ONLY 4 SHOWS LEFT? She USES Men?! FEMCEL? CHARGING For Dates?! Wheelchair Dating! | Dating Talk #218

Date: 2024-12-04
Duration: 8h 19m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Voice(audience)
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(host)
SPEAKER_02Nikki(guest)
SPEAKER_03Background(audience)
SPEAKER_04Luna(guest)
SPEAKER_05Background(audience)
SPEAKER_06D Cav (DJ)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Jay Hannah(guest)
SPEAKER_09Background(audience)
SPEAKER_10Ali Corin(guest)
SPEAKER_11Riri (Rachel)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Melena(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cassie(guest)

Key Moments

00:03:20
IntroAli Corin introduces herself: wheelchair dancer, 27, from Fresno area, moved to Santa Barbara. Ambulatory wheelchair user — has genetic condition causing daily joint dislocations and a TBI. Has had wheelchair for ~4 years.

my name is Ali Corin I am 27 and I just moved to Santa Barbara and I am a professional dancer for my wheelchair

00:07:00
IntroNikki introduces herself: 25, exotic dancer, originally from Cambodia, adopted and raised in Northern California, moved to LA 2 years ago.

my name is Nikki I'm 25 um I'm originally from Cambodia and I was adopted and brought to Northern California and I moved to LA 2 years ago and I'm an exotic dancer

00:07:40
IntroRiri introduces herself: 19, pre-law student, wheelchair dancer. Paralyzed at age 8 from botched scoliosis surgery; further paralyzed at 16 from transverse myelitis (mono killed her spinal cord).

my name is Riri I'm 19 um I'm currently a pre-law student um I also do wheelchair dancing

00:12:30
IntroCassie introduces herself: 31, mental health advocate, New York, dropped out of psychology. Was diagnosed with ASPD/psychopathy but rediagnosed as Alexithymia. Never had an orgasm. Has underdeveloped amygdala.

my name is Cassie I'm 31 I'm a mental health Advocate and I live in New York

00:13:00
IntroD Cav introduces herself: 23, babysitter from Chicago (now LA). Does not have a job beyond babysitting 3x a week.

my name is D Cav I'm 23 years old and I really don't do anything but I babysit

00:14:03
IntroMelena introduces herself: 22, personal trainer and Reiki practitioner from LA. NASM certified. Reiki practitioner certified after rehab experience.

I'm Melena I'm 22 I'm from La mhm um I'm a personal trainer and a raiki practitioner

00:15:31
IntroJay Hannah introduces herself: 33, Instacart worker, Hollywood CA. Originally from small town North Dakota. Bachelor's in journalism.

my name is j Hannah I'm 33 years old and I live in Hollywood California Los Angeles... I work for instacart full-time

00:16:16
IntroLuna introduces herself: 26, exotic dancer and clothing designer, LA. Plans to study pharmacy/become a psychiatrist.

my name is Luna and I'm 26 years old um currently I am an exotic dancer and I make personal clothing

00:20:00
Key MomentAli reveals she does not date cisgender men because she is 'not attracted to people born with male privilege.' Brian and Andrew probe the logic at length, eventually Ali clarifies this is tied to childhood trauma (sexual abuse). Generates extended philosophical debate.

I don't date cisgender men... I'm not attracted to people who are born with male privilege

00:34:50
QuoteNikki recounts that one of her abusive ex-boyfriends pointed a gun at her face and she had to beg for her life; later another strangled her. She stayed partly because she couldn't leave her pet chinchillas.

one tried to shoot me like twice... I was crying begging him to stop... the other one just like strangled me

00:41:30
ControversyMelena recounts that when she was 17 she was sneaking out to meet men from Tinder who knew she was 17. The oldest was 30. Brian notes this was a crime in California. Melena says she was escaping abuse at home and seeking alcohol.

when I was 17 I would sneak out and meet up with older guys online... the oldest was 30 when I was 17 and they knew I was 17

00:48:00
ControversyCassie discusses her self-identification as a former 'femcel.' She no longer identifies as one after going on YouTube channels and receiving thousands of emails from interested men. Dispute with Brian and Andrew over whether femcels can truly exist since women can always access sex.

I used to consider myself a fem cell but I'm no longer a fem cell because I'm around like a lot of guys

01:04:00
ControversyD Cav admits she is still sleeping with the ex-boyfriend who cheated on her 17 times, solely to keep her body count low. Brian and panel react with shock and humor.

I'm seeing that X right now... only for sex... I'm not going to up my body count that's literally the only reason why

01:41:49
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.

my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst

04:01:15
QuoteJay reveals her worst ex was a SoundCloud rapper with face tattoos who was homeless when she met him, became an alcoholic, wouldn't let her work or go to the gym, criticized her constantly, and she gained 30 lbs during the relationship.

he was homeless when we met... he wouldn't let me work... I gained 30 lbs when I was in that relationship

04:25:00
Key MomentAndrew challenges the guests who rated themselves 9-10 to identify their female beauty standard, then pulls up photos showing they bear no resemblance to the women they cited (Zendaya, Elsa Hosk, Beyoncé). Argues that claiming to be a 10 while naming a clearly more attractive woman as the standard is 'slightly narcissistic.'

if you consider all of these women to be tens and you declared yourself to be an eight nine or ten how could you be... if this woman who you stated was the kind of epitome of perfect Beauty do you look like them — the answer from both tens was yes

05:18:20
Key MomentBrian argues it is not 'straight' for a cisgender man to date a transgender woman because sex (not gender) defines sexual orientation. Ali and Jay initially disagree, then concede based on Brian's definitional argument. Brian also says the word 'cisgender' offends him; Ali agrees to stop using it around him.

two males having sex regardless of your gender identity that would be a homosexual act that would be gay it would not be straight

06:12:00
ControversyBrian gives the 'paternity uncertainty' evolutionary psychology argument for why men prefer low body count women. Ali challenges this as hypocritical since high-body-count men contribute to raising women's body counts. Extended debate with Brian, Ali, and Andrew.

it's just evolutionary it's just biological... paternity uncertainty... evolutionarily hardwired into men

06:42:00
QuoteCassie, slightly drunk, reveals she has zero consensual sexual experiences (body count 0) but a BJ count of 7, and that men she's dated have declined to sleep with her because they 'don't want to take advantage of her' due to her autism/Alexithymia.

consensual zero zero but BJ count seven... a lot of men refuse to have sex with me... they say I don't want to take advantage of you

06:51:40
OtherAndrew Wilson wraps up his participation and says farewell to the panel around the 6:47 mark.

very happy to have met all of you my heart out here at 3:00 eastern time... I hope you guys all have a great night

Topics Discussed

00:00:08
Introductions & Show Setup

Brian opens the show with announcements (streamlabs, Twitch, Discord, WoW guild), then goes around the table for guest introductions: name, age, location, occupation. Guests introduced: Ali Corin (wheelchair dancer), Nikki (Cambodian adoptee/exotic dancer), Riri (pre-law/wheelchair), Cassie (mental health advocate), D Cav (babysitter), Melena (personal trainer/reiki), Jay Hannah (Instacart), Luna (exotic dancer). Andrew Wilson introduced last as co-host.

00:17:09
Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares current relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom. Highlights: Ali in 2-year polyamorous relationship; Nikki single ~1 year (traumatized by two abusive ex-relationships); Riri single 8 months; Cassie never been in a relationship (femcel discussion); D Cav still sleeping with her cheating ex (camera guy); Melena single 6 months dating a drug addict; Jay single 2.5 years; Luna recently out of a relationship in September 2024.

