WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?! | Dating Talk #202

Date: 2024-10-07

Duration: 7h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elby(guest)

SPEAKER_04Emma(guest)

SPEAKER_05Arina/Bianca (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_13Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Irene(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull guest introduction round: Arina, Rachel, Bianca, Elby, Emma, Morgan, Ana, Brian Atlas, Andrew Wilson.

“hi my name is Arina ... my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible”

OtherArina reveals she loyalty-tested a new boyfriend one week after he asked her to be his girlfriend. DMd 20 women from his following list; he agreed to fly them out. He broke up with her when he found out, citing health issues and family problems.

“I got to I got to ask ... I DM'd 20 girls from his following list”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7). Arina=8, next guests=6.5. Andrew Wilson jokes he is a 10. Discussion of whether women peak in attractiveness with age.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 you can't pick seven ... probably eight ... 6 and a half”

ControversyBOW video 2.0 shown. Brian asks if women would bow for their partner. Panel largely refuses. Andrew points out contradiction: women perform sexual acts for near-strangers but won't bow for a committed partner.

“boom huge bow huge bow ... the same woman that says I would never bow for a man will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Irene on whether tarot cards are compatible with Christianity, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27. Irene defends her practice as a personal spiritual gift and says she is still rediscovering her faith.

“Leviticus 1926 do not practice divination or seek Omens ... you're doing both divination and seeking omens”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women's suffrage destroyed the United States by shifting voting patterns toward security/risk-aversion over freedom. Claims men-only voting would have produced better outcomes.

“women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America”

OtherBrian mentions at end of show that a girl walked off during the stream; plans to post behind-the-scenes footage in Discord. Walkoff not captured clearly in main transcript — referenced only in closing segment.

“BTS maybe we'll post the BTS of that girl who walked off”

OtherBrian announces fundraiser for Mason, a former guest in a severe motorcycle accident with 10% survival odds. $3,400 raised via GiveSendGo; Brian personally donated $1,500.

“he was in a severe motorcycle accident ... 10% chance of survival ... we were able to raise $3,400”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: Arina (20, CSUF), Rachel (39, Vancouver server), Bianca (22, care provider), Elby (22, UCI pre-optometry), Emma (22, communications), Morgan (18, SBCC soccer), Ana (19, UCSB). Andrew Wilson introduced as co-host. Each guest shares relationship history.

Loyalty testing / Arina's boyfriend loyalty test story

Arina describes loyalty-testing a new boyfriend by DMing 20 women from his following list after one date. He failed by agreeing to fly girls out. Panel debates whether loyalty testing is justified. Andrew Wilson frames it as a crystal-ball thought experiment about foreknowledge.

Paternity tests and trust in relationships

Brian asks whether panelists would agree to a paternity test if requested by a husband. Majority say they would but would be hurt by the lack of trust.

Female submission and masculinity in relationships

Andrew Wilson argues optimal relationships have women deferring to men. Discussion of empathy, narcissism, masculinity. Andrew argues men are biologically designed for low empathy. Irene defends balance and Christian ethics of submission.

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Ratings extracted: Arina=8, Rachel/Bianca unclear, Elby ~6.5, Emma ~6.5, Morgan unknown. Brian passes. Andrew jokes he is a 10. Discussion follows about whether women get better-looking with age.

Aging / do women peak discussion

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10/20/30/40 years. Arina claims she will keep improving until death. Andrew and Brian rebut with the concept of aging market value. Discord members use an aging AI filter on two of the guests.

Romance declining / chivalry

Panel discusses whether romance and chivalry are declining. Consensus is yes; causes attributed to hookup culture, social media, feminism, and Trudeau (Rachel).

BOW Video 2.0 — would women bow for their man

Brian shows a viral 'BOW video' of a woman bowing when her boyfriend arrives. Panelists asked if they would bow. Most refuse. Irene (SPEAKER_14) refuses citing it is not her culture (uses bow for elders). Brian and Andrew point out the contradiction: women will perform sexual acts for near-strangers but refuse a bow for a committed partner.

Christian faith and tarot cards — Irene debate with Andrew

Andrew challenges Irene's claim of being Christian while practicing tarot cards, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27 (divination/necromancy). Irene argues she is still rediscovering her faith and believes she has a gift from God. Andrew argues she suffers from confirmation bias.

Women working vs. staying home / gender roles

Andrew argues most women would choose not to work given the option, and smart women should raise children rather than waste intelligence in corporate jobs. SPEAKER_13 (career-focused guest) pushes back, saying she wants to be a lawyer and always work.

Andrew Wilson debate: women's suffrage and voting patterns

Andrew argues women's suffrage destroyed the US by causing risk-averse voting patterns that impede freedoms. Claims men voting alone would have resulted in better outcomes.

Dating market hypergamy and internet's effect on dating

Andrew walks through hypergamy argument: internet opened global dating pool, women now compete for top 5-10% of men, men receive few DMs while women receive thousands. Both agree internet destroyed localized dating. DM count comparison around panel.

Body count discussion

Brian asks if men are insecure for caring about body count. Rachel says yes; others say no. Brief panel discussion on whether body count matters in relationships.

Closing segment: pickup lines, Discord aging photos reveal, final bow

Panel shares best pickup lines. Discord reveals AI-aged photos of two guests. Brian asks for final bow volunteers; one guest agrees. Brian mentions a fundraiser for 'Mason' (previous guest in a severe motorcycle accident, 10% survival chance, currently in hospital, $3,400 raised).

