MEGA BLACK PlLL?! Fake VlRGlN Sarah?! Mormon Girl Tried To Sell Her VlRGlNlTY?! | Dating Talk 281

Date: 2026-02-09

Duration: 9h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAmelia (Phlebotomist)>

JJulia (Dentistry)>

EErica (Childcare)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica(guest)

SPEAKER_03Indie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kal Pit(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Meline(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lola Gold(guest)

SPEAKER_10Mahi(guest)

SPEAKER_12Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_13Vicki Sun(guest)

SPEAKER_14Amelia (Phlebotomist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLola Gold vs Meline: OnlyFans ethics debate

ControversyKal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote

ControversyVicki Sun would side with China over USA

QuoteJulia listed virginity for sale at $500K-$1M on Cinderella Escorts

ControversyKal Pit's hot take: re-legalize hitting wives. Near universal condemnation.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All guests introduce themselves.

OnlyFans/Sex Work Debate

Lola Gold defends OF. Meline/Julia push back.

Women's Voting Rights

Kal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote.

China vs USA Allegiance

Vicki Sun sides with China.

Sarah Stock Controversy

Conservative Catholic influencer who faked virginity while cheating.

Julia's Virginity Sale

Listed virginity on Cinderella Escorts for $500K-$1M.

Body Count Reveals

Range from 0 (Julia) to 12 (Lola).

Self-Ratings and Brian Rates

Most rated 5-6.5 by Brian.

Kal Pit's Hot Take

Bring back legalizing hitting your wife. Major controversy.

ICE/Immigration Debate

Mahi defends pro-immigration position.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasbeautiful panels uh ever tonight. I'm very lucky to get all these supermodels here in the building. Um, so you did I do think I I'll give you guys uh a rating.

Indie>> What? Why? >> So, >> hold on. Can I ask a question? >> Well, last time you asked us if we wanted to or not. >> Can I ask a question? >> I'm down. >> Everybody's down. Great. Okay. >> Can I ask a question though before you before you go and rate everyone?

Indie>> Why does it matter? And why do you do this on every single one of your shows? >> Uh, it's I mean, it's just one of our segments that we've done from the very beginning, but why why does what matter? like rating like rating people.

Indie>> No, just in general people why rate a person like why does their appearance matter that much? >> You don't care about appearance. >> I mean I care about my appearance to some >> obese like >> disfigured >> because they're not going to they're not

Indietaking care of themsel and obviously you have to have physical attraction to someone skinny guy who's like just really ugly. That has nothing to do with being able to take >> like I'd have to be attracted to the person I'm dating to some extent. So, it doesn't matter,

Brian Atlas>> but I'm not going to rate people that I'm talking to or dating. >> Would you date a guy who's shorter? Would you date a guy who's shorter than you? >> Yes. You saw that on my paper. >> You date any height unless it way shorter than you?

Indie>> Yeah. Well, you're 510. Definitely tall. But >> if some guy was like 411, like that might be a little hard >> and it might make me like less physically attracted to them. >> Okay. >> Like a step stool physically. Would you date a guy who's like 5'4?

Indie>> Yeah. >> Which is still very short for a man. >> If if I liked him and if I was attracted to him. Yeah. >> Question. How many boyfriends have you had? >> Uh four.

Brian Atlas>> Four boyfriends. Okay. Uh >> technically three, but like four, one of them will last a little bit. >> Of the four that are whatever. How tall were they?

Indie>> Um first one was 5'11. Second one 6 foot one. Third one was like yeah six foot one and then fourth one was

Brian Atlas510. >> Uh you've completely defeated your own position there with that acknowledgement. But >> okay I understand >> I don't care about height. Don't care about height but all my boyfriend's

Brian Atlasaverage total height above average. >> You got a point there. You do have a point there. But I am a women say they don't care about height. Women say they don't care about height but like conveniently all their boyfriends were. But have I been in situationships with guys shorter than me? 100,000%.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> Well, yeah. I'm not denying that it's possible that you've dated men. >> Height doesn't matter when you let down girls. I also think it's like, >> but I just I do find it interesting when women say they don't care about height, but the men they were in relationships

Brian Atlaswith conveniently. >> Well, we got a little off topic here. Why does like appearance matter so much that we have to like rate >> I'll tell you why I asked that. Because so what what you're you claim that you don't care about height though

Brian Atlasconveniently all the men you've dated are the majority of them were so 510's the male average you dated like above the male average of height. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Um to be fair you were also tall

Brian Atlasyourself. So I'll give you some leeway there. But so a lot of women would not date a guy who's short or shorter than them. >> And that's personal preference. You know what I mean? >> So that's creating a hierarchy based off of a measurable physical attribute. So

Brian Atlaswhen a woman says, "I wouldn't date a guy below 510 or whatever the metric is," you're rank ordering. You are creating a hierarchy of >> attractiveness based off of a