00:20:00
Ali's Attraction to 'Non-Male-Privilege' People

Extended discussion of Ali Corin's stated reason for not dating cisgender men — 'I'm not attracted to people born with male privilege.' Brian and Andrew probe the logic: does privilege hierarchy matter (e.g., a black man from Compton vs. a billionaire Latina)? Ali clarifies her attraction is also trauma-based (abuse history). Andrew draws parallels to his own philosophical positions on gender pronouns and Orthodox Christianity.

00:48:00
Femcel Discussion

Cassie introduces herself as a former 'femcel' (female involuntarily celibate). Brian, Andrew, and Cassie unpack the term: true involuntary celibacy vs. voluntary celibacy with standards. Brian argues femcels can't truly exist because women can always access sex. Cassie agrees she can no longer identify as a femcel after going viral and receiving thousands of emails from men. Cassie advocates for femcels in Discord communities she participates in.

01:25:00
Pre-Show Notes & Stories

Brian goes through each guest's submitted pre-show notes: Riri's unhinged wheelchair dating app stories; Melena's catfish furniture-assembly scheme; Nikki's two abusive exes (gun incident, strangulation); D Cav's cheating camera-guy ex; Jay's lake cabin Tinder story, $200/day rich man, porn star hookup; Ali's all-queer honey bunny group; Cassie's femcel journey and viral MRI video. Major topics include: ho phases, sex work, toxic relationships.

01:33:00
Wheelchair Dating & Etiquette

Riri and Ali discuss the unique challenges of dating in wheelchairs: uninvited lifting/pushing by dates, dating app responses ranging from fetish to pity, etiquette for able-bodied people, and why Riri chooses not to date another wheelchair user (practical support reasons).

03:20:00
Self-Ratings & Beauty Standards

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Most rate themselves 7-10. Andrew then challenges those who rated themselves 9-10 by asking them to name their female beauty standard (e.g., Zendaya, Victoria's Secret Angels, Beyoncé, Megan Fox) and then showing photos — pointing out they don't actually resemble their stated standards. Discussion about narcissism, whether high self-ratings are narcissistic, and the relationship between attractiveness and dating patterns.

04:12:00
AI Age Progression Photos

Damian displays AI-generated age-progression and age-regression photos of each guest. Guests and Andrew react to how they might look older. D Cav gets 'blue eyes' which confuses everyone. Brian shows a real photo of his ex-girlfriend (Japanese woman) bowing when he returned home late from a podcast, sparking a discussion about traditional female behavior.

04:30:00
Questionnaire Round

Brian reads from a prepared questionnaire: bear vs. man in the forest; height requirements; minimum income requirements; sugar daddies and pay pigs; witchcraft and manifestation; narcissist dating; the gender wage gap; WNBA pay; women's career attractiveness; body count discussion (high body count double standard, men preferring low body count women, paternity uncertainty argument); whether marriage is a bad deal for men; whether you can be sexist toward men; trans women and straight men debate; and whether men put in more effort than women.

05:18:20
Trans Women, Straight Men, & Language Debate

Brian asks panelists whether it's straight for a cisgendered man to date a trans woman. Ali and Jay disagree (say yes, it would be straight). Brian and Andrew argue heterosexual refers to biological sex, not gender identity. Andrew and Brian also discuss Brian finding the term 'cisgender' offensive; Ali eventually agrees to stop using it around Brian if he finds it offensive.

06:12:00
Body Count & Double Standards Debate

Extended back-and-forth between Ali, Brian, and Andrew on whether it's hypocritical for high-body-count men to prefer low-body-count women. Brian argues evolutionary psychology (paternity uncertainty) justifies men's preference. Ali counters that men contribute to high female body counts and that the same logic should apply to women's standards for men. Andrew dissects the definition of hypocrisy. Guests then reveal their body counts: Nikki ~15 (BJ ~20), Riri ~8, Cassie 0 (BJ 7), D Cav 12, Melena ~10 (lost count), Jay lost count (high).

06:40:00
Andrew Wilson Departure

Andrew wraps up his participation around the 6:47 mark, bidding farewell to the panel. He notes he has no ill will despite contentious exchanges, particularly with Ali. Brian thanks him and directs viewers to The Crucible channel.

07:03:20
Roast Session & Final TTS

Brian lowers TTS price to $20 for a roast session. Chat sends roast messages targeting various guests. Political discussion (who voted for Kamala, who voted for Trump). Brian shows video of his Japanese ex-girlfriend bowing. D Cav reveals she's on Ozempic. Cassie gets drunk (had been drinking since arriving from a flight). Final call to action to stop sex work. Brian wraps up the show.

