ONLY 4 SHOWS LEFT? She USES Men?! FEMCEL? CHARGING For Dates?! Wheelchair Dating! | Dating Talk #218

Date: 2024-12-04

Duration: 8h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRiri (Rachel)>

CCassie (DT218)>

MMelena (DT218)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(host)

SPEAKER_02Nikki(guest)

SPEAKER_03Background(audience)

SPEAKER_04Luna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Background(audience)

SPEAKER_06D Cav (DJ)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Jay Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_09Background(audience)

SPEAKER_10Ali Corin(guest)

SPEAKER_11Riri (Rachel)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Melena(guest)

SPEAKER_14Cassie(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAli Corin introduces herself: wheelchair dancer, 27, from Fresno area, moved to Santa Barbara. Ambulatory wheelchair user — has genetic condition causing daily joint dislocations and a TBI. Has had wheelchair for ~4 years.

“my name is Ali Corin I am 27 and I just moved to Santa Barbara and I am a professional dancer for my wheelchair”

IntroNikki introduces herself: 25, exotic dancer, originally from Cambodia, adopted and raised in Northern California, moved to LA 2 years ago.

“my name is Nikki I'm 25 um I'm originally from Cambodia and I was adopted and brought to Northern California and I moved to LA 2 years ago and I'm an exotic dancer”

IntroRiri introduces herself: 19, pre-law student, wheelchair dancer. Paralyzed at age 8 from botched scoliosis surgery; further paralyzed at 16 from transverse myelitis (mono killed her spinal cord).

“my name is Riri I'm 19 um I'm currently a pre-law student um I also do wheelchair dancing”

IntroCassie introduces herself: 31, mental health advocate, New York, dropped out of psychology. Was diagnosed with ASPD/psychopathy but rediagnosed as Alexithymia. Never had an orgasm. Has underdeveloped amygdala.

“my name is Cassie I'm 31 I'm a mental health Advocate and I live in New York”

IntroD Cav introduces herself: 23, babysitter from Chicago (now LA). Does not have a job beyond babysitting 3x a week.

“my name is D Cav I'm 23 years old and I really don't do anything but I babysit”

IntroMelena introduces herself: 22, personal trainer and Reiki practitioner from LA. NASM certified. Reiki practitioner certified after rehab experience.

“I'm Melena I'm 22 I'm from La mhm um I'm a personal trainer and a raiki practitioner”

IntroJay Hannah introduces herself: 33, Instacart worker, Hollywood CA. Originally from small town North Dakota. Bachelor's in journalism.

“my name is j Hannah I'm 33 years old and I live in Hollywood California Los Angeles... I work for instacart full-time”

IntroLuna introduces herself: 26, exotic dancer and clothing designer, LA. Plans to study pharmacy/become a psychiatrist.

“my name is Luna and I'm 26 years old um currently I am an exotic dancer and I make personal clothing”

Key MomentAli reveals she does not date cisgender men because she is 'not attracted to people born with male privilege.' Brian and Andrew probe the logic at length, eventually Ali clarifies this is tied to childhood trauma (sexual abuse). Generates extended philosophical debate.

“I don't date cisgender men... I'm not attracted to people who are born with male privilege”

QuoteNikki recounts that one of her abusive ex-boyfriends pointed a gun at her face and she had to beg for her life; later another strangled her. She stayed partly because she couldn't leave her pet chinchillas.

“one tried to shoot me like twice... I was crying begging him to stop... the other one just like strangled me”

ControversyMelena recounts that when she was 17 she was sneaking out to meet men from Tinder who knew she was 17. The oldest was 30. Brian notes this was a crime in California. Melena says she was escaping abuse at home and seeking alcohol.

“when I was 17 I would sneak out and meet up with older guys online... the oldest was 30 when I was 17 and they knew I was 17”

ControversyCassie discusses her self-identification as a former 'femcel.' She no longer identifies as one after going on YouTube channels and receiving thousands of emails from interested men. Dispute with Brian and Andrew over whether femcels can truly exist since women can always access sex.

“I used to consider myself a fem cell but I'm no longer a fem cell because I'm around like a lot of guys”

ControversyD Cav admits she is still sleeping with the ex-boyfriend who cheated on her 17 times, solely to keep her body count low. Brian and panel react with shock and humor.

“I'm seeing that X right now... only for sex... I'm not going to up my body count that's literally the only reason why”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.

“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst”

QuoteJay reveals her worst ex was a SoundCloud rapper with face tattoos who was homeless when she met him, became an alcoholic, wouldn't let her work or go to the gym, criticized her constantly, and she gained 30 lbs during the relationship.

“he was homeless when we met... he wouldn't let me work... I gained 30 lbs when I was in that relationship”

Key MomentAndrew challenges the guests who rated themselves 9-10 to identify their female beauty standard, then pulls up photos showing they bear no resemblance to the women they cited (Zendaya, Elsa Hosk, Beyoncé). Argues that claiming to be a 10 while naming a clearly more attractive woman as the standard is 'slightly narcissistic.'

“if you consider all of these women to be tens and you declared yourself to be an eight nine or ten how could you be... if this woman who you stated was the kind of epitome of perfect Beauty do you look like them — the answer from both tens was yes”

Key MomentBrian argues it is not 'straight' for a cisgender man to date a transgender woman because sex (not gender) defines sexual orientation. Ali and Jay initially disagree, then concede based on Brian's definitional argument. Brian also says the word 'cisgender' offends him; Ali agrees to stop using it around him.

“two males having sex regardless of your gender identity that would be a homosexual act that would be gay it would not be straight”

ControversyBrian gives the 'paternity uncertainty' evolutionary psychology argument for why men prefer low body count women. Ali challenges this as hypocritical since high-body-count men contribute to raising women's body counts. Extended debate with Brian, Ali, and Andrew.

“it's just evolutionary it's just biological... paternity uncertainty... evolutionarily hardwired into men”

QuoteCassie, slightly drunk, reveals she has zero consensual sexual experiences (body count 0) but a BJ count of 7, and that men she's dated have declined to sleep with her because they 'don't want to take advantage of her' due to her autism/Alexithymia.

“consensual zero zero but BJ count seven... a lot of men refuse to have sex with me... they say I don't want to take advantage of you”

OtherAndrew Wilson wraps up his participation and says farewell to the panel around the 6:47 mark.

“very happy to have met all of you my heart out here at 3:00 eastern time... I hope you guys all have a great night”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Setup

Brian opens the show with announcements (streamlabs, Twitch, Discord, WoW guild), then goes around the table for guest introductions: name, age, location, occupation. Guests introduced: Ali Corin (wheelchair dancer), Nikki (Cambodian adoptee/exotic dancer), Riri (pre-law/wheelchair), Cassie (mental health advocate), D Cav (babysitter), Melena (personal trainer/reiki), Jay Hannah (Instacart), Luna (exotic dancer). Andrew Wilson introduced last as co-host.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares current relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom. Highlights: Ali in 2-year polyamorous relationship; Nikki single ~1 year (traumatized by two abusive ex-relationships); Riri single 8 months; Cassie never been in a relationship (femcel discussion); D Cav still sleeping with her cheating ex (camera guy); Melena single 6 months dating a drug addict; Jay single 2.5 years; Luna recently out of a relationship in September 2024.

