WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?! | Dating Talk #202

Date: 2024-10-07

Duration: 7h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elby(guest)

SPEAKER_04Emma(guest)

SPEAKER_05Arina/Bianca (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_13Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Irene(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull guest introduction round: Arina, Rachel, Bianca, Elby, Emma, Morgan, Ana, Brian Atlas, Andrew Wilson.

“hi my name is Arina ... my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible”

OtherArina reveals she loyalty-tested a new boyfriend one week after he asked her to be his girlfriend. DMd 20 women from his following list; he agreed to fly them out. He broke up with her when he found out, citing health issues and family problems.

“I got to I got to ask ... I DM'd 20 girls from his following list”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7). Arina=8, next guests=6.5. Andrew Wilson jokes he is a 10. Discussion of whether women peak in attractiveness with age.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 you can't pick seven ... probably eight ... 6 and a half”

ControversyBOW video 2.0 shown. Brian asks if women would bow for their partner. Panel largely refuses. Andrew points out contradiction: women perform sexual acts for near-strangers but won't bow for a committed partner.

“boom huge bow huge bow ... the same woman that says I would never bow for a man will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Irene on whether tarot cards are compatible with Christianity, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27. Irene defends her practice as a personal spiritual gift and says she is still rediscovering her faith.

“Leviticus 1926 do not practice divination or seek Omens ... you're doing both divination and seeking omens”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women's suffrage destroyed the United States by shifting voting patterns toward security/risk-aversion over freedom. Claims men-only voting would have produced better outcomes.

“women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America”

OtherBrian mentions at end of show that a girl walked off during the stream; plans to post behind-the-scenes footage in Discord. Walkoff not captured clearly in main transcript — referenced only in closing segment.

“BTS maybe we'll post the BTS of that girl who walked off”

OtherBrian announces fundraiser for Mason, a former guest in a severe motorcycle accident with 10% survival odds. $3,400 raised via GiveSendGo; Brian personally donated $1,500.

“he was in a severe motorcycle accident ... 10% chance of survival ... we were able to raise $3,400”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: Arina (20, CSUF), Rachel (39, Vancouver server), Bianca (22, care provider), Elby (22, UCI pre-optometry), Emma (22, communications), Morgan (18, SBCC soccer), Ana (19, UCSB). Andrew Wilson introduced as co-host. Each guest shares relationship history.

Loyalty testing / Arina's boyfriend loyalty test story

Arina describes loyalty-testing a new boyfriend by DMing 20 women from his following list after one date. He failed by agreeing to fly girls out. Panel debates whether loyalty testing is justified. Andrew Wilson frames it as a crystal-ball thought experiment about foreknowledge.

Paternity tests and trust in relationships

Brian asks whether panelists would agree to a paternity test if requested by a husband. Majority say they would but would be hurt by the lack of trust.

Female submission and masculinity in relationships

Andrew Wilson argues optimal relationships have women deferring to men. Discussion of empathy, narcissism, masculinity. Andrew argues men are biologically designed for low empathy. Irene defends balance and Christian ethics of submission.

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Ratings extracted: Arina=8, Rachel/Bianca unclear, Elby ~6.5, Emma ~6.5, Morgan unknown. Brian passes. Andrew jokes he is a 10. Discussion follows about whether women get better-looking with age.

Aging / do women peak discussion

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10/20/30/40 years. Arina claims she will keep improving until death. Andrew and Brian rebut with the concept of aging market value. Discord members use an aging AI filter on two of the guests.

Romance declining / chivalry

Panel discusses whether romance and chivalry are declining. Consensus is yes; causes attributed to hookup culture, social media, feminism, and Trudeau (Rachel).

BOW Video 2.0 — would women bow for their man

Brian shows a viral 'BOW video' of a woman bowing when her boyfriend arrives. Panelists asked if they would bow. Most refuse. Irene (SPEAKER_14) refuses citing it is not her culture (uses bow for elders). Brian and Andrew point out the contradiction: women will perform sexual acts for near-strangers but refuse a bow for a committed partner.

Christian faith and tarot cards — Irene debate with Andrew

Andrew challenges Irene's claim of being Christian while practicing tarot cards, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27 (divination/necromancy). Irene argues she is still rediscovering her faith and believes she has a gift from God. Andrew argues she suffers from confirmation bias.

Women working vs. staying home / gender roles

Andrew argues most women would choose not to work given the option, and smart women should raise children rather than waste intelligence in corporate jobs. SPEAKER_13 (career-focused guest) pushes back, saying she wants to be a lawyer and always work.

Andrew Wilson debate: women's suffrage and voting patterns

Andrew argues women's suffrage destroyed the US by causing risk-averse voting patterns that impede freedoms. Claims men voting alone would have resulted in better outcomes.

Dating market hypergamy and internet's effect on dating

Andrew walks through hypergamy argument: internet opened global dating pool, women now compete for top 5-10% of men, men receive few DMs while women receive thousands. Both agree internet destroyed localized dating. DM count comparison around panel.

Body count discussion

Brian asks if men are insecure for caring about body count. Rachel says yes; others say no. Brief panel discussion on whether body count matters in relationships.

Closing segment: pickup lines, Discord aging photos reveal, final bow

Panel shares best pickup lines. Discord reveals AI-aged photos of two guests. Brian asks for final bow volunteers; one guest agrees. Brian mentions a fundraiser for 'Mason' (previous guest in a severe motorcycle accident, 10% survival chance, currently in hospital, $3,400 raised).

