WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?! | Dating Talk #202

Date: 2024-10-07

Duration: 7h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elby(guest)

SPEAKER_04Emma(guest)

SPEAKER_05Arina/Bianca (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_13Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Irene(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull guest introduction round: Arina, Rachel, Bianca, Elby, Emma, Morgan, Ana, Brian Atlas, Andrew Wilson.

“hi my name is Arina ... my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible”

OtherArina reveals she loyalty-tested a new boyfriend one week after he asked her to be his girlfriend. DMd 20 women from his following list; he agreed to fly them out. He broke up with her when he found out, citing health issues and family problems.

“I got to I got to ask ... I DM'd 20 girls from his following list”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7). Arina=8, next guests=6.5. Andrew Wilson jokes he is a 10. Discussion of whether women peak in attractiveness with age.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 you can't pick seven ... probably eight ... 6 and a half”

ControversyBOW video 2.0 shown. Brian asks if women would bow for their partner. Panel largely refuses. Andrew points out contradiction: women perform sexual acts for near-strangers but won't bow for a committed partner.

“boom huge bow huge bow ... the same woman that says I would never bow for a man will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Irene on whether tarot cards are compatible with Christianity, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27. Irene defends her practice as a personal spiritual gift and says she is still rediscovering her faith.

“Leviticus 1926 do not practice divination or seek Omens ... you're doing both divination and seeking omens”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women's suffrage destroyed the United States by shifting voting patterns toward security/risk-aversion over freedom. Claims men-only voting would have produced better outcomes.

“women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America”

OtherBrian mentions at end of show that a girl walked off during the stream; plans to post behind-the-scenes footage in Discord. Walkoff not captured clearly in main transcript — referenced only in closing segment.

“BTS maybe we'll post the BTS of that girl who walked off”

OtherBrian announces fundraiser for Mason, a former guest in a severe motorcycle accident with 10% survival odds. $3,400 raised via GiveSendGo; Brian personally donated $1,500.

“he was in a severe motorcycle accident ... 10% chance of survival ... we were able to raise $3,400”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: Arina (20, CSUF), Rachel (39, Vancouver server), Bianca (22, care provider), Elby (22, UCI pre-optometry), Emma (22, communications), Morgan (18, SBCC soccer), Ana (19, UCSB). Andrew Wilson introduced as co-host. Each guest shares relationship history.

Loyalty testing / Arina's boyfriend loyalty test story

Arina describes loyalty-testing a new boyfriend by DMing 20 women from his following list after one date. He failed by agreeing to fly girls out. Panel debates whether loyalty testing is justified. Andrew Wilson frames it as a crystal-ball thought experiment about foreknowledge.

Paternity tests and trust in relationships

Brian asks whether panelists would agree to a paternity test if requested by a husband. Majority say they would but would be hurt by the lack of trust.

Female submission and masculinity in relationships

Andrew Wilson argues optimal relationships have women deferring to men. Discussion of empathy, narcissism, masculinity. Andrew argues men are biologically designed for low empathy. Irene defends balance and Christian ethics of submission.

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Ratings extracted: Arina=8, Rachel/Bianca unclear, Elby ~6.5, Emma ~6.5, Morgan unknown. Brian passes. Andrew jokes he is a 10. Discussion follows about whether women get better-looking with age.

Aging / do women peak discussion

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10/20/30/40 years. Arina claims she will keep improving until death. Andrew and Brian rebut with the concept of aging market value. Discord members use an aging AI filter on two of the guests.

Romance declining / chivalry

Panel discusses whether romance and chivalry are declining. Consensus is yes; causes attributed to hookup culture, social media, feminism, and Trudeau (Rachel).

BOW Video 2.0 — would women bow for their man

Brian shows a viral 'BOW video' of a woman bowing when her boyfriend arrives. Panelists asked if they would bow. Most refuse. Irene (SPEAKER_14) refuses citing it is not her culture (uses bow for elders). Brian and Andrew point out the contradiction: women will perform sexual acts for near-strangers but refuse a bow for a committed partner.

Christian faith and tarot cards — Irene debate with Andrew

Andrew challenges Irene's claim of being Christian while practicing tarot cards, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27 (divination/necromancy). Irene argues she is still rediscovering her faith and believes she has a gift from God. Andrew argues she suffers from confirmation bias.

Women working vs. staying home / gender roles

Andrew argues most women would choose not to work given the option, and smart women should raise children rather than waste intelligence in corporate jobs. SPEAKER_13 (career-focused guest) pushes back, saying she wants to be a lawyer and always work.

Andrew Wilson debate: women's suffrage and voting patterns

Andrew argues women's suffrage destroyed the US by causing risk-averse voting patterns that impede freedoms. Claims men voting alone would have resulted in better outcomes.

Dating market hypergamy and internet's effect on dating

Andrew walks through hypergamy argument: internet opened global dating pool, women now compete for top 5-10% of men, men receive few DMs while women receive thousands. Both agree internet destroyed localized dating. DM count comparison around panel.