Ali's Attraction to 'Non-Male-Privilege' People

Extended discussion of Ali Corin's stated reason for not dating cisgender men — 'I'm not attracted to people born with male privilege.' Brian and Andrew probe the logic: does privilege hierarchy matter (e.g., a black man from Compton vs. a billionaire Latina)? Ali clarifies her attraction is also trauma-based (abuse history). Andrew draws parallels to his own philosophical positions on gender pronouns and Orthodox Christianity.

Femcel Discussion

Cassie introduces herself as a former 'femcel' (female involuntarily celibate). Brian, Andrew, and Cassie unpack the term: true involuntary celibacy vs. voluntary celibacy with standards. Brian argues femcels can't truly exist because women can always access sex. Cassie agrees she can no longer identify as a femcel after going viral and receiving thousands of emails from men. Cassie advocates for femcels in Discord communities she participates in.

Pre-Show Notes & Stories

Brian goes through each guest's submitted pre-show notes: Riri's unhinged wheelchair dating app stories; Melena's catfish furniture-assembly scheme; Nikki's two abusive exes (gun incident, strangulation); D Cav's cheating camera-guy ex; Jay's lake cabin Tinder story, $200/day rich man, porn star hookup; Ali's all-queer honey bunny group; Cassie's femcel journey and viral MRI video. Major topics include: ho phases, sex work, toxic relationships.

Wheelchair Dating & Etiquette

Riri and Ali discuss the unique challenges of dating in wheelchairs: uninvited lifting/pushing by dates, dating app responses ranging from fetish to pity, etiquette for able-bodied people, and why Riri chooses not to date another wheelchair user (practical support reasons).

Self-Ratings & Beauty Standards

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Most rate themselves 7-10. Andrew then challenges those who rated themselves 9-10 by asking them to name their female beauty standard (e.g., Zendaya, Victoria's Secret Angels, Beyoncé, Megan Fox) and then showing photos — pointing out they don't actually resemble their stated standards. Discussion about narcissism, whether high self-ratings are narcissistic, and the relationship between attractiveness and dating patterns.

AI Age Progression Photos

Damian displays AI-generated age-progression and age-regression photos of each guest. Guests and Andrew react to how they might look older. D Cav gets 'blue eyes' which confuses everyone. Brian shows a real photo of his ex-girlfriend (Japanese woman) bowing when he returned home late from a podcast, sparking a discussion about traditional female behavior.

Questionnaire Round

Brian reads from a prepared questionnaire: bear vs. man in the forest; height requirements; minimum income requirements; sugar daddies and pay pigs; witchcraft and manifestation; narcissist dating; the gender wage gap; WNBA pay; women's career attractiveness; body count discussion (high body count double standard, men preferring low body count women, paternity uncertainty argument); whether marriage is a bad deal for men; whether you can be sexist toward men; trans women and straight men debate; and whether men put in more effort than women.

Trans Women, Straight Men, & Language Debate

Brian asks panelists whether it's straight for a cisgendered man to date a trans woman. Ali and Jay disagree (say yes, it would be straight). Brian and Andrew argue heterosexual refers to biological sex, not gender identity. Andrew and Brian also discuss Brian finding the term 'cisgender' offensive; Ali eventually agrees to stop using it around Brian if he finds it offensive.

Body Count & Double Standards Debate

Extended back-and-forth between Ali, Brian, and Andrew on whether it's hypocritical for high-body-count men to prefer low-body-count women. Brian argues evolutionary psychology (paternity uncertainty) justifies men's preference. Ali counters that men contribute to high female body counts and that the same logic should apply to women's standards for men. Andrew dissects the definition of hypocrisy. Guests then reveal their body counts: Nikki ~15 (BJ ~20), Riri ~8, Cassie 0 (BJ 7), D Cav 12, Melena ~10 (lost count), Jay lost count (high).

Andrew Wilson Departure

Andrew wraps up his participation around the 6:47 mark, bidding farewell to the panel. He notes he has no ill will despite contentious exchanges, particularly with Ali. Brian thanks him and directs viewers to The Crucible channel.

Roast Session & Final TTS

Brian lowers TTS price to $20 for a roast session. Chat sends roast messages targeting various guests. Political discussion (who voted for Kamala, who voted for Trump). Brian shows video of his Japanese ex-girlfriend bowing. D Cav reveals she's on Ozempic. Cassie gets drunk (had been drinking since arriving from a flight). Final call to action to stop sex work. Brian wraps up the show.

Transcript

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D Cav (DJ)more like Independent Women are more attractive yes yes that's what I feel like Independent Women like women that make money more attractive Independent Women are more attractive if they're

D Cav (DJ)attractive that's how dud see wait wait I mean I don't want her life to be a total [ __ ] show mess but like so but like independent like she's confidently knowing what the [ __ ] she's doing with

Brian Atlasher life you know like independent type of like would you find that career career anything like you know like she's she's she's confident about being or just like not relying on you for everything yeah but like yeah so you

Melenawould think that was more attractive right like yeah CU actually I'm not say that Ari that as my opinion I'm a babysitter okay you do that like

Melena12 hours a week or something yeah like uh well it's like I babysit three different families okay all right what were you that's good money that's why I put that as my opinion because all of my guy friends they aren't attracted to a

Melenagirl if they're not independent and like have a passion and really like that's she creates like new passions like every day I mean I guess there's like the I'm just kidding what is that the the

Jay Hannahhobosexuals who like they're looking wait who had that somebody I'm pretty sure that was my ex was a homosexual he was a homosexual homosexual it's like a broke guy who's like trying to live with a

Melenachick and she so oh that's like oh so he has sex with her they live with her yeah basically oh oh y I think there's another term for it but uh anyways whatever like squatting or something yeah one of my close guy friends is in a

Melenalong-term relationship and he was telling me the other day like I'm not going to marry this person because she's only making this amount of money annually but does he make more than that

Brian Atlashe's Rich As [ __ ] why care good question well I mean the only thing I could think of is like he's thinking okay well if I marry her and she's not making any money

Brian Atlasand if the relationship ends then like in the event of a divorce uh she's taking everything but I think that's looking at it has to do with drive from the re what's that I feel like if you look at it from that perspective you're

Brian Atlasgoing into a relationship like thinking about if you're going to a relationship thinking about the divorce then like yeah but I think that has more to that's not anything to do with attraction it's

Brian Atlasmore like he's trying to like protect his own finances but I don't think he would be like more attract like the girl's more

Brian Atlasattractive because his words was that she's going nowhere in life well he's in a relationship with her so he's obviously like she but so hot oh my God

Melenabut that's kind of [ __ ] up you tell her that he's going to dump her no he told me this like drunk in confidence so I don't feel like it's my place I might not even remember telling I want to get involved I I would have got involved

Jay Hannahjust something something I will say too I want to add to this is I've spent time around a lot I've spent time around some men who they're either Rich already or they're very ambitious and it's like a lot of them they want someone who kind

Jay Hannahof also just has that drive an asset not someone that's going to spend all their money exctly like they want someone who like a woman who like like they know isn't going to depend on them for everything yeah the other thing too is