Transcript

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Elbydo you object to this in a relationship Dynamic context um I would say like it definitely is a Trope that is quite

Elbycommon a what do you mean a Trope like it's a relationship type that men are more dominant than women it's very common I understand that but there's also like uh relationship relationship

Elbytypes that I feel like the wom wears the pants do some make sense there are some um stay-at home dads for instance um and LOM would be the provider well we can go ahead and Grant that there's all

Brian Atlaskinds of relationship Dynamics there's are there are women who are more dominant there are women who want to date soy boys and Peg them um I'm not really interested in that though what I

Brian Atlasam interested in is kind of more uh painting with a bit more of a broad brush and seeing what works best generally speaking when it comes to

Brian Atlasrelationships what do men generally want what do women generally want want because we can make all these car vs about well I I have a friend who knows a

Brian Atlasbrother who knows a guy and she pegs him okay cool um but I think what Andrew is talking about is he's taking a a position he's not just saying well

Brian Atlaswhatever floats your boat he's saying I think Andrew you can correct me the best relationships they work out best if the woman is submissive to the man is that correct Andrew that is

Andrew Wilsoncorrect yeah yeah I'm saying that that would be generally what an what I would consider to be optimal I think that the deference to the man is generally going to make

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)most relationships more optimal yes I mean I agree kind of my yeahor I sorry um I agree that it's generally true but like she mentioned there still are exceptions like I would

Andrew Wilsonconsider myself like I want to be a provider for example stop the cap you want to be a provider I do yeah for man yes who should um can you provide for dinner for the whatever

Andrew Wilsonpodcast tonight ah that would be a good way to make up for the tardiness yeah then you can be a provider I mean I want to be provider for my guy oh okay well

Andrew Wilsonoh well so Brian I guess you have to be a provider for all the women tonight yeah we are going to do a pizza intermission but um so you want to be a provider for your guy so like you'll pay

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)on the first date yeah or we can split it but I am I am in college right now so of course I'm still working myself up but I'm saying in the future I want to be a lawyer and you know I want to make a career for myself I don't ever see

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)myself as being like a stay-at-home mom or like a housewife and there's nothing wrong with whoever wants to do that but that's why I'm saying it varies from a person to person and so you want uh so

Brian Atlasin every instance when you've been on a date with a guy perhaps for dinner or some activity you always off cuz men will have a tendency to go ahead and

Brian Atlasjust pay the whole thing you'll make the offer and insist on going half um I'll make an offer yes I'm not going to insist if they really want to do that I

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)mean like I said it's if they want to do that gesture why would I reject it but I would be willing to do that gesture as well how many First Dates have you been

Brian Atlason first like I don't know maybe like actual dates uh First Dates maybe seven eight I don't know did you pay the whole

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)bill on any of them yeah in two of those two of them and then the rest were split that was like I don't I don't know the exact number but I think like majority was

Elbysplit okay all right well you want to be a provider do you want to be a provider

Elbyum I think um I tend to be someone who pursues the guy oh yeah but I understand that some men really do love the Chase

Elbyand want to have that sort of Provider um mindset and so to go back on like Andrew stance if a man being dominant is like the most

Elbyoptimal uh relationship and a woman being a little bit being submissive I'd say in some ways yes um women like if they know deep down that they could

Elbyprovide they could do all sorts of things they're like a Triple Decker um give men a chance you know for them to like open the door for you or pay the

Elbybill let them do what makes them feel good wait you said you chase men or what did you say exactly I don't want pursu yes I do Chase you're the pursuer yes I'm the one that usually either

Brian Atlasinitiates but there are have there were men in the past that have um you initiate have initiated uh and I just was receptive

Elbywhat about um can you how does that look um let me see here okay so and I I definitely learned from like my past

Elbyrelationships where I'm like okay um maybe this is not the way to go right um Man shows interest

Elbyme thriving in that sort of attention um is trying to pretty much commit or see and feel out how the relationship is going to go if you open

Elbyall of your Gates you know open all of being super open letting the pretty much being the provider um giving the guy everything that he wants um I feel like

Brian Atlasslowly over time he's going to question like okay what can I even do for you like wait hold on so you said I asked you how you chase and the

Elbyfirst words out of your mouth were the guy shows takes initiative yeah for I would say like for some of the situations I've had but um the one time that I actually did pursue or the several times the one time you

Elbypursued a couple times the couple times I pursued I was like okay um like I obviously show interest and um it'll take a couple of

Elbytimes for like the guy to like uh pick it up because some men are oblivious um hold on I need details here so you say you you show interest but the

Elbymen are oblivious they're not picking it up um so what are these signs that you're giving I'm obviously chatting him up I'm asking like what are you doing like after this I'm just like obviously

Elbylike staring at them smiling um just being actively engaged uh making like side flirting comments here and there uh

Elbywith my ex from like high school like I did chat him up and I was like you know what if I really want to then I could

Elbyget it so uh we just started talking I even knew like um that he had feelings so I took the initiative to like ask him out or um

Elbylike pretty much make it official so that was that was my sense of pursuit uh wait that was the one time you pursued that was like with my committed and then I tried to like um

Elbyfor this for with this one guy um but he was oblivious to it but then I realized I was like I don't know maybe maybe not not this guy so I stopped pursuing

