I mean, okay. So, >> is it like a fiveminute monologue or >> a few minutes? Is that okay? >> Few minutes. >> No, no, no. You can cut me off whenever. Feel free to cut me off whenever. >> Do try to condense it. >> Okay. >> If you can short and sweet.

Shona (DT260)>> Okay. So, first of all, I saw I saw Charlie Kirk hater in the title of the video, and I want to say I think hater is a very crude way of defining my thoughts on him. I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. I certainly did not

Shona (DT260)celebrate his death. Um, regarding the super chat I saw earlier, I think it was horrible. My stomach dropped the day I saw and I feel for his family. I have empathy for his family, which is something he actually didn't believe in. He believed empathy was a new age term.

Shona (DT260)But overall, I'd say that he promoted a lot of really dangerous and harmful agendas and rhetoric um throughout his career. >> Really quick, what what are those? >> I think one that standed stood out to me

Shona (DT260)specifically was the Islamophobic things he would say. Yeah. >> So he said Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America which is just no context. He just he tweeted that. >> Um additionally he said in relation to

Shona (DT260)Mumani running for NYC mayor and you can have whatever thoughts you want on Mamani like Eileen left but some of the things he he talks about like even I I have questions about that but he said in

Shona (DT260)relation to him running he said Muslims they bombed um America on 911 and now you want a Muslim in office. nothing to do with his politics, just straight up Islamophobia. He calls Muslims

Shona (DT260)conquerors, invaders, mind you, I mean like I respect Christianity and all religions. I don't think we should generalize religions like that. But he said he said that thing those about them

Shona (DT260)when mind you Christians have in the past like the trail of tears, the treatment of indigenous people, shhatel slavery justified by the Bible, the incomand system,

Shona (DT260)the the crusades. Like there's so much that all religions have done that's harmful and I don't think you can suddenly say things like that about Islam. >> Uh so I mean there's a lot there. >> Sorry, I have a lot. >> You've kind of shotguned a whole bunch

Brian Atlasof points. It's >> uh some of these are not my particular wheelhouse and obviously Charlie Kirk has like thousands of hours of content online and I'm not necessarily prepared

Brian Atlasto defend like every single thing he's ever said just because I would have to know the precise points. Really quick though, just off the top of my head, um an immediate rebuttal to your point, uh this idea that Christians did crusades.

Brian AtlasMost of these crusades were actually in response to uh Muslim conquest. You see like Muslim conquest in like Spain, for example, uh reaching into Europe, going

Brian Atlasto Vienna. So most of these Christian uh conflicts as it relates to Islam and and uh Muslims were actually repelling invasions into Christian land. So

Brian AtlasMuslims did conquest all the way up to Vienna. So this idea that, you know, Muslims throughout all of history have been a completely peaceable people is ridiculous. I don't think, well, you

Brian Atlascould look at pretty much any group throughout history and say no, no group has really been a peaceable people. >> No group has. >> No group. That would include even, for example, Native Americans. But cuz you

Brian Atlasdid mention the Trail of Tears. I would point out though that uh you know >> and the re-education of Native Americans. >> Well, okay. Well, hold on. We're get we're getting into a whole bunch of different wheelhouses here. Um in any

Brian Atlascase, though, >> I think it's valid to have specific criticisms of over things Charlie has said. Again, I'm not a I don't know what the right word is. I'm not like an

Brian Atlasencyclopedia of every single thing he said. I'm not an encyclopedia uh of all the defenses of everything he said. Also, people tend to mischaracterize his arguments, leaving out critical comments. >> I just I quoted I quoted what he said.

Shona (DT260)Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America. And you don't have to be an encyclopedia, but I'd love for you to tell me what you think of that statement specifically. >> I again, I don't know the specific context. >> That is just a tweet.