Jay Hannahlike when a woman makes more money it's like she can afford to become hotter cuz you know he can afford like nicer clothes better quality skin care healthier food especially you know when you get older too like those things

Cassiebecome more important for staying hot I agree yeah yeah I by the way to anyone that emails me I'm not saying your name or information I'm super scared right now cuz I'm talking about

Lunapeople's business this but it's okay you're not saying any names so you're okay saying any names yeah yeah I'm good C okay Cassie okay Cassie she's like oh wait I

Brian Atlashippo violated oh she drank a little too much and did a hippo not a therapist yet don't worry not yet um all right next one uh okay

Brian AtlasNikki uh the statement is women care more about looks than men do you're 50/50 in terms of disagreeing I didn't

Brian Atlaseven read that one dark cavia you disag dark dark lady can I call you dark lady dark laia

D Cav (DJ)whoa have you seen it no no sorry okay wow damn that was just a play on words I don't know what it looks

Brian Atlaslike you would never know what it looks like is it pink yes surprisingly all right inappropriate in appropriate you

Melenainappropriate uh dark can I just call you he said you hotter than DJ y DJ DJ play that back um are you can call be dark I feel like that'd be kind of racist that's lowy not

Cassieon the podcast uh you said I mean you're pretty lightskinned too she's so lightskinned yes go with your makeup women care more women care more about looks than men do

Brian Atlasyou disagree and then Laura you also disagree women care more I think y'all care more about looks than men do you know what I mean y'all care way more about them

Nikkilooks I I still think it's 50/50 because I've heard from Plenty of men that they definitely care about how a girl looks and all that and then I've definitely heard from us that we care so I really think it's whether it's body or they're

D Cav (DJ)looking for a specific face or whatever they they have their I think it's even look who's back [ __ ] Ali I think my past

D Cav (DJ)experience your past experiences from men men like the ones I've dated not good they're I I know I'm based off personality yes I know I'm based off personality she's definely personality I

Brian Atlasthink my only position on this is just like there's I feel like there's a lot of things that when it comes to looks women care a decent amount about uh that are totally out of men's control but

Brian Atlaslike like height yeah like okay so height hair and penis size all three are totally out of man's control absent like surgical intervention and some guys care

Cassieabout hair too like a as as someone who has curly hair some guys are like no just cuz you have curly hair that's fair guys care about hair a lot because I

Cassiehave nappy hair and I wore a wig today and I have 11 in of hair which is a decent amount of hair for a black girl and my cousin told me to wear a wig are you we are you wearing a wig of course

CassieI'm wearing a wig you don't see this lace can I have it of course yes you could have no like here I'll put it on right now thr around um I have to like I have to put some water in a com in my hair oh you got to like take the glue

Jay Hannahoff or yeah you know what you're talking about you have whoa uh another thing I think too is I think for a lot of people it's like the lifestyle yeah yeah like I know for me

Jay Hannahit's like you know I want a guy who goes to the gym eats healthy like dresses nice has a skare routine but it's like that's lifestyle things like he has control over that like a guy can control

Melenahow many days he goes to the gym for me all of my exes were below average down there and they were just funny and they were addicts so and I know a lot of guys

Cassiecare about like sh addicts in the chat vag do care about how wom look cuz when I was 230 lb nobody looked at me do you have a question for you since how many

Brian Atlasaddicts have you dated drug addicts drug addicts slept with or dated dat we'll do dat no let's do slept

Melenawith dated would be okay three three slept with I don't even remember some of

Andrew Wilsonthem numbers are counting um i' say like

Andrew Wilsonbetween probably like 10 and half of them were sober they were sober or you were sober both when you had the wait oh X all all

Melenaall who have ever put the P to the V right I would say 10 total and like half of them were before I got sober and they weren't sober and then half we were

Brian Atlasboth sober three relationships you said three relationships with that do you like going in do you have a preference for either like when you were dating current addicts like do you have a

Brian Atlaspreference for the drug of choice and then also like e like their ex drug of choice like the ex the exh heroin addicts like yes but X meth no

Melenaor um the last four years of dating addicts so out of the addicts I've dated go for speci they were sober and then

Melenarelapse but what their drug of choice was before sobriety was like heroin crack math in that order or

Melenaum first boyfriend was crack um second one was fentanyl actually oh and um third third was meth and

Melenaheroin and the guy I'm seeing right now used to do Choice heroin give me cotton M thinking about it but he's to your sober so so what I've what I've gathered

Lunafrom tonight's panel from YouTube is at one if you show up to do a photo shoot without a camera you're why we running it back why are we running it

Andrew Wilsonback chill out get long going down she's going relationship from a woman uh even if you cheat on her like 17 times and then I also gathered from this panel

Andrew Wilsonthat if you do a whole shitload of drugs you're probably also going to get a chick that's I mean so I think uh I think that we have established that basically being a complete and total

Melenapiece of [ __ ] if you're a man P off for me dating them to the fact that I was sober and they were sober also cuz it's really hard for me to date people that aren't

Brian Atlassober wait but how about would you date somebody though that is sober no no no is sober but never had a drug problem um

Melenaor do you prefer to date that but I I think it also I would prefer an my therapist said I should stop dating ex addicts but I like it because they get

Brian Atlaswhy I'm sober and I hate hate having to explain oh to people um so I think it's it I like feeling understood okay that's fair that is fair uh okay so we ever get

Andrew Wilsonthat number you want the guy to have the same like deep lore we didn't get the number deep he which number which number well you're right you you put up the little math thing for

Melenaher what oh yeah say like 10 and half were probably we were both on drugs and half we were both sober all right uh let's see okay I'll move it on then uh

Brian Atlaswe have anything for eight uh no no no okay uh a lot of you disagreed

Brian Atlasthough ali uh so statement is dating is easier for women to which Ally you disagreed Rachel

Brian Atlasdisagreed uh DJ agreed Melena agreed Jay you disagree Laura you disagreed dating uh dating

Jay Hannaheasier for uh you guys think dating easier for who for women it's hard for everyone it's rough for all of us the one thing I

Melenalearned are G stripping is guys will take anything that's pretty and has a pulse so like for me I'm

Melenalike 99% of guys would have sex with me but there's a very low amount that would hate me I mean there's a lot of it seems like a lot of addicts are lining up they

Melenalining up yeah the addicts man it's out the door with the atcts but I think for guys it's a lot harder like there's less options especially with

Lunasex mhm I personally find it way too easy to date I have like a every like guy that I'm with wants to be in like this longterm like they always want to like date and I have that opposite

D Cav (DJ)problem and I'm just like I'm here for fun bro yeah I just think I honestly think that why it's easier for women to date is because they can get anything like they can get any Man simply just because they have what they what they have in between their legs um

D Cav (DJ)but men it's harder because women are picky about who they go for and like cuz they're so teen on the public eye and like you know like do they make me look good and just like they're so picky when it comes to men and [ __ ] but men that's

Cassiewhy it's harder for men to freaking yeah women are picky for what they go for that's why the birth rates are declining no that's not birth rates I

Andrew Wilsonknow the birth rates are declining because of the valuation of Education over fertile years that's the only reason they're declining but that aside to the panel very happy to have met all

