02:49:10Andrew Wilsonme I've been very courteous to you okay for sure I just calm down and we can finish calm down and we can finish conversation go
02:49:20Ali Corinahead oh dear lord I think that you are incapable of not using this scenario without conflict no I'm saying that the
02:49:29Andrew Wilsonentailment of the scenario itself is conflict how well because if you have two ideologies where both believe that their dignity is being violated just in
02:49:41Andrew Wilsonthe form of communicating with each other just in the form of communication itself then the only answer to not create conflict in the form of communication would be to not
02:49:51Ali Corincommunicate if you can give me a way to reconcile that I'm all ears have more open communication have a more open mind but other than that I like literally what you're saying is the
02:50:03Ali CorinAssumption the Assumption the Assumption you're assuming that these two ideologies create conflict because they feel like their dignity is being compromised but that is a very specific
02:50:15Andrew Wilsonscenario I don't feel like my dignity being scenario and I it fine I get that so that you can so that you can understand the distinctions and why it is that necessarily you're going to have
02:50:26Andrew Wilsontwo ideologies consistently which come together which cannot reconcile worldviews together the that ultimately your answer to this is indeed separation
02:50:36Andrew Wilsoneven from your even yourself your your idea of diffusing such scenarios would be separation immediate diffuse immediate I need you guys to make one final point on this go ahead I think I'll just let I'll just let her point
02:50:50Ali Corinstand go ahead how kind I think that you're being very courteous if you're trying to get to the
02:50:58Ali Corinpoint of would I leave initially yes overall no I would not separate myself from the person permanently in other words segregate myself from this person
02:51:10Andrew Wilsonjust because they have different views than me no except immediately you would but to diffuse the okay that's like the first response the thing that you would do but okay all right um I'm trying to
02:51:23Brian Atlasthink if I had any other questions on that otherwise I'll move it on to the some of the more uh different pre-show notes I did you mentioned the word mansplaining you accused Andre of
02:51:32Ali Corinmansplaining um what what is man's planing it's a slang term I just used it specifically because when I asked it was
02:51:44Ali Corinvery very very specific down to like the definition of my word is what he gave me and it was very in my opinion obvious that that's not what I meant but why fix man before it seems like there's a bit of a negative connotation maybe I
02:51:57Brian Atlasshouldn't use that word anymore uh like if like she elaborating do you find this I love that word you like she elaborating okay woman splaining what do you find this objectionable or I think they're all just words and sometimes we
02:52:09Ali Corinneed to just not be as offended as sometimes we get I don't think it's that big of a deal personally I don't think that we should hold that much value into the word mansplaining
02:52:19Brian Atlasand women's sping but people use it in a demonized way so then it's dickish I you know I tend to agree with you but if like the sort of the current social
02:52:28Brian Atlasclimate uh from the side that would use this word seems to take great issue with the way language is used so if they were a bit
02:52:38Brian Atlasmore uh I guess relaxed when it came to uh choice of words uh perhaps they wouldn't get so much push back when they
02:52:48Melenause words themselves that are uh that perhaps the group that they often Target finds objectionable do you feel like you tell him he was mansplaining I did tell him he was mansplaining after but she
02:52:59D Cav (DJ)was also saying that just like she was like using it as a term like we were trying to make it more we're taking it too seriously you about to say you about to say something I misunderstood about to say yeah no and it was about that
02:53:10Ali Corinjust that like in this scenario the provoker in from my perspective and these ladies can speak on that if they want to if you need it to not just be from me was that when I said a word he
02:53:22Brian Atlasgave me the literal definition of the word in an extremely sarcastic tone to provoke me okay I we can get into that in just a sec but you were about to say something before she that was what you
02:53:34Ali Corinwere about to say okay uh so essentially he provoked you and he used a definition of a word to provoke me to be sarcastic to get a literalness I don't know if that was his actual intention but in any case that's that's the way you took it
02:53:46Andrew Wilsonthough yes and that's why I Ed that word so the thing is is um when when you're talking to people when you're a conversationalist and I I think I would probably reckon myself as being one
02:53:57Andrew Wilsonbecause it seems to be part of my primary profession to have conversations I think it's really important that you're very clear on terms that you use and people often ask for definitions for things uh in order to get clarity and I
02:54:09Andrew Wilsonunderstand why it's because in the Commons the way that we think of things is different than the way we we think of things academically or for specific instances so religious speak for instance is going to have its own lingo
02:54:21Andrew Wilsonuh things like spiritual is going to mean something different to a Christian than it would be to a Reus for instance and so uh Precision in language that way I think is super important and legitimately when you ask for a
02:54:33Ali Corindefinition I thought you were asking me for one so I no and I think that there was another misconception there I said how do you define it and I was referring to the person entering the business but
02:54:43TTS Voicewe can just move forward it was just a misunderstanding I mean yeah your part you should apologize donated $200 chair one I would not separate
02:54:55TTS Voicesegregate myself from a group of people all so chair one I would never date a sis mail like feelings what about my lived what about my lived experience also I'm sorry but dating someone and being
02:55:08Ali Corinaround them is two different things I'm in the same room with what I assume to be assist M he can correct me if I'm wrong um that's not equivalent to dating
02:55:19TTS Voicethem donated $200 do i s chist between chair one and Andrew is there a little chemistry I don't know I was going to ask you afterwards you've changed my mind about
02:55:31Andrew Wilsonmen that's Andrew by the way what about what about my apology though the empathy towards my lived experience of being told that I was a mansplainer just for trying to have Precision in language it
02:55:42Ali Corinwasn't very nice or kind or empathetic of you and it hurt my feelings don't you think he an apology if you used a different tone of voice instead of trying to prove your
02:55:54Andrew Wilsonpoint maybe and do you genuinely feel offended by what I've said I genuinely feel offended then I'm very sorry for offending you ah gotch you I'm glad you're [ __ ] so you deserve be now kid I'm joking I'm joking it was funny I'm
02:56:06Brian Atlasjoke I'm kidding we'll go on a date after kidding I wanted there to be a little levity a little bit of levity yeah I look forward to our date and uh just final thing on this then I'm going to get into the other notes Here uh the