Brian Atlas>> Well, hold on. So, you you do realize though Charlie Kirk would be live streaming and he'd be speaking for hours on end. So for you to just throw out a statement, >> this was standalone, right? Stand alone.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Like he didn't say this in the context of a long conversation. He tweeted this. >> What What did he say? >> Islam is the knife. >> Can we just for pull it up? >> Just pull it up. >> Then I could give my >> And he also tweeted the thing about Bomb

Shona (DT260)Donnie like, "Oh, Muslims, they bombed um America during 9/11. Now you want to vote a Muslim into office." Those were standalone tweets. >> I would say that that's facious argument on if that's what he said. I think that'd be facious. Yeah, that's completely

Brian Atlas>> But also my understanding is >> Islamophobic. >> My understanding would be that Charlie Kirk as a Christian, he would want uh Christian doctrine and values to have influence in the way we govern the

Brian AtlasUnited States >> like a theocracy. >> Well, I don't know if that was necessarily his prescription, but he would want the guiding principles and values of Christianity. >> And there's nothing wrong with that. Like personally growing up around Catholic school, I think Christianity

Shona (DT260)has many values and you don't even have to specifically tie them to Christianity. Like just overall morals that should be incorporated into the government. But I just I can't again like it's fine that he's Christian and he promotes those. >> You know what though before Look, I

Brian Atlasthink it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk has said things that you object to or that you might even Well, hold on. That might even could be objectionable across the board. Absolutely. If you presented to me something that Charlie Kirk said,

Shona (DT260)I could be like, I disagree with that. >> So, can you please tell me that you disagree with him saying Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America and that >> what? So, hold on. Is that what he repeat what he said?

Shona (DT260)>> I've said it so many times. Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America >> in reference to 9/11. Like the context. >> Not necessarily. Just in reference to all his feelings about Muslims.

Brian Atlas>> But is it in reference to 911? Wait, hold on. Do you deny that? Uh, who wasn't it? Like, who were the uh hijackers? >> I think Donald Trump is the knife that slit the throat of America. Anyway, >> fair enough. >> Fair enough. I'm glad I'm so glad we're

Brian Atlason the same page about that. >> Disagree on that. >> You said fair enough, though. >> I'm saying fair enough. Not in agreement with you. >> Okay. >> When he said >> I'm saying fair enough, you can fair enough. You can say that. >> Okay.

Cody>> Yeah. Yeah. Don't agree. Disavow. Disagree. Yeah. >> When he said like Islam is the knife that slits the throat of America, did he mean like Islam or did he mean like ISIS and like the >> He said Islam. He said Islam. >> Bad.

Swanie>> He did not. >> I went on Twitter and I think >> Did you find it? >> I found a picture. I can't 100% verify this, but it's a screen and it's pretty close to what you're saying. >> Yeah, we can pull.

Shona (DT260)>> It is real, by the way. >> Is this the right the right one? >> Okay. Yeah, I paraphrased it. I can't confirm that this was I'm still looking for it. >> Okay. >> But again, like I mentioned a lot of things he said about

Shona (DT260)>> the sword the left is using. >> Okay. So, you did misquote him. You I do want to acknowledge that. >> Okay. I did not I do not remember all the things he said word for word, but I mean overall he's just said a lot of harmful things about Islam.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Do you think for >> he's also very xenophobic? >> I'm just curious. Do you think that uh >> Okay. >> You're you're against like a theocracy, right? a full-on theocracy >> like so for example would you be against

Shona (DT260)Sharia law in this country? >> Look I think >> well no answer the question >> it depends on it it would depend on how it's implemented. >> What do you mean how it's implemented? >> Listen listen can I expand on that? I

Shona (DT260)think there are countries that have Sharia law that don't treat women well. For example Afghanistan. I'm completely against the treatment of women in Afghanistan and certain Sharia law the same way I would be against like a government completely controlled by

Shona (DT260)Christian values like not incorporated but like a full-on Christian theocracy. I don't think religion should rule the government. I think you can incorporate values of a religion into the way you lead. >> Why can't you just answer the question? >> What? Repeat question.

Brian Atlas>> Do you think that that there should be Sharia law in the United States? >> No, not necessarily. No, that would even make sense. Like there's >> why the need to like muddy the waters there. >> Okay. Well, I >> cuz you're saying so what if there was a

Brian Atlasmanifestation of Sharia law that you personally found u acceptable >> cuz I I can agree with you like there are there are various Muslim majority countries that >> that don't treat people. Sure. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Well, no, I was about to say that have varying degrees of uh you know, liberties and freedoms for their populace. Some of them are less oppressive, some of them are more oppressive. In my ideal world, I don't think religion is playing a role in

Shona (DT260)government. >> I found the actual quote, by the way. >> Sure, we can pull it up. >> Um, it's a response to a video. >> Oh, there we go. See, that's kind of more what I said, right? >> Or no, it's not, is it?