Andrew Wilsonof you my heart out here at 3:00 uh eastern time uh I don't hold any ill will though we've had some contentiousness in the conversation that

Andrew Wilsonis my job here is to give necessary push back to your positions M and I did enjoy the uh the various conversations and I hope you guys all have a great night yo Andrew thank you so much uh for joining

Brian Atlasus tonight do appreciate itk you for us send us over the uh Crucible and uh and we will welcome them with uh Open Arms thank you so much Andrew hope you guys hope you have a uh yeah a little

Brian Atlasless tonight we had a for some reason the stream crashed I don't know why um and it automatically started a new stream I've never seen that before that's strange yeah you you your signal

Brian Atlasgave out to us briefly so maybe it was just a did you ever get that Verizon thing I told you about the I did yeah I haven't set it up yet though oh get it you got and yeah I'll

Brian Atlasset up get it set it up get it it's it's a lifesaver anyways all right guys have a great night thank you for the a good night and we're have a good night thanks for having us and uh we're we're pretty

Brian Atlasclose to uh being finished with everything then we're going to do a rast session then wrap up the show um this is kind of similar to this a lot of you disagreed also with men put in more effort than women when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating I don't think they put enough effort I think I disagree to that sometimes depending cuz I it could be the case that men don't put in enough effort but maybe it's not the effort we're looking for I think it's fair to

Nikkisay men put in more effort than women depends CU in my relationship I've been putting in my relationship in my relationship you put in all the effort I do too not all of it but more for I have

Brian Atlasto say OPP put in more effort than women I need to start putting in more effort disagrees with that statement Melena disagrees I don't know man y'all y'all

Brian Atlasyou saw my track record you're not surprised that I put more effort do you though I do I I am confident that when I'm sober I'm a really good partner okay I'm going to um unless I mean really

Brian Atlasjust ultimately my position is that on that one it seems to me that certainly during the initial stages uh men are putting in like orders of magnitude more effort because there is like not all

Brian Atlaswomen but typically there's going to be an expectation on the guy like he's got to make the first move and like the first move entails like a lot of individual steps like for example uh

Brian Atlaseither let's say even if it's on the dating app he's got this he's got to send the first message but if it's in person he's probably going to be the one who has to approach you he's got to kind of carry the conversation initially if he is approaching you he's got to sort

Brian Atlasof make the Overture to like get your number he's got to like follow up with you text to you etc etc ask for the date plan the date pay for the date I PID for

Brian Atlasevery dinner the first 6 months of my last relationship bro just kidding I have no problem approaching the guy first good okay I have no problemes the guy first okay let me tell you why let

D Cav (DJ)me tell you why let me tell you the reason why I always CU I think I believe that men love women that are more assertive that will take action literally they like I promise you I can

D Cav (DJ)pull any freaking man yeah any man well so but you said you can pull any guy yeah but the thing no no no not not that like I mean like on I'm like when you do approach it's always

Brian Atlassuccessful though right the confidence like no no it's not that it's not always seful because sometimes they're not into your here how about this who's who faces more rejection romantically in general

Ali Corinmen or women AB okay so like yeah I'm dating harder for but imagine imagine a girl coming up to you he mentioned earlier just like there's more men that approach women so of course they're going to get rejected more yeah well I

Brian Atlasmean I would say even if women at least when it comes to like sort of how the gender Dynamics are currently uh yes

Brian Atlasmore W or excuse me more men do approach it's probably 99% differential but uh I would argue that if even if we were to

Brian Atlasequalize the rates at which men and women approach uh women are going to be like just way more successful although you perhaps you could argue like you

Brian Atlaswould see some changes if you truly equalized it but as a woman if you do approach in the current status quo uh your o like your success rate is going

Brian Atlasto be really high compared to a guy of the Gap right yeah like really high and then also I would add on top of that even if the guy has like a girlfriend or he's not interested he's likely to take

Brian Atlasthis as super flattering and he's going to probably respect let you down whereas like women can respectfully like let down men but they're much more likely to get like creepy guy Factor up creep and

Brian Atlasthey're going to like I don't know then they start cussing you out saying you're not hot I don't even like you you're not hot I don't want you anyways yeah I mean retaliation but uh or wait I'm trying to

Brian Atlasthink what I was uh what the men put in more effort but all at all these points and even like so I think I left off that they have to ask for the first date plan for the first date when they're on the date I like men have to lead lead there

Brian Atlasit's not that I feel I know men have to lead there and then from there uh if we want to move things forward we have to kind of initiate from there want to come

Brian Atlasback to my place at my place go for the first kiss move things forward from there sexually move things forward physically uh and then if there's second if that doesn't happen that night there's going to be second third fourth

Cassiefifth date where like you have to basically repeat some of those steps until that's because men are The Gatekeepers of relationships and women are The Gatekeepers of sex so you sound

Brian Atlasdrunk too I am drunk yeah why bro who's been oh my God we don't like to make an edit how many times CRA one under the table it's okay it's okay Cassie I

Brian Atlasaccept your apology you alcoholic you you didn't join the club sis I rarely drink I just drank cuz I came to California and then moving on to the

Brian Atlasnext one we only have like three more of the uh DJ you said it's uh here's the prompt acceptable for a man to refuse to date a woman because she is

Brian Atlasoverweight you disagree like yes like if he has every right to ref oh okay never mind then so you agree with the prompt it's a bit of a some of these are

D Cav (DJ)kind of like double negative okay so yeah because like my eyes like they how do I put it like it's a preference yeah like it's a never mind then um

Brian Atlasthe next prompt is it's fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date you disagree DJ uh I think you're the only no Laura

D Cav (DJ)also disagrees wrong to ask a woman her body count on the first day yes wouldn't that be like the perfect time to ask it no because I honestly we we are all we are all grown we are all grown I don't know why nobody is actually giving a [ __ ] about who how many people I [ __ ]

D Cav (DJ)and how many people they [ __ ] we are all grown nobody gives a [ __ ] about that [ __ ] I mean if a guy cares I would rather them leave I'm like okay yeah dude like you want to know my body count it's me leaving out the door like that's my body count like I would not like when

D Cav (DJ)if you ask me about my body count I'm like I will look at them dumbfounded because we are grown people especially the why I go ahead and ask I don't think you're

MelenaPOS resp it's like when you're older of course you're going to have more experience in most in most cases I think it's okay for them to care so I'd rather them ask me right away then I know that they're the type to care and I don't waste my time exactly if they care I'd

D Cav (DJ)rather be up about why we talking just assume that he just wanted to have sex and let me talk or what I said why I said why are we bringing up the past

D Cav (DJ)though like agreed I'm what do you mean why why are we talking about the like how many people other people I [ __ ] aren't you just worried about if I'm going to [ __ ] you like we agree with

Melenathat we're saying if the guy is the type to care I would rather find out that he's a piece of [ __ ] that cares before he wastes a month of my time I have never I have never I have never ever went on a date and a guy have ever asked

D Cav (DJ)my body count never good yeah I never have a either if I'm dating you you have every right to know because you don't even have a right to know then but still if I'm dating you and you ask me sure you I I'll tell you I won't lie to you

D Cav (DJ)you were you were saying something like a minute ago you wanted to jump it was the same thing that she was saying oh okay yeah my past is my past why we digging it up why why are we digging up

