WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?! | Dating Talk #202

Date: 2024-10-07

Duration: 7h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_02Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Elby(guest)

SPEAKER_04Emma(guest)

SPEAKER_05Arina/Bianca (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_13Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Irene(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull guest introduction round: Arina, Rachel, Bianca, Elby, Emma, Morgan, Ana, Brian Atlas, Andrew Wilson.

“hi my name is Arina ... my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible”

OtherArina reveals she loyalty-tested a new boyfriend one week after he asked her to be his girlfriend. DMd 20 women from his following list; he agreed to fly them out. He broke up with her when he found out, citing health issues and family problems.

“I got to I got to ask ... I DM'd 20 girls from his following list”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7). Arina=8, next guests=6.5. Andrew Wilson jokes he is a 10. Discussion of whether women peak in attractiveness with age.

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 you can't pick seven ... probably eight ... 6 and a half”

ControversyBOW video 2.0 shown. Brian asks if women would bow for their partner. Panel largely refuses. Andrew points out contradiction: women perform sexual acts for near-strangers but won't bow for a committed partner.

“boom huge bow huge bow ... the same woman that says I would never bow for a man will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Irene on whether tarot cards are compatible with Christianity, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27. Irene defends her practice as a personal spiritual gift and says she is still rediscovering her faith.

“Leviticus 1926 do not practice divination or seek Omens ... you're doing both divination and seeking omens”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women's suffrage destroyed the United States by shifting voting patterns toward security/risk-aversion over freedom. Claims men-only voting would have produced better outcomes.

“women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America”

OtherBrian mentions at end of show that a girl walked off during the stream; plans to post behind-the-scenes footage in Discord. Walkoff not captured clearly in main transcript — referenced only in closing segment.

“BTS maybe we'll post the BTS of that girl who walked off”

OtherBrian announces fundraiser for Mason, a former guest in a severe motorcycle accident with 10% survival odds. $3,400 raised via GiveSendGo; Brian personally donated $1,500.

“he was in a severe motorcycle accident ... 10% chance of survival ... we were able to raise $3,400”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: Arina (20, CSUF), Rachel (39, Vancouver server), Bianca (22, care provider), Elby (22, UCI pre-optometry), Emma (22, communications), Morgan (18, SBCC soccer), Ana (19, UCSB). Andrew Wilson introduced as co-host. Each guest shares relationship history.

Loyalty testing / Arina's boyfriend loyalty test story

Arina describes loyalty-testing a new boyfriend by DMing 20 women from his following list after one date. He failed by agreeing to fly girls out. Panel debates whether loyalty testing is justified. Andrew Wilson frames it as a crystal-ball thought experiment about foreknowledge.

Paternity tests and trust in relationships

Brian asks whether panelists would agree to a paternity test if requested by a husband. Majority say they would but would be hurt by the lack of trust.

Female submission and masculinity in relationships

Andrew Wilson argues optimal relationships have women deferring to men. Discussion of empathy, narcissism, masculinity. Andrew argues men are biologically designed for low empathy. Irene defends balance and Christian ethics of submission.

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10 (no 7). Ratings extracted: Arina=8, Rachel/Bianca unclear, Elby ~6.5, Emma ~6.5, Morgan unknown. Brian passes. Andrew jokes he is a 10. Discussion follows about whether women get better-looking with age.

Aging / do women peak discussion

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10/20/30/40 years. Arina claims she will keep improving until death. Andrew and Brian rebut with the concept of aging market value. Discord members use an aging AI filter on two of the guests.

Romance declining / chivalry

Panel discusses whether romance and chivalry are declining. Consensus is yes; causes attributed to hookup culture, social media, feminism, and Trudeau (Rachel).

BOW Video 2.0 — would women bow for their man

Brian shows a viral 'BOW video' of a woman bowing when her boyfriend arrives. Panelists asked if they would bow. Most refuse. Irene (SPEAKER_14) refuses citing it is not her culture (uses bow for elders). Brian and Andrew point out the contradiction: women will perform sexual acts for near-strangers but refuse a bow for a committed partner.

Christian faith and tarot cards — Irene debate with Andrew

Andrew challenges Irene's claim of being Christian while practicing tarot cards, citing Leviticus 19:26 and 20:27 (divination/necromancy). Irene argues she is still rediscovering her faith and believes she has a gift from God. Andrew argues she suffers from confirmation bias.

Women working vs. staying home / gender roles

Andrew argues most women would choose not to work given the option, and smart women should raise children rather than waste intelligence in corporate jobs. SPEAKER_13 (career-focused guest) pushes back, saying she wants to be a lawyer and always work.

Andrew Wilson debate: women's suffrage and voting patterns

Andrew argues women's suffrage destroyed the US by causing risk-averse voting patterns that impede freedoms. Claims men voting alone would have resulted in better outcomes.

Dating market hypergamy and internet's effect on dating

Andrew walks through hypergamy argument: internet opened global dating pool, women now compete for top 5-10% of men, men receive few DMs while women receive thousands. Both agree internet destroyed localized dating. DM count comparison around panel.

Body count discussion

Brian asks if men are insecure for caring about body count. Rachel says yes; others say no. Brief panel discussion on whether body count matters in relationships.

Closing segment: pickup lines, Discord aging photos reveal, final bow

Panel shares best pickup lines. Discord reveals AI-aged photos of two guests. Brian asks for final bow volunteers; one guest agrees. Brian mentions a fundraiser for 'Mason' (previous guest in a severe motorcycle accident, 10% survival chance, currently in hospital, $3,400 raised).