02:56:17Brian Atlasthe term CIS right um I find this term offensive okay would you be willing to discontinu knowing perhaps you've never heard this from a
02:56:29Brian Atlasat least what you would view as a CIS male let's get split G um um would you consider stopping this use entirely now that you've heard from somebody who actually is CIS that they
02:56:41Ali Corinfind this term offensive um can I answer in two parts sure no I wouldn't and I think that whenever people decide that words should just be taken away because they are
02:56:53Ali Corinoffensive you don't get to just choose that unless you have other parties coming in and saying hey this has you know been extremely offensive to this group of people historically that that's much different than being like I don't
02:57:05Ali Corinlike that words and it offended me so you should just never say it again and that goes into a bunch of other things like I just don't think that how long has the term Cy been around oh no I was referring to how long has that made
02:57:15Brian Atlaspeople offended well I mean if the word has only been around for a finite period of time a limited period of time you have people are offed hold on let you got let me finish that would
02:57:27Brian AtlasEncompass the history of the world the word I actually personally do not know how long would you like to bring up how long it's been around it seems like it's maybe less than a decade it seems like
02:57:37Brian Atlasit's been in use in terms of like uh it's common use it would occur to me that I first heard it coming into use probably in the past
02:57:49Ali Corin10 years is that maybe because you didn't surround yourself with those who use the word or would you like to use Google and see how long it's been around well perhaps it's been around longer but
02:58:00Brian AtlasI mean if a word's been used by five people and the population of the United States is over 300 million like I don't really see how is there data to back
02:58:08Brian Atlasthat I'm not saying it actually was five people I'm just using example no I don't actually get your point but but there's plenty more more who have used that word
02:58:19Brian Atlasand it's just coming down to a specific again that you're saying you only feel like it's been brought up so long ago the uh the rates of uh I mean is this
02:58:30Brian Atlasnot t this is typically a term that relates to like transgender people right CIS yeah like I don't think CIS right like it has to do like somebody who CIS
02:58:39Ali Corinis not trans is that fair to say yeah CIS refers to identifying as the gender that you were born with I believe I
02:58:48Andrew Wilsoncorrect WR how about this cuz I that's that's within within um within lgbtq ideology that would be correct so the
02:58:57Andrew Wilsonidea is that if you associate if if you associate with the uh gender in in their world viiew that you were born as your Cy from Brian's standpoint it would be if you associate with the sex you were
02:59:09Brian Atlasborn as your Cy so they both sides see it different yeah so um I mean I genuinely didn't know that so that's why so I guess like what percentage of the population is transgender like isn't it
02:59:21Andrew Wilsonlike less than 1% I have no idea but if you want to Google it that give you a answer well it depends on depends on the classification so when you're talking about self-identification it's as many as one
02:59:32Andrew Wilsonin four Zoomers actually will'll identify as being trans but it would depend starkly on how you define what trans is and that's a whole ball of
02:59:42Brian Atlasworms let me tell you whole ball of worms but so I guess look in any in any case Cas like I I and many other CIS people find this word offensive like given that I've just communicated this
02:59:53Brian Atlasto you would you consider discontinuing its use if you and I were to be around each other would I discontinu its use around in general no in general okay well for example like let's say um like for examp I'm not going to use the
03:00:06Brian Atlasactual word but like the f word right I'm sure you do you find this word offensive the four-letter f word that no the three-letter f word that's often used in a derogatory way if someone's using it in a der at way it's extremely
03:00:19Ali Corinoffensive if it is someone in my community using it as a factual word I don't think that it's offensive to use it if someone's talking about someone said that word then being literal so I was being
03:00:30Brian Atlasliteral 10 10-year-old boys who are calling their friends is it to cause harm uh no they're just like no what do you mean cause harm are they using it to intentionally cause harm to the person
03:00:41Ali Corinreceiving it to which group to whomever they are calling them I mean if you call your friend stupid are you that's cause harm I mean if you're not then maybe you should reassess but I'm just trying to
03:00:52Ali Corinunderstand like the if you're deliberately stupid F you then yeah that's offensive it just comes down to like conversation right like surround yourself with those who you think you can have that conversation with okay words aren't to Legal okay so you're
03:01:04Brian Atlasfine with people like in casual conversation uh saying the f word the everyone there is fine with that word being used in conversation sure okay but right now would you
03:01:16Brian Atlasdiscontinue now that I'm right here and Andrew's here and Damian's here Desmond's here uh I don't know what their specific positions are on this
03:01:25Brian Atlasword but I at least and I think Andrew does too we find this term CIS offensive would you discontinue it for the sake of this conversation would I discontinu it like in this room is that you're referring to um if it was used in a
03:01:38Ali Corinfactual based way so we're discussing like this probably not like for reference of the word I'm not going to anything you don't want to be called I
03:01:48Ali Corinwas using uh the F uh the thre letter f word in a factual basis like we're discussing someone saying that word it would not offend me and I wouldn't see an issue with it
03:02:01Brian Atlasusing the word yes if we're having like a conversation about like the word CIS that's fine but if you were to say that I'm a CIS man oh if that offended you then yeah I wouldn't say it you wouldn't
03:02:11Brian Atlassay it no interesting I just think you should respect human beings that's all okay but like wouldn't you agree that if you had like a bird's eye view of a conversation that was occurring and
03:02:23Ali Corinpeople were like throwing around that three-letter f word in like calling calling each other they're just calling each other there something you can appease everyone like like throwing around a word for that word or any other word if someone then brings it up that
03:02:35Brian Atlasit's offensive then maybe you should stop using it okay although there do there does have seem to have been a push to like you know people should even in like a private setting uh where somebody who identifies as part of this group
03:02:47Brian Atlaswould not like who wouldn't even hear it there's still a push to then like hey you guys shouldn't even use that word in private etc etc because it's historically been used to harm people in that
03:02:58Brian AtlasCommunity has CIS I think CIS has been used to harm people in the sis I would love sis Community I would genuinely love per oh I'm sure there's I'm trying to think uh