Transcript

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IreneAndrew okay so we can really get into this but but so hold on so you're Christian what denomination well I'm still kind of fig figuring that out for myself because I have went through some sort of religious

Brian Atlastrauma and I've developed a more closer connection religious trauma well last I'll let Andrew jump in here in just a sec but um so you're Christian you claim to be a submissive woman woman wouldn't

Brian Atlasthe submissive thing be if your ultra wealthy husband said I don't want and he's Christian and he's like well I believe you practicing tarot cards is I

Brian Atlasdon't know the specific word it's a is it a blasphemy or is it like uh uh what is it Andrew it's not like Kos or not Coptic it's it's a heresy

Brian Atlasheresy thank you he's like that's heretical you're a Christian I'm a Christian I'm also a trillionaire I don't want you practicing tarot cards anymore do you do it for me

IreneI okay so my relationship with God is much more important than my relationship with my husband who's a trillionaire so for him to I guess make that or try to put that belief onto me

Ireneis T tarot cards the the hill you die on is tarot cards it's not even about just the tarot cards I also have a sense of my own Pride wait sorry sorry Andrew

Brian Atlasbefore I have you I know you want wait what the what happened here with the Oh okay that's um I have a question for

Brian Atlasyou would you want your boyfriend or husband to take a bullet for you look at that just hide it

IreneI mean I would do it for him so maybe yes like my husband close the door you'd want him to take a bullet for you

Brian Atlasyes bro these girls literally want you to die and provide for them but they won't bow they won't give up some heresy they won't give up tarot she won't she

Brian Atlaswants her husband to take a bullet for her but she won give up her tarot cards make it make sense I I got to take a smoke break go ahead

Andrew WilsonAndrew uh yeah can I I just wonder if um if you can help me out with a couple of things so I'm not going to I'm not going to beat you up I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand yeah I was just going to ask you a couple of quick questions uh I understand that you could be quite new to your faith is that is that what's going on sorry what did you say are you

Andrew Wilsonnew to your faith I wouldn't say it's Emma it's Emma right Irene is that your name what's that

Andrew WilsonIrene Irene okay sorry uh you're new to your faith Irene I'm rediscovering it okay gotcha um just so you know uh in

Andrew WilsonTarot I just want to ask you uh just a quick question do you use tarot to figure out kind of future events or

Irenecurrent events no I do not or current events in a sense yes but I never use it to predict the future I don't do any predictive readings it's much more of a

Irenetool to kind of get the general idea of what's going on and do you have a spirit guide well I wouldn't say a specific

Andrew Wilsonspirit guide I do pray to God what before I start my tarot readings yeah um and when you're looking at tarot cards for current events do the tarot

Andrew Wilsoncards ever lead you in such a way where you know what current events are or give you some type of insight into

Andrew Wilsonthem yes okay Leviticus 1926 do not practice divination or seek Omens that's you're doing both hang on you're doing both things you're seeking Omens and practicing divination

Andrew Wilsondivination would just be trying to to figure out currently what is going on through some type of uh externality which is other than God that would be divination and then Omens would be the

Andrew Wilsonexact same thing right you're looking at the cards for Omens of what will happen or has happened or is happening so I have done a lot of research on this because of a lot of

Irenepeople who have a lot of controversial opinions when it comes to tarot and my argument is that when people have maybe I wouldn't maybe like

IreneChristian people wouldn't call it mediumship abilities but gift from God and ability to see more than I guess like other people who may not be considered I wouldn't say like I'm

Irenechosen or anything but there are those kinds of people within the Bible so would that be considered the same thing or not like to be able to use your gift that was given there a there's a

Andrew Wilsondistinct difference between Revelation and utilizing uh Tarot cards which would be external to God's revelation right is because it's a

Andrew Wilsontool yeah well what what tools are let me ask you something where do you get the idea for what divine Authority is what is that to

Ireneyou is that just God to me Divine Authority is belief in a higher power and having faith in a higher

Andrew Wilsonsource okay for you is that Jesus Christ yes okay and so go and so you are beholden to Christ's word and you believe that Christ is God right mhm so

Andrew Wilsonif Christ is God you have to admit that this is the god of the Old Testament as well as the New Testament correct yeah so if that is the case Leviticus 2027 a man or a woman who is a

Andrew Wilsonmedium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death they shall be stoned with stones their blood shall be upon them that is sound like uh they want to see any divination witchcraft anything

Irenelike that okay so I have read that verse many times and it's just a bit hypocritical and ironic when a lot of people are able to just pick and choose which verses that they want to use to be able to

Irenejudge other people but there are many Bible verses that mention how no one should be able to judge anyone but God so I just feel it's which ones well I I can't honestly I don't have it at the

Andrew Wilsontop of my head but yeah do you know what the Bible actually instructs you the opposite way that you're supposed to use righteous judgment especially as a Christian so that you can judge the fruits of what is a thing right how else would you know what is evil if you

Andrew Wilsoncouldn't use judgment how how could you even

Andrew Wilsonknow like how would you know what to stay away from and what was evil what was bad if you couldn't use judgment okay that's a good point but I also don't think it's up to people to

Irenedecide what is righteous it's almost like having that belief who is it up to God and then what did God instruct you not to

Irenedo I don't really want to argue about this because this is something that I'm still rediscovering Within Myself And of course I knew that there were going to be many people who pull bible verses to

Irenecome against me in my practice but I mean that is what I believe and I I don't think there's much up for argument

Andrew Wilsonthere so even if you were wrong you believe it

Ireneanyway I can't I can't say that I'm wrong though okay well how do you know you're right I'm not saying I'm right either and that's why I'm telling you that I'm rediscovering this part of me

Andrew Wilsonwith my like connection well who would you go to to determine if you were wrong or right when it came to spiritual matters God you're going to go to God

Ireneand does God talk to you I just pray to God I'm able to get more clarification that way and if I do seek a mentor then I will a trusted Mentor that I truly believe they have a really good

Andrew Wilsonconnection to God as well but I how do you know that you don't suffer from affirmation bias where even though all tons of people have told you that this is not Christianity that you just choose not to believe them because you don't

Irenewant to believe them how do you know that that's not the case I've gone through a lot of spiritual ual Warfare debating between if this is right or wrong I've prayed many times about it I

IreneI truly believe that God does give gifts to people um I'm not saying like oh wow I have like The Ultimate Gift here but there are many people who have gifts

Irenefrom God and it's my question is what would make it wrong for them to use that gift