Shona (DT260)>> No, it's the same thing, but he's responding. This is what >> there's a clip. Okay. So, >> again, regardless of a clip, I I don't think that's a very great statement to

Shona (DT260)make. I think like you said, oh, Islam's not a fully peaceful religion or something like that. I think >> I suppose this could apply to all religions, >> right? I think the I think the vast

Shona (DT260)majority of Muslims are not for terrorism and not for ISIS and not for 9/11. That's not that's like liberal Islam, which is like widely practiced today, is normal and acceptable and

Shona (DT260)peaceful and should not be subject to the things that he said about Islam. >> That's what I think. >> Okay. >> I hope you can agree with that. agree with what specifically >> that like Islam as a religion is not inherently

Brian Atlas>> but I'm a little bit confused. Wouldn't you make a criticism if there were Christian nationalists who wanted to govern the United States under a Christian doctrine? Would you object to

Brian Atlasthat? And would you completely would you think that that would be like sli like potentially slitting the throats of liberty in America? >> Yeah, sure. >> So, how would it be then if if that's

Brian Atlasyour position? How could you possibly have an objection to somebody saying, "Well, this other religion over here, uh, that would be slitting the throats of Americans if if used by the left."

Shona (DT260)>> Because the left isn't even using Islam to slit the throat of America. That doesn't even make sense. No one's trying to incorporate Islam values into the government here, are they? Please correct me if I'm wrong. >> Uh, I mean, perhaps not at full scale,

Brian Atlasbut like if you if you look at Dearbornne, Michigan, for example, it's like a completely Muslim majority area. You have women walking around and I don't know what your position on this is, but women walking around in like

Brian Atlasfull uh burka full is it nikab I think I'm not >> that's the one that covers everything but your eyes. >> Yeah. So uh I don't know if how that >> that's completely acceptable by the way for for someone to wear that

Brian Atlas>> what's that >> that clothing like >> you say it's inac >> No it's acceptable. >> You think it's acceptable? >> Of course. Yeah. >> Okay. I mean >> it's freedom of religion. It's in the in the first amendment right. >> Okay. Sure. I suppose.

Brian Atlas>> What do you mean you suppose? >> Yeah. People are free to do it. >> Is it? >> But would you would you like to see that being the status quo for the entirety of America? >> But the entirety of America is not Muslim. So that would never be the status quo. >> I know, but I'm just talking

Shona (DT260)hypothetically. >> If okay, if the whole of America was somehow Muslim and practicing Islam and chose to wear the nikab, which is like a very far stretched hypothetical, then yes, because we have the right to practice whatever religion we believe in.

Brian Atlas>> Question for you though. Let's say for example, you realize that you know there's different jurisdictions, right? So you have like local jurisdictions where it's like the city level, then you have county, then you have then you have state.

Brian Atlas>> Uh would you object to assume there was a Muslim majority in a county, >> Michigan, for example, and they said, you know what, we're going to pass a law that requires women to wear the nika. >> I would disagree with that.

Shona (DT260)>> You would disagree with that. What I'm advocating for is the freedom to practice your religion, practice your speech, your beliefs, whatever that is. So, no one could enforce a certain belief or anything like that on you. Right.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, I understand that you have specific criticisms of things Charlie Kirk has said, but I do want to get back his xenophobia. He was very xenophobic like against immigrants. >> How how so? >> Okay, so there's this reporter on who

Brian Atlasyou >> wait really quick. Can you define xenophobia? discrimination against immigrants, prejudice against immigrants. >> So if you were if just by virtue of being >> foreigners, aliens, whatever you want to

Brian Atlasuse. >> Let's say you as an American you have a anti-illegal immigration stance, would that make you xenophobic? >> No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. And I want to get into that.