03:03:10Brian AtlasH uh perhaps by discriminating people from joining a bunny group I guess I don't know or what is it honeyone call it bunny group great fantastic it's bunny honey grp
03:03:21Ali Corinokay I mean objectively if people just don't like being called it then it's harmful right yeah and so like I would never call you something that was harmful to you if you told me that if you brought it up to me then I would no
03:03:31Brian Atlaslonger address you did didn't he just do that I don't know but how about this how about this question if me and Andrew like after the show like we just had a 30 minute phone conversation and like I
03:03:43Brian Atlascalled him the three-letter f word like 10 times and he called me the three-letter f like 20 times how about it man you you'd be totally cool with that sure okay you guys are having a private conversation amongst friends yes you and him yes no one else is going to
03:03:56Brian Atlasknow about it in this hypothetical situation nobody else have at it okay all right fair enough fair enough uh going back to your notes here you said you also started dating your current fiance while he was still married tried to date his wife who was a total [ __ ]
03:04:08Brian Atlaswhile also trying to make things work with your ex- high school swe sweetheart needless to say your partner and I are the only two in the picture mhm okay and then further down I told you you you asked for revisions and I said that I
03:04:20Brian Atlaswouldn't be talking about a lot of that oh are you sure I'm positive hold on I'll look maybe it wasn't included uh well all right then I'll
03:04:31Brian Atlasjust move on then thank you that was the notes collected we collected um you said dating in relationships are two different things dating many people is how you decide who you want to be in a committed relationship with you can't just test one at a time how would you
03:04:43Brian Atlasknow which one is right with no comparison there's someone for everyone but not everyone is for someone agree yeah okay and let's see here okay
03:04:53Brian Atlasall right moving on to who do we have we have uh one sec guys trying to get the notes Here we have Jay I think you're
03:05:03Brian Atlasthe final one here who we have notes on did you submit notes no I don't think I sent it let me just do a little quick quick check
03:05:15Brian Atlashere uh no okay that's fine uh Jay your craziest dating experience was when this guy you were talking to on Tinder invited you to his family's Lake cabin Minnesota for the weekend you're living there at the time
03:05:27Brian Atlas2-hour drive and when you got there he ended up not really liking uh you and you barely spent any time together but his family loved you I you ended up spending most of the weekend with his
03:05:38Jay Hannahmom and sister oh my God yeah that was short on this yeah that was an interesting experience it was it was a long time ago I was like it was probably like 10 years ago now it was a long time
03:05:50Jay Hannahago but yeah I just remember I was living in a Minneapolis Minnesota at the time I was right off of college and I match with this guy on Tinder and and he just spontaneously he's like hey come to my Lake come to my family's Lake cabin
03:06:04Jay Hannahand I guess there was like a glitch on his location settings and that was why he saw me he saw me in his matches even though I was 2 hours away like I think he thought I was a lot closer than I
03:06:15Jay Hannahactually was but he invited me and I was like oh that sounds fun so I ended up just going and spending the weekend with him and not not knowing him at all I was like I had no idea what to expect I
03:06:26Jay Hannahdidn't know if he was going to look like his photos or anything like that and I get there and we just end up he wasn't like a bad person or anything we just kind of didn't really Vibe like the chemistry wasn't really there but his
03:06:39Jay Hannahfamily ended up loving me like his mom and Dad loved me his sister loved me and they were they were just a really nice normal family like nothing bad happened they were just so nice to me so normal I
03:06:50Brian Atlashad a really good time and then I went home and never saw any of them again damn okay and uh also just Ali clarifying here um I just looked at our message
03:07:01Brian Atlashistory were you saying like earlier on in the show you said this or you said in a message you said like oh I never mind I don't want to talk about that stuff I think I put specifics about what I didn't want to talk about in the messages I mean you're welcome to look
03:07:14Brian Atlasback at it I just looked over the message history because I don't want people to think like oh I like there's nothing in the message history that indicated oh I don't want to talk about this nothing is there a reason why you said that you were
03:07:27Brian Atlascorrected and that you did find it or you said oh sorry cuz you said you found it no a second ago like genuinely clarifying I'm not no I said I looked through our message history because you just said that oh in the
03:07:39Brian Atlasmessages I said I didn't want to talk about that but there's nothing in the messages whatsoever that pertains to you car V outs of what you did or didn't want to talk about okay I mean if I can look at it
03:07:52Brian Atlasthat's fine but I don't have my phone right but just wanting to clear the air there because the if it's not there it's not there but I mean I'm happy to look later sure totally fine but it's not
03:08:02Brian Atlasthere um so okay going back to you Jay you said that uh you uh you hooked up with the porn star once who you met on Tinder yeah I did uh it was I'm not
03:08:14Jay Hannahgoing to say his name but he was a popular uh male only fans Creator who I I met him on Tinder I went over to his hotel room in Downtown LA and we we
03:08:25Jay Hannahhooked up he was really hot but I kind of I think because of his career I had higher expectations he he was just kind of like this he was just average like in
03:08:37Brian Atlasin bed but he was very good-looking and he was nice M okay and you only like hooked up with him once or a couple times yeah only no only one time okay uh you said another guy you dated briefly
03:08:48Brian Atlasalso from Tinder he used to give you $200 every day because you took off work to hang out with him because that's how much you earned in a work day yeah he was very rich but same age as you yeah
03:09:00Jay Hannahso also yeah also met him on Tinder and I'm I'm not in the I'm not into older men at all I pretty much only date my age or younger mhm but yeah I met this guy on Tinder and uh I was working for
03:09:12Jay Hannahinstacart at the time I still work for them and he just asked me he was like I remember being on on a date with him and then he wanted me to sleep he wanted me to sleep over and then spend the next day with him and I told him I was like no I I have to work I have to work so I
03:09:25Jay Hannahcan't see you tomorrow cuz I got to work and then he just asked me how much money do you make in a typical day working for instacart if you work a full day and I told him 200 and so he started just giving me like that same amount of money
03:09:38Jay Hannahto not work that day so I could spend more time with him was he like lived far away or something or no no he lived in the Century City Los Angeles which is right outside Beverly Hills how many times did you hang out with him would