Body count discussion

Brian asks if men are insecure for caring about body count. Rachel says yes; others say no. Brief panel discussion on whether body count matters in relationships.

Closing segment: pickup lines, Discord aging photos reveal, final bow

Panel shares best pickup lines. Discord reveals AI-aged photos of two guests. Brian asks for final bow volunteers; one guest agrees. Brian mentions a fundraiser for 'Mason' (previous guest in a severe motorcycle accident, 10% survival chance, currently in hospital, $3,400 raised).

Transcript

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Brian Atlasviews expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the the whatever channel so with that said and without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so

Arina/Bianca (mixed)please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi my name is Arina and I'm 20 I'm from San Francisco but now I live in Orange County and I do

Brian Atlassocial media and I go to C Fullerton for business marketing you're doing your uh undergrad MH all right and your major is business marketing business marketing got it okay third year all right welcome

Rachelwhat about you hi I'm Rachel I am from Vancouver I'm 39 years old and I'm a server Vancouver Vancouver I'm from Montreal but I live in Vancouver oh like

Brian AtlasMontreal Montreal that that's in Quebec yeah Quebec it's like East so you're like a cuqua I'm a kqu when when your girl be but if you're guy

Brian Atlasmaybe yes maybe you're you're

Arina/Bianca (mixed)good itwa and you hi there I'm Bianca I'm 22 I'm from King City and I am a care provider for kids on the Spectrum all right uh school are you in school at

Rachelall or uh not right now not right now and did you say your occupation server server G okay bartender or used to be no I did kind of everything in the restaurant indust

Rachelbut I'm a server all right and then um any schooling college or uh yeah performing art I'm I make money serving but I'm a actress and musician and

Rachelsinger yeah did you go to school though like University I did Performing Arts I did nutrition school and I did uh photography school do you have I don't know if it's the equivalent in Canada

TTS/ChatBachelors were all sort no they were all like sort of private schools ohs S I am tting the customization you did

TTS/Chatfor me if it didn't work at what you said I am going to be upset also ladies feminists especially quit calling if you

Brian Atlasare going learn to be a chistian wife gotcha gotcha be and cheeks umh you know I I had the images but I actually had to get rid of all of them

Brian Atlasuh you can hide that just while he's gone um thank you B cheeks though for the TTS it's been a while man good to see you in the chat thank you so much for your uh TTS uh so you get the little uh that's a certain website that's your

Brian Atlassound until we can come up with some sort of other sound I had to get rid of the gifs or whatever but it's just images now um you were saying uh oh yeah schooling so they were they were all sort of like private

Rachelschools and like one year program where you except the photography school was college so there's a thing in Quebec it's kind of different you have like kind it's kind of a pre- univ University like years and sometimes you can do something specific or you can do like

Rachelcourses that are pre-university for whatever program you want but the photography school was itself a program okay everything all was just like a onee intensive thing what about you so hi

Elbyeverybody and hi live streamers uh my name is Elby um I am 22 years old I am currently an optician optometrist as my

Elbyoccupation and I go to school at UCI for biology op wait optometrist yeah optometrist assistant oh assistant yes cuz isn't an

Elbyoptometrist a medical doctor um I don't know if they're an MD but they're an OD correct yeah they are an OD so are you an OD um I am trying to get into school

Elbyfor like to become an OD but I'm currently just a college undergrad so I'm not an OD right now I just work with an automist I'm not an OP okay I see

Brian Atlasokay yeah may I maybe you had misspoke but you said you were optim op optician SL optometrist assistant oh okay did you

Brian Atlassay the assistant part yes you did yes Chad like at the fir like you clarified that you were an assistant but initially I don't think you left off the

Brian Atlasassistant I am an automet assistant than thank you appreciate the clarification there and you're studying what again in University bio bio got it what about you

Emmahi I'm Emma I'm 22 years old and I'm currently a student studying Communications all right welcome back thank you for being able to kind of fill

Brian Atlasin here last minute since we had a couple cancellations uh M dog I'm Morgan I'm 18 I go to Santa Barbara City

Brian AtlasCollege majoring in political science and she's also a star athlete yes soccer

Arina/Bianca (mixed)player okay never mind um ana um I'm Ana I'm 19 I go to UCSB and I'm studying biology and you

Brian Atlasalso are a He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer okay sorry that was cringe all right um my name is Brian Atlas I'm uh

Brian AtlasI'm 35 from Santa Barbara washed up over the hill has been YouTuber content

Andrew Wilsoncreator and uh yeah and stripper male stripper Andrew what about you yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's an

Brian Atlasentertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst political saturnist and I enjoy doing conversations and debates all right welcome everybody Welcome Andrew so we're going to go around the table once more what is

Brian Atlaseverybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situation ship Friends with Benefits relationship married polycule sex cult Harum whatever it may be 2024 uh if

Arina/Bianca (mixed)you're single how long have you been single what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead so I'm single and I've been single for a couple months now and my longest relationship

Brian Atlaswould be 4 years so like 3 months you think or you've been single I mean the whole summer so that's say and you said