Brian AtlasI'm just a bit confused because you say you chase but then I mean maybe these guys are just totally clueless you say you're making multiple

Elbymoves and they're not getting a hint but it's like I don't know it's like you look at a guy and is that you pursuing him no obviously like you want like you want to like get to know the person so you're

Elbygoing to be like talking to them constantly um and trying to get their attention from time to time um so

Brian Atlasyeah how many first dates would you say you've been on first dates let me

Brian Atlassee say like seven seven okay and then um in all seven of these cases did you make first contact with a

Elbyguy I would say say at least like two to three two to three of them I have some of the guys are not some of the guys are not as

Elbyconfrontational um to like make the move and so I would make the move and I would pursue it but only for two or three of the guys you made the first step of initiative mhm that's when they become

Brian Atlaslike the committed relationships that I've had in the past except for that one dude that was like okay I'm not feeling it wait so a minority you said you like to chase but a minority of the men you've been on

Brian Atlasdates with you okay um so you approach them how are you meeting them in person so um Ley was in high school so two of them

Elbywere in high school I would just see them in class every day just like s next to them chat it up you know um that's how I would pretty much like get a feel

Brian Atlasand decide whether I want to like you know be with that person have you ever approached a guy a guy yeah like a situation you've never you

Brian Atlasthey're not in your social uh Circle they don't go to school with you or maybe they go to school with you but you don't have a class with them or whatever you saw him in school thought he was good-looking did you ever walk up to him

Elbyand introduce yourself I did yeah but this was like I never met him but like like beforehand it was just like during

Elbylike a college um involvement Fair thought the guy was kind of cute um and I wanted him to join my club so we me and my friend like we we went up to him

Elbybut I was like yeah like what's her name and then we just chatted up but like it was very brief because he was busy so of all of the seven first dates that you went

Brian Atlason how often did you ask for the phone number or the contact info um oh that's a good question none of them um no I I would

Elbysay let me see let me think cuz it's been a long time like I'm not going to learn like know this on the top of my head you know it's been a long time since

Elbywhat like asking for numbers for a guy usually because like for me um and I think like this is how I would approach like friendships too is like I

Elbydon't I don't think about like wanting to like um be with a guy right away you know if he's cute he's cute but I usually want to be friends first with the person and

Elbyif anything like ever sparks then like of course I would take things a little bit further but here's the thing sorry about

Elbythat oh I don't know what happened about that okay um okay and then phone number wise um I would say like a couple of times uh I can't really give you like a definitive number um just because it's

Elbybeen a while so it's like a passive thing that I don't like actively remember like I asked his number um did you asked did you plan and set up the First Dates these can be yes or no answers by

Elbythe way just letting you know yeah I would say I'm like yeah there were times where I would have to initiate like hey like let's go on a date or something no no no no no first date First Dates not a

Brian Atlasguy you've been dating for 3 months you yeah first dates first date yes you planned the first

Brian Atlasdate yes did you pay for the first date in any instance no it was split split okay um you ever go for the first

Brian Atlaskiss yes okay all right um just girls will say they like to chase but then you question them a little bit and they'll

Brian Atlassay well I looked at a guy once and I winked at or like I winked at him did you go up to him no it's like okay bro you don't

Brian Atlaschase um but okay all right um let's see here hey we're going to go to Twitch okay um let's get that pulled up sorry

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Brian Atlasappreciate it all right we're going to ask uh here gorlock the Destroyer stiffler's gone today ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 you can't pick seven starting with you

Arina/Bianca (mixed)go ahead my looks or everyone your look your yeah your just your own looks um can you scoot into the table a little

Arina/Bianca (mixed)bit um I would so not seven probably eight okay yeah would say eight eight probably like a

Emma6.58 eight 6 and A2

Brian Atlasum six okay I give myself a five Andrew I'm a 10 for sure all right uh

Andrew Wilsonwait why you laughing you don't think that that's an objective assessment you don't think I'm a 10 that hurts my feelings no you're a 10 you're a

Andrew Wilson10 because I said I'm a 10 I mean you're laughing like it's not true you're laughing like I'm some kind of old man who just said some crazy

Brian Atlasuh follow-up question on this do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time better looking in 10 years time I would say yes okay so you're 20

Brian Atlasnow so better looking at 30 uh 20 years time better looking at

Brian Atlas40 yes better looking in 30 years time at 50 yes so 40 years time at 60 yes well here let's keep the camera on her

Brian Atlasplease um 50 years time better looking at 70 yes yeah I would say

Brian Atlasso does it just keep going until you die yes you're just you're literally the hottest the day before you die is what you're saying mhm yes

Brian Atlasokay all right um and I just okay um okay do you take any forms of

Andrew Wilsonpsychotic medication antis psychotic medication by chance me yeah no no nothing for

Brian Atlasdepression I don't take any of that no okay when you know 30 40 50 60 70 when is when's the

Arina/Bianca (mixed)peak my Peak when's the peak going to be I feel like there is no peak I feel like it just keeps on getting better interesting before I get into that I'll

Brian Atlashave everybody else on the panel answer this question you're 39 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 49 no okay and then you're 39 were you better

Brian Atlaslooking 10 years ago at 29 yeah better looking 20 years ago at 19 well

RachelI'm not sure to be honest um I mean yes probably from like the

Rachelyeah from the outside uh attraction yes can we close the door please um okay what about Morgan 10 years yeah