D Cav (DJ)P like it's not really that important wouldn't you want to know like if no I would not want to know what he's been through what about if he was a cheater oh well you don't care but how but why would I but why would cuz if he was a

D Cav (DJ)past cheater doesn't mean he's a cheater now like like but people do say if she wants a cheater always a cheater but I don't believe that do you believe in that do you believe that Brian have you

Ali Corincheated have you cheated Brian so I'll answer your question so calm down chill out chill out I think we want a body count and all these

Brian Atlasdetails no look could somebody have cheated in the past and then could they then move on to Future relationships and never cheat sure absolutely um but like

Brian Atlasif somebody has like a pattern of behavior like it is something to consider and like I I wouldn't be I wouldn't fault somebody like if they discovered that the person they're going

Brian Atlason the first date with they find out oh this person she on their last three relationships I don't think it'd be wrong for them to be like oh that's your past I'm going to not date you because of your past but like how would you find that out unless unless you really start

D Cav (DJ)digging and why are you digging like about something you don't want to know about yeah that's actually just par that's literally is wor yeah but that's that's mentally self harm you're me you're just hurting yourself digging that information up wait on cuz how else would you have known that wait are you

Brian Atlasrunning on the pretense like you would rather a woman have a lower body count well I'll I'll come to that in just a sec I do want to respond to your thing though um wouldn't it be you're saying like protect your mind right but wouldn't it be like if you found out

Brian Atlassomething about somebody that was like O Okay because of EX I don't want to date them that would be like moving more towards wanting to protect your peace of mind or whatever because like oh this is

Brian Atlasthey're going to cheat on for example with the cheating thing um oh I guess I really liked this person but now I don't want to date them because they're cheater yeah that sucks but it I think it'd be worse to get into a relationship

Brian Atlaswith them not knowing they're a cheater and then they cheat on you and then you just got cheated so but how would you find out they're a cheater because you care me you care too much but it's like you a l of people aren't you literally

D Cav (DJ)said you literally said that you don't like going through your man's phone why cuz I know I'll find something I don't like exctly that's exactly why you don't you don't dig you don't dig unless you want to find something you don't want to I want the truth I want the truth even

D Cav (DJ)if the truth sucks the same freaking way but I used to be like that I want the truth but I'm not going to go through that but some things you just don't want to find out anymore uh you had a question for me

Ali Corinyeah are you saying that you'd rather have a lower body count a you mean a woman to have a lower okay so then you guys were also talking about how like men just want to [ __ ] and then the first thing that they want is to [ __ ] so wouldn't the ratio kind of like for all

Brian Atlaswomen be higher because like all of these men want to [ __ ] them so wait hold on let me wrap my head around this so you're saying that there's a pool of men that are tainting all the women for

Brian Atlasright cuz like you all want a lower body count but you all want to [ __ ] a bunch of wom yeah so you're saying okay I I see what you're saying you're saying like Okay men you're saying men they want these

Brian Atlaslow body count women but they're contributing to this very Problem by [ __ ] a lot of women for game literally just to [ __ ] it takes two to tango sure but like as women You're The Gatekeepers right so like nothing is

Ali Corincompelling you as a woman to sleep with a guy so we all need to say so like you say a man would say anything he wants to say to [ __ ] a woman some men not all men but yeah some men but it's your so wouldn't they be contributing sorry yeah

Ali Corinsure I I don't disagree with you that men some Not all men some men are contributing yeah that's all I mean I'm not saying women aren't the problem I'm not saying anything about that I'm just saying you're admitting you're causing a

D Cav (DJ)problem for your own wants and needs that's all okay sure uh all women just need to say no to sex but that's never going to happen just cut it all not me but you to sex you're

Brian Atlasfree Jo the dark side boo so and you were gone I I'm going to jump back a little bit just cuz you were gone but there's one that you disagreed with acceptable for high body count men to prefer to date low body count virgin

Brian Atlaswomen this is kind of tying into this this one uh you disagree with that can you phrase it again because the devil natives are killing me sure acceptable for high body count men so a guy with a

Brian Atlashigh body count to prefer to date low body count virgin women disagree with this prompt I mean I think I literally just explained that that I think it's crap that they want to go and say well I want a low body count but I'm going to

Ali Corinrank up a bunch of women's body count because I have a higher one I think it's I think it's crap do I think it's like in the terms of acceptable do I think they are allowed men are allowed to do

Brian Atlaswhat they want clearly they do do what they want so you okay you OB to their past conduct and then them then wanting

Brian Atlasafter contributing to the very problem of women with high body counts uh you it's kind of like well you contributed to the problem and you want a low body

Brian Atlascount women woman but there's all these high body count women out there because of your very own conduct correct exactly but isn't that that's I I suppose that's

Brian Atlasfair to say in so far as they contributed to it but again I like as far I don't think we disagree though you said like well yeah they can they're allowed to want that so they're allowed to want whatever they want but I think

Brian Atlasit's a little [ __ ] yeah but can men are the same exact way men totally you literally just agreed though you said like they contributing to the problem that they want no I I agree that they're

Brian Atlascontributing to it but I don't think it's [ __ ] for them to despite this want a woman with a low body count I don't think that's

Brian Atlas[ __ ] what would you think it is give me a word preference preference girls have preference too yeah women have preferences your friend over here is in a wheelchair she doesn't

Ali Corinwant to dat a guy in a wheelchair that's oh is that dou at least hers was based in practicality of reaching the back burner yours is just like I want it so there I get it well hold on there's plenty of reasons to prefer to date

Brian Atlassomebody with a low body count give me a practical reason is every person you're with to know that you're below average look okay STDs you don't want them to know your they get a test yeah sure but

Brian Atlaslike this is this is a consideration tab and the thing is like yes they can get a test but like a lot of people uh could lie right they could lie majority of stvs now can either be cured or treated

Brian Atlasso that they are soow that they are not detectable be passed on then maybe just take that youd ones HPV these things are you know can't get rid of them but you can get a test

Brian Atlasex you just eliminate that by asking for a test uh you could but like here how about this practically speaking do you think most people who engage in a sexual encounter are getting both partners are

Brian Atlasgetting tested by I never said that but I'm basing off of your preference like in reality we can talk about like St hold on hold on but like yeah we can talk about like STD testing but like practically speaking living in reality

Ali Corinmost people are not getting full panel STD T if you want to find someone with a low body count due to the fact that you don't want to catch an STD you may eliminate that issue

Brian Atlasgetting testing yeah so I can give you some other reasons too why men care about body count so okay first off there's just this I don't know if you'll even find this compelling but this is I

Brian Atlasthink the biggest basis for why men care about this uh it's just evolutionary it's just biological for men so it comes down to paternity certainty or Pat

Brian Atlasexcuse me paternity uncertainty so for example if a woman is sleeping with multiple men and they're all blasting inside or whatever or even if there's infidelity she's cheating if a woman

Brian Atlasgets pregnant right and again I know there's like DNA tests and abortion AB or birth control no no no hold on hold on so and force upon so this is why it's important

Brian Atlasthough so and this is it's like an there's an evolutionary disgust response for for men when it comes to promise cuu in women for this is one of the reasons aside from like STDs and just kind of like the fact that would be gross to like I don't know if some dude just