Andrew Wilsonnothing yeah nothing would make it wrong for them to use a gift from God but we are specifically instructed as what is and is not gifts from God tarot cards are not gifts from God right we

Andrew Wilsonare instructed in this in Leviticus uh but also even in the New Testament we're instructed in this multiple times by Christ's Apostles so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with any gifts

Andrew Wilsonfrom God why would I ever say that I'm just telling you that uh we have 2,000 years of Christian history of

Andrew Wilsonevery single saint who exist explaining that this is not the thing that you you should ever gravitate towards and even Protestants know that this is so and why

Ireneis it that you have decided you figured it out and all of them were wrong and I've been constantly telling you that I am still rediscovering this and so I what does that mean though rediscovering

Andrew Wilsonit when somebody corrects you you don't take correction or how do you ReDiscover a thing if people who do the thing tell you this is the wrong thing and you go well okay but

Irenelet me ReDiscover it like what does that mean rediscovery what does that even mean just like you mentioned about like having the righteous judgment everyone should have their own free thought so

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to just allow for people to correct me and just go based on that it's well then who's allowed to correct you whoever you think is correcting you based on your affirmation bias or

Andrew Wilsonconfirmation bias who's allowed to correct you like who's who's the person who's allowed to tell you okay what you're doing here is wrong and here's all the proof who's the person who's allowed to do that just you are you the

Ireneultimate Arbiter of what is Christian and what is not like who is I think the whole Journal journey of spirituality and finding your journey it's a journey yeah everything's a

IreneJourney finding the impartial like opinion yourself finding these things and allowing yourself to almost formulate your own free thought in relation to your connection to God but I

Andrew Wilsondon't think that if how do you know it's not a demon how do you know that how do you know you're not talking to a demon how do you know it's not a demon who's chatting with you I don't think a demon

Andrew Wilsonwould be the one who leads me back to my faith in Christianity really why not especially if you let's assume for a second that you were utilizing such a

Andrew Wilsonbastardized form of Christianity that you could not separate it from Modern Satanism and you you just called it Christianity wouldn't a Great Deceiver

Andrew Wilsonconvince you that a thing which was not Christianity was

Andrew WilsonChristianity so how do you know that it's not a deceiver I'm still figuring that out right now oh okay all right well I'll

Brian Atlasturn it over to Brian all right oh I you know uh two last things on the whole submissive conversation uh we have a video to react to but before we do that I guess the

Brian Atlaspoint I was trying to make by asking you guys about you know what would you do for employer it's like the same girl who will work a brutal fast food job dealing

Brian Atlaswith a bar a boss excuse me barking orders cleaning dirty dishes the bathroom shitty customers for like $15

Brian Atlasan hour but like say a a good guy comes into the picture who has the money to support her a family and make sure she never has to

Brian Atlaswork a day in her life again she doesn't want to Bow she doesn't want to cook she doesn't want to clean whatever it is it's just confusing to me because it's like your husband's going to ask way less of

Brian Atlasyou than your employer you'll do all the like the cleaning the cooking an employer will ask you to do that if you're in like food service or something a lot of women

Brian Atlashave experiened you know in food wai ring or whatever it is you'll do it for an employer but you won't do it for your husband and that's

Brian Atlasvery confusing to me um or take it further in other if it's you know for not talking about like a job that's a bit more physical you'll be submissive to your employer that's a

Brian Atlascold Corporation your boss but you won't be submissive to a man who loves you and who you love back I don't know

Brian Atlasit's confusing to me and the silence would indicate to me that I don't know if you guys agree like you've come to this realization that you've all submitted to

Brian Atlasyour to the faceless Corporation you go work for Facebook or Google or whatever they compensate you well but at the end of the day they tell you be here at this

Brian Atlastime do this do that sit in a chair be good and obedient if you don't you lose the job you get

Rachelfired you've traded your submission to men for the cold heartless Corporation it's an interesting trade yeah but the comparison is like your

Rachelcomparison is like if you're with a man well that is your comparison or you with a man that makes you not have to work that wasn't initially what you said you just said the question was just would

Rachelyou bow to your men sure well I added I added some extra details here yeah yeah but that's what I mean now it's changed now you're like if you don't have to and by the way by this through this

Rachelconversation I'm like I don't think I I don't know I kind of changed my mind about the bow I think oh you're against the bow now no no no I was against it and now I'm like maybe it's not like

Rachelmaybe as a sign of like maybe it's not as bad as I thought it was initially cuz I'm I always just think from my perspective right it's like so okay

Brian Atlaslet's say there's a guy or I mean I'll even like my own perspective like if if I'm making $2 million $3 million a

Brian Atlasyear and I want to date a submissive girl and you could be my life partner and I'll take care of everything you never have to work a day in your life you just got to take care of me and in

Brian Atlasfact by helping me you'll help me earn more money by taking some of the pressure off my life so by freeing up time for me I'm going to go out there and earn just because of you because you're my life I'll go earn an extra

Brian Atlashalf a mill a year because you're making my life easier and that enables me to work more and earn more yeah I get but you can do that as a woman and I can

Rachelcome in your life and totally change it or you can work for 70k a year yeah 9 to five be here at this time wake up at this time but I mean if the

Rachelif that means if like the money whatever first of all like personally my value is not necessarily a super super rich guy but yeah I would be happy to have but like my criteria is like if the guy's a dick and then he makes a lot of money and I'm I wouldn't want to submit but if

Rachellike you know what I need is a connection and what I need is like I also need to respect and but I also need to be able to be myself to be authentic and to do things that I love if I'm not able to do the things that I love like

Rachelplay music or the things that I love really that fills my soul then what what's the point of me being in a relationship if I can be myself and do things that I love and vice versa also I

Rachelthink and I think you don't you shouldn't have toose mus that's what I mean no because you said you said give up tarot whatever well she does it for a profession to make money so she could

Brian Atlashave so for example she could have a full she could have a day she could work a full Work Week where she's got 10 new clients a day and she's doing a tarot reading for 10 20 people a day and she's