Transcript

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TTS/Chat$20 I work fulltime and take care of the babies should I still be submissive we make more than enough to live off one income but he can't do his Hobbies

TTS/Chatotherwise I just want to be a starm thoughts guys yes you should techn Trooper donated $20 ladies give us your best Hawk T if

TTS/Chatbowing is too much anybody want to let's hear the hwk to what's what is that what's that

Brian Atlasdamn bro okay all right you don't you don't have to well we don't know what it is talk there you go okay there you go good job um I'll let we are going back up to we're going to do the TTS at 100

Brian Atlasnow for the rest of the show so down from 200 uh I know there's some that are still coming through so I'll give you guys a grace period but if you guys if you're watching now you're watching live uh here I guess here's the cut off I'll

TTS/Chatlet I'll do the grace period I'll let them come through but we're going to do uh 100 and up now for T no filter donated $20 that's bull don't matter big

TTS/Chatouter lips and small inner lips sew I like my cooches to look like moose knuckles I mean that's good too big big outer is good too but like the it's

TTS/Chatbetter if it's ch donated $20 this panel has the energy of a Dying horse come on bishes wake up none of you are pretty enough to lack a personality

TTS/ChatD Joe donated Brian may be big now but I can sense a comeback him and Andrew are going to get shredded and come for you

TTS/Chatneck beards just watch oh yeah uh 2026 is my year prehistoric queef donated $20 would you be with a stud dude that farts a lot show show of hands

TTS/Chatladies would you be with a stud that he farts a lot yeah he can work on it so ridiculous work on his nutrition

TTS/ChatRachel Wilson donated $20 please ask the ladies if they would still want equal rights if they had to draw straws with men senior year of high school to randomly assign difficult dangerous and

TTS/Chatdirty jobs terminal uncore Lan donated $20 good call putting Morgan on this panel without her the next hottest one is Andrew's

TTS/Chat[Music] beard it which is by the way by the way she donated $20 if I should still be submissive Andrew should I get some extra help from the husband it's a lot

Andrew Wilsonto take care of the house fully and children and work fulltime all right guys we're going to do first of all well I just want to I just want to point something out very quickly to you Ashley I think you're full of and I don't think that you work fulltime so your

Andrew Wilsonhusband can do with Hobbies just shut up just shut up and stop coping and lying to me just stop you're full of nobody leaves you that you're so altruistic you wanted to work full-time

Andrew Wilsonand take care of your children so your husband could pursue what golfing just get the out of here with your nobody believes you that is so I'm going to change the

Brian Atlasthreshold I there might be some stragglers but we do have to bring it back up so uh it has just been changed TTS is 100 I'll read the super chats there was another one that came through

Brian AtlasI'll read this really quick Brian you garnish those pizzas with che cheese from under bring back Ava yeah sure yeah thank you thank you man uh let's see here what we have Let me refresh this

Brian Atlasthere was a TTS that came in before this at 100 let me play that we'll do the supers I'll get those pulled up here in just a sec but guys TTS is now 100 thank you guys who participated in the pizza

Brian Atlassession and the roast session uh let me uh oh all it's not showing let me see what's going on here

Brian Atlasokay um to the person who sent in a 100 before we did that I'm it's not going to let me pull it up but I'm going to go through the history and I'm going to read it I apologize that we can't pull

Brian Atlasit up but you did send in let me see this was from techn Trooper techno sorry but uh it was ladies holidays coming up how

Brian Atlasmuch should your partner spend for your Christmas gifts oh # recession money I would say

Rachel1,000 for the Christmas gifts okay uh I don't I don't care about gifts money I would want to spend time with him but I

Racheldon't I yeah I don't care about material so zero no there's no amount of money no okay 10K just kidding uh I don't know I don't care

Irene$100 uh I'd say like depending on what he's comfortable spending but $20 is is like I guess reasonable around $50 but I also like

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)things that are like handmade handmade okay I don't think there I I don't think there should be a monetary value necessarily I mean I'm a big gift giver but no monetary

Brian Atlasvalue doesn't matter and Ana the only woman here who actually has a boyfriend offense to the rest of you uh how much do you expect your boyfriend for the little holidays

Brian Atlasyou know I don't really have a number okay I'll read this Daniel Neri Brian next time they refute the traditionally or wait let me read hold on hide that just Sons of Liberty my

Brian Atlashouse in Florida was submerged by over four feet of ocean water sorry man um came in after the I I tried I we cut it off um Ford bow challenged them with the

Brian Atlashypocrisy of providing the reverse bow with the hair pulling beback doggy style so basically you'll arch your back in a different way

Brian Atlasfor a man but you won't do a little benign inoc that's an ass wholesome bow you think is it hold on that's an assumption it's like oh do we have any

Andrew Wilsonvirgins do we have any virgins here at the table pulled the hair back Dogg you I think I think that that's fair I think that she makes a fair point that is an assumption I just want to make sure then right that this will be a prying

Rachelquestion you don't have to answer it of course but I assume that you just never had sex doggy style then no there's a difference between like pulled a hair back and like being

TTS/Chatwhatever honest $100 seems like she'd be a wholesome partner plus is a bit of a smoke show grats to whoever nabs

Andrew Wilsonher all right but he's saying that that is a submissive position to be put in if you're in that submissive position your head is thrown back and your back is arked it's essentially the same exact

Andrew Wilsonposition right and of course I'm not trying to to pry I'm just pointing this out yeah yeah okay yeah um yeah I guess that's fair though it just sound it more aggressive

Rachellike you would let someone do that let me think I mean that that is assuming that like everyone here would let a men do that and you don't want to

Andrew WilsonI assume that women who have had sex multiple times multiple partners have likely had sex in that position though I'm sure that there's some who are just

Andrew Wilsonlike straight missionary I'm sure that they exist I just have a feeling it isn't going to be most of the women on this panel just yeah yeah that that you know what that's uh fair when you think

Brian Atlasabout it raise your hand if you've never had doggy style sex

Brian Atlasall right okay I guess that's okay good talk I guess good talk guys that was great

Brian Atlasum wait we were going around the table on wait what was the techn Troopers