Arina/Bianca (mixed)longest relationship four years mm four years who broke up with who uh it was more like Mutual because of long distance was that the one that ended 3 months ago no that was in high school

Arina/Bianca (mixed)when I was in San Francisco but I I moved to Orange County the one that ended 3 months ago how long was that relationship um only 6 months who broke

Arina/Bianca (mixed)up with who uh he broke up with me why because I

Arina/Bianca (mixed)was um he said that I was very like um clingy clingy okay yeah okay are you clingy was he

Brian Atlaswrong maybe were there specific things that he told you he didn't like um I guess it was more of

Arina/Bianca (mixed)like um it kind of like ended did it really fast I feel like cuz he didn't take any

Arina/Bianca (mixed)accountability or anything like that but for what for like his actions and stuff like that what so yeah what did he do

Arina/Bianca (mixed)so he would uh he would constantly like get mad at me and yell at yell at me in like public settings and stuff like that

Brian Atlasand he would blame me for it H and with me it's so what what was an example of a time he blamed you like what was what was he like what was his

Arina/Bianca (mixed)justification for the public yelling um let's see if I ever can remember um I feel like every little thing I have

Arina/Bianca (mixed)I do he would just like get really mad cuz he just had anger issues and um My love language is like quality time so so I love like spending quality time with him but he saw that as

Brian Atlasreally annoying so that's why he viewed it as clingy so you felt also you were you

Brian Atlaswere walking on eggshells a bit MH yeah because he was quick to anger yeah okay uh if there's one thing aside from being clingy is there

Brian Atlasanything else you did wrong in the relationship that you can point to that was the only thing okay the cleanest all right all right um so he

Brian Atlaswould like like people around would hear him yelling at you or like how crazy was the yelling um it was pretty bad I would

Arina/Bianca (mixed)say well in a public setting we were um at Disneyland and he would yell at me mhm and other things that I can't say um

Brian Atlaslike I can't I can't say it like hit you yeah in public yeah well I mean even if it was in private that would not be a

Brian Atlasgood thing I'm just clarification there but uh yikes okay um at Disneyland did like um Did Goofy come up and like

Arina/Bianca (mixed)him up or some or what um no but people were staring and I think they wanted to like help me but it was like at midnight so everybody was tired and just going home at that point wait so just to be clear there were it was still

Brian AtlasDisneyland there's still some people around but it was a lot of people it was lot of people a lot of people and he was smacking you around and nobody came to help or anything people were looking for

Brian Atlassure but no one hoped damn okay

Arina/Bianca (mixed)um did you smack him back at least no no smack back I don't I don't hit no never never well disavow disavow that behavior um damn sorry to sorry to hear that that's uh

Brian Atlaswould he yell at you in English or was it like a different language yeah English English was it white guy yeah is it white guy what's that thing the Oxford study what's everybody

Brian Atlastalking about yeah like guy I'm a victim of Oxford study oh boy okay oh yeah wait how do you know you know about that how do you know wait what is that what is that any I don't even know I just see

Arina/Bianca (mixed)the Tik toks um an Oxford study is like is it an actual study in like I think it is it is it's an actual study and they study in Oxford University I believe I

Brian Atlasdon't know but it's just about how like Asian girls and white dudes tend to date each other can you ask grock Austin can you

Brian Atlaspull up Gro and see just what is the Oxford study um okay damn Good Times by the way I heard before the show you two

Brian Atlaswere talking in a different language was it Philip was it t toal the okay your guys are Filipina half half oh half okay all

Brian Atlasright yeah let's uh let's see what grock has to say here make it a little bigger here what is yeah go ahead let's see what what that is all right what's Gro

Brian Atlasgoing to tell us hopefully it doesn't ver there isn't but

Brian Atlasrather make it bigger in the context of discussions about interracial relationships specifically between Asian women and white men users have pointed out that while there might be real research the

Brian Atlasway it's invoked online okay scroll down wait Co what scroll

Brian Atlasdown well that's not helpful okay all right Gro all right um good time so you're single now in any case you've

Brian Atlasbeen single for 3 months uh any rebounds or anything in the 3-month period your friend just gave you away by the way

Elbyum girl what do you know what do you know no it's it's it's her thing like um do I have permission you have permission

Elbywait what I I give you permission what are you going to say she's got permission I give you permission um she's just having fun right now that's all I'll say she she's having fun

Elbyum huh I just have to tell her and remind what uh what what what kind of

Elbyfun I swear um so when I mean like fun like she's just talking she's like in talking stages with guys but I just had to tell her like hey you got to be careful right uh I tell her countless

Elbymany times s cuz I am that one friend that always tells her to be careful but that's how much I care about her um there are guys I feel um that kind of

Elbytake advantage over her if she's not really being careful um especially if like they are implying that they want

Elbymore out of her then um she should be giving they want more out of her than she should be given for clarification when I mean like want more out of it I think they just want head

Andrew Wilsonwhat yeah the um like Brian I've been told that you um you've been grock blocked what what's that mean well I

Andrew Wilsonguess if you don't know what that means then you've been Gro blocked I've been grock blocked okay grock blocked yeah