Brian Atlasmeasurement. So we can also do assessments of attractiveness and create hierarchies when it comes to facial harmony, facial. But why >> women do it? Well, women do it, men do

Indieit, we all do it, whether it's conscious or subconscious. You you >> we we obviously in our attraction is not really a choice. you see a beautiful someone and we're like, "Oh, I'm attracted to them." Oh, I'm not, you know. Yeah. But I'm not going to be

Brian Atlaslike, "Oh, like his nose makes him a two out of 10." Like like I'm not going to say >> subconsciously. You probably do make that determination though. >> Maybe. >> So like the the actually nose plays like

Brian Atlasa major factor in like the facial harmony and balance. So uh I say this as somebody who has a big nose like it definitely somebody's nose uh if they have a big nose that typically has a negative impact. I have a big nose like

Indieand I'm proud of that. >> Turn turn your face that way. >> I'm proud of that. And it's fine. I'm I'm confident. >> It's a little It's like a teeny bit, but it's really not. >> I'm confident in myself. And that's why

Indieyou said my ratings were low, but everyone has like flaws. I know I can acknowledge the fact that I have physical flaws as does everyone else in the entire world. And I'm I don't look like Adriana Lima or Megan Fox, but I'm still confident.

Indie>> If you got a tan, you could probably do okay. I'm so confident and happy with the way I look, you know, and that's fine considering all my flaws. Well, so I guess the reason why I ask it, why it

Brian Atlasmatters is earlier on I think it was you who was saying that women >> have a I don't know exactly how you framed it but you said women are

Brian Atlasdelusional like or they think that they deserve better than so I think I think it's important because if you can't assess yourself you're not going to know how to navigate when it comes to dating.

Brian AtlasSo if you think for by the way men can be fall victim to this too. This isn't a uniquely woman thing, although I think more women tend to have a mis

Brian Atlasincorrect self- assessment of where they stand in the dating hierarchy and the dating marketplace. Um, that's for a couple different reasons like, but

Brian Atlasdefinitely men can come to incorrect assessments. I think the difference, and we talked about this before, but just to reiterate, if you're an averagel looking guy and you step to a girl who's a

Indiesupermodel >> or an eight or seven or whatever, >> a number. We're human beings, though, >> right? >> That's the only way to quantify it. So, >> it's like also like it's like I

Indieunderstand where you're coming from with all this. Like, I do. I get it. But it's like I'm not going to meet a guy that I really really like and I'm really attracted to and put a number on his face and body and facial symmetry. You

Brian Atlasmight not, but everyone else does. >> My belief is >> I don't. >> Yeah. Can we get a like >> I'd love to Do you want to show me pictures like off camera of your exes and I can do an assessment of how

Brian Atlasattractive they are? Sure. >> Because I mean I'd be curious to see like if you're just >> exclusively dating only ugly men because you seem to make the argu you're seem you're forwarding this position that you don't care about looks. Um

Indie>> it's not that I don't care about looks. Everyone cares about looks to >> Yeah. So I'm just quantifying >> I'm just saying like >> I'm quantifying a real phenomenon. >> Step ahead to rate a human being a person. Put a rating on them. I don't know. I

Brian Atlas>> But that's what you're doing ultimately. Like you don't like the way I >> a number. I mean, >> right, but like you're doing it on the subconscious level. >> Well, if you have problems,

Brian Atlas>> can I could I show you a a series of 10 images of 10 different men and you would be able to be like you wouldn't put a number, but you would be like, "Here's the most attractive guy." Then this is the next, >> if you asked me to, >> the next most attractive guy.

Indie>> If you asked me to, but if you showed me a picture of 10 different guys, and my head's not going to be like, "That's the hottest one. That's the next hottest one, that's maybe I'll be like, you could probably order them." >> Maybe I would. Okay. But maybe I would look at the picture and be like, I'm the most attracted to that one. But I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to order them just naturally. >> No, but you could order them. >> Anyone could. Anyone could do that. >> You could. And even if you were to resist it on a conscious level, subconsciously, you would still be able

Brian Atlaslike you would still be feeling like the the most attractive man would elicit something in you that the least attractive man wouldn't, which would be

Brian Atlasattraction. But the the reason is is I think if you're like Dulu and and this is something that I think more women tend to fall into because of what we

Brian Atlastalked about earlier where as an averagel looking guy, if you shoot your shot with a beautiful woman, she completely zeros you out. You get [ __ ] nothing. You don't get a date.