03:09:50Jay Hannahyou say I I only dated him for maybe maybe about a month okay so maybe you hung out like 10 times or something or it was like six times and every time he just paid you $200 not not every time it
03:10:02Jay Hannahwas after like the third the third time so like three times he paid you $200 yeah and then were you hooking up with him yeah no we were hooking up yeah like
03:10:11Jay Hannahgoing on dates and H technically prostitution well we uh no he actually he liked me and I liked him too like I wanted to have him be my boyfriend and I would have dated him even if he weren't
03:10:23Brian Atlasgiving me money I totally would have dated him but he's like so he's paying you for the DAT but he's like compensating you because he's not like because you would have hung out with him for free on a day absolutely I would
03:10:36Jay Hannahhave I really liked him he was a really great guy right I was I was sad when it when it ended he ended up a he ended up moving outside of La that was why it ended but okay if he if he still lived
03:10:47Jay Hannahhere and if he if he didn't have that kind of money and I was just hanging out with him for free like normal I would totally still date him okay but last time I checked he doesn't live in LA and
03:10:58Brian Atlashe has a girlfriend in the city he lives in now so he's not an option anymore gu so I guess I mean it was just like he really wanted to hang out with you but you're like I'm so busy I have to work and so like all right I'll just give you
03:11:09Brian Atlashere take the day off whatever yeah that that was exactly it okay and you would have like if you were a free if it was free day for you you would have hung out with him for free oh totally yeah like if it happened if it happened to be like
03:11:22Brian Atlasa day that I was going to take off work anyway I would have hung out with him for free th% do you girls think that's kind of like pathetic though like he's like paying her 200 bucks to hang out
03:11:31D Cav (DJ)like I don't know it it's a little for me I think it's like I think that if someone did that for me I feel like that's like Dedication that they
03:11:41Jay Hannahwant to see me like okay how busy how busy were you how busy were you told I told you earlier I was like I work a lot I love money so and I would rather make my that's why I work so much cuz I would
03:11:54Brian Atlasrather make my own and not depend on a man so uh and then you said that uh you see a lot of stuff on Tik Tok oh wait hold on you see a lot of stuff on tick talk about how to marry a rich man and how to be more feminine to attract men
03:12:07Brian Atlasbut I think it's best to just be yourself because the right man for you will love it he's not going to criticize you for being too masculine I'm all uh not going to criticize you for being are you do you consider yourself too
03:12:18Jay Hannahmasculine or I mean I don't really even know what too masculine is why I mean maybe because I I work a lot maybe cuz I'm athletic I lift weights at the gym I don't know maybe some guys think that's
03:12:29Jay Hannahtoo masculine but I don't really care like I'm just going to be myself and I know whoever like my future husband is whoever like Universe wants me to be with he's going to love me the way I am
03:12:41Jay Hannahhe's not going to be like oh I mean I like her but I just wish she were a little more feminine like he would never say that he would just you know like me as not you I guess exactly okay and if he were to criticize me I would just I
03:12:53Jay Hannahwould just walk away cuz I dealt with way too much criticism from my exes and now if if a guy tries that now I just I won't even put up with it anymore you said that you're a lover girl and used to think you had to tone it down tone
03:13:06Jay Hannahdown that side of yourself and be more like a bad [ __ ] but now you're not afraid to show that side of yourself to the right guy yeah so that was you know again too there so much all this really
03:13:17Jay Hannahbad dating advice uh I was you know I was I was being told this information since I was in Middle School like 20 years ago reading magazines like before social media was a thing and like there would be all these all this dating
03:13:30Jay Hannahadvice of like oh don't text him back too quickly you're going to look too desperate or like don't don't make the first move the guy always has to make the first move CU you don't want to look too desperate and just all [ __ ] like
03:13:42Jay Hannahthat and have [ __ ] with my head for so long and I was like oh I need to be like it put this idea into my head that like if I'm too sweet if I'm too kind if I treat a guy too well he's going to think
03:13:54Jay HannahI'm too easy or like not enough of a challenge and he's not going to like me but it's like that's just who I am like I'm the same way with my girl with my female friends like my family like that's just kind of who I am and it's
03:14:05Jay Hannahlike I don't want to have to change that to keep a man like again too like the right guy for me he's going to appreciate it although I have had particularly with my my last ex the one
03:14:16Jay Hannahwho was very abusive like he really took advantage of my kindness and just really kind of like took took everything from me so now what I do is I'm just I'm a
03:14:26Jay Hannahlot more Discerning about which men what did he take from you everything like I were you were you making all the money or how did he wouldn't so he he wouldn't let me he wouldn't let me work actually
03:14:38Jay Hannahlike I was I was working for instacart and he he didn't want me working but then he also didn't want to work either and he would just beg he would call call his mom all the time and just beg his
03:14:48Jay Hannahmom to give him money cuz he didn't want to work and and then he also didn't want me working so basically he wouldn't let me work so while I was in that relationship with
03:14:59Jay Hannahhim like I I I lost so I lost so much money cuz I wasn't working and then I stopped paying my I stopped paying my credit card bills cuz I had no money to pay them and then I ended up just not paying not paying my credit card for
03:15:13Jay Hannahlike the whole relationship and then as soon as we broke up that was the first thing I did was I just started busting my ass with instacart again I was like like I was sad about the breakup
03:15:24Jay Hannahbut I was so excited to start working again he also he hated that I was into health and fitness so like he wouldn't let me eat healthy he wouldn't let me go to the gym I gained 30 lbs when I was in
03:15:35Jay Hannahthat relationship and then after we broke up I I lost I lost all the weight within 4 months after we broke up cuz I was so motivated by trauma like I wanted my old body back so bad
03:15:47Jay Hannahand now you know that was two years ago and I've kept the weight off ever since and like he he hated me being blonde for example like he would tell me every day he was like I like brunettes I like girls with brown hair and he would tell
03:15:59Brian Atlasme every day he'd be like you should dye your hair I don't like blonde girls and I'm like wait are you naturally blonde no but he hated that he hated that I wasn't he wait so you were blonde he
03:16:10Jay Hannahpreferred brunett and you're naturally brunette so you're saying I prefer the way you naturally are he was like but he I was blonde when he met me though that's the thing so it's