Elbyso wait can you repeat that one more time like let's say we're at a party right

Elbyand um like situation wise and some gu is just chatting her up and it's pretty obvious that depending on his like like

Elbybody language and how he's trying to get close to her um asking her like hey like you want to go get Raising Canes or something after this um or like let's go out after like what are you what are you

Elbyplanning on doing after this party she'd be like yeah I'm down I'm I'm good I'm down um I I had to tell her like dude do not do not go one onone with the dude

Elbycuz there is a high chance of where that's going to lead to right um especially where's that where's that where does that lead to it could be

Elbyanywhere dude like sing the sing the D like is not what you said yeah like getting head or something like like receiving head from her or from like or like like doing more than that for

Brian Atlasinstance like like that's like the like that's like and so that's what you're trying to prevent yeah basically you want her to just go full home run like you don't want no I'm just telling her

Brian Atlasto be careful like with that sometimes like her eyes no like some my eyes or her hair what do you mean no sometimes of the head no cuz that shit's hard to

Elbylike you know if it gets in your hair like I'm just saying is that basically if she's oneon-one with a dude Anything

Elbycould happen and I just have to tell her to be careful or I try to tell her like I don't know if this is a good idea um if you are really moving forward to hang out with this guy like at least have some of her friends around so then that

Elbyway like he can't like either take advantage of you you barely know this dude right you you've just met him at a party and you're already like full s ready to just hang out with him

Brian Atlasafterwards just oneon-one so you've been

Elbyadvising her in a friend capacity MH not to S the D too soon yes is that my

Elbyunderstanding yes slop the D give head have sex whatever it is like just be careful that's what I pretty much advise

Brian Atlasher to do what when is an appropriate time to to do do that like how like not the first night like it should be like maybe

Elbythe second date or are you are you referring to um like going like second base third

Elbybase with like someone like um the the you know the sing the D it's

Elbylike oral sex right like like head um oral copulation or calculation

Elbymean um I would say fatio yeah fatio fatio um so I think a good time to do

Elbythat would probably getting to know the person um even more not even like after the third date I'm I'm I think I would say I'm a a little bit more traditional like I have to um or like this is what I

Elbywould also like want to help her out on doing cuz I feel like she tends to rush into things a lot and so I would say like a good time to uh probably do

Elbysomething like second base or third base would be once you like already committed you know um I'm not unless like you want to go for casual like that's like with

Elbylike with not within my realm basically like pretty much you do whatever you want but if you are trying to be serious with someone and you committing to your

Elbylike committing to them I'd say like sex should be like after commit like committing to a relationship okay all right um so I guess just to move things along kind of

Brian Atlasgo back really quick you've been single for three months are there any guys in the

Arina/Bianca (mixed)picture yeah yeah currently like you're seeing well hanging out with uh yes one

Brian Atlasjust one mhm just one are there other guys that you're talking to no no oh okay all right when's the last time you saw

Rachelhim a couple days ago okay all right what about you I am single been single for like a year and a few months I

Rachelthink and my longest relationship would be I'm not sure probably like around two years or two years two years yeah

Brian Atlassomething like that ever married no any kids no uh so longest relationship 2 years uh is that the one that ended a year ago no okay uh who broke up with

Brian Atlaswho in the two-year relationship uh I broke up with them and then the uh relationship a year ago who broke up with who I broke up with them

Rachelokay all right um why the last one the last how about the last one and the

Rachellongest one uh last one I was just um I feel like he was a little uh emotionally unregulated like he would just uh get

Rachelmad at things like he would just create problems basically out of nothing and I just never knew why and um I mean he was I think it was like

Rachelinsecurity and couldn't trust also because of ISX so I I get that but it was just just kind of like BL blowing up in my face a lot and I we're just getting to conflicts a lot for what I

Rachelfelt was no reason and I was just I was just like can't be in conflicts this many times and or like all the time basically and then I was like I can't

Rachelyeah it's just too intense to all the time okay what about you I'm single all right how long you been single for uh a long

Arina/Bianca (mixed)time um forever yeah okay never so never had a boyfriend no all right uh just like silly ones but like I don't I don't

Arina/Bianca (mixed)silly ones what do you mean can you move your mic this way yeah this way right here yeah yeah they weren't like they didn't last that long so I don't what's the longest period anything's

Brian Atlaslasted like a month or two months two months so two months is the longest you've been talking to a guy hooking up with a guy

Brian Atlasokay two months uh never boyfriend girlfriend title no well your online boyfriend doesn't count

Arina/Bianca (mixed)no no you met on Discord um I guess he did ask me out but I didn't like take it seriously like I

Arina/Bianca (mixed)didn't really like him so I don't know I just felt bad so I kind of just was like we parted ways you know Wait So when you say he asked you out he

Arina/Bianca (mixed)asked you to be his girlfriend yes but I said yes oh you said yes I said yes but you didn't like him like I did but I like I didn't like I did but