Transcript

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04:41:24
Brian Atlasas TTS uh who cares do appreciate the message though thank you very much um okay and uh let's see we have uh how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date
04:41:39
Brian Atlaswell are you asking me I'm sorry yeah yeah you just wrote you would not date a sis man so what about you um either the same height or taller so how how tall are you and 51 okay so he's got to be at
04:41:50
Riri (Rachel)least 51 okay what about you I really don't have a big gauge on height because I'm always like way shorter than everyone so I feel like it doesn't really matter as much to me sure okay
04:42:00
Cassiewhat about you um well I'm 53 and I don't think I'd want to date someone that's 53 but he doesn't have to be 6 foot he just has to be taller than me so
04:42:12
D Cav (DJ)that I can 5'4 okay yeah all right what about you um I really doesn't really matter
04:42:21
D Cav (DJ)but I prefer shorter guys pre preferably my height you prefer shorter guys yeah that's a first okay I I like the
04:42:31
D Cav (DJ)comfortability yeah but yes definitely I would say the tallest I'd probably go is probably 5 like 59
04:42:42
D Cav (DJ)the tallest you would go yeah like 6 foot if anything but I probably wouldn't go for guy over 6 foot what about you I'm 5'2 and the shortest guy would go
04:42:53
Jay Hannahfor is like 510 the I'm 5 foot n so I would go with a same height as me which that's that's my preference actually is like I would rather be with a guy who's same height
04:43:03
Lunaas me versus a guy who's like 6'5 like way taller mhm what about you I'm 5'2 and the shortest I I would go okay so I
04:43:12
Lunahad an X fiance that was 5'4 we'll never do that again um 510 is now the minimum and I prefer like over six feet like
04:43:23
Brian Atlas65 five what my ex was 65 uh wait so I think you did right uh you're 5'2 the
04:43:32
Brian Atlasminimum is 5'10 but you prefer 65 so like less than one 1% of men okay all right uh what would you want the
04:43:41
Brian Atlasminimum yearly income to be uh income to be for your future partner I don't care don't care at all okay uh do you want kids or anything like that or no okay no I've been homeless so like I just have
04:43:53
Brian Atlasyou've been homeless mhm have you did you date while you were homeless I was in the same relationship I'm in now rock and roll okay cool all right
04:44:03
Nikkiwhat about you um wait I'm sorry uh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband or partner um I mean at least the same as what I make if not more cuz I just don't want to be
04:44:15
Nikkithe one making you 100K here is that I did but you know what you know what I'm fine if it's at least the same amount as me you know what I mean um it it just changes you know cuz I don't have a set rate cuz it changes but at least the
04:44:27
Nikkisame amount that I make how much you make around the Super Bowl um it just depends like I could make like 4K a month or more like it really is just depending on the guys but 100K it sounds
04:44:38
Riri (Rachel)like uh what about you yeah I said 100k okay um I just I want to be a lawyer that's the goal and I want to be comfortable I'm I like things like
04:44:48
Riri (Rachel)Wheelchairs and stuff are expensive and I want to not have to rely on medical insurance and things like that mhm okay uh what about you um I thought I'd be
04:44:59
Cassieokay with someone making as much as I make which is low but honestly I've been around people that make a million dollars and I've like shaken the hands of an autistic billionaire so honestly I
04:45:12
Cassiethink I want a millionaire cuz there's a lot of people that are millionaires what I know dude I know so many people that are millionaires they
04:45:22
Brian Atlasmake like a million dollars a year2 of people do you think make a million dollars a year I know six dudes in Long Island that make yeah but what percentage of people well definitely
04:45:35
Cassielike less than 1% how many how many millionaires have you met I've met now probably like 12 like how many of them date you um one wants to date me but I
04:45:46
Andrew Wilsondon't like him I don't know I don't know what I'm going to do honestly so there's only uh as far as I can see the one thing about billionaires is because they're so rare they're highly tracked
04:45:56
Andrew Wilsonespecially by Forbes uh I can only find actually five of them who even have autism yeah I shook the hands of one of them and I don't I'm not saying I like what was his name I'm not going to say
04:46:08
Cassiehis name I'm not saying I like the dude I think you shook his hand he didn't sleep with a guy why can't you say his name I I shook Elon Musk hand but like I not really of his politics not so much
04:46:20
Brian Atlasyou don't like his politics not so much oh okay so wait you want to date a millionaire autistic liberals that is black and
04:46:30
Jay Hannahnotun I'm sorry you're [ __ ] I know no like you're the there's very few she's realistic I know there's very few of those no anything is possible he's out
04:46:39
Cassiethere he's out there I've only met like Asian dudes are anything is thingy you guys got to understand hopefully he is out there do you guys know what possible possible really means sorry sorry do you
04:46:52
Brian Atlasguys know what you use the word like oh it's possible so I should not settle because I'm aiming for something that's possible yes I want my Steve Urkel like
04:47:04
Brian Atlasautistic black millionaire no but I'm I'm talking to you right now so me yeah oh oh my God you guys not like paying attention here hello I'm talking to you you just said the it's possible that she
04:47:15
Brian Atlascould find this guy yeah absolutely it is so should I not get a job and just it's possible for me to win the lottery so that I it's possible so I shouldn't
04:47:26
Brian Atlassettle for a job is are you equating a job to a person that you're going to spend the rest of your life with yes oh yeah no I can't do that yeah no no how about we how about we actually
04:47:37
Brian Atlasanalyze this so I would argue that the chances of winning the L like a a lottery that Awards more than a million dollars the chance of somebody winning that is higher than I'm not saying this
04:47:48
Brian Atlasto be mean is higher than her Landing a black did you say millionaire or billionaire million black millionaire who autic and
04:47:59
Cassieyou yeah that part was fine I was just arguing because I'm chilling with dudes right like right now that that they pay girls like $11,000 just to have sex and I'm like what the hell like I want a a a
04:48:12
Brian Atlasblack version of that guy that doesn't pay girls yes mhm yeah it's just would you be like you guys got to get out of possibility and you got to start looking at what's if I could be friends with
04:48:23
Cassiethem why can't I find one person that is also black that is also you know what realistically that's not possible but the number of I never thought I'd be
04:48:33
Andrew Wilsonable to chill with these out their range in the you know the hundreds right the hundreds there's like a very slim I'm very
04:48:43
Brian Atlaspassionate about this because wait hold on you you said you were a female incel but you're holding out for a black millionaire that has she can't call
04:48:52
Brian Atlasherself right yeah yeah bro oh I'm imagine an incel was like oh I'm involuntarily celibate but like I'm
04:49:00
Brian Atlasholding out hel out for 31 years and I imagine an incel saying I'm I'm an incel I'm involuntarily celibate there's all
04:49:11
Brian Atlasthese women who want to [ __ ] me but I'm waiting for a 10 out of 10 virgin Victoria Secret model what bro you ain't an incel you you're not an incel it's
04:49:22
Cassiecrazy he doesn't have to be attractive he just has to like have those qualifications I've been waiting this long oh my God the only the only dude that I found that's kind of like that is like in his 40s and I don't want to be
04:49:34
Cassiewith a guy that's almost 50 and he's the only one that's showing me any interest so I don't like and he you're not well I mean you already agreed that you're you you already agreed that you're
04:49:45
Brian Atlaspassionate about this you already agreed that you're not a female involuntarily involuntary celibate anymore but given has was this your standard when you were
04:49:56
Brian Atlasa female involuntarily celibate I thought I would meet my Steve rle in my 20s even when hold on even before you went on all those shows and got all that male attention and you thought you were
04:50:07
Cassiea female incel you weren't even then and I thought one of them would have messaged me I thought are you are you no I'm not no I'm not I've been saying this for years like I've been saying like
04:50:19
Cassiethis is what I want I want like a dude that like is like cool and has autism and has a good job I actually know one
04:50:29
Andrew Wilsonuh you can find him on YouTube his name is Lyndon Powell and he is supposedly at least a millionaire with autism is he black actually no one yeah he's black for sure oh okay all right
04:50:41
Brian Atlasthere you go I'll Google make the make the connect I guess um okay I'm sorry I'm just passionate about this anyways going around the table uh we were talking about a minimum yearly income I