03:16:22Jay Hannahlike like when when I met him I looked you know basically the same as I look now I could see like a girl who's got like but did he has he ever seen you with your brunette hair no okay what
03:16:34Jay Hannahdon't say like I don't have any on my Instagram like I deleted them all oh okay yeah it was just like he had this thing too he would also he just hated anything fake can you stay closer to the mic oh sorry he just he hated anything that was fake was like the big
03:16:47Jay Hannahthing like like he would show me pictures of other girls on Instagram and he'd be like this girl's really pretty but she wears too much makeup or he would like criticize girls for getting like plastic surgery and lip filler and things like that it was just this guy
03:17:00Jay Hannahsounds [ __ ] awesome [ __ ] he was a natural body supremacist right yeah pretty much he was basically he was like he just it was just if it
03:17:12Brian Atlaswas fake in any way he just automatically hated it he wanted me to what was his name first name just first name Eli yo W's in the chat for Eli W's in the [ __ ] chat for Eli this guy
03:17:23Jay Hannahsounds like a [ __ ] Legend but I have a I have a million sto I have a million stories from that relationship he also heed on me too and that was why why we broke up uh okay but so going into it
03:17:36Brian Atlasyou said for as far as marrying a rich man your is this your ex- fiance or is that this is a different guy no this is a different guy so as for marrying a rich man my ex- fiance had a lot of money this this is what uh in your notes
03:17:48Brian Atlasyour ex- fiance had a lot of money he was also same ages uh as me not older we dated 5 years ago and I was broke and struggling at the time and I remember when we got engaged I was so excited to upgrade my lifestyle through him because
03:18:01Brian Atlasdeep down I didn't believe I could do it on my own when we broke up I thought I just wasn't the type of girl rich man wanted and now 5 years later I make a lot more money and I realized I never
03:18:12Brian Atlasneeded him to feel successful feel successful I wish him well but he wasn't a good match for me uh so that was your five wait hold on yeah that was that was
03:18:22Brian Atlas5 years ago yeah I was 2019 5 years okay gotcha and uh so you when you say he had a lot of money how much money did he have so he was a he was a software developer so he was a like a freelance
03:18:34Jay Hannahsoftware developer Yeah so basically like he owned his own business building building apps for businesses like for for iPhones yeah like seven figure net worth eight figure uh something
03:18:46Jay Hannahsomething like like that yeah yeah which one about seven figures yeah sure and I I met him on social media he's slid into my DMs on Instagram randomly one day
03:19:00Jay Hannahmhm and uh I was with him I was with him for 6 months he we got we got engaged really fast too that was another thing I went through cuz like before I was with him I was single for 5 years and like I
03:19:13Jay Hannahwas convinced like my pattern before is I would go on dates and I would date someone for maybe like two months or so at a time but the same thing kept happening where the guy would always be like I really like you but I'm just not
03:19:24Jay Hannahready for a relationship and that was happening to me over and over again so I thought something was wrong with me and then when this guy he finally wanted to commit to me and then when when we got engaged after only dating for 6 months I
03:19:35Jay Hannahwas like oh I'm finally I'm finally good enough to be someone's wife like after 5 years of just guys being not ready for me like now I'm finally good enough for this
03:19:47Jay Hannahbut looking back on it I mean I wish him well you know he wasn't a bad guy or anything but we just we weren't we weren't compatible there were a lot of areas where we just didn't have things in common and that's something I'm
03:19:58Jay Hannahreally picky about now is lifestyle compatibility like that is probably the number one thing I look for in a in a guy like in a relationship is lifestyle compatibility cuz I've built up since my
03:20:10Jay Hannahlast relationship ended I've really like come back and rebuilt my life so good and it's like my life now as a single girl is so amazing that it's like I don't ever want to have to give any of
03:20:21Jay Hannahthat up for a guy again so if he doesn't fit into what I already have like I don't want him okay and then you're a cougar I I did date a a younger man
03:20:33Jay Hannahearlier this year yeah for the first time you you're you're 33 and he was 25 yeah I was all again met him on Tinder seems to be I I have I have I have good
03:20:44Brian Atlasluck on Tinder it works for me somehow but yeah you said you said you were open to just hooking up which is why you had your age filters set ex the way you had them on Tinder uh and you said he
03:20:56Brian Atlasplanned like a really nice date or something we won't really get into the details of that but um big contrast from your last ex this really my my last ex
03:21:08Jay Hannahthe one that the one who was really AB really abusive like wouldn't let me work and all that he would hold on hold on pause for just a sec um he was abusive yeah so he he was was he abusive because
03:21:20Jay Hannahhe didn't let you work or were there other things too it was a just a lot of a lot of mental and EM just criticism all the time like trying to get me to like make over myself to look more like his type he was always like he was
03:21:33Jay Hannahtalking to other women the whole time I was with him he was cheating on you yeah he was he he never met he never met up with any other women but he would be talking to them like on Tinder and other apps the whole time I was phys physical
03:21:45Jay Hannahabuse or no no mental and emotional and he would say stuff like I wish your hair was a different color like that kind yeah stuff like that he didn't like my clothes he would like take me shopping and he would pick out
03:21:57Brian Atlasclothes for me and it was just the ugliest clothes that I hated um what just curious what other like would would he ever like call you names like [ __ ] that never never like
03:22:09Jay Hannahthat I was just always just criticizing me he would be like you you work too hard like you're workaholic you're too obsessed with money cuz I wanted to work instacart to pay my rent and not hang
03:22:19Brian Atlasout with them yeah so and then um he would kind of be critical of how much you worked did he want to spend more time with you wait I'm a little confused he wouldn't let you work but you worked
03:22:31Jay Hannahanyway or can you clarify so he would he would want he would go to work with me but then he would always want to leave like way earlier than I wanted to leave oh you guys did the like instacart thing together yeah we we try we tried to but
03:22:44Jay Hannahit was miserable cuz like he would just complaining the whole time and then he would want to leave super early and I would want to keep working but you said he prevented you from working I'm just a little confused he wouldn't let me he wouldn't let me work by myself but then every he wouldn't let me work by myself
03:22:58Jay Hannahhe always wanted to go with me but then every time he went with me he would want to leave super early so I barely made any money wait how long were you with him like 8 months eight months and this