Arina/Bianca (mixed)what okay so you liked him I feel bad cuz yeah I don't know I guess he was nice and all but like he had like a micro physically like I didn't like him was it he was just nice oh yeah he was nice he wasn't mean enough to you like

Brian Atlasif he was mean to you then you would have dated him like all the other girls here no what sorry did I say that out loud my

Brian Atlasbad yeah but okay yeah um so but have you had

TTS/Chatlike Friends with Benefits no I did have like a situationship like two years ago but millionaire Bachelor donated

TTS/Chat$200 Andrew Wilson Kaa third baby daddies are you running from millionaire Bachelor I am your daddy now hi

TTS/ChatRachel just a troll me around the internet okay um so no friends with benefits have you had a

Brian Atlashookup I'm not saying anything well I mean it's a dating podcast I'm good I'm good I mean so are you you a virgin then I'm not saying anything is that a I mean you're on a

Arina/Bianca (mixed)dating podcast we talk about dating okay I not saying anything okay I mean okay so you're just going to refuse to

Brian Atlasanswer any questions that no I'll answer questions but I'm just not going to respond to the ones that I don't but without having an understanding of the scope of your relationship history I told you it's difficult for me to I told you I was in a situationship two years

Brian Atlasago okay but like did you guys hold hands yes huh yes right but like is that the

Brian Atlasextent of your relationship experience is handholding because I'm going to tailor questions hold on I'm going to tailor

Brian Atlasquestions to you based on my sense of your relationship experience so I mean if you're just refusing to answer a fairly basic

Brian Atlasquestion uh I mean how do I have a conversation with

Brian Atlasyou like we're all you're 22 right like we're all adults sex is a normal thing people have not a big deal nobody's judging you if you've had

Brian Atlassex if you're a virgin nobody's judging you

Brian Atlaseither so given my further explanation do you want to perhaps contribute to the conversation and answer the question

Brian Atlasno okay what are you willing to answer then

Ireneuh

Elbyum it seems anything but that

Brian Atlasyeah I

Brian Atlasmean am I am I off base here for having the expectation that the panelists engage in good faith conversation and answer the questions that I don't I don't think I'm not asking you for like

Brian Atlasspecific details about specific sexual acts but I mean I don't think we're in the 1800s here disclosing whether you've had sex before or not just I don't want

Brian Atlasto answer that's it that's pretty much it that's fine I'm you don't have to answer it but I'm just trying to explain to you my kind of uh

Brian Atlasuh all right um okay I'll see how this goes but all right what about you I'm single by the way Chad it means she's

Brian Atlasnot a virgin if she refuses to answer the question all right um you're single yeah all right how long you been single for for three months all right three

Brian Atlasmonths uh longest relationship two and a half years okay and the 2 and 1 half year relationship is that the one that ended 3 months ago

Brian Atlasno okay uh who broke up with who in the 2 and a half year relationship um my ex partner did okay and then the one that ended

Brian Atlasthree months ago who broke up with it um he did and then I was like okay all right uh you're so you've been single for three

Brian Atlasmonths any guys in the picture currently any rebounds no no rebounds nope rebounds not ready to mingle come on friend throw throw her under the bus not

Brian Atlasready to mingle and she knows that's true she doesn't like anyone okay all right

Elbyum all right are you on dating dating officer no ever been on the dating app I have um I have I had hinge for like 2

Emmaweeks and I hated it all right what about you single I've been single for believe 2 years my

Brian Atlaslongest relationship was about 2 years all right two years okay and uh the two-year one who who broke up with who

Arina/Bianca (mixed)uh technically him got it Morgan single all right how long you been single six months I longest relationship two and a half years all

Arina/Bianca (mixed)right Ana I have a boyfriend we've been together for four months and then my longest relationship before that was a

Andrew Wilsonyear all right cool uh Andrew what about you I'm happily married and have been for a long long time well over a decade

Brian Atlasokay cool all right thank you uh appreciate that so while we do I'm wondering let's save the bow video for a little bit later Austin but we have B

Brian Atlasversion 2.0 I'm going to just jump right into the pre-show notes here that we

Brian Atlashave so let's see we have Where Do We Begin why not excuse me uh why I don't

Brian Atlasum we'll start with Irene Irene right Arina oh no okay hold on she's okay sorry I forgot my notes arene there's a there's an Irene that's

Brian Atlassupposedly coming uh you said your friends and I have crazy stories uh perhaps I'll give you one and then you can give me another some point later but you said you went on a date

Brian Atlaswith an influencer that was love bombing you and said he wanted your babies and to marry marry

Brian Atlasyou uh he asked you to be his girlfriend on text can you give us a bit of a kind of a elaboration a little bit on this

Arina/Bianca (mixed)story okay so he is more of an actor I would say um I don't know if I can say which Netflix series it

Arina/Bianca (mixed)is I don't know if I can say that yeah I I want to know you want to know okay uh it's pretty popular so you can guess squid there's a ton of them not

Arina/Bianca (mixed)not squid Jeffrey dmer they all have Koreans in there not not Jeffrey dmer she play the Oxford study oh oh yeah so think of Oxford study Netflix series and