04:50:51
D Cav (DJ)think we were yum me I said I said uh one like 150 like like
04:51:00
Melena150 okay yeah 150,000 all right what about you 60k 60k unless you unless I am a full provider yeah okay like if I'm like really balling and there's no need
04:51:13
Melenafor them to work then sure but I'd prefer that not to be the case fair enough what about you oh I put a at least a same as what I make but you make I make a with with instacart about 60k a
04:51:24
Jay Hannahyear okay but a big thing I look for though is I cuz I don't date older men usually I typically date my age or younger so I care that he works hard he's ambitious like has his life together like I care more about like him
04:51:37
Jay Hannahhaving those personality traits than him being a million like if he's a millionaire but it's all like daddy's money and he doesn't want
04:51:45
Lunato work like I don't want I don't want that okay and um what about you I said six figures just because that's what I'm used to being taken care of
04:51:56
Lunalike um yeah I just like to be comfortable I've tried lower and it really like I it just messed with me I was like okay if I can I was making more than him at the time so I couldn't like
04:52:08
Brian AtlasI couldn't do that all right there it is Greta Thanos and thank you so much for the $100 Super Chat I was about to say W's in the chat for Greta but then I read it um Andrew
04:52:19
Brian AtlasWilson is a saint he's hated like other Saints uh benches he's oh my you gra to [ __ ] spell check this [ __ ] Bro benches hea speaks the truth one day he will perform a miracle and turn you all
04:52:31
Brian Atlascelibate and put sour cream on burrito Brian okay uh L in the chat for gra thank you thank you for the Super Chat that really appreciate that's very kind of you um
04:52:42
Brian Atlasthank you appreciate it all right and then uh have you ever had a sugar daddy or sold feed picss uh I'm just going to skip ahead to the people who wrote yes Nikki uh you have
04:52:55
Brian Atlashad sugar daddy how many sugar daddies just one and then you said you sold pics yeah only fans yes uh no
04:53:04
D Cav (DJ)no yes you sold pics what did you sell uh I sold feet pictures what yeah to just like one time it was
04:53:13
D Cav (DJ)actually uh to one person like because I was just moved to California and I I was during Co and I literally tried looking for a job and my roommate she sold feet pictures and she put me on so that's also how I was making my money when I
04:53:26
D Cav (DJ)first moved here and but I stopped doing it as soon as I started working all right uh so you only did it one time or yeah to the same guy multiple times yeah how much per pick or
04:53:38
D Cav (DJ)it depends if it's a video or if it's just a pict break it down break it down so a video I would I would do it on the scale of like if I'm putting my feet in
04:53:50
D Cav (DJ)water or stuff like that and stuff like that is like I would cost you more like $50 per video and but then pictures are $5 each and sometimes I do bundles and
04:54:01
D Cav (DJ)stuff like that so I can get 10 like 10 10 pictures for like this amount but there was only one guy you ever sent to uh yeah because it was one of my roommates um my old old room my the
04:54:11
D Cav (DJ)first time you sent how much did you how much how much how much did I make yeah uh like the very first time M from the when that guy since I did videos with my
04:54:21
D Cav (DJ)roommate he just moved on to me like he just like yo make a make a Snapchat type [ __ ] right so and then I would say that first time I made I would probably say I was like new to it I didn't know what I
04:54:33
D Cav (DJ)was doing I would say I was making I was like 50 bucks my first time okay how much did you make total like I was doing it for about until I dated my ex so I would
04:54:44
Brian Atlassay um about 4 grand that's a lot of feedback yeah and videos how long were you doing this for uh mostly like a
04:54:54
D Cav (DJ)whole year damn this guy was thirsty for [ __ ] feet picks okay uh that's cool I guess but my rent was like freaking two like $2,000 so you to think about how
04:55:05
Brian Atlasmuch I was actually making in a year all right uh sugar daddy no but you've had a pay Pig Yeah pay pigs are and then you also sold pics but you did did off still
04:55:16
Melenado o no I did for like two months two years ago okay and did you self Fe picks or yeah okay how much would you charge I don't remember I know that my monthly
04:55:27
Melenasubscription for only fans was $20 and then like a picture of it would only be pictures of me and lre on there and then they would have to unlock for higher so it' usually be like a 100 bucks for a
04:55:39
TTS Voicetip pick all right oh we have a couple chats here coming th coming in uh libertariat donated
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TTS Voice$200 Lyndon Powell just messaged me and would like to tell chair for something explicit yeah he he wants to tell you about his Mansions he has he has Mansions oh libertariat thank you for
04:56:01
Brian Atlasthe TTS W's in the chat for libertariat thank you man and then coming after libertariat we have big SAS energy but libertariat thank you so much uh who
04:56:11
TTS Voiceknow hey this could be this could be uh this could be the start of something thank you big sass energy donated $200 hide it in sources hide it in sources
04:56:22
TTS Voicenone of these may be 100 men that fit your criteria date you the probability is zero can you fix that just minimize it yeah minimize
04:56:35
Brian Atlasit wait what happened are we huh back you hit back yeah sorry guys hold on uh
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Brian Atlasrefresh the Page hit enter Studio sorry
04:56:55
Brian Atlasguys mute mute Stop Cam hit enter Studio okay there can you pull us back up all right sorry about that guys okay
04:57:08
Brian Atlasuh and gr the Thanos I just kid around love the podcast and all of you I appreciate this channel whenever I type it's out of love can you pull up you got to show streamyard
04:57:20
Brian Atlasagain I just kid around love the podcast and all of you I appreciate this channel whenever I type it's out of love all of you it's all for fun Greta thank you so much for the Super Chat man really appreciate it I don't know if that's a
04:57:31
Brian Atlasman or a woman but uh W's in the chat I guess for uh for Greta she her he him I don't know thank you so much really appreciate the superp chat uh and then I'm going to play this one again because it kind of came through while there was
04:57:42
TTS Voicea little H big SAS energy donated $200 hard truth none of these maybe 100 men that fit your criteria will date you the probability is zero is that for me I
04:57:56
Andrew Wilsondon't know yeah yeah that's for saying out of the uh very few highly successful millionaire black men with autism that there are the chances of you actually connecting with one for a romantic
04:58:08
Cassierelationship the probability seems so I have to racially to to have a a husband or a boyfriend no that's not what they're saying no that would be the opposite
04:58:19
Andrew Wilsonright so of course of course if you shifted your criteria from must be black millionaire and autistic your chances would significantly increase of having a
04:58:31
Andrew Wilsonhusband but all that's left to you unfortunately right now is uh one lone MK millionaire named lynon Powell that's about I think that's about your only
04:58:43
Cassieoption I don't know how to respond I don't know how to respond to that I we can go on to the next person oh they're just being a troll like don't take it personally well I mean that's not really
04:58:55
Andrew Wilsontrolling that's actually a really good point if you take the amount of black millionaires with autism and you realize how few of them there are and how many options are
04:59:07
Andrew Wilsonavailable to them of various women the chances of you being one that marries one of those men is extraordinarily low the threshold being so low that it could potentially be about 0% like that's how
04:59:21
Cassielow it is so so should I just like accept the fact that I'll probably die alone is that what you're saying it's just like or or you can just you know move some standards around so they're more
04:59:36
Brian Atlasreasonable yeah I have a question on this actually unless Andrew did you have a bit more more but it's related to this no no go ahead Brian sure yeah so my question is on this so um hold on guys
04:59:47
Brian AtlasI'm going to get this pulled up here so uh if you got 80% of everything you want in your ideal partner would you be happy with
04:59:57
Ali Corinthat um I would yeah so they're missing 20% of what you want I mean that's like I know this is hard to believe but like I have everything I want so like probably not
05:00:10
Ali Corinoh so you want nothing in a partner I mean I'm just ouch thank you for my fiance that I have already you get what I'm saying like I I have everything I want in my partner like I got I won my own Lottery yeah so I'll just repeat the
05:00:24
Nikkiquestion so no I would not date them okay understood um I would date them cuz they don't have to have 100% of the qualities