Rachelthat's a full-time job yeah I didn't understand it as a job I understood it just a hobby yeah like she has to not do things that she loves that's that's the only way I understand I'm just thinking like if if

Brian Atlasyou could be involved with a guy M that he makes a million dollars a year and you can be with him or you can make $100,000 a year and be on your own I

Rachellike I don't know well there's just so many more elements it's it's you know sure that's that's why it's like could you sell me like a guy that's super rich and I don't have to sure I would I mean yeah I would

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)love that I think who wouldn't want to not have to work I would actually always want to work I life without work there's no challenge it's boring I personally think people who are like stay at home

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)well we'll give you 10 years in the workforce really strong I could not do that like you go ahead finish your point go ahead I was saying that I would always want to work because I feel like I would just feel empty that I'm not

Andrew Wilsonpursuing something that I love do you want kids I am still kind of debating on that if I'm well let's leave that for a second how old did you say you were 22 just yeah give it a decade and then

Andrew Wilsonwe'll see if you want to work or not give it a decade some people enjoy give it a decade when you're working and you're grinding or 10 hours plus a day at your job and then we'll see if you want to keep working do you think

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)there's guys who genuinely enjoy working like men do you think men why don't I think that most men are hardwired for it and they uh they absolutely enjoy it so but they don't have they don't have to

Andrew Wilsoncome with the conflict that women do the biological conflict of wanting to have a family and childbearing and nesting men don't have the same conflict women do and the other thing is is that even

Andrew Wilsonthough I know men absolutely love to work right I think that they absolutely would love to work on their passion projects even more than working at a job for a boss so if you were to say okay

Andrew Wilsonman you're liberated with $5 million to pursue X I think that they would choose that very quickly okay but personally I think like even if I would want to have a child you can you

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)can child bear and then you go back to work if you really truly enjoy it some woman you think there's not a single woman in this world who really doesn't enjoy working no I would never say that there's not a single I I would never

Andrew Wilsongroup anything in a monolith I would say that um that most women the majority the vast vast majority of women have given the choice not to work or to work would

Andrew Wilsonchoose not to work perhaps and I don't think I don't think that that's true of men I think that men would still choose to work maybe not jobby jobs but they would still choose to work um but I no I don't think most

Andrew Wilsonwomen would choose to work and this Bears out uh when you ask them if they would prefer to work or not work if they did not have to most of them say that they would prefer not to so do you think

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)because I always struggle to understand that because for me I am like you say men are hardw to want to work I think that is true for a majority but for me as someone who I could not see myself

Andrew Wilsonjust not doing anything I constantly have to be on the go and well I think I think we're speaking past each other so maybe we can clarify some things it wouldn't be that you aren't doing

Andrew Wilsonanything but let me ask you a question let's take a girl who works at Subway and she says I want to work right okay what the hell is the difference between her making a Subway sandwich for a

Andrew Wilsoncustomer and making a sandwich for her husband like I don't I I've never really understood that you know what I mean they're both work it's just like why would do you want to go work for strangers instead of working for your family I've never really

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)understood that just it it just seems illogical and nonsensical to me I do understand that example I think it just depends on occupation like for me as someone who who I want to be a lawyer that's completely different if you're

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)you know what I mean if you if I would would to be a submissive woman that would my lawyer skills or my debating skills or solving problem solving would not be helpful at all when you know if

Andrew WilsonI'm trying to be a submissive woman yeah they would be extremely helpful so you know you know why we need really smart women raising children is because I don't want really dumb women

Andrew Wilsonraising children so all those women who have the capacity to be really really good lawyers and doctors and things like this who have those really high IQs I'd rather see them at home teaching their

Andrew Wilsonchildren that's where I'd rather see them for the Next Generation to turn out uh all of those great High I want those women having babies and I want them nurturing those babies and making the

Andrew Wilsonnext high IQ generation right I don't want them wasted away in a cubicle that seems silly to me but that's not a waste wasting away in their cubicle for them if that's what they truly love to do I do understand I mean if you're someone

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)who wants to have kids if you're a woman who wants to work a high occupation job and have kids then for sure you got to make some sacrifices at some point of the child's life when you're working that position

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)but again it is possible and I don't think you should put away your passion to raise a kid because that because that if you want to work if if that's what you feel like you're compelled to do and

Andrew Wilsonyou don't actually want to do anything but that fine nobody's saying that you can't do that right you can't yeah and you have every right to but for the vast vast majority of women the conflict does

Andrew Wilsonnot come between I want to work or do not want to work it comes between I have to work but I'd rather have a family that's the real conflict which comes up because we

Andrew Wilsonvalue education uh over family that's what we do that's why women get married in their 30s now because they want to have this uh social safety net right the safety net of something to fall back on so the

Andrew Wilsonbig conflict really doesn't come into play Between Women who just demand to be at work because they want to be there all day but rather that they have to work because people have to work in m

Andrew Wilsonin order to make ends me right but let me ask you this now that I've kind of given you uh my view on this do you think that if you went down the street and asked women would you prefer to

Andrew Wilsonspend the rest of your life working or would you prefer early on to be able to settle down with a man who could provide for you that you loved which answer do you think they'd give I mean most likely they would want to have a family and

Andrew Wilsonsettle down but but all I'm saying is that that's my that's my whole point right and like I would prefer societ where we made that easier for them to do that rather than a society which valued

Andrew Wilsonsending our best and brightest women not to carry the future generation of children which only they could do but rather to slave the workforce underneath a boss that just seems insane to me right so everything is about a choice I

Andrew Wilsonjust think that there shouldn't be that much societal pressure to have kids if you don't want to you know what I mean why why shouldn't there be so why should there be so much societal pressure

Andrew Wilsoninstead to Value uh going to college for instance where uh useless degrees are handed out like their candy in fact it's so bad the standards have gotten so low

Andrew Wilsonthat anybody can do it College can't be about rewarding the best and the brightest or everybody couldn't get through college but they can and so the standards have necessarily lowered in