Brian Atlasquestion oh no sorry we did it we did it my bad my bad we already did it we have a message here from Alvin Sam what's more submissive a woman who bows or a man who pulls the chair out wait a woman who bows or a man who

Brian Atlaspulls the chair out or holds the door open girl in the middle think about what you said so what's more I guess this is a question to you what's more

Irenesubmissive well I feel that it's more submissive of a woman who bows just because pulling the chair out is

Ireneingrained within like chivalry and it just doesn't seem as submissive as that but you know that's just my opinion on that which one takes more actual

Brian Atlasphysical effort the second one pulling the chair out takes more time takes more effort but y'all

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)can't hit a bow so I asked before you didn't really answer would you bow to a woman if that she was the perfect woman for you H if she wanted that it's an interesting

Andrew Wilsonquestion no it didn't no it and here I'll give you my justification for it I don't think that men are supposed to submit to women and it's an act of submission but not

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)only is it an act of submission it's a it's a sign of respect I don't think that men should be bowing to women ever but it's also sub submission to

Andrew Wilsonlike like this guy said to pull the chair out and hold the door open I don't think that that's submissive I think that that's a sign of respect absent submission you don't you wouldn't consider those

Brian Atlasthings to submission here to make this question fair I would like you to ask me because putting T Andrew's point that

Brian Atlasis it more submissive so you'll have to ask me a question that would be more gender appropriate and I'll happily give you a yes or no but you can't

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)just reverse Uno the question so give me an ask from a woman for the perfect woman that would be gender appropriate for me to do but why does it have to be gender appropriate

Unknown guest (lawyer aspirant)people are different people have different ways of showing love and affection and respect well well because even within the worldview of there're being 10,000 genders Brian most

Andrew Wilsonassuredly takes the gender of the traditional he him right under this Paradigm and so even under the Paradigm of those who believe that there's a th genders they would have to show respect

Andrew Wilsonto the particular gender which the person is allocating to themselves right I wasn't speaking about that there's 10,000 genders there's two yeah but I'm just I'm not saying you were I'm just

Andrew Wilsonsaying even assuming there were inside of that worldview you would still be a assigning the respect portion of it to the gender the person assigned

Andrew Wilsonthemselves right that's why that so so either way it's it's um it's like a double-edged sword so either he's the traditional masculine or assigns the

Andrew Wilsontraditional masculine um and not traditional in the sense of I go for tradition but traditional masculinity uh if that is the case he

Andrew Wilsonassigns that self or assigns that to himself uh- whichever way inside the other worldview or his worldview you would still be showing respect through that right okay so you're just speaking

Rachelfrom a traditional masculinity standpoint yes just from that okay I understand that then well CU so I think so to your question I think like if she was going to ask you something that's like gender equivalent

Rachelfor you I think it would be something emotional so something as to so the bow would be a respect scoot the mic to the edge of the table please okay so uh the bow is like a respectful thing for you and for I guess for you to the woman

Rachelwould be something like um you have to listen to her talk about her day and L for 10 seconds uh for a 10 seconds is about yeah 3 four five times

Brian Atlasas long as it takes I'm just saying like yeah that's the equivalent right something emotional once a day once a day I will listen to her for 10 seconds so there you go I just feel that would be sort of the not a problem for the perfect woman you know what Andrew I

Brian Atlasperhaps I'm going to get Flack for this dating is difficult dating is complicated there's a lot of I mean to I think people don't underestimate what

Brian AtlasPerfection is for the perfect woman you ask if would bow and I was a bit hesitant uh I wouldn't bow for a woman but for the perfect woman

Brian Atlasuh I'm going to get Flack there's not a lot of perfect women out there in fact I don't know if there's

Brian Atlasany I will take the concession I'll hit the bout for the perfect woman okay happy to

TTS/Chathear what and yes dude I subscribe to your channel a I don't want to work fulltime I rather raise the children his hobby is a band and spends

Andrew Wilsonroughly 1K a month on it so I need to work so we make the bills I love her show yeah that sounds like an investment so that's a whole different thing nope you should still submit it's an investment you're hoping that his band

Andrew Wilsonmakes it big so you never have to work again stop the cope Ashley uh but Brian I got back to this yeah no let's let's get into it Andrew

Brian AtlasI I actually see in in order to secure her I get the perfect woman handed to me on a silver platter and all I have to do is bow do one bow but otherwise hold on

Brian AtlasAndrew here's the entailment the entirety of the rest of the relationship she's perfectly submissive she doesn't quarrel she's beautiful feminine all the

Brian Atlastraits that I want giant giant Guinness World Record Book L labia yes Andrew I will take the

Brian Atlasconcession this woman does not exist Andrew you can't pal bro okay but she literally lets me rest my feet on her back while I watch TV you

Brian Atlascan't the one you can't bow I'm sorry I'm being I'm being extreme here but I'll do it you can't bow Andrew no no no no but Andrew you're going to have to take let Mew you got to take the L I'm

Andrew Wilsonsorry but okay I don't care if you show up every single night to the best food you've ever had to the best sex you've ever had the most submissive woman who's ever existed and she loves she loves you

Andrew Wilsonto death she will die take every bullet for you she will lie to the FBI on your behalf she will help you bury the dead body in the backyard you don't

Brian Atlasbow you no Andrew I'm sorry but I'm sorry Andrew but okay here's the tradeoff so I don't say I don't accept the perfect woman then I must accept a

Andrew Wilsonflawed woman correct and in some way she's going to challenge already a flawed woman if you're bowing to her there you go that's the entailment That's The Logical entailment it has to

Andrew Wilsonbe already imperfect an imperfect woman if you have to bow that is logical syllogism so everything else perfect woman hang on she's perfect in every

Andrew Wilsonconceivable way except you have to bow therefore she can't be perfect therefore you can never bow to a woman Brian done done bro perfect but I have to