05:00:35
Riri (Rachel)because you know you accept them for who they are yeah I would I feel like dating's really give and take so 80% I feel like that's kind of high okay yeah
05:00:44
MelenaI would 80% is high okay yeah same no I think what's on my list is pretty bare minimum things all right like I would I would not like I
05:00:57
Jay Hannahwould rather I would rather be single than to be with someone who isn't isn't going to like really add to my life below your
05:01:08
Brian Atlasstandards of the question yeah it's just uh if you got 80% of everything you want in your ideal partner would you be happy with that
05:01:18
Brian Atlasum no I'm too picky okay and that I mean you said that they wouldn't couldn't somebody who only brings 80% they could still bring to your life like it would
05:01:30
Jay Hannahstill it would still be pretty good but I feel like there might be that just kind of little voice in the back of my head being like there's something still kind of missing okay
05:01:41
Brian Atlasall right um and then going hold on there's a chat here from Greta yo Greta on a serious note Andrew really helped me and helped me search for Faith I haven't found it yet but he has helped
05:01:50
Brian Atlasme try and find my voice I was excuse me I was born an atheist never raised with faith I'm a dude uh yo Greta thank you for the very generous
05:02:02
Brian AtlasSuper Chat W's in the chat for Greta Thanos really appreciate it Andrew you want to do a quick little response to Greta you'll find it all right cool uh going around the table we were going around on or we were
05:02:14
Brian Atlastalking about the feet pcks thing or whatever or the oh no I recall it was uh
05:02:20
Andrew Wilsonwe were on the 80% the idea is is 80% uh settling so what are the 100% of the
05:02:29
Andrew Wilsonqualities that you would want then me know to those who said 80% would be settling oh I said it would be
05:02:38
Lunasettling um yeah what what would 100% be just checking all the boxes that I like need I don't know which are um okay I haven't like thought about
05:02:50
Lunathis deeply like I well then how do you know you wouldn't settle for somebody at 80% be I would say it's only because I only noticed when I get start getting pet peeves like I only notice when I don't
05:03:02
Lunalike someone when I like start dating them and I'm like okay you're not the one like you're not like I can just tell like I don't know how to explain it everyone like you don't go into it with CR Fair because yeah I don't go into it
05:03:13
Lunawith a I don't know I don't go into it with a like thinking they're going to be said they don't check the boxes right I don't go into iter I mean I don't
05:03:25
Melenaknow come back to me on that I don't I said no because my things are like I want them to be spiritual like at least believe in something
05:03:35
Melenaum I guess looks is like the one thing that I would like compromise on is if they didn't look exactly how I wanted them to but um besides that it's just
05:03:47
Melenalike treating me well emotional intelligence able to like communicate so if they were just kind of they were spiritual but not very spiritual and they had some emotional
05:03:59
Andrew Wilsonintelligence but maybe not a lot of emotional intelligence that let's just say that that's 20% that would be a deal
05:04:08
Brian Atlasbreaker no no I think it depends on like how emotionally intelligent though okay uh I think we're going around on that have you ever had a sugar daddy
05:04:20
Brian Atlasthing you've had the pay pic M uh and then you sold the pics but when it came to the pay Pig you've had how many pay pigs um just one couple two two all right what was like I guess the
05:04:32
Melenanature of the exchange they just gave you money and that was it they would want me to either like text how
05:04:39
Melenadisgusting and small there was or um like send a voice note saying the same thing for more money
05:04:50
Brian Atlasokay but have react pictures reenact it right now goad no thank you pay
05:04:57
Brian Atlasme uh okay and uh so you had these pay pigs uh the one of them uh the first one
05:05:06
MelenaI guess how much total did he pay you uh um it would be $100 every time that I would tell him how gross and small it was same with the other guy 100 100
05:05:17
Brian Atlasbucks okay and then uh how much total did you make from each uh I don't know more than a
05:05:27
Brian Atlasthousand no I would say like a thousand I made more on only fans okay uh Jay you said that uh you did have a sugar daddy he let you live with him for free yeah
05:05:40
Jay Hannahin return yeah it was one of my old roommates from like 6 years ago it was a and I hadn't been living in La very long I moved there in 2017 from Minnesota I'd probably been living there about a year
05:05:51
Jay Hannahat the time and yeah I had this uh old roommate that my friend sent me up with where he let me like basically live with him for free like be his roommate for free and then I would have sex with him
05:06:03
Brian Atlasonce a week was there a contract drafted up did you guys lawyers or what was it no it was just kind of for however long I wanted to live there how long was this
05:06:14
Jay HannahArrangement uh taking place it was like a few months few months and then after that I just moved moved somewhere else and got a regular normal roommate and started paying rent again if if he had
05:06:25
Brian Atlasnot let you live there for free would you have had sex with him no so you were a prostitute I yeah I guess that's okay
05:06:38
Jay Hannahthough is it okay is it chat what what does the table think how old were you I was a
05:06:49
D Cav (DJ)26 H but like it also depends on circumstances someone's like someone's circumstances where it kind of brings them into having to do things like that simply because their situation is
05:07:02
D Cav (DJ)difficult yeah and I wasn't a bad I was broke at time I'm not saying like I would I do it no but I'm saying that I won't judge somebody that has done it because I don't know what their situation was to for them to be get into
05:07:13
Jay Hannahthat situation you know what I mean so like I was broke at the time and I was trying to save money so that's what it was and now now I'm not broke anymore so I would never do that now cuz I don't need
05:07:24
Melenato personally I'd rather be homeless I've lived in a car before and I'd rather do that again honestly same I lived in car before and I wouldn't do it
05:07:37
Nikkiagain so I'm very happy to be dancing it's been such a blessing for me and I would never you do the whole like live with a guy [ __ ] him once a week and you get to live rent free no I like being I like paying my rent on my own and I like not
05:07:49
Brian Atlasrelying on anyone no okay I get it you guys just [ __ ] once a month no okay my bad I misread that uh okay going to you you said you've had a sugar daddy and you've sold pic a couple times a few
05:08:02
Lunatimes yeah I did only fans for like a month and and then the sugar daddy like how much money did he give you um it varies I had three different ones
05:08:10
Lunaum how about uh each one and then total total oh um okay so I had one that I would see for dinners and I he was from
05:08:20
LunaEurope so um I would only see him so often so it would be between 2 to 5,000 every time I saw him um and then the other
05:08:30
Lunaone I actually had a similar situation like that one when I was 19 um I had terrible roommates and just [ __ ] went South so that's why I ended up getting
05:08:41
Lunain that situation for a little bit and so um but he would take me to like all these parties I was so young and I was like it wasn't he would take me shopping and stuff like that it wasn't like physical like he was giving
05:08:52
Luname money every all the time and then um you said one guy per hangout he was giving you 2 to 5K 2 to 5K how much total did he give you I don't remember because he was really a golden C he would only come in a few times a year
05:09:05
Brian Atlasand it was like um roughly like four times five times total or peral per year okay all right got it okay uh we're going to get
05:09:15
Brian Atlasinto the uh some of the more juicy stuff on the questionnaire now uh starting from the top I guess uh let me just see
05:09:24
Brian Atlaswho responded in the in the disagreement here uh okay all right uh Ali you disagree that uh transgender individuals
05:09:36
Ali Corinhave a d a duty to disclose to romantic partners do I think you should yeah but like Duty was a strong word so I just said that's your choice but I don't think it's going to get you in a good
05:09:46
Ali Corinsituation in a relationship okay um but you you think they should disclose yeah but my like i' I've never
05:09:56
Brian Atlaslived that life so like you you do you all right well I don't know if I really want to dive too deep on that in so far as you're kind of it seems like you you know it's wrong but
05:10:12
Brian Atlassuppose we could have a we could have a debate on like should it be a duty but I don't know Andrew anything quick on this
05:10:20
Brian Atlasor he's uh not straight for a man to date a transom to which you disagree to which
05:10:30