Brian Atlasafter that no okay what about you 10 years yeah okay so you're 22 so uh better looking at 32 mhm uh 20 years

Brian Atlastime better looking at 42 I'd say so yeah okay and then better looking at 52 30 years time mhm okay let's go to 40

Brian Atlasyears better looking at 62 I'd say I'd be okay yeah let me just repeat the question in case there's any confusion the question

Brian Atlasis not will you still be attractive the question is will you be more attractive in 10 years time or 20 30 40 years time

Brian Atlasso you just to be clear a 62-year-old version of you would out compete yourself for

Elbymen yeah depends on the situation but I think no then in that case like I wouldn't be I wouldn't be more attractive I mean the way I'm kind of

Elbyseeing things is like I see how my parents are and they're they're pretty they look pretty good for their age mhm um sure yeah you can still be

Brian Atlasgood-looking when you're older mhm and so that's why I'm a 10 let let me ask you this if we put you how's your mom

Brian Atlasshe's 60 we put you and your mom in a room with a 100 single men no let's just do a thousand single men between the

Brian Atlasages of 20 and 60 you think you're going to have and you can't you don't get to talk to them they

Brian Atlasjust see you both and they have to pick which one they want to date which one they think is more attractive do you win or does your mom

Elbywin can I see my mom I think my

Elbymom um I think like I just erroneous erroneous I would think my mom because

Elbyshe's beautiful um and you're not I think I am too and that's why I feel like when I get to her age I definitely

Elbywill follow too in that life okay all right so um but yeah if the question is more attractive when you're 60 rather than 20 I feel like it's 20 that's have

Andrew Wilsonyou ever heard of a popular it's a very popular thing that the kids are all saying online now it's called cope have you ever heard the word cope yeah you

Elbyand what does cope mean to cope is to make do with um like

Elbythe issues you have issues at hand and you try to either compensate or make do

Elbywith your unfortunate um I guess like with your like um qualities that like

Elbyare unfortunate to you and so um in a way to like distract yourself from

Andrew Wilsonexperiencing the emotions that come with those do you think that most people would think like I'm assuming your mom's

Andrew Wilsonprobably 20 plus years older than you I would guess the mom's 60 do yeah do you your mom's 60 yeah you think you I just want to make sure that we're clear you

Andrew Wilsonthink that any random guy any I know I'm not even saying age group just any random guy would rather date your 60-year-old mother over you I just want

Andrew Wilsonto make sure that we're clear and you're absolutely not coping here right no no so they would yeah I would say yeah and

Andrew Wilsonyou're not full of NOP and of course not trolling either right no no

Andrew Wilsonokay or am I I don't know are you or or aren't

Elbyyou but yeah I have to say out there my mom is beautiful so yeah well I mean she must be because

Andrew Wilsonevery man on planed Earth would much rather have her at 60 years old than you at well let's see if I wrote your age down here um I didn't catch it is it 22

Andrew Wilsonno that's not right what is your age is it 22 yeah so they would rather have 60-year-old Grandma of over 22y old Jak that's that's your actual standard if she could provide and she got the looks

Andrew WilsonI mean nobody car men don't give a about women who can provide nobody literally men don't care at all about women being providers they like them cuz they're hot they don't care about that's the big attraction that they have to women you know what they don't care

Andrew Wilsonabout I'm going to tell you all the things they don't care about you ready they don't care how much money you have they don't give a they don't care if you work at Starbucks they don't give a they don't care if you're manager of McDonald's and they're a multi-millionaire they don't give a they don't care that you're great at

Andrew Wilsonphilosophizing they don't care if you're phenomenal logican they don't care about any of that what they care about more than anything else is that you're hot that's what they care about that's so

Andrew Wilsonhere's the hierarchy of needs you ready you're hot and then there you go there's your entire there's thearchy of needs for men I just given it to you there

Andrew Wilsonright there in a silver platter gave you the secret to life for men right it's simple so I just I just wanted to explain that to you that your six-year-old mother in the dating Market

Andrew Wilsonis likely not going to outperform you at 22 years old that's pure cope okay I mean if there's an opportunity to

Elbytap then any man would take right are you saying if there's an opportunity to smash your your mom I mean some guys would I would say I'm not

Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah we would agree yeah but nobody would ever disagree that some guy some 79y old guy is going to tap your mom yeah I'm sure I'm sure he will I'm sure he'll get his ass out of his bed and he'll go over with his walking cane and

Andrew Wilsonhe'll really give it to her but the thing is like what does that have to do with anything though walking cane

Andrew WilsonI give you gold I give you gold and this is what I get you know gold he still has a rotary

Brian Atlastelephone all right I'm okay uh going to you Irene uh better looking in 10 years time yes 20 years time no okay better

Brian Atlaslooking in 10 years time yes 20 years time probably not okay so better looking

Brian Atlasat 32y Old for the both of you uh Emma better looking in 10 not at 20 okay all right okay that was an interesting

Brian Atlasconversation uh one quick followup I suppose so if I had a magic wand that I could wave for you two and you magic wand that could age your

Brian Atlasoutward physical appearance so you would still you know obviously as you get older you get closer to you know mortality whatever it would just age you outwardly so your your health is the

Brian Atlasexact same you you'll live just as long as you would otherwise live but we age you to 70 we age you to 70 and you just stay that way for the rest of your life you

Brian Atlasremain as uh you know looking 70 for the whole your whole life do you take it if we can wave a magic wand right now