Andrew Wilsonbow that's it I got to do a little wait wait then then she's not perfect that's the entailment of the position then she's not perfect no but okay Andrew okay hang on hang on hang on I can prove this I can prove this I can

Andrew Wilsonprove this logically to you no you can't but go ahead if that perfect woman was perfect in every way and you did not have to bow would you prefer that woman

Andrew Wilsonover a woman was perfect in every way but you did have to bow well yes sure well then we have discovered there's an imperfection and therefore the perfect

Andrew Wilsonwoman cannot ever exist if you must bow therefore Andrew is right and you just took the fattest lell of your career no but hold on let me let me just

Brian Atlasrip out my chapter 3 from debate university.com you son of a gun here I got you Andrew

Brian Atlasbecause the perfect woman but that's it but you have to do this which in in the hypothetical presented would suggest

Andrew Wilsonthat she is perfect but this one thing so then you're not so okay but this doesn't make any sense because you

Andrew Wilsonm you're already making the claim she's not perfect so why would you bow for the woman hang on the initial premise ke donated $100 is the investment more important

TTS/Chatthough my kids are one and two and we have a third on the way I just want to give them the time they need so they grow up well thank you for your criticism thank you Ashley I'm not I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot trying to criticize you I'm just trying to point out that um yeah that's that's an investment and yes you should submit either way even if you're the primary bread winner you should still submit because that's still an

Brian Atlasinvestment it's still an investment Andrew can I ask you a question Andrew let me ask you a question thank you Ashley I appreciate it thank you Andrew you you're you're a proponent of

Brian Atlasmarriage Christian man Orthodox Christian yes I am a proponent of marriage would you have any quarrel with a man kneeling to propose to his

Andrew Wilsongirlfriend yeah I don't I don't think you should kneel to propose yeah but they but men do but men do yeah I think they probably shouldn't I well I agree with you

Andrew Wilsonthere well I don't know what what's the quarrel well okay then I was hoping you would say you know you hoping I would take the AL you know you knew but but

Andrew Wilsonlook I'm just saying look okay you're trying to get me on a technicality I'm going to Grant it I'm going to Grant it I'm going to Grant it and say Andrew Wilson thinks you should that's not an act of submission okay it's not an act

Andrew Wilsonof submission to kneel to ask for the marriage because what you're actually doing right is you're saying listen this is the one time in my life that I'm going to show you some vulnerability as

Andrew WilsonI ask you for this great leap from you the one time ever now if this got on his knees every other day to propose you would agree that there's a problem there right but like one time one time like if you said

Andrew Wilsonto me Andrew I bowed once to the perfect woman that's different but you said you would you would bow you would bow to the perfect woman what like she's going to hit the door and Brian's going to Bow bro you're going

Brian AtlasI'm not going to allow you to Gish Gallop Andrew you Gish galloper you're gonna hold on you want me to answer the question I'm gonna answer the question now back to this back to this okay so back to this so Andrew here's

Brian Atlasthe thing right I would rather live die on my feet than live on my knees and you're in favor of kneeling one time I would rather

Brian Atlasdie on my feet and as if you bow you're still on your feet boom roasted

Andrew Wilsonlawyered boom okay okay so hang on hang on uh if you propose with a

TTS/Chatbow just Gerald donated $100 would you recommend that stop to send in TTS messages you'd probably have to work

Andrew Wilsonless well we appreciate what what if a man proposed with a bow is that okay then cuz he's still on his feet Brian if he proposed with a bow yeah so

Andrew Wilsonhe instead of getting on one knee he bowed his entire body over and held the ring up like so would that be would that be okay and then he hold the ring hang on hold the ring straight up above your

Brian Atlashead and then bow your whole body over and you tell is that is Shifting the goal post Shifting the goal post yeah can you do that can you do that Brian is that okay shift you shifted the goal post

Brian Atlasloaly logicaly you need verbal combat honestly Andrew you you you should take your own course bro I did debate myself recently in lost by the way should we do it again

Brian Atlaswait can we do it oh uh Austin yes can can we have Andrew debate Andrew really quick just super quick let's have maybe we have we should probably have Andrew or Austin do this okay okay hang on hang on save it towards the end save it

Brian Atlastowards the end we'll do it towards the end CU I have a topic I want to debate I he's got to reverse transform

Andrew Wilsontransform uh flip horizontal all right and then I think hide one no no we have to save it for the in Brian we have Tove for I have a topic on this oh okay all right all right never mind you can well hide hide

Brian Atlasgo back to the split just hide them okay well look okay so Andrew you're trying to tackle me here you're trying to tackle me on the word

Brian Atlasperfect you know what I'll just go you me okay well so no I'll Grant you I will grant you perfect means without flaw okay so but here's the thing in this scenario

Brian Atlashere here I think here's the difference the woman isn't asking me to Bow so the scenario is I making a deal with wait you're making a deal okay I'm

Brian Atlasnot making a deal with the woman I'm making the deal with a genie and there's a genie in the bottle and the genie says the genie says Brian I will give you the perfect

Brian Atlaswoman she does not request this of you but you must do it you will have to bounce hold on you got Andrew I'm not going to allow you to I'm not GNA hold on you gotta let me finish here you got let me you gotta let me finish my point

Brian AtlasI'm sorry bro go ahead okay so Andrew the genie is the sort of arbiter the the the the Executioner of

Brian Atlasthis tragic tragic burden on me to bow to this woman but it's not the woman who is requesting me to do this the genie has

Brian Atlascreated the scenario in order for me to get this perfect woman I must do this how can in this scenario the woman not be perfect well this is actually a great

Andrew Wilsonquestion I'm going to answer it for you your premise is flawed so the genie could not actually Grant the wish the wish this is illogical the wish is for the perfect woman if the genie says