03:23:08Jay Hannahis the wait the ex fiance no this is uh the guy that I met at right after it was right after the pandemic ended I started da him this isn't the young guy though
03:23:19Brian Atlasno no he was same age as me okay I see okay but he's the guy you met the young guy is the guy you met after the the guy who you're talking about now who was
03:23:28Jay Hannahabusive um what was the most abusive thing he did to you probably like there was there was one point this is it was like halfway into our relationship he
03:23:39Jay Hannahgot really into a Christianity and he got this idea in his head that he was like he wanted to stop having sex with with me because he saw me as his future wife and he wanted to save me like save me from Marriage going forward like he
03:23:53Jay Hannahwas like I don't want to have sex with you again until after we're married but then he would and then he would say things like it's because you're such a you're such a good woman you're so nice you're so good quality and have your life together but then he would talk
03:24:05Jay Hannahtalk about wanting to hook up with my roommate he would be like I want to have sex with your roommate cuz he's like a bad girl he's like a [ __ ] wild party girl so I want to have sex with her but I don't want to have sex with you and
03:24:16Jay Hannahyou have evidence of him cheating was you said he cheated on you correct so that was how that was how it ended so that was how we broke up was that he he met up with another girl on Tinder and
03:24:28Brian Atlasthen spent 48 hours with her and we were living together so I just kicked out I was there there was ongoing conflict though it sounds like in the relationship like was it nearing the end anyways or I mean it should have never I
03:24:41Brian Atlascould have never been with him in the first place but um and so uh because here's the part I'm a little bit
03:24:50Brian Atlasconfused about is I asked you for a couple examples and I of this alleged abuse
03:25:00Brian Atlasum so he you said he became a Christian and stopped wanting to have sex with you he had like criticisms of how much he worked maybe criticisms like he wanted
03:25:11Brian Atlasyour hair to be changed I don't know if this Rises to the level of abuse perhaps these are rude things or
03:25:22Jay Hannahitude JK he would he would argue though like he would say it in ways that were very argumentative like a lot of yelling is that okay so he was yelling at you yeah and then I and then I would start yeah he would yell and then I would
03:25:34Jay Hannahstart crying and then he would accuse me of like of like manipulating him he'd be like oh you're just you're faking your crying for attention when I would get
03:25:42Jay Hannahsad over him criticizing me okay so gas yeah yeah basically it just uh I don't know if some of the maybe there was me
03:25:53Jay Hannahto me it felt abusive it was emotional yeah to to me it felt abusive like maybe other people that might be nothing but for me that's how it because the the
03:26:04Brian Atlasinitial things that you cited to like he criticized how much you worked he uh wanted you to maybe dress a certain way
03:26:14Brian Atlasor wanted you to change your hair um I don't know if those things are abuse and it seems to be perhaps like obviously there's degrees to this sort
03:26:25Nikkiof thing but I don't know like I feel like that's ABT word that's abuse I feel like it's abuse to like not let somebody be able to do something cuz that's like
03:26:39Jay Hannahcontrolling may have been a better word I I apologize for that okay oh oh okay yeah I think I maybe I think I maybe didn't know the correct word but yeah basically yeah he was very
03:26:52Jay Hannahcontr he was very controlling and just all the things that I guess kind of like made me who I am like he took that he took that away from me and tried to turn me into a completely different person than what I was yeah is it wouldn't that
03:27:04D Cav (DJ)be considered emotional abuse yeah what what would be what like the situation like uh being emotionally abuse basically is like someone bringing you down as like bringing you down that's sure yeah he was bringing me down every
03:27:16Jay Hannahsingle day was he working did he have a job no he no he refused to get a job he thought he was like too good for it he was like he had money no was this the
03:27:26Cassieone you said that he called his mom for money yeah can I say something so it sounds like you were a placeholder and then he was trying to change you to be what he wanted you to be exactly that's
03:27:39Cassieexactly what he did you were you were trying to be yourself because you liked him and he kind of liked you and then you were trying to like you know when you guys you know having sex you're
03:27:51Cassietrying to make love and he's just trying to [ __ ] and you guys are not communicating that yeah I was basically yeah I was just um I feel like I definitely I I was probably a placeholder cuz I'm like I'm pretty sure
03:28:04Jay Hannahhe just kind of took advantage of me helping him cuz he was he was homeless when we met and I let him live with me I hear stories like this all the time all the time hold on he was homeless like you met met him on Skid Row or what what
03:28:17Jay Hannahare we talking here no I met I met him through a I met him through a mu friend he was a renting a room at a hostel in La whereas like my friend who my friend who I met him met him throughout the hostel my friend was like it was like a
03:28:30Jay Hannahfriend that he used to live in LA but then he moved back to his hometown in Texas and then he was like on vacation friend is the question friend he was a gay man so oh
03:28:42Jay Hannahokay yeah so basically this this friend he was on vacation back in LA and he was like oh I met this guy at my hostle who I think you're going to like you should come hang out with us and that was how but it but it was like he was staying
03:28:54Brian Atlasthere cuz he had no place to live unlike my friend staying there I don't this is a hot take I don't know if this is a hot take how about dating advice whether
03:29:03Brian Atlasyou're a man or a woman uh maybe uh maybe like if somebody's actively homeless maybe not the best person to date you know let them let them get
03:29:15Jay Hannahtheir [ __ ] let them will them after they get their [ __ ] together and that's fine I'm I'm pretty sure he still doesn't have his [ __ ] together I don't think he ever will but okay well you kind of
03:29:24Brian Atlasinvite certain things if you going into a relationship this guy has a is a drug dealer and he has face tattoos this is going he did have face tattoos actually
03:29:33Brian Atlashe literally did oh my God wait you have face tattoos yeah yeah how old you're 33 when did how old were you when you met him I was uh 29
03:29:44Cassie29 there's a lot of 29 and 30y olds that take in goodlooking guys that don't really have a place to stay because they feel lonely feel lonely yes the women feel
03:29:56Cassielonely and they you can't just get like an average dude with a job because they want a guy there that they can fall asleep next to so they [ __ ] him so that
03:30:06Jay Hannahhe could fall asleep next to them I hear stories like that all the time H another thing face tattoo yeah he and he was a SoundCloud rapper that was
03:30:17Brian Atlashis hey did he did he used to sell drugs too no has he ever been to prison no but he wasn't he wasn't alcoholic also that was another thing oh and Al how early into the relationship