Brian AtlasYou don't get a convo. Uh you don't get sex. You don't get anything. But as a woman, if you shoot your shot with a guy outside of your league or me, he might

Brian Atlaseven pursue you. He might just be like, >> well, trying to get some [ __ ] So, uh, >> and I do agree with that statement. >> So, what can happen is like if imagine

Brian Atlasif like you're an average dude and all these you you could smash supermodels, but none of them wanted to be >> in a relationship with you. that guy would be have the most confidence in the entire world. He'd

Brian Atlasthink, "Oh, I'm hot [ __ ] I just smashed this guy and this guy and I'm getting flown out by this chick and uh you know that Victoria Secret model, she flew me out and I I hooked up with that uh female athlete and that uh Taylor Swift

Brian Atlasblah blah blah." All >> guys would be delusional too, but men don't. And this is a indictment of men to some degree. Uh men don't have that experience. But as a woman, you could be

Brian Atlasa [ __ ] nobody, average looking chick, and you can deal with some and it could be in different dimensions. He could be really good-looking. He could be super famous. He could be a professional

Brian Atlasathlete. He could be like at the top top top. And so, can has a famous person ever slid into your DMs? >> Yeah. >> I think that like I I don't know. I

Brian Atlasthink >> [ __ ] Where Taylor Swift ain't sliding into some average dude's DMs. I can tell you that much. She done [ __ ] half of Hollywood, >> but she ain't sliding into an average dude's DMs. >> Well, yeah, but I I don't know. I don't

Indielike I mean, obviously I can't change this, but I don't like how much society places importance on female's appearance. >> Like especially like women like especi

IndieSo you don't think society places more of a importance on a women's looks than men? >> It places a massive importance on both, I think. >> Yes. I think but more on women because we're like we have this center to wear

Indiemakeup and get our hair done and like we it's a it's a standard right >> do women wear makeup for men or women or for themselves I should >> it actually depend well it depends on the woman >> right it depends on the woman >> women tell me that they don't wear makeup for men

Indie>> so what is it >> I think most women wear makeup for themselves but also to look good in front of men I think it's a mix both >> and also it depends on the girl like I think some girls like genuinely like are lesbian and they you know obviously they're not going to wear makeup for men so like I don't

Brian Atlas>> know. >> Well, I think it's more it's probably it comes down to social acceptability uh >> and if you makeup and all these cosmetic procedures, but >> I mean I think that I think women are

Brian Atlasreally harsh judges of male physical appearance. In fact, I think I think the >> the window of what women will deem

Brian Atlasattractive is way more narrow than the window of what men will find attractive. This could be body type. Uh I think there's other components here too. Let

Brian Atlasme think. Uh like body types. I think there's a much broader window of what's uh what men will deem as an attractive body whereas

Brian Atlasthe attractive body for man from a from a woman's perspective from the female gaze is really narrow

Brian Atlas>> really narrow. So for example, I would one component would be I think that when it comes to body fat percentage,

Brian Atlasthe acceptable range of body fat is much more wide in terms of what will be deemed attractive on a woman >> than what would be deemed attractive on a man. >> Well, women are like known to have a

Brian Atlaslittle bit more body fat anyway. >> No, but I'm saying the range. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, if your body fat could be anywhere from 10% to 30%. I think the acceptable range like you can have women going into thick territory and a lot of men are

Brian Atlasreally into that. You can have women who are really thin and men will still appraise the thin female body as attractive. I think the the natural

Brian Atlasfemale body without any training is going to be appraised as attractive, >> right? Whereas I think like okay you look at a skinn girl will have like the

Brian Atlasthings that men care about when it comes to body attraction those things tend to come about more naturally in women. So, it's going to be more curves. That stuff

Brian Atlascan come about more naturally. Whereas, typically, when it comes to female assessments of male body attractiveness, that's typically strictly through training. >> Like abs is what you're talking about.

Brian AtlasLike a skinny, a dude that works out with muscles, like muscular is like the body. >> Yeah. Like a girl can never has stepped foot in the gym, never did a sport in her life. as long as her body fat

Brian Atlaspercentage is low, uh there's going to be uh more men who are going to appraise her body as attractive. Whereas like some some twinky look, some girls like

Brian Atlasthe stick dudes or whatever, >> but I think most women generally like for them to deem a guy's body as attractive, >> the body is going to be a bit athletic. I'm not saying like [ __ ] steroided.

Brian AtlasActually, girls, I think dislike the when guys go too far with it. depends on the girl. That's the male gaze, like the steroid or whatever. I think women prefer more like athletic body to like

Lola Goldsomewhat built, but not going into like the super gigantic. >> I think just a man takes care of his body basically. You eat good food. I mean, I don't know. Some girls like a good dad.