Andrew Wilsonorder to appeal to the lowest common denominator a high school diploma is the equivalency of a high school education just 70 years ago so it's like why shouldn't there be a national propaganda

Andrew Wilsonaround a nuclear family and having children instead of national propaganda and wasting your Youth and your childbearing years going and getting a worthless degree that almost nobody ever

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)uses I'd like to know the answer to that question because if you're if you know that your true passion is being in this whatever occupation job that is and then you're you have a society pressuring you

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)to have a kid and you feel like oh I I have to do this I have to sacrifice this you're always always going to regret not pursuing what you want to do and that kid is going to know that kid is going to know that you didn't do what you

Andrew Wilsonwanted to do and that's so what so what I mean what do you think sacrifice is about patriotism do you think that many get drafted and have to go to war right that they don't look back and go oh I could have done X and I could have done

Andrew WilsonY and I could have done Z there is a such a thing as patriotism there is such a thing in a nation as sacrifice for the nation why is this idea that everybody

Andrew Wilsonmust endlessly pursue in L Hedonism the best way instead of people uh pursuing what the greater good for the actual nation is that seems way wiser to me if you're going to if you're going to

Andrew Wilsonpropagandize an entire country why not propagandize them towards procreation and uh having nuclear families and things which are really good for the health of the nation why

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)not do that so you okay so you're being that as a grand scheme of things instead of in a particular family because sometimes there there are women and men who who have kids and don't pursue

Andrew Wilsonsomething they wanted to do and that affects the family and that causes a generational trauma because that's every human being on planet Earth has some pursuance that they weren't able to do

Andrew Wilsonthe whole world is filled with failed rock stars and failed artists and failed you know uh Professionals of all kinds who chased a dream that they were not able to achieve I mean that's most

Andrew Wilsonpeople have some regret of something they weren't able to do this kind of idea of that because people have kind of unachievable goals that we shouldn't kind of move Society towards these

Andrew Wilsonachievable things which most people can do which have proven time and time again to increase the happiness levels of almost everybody around that still seems

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)way better to me okay so you think uh for the greater good it is important to pursue something that you don't want even if that's going to make you and

Andrew Wilsonyour family miserable possibly well so this is uh this is loaded recognize how you said this right if it if it necessarily was going to make people's

Andrew Wilsonfamilies miserable how could it be for the greater good that makes no sense so if it was for the greater good the most amount of people would find it useful and the most amount of people would find this to be something which they would

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)want to pursue or it couldn't be for the greater good right it couldn't be I'm speaking of like how like how could it you know what I mean I mean you were speaking greater good and the way I understood you were speaking about a

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)nation and perhaps even a world how it would work better in a world but then there are going to be those really unhappy families who just did this because that was the societal pressure I mean that's always going to be the case that's what I'm saying yeah but we're

Andrew Wilsonnot going to you you would never in a million years for instance you would never say that there are going to be some people on planet Earth who perform better when they're doing drugs there

Andrew Wilsonare there's going to be some people who do you would never say everybody should be be able to do drugs because some people who do drugs perform better than others and have regrets they never did drugs does that does that even makes

Andrew Wilsonsense would you ever say that a million years of course not I don't think of course not but I don't think drugs would affect anyone positively to be honest with you no no wait a second caffeine hang on

Andrew Wilsonwait wait wait wait wait wait wait hang on caffeine and sugar doesn't affect people positively oh that's what I was about to say unless you're talking about those things and like you mean drugs

Andrew Wilsonlike do you mean something that was prescripted or just you're going to go even prescriptive as well there's all sorts of like for instance you say you think narcotics like um painkillers

Andrew Wilsonwhich are highly addictive aren't highly useful to Society of course they are and so like this idea that uh oh wait a second because uh some people would have preferred to have been on those drugs

Andrew Wilsonthat we can't regulate or propagandize against them that's insanity it's the same thing at the national level this idea of endless Hedonism and individualism with absolutely no thought

Andrew Wilsonto um to the the greater Society at whole is pure female solipsism men seem to understand this very well and the men I talk to go yeah that makes a lot of sense we probably should move towards

Andrew Wilsonthose things when we look at voting patterns that's what those things move to patriotism nuclear family anti- degeneracy that's what men vote for women vote purely around C ISM and let

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)me do what I want which is just crazy to me if if everyone understands that this is the optimal option why do you think especially in this day and age there's so many people who disagree with that

Andrew Wilsonokay I'm going to give you the answer and you're not going to like it for one reason one reason only because of women's suffrage women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America and women's voting patterns

Andrew Wilsonprove it and the truth of the matter is is that women vote vote mostly against risk-taking and because they vote mostly against risk-taking they

Andrew Wilsonimpede on people's freedoms and so individual people men especially who had the opportunity to vote out illegal immigration Keep the Country exactly how

Andrew Wilsonthey wanted it to be that was all completely destroyed by female suffrage men if only men had been able to vote in the United States of America right now

Andrew Wilsonthe United States of America would be Beyond the the Glorious shining example on the hill it would be beyond that and the the

Andrew Wilsonvoting patterns prove it every single time it's a vote for security over the freedom to actually pursue these higher values women vote against it almost

Andrew Wilsonevery single time okay and that's what I think I I think that that's the primary problem the primary problem was um is that is that the two Sexes do not see eye to eye

Andrew Wilsonon what is valuable mhm and this is why I think that one's going to have to inevitably choose and it'll always move back that way that all of this what you see before you right now with egalitarianism this will all reset

Andrew Wilsoneventually and it'll just go back to primitivism Mid will be in charge anyway Andrew you're G to get canceled if you're talking like that Andrew you know you got to be careful you're going to

Andrew Wilsonget canceled my friend um I don't think so I think I don't I don't I've never actually F you know who knows this better than anybody feminist theorists know this better than anybody else

Andrew Wilsonfeminists are the ones who came up with Force Doctrine I just borrowed it from them they were the ones who understood that men at any time collectively could take charge and there was very little