Andrew Wilsonoh wait long Castlevania nope H H I don't know what uh you want to tell

Brian Atlasus Outer Banks I have no idea who any actor from that yeah no clue what Netflix series is that who the is that

Brian Atlasguy um I never watched it before but he said he was from Outer Banks like an extra who got paid like 200 bucks for no idea noidea uh so but you went on and

Brian Atlashe's an influencer too so he's not just an actor he like does YouTube or some like Tik talk dances like he's like a model as well he's just in that

Brian Atlasindustry I have no idea okay and so he asked you to be his girlfriend over text yeah but so did you guys go on a

Brian Atlasdate we only went on one date I only saw him once hm okay and then after the date is this when he started the love bombing and told you he wanted babies and to

Brian Atlasmarry you on the first date he said this he said all of this yeah okay and in your notes you also say you had a gut feel feeling about something so you went

Arina/Bianca (mixed)through his following list and you did what um so I went through his following list and I DMD 20 girls from his

Arina/Bianca (mixed)following list um to test his loyalty and I came to find out that he failed well hold on now we need to

Brian Atlasclarify a couple things so you went on just one date with him one date just one and then it was after the date that you did the Loyalty test I did a loyalty test because after the date correct

Brian Atlasafter date okay um and how long had you guys been actually talking though like how did you guys meet he dm'd me on Instagram cuz he saw one of my reals he

Brian Atlasslid into your DMs I see okay and so let's see um and then how soon after the first date did you do this loyalty

Brian Atlastest I believe within two weeks a week and a half okay and so he asked he was love love bombing you he asked you to be

Andrew Wilsonhis girlfriend did you say yes yes I did okay and then what what was the nature of this loyalty test I

Arina/Bianca (mixed)got to I got to ask um I just had a gut feeling that he was definitely talking to other girls because during the first date he was on his phone most of the

Arina/Bianca (mixed)date and I thought it was because of work cuz he's like actor or model so I thought he was on his phone for work purposes but I was wrong he was texting

Brian Atlasother girls on the first date mhm while being with me and so you DM 20 girls like so were these girls you knew

Arina/Bianca (mixed)or that oh no it was his following list his following list so they were following him and then what was the Mage you met you dm'd him I was like hey girl

Arina/Bianca (mixed)can you please uh test my boyfriend I just have a good feeling that he's talking to other girls and I would have really appreciate it and they and and

Arina/Bianca (mixed)some of them actually answered and did the Loyalty test and I what was the nature of this test it was if it was like a pass or fail and I knew he was going to fail so I just

Andrew Wilsonneeded Pro yeah but what what was it though like were they sending him nudes were they tell telling you like what what what were they actually doing tell your mic down a bit please oh uh just

Arina/Bianca (mixed)til oh til sure okay uh so he they they were just flirting with him in the DMS H okay so they didn't they didn't

Andrew Wilsonmake an arrangement to meet up nothing like that no it was all just flirting all just flirting can you tilt your mic down and are we talking about flirting like hey I think you're really cute that kind of

Arina/Bianca (mixed)thing or are we talking like what kind of what kind of flirting we talking about here M like uh I really want to see you and

Arina/Bianca (mixed)these girls are from like out of state so he said that he would fly them out to LA to see them and meet up with them

Arina/Bianca (mixed)H cuz if I haven't done this I would have never known and I would still continue being with him M so I if I felt like I needed to do that cuz no and no one was going to tell me so I had to

Brian Atlasfind out myself you said that he called you and you knew that he had dm' those girls and then he broke up with you because he

Brian Atlassaid after what you H what you have done and who you messaged I can't be with you I have health issues and family problems so yeah but I'm talking to someone so I

Brian Atlaswant some space um h interesting now I want to go around the panel on this because I've heard about these things these loyalty tests

Brian Atlasalthough typically you don't hear them being done within two two weeks of meeting somebody granted he it's complicated because he did ask you to be

Brian Atlasthe girlfriend so I suppose there's some expectation well did he say he was going to be monogamous yes perhaps that's implied I

Brian Atlasdon't know but um I would say that that that's implied like I don't see who would not understand this as imp even if there wasn't an overt conversation about exclusivity or

Brian Atlasmonogamy if there's a boyfriend girlfriend conversation to clarify though he did in fact say I want you to be my girlfriend and you said yes yes

Brian Atlasokay had you guys hooked up no did they hook up no no okay all right

Brian Atlasso um it is complicated though in so far as you went on one date he moved things

Brian Atlasalong very quickly um but I suppose there was an expectation of loyalty um do you think he was trying to make you his girlfriend in furtherance of

Arina/Bianca (mixed)trying to sleep with you as fast as possible he said that he wanted a stay-at home mom that doesn't really answer my

Brian Atlasquestion though so do you think he was um trying to move things on really quick hey first date I want you to be my girlfriend uh so that he could hook up

Arina/Bianca (mixed)with you quicker no I don't believe so I think he the reason why he did that was because he's like he he just he wants to

Brian Atlassettle down so he's kind of like moving things kind of quickly H okay opening this up to the panel is it acceptable to