Brian Atlas>> Also, also look, I think there's other things in terms of women caring more about looks than men. I think the things that women care about, men can't really

Brian Atlascontrol. Whereas the things that men care about uh well it's more in control for women. So like the three top things I think women care

Brian Atlasabout would be hair, it would be height, and it would be penis size. >> Wow. >> Men can't control any of that. Well, >> your hair a little bit, but

Brian Atlas>> a little bit. But you got to do like quite a bit of medical intervention. Like if you're going to be Some dudes be balding in high school. Uh so >> okay

Brian Atlas>> uh men can't really control their hair absent medical intervention. They can't control at their height period. Uh and the surgeries are >> ill advised for the height. I mean you're basically going to [ __ ]

Brian Atlasyourself >> if you do it. And then penis size can't do anything about that apparently. I mean I heard that didn't the German Olympic team like >> inject. Do you guys hear about that? >> No. >> To give them She knows what I'm talking about. Like

Brian Atlas>> I heard there's like a surgery you can get. >> They were like skiers who do the I don't know what that doesn't matter. >> More surface area. Um >> make them more streamlined. >> No, I don't know. I think uh and then

Brian Atlasthe things look obviously a woman can't really grow her breasts for example. I mean she could try to get fat. >> Maybe that helps a little bit but not really ill advised. I don't think that's

Brian Atlasa good trade-off. Uh, and then but like being thin, that's like the primary thing. Women can definitely control that. And then but I think I >> think those are the three things that guys care about the most.

Brian Atlas>> Well, in terms of No, no, not the most. I'm saying in terms of >> Well, oh, in terms of body. I thought you meant just in terms of looks in general. >> No, no. I I mean, you know, I actually did a poll on this. By the way, some some guys are boob guys, butt guys. I'm

Brian Atlasa Leia guy. >> We know >> labia. It goes labia, butt, and then boobs. >> Okay. >> Anyway, >> but what's that? Big. Exactly.

Brian Atlas>> Uh [ __ ] What is it? Um Oh, I did a poll. Would you rather, And you girls can answer this from like your perspective. Would you rather a guy H.

Brian AtlasWould you rather a guy with a 10 face but a five body or a guy with a 10 body but a five face? >> 10 face. >> Yeah. >> 10 face. >> 10 face. Lethal Face card. >> Yeah. >> 10 face. >> 10 face.

Brian Atlas>> 10 face >> into the mic. Ma maha. >> 10. >> Mahi mi. >> We got to get get her some salmon or something. >> I don't care. >> You don't care. Really? You don't care? Come on. >> Nothing comes to mind.

Brian Atlas>> It's about personality. Okay. >> No. No. I Yeah. Sorely agree with you >> to some extent, but it is about looks. >> Yeah. When I asked this of men though, I actually got really interested. I asked

Brian Atlasit on X and I think I had like 10,000 respondents. It was mixed. The guys were like, some picked the five face, 10 body, 10 face. Me personally, 10 face. >> That's interesting. I think that like >> body.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, yeah. >> Let me ask the chat right now. Wait, chat. For a woman, 10 face, five body, or five face, 10 body? Wait, did I get that mixed up?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> No, I think you got it right. No. >> Wait. 10 face, five body, or >> five face, 10 body? I'm getting confused. >> A lot of people are okay. A couple 10 bodies. 10 bodies. I Yo, you got to pick 10 face.

Indie>> Well, you got some >> lethal face card. You have to because think about it. >> It's personal preference. >> Yeah. Although, you have to think what is a five body really? >> It's average. >> Just a regular body. Just like someone that like >> the average American body. So then

Indiethat's like obese. >> That's like obese. I mean, actually, yeah, I guess. [ __ ] that's actually tough. It depends what we mean. Like, >> what do you what would you consider a fivebody?

Brian Atlas>> I wouldn't consider it obese because I'm thinking of it from the >> from the aesthetic perspective, not the distribution. >> So, I don't think the five

Brian Atlas>> uh or do you have to wait chat, do you have to view it from a distribution perspective? Because I would put a five body as just like maybe there's a little chub, but

Indienot like OP, you know? It's just like average. >> Some guys that's some guys preference though. I don't know. But like yeah, it's teach their own. There's a different like flavor for every guy out there. Like I don't know. Literally

Brian Atlaseveryone out there >> face >> that's going to at least like the benefit for the kids. >> Like you want to give your kids a lethal face card like the body. You can work on

SPEAKER_00that, you know? Can't do much with the face, you know. All right. >> Oh, what the [ __ ] >> Spice donated $100. >> Yo, what? >> I puppy chair nine and I'm more attractive than brain. Who would puppy

Brian Atlashim? >> What does that even mean? >> Oh, it changed [ __ ] to puppy. >> Who would [ __ ] him? >> Uhoh. >> Who's chair nine?

Brian Atlas>> That's me. >> We are married, right? >> Get it, girl. >> [ __ ] She's married, bro. How spice. How you talking? >> How are you saying this to a married woman?

Brian Atlas>> Her her husband's going to find you. >> Okay. Well, uh, anyways, I don't know where we're going with all this. Oh, the looks thing. The looks. I'm going to rate everybody. Great. >> All right. Don't rate me. >> I'm rating everybody.

Brian Atlas>> I'm opting out. >> Sorry. We have We're doing my wish. >> Why don't you give my ex I have to rate everybody. I'm sorry. It's the new segment. We have to do it.