Andrew Wilsonyeah bet oh my God you guys are arler okay do you take it I mean you already dug the hole right I mean you can't you kind just have to

Elbybite the bullet H it won't stop my game let's go let's go it won't stop your game no it won't stop your game you know

Andrew WilsonBrian for situations like this you need to get one of those aging apps for the computer and then age them forward and show them what they look like you know what that is a good idea can wait I'm gonna have the Discord I'm gonna have

Brian Atlasour Discord team do it so guys if you can I want you and you right now look into the I need you hold on hold on scoot into the scoot this way cuz you're out of frame well scoot the chair lady

Brian Atlasoh oh SC scoot into the table so you're in frame okay look into this camera right here okay so guys grab your screenshot look

Brian Atlasinto the camera keep looking look grab your screenshots look into the camera hello okay and now we're going to have somebody the Discord hopefully they'll do it put it put them through a aging

Brian Atlasthing make them 50 or 60 hang on that goes for The Crucible too and then if you guys get to it first uh toss it in the whatever um toss it in the whatever Discord yeah if you can put it in the uh those of you who are in the Discord

Brian Atlasright now leave my research tab open you're going to post it in the research tab okay uh so you can do that I'm going to read a chat here uh let's see we have techn Trooper panel it seems men are

Brian Atlasstaying single longer and sometimes forever is romance declining in America and why what is the solution to this um is romance declining in American why what is the solution to this do you

Brian Atlasguys okay going around the table do you think romance is

Arina/Bianca (mixed)declining um I would say it really depends on the person like there's a lot of people that are lucky out there to have like healthy and romantic

Arina/Bianca (mixed)relationships where like others maybe not and a solution to this would

Arina/Bianca (mixed)be maybe people getting out of their shell and like talking to people and going on dates mhm uh is it decline like romance like

Rachelbeing romantic or couple I'm not sure is chivalry dead is that what it is okay uh and did women kill

Rachelit I mean part of it yes I think so I think guys are kind of scared because women did become kind of rough in Quebec like women are rough men like it's it's almost like conversed the uh the the

Rachelworlds are reversed and like men don't really go towards women because women just kind of like they're off they're off French Canadian women I'm telling you yeah they're it's tough out there

Brian Atlasthe cuqua yeah it's a with their but uh the poutine is it the poutin you think that's what did it to the women I don't think that's the poutine but poutine

Rachelthat's some really good things though Canadian Beacon did some amazing things I think you think it's Trudeau like his

Rachelfault trud is at fault for many but let's not yeah but yeah don't even talk about this but okay yeah I think so yeah

ElbyI think part of it is like the yeah is shivalry Den I think I could only like say it from a

Elbyperspective I I feel like my scope of The Da life is probably pretty I would say small um just because I've been in the

Elbysame Community for years but I'd say it's declining it's still here but there's not a lot of uh men that are doing like typical chivalry things so

Brian Atlasyeah it's at a decline I feel the same Community like the Pokemon C collection like I'm like I'm from OC so um you mean the place that's right next to La like the biggest metropolitan area in the

Brian Atlascountry yeah yeah it's tough out there in yeah greater Metro LA area 10 million plus people it's hard it's very

Brian Atlassecluded basically in the in the forest out there in Orange count don't look at me that way you're in the forest you're in the Sticks no OC Suburban like it's

Brian Atlaslike I know I'm being sarcastic oh okay yeah you're in the rural the rural parts of Orange County yeah are there rural parts of we're in the orange Cy where

Brian Atlaswe're in the skies Orange County is pretty uh isn't it pretty Republican mhm so you're a trump supporter right um no I don't I don't want to disclose

Elbythat cuz like again it's okay you can do it no I I don't I need to like you're like a Bernie bro no cuz I feel like Kanye no okay my bad go ahead no I just

Elbyfeel like I need to do more research on like stances before I even like say anything cuz yeah who you voting for not disclosing all right okay all right uh is shaly dead

ElbyOh you mean so okay hang on I just want I just want to so you're voting for kamla Harris I'm not going to lie dude I think

Andrew WilsonI might forget the date to vote cuz I tend to forget certain things awesome yes that's actually good I'm glad if it but if if you did know the day to vote

ElbyPi you'd be voting for commo right I don't know I really don't know if it happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't she's going to write in Timothy

EmmaShalom for president wait he's British never mind and not he's not he's from New York I thought he was born in England I'm I'm pretty sure he's British timy shomy I I don't think so well he's

Brian Atlasokay I don't whatever um okay uh what about you is chivalry dead well so the question that was asked

Ireneare we like kind of grouping romance and chivalry

Irenelike sure I guess I feel that romance is on a decline but with shivy shivalry as

Irenewell it is declining but it's almost it has potential to be revived it's still

Andrew Wilsonsomewhere I think yeah I mean it it's somewhere it is it's gone that's where it is that's the somewhere that it is is gone your your thoughts go ahead um yeah it's

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)definitely declining both romance and Shiri um I blame social media for that and hookup culture and people feeling like they always need to put up a front

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)I think there's a not a lot of au authenticity left and sure that's a problem Emma what about you I think it's very well alive okay all right uh okay I'm going

Brian Atlasto get through some of my notes here Irene you do the teror card thing you describe yourself as the goddess of peace so okay let me explain that so

Ireneit's not like it's being narcissistic or whatever my my name Irene actually the definition of it is derived from the