Andrew Wilsongreat I'll give you the perfect woman but you have to bow to her then the genie could not give you that woman because she would not be

Brian Atlasperfect you know I that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry okay bro it doesn't mean I'm sorry but but so what okay let me ask

Andrew Wilsonyou a question if you were if you were talking to the genie what about her would not be perfect okay well I'll I'll answer your question from your purview of what you

Andrew Wilsonconsider the perfect woman if you had all of those qualities plus you didn't have to bow but you also had all those qualities but you did which of those women would you take I would prefer to

Andrew Wilsonnot have to bow well then we already know your criteria for the perfect woman that has nothing to so hang on so if you ask the genie for the perfect woman if you ask the genie for the perfect woman and the genie says I'll give you the

Andrew Wilsonperfect woman but you have to bow he's not giving you the perfect woman therefore the premise is flawed well hold on he is giving me the perfect woman he's giving me an

Brian Atlasimperfect life scenario there's nothing wrong perfect woman with the imperfect woman what's that hold on imp wait wait okay let me

Brian Atlasask you a question so okay if a genie says I'll give you a million dollars per day but you have to do bow or the genie

Brian Atlassays you have I'll give you a million dollars per day and you don't have to do the bow do you not get the million dollars per day if you take the

Andrew Wilsonbow you still get the same thing uh well wait a second no you don't because if you say no I won't take the

Andrew Wilsonbow you don't get the million dollars is that correct that would be correct yes yeah well then yeah it wouldn't be the same thing so you're getting two different criteria here the first one you bow you get the million the second

Brian Atlasone you don't bow you don't get the million well hold on Andrew let me ask you a question what if a h i don't know if this is compelling but uh a a perfect woman her standard for dating a man is

Brian Atlasthat he uh he needs to earn a million dollars a year okay I have not thought this one through

Brian Atlashold on let me think those analogies on the Flyers she's a perfect she's a perfect she is the

Brian Atlasperfect woman but the man is does not does not earn a million dollars a year is she no longer the perfect woman despite his own

Andrew Wilsoninadequacy no she wait she is or she's not she's not she's not the perfect she would still be she would still be a the perfect woman uh despite this inadequacy

Andrew Wilsonbecause entailed in the premise is she's the perfect woman she wants the perfect man but the perfect man must make a million

Brian Atlasdollar right mhm yeah so yeah Andrew listen listen bro we're getting caught up on the word

Brian Atlasperfect here let's get back to the let's get back to perf means without flaw right you agree let's get back to the spirit of the conversation right now

Brian Atlasyou've managed to derail the conversation with this hyperfocus on the word perfect I get it I get it Andrew listen you're master debater I get it

Brian Atlasbut let's get back to the the the the spirit of the question which was okay would I bow submit

Andrew WilsonAndrew Andrew what that the perfect woman I just have to bow and and I get the perfect woman yeah I'll do it that's

Andrew Wilsonit okay but in the entailment there is that you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow and so therefore if you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow it can't be the perfect woman just just for the just for simpl

Brian AtlasSimplicity sake I will go ahead and grant you that she is imperfect now okay but she's so you will bow to the

Brian Atlasimperfect Woman Brian oh Andrew you you trickster you Andrew you little trickster you're you're you know your little trickster

Brian AtlasAndrew she's she wait Andrew what about this she's the imperfect woman she's perfect in every way except this one

Andrew Wilsonwill you grant that yeah so if so if you're saying that in every other way than the way that she makes you submit every single day to her she's perfect I

Andrew Wilsoncan grant that yeah okay yeah so I I would yeah I would hit the so then so what you're saying is that you will submit to the woman who

Andrew Wilsonyou think is perfect even though the imperfection of her making you submit makes her imperfect you would still submit if she had all the other criteria

Brian Atlasother than that right look man I know you're doing your taichi Judo or whatever you're you're overthinking this Andrew you're overthinking this you're trying to get me to be like just to to basically admit that I'm a soy boy okay

Brian AtlasI know what you're doing I know what you're trying to do you're trying to clip you're trying to get a little clip here's the thing Andrew listen well let me ask you a question real quick is bowing

Andrew Wilsonsubmission I would look do you uh you bow to a King sure that's you would be submissive yeah yeah I would bow I would bow in deference to men who were above

Brian Atlasmy station I'll you know what I will grant it Andrew I will gr grant that bowing is submissive go ahead okay Grant so I just I just want to make sure we got this on record that there

Brian Atlasare cases where you are going to submit to women ah no no no no hold on Andrew be precise in your language I will submit to the the pen ultimate perfect

Brian Atlaswoman penultimate submit to the imperfect woman no no no hold on you got to use my language here she is the penultimate perfect woman you know what penultimate is I know it's a big word no

Andrew Wilsonbig word Andrew pen ultimate secondary ultimate I think I hold on let me Google that so you would okay got it so you would submit to a less than perfect

Brian Atlaswoman next to last wait last one last but one in a series of second last wait hold on second to last yeah so okay

Andrew Wilsonso let's use the word so let's use the word in Reverse supersede so supersede you would agree supersede I know it's a big word Brian but you would agree that the word supersede means to come before

Andrew Wilsonand so if we're say about perfect and we have perfect and then second perfect is less than perfect and you would admit that perfect supersedes less than perfect you would bow to less than

Brian Atlasperfect that is correct Andrew that that is correct but let Andrew let's say I don't accept this scenario I don't accept I refuse to do the bow and in so

Brian Atlasdoing in so doing in reality I end up with a woman who is orders of magn itude

Brian Atlasworse than this supposed just slightly less than imperfect woman is it I'm not bowing to a woman

Andrew Wilsonbro Andrew like regardless of the circumstances I'm not I'm not I'm not going to bow my head to a woman I'm not ever going to do it and even if that meant that I was in a worse