Brian AtlasWait, do we cuz you asked me last time. >> Close your close your ears. Just close your ears. Um, I guess. >> Are you rating our body? >> But I don't even know why you'd object to it because you said I when you rated

Brian Atlasyourself a three, I said you underrated yourself. So, how would you actually giving you a higher rating? >> Here's the thing. I just like don't I just like don't care and I don't really want to. >> Then why did you come on the podcast if

Brian Atlasyou knew this was happening? >> Cuz I wanted to challenge it and I did. >> I mean, you didn't. I challenged it to be honest, but you tried. You know, it's the effort that counts. But okay, >> I got answers to what I was looking for.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)You just have to like accept things we don't want to necessarily be a part of. Like, >> wait, what? I'm not even saying I don't >> like cuz last time I was here, you asked me if I wanted to be rated. Like, I just don't want to >> I just don't care. I don't want to hear

Brian Atlasit respectfully. >> Fair enough, you know? Like, it's just not >> Okay. Well, I Hey, you know, cover your ears, I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Oh my god. Oh, what the [ __ ] Did not mean to press that. Okay. Uh, let's see here.

Brian AtlasThe ratings. Okay. Actually, do I You know what? Why don't Ah, [ __ ] it. Well, let Whoa. >> What if we raided each other? >> Oh, yeah. You girls will totally be honest about that one.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> What? Just let's let's do it. It's like 11:00 at night. We've been here for 6 hours. >> Oh my god. If you want to leave, then [ __ ] leave. I'm I'm just >> Get the [ __ ] out then. >> No, I'm quite happy. I'm fine. >> I'm fine. >> Oh, you're leaving.

Brian Atlas>> It was nice meeting you all. >> I didn't even Well, you got to stay for You should stay. >> I got to finish your notes. We got to do your notes. >> Wait, is that things Was that thing

Brian Atlasstill on? Okay. I don't even know. Um All right. Uh okay. Um where are we? Uh h I'll rapid fire it. I won't even

Brian Atlasgive you the breakdown on >> the I usually give a positive and a negative. I'm not even going to do that. I'll just give the rating. >> Uh oh, I should have written down all your ratings. Well, [ __ ] Can you just repeat your rating back and then I'll

Indiegive it >> I said a 3.5 or a 3.5 face a four body overall four. >> I'm not going to rate bodies. I'm just going to do face rating. Um

Brian Atlas>> uh just look straight at me. Look that way. I give you uh between a I want to say five and 5.5. Uh you >> I rated myself an eight.

Brian Atlas>> Eight face. Okay. Uh can you turn that way? >> More. More. Okay. Thank you. >> Uh are you wearing color contacts? >> Uh I'm wearing brown. Yeah, >> you are wearing color contacts. Okay. >> But I can't take them out cuz I need to see.

Brian Atlas>> No surgery. >> No surgery. No, nothing. This is >> not even like the eyelid surgery. >> No, these are my natural eyes. >> Okay. Um >> do they not look like it? No, I think I

Brian Atlasdon't think you have the surgery, but just asking if you have any surgery. Um,

Brian Atlas>> I almost want to give some positives because you have some strong striking features, but I've got to rapid fire this for the sake of time. >> Um, >> I I want to say you are wearing a full face of makeup though. Are you wearing

Vicki Sun>> No, I'm only wearing makeup over here on my cheek. I don't wear makeup on my forehead. head. I don't wear makeup over here. I can smear it. And my naturals, my brows are natural. I don't fill them in or anything. So, >> uh, you are wearing mascara. Do you have fake lashes on? >> I have lashes on. >> You have lashes on. >> Do you want me to break down my whole

Brian Atlasmakeup routine? I feel like you're asking so much about it to try to pick something to make. >> I think I'd give you a seven. 6.5. >> I thought we can't pick seven. >> 6.5 to Well, I can pick seven. 6.5 to

Brian Atlasseven. You're wearing so much makeup. You're the You got the the crazy lashes. >> My Instagram without makeup on. It's really hard for me to make assessments of like full face makeup. Like the It's

Brian Atlashard. Uh I'm going to You have lip filler. Um >> I know you're bias. It's all right. >> Uh I want to say five to 5.5. Maybe six. Uh Lola, what did you rate yourself? Or

Brian Atlaswhat did you rate yourself? >> Nine and 10. >> Nine and 10. Okay. What did you rate yourself? >> Like a nine 10. >> Nine. Uh okay. I think you're 5.5. >> Wow. Thank you so much. There's many people. There's people gooning to this

Brian Atlasright now for me. >> Sorry. >> Oh, what? >> Cuz you're beautiful. >> That's an eight. >> Thank you. >> Eight. Um, can you turn your face that way? >> Uh, okay. All right. Uh,

Brian Atlas>> you're so funny. >> I want to say I I have to rate within the phenotype, so figure out what the whatever the [ __ ] that means. Um, I I want to say and you are wearing full

Brian Atlasface of makeup into the mic. Is that correct? Like >> are you wearing like uh foundation or No, I'm just on the face. >> No, concealer and blush. >> Concealer. Okay. That that's on the face, right? That's >> just under the eyes.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Um I want to say between 5.5, six. Uh you What did you rate yourself? >> I said eight for face. I said six for body.