Brian Atlas[ __ ] a girl and then you [ __ ] her like right after there's still like common that that's just gross on its face but evolutionarily speaking evolu yeah okay yeah detail right evolutionarily

Ali Corinspeaking so if a woman is sleeping with 10 men MH right who's the who's the father okay so then let's back up to the actual question cuz you're referring to the fact that you don't want to date

Ali Corinwoman who's actively having sex with other men at the same time as you we're referring to body count past right but so that could be proxy for body count and so that's a conversation though I

Brian Atlasmean we can just right okay so a woman who's been celibate for a year and she's previously had uh let's say she previously was promiscuous past one of the one of the

Brian Atlasmajor principles in Psychology is past behavior is a major predictor for future Behavior so somebody who's promiscuous is probably and they've actually done studies on that there like cheaters that you just said that cheaters can change

Brian Atlasright yeah sure okay so then can't women change they can't yes a cheater can change but I would still preclude a past cheater in terms of dating just because somebody can do something doesn't mean I

Brian Atlashave to accept dating them okay but in any case I do want to finish off on the paternity uncertainty thing this is very this is hardwired in so it's and even if it's just due to body count a woman who

Brian Atlashas a promiscuous past ride again it could relate and it could be proxy for like a simultaneous degree of promiscuity right and so for this reason if a woman is promiscuous we can't make

Brian Atlasa determinate like uh we can't make a determination when it comes to paternity if she's been sleeping with a bunch of men I still don't think that has anything to do with the body count conversation so let's say a woman has a

Ali Corinbody count a higher body count than you would like but she's not currently sleeping with any men and she hasn't for a year now that's kind of where you started this now how do you feel well so what I'm trying to explain to you well I know but you're avoiding the question

Brian Atlasjust like sure I'll answer the question but you're trying to say like oh but body account she's not currently like if it can be provable that she's not sleeping with anybody it doesn't matter

Brian Atlasbecause in terms of White's evolutionarily hardwired into men it doesn't whether you can intellectualize it the way or not is totally irrelevant

Brian Atlasright so here's here's how so if a woman is sleeping with a bunch of men right you cannot determine paternity in that situation right without a what does

Brian Atlaspaternity mean in that sentence if they're so DNA DNA uh being able to test for DNA came around the 1980s that doesn't undo hundreds or tens of thousands hundred of thousands undo hard

Brian Atlaswiring of men's Brains no it's hardwired would you call the man promiscuous what do you mean because he's already had his body count up and now he wants the Virgin well here's the difference right so as a

Brian Atlaswoman here here's the difference so if a man if a man has 10 wives and he sleeps with all of them you know who the father is in each instance you know who the

Brian Atlasmother is in each instance if a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them who's the father so the argument you're saying is you're hardwired to just have sex to produce a

Ali Corinbaby but a minute ago you're referring to the fact that all you that's why humans have sexu women with zero responsibility like you you don't actually always want that your argument fails so uh yeah do why do you think

Ali Corinpeople have sex drives like what's the evolutionary reason I was refering talking about what they what's the no no no what's the evolutionary reason the Forefront of your brain why are you

Brian Atlashaving sex not in your subconscious not in your hard wirring why do you crave sex I'm actually this is an interesting conversation I think that what occurs I

Brian Atlasguess in your subconscious actually has massive Ram like has massive influence on like even if um a man has no intention here let me

Brian Atlasexplain like this let's say a a 19-year-old frat boy he just wants to [ __ ] a bunch of [ __ ] right he doesn't want to get any of them pregnant why does he want to [ __ ] a bunch of women

Brian Atlaswhy because it's in his hard wiring to procreate like why are why are people sexually attract like why do why are why do people have sex drives why are people sexually attracted to somebody else it's

Brian Atlasbecause of procreation now I agree with you that for example you can want to have sex for for fun for pleasure you have you could have no intention of wanting to get her pregnant in fact that's how a lot of people most people

Ali Corinwhen they have sex probably don't want to get pregnant want to get them pregnant rightn but why do they want to have sex hard woring I'm not disagreeing with that but I'm referring to like why why

Ali Corindo they want to actually have sex in that moment that's what I was referring to not the hard wirring not where it comes back to because what you're saying is like you're as as men you're only capable of behaving in a way that refers back to your hard wire

Ali Corinyes so you're saying that your behavior is excusable based on hard wirring that's like all those people you were talking about men's behavior what do you mean men's behavior what let's say [ __ ] a

Brian Atlasbunch of women even though they want women to have a low body count is excusable because that's just because they're hard wiring women control access to sex if the woman says no the man not

Brian Atlasyour your understanding of my position or your premise is false uh I'm not in favor of male promiscuity I'm simply stating that if a man does have a high body count there's nothing actually

Brian Atlaswrong with him preferring to date a low body counter virgin woman despite him I suppose contributing to a lack of women that he would find more desirable there's not anything I don't think it's

Ali Corinhypocritical I don't think there's actually anything wrong with it so then women preferring to have like specific things they want in a man but they you were saying earlier like they should broaden their Horizon so that they're

Ali Corinnot single forever so like this is the same scenario like you've lowered your amount of people your fish in the sea and that's acceptable but earlier you were both telling us all that it's kind of baffling to you that women would have

Ali Corinhigh standards for men that they want them to that earlier she was yeah so I Andrew was saying it I believe I said it that's not really you laughed out loud actually and made a mock right but

Brian Atlasthat's not really an argument so what what would be fair for you to bring that up would be your face right now EXA ex what I mean no matter what I'm going to lose in his eyes well we're in the middle of we're having a disagreement I'm not discussion unless you want me

Ali CorinI'm not going to just seed the conversation cuz you want me to you just keep telling me that I'm wrong so that's what I'm referring to like you decided that I am wrong so if I'm a promiscuous girl and I want a virgin guy hold on hold on I got to you got let me address

Brian Atlasher Point uh so those things were said previously in the conversation but this it's almost a total non guys you guys got to be quiet okay it's a total nonse

Brian Atlastotal nonse they don't equate they're the same thing well so it if for example the man with a high body count his desire to have a low body count woman he

Brian Atlaswas severely struggling perhaps even because of his own high body count if he was severely struggling to find or procure a low body count woman or a virgin woman then we can have a

Brian Atlasconversation of well you're failing to get these women you should then lower your standards but uh that's so it's just totally different yeah it's EV evolutionary psychology

Ali Corinthat's what it is no so we were we were having a discussion of like her standards were like really high mhm and and it was laugh women don't lower their standards when they can't find the person they're looking that's why men

Brian Atlasneed to have a sex so that the um stop stop stop stop stop okay let me have the back and forth so um I don't think high

Brian Atlasbody count men have trouble finding low body count women to date I genuinely don't because high body count men typically in in order for them to have gotten the high body count they

Brian Atlastypically have to be attractive in one or more verticals so either good-look funny status Rich um good personality Etc and women overwhelmingly seem to

Brian Atlascare not so much like they're much more forgiving of male promiscuity than the reverse so I don't really find it to be uh a situation where low body count

Brian Atlaswomen or women in general disqualify men on the basis of having a high body body count or past promiscuity no but there would like statistically be much