IreneGreek goddess of peace so I used that for my

Brian Atlasusername do you consider yourself a goddess I don't okay um and then on your Tik Tok you're

Irenea Sagittarius Gemini and a Pisces like three or whatever the so there's like um there's little symbols a lot of people kind of get confused I guess it's not that noticeable but it's saying I'm

IreneSagittarius Sun Gemini Moon and Pisces Rising that's beautiful thank you I have no idea what that means I can explain that's

Brian Atlasum you know uh you were on uh fresh and fish yes we both were you you were sitting right next to myin MH question very

Brian Atlasimportant question did you or did you not sniff his chair when he got up um I did not that's a lie just kidding okay um did you guys say

Andrew Wilsonanything on that wait what what what what what what yes you did yes you did yes

Brian Atlasyou did don't Li yes you you CAU me oh my gosh like after the cameras were off though like you wouldn't dare like let that be caught on camera I would never but like you definitely like you it's just between us I'm not going to

Brian Atlasget into it did it smell like the Justin Bieber fragrance or is it more like Aqua digio did I say that right that Georgio Armani

Andrew Wilsonthe one it's very popular do gab more like okay all right just checking okay well chat saying you did the chat says you did say did okay well that's crazy it's it's

Brian Atlasunanimous between two chats that you did this so uh did you guys get into any debates on that show did you guys have any back good back and forth suit to on that one or did you just sit there and

Irenelike just there was a lot of chaos that kind of prevented us from yeah because a lot of people were getting really emotional and it was just you know hard to State opinions but I actually been on

Brian Atlasfreshman fit three times three times three wow Patrick okay cool good time times good times um but that specific

Ireneepisode no I mean a little bit we we got to um talk a lot about like femininity and masculinity and we already know my's

Brian Atlastake on that so sure all right yeah okay uh let's see we'll get through the rest of the notes actually you know what before we get into the

Brian Atlasnotes I have to bring it back to uh let's see H I did have a question um what should men

Brian Atlasdo when it comes to dating for example you might say men should pay for First Dates men should open the car door men should bring you flowers whatever it is

Brian Atlasmaybe you agree with that maybe you don't but uh what should men do when it comes to dating I would

Arina/Bianca (mixed)say they would have to plan dates I think that's really important plan dates plan dates

Arina/Bianca (mixed)um to be a provider mhm um provider okay mhm and also like show like

Arina/Bianca (mixed)effort effort okay effort and yeah that's pretty much it all right what about you can we open the

Racheldoor uh I don't have any what I don't have any uh shoulds per se like I think every couple creates like their own Synergy but I think and not

Rachelspecific to men or you know I just think you need to have good good communication you have to be able to I mean minimally manage your emotions and be able to know yourself and I think you should okay I

Rachelguess that's a should but again for men and women you should find a way be somewhat fulfilled with your life on an individual level before I'm saying more like gendered yeah gender roles like I

TTS/Chatdon't I don't I don't feel entitled to anything particularly repeal the 19th Amendment donated $200 ladies you're so boring painfully boring justify your right to

Brian Atlasvote uh repeal the 19th uh well thank you for the TTS um does anybody want to respond to that the right to

Rachelvote I mean we're part of society or the accusations of being boring yeah you do that to yeah we might be I don't know which you want to

Andrew Wilsonsay okay bro just come on like like come on here and then talk I love to see you talk if you happen to I mean I'm on here

Andrew Wilsonright now if you'd like to have that argument but but just so you know I have been instructed by the powers it be not to have that AR so I'm not going to but I just want to let you know at any

Brian Atlasfuture date if you would like to have that argument I'm willing to have it all right well I guess back to the whole uh what what should men do when it

Elbycomes to dating yeah like I said I don't have any specific shirs no I think like yeah all right what about you me uh what should men do when it comes to dating I

Elbythink I kind of agree I agree with you on that in s it just one point of clarification it's easier if you just say your own position and instead of saying you're just okay my position

Elbyis is um like before you get into relationship I feel like men should pretty much be secure with themselves first before even

Brian Atlaspursuing yeah but you can say this about women so I'm asking like what should men specifically do what should men be what should they

Elbydo so be good communicators shouldn't women also be good good communicators well it seems like a lot of these things even in in terms of like planning dates

Elbyor even uh like giving gestures doing a lot of things could be things that both genders could do

Elbyokay but men specifically I think they could be pretty good listeners um even if they're not going to fully understand like

Brian Atlashow a woman would think would feel just listening in is like pretty good so there's nothing exclusive in your view nothing exclusive

Brian Atlasthat men should do when it comes to their gender expectations and dating protector provider lead they could protect they can but should they they

Elbyshould okay I mean you're if if I'm I'm your woman then like protect me I'm you're obviously probably going to be um at least at least like slightly bigger

Brian Atlasright um yeah to the size that you could protect I'm I'm very small pte mhm so you want the guy who's would protect you or capable of protecting you okay and

Brian Atlasmen should do that they should protect their girlfriend do you think men have an equal expectation on women that the woman should protect them no okay so

Irenegendered expectation then what about you I personally appreciate chivalry so like those little things like making sure the woman is on the inside when they're

Irenedriving by like the cars and opening doors obviously and of course if the man did ask to ask or plan the date I would

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)appreciate them to pay for the meal or the date mhm okay you know you said you want something that's you know not doesn't apply for both genders and I I can't think about it right now because I