Brian Atlas>> Eight for face. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and say uh 4.5. >> Uh what did you rate yourself into the mic, please? >> Six. Six.

Brian Atlas>> Uh h are you you're not wearing any makeup, are you? No. No plastic surgery. >> No. >> Uh can you guys scoot into the table a little bit so you're closer to the mics?

Brian Atlas>> Uh actually I think for your phenotype uh pretty striking features. I want to

Brian Atlassay uh I want to say six 6.5 for the phenotype. Uh what did you rate yourself? An eight.

Brian Atlas>> 3.5 or four. What about you? >> I said three. >> Into the mic, please. >> Three. >> Three for the face. >> Yeah. >> Um I think that's pretty accurate. I I agree. What did you rate yourself?

Brian Atlas>> I said six. >> Six. Uh so awkward. Uh >> 5.56. I think you're trolling. I give myself

Lola Goldsuch a troll. I give myself a 4.5. That's where he gets his clickbait. Don't worry. >> How's that clickbait? >> Oh, come on. Oh, come on. >> If I wanted to be and it's pretty obvious of a type, too. Like, you've said what your type is on previous episodes. >> You're a

Lola Goldso much, girl, because >> he said he likes Asian, white, and Latina. So, that's Thank you very much. >> You know what? >> What? >> What?

Lola Gold>> What? What? You're lying. Like she's beautiful. And you gave her face a >> what did I say? >> Lola gold. >> What did you say? Four, five. >> I think I got a four. I think he rated

Lola Goldme a four out of 10. >> And you're definitely a 10. >> You're so pretty. >> He's actually just it's it's honestly it's just for the views. >> If I wanted to rage, I'd just say you're all none of you should take that seriously at all,

Erica>> guys. Attraction is up like beauty is in the behavior. That's true. That's true. Absolutely. >> It's very subjective. But you said you like actually be attracted to her.

Kal Pit>> But very subjective. Well, you made a face when I said something about my body though. Like you don't like thick girls. >> Um but I mean >> it's a personal rating based on your preferences. >> Yeah, but I'm just doing face ratings.

Lola GoldI'm not rating body. >> You're so funny. But don't you think you're biased cuz you have a tight rate of you asked. >> What did I give you? I think I gave you a six. >> You didn't. >> I said, didn't I say 5.5? >> You said 4.5.

Brian Atlas>> No, I did not give her 4.5. You guys are literally [ __ ] lying. I think >> I think you said 5.5. >> Yeah, 5.5. I'm pretty sure I said 5.5 to six. Can somebody in the chat >> watch? >> Okay, watch them.

Indie>> Go watch them play that. If your men are going to either way, it's personal opinion. It can't be right or wrong. >> I Yeah, you definitely should have. You have enough money.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, but if I rage bait, I would just say you guys are ones. I I mean that I'm >> Well, that would be >> I'm doing a >> a rating based off of uh to some degree

Brian Atlasobjective metrics. >> But what are those objective metrics? >> Yeah, sure. So it' be like uh facial harmony, facial

Brian Atlassymmetry, skin clarity, uh facial thirds, uh certain individualized positive characteristics,

Brian Atlasuh this sort of thing. I mean look here here if this helps give understanding of my scale. Five is

Brian Atlasaverage. Five is not ugly. Five is average. Most people are average. Doesn't mean you're ugly. It just means you're average looking. A lot a lot of people will still be attracted to you

Brian Atlaseven if you're average. Five is average. Six is cute. Seven is pretty. Eight is beautiful. Getting it. And some people even can be like model tier. Nine is

Brian Atlaslike top top top elite. There's no such thing as a 10. That's that's the metric. So 5.5 would be cute. Your cute territory.

Erica>> Oh. And are you like comparing her to other like white women? Is that what I think he's doing? >> Is that what it is? Because you're like phenotype and all this. >> Yeah, you have to be conservative of the phenotype.

Erica>> Okay. So, comp comparative to women who look like her, she's 5.5 or whatever. >> Yeah. I mean, well, in totality. >> Amazing. >> Interesting. >> You do you you disagree? >> But also yours.

Brian Atlas>> What do you >> No, I think she's a 10. Her face and her body. And I've seen ugly models, too. You said models are like nine or something. >> That's woke [ __ ] where they like

Indiewanted to make obese women models. >> No, I'm not even talking about obese. >> But I'm talking like genuine like undisputably attractive beautiful models. >> No, but you're talking about like facial harmony, not traditionally.