Brian Atlasyou disagree that it's not it is not straight for a man to date a trans woman so I guess CIS man for for you I guess oh thank you yeah clarification so not
05:10:40
Brian Atlasstraight for a CIS man to date a transom how about that you disagree I do yeah okay um so you think it would be straight then yes and then Jay you also
05:10:51
Jay Hannahdisagreed correct oh that uh it it would be I think yeah yeah it would be straight for it yeah it would be straight for a sism toate a transwoman
05:11:03
Brian Atlasokay cuz they're they're a woman regardless uh okay um so my position would be that this would two males having sex regardless of your
05:11:15
Brian Atlasgender identity that would be a homosexual act that would be gay it would not be straight and as somebody as somebody who is straight I think that is to some degree offensive to my sexuality
05:11:27
Brian Atlasdo we no longer have to discuss that oh I'm I'm happy to discuss things that I find offensive oh earlier you said anyways I was going hypothetical anyways sorry yeah yeah so I guess my
05:11:38
Brian Atlasquestion to you guys is I you both say that it would be straight um so um I I suppose first we need to Define
05:11:49
Ali Corinwhat is a woman so what is a woman going around the table gender identity or sexual like are you talking about what someone's born as their sex or their
05:12:00
Brian Atlasgender cuz that's two different things M how about I'll walk back and we'll come right back to that in just a sec um is a transgender
05:12:12
Brian Atlasfemale I think if you're looking at definitions no but like don't quote me I think that's like a sex term yeah sex yeah male female sex man woman gender well I'm going to grant
05:12:24
Brian Atlasthat for the sake of the conversation but uh so transgender woman is female transgender woman is male or
05:12:36
Brian Atlasfemale again I don't know if we're talking about Identity or or parts no sex we're talk I'm talking when I say male female I'm talking about sex I think in like a a medical way male when
05:12:48
Andrew Wilsonyou go to the doctor and you're looking for medical maybe we can just clarify the terms real quick um and you can correct me if I'm wrong when we associate gender we're talking about
05:12:58
Andrew Wilsongender we're talking about a self-set identity which revolves around specifically the idea of describing a
05:13:07
Andrew Wilsonphenomenon of males or females who don't associate with the sex they were assigned to at Birth correct that be correct for jender okay talking that's what I think
05:13:19
Andrew Wilsonit is going off of because again I'm sorry backwards spring but you would I mean you would agree largely to those terms yes that that's basically what we're talking about and then when we're talking about sex we're talking about
05:13:30
Andrew Wilsonthe biological Association of being able to produce large or small gametes XX orxy chromosomes Etc yes yeah okay okay so then now you know you're not speaking past each other yeah
05:13:43
Brian Atlasand then going to you um so trans a transgender woman uh is male or female oh they're a woman yeah uh but so I'm so transgender woman I'll go ahead just for the sake of the
05:13:56
Brian Atlasconversation I'll go ahead and Grant that a transgender woman is a woman but is a transgender woman a female biologically is what you're asking right well I'm asking her oh uh bi biologically no but identity yes well
05:14:08
Brian Atlashere's the thing though I'm going to have to disagree with you there while I'm going to go ahead and Grant that a transgender woman can identify as a woman a transgender woman cannot identify as
05:14:23
Brian Atlasfemale sex I'm talking about sex great right so I guess the question again is a transgender woman a female or a male a biologically they would be male
05:14:35
Brian Atlasokay so when we're talking about sexuality uh sexual preference has always been intended uh as referring to what sex you prefer and so when we say heterosexual
05:14:48
Brian Atlasor homosexual when we say homosexual we mean a same-sex relationship uh you would agree then that a trans uh somebody who's transgender has not changed their sex to you and to I get where you're I
05:15:01
Brian Atlasget where you're going at but I didn't know that fact so okay but so I mean if homosexual means samex relation ship uh perhaps you can argue they've
05:15:12
Brian Atlaschanged their gender but you would never argue that they've changed their sex so if that's the case then a CIS man and a transgender woman would be in a homosexual relationship is that would you guys agree with that like based off
05:15:25
Jay Hannahif you're giving me factual based information and you're giving me the definitions and you've proved me wrong then sure okay and then for you any thoughts on this I'd say yeah cuz it's a sex is bi sex is your biology and then
05:15:36
Brian Atlasgender is your identity okay genuinely didn't know that so like that's sure but so straight is a short form slang for heterosexual so you both disagree that it would not be straight for a man to
05:15:48
Ali Corindate a trans woman uh would you then agree that it's not straight short form but like by
05:15:58
Ali Corindefinition isn't that the version that talks about identity not sex well straight is short that's what I'm saying I know you're saying short from I just I'm telling you like my understanding was that straight
05:16:09
Jay Hannahwas referring to what you identify as not I thought the same yeah I was thinking the same thing identity not sex that's fair would it be
05:16:20
Andrew Wilsonheterosexual I guess not based off definition no okay okay and if we if when we say straight we mean heterosexual that's what we're referring to then I guess not but like again when
05:16:33
Ali Corinit comes down to like what I thought the definition of was I'm just telling you that's why I answered that way sure sure I understand I have like a little question I don't really I mean when it comes to like trans and
05:16:44
Lunastuff um so I have a couple actually things to say um so with the whole cyst thing I totally understand that like being like a little bit offended by it
05:16:55
Lunahonestly when I was 18 I was in a homeless shelter and it was lgbtq and like I had like a lot of interesting experiences you know and um I just think
05:17:08
Lunathat it especially when it comes to it's not every trans woman but I think I've personally like experienced so many discussions that were like diminishing
05:17:20
Lunabeing a woman and it makes you feel like you know like um taking away the it takes away like from I don't know it takes away from women I mean I don't see
05:17:32
Lunapeople I don't see really so much the people who transition to male like really like really interfere in in that area but I feel like it gets kind of uncomfortable when they like keep
05:17:43
Lunatelling you like no like they like undermine like what it is to be a woman like I don't know how to explain it but don't understand that because I
05:17:54
Andrew Wilsondon't maybe I can help give some words to this because I've I've listened to this phenomenon for a couple of years you can tell me if I'm wrong but if you were to try to describe a sunrise to a
05:18:05
Andrew Wilsonblind man it would be essentially impossible right what it actually looks like in the encapsulations because anytime you try to capture the essence of a thing you always fall short right
05:18:17
Andrew Wilsonyou can really only understand the perception of a thing but capturing the essence of it is is next to impossible so when you're talking about the essence of what a woman is right you feel like
05:18:28
Andrew Wilsonuh perhaps there's something of a mockery made there because they're not actually capturing that Essence would that be would that be correct yes exactly that and then they and then you know it can sometimes get really mad
05:18:40
Lunawhen you don't you don't use the right terminology for them or like you know what what their gender is and it's like I think it creates so much just stress and I just don't know I don't know it's it's been really hard the past couple
05:18:53
Lunayears for me like you know how some people use they them and like when it comes to things like that it's just like hard to change your vocabulary of the English you've been taught you know what I mean like I can't refer to someone as
05:19:03
Lunaa they naturally just because in in like English language it just doesn't like fit in my head like you know what I mean it's not how you've done it yeah it's and then like we're all changing our how
05:19:14
Lunawe speak and we just not trying to offend anyone and I'm like I'm all for like if you want to be if you're a man and you want to dress like a woman you want to be a woman like I just don't see
05:19:24
Lunalike it can I just feels like it's so offensive to be like I'm the woman too like it's just like it can be really overwhelming I think that's what I was trying to get at earlier just like I I'm
05:19:34
Ali Corinnot here to preach that like everyone's in the right on the trans side or everyone's in the right on the other like whatever you want to call it is the only term I house I don't really know what you want me to call it but like down to the core of it I just think that