Brian Atlas>> But what if you point to, for example, like potential negative outcomes of illegal immigration? Is that xenophobic? No, because I'm I like I recognize the potential negative effects of illegal immigration, which is why I kind of am

Shona (DT260)more moderate when it comes to the topic of immigration. That still doesn't make me xenophobic. >> What specifically has Charlie Kirk said that's xenophobic? >> Yeah. So, Miy Hassan, he was reporting on MSNBC and I forget what he was reporting about, but out of context,

Shona (DT260)Charlie Kirk, he heard his like British accent and he said, "Someone send this guy to wherever he came from. Like, send him back. Deport him for what he was saying, like his take that he disagreed with." And mind you, this guy, Midi Hassan, he's an American citizen,

Shona (DT260)completely naturalized. He also he said something about um if if you criticize Israel, um I won't talk too much about that necessarily if it's not allowed, but um you should be deported. So he he kind of had the like this stance of

Brian Atlaslike, oh, you say something I disagree with, get out of this country. Like that's just >> that's seems kind of a little bit xenophobic to me. >> Yeah, sure. So, I mean, what I ultimately want to do though, I'm sure you can list >> so many things. I'm sure you can list a dozen.

Brian Atlas>> I'm not even cherry picking. That's fine. I just hear this all and I just fine. And look, myself, I could probably point to things that Charlie Kirk has said that I would be like, you know, I disagree with that or I have

Brian Atlasdisagreement on policy or that specific thing he said, you know, wording not great, wrong, whatever. I want to bring it back to the central point here, though, is that >> radical statements. You're you're saying

Brian Atlasthat he said these bad things, >> radical statements, >> extreme, vulgar, kind of dangerous radical statements. Stuff about gun violence. Oh my god. >> Oh my god. Well, okay. Again, I don't want to I don't want to get into the weeds with you.

Brian Atlas>> I I don't want to because then we're just going to have like a debate on all his political takes. We're going to talk about gun control. We're >> My dream date. >> We're going to talk about everything, right? I know. >> Um so >> he doesn't want to talk about it. It's

Brian Atlasokay. Well, but what I did want to talk about the central point here would be is it sounds like you're about to make a justification for assassination. >> No. >> Okay. Well, >> no one should ever be assassinated for

Shona (DT260)their speech, no matter how >> crazy and harmful it is. >> But where's the butt? >> Is is there a butt? >> Well, there's a period at the end of that sentence. >> You know what? Sure, I can add a butt, though. I don't I don't think he could

Shona (DT260)be separated from the agendas he he chose to promote. With that said, I still don't think he should be killed. And again, like it's horrifying and disgusting and I condemn it and it's really harmful to democracy to for someone to be killed for the things they

Shona (DT260)say, no matter how outlandish. >> You say he ultimately contributed to the dangerous political environment that led to his demise. >> I don't think he can be separated from the systems he spent his time promoting. Like for example, I think if Charlie

Brian AtlasKirk was, let's say you had a son, >> wait, I don't even understand this logic. So, for example, uh if if anybody who ever votes for a politician, like how can you ever be

Brian Atlasseparated from the system that you promoted through your vote >> and through your own agency? >> What I'm saying that about Charlie Kirk specifically? >> Well, question. If somebody voted for Donald Trump and they were assassinated or they believe in like, you know, uh

Brian Atlasthey're they're like really pro- second amendment, would you be like, "Well, you contributed. you we can't separate you from that system because you are pro- second amendment. >> Well, I mean it's again it's not supposed to be a justification. It's

Shona (DT260)supposed to be >> well it's a bit of you're doing >> a nuanced look at >> you're doing a bit of handwaving >> also with Charlie Crook it's different than voting cuz he he's like he was funded by billionaires. He was very influential. He had like all these like viral clips and moments like

Brian Atlas>> so he should be assassinated because >> No, no, no, no. You're trying You're trying to like >> You've just made the argument like these Democrats, by the way, extremely extremely extremely bought out by major

Brian Atlascorporations. Camala, massive, massive contributions. I don't believe in that. I don't believe in that. >> I don't believe in billionaires playing a huge role in politics.