03:30:28Brian Atlasdid you know he's alcoholic a few months in not right away you have an ankle monitor or anything like that no these girls oh I'm dating this guy with a [ __ ] face tattoo blasted in t blasted
03:30:39Jay Hannahin tats [ __ ] god dude another thing I will say though is I surprised you look oh my God sorry another thing I want to add though is I think did you fix him did you fix him no he's in because he
03:30:52Brian Atlaswas trying to fix you life advice ladies don't date men with face tattoos all that's another like simple thing you can do just avoid the guys with the face tattoos why are you talking [ __ ] about Mike Tyson
03:31:02Brian Atlasoh unless his his face tattoo is your name what are you saying that Mike Tyson should not be dated by women no look there are there are probably guys out
03:31:13Brian Atlasthere with face tattoos who are great people post Malone maybe it would just be easier you know look there's plenty of fish in the sea how about you just you know just like eh yeah dude another
03:31:25Jay Hannahthing you know another thing can I cut in is I really blame I think the timing had a lot to do with it cuz I met him it was a spring of 2021 literally like pandemic just ended I got my covid
03:31:36Jay Hannahvaccines I had been in quarantine we we all had been in quarantine for a long time yeah you went sluming for the basic face tattoo Al and honestly yeah I just think the
03:31:48Jay Hannahtiming I I remember getting my covid vaccines finally being able to like leave my house and do stuff again and be around people again and then I met him a few weeks later and I think it was I
03:31:58Brian Atlasthink the timing def he didn't get you pregnant are you just saying you were like mad for me and [ __ ] because I hear
03:32:08Jay Hannahwait so you did you did like full blown for like you did fullblown like stay at home you didn't [ __ ] for like a year type [ __ ] cuz of my my roommate my roommate who I was living with had a
03:32:20Jay Hannahreally bad anxiety during the pandemic and he basically like wouldn't let me wouldn't let me leave okay cuz he was he was like so scared that if I did anything I would give him they're like cob you had to clear out the [ __ ]
03:32:32Brian Atlascobwebs too many cobwebs had to clear them out had and [ __ ] it was a lot of men got very lucky in that period like
03:32:41Brian Atlasall the liberal women hadn't [ __ ] in like a year got need the need the the the jab first then bam floodgates are open
03:32:53Brian Atlasfiguratively and literally okay moving on thank you for all that appreciate it um and then I think that's it for the notes we're going to get into the juicy stuff in the questionnaire but first good friend Stiffler
03:33:06Brian Atlashere ask everyone to wrate their own looks on his own looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead oh gosh
03:33:14Ali Corinin the public eye probably a zero but for me like a eight I don't know okay the public eye is zero Zer was harsh Zer zero is freaking I'm sorry like come
03:33:27Ali Corinlike a five I don't know all right there you go okay so I was called an it at the beginning of this do you recall how this started someone referred to me as it oh the chat yeah somebody in the chat yeah
03:33:37Cassieum okay what about you um I'll give myself a nine all right Honest what about you I'd say like a solid seven that feels comfy okay um I would say a
03:33:50Brian Atlasone just because I have a lot of male friends and they're literally just friends so it's probably one what about
03:33:57Jay Hannahyou 10 all right seven okay yeah I'd say I'm I'm a 10 when I'm like done up like hair and makeup and then a nine when I'm right out of bed
03:34:10Jay Hannahand not wait sorry um so um she's said nine so wait sorry 10 yeah like if I if I'm done up like full Glam
03:34:22Jay Hannahhair and makeup 10 if I'm right out of bed then nine: right wait wait wait so right out of bed like like first a in the morning
03:34:31Brian Atlaswhen you wake up your PE no no she said nine out of bed 10 when she's like done makeup and all that yeah when I'm like glammed up get it right Desmond what about you I would say a
03:34:44Lunanine just cuz I'm not I would want to be at with like body wise so we okay so we got nine uh wait nine 10 10 all right we got
03:34:55Andrew Wilsona very attractive panel tonight my goodness Brian is so amazing you I'm so single-handedly you bring on the most beautiful women anywhere in California
03:35:07Andrew Wilsonall you have to do is ask them like a lot of [ __ ] sarcasm right there my feelings are what the best mean no no no there's no no sarcasm I'm telling you
03:35:18Andrew Wilsonamount of overwhelmingly gorgeous women who come on to whatever Bar None nothing else like it anywhere in the world I know because I've asked so many of them this question rate their looks and I
03:35:30Brian Atlasknow that they're the most beautiful women in the world just ask them uh you know what you need to do to convince Andrew what is you need to do
03:35:40Brian Atlasone of those like slowmo like wait hold on I got to put on like slow Mo like undo the hair and just like Let It shake out you know can you do that or is your
03:35:52Brian Atlasha is your hair not going to do that mean it will you take it out and just like let it my hair is so nice right now don't do anything for my hair so don't do anything for the male gays do
03:36:03Andrew Wilsonit for you but I can't well I can but for a feminist nonsense is that if you don't want to this because you like the M gaze did you ever think of that I didn't hear
03:36:14Andrew Wilsonwhat he said legitim IIT I said I said what if she's doing things like that because she likes the meal gaze you ever oh no I was just referring to this one specifically yes I'm an attention [ __ ] wait I you know
03:36:26Cassiewhat I want you have a nice body thank you honey wait who said that oh Cass okay are you by or you trying to no I'm
03:36:36Cassieenvious perky titties that's that's CU my titties are like down here without a oh word okay thank you that's only because I don't have titties dude I'm
03:36:46Brian Atlaswearing a push-up bra so my ex would hate me you're wearing a push-up bra it's fake who else has a sternum tattoo by the way anybody sternum tattoo sternum tattoo it's that the one not yet she she has like a
03:36:59D Cav (DJ)little dagger or some [ __ ] yeah and then like I felt that not yet yeah bar wire but I'm getting all of them removed what's the history of the dagger or sword or whatever um I just got it simply cuz I wanted a tattoo right here and then those tattoos artist
03:37:12Brian Atlaswas like this would look nice and I was like bet is it a dagger or Durk it's a dagger are you sure yes he said well the tattoo AR like it's a dagger yeah but what if he played a little did a little trick he did a little bamboozle and it's
03:37:23Brian Atlasactually a dirk well I don't even know what a dirk is you should get with the program and learn about Dirks because oh my God never mind uh Dirk let me Google let make sure I'm a short Dagger of a
03:37:35Brian AtlasKind forly carried by Scottish Highlanders D so still a dagger dagger it but there's different kinds of daggers mhm there's let me Google the
03:37:47Brian Atlaskinds of okay whatever mind a dagger dagg it is indeed a dagger so uh I did for the NES and tens at the table I want you to rate me rate my looks won't be offended you can give me