Andrew Wilsonwomen could do feminists theorized all of this they knew all of this years and years before I was ever born hundreds of years before I was born in fact uh

Andrew Wilsonalmost 200 years before in fact it's their own writings that I go off of they insisted the feminists insisted that women have the right to vote but

Andrew Wilsonwhen it came to women voting for the right to vote they wouldn't let them do it because every time women had the opportunity to vote on their own voting rights they voted against

Brian Atlasit every single time I do have to move things on we've been on this for a bit but we do have one the video and then a couple reactions uh Austin we'll do the video first

Brian Atlasthe the the the video I sent you private chat

Brian Atlasokay it's just the one we reacted to I think last week wait wait stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop can you can you show us please

Austin (crew)yeah uh okay all right yeah away with everything under the last boss and it wasn't good for me

Austin (crew)at all so I want guidance I want leadership but don't just like boss me

Austin (crew)around you know like Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood to be

Brian Atlasled does that resonate with with any of you so you want I mean he's talking in the workplace but like this is what I see when women say they want a masculine

Brian Atlasman dominant man a man who's a leader who has leadership characteristics who takes initiative you want all these traits but

Brian Atlasyou want to pick and choose you want the man to be able to turn that on with a light switch you only want him to be a leader in some context in other context

Rachelyou want him to be a good submissive boy Pat him on the head good boy it's just interesting yeah I mean I don't I don't think anything is Black or

RachelWhite generally you know things very nuanced well it's true like you I mean if you want to talk about things like that relationship like it it just isn't it isn't it's like no but it's not it's two hum they're very complex no it

Racheldoesn't have to be just one way or just the other way like you have two people it's very complex and first of all I think that like you have masculinity and like feminine femininity let's say and everyone's kind of like there on the kind of right so everyone's got to find

Brian Atlassomeone that's like complimentary to them no but like you if you ask most women like they want a guy to take the lead to take charge yeah in the dating context you want the guy to make pretty

Brian Atlasmuch all the moves like I do agree that women are contradictory I I agree with that I I know what you you oh uh like you see these memes like I want a guy who's gon

Brian Atlasto say be ready at 7 p.m I'm gon to pick you up we're going here y'all want that but then you also kind of don't want like it's they're totally mixed signals

Brian Atlasand then also you say you want a leader but like you don't want to follow is the big thing in order for somebody to be able to lead if you want a man who's a

Brian Atlasleader yeah you got to be a follower there is no we can't both be the leader you don't think you can sometimes be sometimes not be you don't think it can

Brian Atlaskind of like move around you can you can but if you want the man to be a leader I don't really think you can if that's what you want yeah if that's what you like yeah there can be some Dynamics

Rachellike that but if you want broadly speaking and I think women broadly speaking want men to be leaders yeah what you're saying is like they're contradictory with themselves the thing

Brian Atlasyou yeah like on a sort of biological evolutionary level you're attracted to men who are leaders who are confident who take initiative who are masculine

Brian Atlaswho are dominant who have those leadership traits but feminism has put it into your mind not to be a follower so you won't be submissive you won't follow his lead

Brian Atlasbut you want him to be a leader you want him to take the initiative you want him to lead but you won't follow be the leader but I won't follow you mhm doesn't make sense that doesn't work some if you want a leader somebody's got

Rachelto be the follower and I can't lead with somebody who won't follow yeah but it doesn't mean that you you can't you must not have an opinion sometime it doesn't mean that

Rachelyou must not have an opinion like you're still in a relationship right like I understand your Synergy of like followers and and and leader but in any leader follower you still have you're still going to have discussions you're

Brian Atlasstill going to just earlier you said no well that's just weird that's just not being humans if I if I'm hold on if I'm the CEO if I'm the if I'm the CEO of a

Rachelcorporation yeah and I give a task to an employee yeah it's not the the the employee should not be like so that's how you want your woman to be your CEO

Brian Atlasand you just no I'm I'm using I'm using an analogy to better articulate a point um so my no not a not an employee but uh

Brian Atlasyeah yeah you're using the analogy because if she wants me to pay for the first date and do all this and be a leader and she never approaches guys she wants she wants to be approached she

Brian Atlaswants me to take the lead in every realm she wants me to plan dates everything then yeah then yeah she must not have an opinion then you should probably listen

Brian Atlasto what I say if you want ladies if you want to start sliding into my DMs and hitting me up and paying for first dates and doing all this and moving

Brian Atlasthings forward physically and sexually then we can have a conversation about who should listen and who should be a follower who should be a leader I don't I I don't see how that

Rachelequates to to like not having an opinion not not like you can have an opinion yeah that's what I mean like even earlier you said like someone that doesn't quarrel it's

Rachellike that's not a relationship you're going to have quarrels I'm not saying you always there's always going to be discussions you're always going to have like two humans yeah no there should be no quarreling well whatever you want to

Rachelcall it but like you're never going to to want someone who's always going to agree with you first of all I would want to be challenged personally I would want my ideas to be challenged I wouldn't

Rachelwant my boyfriend to want to be challenged so that we can like find because for me okay what what I know we're different though men and women are different they are they are yeah

Brian Atlasso but you got no but you are but let mean if you talk about men let's say wait wait I got to respond to the you want to be challenged in a relationship

Brian AtlasI don't most men we contend with the world in our lives right the home has to

Brian Atlasbe our peace right yeah if the home is not our recluse if the home is not our peace and you're quarreling and nagging

Racheland just constant constant conflict because you're challenging us that's not a good girlfriend that's not a good wife no I well that's the thing that's not a good boyfriend either

Racheland get that cuz my ex was kind of like that but I'm saying like you you're going to bump heads Heads sometimes you're not going to you know like I'm just saying it's going to

Rachelhappen but there's a difference between that and like yeah always like creating problems always creating conflicts I get that but that's for everybody nobody wants to be in a relation like you know you don't want a guy like that you don't

Rachelwant a girl like that either okay that's just the given but you like to just want to someone to constant agree with you it's like when you