Brian AtlasWhen you say you don't believe in that, you're saying you don't believe what I said to be true or you don't believe that billionaires should be contributing politically? >> I don't think they should be like pouring all their money into these media pieces. That's a separate conversation.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But that's what I believe. I don't I just don't think they should be like funding what >> right. But then you would have to argue that well okay because Camala raised billions of dollars. >> I don't love Camala from donors. She's not but she should I don't think she

Brian Atlasshould be assassinated for it. But your logic seem would seem to >> Charlie should not have been assassinated. >> It seems to follow that she's contributed to the system of violence. >> What I wanted to say about that

Shona (DT260)statement in the context of Charlie Kirk is that he constantly kind of like excused and brushed over gun violence every year. He's like, "Oh, it's collateral. Oh, it's just like car accident deaths every year that's the consequence of us getting to drive a

Shona (DT260)car." >> Yeah. And I think if it was if it was you had if you had a son who was in first grade and that son was the victim of gun violence, Charlie Kirk would not bat an eye in the direction or care about that at all.

Shona (DT260)>> It was just collateral to him. Gun violence was just collateral to him. >> Well, I think Charlie Kirk would absolutely be uh broken if one of his children was killed by gun violence. >> Yeah, but when it's other people's children, like when it's the people

Shona (DT260)there was another school shooting the same day Charlie Kirk died. If he had like lived past that, he would have been like, "Oh, it's just collateral. It's just so we can bear arms. It's just like the >> I think you can still want to maintain

Brian Atlasyour constitutional rights, specifically the Second Amendment, and also abhore uh unjustified killings, violence, uh school shootings, >> but at the expense of how many things, but believing in the Second Amendment

Brian Atlasand wanting to uphold the Second Amendment and giving people access to uh you know, robust ability to protect themselves and to prevent a tyrannical government >> without even the consideration of any sort of gun control. >> Let me just finish my point. I think

Brian Atlasthese two positions are not contradictory. So you can be like, "Hey, we have a major issue in our country. Uh, gun violence of any kind is we shouldn't have any, but we should also be able to own firearms,

Shona (DT260)>> right?" But then if you think that if you are if you are so horrified by gun violence, but you want to protect your Second Amendment right, then shouldn't you believe in some sort of gun control, some sort of checks and measures? >> There there are >> not enough clearly. If they're getting

Brian Atlasinto the hands of people like >> Sure. Well, I I mean, I can talk about my own experience. For example, um if you go to a gun shop here in the United States or well, sorry, in California, uh the first thing you have to do is you

Brian Atlashave to get a safety certificate. It's like a 25. To be fair, it's you can I studied for it. I passed it the first time. Um it's pretty simple. And then there's a

Brian Atlas>> pretty simple, right? Anyone could >> Well, then but if you make it too complicated because for example, there's like questions on there. I got 23 out of 25 questions correct. Two of them were

Brian Atlasrelated to like if you're a firearms dealer, something about being a firearms dealer. Um uh which like I'll never need to know. And then there was something about like

Brian Atlaswhat age do you need to be to be able to buy >> like a specific type of gun? And I'm like I'm well above the age for that to ever be relevant to me. So, it's like >> I just want increased background checks

Shona (DT260)and things like that to make sure that if you want to uphold your second amendment right as a like an ethical normal person who is law abiding that you can get that gun but then it can't get into the hands of people who are not ethical and law abiding. I just want >> So there's a 10day at least in

Brian AtlasCalifornia 10day cooling off period. So you go to a gun shop first you have to pass you have to pass the test you have to get the background check make sure you don't you know there's nothing that's going to come up on that and then you have to wait 10 days before to get

Brian Atlasthe firearm. different jurisdictions, different states have different laws. >> Yeah. >> Um but I mean I guess my question I would ask you is even if there's an outright and it you know practically

Brian Atlasspeaking I think it's just going to really never happen. Um >> do you think if we were to actually >> fully outlaw gun like would that be your hope to fully outlaw guns? >> That's not necessarily my take because I

Shona (DT260)again I don't think you can start like compromising on amendments. I just want like increased measures to where again people like you can get guns but people like school shooters can't just increased safety and hopefully less gun

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