Ali Corinless women right available so you're telling it's not hard to find them because they're easy to find which means there's a lot of them but that wouldn't add up to your other argument uh no I don't think I don't

Brian Atlasreally think necessarily I think there there's uh while there I suppose in modern day there's fewer or less low

Brian Atlasbody count women uh I mean there's this is also I think defeated in so like a man could just continue to date like 20

Brian Atlasyear olds 19y olds and like this is going to just be a way for him to like keep searching for low body count women if he's capable of getting them of

Lunacourse may ask a question sure how um like what's the limit for low body count like what does that mean what is low body count like five is it two it depends on age yeah

Brian Atlasbut what's your definition give us examples like to give you a number mhm uh I would say I would say over 10 is getting into high body count territory okay maybe like medium medium uh

Brian Atlasdefinitely over 20 I think most men would tend to agree like over 20 certainly there's no arguments there uh but uh it depends on age too like a woman who's who's

Ali Corin30 uh her body count being 10 versus like a woman who's 18 her body count being 10 well yeah and earlier earlier we were talking about sexual act you

Brian Atlaswant it to go towards body Andrew Andrew said that I wouldn't like uh I mean I think a woman who's like given like a 100 [ __ ] but had sex with two

Brian Atlasguys like that's probably different than a woman who's just had any kind of sex with two men including oral sex so like it would she could have oral herpes yeah that's true well yeah I guess I'm

Brian Atlasgetting to that but like so I mean I mean giving a bunch of dudes BJs but not like [ __ ] them like that's still within the realm of promiscuity so like I know someone like that yeah so I I mean that's a fair point maybe men need

Brian Atlasto ask BJ count too thank you I'm going to I'm going to add that to my Andre counted it body count and BJ count you know Andrew counted it and uh well how about this I can't wait for the story times that end up on the Internet due to the men asking this on the first date

Brian Atlasthat's going to give me joy I think yo I think it's valid totally valid okay hold on uh so going around the table do you guys think uh do you think or well hold on I'll just skip to it's already in the prompt uh the

Brian Atlasstatement is men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count you disagree Ally I Think Rachel disagrees I think I

Brian Atlasdisagree too DJ disagrees I forget how this is and yeah that's it um so okay you think men are insecure for caring about the women's body count why is that I don't think that it's like all men

Ali Corinwho want a lower body count it's due to insecurities but I think that like statistically in studies I've seen that is usually the reason in therapy that they uncover that it's an insecurity about wanting to be the one that the

Ali Corinwoman wants why would that actually be insecure isn't that kind of like wholesome and beautiful I mean I I I hear you I didn't do it the study so I can't give you oh well I'ma where it

Ali Corincame from but I'm just saying like I I think that like don't you want to be special to your partner no I get what you're saying but what they're saying is like you're you're

Ali Corinincapable like the man is insinuating that he's not special because she's been with more women because he's not because she's been with more yeah he's not special though like let me ask you you you date women right

Brian Atlasand I don't know if this is different for like people who um are bisexual or ver or sorry not bisexual or lesbians but uh like for example for you and you don't care about body count at all like

Brian Atlasif a woman had sexual uh how about if a would it matter if a woman had had sex with a thousand people not an issue she's clean I mean I'd be curious I mean there's lots of

Ali Corinquestions that follow that like I have followup questions let me you'd be curious but she's say she's totally clean like it wouldn't even present like any issues I think that like when you get to a a grand I want to know how old she is and I want to like ask questions

Ali Corinabout the reason why you're 27 she's 30 how about that that's what I'm saying like I would ask her like what the reasoning was if the reasoning was just because you're reckless then I probably wouldn't want to date you due to recklessness not because of your body

Ali Corincount yeah but like sexual recklessness what do you mean you say sexual recklessness sexual recklessness yeah that's a trauma respon they were

Ali Corinlike a yeah that's true like if she chose to have sex with a thousand people just to do it or she was doing it for money like I I have personal preferences that would make me not want to date the

Brian Atlasperson not because of the number but because of the reasoning for the number fair enough um guys we're going to lower the TTS to $20 if you guys want to get them in we're going to do the row session then we're going to wrap up I I will respond to you though uh going

Ali Corinaround well I mean how about show of hands who here thinks body count shouldn't matter shouldn't matter show hands going around the table shouldn't matter to a reasonable degree right what you were saying like a thousand is to a

D Cav (DJ)reasonable number really quick on the thousand example but okay when I say when when I think I'm sorry I'm sorry well when I say when people when women say that body count shouldn't change men think

D Cav (DJ)immediately go to their head is oh you're worried about your body count or you don't want to say about your body count and you shared yours so like what what I would not say I don't think she did did you not no he shared his Oh I thought someone else I thought you did

Brian Atlasat the beginning I'm sorry no I didn't but like if with this woman hypothetical who does have a slept with a thousand people before you uh wouldn't it wouldn't you feel like a little less

D Cav (DJ)special if you knew you were a thousand and one mhm no I think you're like cuz I'm in I'm I'm right now I'm living in the present that's how that's how I know I'm special I'm here y'all a that's how

D Cav (DJ)I feel too I feel like if he's with me now that's all that matters that's all that matters it's literally I'm I'm the present y'all are all in his past why I am not worried about any of y'all mm

Brian Atlasrelevancy that is relev confidence uh so I guess once she's back I'm going to ask a question but I'm going to let a couple chats come through uh guys TTS is now 20

TTS Voicebut these came in a little bit earlier Michael Smith donated $99.99 CH4 you could be happily married today if you didn't judge men the way

TTS Voiceyou seem to judge yourself ch7 mythomaniac don't you all want a gender wage Gap if you want men to make more than you what did I say he said that you would have been married by now he's

Cassiesaying thank you Michael Smith you would have been married by now if you you didn't look down on yourself like you do facts facts I used to be morbidly obese and I did have a low word selfworth and

Cassienow that I lost weight I'm trying to get better but it's hard you know cuz I still see myself as being close to 300 lb mhm you know but I got to I got to

Cassierealize that I'm 17 165 you should like lay on a large like huge piece of paper and like Trace yourself yeah yeah I'm a hypocrite I'm a hypocrite because I tell women you're beautiful just the way you are and I'm looking in the mirror and

D Cav (DJ)I'm looking at my stretch marks and I'm like a I hate my body yeah I got to I got to love myself stretch marks are also it's it's also like a trophy like you got to look at those stretch marks like like that that's an achievement

D Cav (DJ)like those are those are proof that like you you've done it that you made it so don't look at those stretch marks as a like a problem H everyone has stretch marks bro I am

D Cav (DJ)100s and I have stretch marks yes thighs boobs people have them arms like nice yeah I I know that I have

Brian Atlaslow huh and I'm I'm working on it I got to I got to work on it I know all right um I'm going to let a couple more chats

TTS Voiceget through guys $20 TTS R session R session thank you man appreciate it every woman in the US said that women are being oppressed yet every single one of them said they personally were not

TTS Voiceoppressed would that mean women are still being oppressed Q for the panel that seems like basic math so would that mean there still be no but

Brian Atlaswe're not we're not interviewing all women so H uh Vector I do appreciate the uh TTS man thank you so much appreciate it uh we have Michael