Rachelwant you you don't want to you don't want to know if you're wrong about something or maybe you have to think something through a bit like further or like maybe there are other options or

Andrew Wilsonmaybe I will listen perhaps perhaps if you don't mind I would I would like to just ask you two two very simple questions the first is you yourself

Andrew Wilsonpersonally would you prefer to have a man who treated you more like an equal or who treated you more like he was in the dominant role and you were to be a submissive follower which would you

Rachelpersonally prefer there's no wrong answer yeah I'm not even 100% sure because I haven't had a lot of relationships and I've had bad ones so I and I'm being honest it's not that I I

Andrew Wilsondon't want to answer I'm just not sure what the Synergy I would want to be in okay let me ask you the second let me ask you the second question as I understand you answered to the first that you're not sure mhm do you think

Andrew Wilsonthat most men would prefer their women to be in a submissive position or a dominant one no submissive but again I think what I'm arguing yeah right hang on hang on hang on I agree I agree that

Andrew WilsonI think most men would prefer their women in a submissive role and you agree with me that most would men would prefer their woman in a submissive role I think so yeah if that is true then if you look

Andrew Wilsonfor an equal role where you say okay wait a second we're equals it's not submission don't don't you necessarily narrow the field of of men for yourself

Andrew Wilsonlike by an incredible amount right yeah POS possibly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so when Brian says this it always sounds bad rolling off the

Andrew Wilsontime because we're so indoctrinated into egalitarianism we're all interchangeable widgets and everybody's equal to everybody else clearly though you have a bit of life experience you know that

Andrew Wilsonthat's not true um so so the question then becomes can't you value a person's opinion but at the same time dismiss it can't you say I value what you're saying but you're wrong and I'm going to do

Andrew Wilsonthis anyway because that's what's for the greater good of our family can't you value an opinion and dismiss an opinion if if like a message comes in there was something covering them up you

Brian Atlascan go to the split no you're good you're good go ahead Andrew go ahead wait what

Production crewdid something no he he heed out oh I don't know why

Andrew Wilsonoops can you guys hear me yeah we can't see you okay something sorry I was something happened yeah yeah I don't know I just lost all audio oh uh so I

Andrew Wilsonwas just my the end of my question is can't you at the same time you value opinion you value an opinion dismiss it yeah I I don't see the logic in dismiss missing an opinion that I value if I

Andrew Wilsonvalue your opinion I'm going to think about it I understand I value the opinion of my children mhm but I dismiss the opinions of them all the time right yeah yeah so I don't understand as grown

Andrew Wilsonups how is that how is that illogical well that's that's a completely different scenario you're talking about kids because kids are kids and because adults are adults wait wait wait hang on

Andrew Wilsonmy question to you was can you value an opinion oh okay and dismiss the opinion that you value you said no that's illogical but I just showed you how that's not illogical okay yeah but how

Racheldo you the way you value your kids opinion is like you know that kids are you know kids and they it's it's different than the valuing of like your your wife's opinion right we can agree

Andrew Wilsonwith that yeah but hang hang on hang on let's back up but your concept saying I'm not saying that a woman is a kid I was just giving you a a comparison a very quick comparison to show you how

Andrew Wilsonyou could value an opinion while at the same time dismissing it yes you say okay this is valuable but I outright dismiss it even though I care about your opinion it doesn't mean your opinion is going to

Andrew Wilsonbe correct right I don't see why that couldn't be applied in intersexual Dynamics between men and women of course it can be I guess yeah yeah so that's I

Andrew Wilsonmean that's what I'm saying is yeah so if we're if we're looking at this objectively when Brian says to you well wait I want a woman who's submissive you say most men want a woman who's submissive you say but I want an

Andrew Wilsonopinion Brian says well you should have an opinion but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to dismiss it I don't see what you're actually disagreeing with but I mean

RachelAl the I think it's the definition of value too like in the sense of like when I talk about the valuing the opinion of

Rachellike grownup adults it's like it's it's you value it because it's something that you can't actually like think about and like and again it

Racheldepends on situations but like kids generally like young kids it's like they're you don't value it in something that can be well sometimes yeah it could be tangible but anyways yes your concept

RachelI get your concept and yes you can dismiss yeah yeah so you value an opinion I I I get completely value an opinion and dismiss

Andrew Wilsonatue it what I think happens and this just opinion but I think we have a lot ofering where uh especially under

Andrew Wilsonegalitarianism we think a lot about the slogans of like but my opinion matters it's like yeah I think your opinion does matter but that doesn't mean that it's going to matter in every situation or

Andrew Wilsonthat it shouldn't be dismissed and dismissed often because here's the thing you and I both know you you're you're 39 you're not particular particularly young right A lot of people have a lot of opinions that are stupid right

Andrew Wilsonlike isn't that true they just have a lot of really dumb opinions yeah of course yeah so I mean and and don't you dismiss those opinions all the time it's just being stupid yeah but I think we

Rachellike this conversation goes back to our earlier conversation was like but then we assume that like cuz you're a man then it's better I think that's where well then I'm going to ask you a couple

Andrew Wilsonother questions just to kind of figure this out right and see where this leads would you say if you had to make the comparison if you were on the spot right gun to your head which sex do you think

Andrew Wilsonis more logical and reasonable men or women yeah probably men okay well then by this so so then an entailment hang on so then an entailment there if you think

Andrew Wilsonthat men are more logical and reasonable and you think that that is so uh then why would my position of you should probably follow the logic and the

Andrew Wilsonreason uh be in any way disputed it seems it seems totally rational to me right well first of all I just don't think all men are logical and I'm not saying all no I know you're not I know

Andrew Wilsonyou're not yeah nor am I saying that all women are not logical and rational yeah men generally are more logical than women but I and also I don't think would you rather have a leader who is more logical and

Andrew Wilsonrational or more emotional yeah of course logical rational yeah men are more logical and rational you need you'd rather have a leader who is more logical and rational and you think that men would prefer a submissive wife and you