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)feel like the things that I wanted to mention mention like consistency and being a great communicator and just being straightforward about what you want I think both people should be able

Brian Atlasto do that so uh anything for you Emma uh I think they should wear the pants and Lead okay all right um and

Brian Atlasthen let me ask you guys a question really quick here so would you find fault in a woman if a woman said men

Brian Atlasshould do XY Z should do XYZ so woman says men should pay for first AIDS men should open car doors men should be

Brian Atlaswilling to sacrifice themselves in some sort of self-defense situation they should take the bullet men should take the bullet would you object to If a woman said that would that be wrong of

Brian Atlasher to say that that men should pay for first AIDS is that is that wrong that's not wrong at all no no

Arina/Bianca (mixed)objections okay pen um men should be paying cooking cleaning taking care of kids men

Brian Atlasshould H yeah get your little looks to the side oh I just said a little

TTS/Chattroll congratul yeah okay you know I don't know Brian I don't know if you can let him off the hook

TTS/Chattrolling my skin from B them donated $200 these girls have the personality of a sex

Brian Atlasdoll I mean it would be helpful with the flow of the conversation if you simply answered the question in good faith so I mean is that actually your position or are you just going to cop to the

Arina/Bianca (mixed)troll I would say um women are allowed to say like oh like for men to pay for dates and stuff like that okay so are you walking back

Rachelthe men should cook and clean and take care of the household or no I was just kidding I was just kidding okay all right yeah they're allowed to want that anybody's allowed to want what a

Rachelwhatever they want so no quarrel no quarrel with men should do that's what it's if they want that is that if that's the yeah if that's what they want and then they have they create that

Rachelrelationship and they have they offer each other kind of that complimentary thing like yeah any issue with a woman saying men should do this men should pay for first AIDS is that

Elby[Music] wrong to that I would say like if she wants it then she could have it that way but um same goes for men too they men

Elbycould be like me women should be submissive or women should be in this sense you could think however you want to think um it's based on like what you

TTS/Chatwant so I'm not really going to like say no you can't have this techn Trooper donated $200 ladies would your parents be okay

Brian Atlaswith you dating a guy that comes from a broken home I like boring it's peaceful uh techn Trooper thank you for the TTS um just show of hands would your parents be would your parents be okay

Brian Atlaswith you dating a guy that comes from a broken home show of hands I mean okay all right there you have your answer thank you technno Trooper for the

IreneTTS um any objections to women saying men should do men should pay for for States I believe it's wrong under the circumstance that the woman who's

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)stating that is not offering anything to the table either well maybe she is then no I don't believe it's wrong okay yeah if that works for both of them you know if it's communicated and this is the their preferences and it works then yeah

Brian Atlasthere's nothing wrong Emma what about you uh no objection no objections okay and then then just my f my one followup to this is is it wrong if a man says women should be submissive women should

Brian Atlasstay at home and take care of the kids women should cook women should clean is that sexist honestly I would prefer it that way I'll be able to cook and clean and then do everything I don't think it's wrong but

RachelI always wonder what you mean exactly when you say submissive and I think a lot of women have trouble with that word um I don't particularly but I never know what it means exactly because I think sometimes women hear like you need to

Brian Atlasshut up and do nothing and have no opinion and just say yes to everything luckily you're asking the exact right well okay go ahead Brian sir Ju Just I'll I'll let you get to that but I want to just get the panel's answer on that

Elbyso of the things I listed if a man says you should do all those things sexist um it's just a matter of preference I don't think it's like um

Elbyinnately wrong to have a preference or to feel and think the way you feel um hopefully that person could find the person that agrees with those um with

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)those thoughts as well you should be a politician what about you no all right um that wouldn't be for me that person but there's nothing wrong with

Brian Atlasthat again it's all about preferences I think it's fa to say okay all right uh Andrew do you want to have the exchange about the uh being submissive thing yeah well I just wanted to clarify what

Andrew Wilsonit means it just means uh you do what you're told yeah what it means no matter what well no I mean it has to it has to um

Andrew Wilsonsync up with reason so you do what you're told within reason but um but the thing is is that you know quantifying reason this is why this is why when I

Andrew Wilsontalk about kind of whenever you have two two different consciousnesses which come into contact on basically necessarily always going to dominate the other um in this case I do think that

Andrew Wilsonmen do tend to dominate relationships and I even think that that's a good thing I don't I don't not only do I not think that's a bad thing I think that that's how things ought to be but you

Racheldon't you don't want like negotiations like you don't think that they're you you don't want do generals do generals want to negotiate with Colonels I don't know but does that mean

Andrew Wilsonthat you want that in your relationship I mean answer is no so like I think I think that if it you can have tons of objections or needs or things that you

Andrew Wilsonwant from a submissive role uh that you can ask for and uh and get right um between between two different

Andrew Wilsonindividuals this can be a business relationship this can be anything uh not just a relationship you can have two people who are in these roles and one who's in the submissive role can request

Andrew Wilsonthings within the confines of reason and usually those things will be granted the the thing that happens though is that inside relationships eventually two people come to an impass who do we defer

Andrew Wilsonto well that's the thing I feel like there is so let's say you have a you have a discussion then it's like for me it's like the best idea should win yeah but who gets to make the determination

Andrew Wilsonas to what the best idea is what happens what happens when you have an impass and and it's kind of very pretentious in fact when people say oh I want a person