Indie>> You're thinking of like high fashion catwalk [ __ ] I'm thinking of uh Adriana Lima. >> Oh, okay. Well, I'm saying like high fashion models aren't true. Sometimes they have >> attractive kind of

Kal Pit>> unique faces weird. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not talking about that. >> Yeah. So, you don't think people that are peculiar or unique could have their own kind of beauty or like look more striking than the general public? >> They they can. Um, but I'm saying that

Brian Atlasthere's a tendency for like high fashion catwalk modeling to not all the time, but typically with a high fashion, they tend to pick people with sometimes

Brian Atlas>> more unique looks that wouldn't from a like uh from like a purely aesthetic scale kind of deviates a little bit. >> Why you I don't know why you guys are so upset. I didn't >> rate anybody as

Indie>> Oh, I'm not upset. >> I don't know. girls are a bit upset to be honest. >> I think that yeah, everyone has a different ide. >> Oh yeah, I know. I'm Hey, I'm below average looking. I I'm I don't think I'm

Brian Atlashot [ __ ] If you want to rate me, you can rate me, but given the tenor of the conver >> Given the tenor of the conversation, I think the rating will be retributive. Given that I gave you guys lower ratings than your own self- assessment, I don't think you'll

Brian Atlas>> you can do it. I don't think you would give a like >> even if I disagreed with any of you tonight, I'm not going to like intentionally give you a rating lower because of that. I try to be as

Kal Pitobjective in my ratings as possible. >> How can you be objective if you have a type though? Like you've said in other episodes that you are biased towards white, Asian, and Latino women. So that means whoever's not in those categories. >> Indians are technically Asian.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But is that when someone says Asian girls are my type, they're not talking about Indian girls cuz Indian girls look different from >> Well, yeah, everybody of course my perhaps my own personal biases will have some impact on the rating. But uh >> so then it's not objective if your bias

Brian Atlasis getting in the way. >> Well, yes, it's okay. Any sort of looks assessment is not going to be strictly objective and pure philosophical terms, but there are objective metrics by which

Brian Atlasyou can rate a face. For example, some somebody's interpupilary distance. That is an objective metric that you can measure in somebody's face. >> What is that? >> Uh so interpupilary distance would be like for example, if somebody has really

Brian Atlasclose set eyes or it doesn't even have to be really, but as you scale your eyes closer or farther apart, that's going to have an impact on your facial harmony.

Brian AtlasUm, and that's going to typically if it's not within a certain uh amount that is deemed within the norm, then that's going to typically have negative

Brian Atlasuh impact your looks assessment. And that's just purely objective. Like the distance between your pupils, that's not like that can be objectively measured. So yeah, or somebody for example who has

Brian Atlaslike a long midface, like if you have a really long midface, so that's like here to here. Basically, that's going to have an impact on your facial harmony. All right. These girls really don't like

Ericathis. Yeah. Go. Yeah. Don't like it because it uh I don't know. Does it hurt the fee fees? >> No. >> I mean, you rated me what I rated myself, so I don't know.

Lola Gold>> Yeah, you were that off. You rated me high. I didn't come here for validation. >> Same. >> Okay. All right. Well, um >> I know. >> I don't know if there's any uh to those of to those women who rated themselves like a nine or a 10, which I believe was

Brian AtlasWas it you? >> It was an eight. >> Eight. Okay. You said 910. What did you give yourself? >> Like a nine. 10. >> Wait, hold on. What did you write here? >> Literally nine slash.

Brian Atlas>> Nine. Nine or 10. Okay. Uh anybody else say nine or 10? Okay. Um, can you tell me a woman celebrity who you think is a 10?

Lola Gold>> Currently Margot Robbie. I'm so obsessed with you. >> What about like uh who was the actress? >> Sydney Sweeney. >> Yes, Sydney Sweeney.

Brian Atlas>> Who was the actress? Um, >> I'm trying to think here. >> Uh, Megan Fox. Do you guys think How would you rate Megan Fox? Oh, not allowed to clap. Sorry. Tan

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> Megan Fox. >> I'm trying to like think I don't really keep up with a celebrity. I don't I think Google I'm trying to remember fully Fox >> cuz I don't want the dark eyes and like dark makeup like long black hair. Right. >> No, green eyes.

Kal Pit>> Transformers. She was my gay awakening. Like genuinely Megan Fox in Transformers. >> Gay awakening for that was every scroll up. >> You're only talking about her when she

Brian Atlaswas in her 20s. She doesn't look like that anymore. Uh that everybody okay but um we can she looked like this at one point so we can use this as a reference guideline. Um so >> what do you rate Megan Fox? >> 10. >> Into the mic please.