TTS VoiceSmith thank you Michael Michael Smith donated $999.99 make more money but I hate the gender pay Gap I can't find a man but no

TTS Voiceone is good enough I want XY Z but how dare you want a BC who's the oppressed nothing but myth Maniacs with victim

Melenamindsets mythomaniac victim mind I mean those are all things that I didn't agree with so I can't say much oh I don't think I was here when y'all talk about

Jay Hannahthat cuz I don't remember that word I what does that mean your voice has kind of changed throughout the show cuz I'm comfortable now oh you're comfortable same I just can't take the trolls

Brian Atlasseriously these are the troll comments I can't take any of yall serious Michael Smith is it a troll comment I don't I don't know all right uh so let's see here guys $20 TTS I'm pretty sure it's

Brian Atlasall set up to go we'll get those coming in here in just a sec I have a question for her once she's back uh we'll come back to the body count here in just a minute Nikki uh so the final prompt

Brian Atlasmarriage is a bad deal for men you disagree you might be the only one who disagrees on this no Melena disagreed I disagreed I think I did yeah sweet finally got it right what was the

Melenaquestion uh marriage is a bad deal for men you disagree you disagree cuz I I feel like what do you mean by that the divorce laws need to be changed just terrible they should yeah I don't think

Melenamen should get married to be honest why should then may for women right yeah I agree I just feel like it's even like I don't know I feel like even for like a man that's traditional like why would it

Brian Atlasbe bad if they cooking and cleaning and [ __ ] out babies so I I think marriage is fine for like people who are religious because I mean that's part of their

Brian Atlasreligious values but even if you're a traditional man but you're not religious although some people would argue well if you're not religious are you really traditional but that's another conversation um you said like oh the

Brian Atlaswoman cooking cleaning what was the S sucking [ __ ] I don't know you said some [ __ ] but like all that stuff like pretty much you when I date yeah yeah you can

Brian Atlasget all that outside the marriage so do you believe in like long-term relationships but not married yeah I mean I I prefer long-term relationships I prefer relationships I'm not interested in like having a bunch of

Melenacasual sex with women so would you get married yourself no marriage doesn't benefit men in the modern sorry what was your question is it just that you think like there's no point in it or I just I

Brian Atlasdon't know what I can get out of marriage that I can't get out of like a monogamous long-term relationship that makes sense in fact there's a lot of like negative too like yeah I kind of agree honestly like just to even if you

Brian Atlasstay with them the entire time and you never get divorced I mean it's just going to you have to get the marriage license it's just like and it's more expensive to get divorced than it is to get married so and then if you get divorced there's a lot of when you

D Cav (DJ)change your last name you have to like change your passport and your ID it's for some people I think it's more risky for a successful man I yeah I don't see why a piece of paper has to Def that on your endend because they could take

Brian Atlaseverything you have or try let's say even though even if you both make the same amount of money there's still going to be like some there could be some like disagreements over assets or even if you

Brian Atlasmake the exact same amount of money it could be like uh it could be uh I forgot the exact term like friendly amicable it could be amicable and you guys kind of just like okay we just want to get divorced we're not going to dispute

Brian Atlasreally anything um but even if you do make the same money and it is amicable you still need like you're going to have to you're both going to have to pay an attorney and that's going to cost a lot of money uh you can technically do

Brian Atlaswithout that but it's still money no you can well like you could go like through the court but it's still cost money I'm agreeing with you it's also like you can do you can do it yourself but it's a complicated procedure so like most legal

Melenaprocedures there are some things like it's usually better to have an attorney invol marriage as a contract I just want a cute wedding but I guess you could do that without legal I'll be your pastor I agree with

Cassiewhat you're saying it's kind of pointless yeah the marriage laws need to change because if one party benefit it's out of like uh what is it called out

Cassieof uh divorce sorry I'm drunk right now um yeah out of breaking the contract then that's not right I don't think like

Brian Atlasdo you drink on the regular or no when's the last time she said she was only drinking she was in California she said she's only drink because she's in California oh [ __ ] whenever com to

Brian AtlasCalifornia crazy going back to the body count thing going around the table uh a lot of you said if body count doesn't matter shouldn't matter pass doesn't matter what's your body count I'm not telling you what my body count is thank

Nikkiyou that's crazy and suspicious get after body count um I honestly don't keep track but I would say it's probably like 15 15 yeah BJ

Nikkicount we're doing BJ count we're doing BJ count too cuz somebody gave me a good idea for that I mean yeah would definitely like suck more than I'd [ __ ] so wow you're so

Nikkiromantic I know how to please man but I feel like yeah I feel like maybe that would be like 20 20 okay all right I'm a giver

Brian Atlasa it depends on who you would ask because like what it depends on it depends on your definition of sex if I asked your

Riri (Rachel)father zero Technic in his in his view point in his ey oh in his eye make sure she's clean clean dated a guy

Riri (Rachel)exactly oh no he doesn't he probably wouldn't consider that to be the act so that's what I mean it depends so what

Brian Atlashow about your own sense of the what is the uh body count we exp eight yes my dad walked in on all women yes girl uh

CassieCass she can go Cass what about no Cass come on you got that that liquid count yes

Cassieconsensual zero zero but BJ count seven good job congratulations good for you wait zero

Brian Atlasbody counts zero BJ counts seven okay all right in case I needed to add my know that we were doing BJ counted what's your Kingus

Riri (Rachel)count I like that word wait we have to I would have I would have considered that in the eight cuz like lines kind of blur in lesbianism blur lines yeah when you

Riri (Rachel)buy your dick it get a little complicated exactly you get to choose your own adventure okay all right uh DJ what's up body count uh mine is

D Cav (DJ)12 okay uh BJ count 12 I can't believe we're doing BJ count everyone I slept with it always it always started that way so it's the

Melenayou're a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar no I'm not Melena I don't feel comfortable molinaa I honestly don't count especially cuz I was blacked out

Ali Corinon xenx for a lot didn't you just raise your hand and said body count doesn't matter wait are we talking about different people or the same person who body count but she doesn't feel the need

Ali Corinto disclose her also like hers is related to like trauma CH oh wait you're BJ count no it's not the number of times you than a

Brian Atlaswith different people with different people three times oh okay all right cool so how about do you want to do range range give us a range no give you

D Cav (DJ)the satisfaction absolutely not it's not for my satisfaction it totally is I'm not going to be oh satisfied oh I'm so STIs no you'd be satisfi I simply only said it because body counts do not matter they going to be you're going to be attracted to me or you're not going

D Cav (DJ)to be attracted to me so if you don't attracted to me because my without my body count that's sad tell what about you what about you um I don't keep track I know my I know mine's high

Jay Hannahbut most of it's from many years ago not recent track which I know some people are going to say like oh that doesn't make a difference I think I think it makes a

Brian Atlasdifference that is a fair so you lost track yeah I've lost I lost track do how about an estimate a

Jay Hannahlot a lot but again most of it most of it's from years ago yeah The BJs were people that I was dating Cass chill out I

D Cav (DJ)love I love you she to clear her name whole time all happened I was taken she's just been thinking about The BJs like oh my God The BJs I got to tell

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