Andrew Wilsonwho we're never going to have an impass or we're never going to have a I think this is the way and he thinks this is the way or vice versa that's every relationship that you're ever going to be in there's going to be an impass

Andrew Wilsonwhich comes up question is who gets deferred to so you think everything is within the confines of what should be and so does he right who who who gets deferred to yeah I think when you say

Rachelwhen you say well those with the best idea yeah it's like well who gets to determine that well that's always in the discussion I think like if you have a discussion with someone then you both are like that you have the discussion you think you're right and he thinks

Rachelhe's right yeah well then you yeah you I don't I don't think because you're the man you it yeah no I don't believe that because you're the man you automatically

Andrew Wilsonhave the best idea or the best well somebody got to be the tiebreaker especially when there's kids involved right somebody has to be the tiebreaker especially when there's kids involved can't be at a Perpetual impass when it

Andrew Wilsoncomes to your Children's Welfare for instance right somebody has to be deferred to so the the question is who gets deferred to this is the great this is the great question by the way of the

Andrew Wilson21st century and this is the question feminism cannot answer we must have children and in order to have children we're going to have to have men and women sleeping together and in order to

Andrew Wilsonhave good results with those children usually those couples need to stay together long term right or you're probably probably going to have bad results with the children every study on planet Earth confirms this so what happens when we're inside of these

Andrew Wilsonrelationships and feminism has taught you to be a strong empowered awesome Epic woman boss babe in tight leather who can take down 300 lb men with

Andrew Wilsonmachine guns with nothing more than your 120 lb in Jitsu and uh you end up in an impass right you end up in an impass with your husband now this used to be codified into law and so the

Andrew Wilsoncodification in law was well there's an impass you're going to have to defer to the husband and now that's no longer law and so now we end up in these well we

Andrew Wilsoncan't make the decision because neither party will back down so so how do we solve that is kind of the great question in

Rachelmity yeah I mean I I just feel like two grown-ups will naturally figure it out together not

Andrew Wilsonjust because you you know I don't think it goes that way I think naturally like they they both people you come up you will come up with like two people can't decide on gun control no but like they can't decide on where they want to go

Andrew Wilsoneat together they can't decide the whole country's polarized 50/50 on abortion Like We can't agree on basic things you think inside of relationships though somehow it's going to just naturally

Racheloccur like it isn't that kind of pie in the sky uh you know kind of silly thing in a way no I think sometimes like uh cuz you you trust your partner and you're like you know what okay we're going to try your way and then another

Rachelimpass is going to be okay it's going to try we're going to try the other way like it's wait wait hang on that requires a concession that requires a concession we'll try it you're yeah but I think the concession sometimes going to be from the woman sometimes the

Andrew Wilsonconcession is going to be from the men like okay but here's the thing right yeah so it used to be codified into law that when there was an impass it's deferred to the man it's no longer

Andrew Wilsoncodified into the law anymore that defer to to the man you would agree with me that's true right yeah yeah and so when we have these great impasses what happens when neither party backs

Racheldown well I just think at some point one party will back down it just naturally happens no don't see nothing divorce rates are Skyhigh right out of out of

Andrew Wilsonout of wedlock uh relationships are Skyhigh not people don't even want to take the risk because of this idea that one party's not going to back down inside of religious cultures of course there's a difference to the man and you

Andrew Wilsontend to see the more religious a person is the less they get divorced isn't that interesting because there's there's this tiebreaker right there's this when we hit this impass we now have somebody

Andrew Wilsonwho's deferred to and both people from the religious perspective agree that that difference is going to go towards the man but where feminism's one of their greatest failures has come in is

Rachelinside of relationships if we're both equal who gets to be the deci when we have a situation where we can't decide but I think it changes that's what I mean I think like it's it's if

Rachelyou can't figure it out together and if you don't it it doesn't go one way or the other like sometimes one way sometimes the other way then yeah maybe you're just incompatible and you should be together yeah you're not going so so

Andrew WilsonI'm going to reject a couple things here outright you're not incompatible with somebody because you can't agree on an issue and neither one of you will back down that actually does not assume assum that you're incompatible with each other

Andrew Wilsonthat could have issues of Pride together it could be all sorts of issues um which are inside of that relationship that actually have nothing to do with the fact that one of you is actually right

Andrew Wilsonone of you is wrong but if you would agree and maybe you don't but if you did agree that we should defer to kind of Reason logic first I would think that

Andrew Wilsonmost people would agree the sex that has that mostly dominated is men not that there's not irrational men there are or overly emotional men of course there are but generally speaking I would say that they're much more rational logical than

Andrew Wilsonwomen are why shouldn't you defer to men like what what does that cost women exactly in a relationship to just back down on their pride and defer to the

Rachelman what does that really cost them well I just can't assume that because you're dude you will have the best idea and you know what I mean I just I don't see how you can assume that because of gender

Andrew Wilsonyou like yeah so then you you are agreeing that you make bad choices when it comes to picking men everybody makes oh what me personally if I make bad choices well I mean not you personally I'm just saying women then women would

Andrew Wilsonhave to concede that they're making bad choices when it comes to picking men oh yeah 100% if if if if that is the case that when they pick the man somehow they can't defer to his leadership and they have to defer to

Racheltheir own it seems like they're picking very bad men right yeah and I think the opposite happens too I think some men pick really bad women too but yes well I

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