Brian Atlastest your partner well start with you I'm assuming the answer is yes but I'd like to hear some reasoning

Arina/Bianca (mixed)um I personally did that because I felt like I had no other choice and there was like no other like

Arina/Bianca (mixed)way for me to find out and I feel like with my like gut feeling I would always like my good feelings is always right so I just went through with it but I know some people probably think that's wron

Rachelmhm have you done a loyalty test before no it was just with him just with him okay what about you your thoughts is testing your partner acceptable no I mean like logically speaking if I want to be with that person it's because I

Racheltrust that person so if I already have that feeling I I don't see that being coherent you know what I mean wanting to be with some and that whole story it's a little czy crazy like one day is nothing

Racheland then he wants to a stayathome mom and it takes you one day online to figure this out th I mean this guy doesn't want to settle like I mean

Rachellet's let's be real he this guy doesn't want to settle down in my opinion this guy is just playing sorry that's my Maybe I'm Wrong Maybe I'm Wrong can you

Rachelknow but that's yeah I don't see but do you think Justified to I don't think it's ever Justified no I think it's

Brian Atlasweird like I would never do that do what the loyal test like just testing people yeah or testing for like no I don't think there's justification for it kind

Arina/Bianca (mixed)of ever can I add on to that well let's get all the panel's answers but yeah you can add on I agree with her either like he likes you and like you don't have to worry about it or he doesn't like either

Arina/Bianca (mixed)he does or doesn't like he likes you and like you don't need to like you he'll show it to you like he likes you and he's interested and I don't think there's a reason for him to like um you know there's no reason for you to be

Elbylike testing um if he really likes you like his loyalty towards you that makes sense M okay it's either yes or no like I see the reasoning why you did that

Elbybecause there were signs that were based on your gut um intuition that his mind was elsewhere so I understand why you

Elbywould do that but at the same time usually when people pull loyalty tests when it's really not necessary um it really shows deep down

Elbyyou did not trust that person and your partner could definitely be offended by that um doing loyalty tests without actual proper communication of like

Elbyexpressing your let's say your um insecurities or anxieties about certain things or not not getting claric a on like acts and stuff like that um already

Elbyleads to like a downhill towards a relationship so um it's not really as justifiable as a lot of people would think to do have you ever done a test like this no have you done a test like

Brian Atlasthis done a test like this test like this test like this test like this um you mentioned that there were

Brian Atlassigns that led her to believe that he was potentially not serious or whatever and these signs were that he was like on his phone or whatever um you guys are

Brian Atlasnever on your phone at all on a when you're around a guy ever never so your your phone is always you don't check it once when you're with your boyfriend you're never on your phone in front of

Brian Atlasyour your boyfriend you've never checked your phone oh definitely yes well that's cheating or I I have susp now I have suspicion of you cheating now you've just given me justification

Elbybecause you looked at your phone for 5 minutes while we were hanging out uh I now have justification to test you is that fair no it really depends on hold on depends on what depends on the

Brian Atlassituation so see I wasn't really there so she could fully explain to you like what the interaction probably like fully explain to us what he was doing besides just being on his

Arina/Bianca (mixed)phone so I would ask him questions you know like first dat questions like oh like where do you work what do you do what do you like your hobbies and with with me asking him those questions he would just be on his phone he's like

Arina/Bianca (mixed)wait what can you repeat that again cuz he's like texting other girls on our first date and I didn't know he was texting other girls I realized that um when I tested him and I did ask him are you are you like talking to other girls

Brian Atlasand he said no so he did lie to me were you talking to other guys nope okay interesting um I believe that I believe you that he

Brian Atlaswas probably texting other girls he was probably not serious about what he said he was probably playing you whatever um

Brian Atlasbut I do Wonder cuz you you mentioned the word signs right if there's signs that would be pretext or justification to do a loyalty test or some sort of

Elbytest um I can see why she would do it but I'm not saying it's like it's entirely right to to do so we're going to ask

Brian Atlasgrock not yet but in in just a moment what what AI thinks about doing uh like testing your partner but going back to

Brian Atlasthe signs thing really quick um if do you think it would be justification for example if you were like dating a girl and she posted a bikini photo that that

Brian Atlaswould be enough justification for you to do a uh loyalty test on her

Brian Atlasor if she like went out to parties and dressed revealing would that be no that's not enough justification I mean again when it comes

Elbyto relationships it's really a matter of trust I believe um let's say cuz

Elbyum I do see this from time to time um where my friends would tell me like hey um I don't know if my man's

Elbycheating on me and I was like okay like just tell me what is or like it's obvious like he's clearly putting interest in something else which happens to be his phone when you're in a restaurant

Elbysitting down right you want to give your full attention to like the person you're with you want to be in the moment be with your partner they're looking you know smiling you would be like asking oh like

Elbywhat's up you know like what what what's got you smiling and if they're not willing to like obviously like either just goes like Oh I'm just talking to my friend I'm like okay cool but you're