03:38:00Andrew Wilsona zero won't be mad you can give me a 10 I'll call you a [ __ ] liar go ahead wait wait as a 10 oh wait did I not rate myself as as a 10 and I know I have to be a 10 because there's that this many
03:38:12Andrew Wilsontens at the table of course I'm going to be a 10 as well um I I would I would have to rate you Brian
03:38:19Brian Atlasat oh I don't three maybe oh yeah friend yeah some friend some pal okay
03:38:29Brian Atlasthat was useful um so uh getting back to this anyways uh I'll give myself I'll
03:38:36Brian Atlasgive my rating uh afterwards I guess so I need a rating from you you and then you too go ahead I give you you eight okay shut
03:38:48D Cav (DJ)up I think yeah I think you're like you're handsome okay go ahead what you I'm to white men so I would say like a five she's into white man but no I say I'm not into white you're not into white
03:39:00D Cav (DJ)men yeah what what are you into like his Mexicans no you're bro you're hold on you're definitely into Mexicans like I datting a Mexican that's why I said earlier he's not my oh you're
03:39:11Brian Atlasnot you're not you're you're still dating a Mexican and having sex with him yes and letting him [ __ ] other women like multiple other women at the same time like the same day I don't care he's not my man he can do whatever [ __ ] he
03:39:23D Cav (DJ)want I mean she did say he wasn't her type like I literally said that fair enough what is her type Asians oh all right then cool I love me some I'm not
03:39:33D Cav (DJ)I'm not going to say it some that was a wise choice no love you some yeah what say it just say it [ __ ] it [ __ ] it yolow no it's it's racist send it oh you it's
03:39:44Brian Atlasracist yeah you're I was gonna say like a racer slurp but like I love me some the SE yeah don't say that don't say that yeah don't say that um
03:39:54Brian Atlasokay uh I guess rate me on a scale of one to 10 no for you rate me on no her ah I'd say you're like a you're like an eight okay what about you go ahead ra me
03:40:06LunaI say seven but if you put moisturizer on it would go up it would go up I'm not trying I'm just being helpful I got you know I got holding my composure being helpful
03:40:18Jay Hannahthough also more men should be into skin care like if a guy is into skincare it's [ __ ] hot ibody wants to dat young I look you know I got dry skin you know I got a little flakes going so it is what it is uh yeah I take really good care of
03:40:30Brian Atlasmy skin I want a guy who does the same anyways I give myself a five so uh wrong wrong wrong she was kind of on point I
03:40:40Brian Atlasguess I was I said so you only you prefer just Asian like black eyes no no are you half black half white yes I am I'm black white and Native American which is the part of you that doesn't
03:40:51D Cav (DJ)want to date black men they all remind me of my father that's not the question so wouldn't they remind you wait black I don't I think like for me I'm also into
03:41:01D Cav (DJ)like um like mixing races so like I don't want to be with a black man because my father's black I don't want to be with a white man cuz my mother's white like that's the kind of thing I
03:41:11D Cav (DJ)want I want you know I think of like more of a I like couples that are understand yeah like mixed up couples I like biracial couples wait a that makes no sense anybody that you have children
03:41:22Andrew Wilsonwith is going to be mixed race um what do you mean no matter what no matter what no matter who who you have children with the children are going to be mixed race no matter what I think I don't want
03:41:32D Cav (DJ)I don't want to are you 5050 no I no I'm not 5050 so you're like 25 2550 yeah kind of yeah so your your dad is my dad is native americ a Native
03:41:43Brian AtlasAmerican in Black so he's 25 or 50 Native American 50 black basically yeah and my mother is Native American in white okay so you want to get like you
03:41:54Brian Atlaswant to break down the percentages even more like you want to throw I just don't want to be I just don't want to be with my race at all like anything that I am you want to know damn so no
03:42:03Brian Atlaswhite no Native American what about Native of a different country like indigenous to Australia like the Aboriginal you wouldn't [ __ ]
03:42:14D Cav (DJ)Aboriginal like I'm usually Mexican bro huh that's why I'm usually with Mexican rans but aren't like Mexicans native is but kind of like it's
03:42:25Andrew Wilsonnative plus the Spanish I don't I [ __ ] work some that's true that's well that's Mis that's misos and mysos are uh a mixture that is that is most of
03:42:36Andrew Wilsonthe country yes they're a mixture of of but I've only been Spaniards and the native population that way W yeah yeah is Asians that's where would you date
03:42:48Brian Atlaswhat about like well I guess this would be a kind of Asian would you date I don't think they like what's the appropriate word for Eskimo nowadays Inu
03:43:00Jay HannahInu thank you Andrew would you date an Inuit what's an Inuit an esimo an esimo what's an esimo I think I believe it's native alas it's a Native American tribe but
03:43:12Andrew Wilsonit's like hang on I got a question for you that word let let let us pretend for a second that it was a Native American guy but he passed himself off as being Hispanic so you dated him right for two
03:43:25Andrew Wilsonyears he fell in love with him and then he came clean and said that he was actually native American not Hispanic is
03:43:30Brian Atlashe getting dumped yes yeah question what if what if like it's they're 75% Asian and 25% White
03:43:45Brian Atlasoh I could do aasian so you could do 50% Asian 50% white yeah 75% white 25% Asian
03:43:58Brian Atlasno 51% white 49% asian okay all right like if they have the features of an Asian man that's all I care about what if you were dating the guy and if plus they
03:44:10Andrew Wilsonhave to be bilingual they have to be bil okay okay but what if what if you're dating the guy and he thought legitimately he was Asian but then later he took a d hang on later he took a DNA
03:44:22Andrew Wilsontest and he found out he actually Hispanic and just really looked Asian no is he getting dumped cuz I usually don't
03:44:29D Cav (DJ)go for um um I like Taylor yeah wow so like Filipinos I wouldn't go for more like
03:44:40D Cav (DJ)stuff like that like the Japanese or the no not Japanese either would you their heads are too big would you date Nikki over there like if you were if I was a male
03:44:51Andrew Wilsonlike she's Cambodian yeah this is kind getting crazy can I say something slightly racist is that okay don't say absolutely
03:45:01Cassienot then then something else so I prefer black men but I can't find like a Stefan Urkel I keep on getting like Sheldon Coopers and part of the reason why I
03:45:13Cassieidentifi F is because I ignore those guys like I don't want white guys Asian like I want a black dude so how how tall you wait
03:45:25Andrew Wilsonhang on I'm sorry let me let me make sure I got this right cuz I think I understand what you're saying are are you actually saying that because you mentioned Steve Urkel Stefon yeah I
03:45:35Andrew Wilsonwould prefer like St the alter the alter ego you prefer the Stefon or the URL I prefer URL you prefer the urk okay I see
03:45:44Andrew Wilsonyeah instead you're getting the really goodlooking swaave ladies man who's awesome you no hang hang on hang on that's the step on though okay my bad