Andrew Wilsonwould prefer a leader that it stands to reason to me that you would want the man to lead right sure I just my point is just I the

Rachelway sometimes you talk about or men talk about it it's as or like yeah it's as if like we we shouldn't say anything like it's it's just it's improbable to just

Andrew Wilsonbe within another human and just expect them to just never say anything never get into conflict never like cuz that I think that that's I understand what you're saying and to Steel Manet and you can correct me if I'm wrong what you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying is you hear a lot of rhetoric from different uh different places which say okay we're going to just utilize women as objects or opinions don't matter and they need to just do what the they're told at all times day and

Rachelnight right something akin to that yeah if you go to the extreme basically of like what what we what are what women hear I think and I think that's the big push back you know who they hear

Andrew Wilsonthat from they hear that from women they hear that feminist they hear it from feminist propagandist men don't say that they don't say we hate women's opinion or we hate women and we want them to all

Andrew Wilsonbe in abusive they don't say that what they say instead is this is the role that I want the role that I want for you I don't really hear women or men ever producing the rhetoric that women's

TTS/Chatopinions don't matter rather I hear feminist women claim that that's what men say but I don't really hear men saying it warlord 69 you w donated

TTS/Chat$99 Ryan 07 Andrew God bless you thank you for shining the light on everything that I used to be blind on question for the panel what is the first thing you

Andrew Wilsonlook for when visiting a new hotel what what the what bed bugs can we agree bed bug I mean bedg hang on hang on bri

Andrew Wilsonwait wait wait okay hang on I got to turn this into something now okay Brian you have OCD right yeah do you take a black light

Brian Atlaswith you to hotels Brian no no but I bring I bring my own pillow no I travel with my own

Brian Atlaspillow not you know maybe you got me thinking maybe I got to bring my own cheats and but that's a lot uh and I will flip the mattress just a check for bed bugs you know

Brian Atlasthat's smart though 200 IQ yeah that's smart that's smart risk mitigation mitigating the risk what are

Andrew Wilsonyou doing gang signs over there what the you doing yeah all right throwing up something I don't know well yeah in any case I appreciated the convo I thought it was a it was a good back

Brian Atlasand forth yeah thanks quick quick followup on this um if you had to pick one chivalry or

Andrew Wilsonequality chivery well you have to pick one yeah I think it's more Nuance than that but you have to listen if I have to

Andrew Wilsonpick the like huge lesbian pink hair lunatic in my genie wish you got to pick one of okay cuz egal egality doesn't work either I think both are like I I

Rachelwould say h i I think I think I would say chivalry I think I would say chivalry

Elbyme um go ahead go ahead just go ahead oh um that's a good

Elbyquestion I see the benefits of both but deep down I think chillery

Emmamhm equality equality

Andrew Wilsonequality now to the to the women who said that you would prefer equality I just wanted to kind of throw out what that would actually

Andrew Wilsonmean all female privilege is gone men are no longer approaching you for dates men no longer slide into the DMS men are no longer paying for the dates men are

Andrew Wilsonno longer paying for anything men expect to be treated the exact same way that they treat women they expect to be approached they expect all of this would

Brian Atlasthat change your value assessment at all not for me no didn't earlier you said you want

Brian Atlaschivalry but this is a question of this or sure so you want chivalry but not at the expense of equality yes I said I appreciate it okay interesting

Brian Atlasinteresting um so you guys would be in favor of for example uh women being drafted in the military if it comes down

Ireneto it I mean yeah mhm would you guys but so for me I personally do believe that men are physically stronger than women I'm able to acknowledge these

Irenedifferences between genders um however the question at hand was if I prefer this or that so I chose equality yeah I do you think that physical standpoint is something different yeah but that but

Andrew Wilsonhang on but hang on no no no you can't kind of can't kind of slide out there because you you're giving us a value judgment you're saying between these two things chivalry meaning that men are

Andrew Wilsongiving you all of the the Privileges that women get in society that men generally give you versus equality meaning all those privileges are gone but you can basically vote that's about all you get really you can just vote that's really all it is right there's

Andrew Wilsonthere's really nothing else I don't I don't really know what else there would be except you can just basically vote um so you get that but everything else is basically equalized including the

Andrew Wilsondraft including the draft like you would have to get drafted at the same rates as men fight in the front lines the same way as men if such a war came to pass World War III and you were drafted would

Andrew Wilsonyou go if that's my duty yeah yeah would you let him strap you up with armor and send you to the front line I mean yeah if I have to do something like that I'll do it

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)you know I how do you think you would perform versus men uh I mean like I said I think there's a different physical um capabilities for women and men they I do

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)still like she said acknowledge biology and understand that most women are so you would do worse huh so you would do worse than the men most likely if I'm not trained enough most likely you do

Andrew Wilsonworse than the men so isn't it doesn't it make more sense then if if men are supposed to be the fighting force and men are supposed to be people in those positions that you don't have to be in

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)those positions that they get additional privileges not you okay but you're only bringing an example of like War situation war zone situations and I understand that men

Andrew Wilsonwould the most important situation the military Poss be more important than Defending Your Nation against other nations I couldn't even think of if if I was on the hierarchy of scale of what a government is supposed

Andrew Wilsonto do the top priority is going to be the protection of its citizens right right of course yeah that's going to be that's going to be Warfare soldiers

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)Force right but do you but what I'm speaking about is that don't you think that for example like there's two different things there's an emotional and your just your intelligence and what

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)you're able to do in a Workforce or um versus physical capabilities so perhaps men are more optimal to fight and protect the country but there are all of other things that

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)women would be just as is if not more optimal to do in a normal Workforce yeah what I mean women are really intellectual hang on hang on let me copy

Andrew Wilsonout this other than reproduction what is a woman going to ever be better at in any of these markets than a man what if you're

Andrew Wilsonspeaking on generalities I I had that exact same question in fresh I'm pretty sure I mean I can't name you one but I think that you no so there's so there's not a single thing that women are going

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