Andrew Wilsonsituation than I was before that I'm not bowing my head to okay let me give you I'm going to ask you a question I'm going to ask you a comparison so woman if it's under threat of C if it's under

Brian Atlasthreat of coercion if that's what you're hypothetical is then yes if it's under threat of coercion then sure let me ask you a question Andrew so you have two women two women one of the women and you

Brian Atlasyou have to pick one okay okay one of the women is an atheist liberal feminist

Brian Atlasobese um BPD bipolar depressed on a slew of anti psychotic anti-anxiety

Brian Atlasanti-depression drugs she is infertile she's a bat mhm

Brian Atlasshe her name is andrina Destiny sure she has pink hair she has pink hair the physiognomy

Brian Atlasis she's she's heinous it's bad yeah um she again atheist woman she'll never convert to Orthodox Christianity y she's did I

Brian Atlassay infertile yeah or but you never have to bow to this woman never never and all things else are she smells and she smells on

Andrew Wilsonhang okay go so but all other things are equal all my choices between that or the perfect woman except she's not perfect because I have to bow to her right well hold on

Brian Atlaslet me paint the picture for The Other Woman okay The Other Woman beautiful fertile Orthodox Christian virgin will give you seven sons that Bible verse I

Brian Atlasdon't know the exact I don't recall it children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hand of a warrior okay she'll give you seven sons

Brian AtlasAndrew she's a babe she's hot submissive submissive Andrew feminine beautiful but I have to bow to her but once a day you

Andrew Wilsongot it three seconds you got to hit the bow which woman do you pick mhm and I just want to make sure all other things are equal what what do you mean all other things are so everything else

Andrew WilsonRemains the Same except these two conditions the two condition there's a lot of conditions Andrew yeah I know except well the except the differences between one woman a and woman B

Andrew Wilsoneverything else stays the same can you can you give me an example of what would woman a the heinous woman I can pick between her I can pick between this Golden Goddess who's

Andrew Wilsonfantastic except I have to bow to her but everything else stays the same what what would every what would everything else well there's no like the world isn't flat in this scenario there

Andrew Wilsonthere's still an outer space there's still stars in the sky there's nothing everything else external to this stays the same

Brian AtlasI know you're trying to get I know you're trying to do something Andrew but sure okay well then great then I'll take the heinous and divorce her Andrew you trickster you first off I asked bro

Brian AtlasI asked you okay let me okay hold on

Brian AtlasAndrew I asked bro I did now this is this is a perfect example ex Le of your your your bamboozling trickery Here

Brian AtlasAndrew let me let me oh my goodness you must you can't there's no divorce and oh okay now there's okay so

Brian Atlasthen all things aren't equal okay so okay hold on Andrew it's implied it is implied it's not implied that's implied you little oh let me do a loophole can I divorce her no you got to pick one dude

Brian Atlasyou got to pick one just I told you who I would pick and I told you why I would pick her because you could divorce her yeah exactly yeah okay wait hold on let me okay just I I'll engage with that a little bit but I'm not going to let you

Brian Atlasget away from this Andrew so okay Andrew sorry ladies um so but you have to consummate the

Brian Atlasmarriage yeah then I'd consummate the marriage and then divor that's Andrew I can't you would you would have carnal knowledge of an obese

Brian Atlasfeminine the Cruis The Crucible clip that clip it and Chip it Andrew will have carnal knowledge of an obese pink-haired feminist who

Andrew Wilsonsmells that's not what you said you said consummate isn't consummate isn't that you know what I well no sir in the night of your wedding if you can't get

Andrew Wilsonit up you are still consummating that marriage okay you know what you have I know I tried to give you all these conditionals that you could have changed you know

Brian Atlasyou're being a little you're being consummate Brian not have to have sex with let me just Google consummate hold on you you trickster consumate let me

Brian Atlasjust make sure consummate make Andrew you little trickster okay I googled this make a marriage or relationship complete by having sexual

Brian Atlasintercourse and then go to go to def Def and two you know what defin and two no no because I'm happy with definition one

Andrew Wilsonand I'm yeah no go to defin and two no Andrew we're no this is this is the greed upon definition of this word well there's multiple agreed upon definitions

Brian Atlasof the word which is why there's multiple definitions Brian this is this is the accepted definition by the broader public it's one definition yes

Andrew Wilsonand this was the never get married to a woman if you can't get it up Andrew I used you consumate such a

Brian Atlasmarriage if you can't get it up no but make complete by having sexual intercourse so sure but how but wait a second so you're say any marriage any

Brian Atlasmarriage where the guy can't get it up guy it's not consummated according to definition one technically if you can if if you don't have sexually or technically according

Andrew Wilsonto this definition that is correct it would not be consummated if you have a different definition that's fine but I'm using definition one well and I'm going to go with definition one I'm going to grant definition one in its entirety

Andrew WilsonGrant it what is sexual intercourse does that mean vaginal penetration Andrew do I need to bring you back to health class here yes well

Andrew Wilsonit means vaginal penetration for the purposes of the Andrew your being I you're you're being a little shiy I want to make sure is it if it's vaginal penetration I'll just grant it Brian is

Andrew Wilsoncan we stop with the the pedantry okay okay you know what you're being P I'm just going to say I'm just going to say it's vaginal penetration well then entailed in your scenario this woman we would never be able to consummate our

Andrew Wilsonmarriage because I would never be able to get it up therefore we could never get married I'm trying to give you all

Brian Atlasthe bones in the world here oh but hold on Viagra s Phil mhm yeah we're going to

Andrew Wilsonforced you get forced Viagra Andrew yeah but do you so this is why it's very important that we get into the details does the man have to ejaculate for it to be

Andrew Wilsonconsummated no he doesn't he doesn't have to ejaculate according to the definition so basically I just have to sit there while this beach whale rides me and then I never have to bow to a the rest of my life yeah I'm taking that