05:19:47
Ali Corinlike people can be [ __ ] and as long as you're not an [ __ ] then great so like if you're going to violently correct people you are the one causing the conflict and I don't agree with that either but I just I do have to move
05:19:58
Andrew Wilsonthings on unless there's a really important Andrew do you have anything on this or no you can you can move on from there I was just um though I was mansplaining a bit
05:20:09
Andrew WilsonI thought that perhaps I could capture the um kind of the the point of what was being said do do you feel like I gave it oh definitely I think it helped me put it in the right order um final thing
05:20:21
Brian Atlassometimes man's planing in that toxic masculinity is good you know final thing on this um I it sounds like you've kind of perhaps accepted our definition in so
05:20:32
Brian Atlasfar like you you accept that that's how we view it but do you view it that way or for for the straight thing is it straight oh no I just mean like I've always it's always to me been treated as
05:20:45
Ali Corinlike being a gender identity thing so if I'm wrong then I need to go educate myself does that make sense like I'm not saying like oh that's your opinion you can have it and mine's different I'm just saying like I just genuinely believe that those were the two like
05:20:55
Andrew Wilsondifferentiations yeah so if I'm wrong then I'm wrong okay I'm down to be wrong that's okay did you uh when you said violence though when you said violent correction do you consider words themselves to be violence I think that it's not what you say it's how you say
05:21:09
Ali Corinit she was just referring to like personal experience and like people aggressively or like I don't really know what else I can violent words themselves to be violent say that again you consider words themselves to be violent
05:21:21
Brian Atlasno I also don't think violent was the right word I was meaning to say aggressive so oh aggressive okay uh let's see Nikki uh you disagreed that men are physically stronger than
05:21:33
Nikkiwomen you know I say that because women give birth and that's something that men will'll never be able to do okay and that's really tough on our body and different version yeah it's a different version of Str wouldn't that be pain
05:21:45
Nikkitolerance though is it well I feel like it's CU you know we have to also negate that trans men can be
05:21:54
Nikkiwomen I mean I'm sorry trans women could be yeah trans women could be women just saying but anyway go ahead um I mean that's all I have to say
05:22:06
Brian Atlasbecause I mean yeah like obvious you guys like have like different level of strength and we I feel like have hold on I think I could probably make this super simple though but like you acknowledge
05:22:17
Brian Atlasthat like extremely physically weak women can have give birth and be pregnant yeah like like the weakest woman in the world could get pregnant and give birth yeah right so what does
05:22:29
Nikkiit have to do with physical strength because I feel like we have to like carry around that kid for 9 months and then we have to deal with like you know just carrying the kids it's just Aion like
05:22:41
Nikkiobviously construction like how these men do they're obvious stronger me in that aspect you know but men can't give birth so there wouldn't really be like anything to compete over like there
05:22:51
Brian Atlaswouldn't really be a comparison there you think if men if like men would not if men could get pregnant and give birth like they wouldn't be like that's
05:23:03
NikkiI'm just confused I guess but so you're not when it comes to actual physical strength I mean I guess I'm kind of just like a little 5050 because obviously I would never be able to do those same work that a man does like in construction like I know I'll never be
05:23:15
Brian Atlasable to do that same work that they do so sure uh and then going to uh Melena did I say that right this time uh you disagree that you can be sexist towards
05:23:27
Melenamen hey guys quiet back there please um I don't think it's okay to be sexist towards men or
05:23:34
Melenawomen oh no perhaps uh oh like is it a possibility yeah people can do I think
05:23:42
Brian Atlasit's okay no okay yeah um we were having a rough time with these questions you I guess it's more so like you can be
05:23:52
Brian Atlassexist towards like as in some people for example say uh because men are privileged uh you can't be sexist towards them because like they're part of the oppressor
05:24:04
Brian Atlasclass I disagree so you can so you agree that you can be sexist towards men yeah okay then that was okay never
05:24:15
Brian Atlasmind I don't think it's okay to do that's what I meant all right uh let's see uh Ally you disagree that there is no gender wage
05:24:28
Brian AtlasGap yeah I had to think about that like the double negative thing yeah that I think that there is a gender wage Gap you think there is a gender wage Gap uh
05:24:38
Brian AtlasJ you also think that there is a gender wage Gap I think I thought it was pretty well known that there was in a lot of Industries mhm um do you think that question for you two then do you guys think that uh
05:24:51
Riri (Rachel)WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players I don't follow any of that but I mean I guess sure unless you have fact look like you AG you think the I I think they should be paid the same but I
05:25:03
Riri (Rachel)think it does come down to like who is getting the most views interaction Grand deals all of those different things and I think that's the same when it comes to the jobs that men and women are traditionally doing I think it's
05:25:15
Riri (Rachel)definitely changing but I mean throughout history like women were traditionally in the home so obviously they weren't making any money but I
05:25:24
Riri (Rachel)think that when it comes to being in in Industry men just happen to be in more high-paying jobs just with how the world
05:25:34
Brian Atlasis so I don't think that it's necessarily having to do with gender and more so with what I was more focused on the w i was more just focused on the WNBA thing you you so you said that uh
05:25:45
Riri (Rachel)the WNBA players should be paid the same as the NBA players yeah I do think so but you also said well it depends on how much money they bring in right yeah like I mean in a perfect world I think they should be paid the same I think it that the circumstances make it so that they
05:25:59
Brian Atlasright but in the perfect world there there shouldn't be war and everyone should be pretty and nobody could be fat and blah blah blah like but we I'm asking this question like as the world currently is so like it's kind of pointless to be
05:26:12
Riri (Rachel)like oh in a perfect world the world's never going to be perfect I like don't think that it's situationally possible for them to be paid the same right now just because of how everything is so I guess no to that
05:26:23
Brian Atlasdirect question okay and then uh wnb WNBA players should they be paid the same as NBA players no that was that's literally the exact same standpoint I have like it's just not and
05:26:35
Jay Hannahpossible I think I think they deserve to be but I know the f base isn't fully there yet cuz I think it depends a lot on like viewers fans like how much money they bring in you know selling tickets
05:26:45
Brian Atlasfor games like merchandise BR things like that all right uh but so okay going to the gender wage Gap then um what do you guys you guys think that there is
05:26:56
Ali Corinone what do you guys think that is I only know that there is one because I have seen studies yeah literally and it was ages ago so like I I am not one to
05:27:06
Brian Atlasspeak on facts okay um Andrew you want to quickly uh do a quick thing on the wage
05:27:14
Andrew WilsonGap um well yeah I mean we can dive into it um so the idea here that it it I mean it's essentially just that for the same
05:27:25
Andrew Wilsonwork um women should be paid the same as a man uh the problem is is that when we start actually running studies on this and we start kind of diving into it we
05:27:36
Andrew Wilsonrecognize very quickly that there's some offsets that don't really make a lot of sense for instance uh maternity leave and risk Association so if you were to
05:27:47
Andrew Wilsonuh think that you you are in charge of a business and you have to hire an employee you can find a male and a female and they're perhaps both equally qualified but the woman will want to
05:27:58
Andrew Wilsonoffset for family time and will want to offset more for pregnancies and things like this makes them a bit of a higher risk which brings their negotiating power down really doesn't have anything
05:28:09
Andrew Wilsonto do with sexism it seems to mostly only have to do with the fact that there's a risk Association which occurs with this and so it's just negotiating
05:28:21
Andrew Wilsonleverage also really quick who here wants uh this you don't you don't I don't know chair one looks like she wants to disagree I have no I have no brute facts at my hands that you do not
05:28:32
Ali Corinhave I worked in HR and I just saw a lot of things about exactly what you're talking about and like there's studies in other countries that prove that whenever you give the