Elbylike oh no it's nothing it's nothing then I'm like okay like why is it not something that's like open to share you know it could be like a cat video or anything or it could be something funny

Elbyum but if it's like something like you're like vly against of like disclosing then I'm like okay like um it it has to be like more than instance I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve for sure uh Andrew any thoughts on these sorts of tests and relationship yeah I wanted I did want to dive into it

Andrew Wilsona little bit with you um let us assume for a minute that you had a crystal ball that could tell the future and you knew that if you DMD all of those women they would respond and he

Andrew Wilsonwould then fly them out and do all of this but had you done nothing he would have stayed with you the the rest of your life and never gone with another woman just knowing that if the

Andrew Wilsonopportunity presented itself at least in the beginning of the relationship would you still have not gone with the

Elbyguy is this a question open to everybody on the panel no I'm asking her

Arina/Bianca (mixed)so with the crystal ball I I already knew that he was doing that correct correct so well you knew that if you had dm'd all these women that he would fly

Andrew Wilsonthem out and this kind of thing but you also knew that if you never did DM any of those women that he would be with you for the rest of your life and there would be no problems because those opportunities did not present themselves

Andrew Wilsonwould you still stay with them and never have DM those women or is it just the knowledge that he would do it

Arina/Bianca (mixed)enough I felt like I guess I never trusted him so I wouldn't I still wouldn't be with him regardless cuz Okay yeah I still wouldn't be him all right

Andrew Wilsonthanks I appreciate it do do you have more Andrew or I mean not really I'm just figure out when we're talking about testing like I understand the concept of it

Andrew Wilsonyou're trying to set the other person up to see what they'll do this type of thing um but it also it also adds opportunities that they would not normally have in interest from women

Andrew Wilsonthey or other people they would not normally have and so I I just kind of Wonder is it just the idea that they would do that or if you never tested them and they

Andrew Wilsonstayed um you know and gave even gave you a good life for this type of thing it's just the for knowledge of knowing that enough it's just knowing that they would have done that enough H Let's uh go to

Brian AtlasGro really quick let's just see what Gro says and then we'll get the next thing going yep go ahead all right the concept of testing a partner in a relationship can be quite nuanced depending on the methods and

Brian Atlasintentions behind the test here's a balanced perspective sometimes small ethical tests can reveal how a partner might handle certain situations like honesty or loyalty

Brian Atlasuh observing how they react to a situation where they could easily lie or cheat but choosing not to can be telling of their character some tests are more about creating scenarios where communication is encouraged for example

Brian Atlasdiscussing hypothetical situations cons of testing let's scroll down a bit uh regularly testing a partner can erode trust if the partner finds out they're being tested it might lead to feelings of betrayal or manipulation which can

Brian Atlasdamage the relationship's Foundation manipulative Behavior intentionally setting up scenarios to trick or trap someone can be manipulative healthy relationships are based on trust not on constant vigilance or proving one's

Brian Atlasworth insecurity frequently frequent testing might reflect one's insecurities rather than any actual problem with the partner's Behavior Uh this can lead to a toxic cycle where no amount of testing

Brian Atlaswill ever reassure the tester so uh I do actually have a couple follow-ups on this here so um would you guys would you guys be

Brian Atlasupset or would you be upset since you did the loyal loyalty test if you got loyalty tested and you passed but you found out that you got

Arina/Bianca (mixed)tested I always advocate for like healthy communication beforehand and with with with him I did ask him like are you talking to any girls do you like

Arina/Bianca (mixed)any girls and he said no but I didn't believe him so for me is if I did if I told him the truth about me not talking

Brian Atlasto other guys then I guess it really depends if I lie to him or not okay I have uh well do what do you H I don't know if this uh maybe Andrew can let me

Brian Atlasknow if he what he thinks about this argument but would any of you object let's say you were married to a guy and he wanted to uh you had kids with him

Brian Atlasand he wanted absolute certainty that the kids were heads uh would you he asked you for a paternity test so this is your husband you guys been dating for

Brian Atlasyears you got kids together maybe you're married whatever would you be offended if he asked you for a paternity

Arina/Bianca (mixed)test I would say yes because it shows that he doesn't trust me cuz I feel like at that stage of marriage it's like um if you don't trust me then you shouldn't

Rachelbe with me yeah yeah I'd be offended and I think it would break something for sure I'm not saying I wouldn't do it but um that I think that would mean there's a there

Rachelare other issues like there's something to talk about but so would you refuse the paternity test no I said I I'm not sure I would refuse it you know but I think it would break something because it the trust is would you refuse it I

Brian Atlaswould do it you show proof but it would destroy your trust right yes okay would you do a paternity test I would but I would be upset that he doesn't trust me

Elbyyou'd be upset okay what about you yeah I do it would you be upset at all honestly think about it not really um just because uh at that stage I know

Elbylike um if I know my partner while and he's like a little bit anxious as a person I'm just like okay you know what just to give you a peace of mind um here we'll we'll do it m and then if you know

Elbyhe gets his answer and he's like oh thank the Lords and I'm like okay like you just wasted money and time just to do this test but whatever like move on okay your

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