Andrew Wilsondeal and divorcing that chick the next day but you don't get another woman you don't get another woman I'm still divorcing that chick the next day and I'm going to become a monk how about you can't divorce her and you got to smash

Andrew Wilsononce a week wait so I have to I have to have sex with this chick once a week yeah like so under

Andrew Wilsonthe so under the hypothetical right under the I just want to make sure I get this right either I bow to a woman or I have to be with the most heinous whale person who's ever

Andrew Wilsonexisted and be put on Viagra and have sex with her once a week now now hang on I just want to make sure remember I told you earlier we were talking I said is does any of this have to do with

Andrew Wilsoncoercion and if there's coercion I'll always say yes Brian how the is this not coercion sir you might have got me there but yeah

Andrew Wilsonthat's coercion so yes under coercion under absolute coercion yes you that's total change it let's change it a little bit okay Andrew so you don't have to

Andrew Wilsonhave sex with her mhm but that's your wife and you can't divorce her and you have to stay with her uh okay all hang on in all conditions stay

Brian Atlasthe same Andrew just oh my Andrew I just want to make sure all conditionals stay the same all external conditionals stay the same look I get it you you want you

Andrew Wilsonwant a fat feminist I get it dude I get it dude but go ahead well hang on if all conditional stay the same then I would still take her and then I would go to a different country and then

Andrew WilsonI would come back without her different country mhm I mean she would get she would get lost in the jungle you

Andrew Wilsonknow you you'd murder her no I didn't say that oh I mean what I'm sorry Brian am I willing to do something bad when

Andrew WilsonI'm forced by a genie to marry a fat heinous feminist who I have to forced to have sex with every week oh Andrew you would do something about that oh what a

Brian Atlasterrible guy first off uh to be to be fair to be charitable you wouldn't have to go to another country you could just go for a

Andrew Wilsonwalk in the woods in Michigan okay it's not I didn't say it well okay what the reason I would go to another country is because I would renounce my US citizenship and then divorce her in that

Brian Atlascountry that's why asked if all things would be equal Brian Andrew this is so bad F it's so bad so bad F so bad faith

Brian Atlasokay so last question and I I the the girls are I got to get the girls back okay well we gave him a nice break anyway yeah you know I you know they've

Brian Atlashad a chance to recharge here okay final question so the choices between these two women you can't go you can't bring the woman into the jungle or the swamp

Brian Atlasor whatever I don't know mhm uh you got to stay with them uh I you can yeah you got to stay with them uh you can never find another woman even if you I give

Brian Atlasyou the grant the whole divorce thing whatever you can't get another woman and this is assuming you don't have kids mhm per uh almost

Andrew Wilsonperfect the woman I described previously MH or the woman yeah I'm taking the woman and that I can get the divorce from I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot B my head to a woman and then that's the end of your bloodline yeah even if it even if it even if it meant for all future men that they could always take a

Andrew Wilsonlook at this one stupid from Michigan who took the worst deal possible and made sure he would not fall on his own sword so that he would not have to bow to a woman and all men took

Brian Atlastheir lead from that forever more I would take that deal yes you know Andrew do you remember earlier on in the conversation when the women over here were saying I'm going to be better looking when I'm 70 Andrew

Brian Atlasthat's you that you I'm going to be better looking when I'm 70 no that the level of delusion I'm sorry you don't you sound that's ridiculous Andrew just general

TTS/Chatdonated $100 this intermission was brought to you by the B University become a master debat today yeah let's pull it up let's pull it up all right guys hang onang

Andrew WilsonBrian Brian I'm Brian I'm dying a hero Brian I'm dying a hero I'm not bowing the head to no I'm not doing it I'm not ever going to bow my head to a woman you know what I've gone 40 years

Andrew Wilsonwithout bowing my head to a woman and and no matter how many genie bottles you come up with I'm going to find the flaw on that contract I ain't

Brian Atlasbowing my head to one now all right hey you know look it is what it is um if you guys want go if you want to learn how to become a master debater you

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Andrew Wilsonum you got to get the course it's at debate university.com now hang on you can tell that Brian has also taken a course in master debating as he has been Master debating better

Andrew Wilsonthan I've ever seen him master debate this Vine evening on whatever so I must admit you have really improved in your master debating skills sir thank you I'm

Brian Atlasa I'm a journeyman Master debater but I'm hoping to one day get to like you know like artist level Master debating so thank you Andrew it's all and a lot all you know a

Andrew Wilsonlot a lot of credit to you you know cuz you know all right let's let's get back I guess we I got to get back to the show yeah

Brian Atlasum can we open the the door a little bit I'm getting a little little sweaty here you know it's It Ain't Easy going up against the king you know if you gonna you gonna what's that saying like if you

Brian Atlasgonna step to the step to the king you got to have your have

Brian Atlasyour what's that come on somebody can any damn bro the thing about take if you're GNA if you're

Brian AtlasGNA scuffed just hide it in hide in OBS hide in OBS streamyard no sources sources sources scroll up scroll up scoll okay

Brian Atlasyou can fix it now um okay sorry guys we had a little technical glitch there okay um would you bow to a

Brian Atlasman me yeah no BR it's crazy dude it's CRA you know what's crazy um wait I have a question for you um you you will work

Brian Atlasa job right yes so uh if your boss tells you five times a week I want you to commute 30 hours in a

Irenecar and then come to work and show up at 8: a.m. will you do it so for me personally I want to be an entrepreneur so that wouldn't really work with you

Brian Atlasdon't have a job right now no is it can you envision yourself in some scenario where you would end up having a traditional job I can Envision

Brian Atlasit okay do you realize most people will have a job that where they have a boss yes okay all right

Brian Atlasso here maybe I should ask somebody else anybody here have a job you got a job yeah what's your job optometrist