05:28:44
Ali Corinsame amount of paternity leave as maternity leave like morale and production rates go up and so like if you look at it that way if we had it
05:28:55
Andrew Wilsonequal then wouldn't you have the same risk well in those countries they in in those same countries they create uniformity laws so what they do is they
05:29:05
Andrew Wilsonsay you simply can't you simply can't pay a distinct wage but if left their own devices they will pay a distinct wage but the question is not whether or
05:29:15
Andrew Wilsonnot they pay this wage based on the fact that they're being Sexes but based on the fact that they're doing a basic risk assessment so if one sex is more riskier than the other sex to employ uh why
05:29:29
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't you as the employer uh opt for the sex that have less risk that's what I don't understand like you said you have more facts than me I don't no no no I have no
05:29:41
Andrew Wilsondifferent facts than you you said did I'm sorry yeah yeah I have no different facts than you have I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of uh logical assessment so in this case I'm just going to grant that it exists I'm just
05:29:54
Andrew Wilsongoing to Grant I'm not even going to Crunch the numbers I'm not going to do the math right many people have done it highly contested but I don't even think we need to if you're just looking at it from an employer basis why wouldn't you
05:30:06
Ali Corinuh take into account risk assessment when came to hiring men versus women that seems totally reasonable to me I mean if you're only looking at that risk then sure and I just like I know that this can go further and further and further and so I was just trying to avoid that but like there's plenty of
05:30:19
Brian Atlasother risk factors that I'm sure you could look at that I don't have the facts on so I'm not one to be argumentative about it okay uh final question on this on the wage Gap thing uh who here wants a guy
05:30:30
Brian Atlasto pay for the first date show of hands yes one two three four yeah I mean so you want the man to pay for the first dat maybe just scoot into the table a
05:30:41
Brian Atlasbit if you can um I'm going to get it off that angle um there's a lot of reasons uh well one the wage Gap doesn't really exist when
05:30:52
Brian Atlasyou control for all factors uh it shrinks down to something like 99 cents to the dollar as opposed to the uncontrolled gender wage gap which
05:31:02
Brian Atlasdoesn't factor in for time hours worked uh location seniority type of job um overtime hours worked these sorts of
05:31:12
Brian Atlasthings uh but when it comes to this couldn't you just argue like putting all those other things aside couldn't you just argue well okay let's say 50% of women
05:31:23
Brian Atlaswant men to pay for the first date wouldn't this create like enough of a uh mating and social pressure on men that doesn't exist in women in terms of a mo
05:31:34
Brian Atlasmotivating factor that because of this men just are more motivated and they work harder because of the pressure that women put on
05:31:51
D Cav (DJ)men I I personally wouldn't I normally have like a way of I will let a guy pay for the like meal if he insists on it
05:32:03
Brian Atlasbut I normally always pay for my own because that's only because for like and in addition to that even though some of the girls didn't say like oh I want a guy to pay for the first date probably I
05:32:14
Brian Atlaswould argue those of you who even if you didn't raise your hand even if you don't want it you still have the experience of having men pay for the first date anyway
05:32:25
D Cav (DJ)would that be the case for you uh yes CU they cuz I always I always suggest like no because I don't know if there's going to be second day so I don't see why you should be wasting your money on me type
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D Cav (DJ)[ __ ] so I normally always pay for my own things but some people some men insist on it ins sure yeah right so it occurs to me that there's a good probability
05:32:46
Brian Atlaseven if only like 50% of women I think it's more but even if only 50% of me women want a man who's a Prov provider want a man to pay for first dates or sub
05:32:55
Brian Atlassubsequent dates that this is going to create uh a pressure on men that you don't see this pressure being equally applied to women or even at all applied
05:33:06
Brian Atlasto women um I I for example or I've never gone on a date with a woman with the expectation that she pays the entire bill but there are plenty of women who go on dates the expectation that the
05:33:17
Brian Atlasentire Bill be paid for them and so for this reason I think uh just this alone would actually just explain the way the gender wage Gap men are just simply more motivated by women's own pressure on men
05:33:28
Brian Atlasto be providers and to pay for dates moving things on going over to uh Laura you said you disagree that men are the primary victims of war I really didn't understand that question
05:33:41
Brian Atlasbut I think every I mean obviously if there's war everyone's a victim of it yeah everybody's a victim but like there could be primary secondary victims like for example how about this
05:33:53
Brian Atlasum uh do I want to use an extreme example like okay let's say there's a war and it's just men fighting and 100,000 men die and like the economy sucks for the women and the children and
05:34:05
Brian Atlasthen the men who aren't fighting who's the primary victim of
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LunaI still think just everybody still the women even though no women died and 100,000 men died and yeah cuz now what are they I mean I'm not one that's like what are we going to do without men but like you
05:34:22
Brian Atlasknow like it's it would affect the families yeah okay so like um a woman uh a woman who gets ESS uh and she has male family members
05:34:35
Brian Atlasuh is she the primary victim of the essay or is like everybody equally a victim because the male family members are very upset about her being Aid and feel really bad about it oh she
05:34:46
Brian Atlasis she would be the girl would be okay and what about like a woman who's uh I don't know if this would make her a victim but in terms of measuring suffering how about like a woman who's pregnant and she's going through the
05:34:57
Brian AtlasPains of pregnancy and when she's giving birth there's like uh she's not a victim but she's perhaps suffering physically um her husband is there seeing her
05:35:07
Brian Atlassuffer uh is he is he also is the suffering equal no definitely not okay so like is dying worse than so when it
05:35:18
Brian Atlasbringing it back to war would you say dying is probably worse than like I'm sure it's very traumatic to like lose a loved one or something in the war and like have the economy [ __ ] having to
05:35:29
D Cav (DJ)rebuild the country or whatever living with it as well yeah but yeah no definitely definitely losing your life is more intense and like with that question I literally thought about like PE like I thought about drafting like
05:35:41
D Cav (DJ)yeah like men coming back with PTSD and stuff like that that's what I thought about oh okay but now we have women that fight in war so not as many though not really yeah not really they're not really ever in combat yeah very very
05:35:53
D Cav (DJ)rare I have three three of my sisters are in the Army and all three of your sisters were never in combat so one of them were no none of them were one's in
05:36:02
Andrew Wilsonyeah no no none say it like you act like say it talk about it like you know yeah it's not about knowing you it's about knowing it's about knowing how it
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D Cav (DJ)works and no they don't send women in front line combat doesn't happen no I I'm I don't know what she does but as obviously the front line is a place where people that actually know what they're have been doing it for way
05:36:26
Andrew Wilsonlonger that's your front line place if they send male soldiers because they're the only ones who are allowed to fight in Frontline combat that's it like it's not it's not a dunk on you it's not you're just
05:36:38
Andrew Wilsontalking now oh it's not even it's not even resistance to your position I'm sure that you have three sisters and all three of them are the bravest military personnel who've ever existed but they're not in front line talking to
05:36:49
Andrew Wilsonyourself what's that I didn't hear you you're talking to yourself no oh you just shut down you can't engage it's too much for you was it was it too much for me to say that your
05:37:01
Andrew Wilsonsisters weren't at the front lines with machine guns gunning down the Soviets like that was too much for you that was too much much your sisters weren't nining up the enemy they didn't Crawl Through The Trenches with a dagger in
05:37:12
Andrew Wilsontheir teeth and take them down that was just that was too much it was a DK Andre that's how I know just way over the top of that's how I know your dick is small make up with your personality Frontline