Brian Atlasassistant okay you got a job yes I do you got you're a server right yes I'm a server ah okay and you work full-time uh yeah um yeah for

Brian Atlasrestaurants yes mhm and then your boss says show up at this time doesn't he yeah M he says show up at times that maybe you don't prefer right early in the morning well H you're Ser no I'm Ser

Brian AtlasI'm doing evenings but I I know what you mean can I ask the panel question what's the earliest a boss has ever told you I need you here at this time what's the

Brian Atlasearliest ever 6:00 in the morning 600 a.m. 5:30 5:30

Brian Atlasa.m. 3 a 3:00 a.m. okay and if your boss says Hey move that over there has has a boss done that to you before yeah hey I

Brian Atlasneed to move that put it over there can you move that has that like if yeah if she requests me to do something hey can you move this over here maybe they' say it more politely

Brian Atlasbut they ask you to do it right do you do it yes and you uh any other undesirable tasks that the boss has asked you to

Brian Atlasdo is this to me or to anyone I thought how about everything that you do for work is something you otherwise wouldn't do but

Brian Atlasyou're being given money to do it pretty much right yeah that's why we work unless you have

Brian Atlasa job that you so I guess to wrap up the submissive conversation I know we've lingered on it for a while but so women were submissive to their husbands but you've now traded this to be submissive

Brian Atlasto an employer and I would argue that employer is going to ask much more of you than your husband ever

Rachelwill thoughts I think op well I mean the big difference is like the the relationship or relationships in general are personal and the job for me is not personal you know what I mean if like my

Rachelboss ask me something I I don't know even if my boss yells at me I don't I don't like you know what I mean it's a different like a relationship is different the intimacy is different the you know what I mean so like the the

Brian Atlasimplication is different the like what my boyfriend's going to tell me is going to affect me way more than what my boss tell me tell I ask you a question so you said you would not bow

Irenefor your perfect man correct MH and your perfect man would he be a billionaire no oh trillionaire I'm sorry so my are you asking for my ideal

Ireneperfect man no yeah your perfect man would he be a trillionaire no why not my definition of perfect isn't about what's on the outside it's not surface level so

Irenejust to be clear you would not desire to date a trillionaire I just so what are you I feel that everyone's definition of

Ireneperfect is very different I mean if I could ask for everything sure I would enjoy for him to have some money but it wouldn't be like I don't need that much it's not perfect to

Brian Atlasme I would do a lot more than bow to marry a trillionaire but um okay do you realize the amount like wait what else would you do oh Andrew let's not start um what wait what else would you do to

Brian Atlasmarry a trillionaire besides just just bow ran Andrew I will a do you realize that's like a Thousand-Year Dynasty that kind of

Brian Atlasgenerational wealth that that it give me the apron bro you want me to cook I'm cooking I'm Andrew we wait we talked about this remember like a couple weeks

Brian Atlasago I think didn't we say no such conversations no we no I think you even said oh yeah if I could marry a woman a billionaire I would there gaslighting gas no you said it you said it gas

Andrew Wilsonlighting you said dude no gaslighting very feminine Brian trying to gasl me into previous conversation supposedly happened weeks ago they have zero evidence of but okay Brian that's fine it's not a woman think that's men do

Brian Atlasthat a lot gaslighting everybody does don't gas light come on I didn't say that I said everybody does it men do it I'm getting off topic here but um Okay so

Brian Atlastrillionaire not perfect he could he would have all the other traits that would make him perfect right okay okay so he says hey I'm a trillionaire you

Brian Atlasdon't need to do this tarot card reading I want you to stay at home and you don't have to worry about anything I'll pay for

Ireneeverything everything will be taken care of so my perfect man would respect that I have a passion or a hobby and would actually want to support me on creating

Brian Atlasa business for myself he has what's the purpose of a business some people enjoy hold no no no hold on what's the purpose of a business

Irenefor making money to make money right okay he has a trillion dollars right you don't need to make money my objective is not to make money if I'm passionate

Brian Atlasabout something your passion about tarot card reading and selling it can't you do tarot card so but but

Irenehere's the trade-off you don't get to do your tarot card thing and you get to marry a billionaire who's perfect you that's kind of like almost sacrificing my own wants and needs just for a

Brian Atlasperfect relationship which we clearly differ from what we want wait can I ask you question if I paid you a million dollars right now to shave your head would you do it no oh my God

Irenea billion dollars would you do it sure yes but not not for a million okay I actually reacted a little bit so yes I

Andrew Wilsonwould do it for a million dollar for $1,000,000 $1,000 I would not no no no 1,00,000 a

Brian Atlasmillion yeah I mean I said I accidentally you know reacted too quick so I okay she'll do it for a million okay I don't know I was just curious I've always been curious about that any

Brian Atlasgirl who would not shave their head for a million

Brian Atlasdollars why I mean it'll grow back within a few years and you can get a wig you can get a really nice wig I mean I can't imagine like any

Brian Atlasanyone who's intelligent assuming like look if you were a billionaire maybe I could see like I'm not going to take the million or you have I don't know 10 2030

Andrew Wilsonmillion why would you not take the million I take it I you wouldn't and then Emma would I shave my head I mean get the she's like she's like

Andrew WilsonBrian I'm a troll but I'm a smart troll go get the razor blade get the razor um okay

Brian Atlasum so you wouldn't give up the tarot card thing for a trillionaire who's perfect but how would that be perfect to me if that's not the ideal kind of life that I

Irenewant it's like a hypothetical so it's like would you the they're the best person but there's this one downside it's not just like a little downside for

Ireneme because it's something that consists of my entire life almost it's my passion it's a part of my spirituality it's something that I want to constantly learn more about so for me to just give

Brian Atlasthat up because someone wants me to is a big big sacrifice I thought you were are you religious at all or just I am religious which religion Christian oh Andrew is going to love this get one sec

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