Brian Atlas>> 10. >> What do you rate Megan Fox? >> I I believe she's a 10. >> Okay. So as a benchmark for what a 10 is >> in her own category. >> In her own category. I'm not sure what that means. Would you do you consider

Brian Atlasyourself do you consider yourself to be as physically attractive as Megan Fox when she was 20? I would say yeah cuz I think >> then what about you? >> Yeah. >> All right.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> But it's like two different it's two different things though cuz it's like I am a 10 in like the alternative space like in my own mind. But two like

Amelia (Phlebotomist)societal standards of like beauty. I think I've also hit most of those marks. Like this is like a stereotypical like exactly what like the perfect woman deemed by probably 90% of society would

Amelia (Phlebotomist)view as that, you know? So, I think it's beauty is an eye of the beholder. Whatever [ __ ] but it just varies on who you ask. I'm sure some people find Megan Fox not attractive.

Brian Atlas>> So, who who do you guys who here thinks is like a guy who's a 10? >> Timothy Shalom. >> Brad Pitt when he was younger. >> Tim Timothy is not a 10. He's a good-looking guy, but he's not a 10. >> Brad Pitt when he's younger.

Brian Atlas>> He's a 10 >> compared to Have you seen Brad Pit? Young Brad Pitt. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> he [ __ ] mogs the [ __ ] out of Timothy. >> I think personal opinion, I think Timothy >> I'm sorry. There's no way I You like his personality probably, but I'm sorry. Just from a purely aesthetic point of

Ericaview, >> purely aesthetic like I think Timothy Shalom is more my type. >> Yeah, I think that Brad Pitt is handsome, but his face is kind like when people are to me when people are super symmetrical, it's boring. It's like give me some

Indie>> I like a little Yeah. >> some quirkiness to that face. Like >> pretty symmetrical face, but um he has like drooping eyes. He's got like really like he's got unique features. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A little bit. I mean, he has I think he

Brian Atlashas a bit of a negative canthal tilt, but um >> uh who's a 10 guy for you? >> My boyfriend. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, like a an actor that we can

Lola Goldlook up or we can we all know. Okay. What about you? >> David Beckham. I'll know who's >> Oh, why would you say that? >> I don't know. He's British. >> Harry Styles. >> Sorry. >> Harry Styles is a 10. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> All right. So, >> give me curly hair cute boys all day long. >> So, I mean you guys if if I you guys are all kind of upset and you feel like I'm being insensitive, but if I were to sit here and say I'm just as attractive as

Brian AtlasTimothy Shalom. I'm just as attractive as Brad Pitt. I'm just as attractive as Harry Styles. You guys would [ __ ] clown on me. You guys would be like, "This guy's [ __ ] delusional." No, you

Brian Atlasguys would be like, "This guy's [ __ ] delusional. This guy uh clearly delusional. He thinks he's way more attractive than he actually is. What a [ __ ] clown. What a joke. >> Mhm. >> But y'all don't want to take

Brian Atlasaccountability for your own delusion. That's crazy. >> What What's the delusion? >> Who's delusional here? >> The the delusion apparently. >> The delusion. >> The delusion is we have women here who

Brian Atlasthink that they're on par with Megan Fox or elite supermodels and nobody wants to say anything. But if I if I say I'm on par with elite male supermodels, all of you internally are like [ __ ] going to

Vicki Suncringe and be like >> because that's really far off. Yeah, they are really bad. So it's close enough, but like you it's like you know what I mean? Like huge gap. Even you said yourself 4.5 below average. >> It's a huge gap for all of you too.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I think we've both done we're both done modeling. >> Oh my god. What does modeling mean on in [ __ ] 2026? What does that mean? And also that's not Oh my god. Anybody's

Amelia (Phlebotomist)a model with the same as Megan Fox said it's two different categories of 10. Two different categories of tens. >> Like you appeal to two different types of audiences. They're closer to Megan Fox than you are to Brad. >> I think the range is very different.

Vicki Sun>> I'm totally willing to accept that. But you're you're leagues below Megan Fox. >> Then you're hundreds of leagues below Brad Pitt and whatever. You know what I mean? We can >> that's totally fine. I'm I'm not >> let's all

Brian Atlas>> I think his argument is he's willing to own up to that but some of the girls in this panel aren't willing it's our actual opinion that's what we think I'm a even if you think I'm a three if you think I'm a three and I think I'm a 4.5

Brian Atlasyou're talking about like leagues of difference at least I'm close to the assessment whereas you have women who frankly are about average looking maybe a little bit above average looking or

Vicki Suneven below average looking who are assessing themselves at like near elite tier looks. >> Why does it matter to you? >> That's such a gap. That's such a >> casm. We can talk about gaps then. We can also talk about how the photos you're comparing of Megan Fox are the

Vicki Sunones you're finding on the internet versus right now you're seeing the girls in real life. Do you think Megan Fox looks like what she looks like on Google 24/7? Probably not. Right. So, at sometimes you could probably agree like when she just gets out of bed on a day-to-day average without the good

Brian Atlasangles, without the camera, everything, she's probably like a 8.9. I don't know, etc. Well, then whatever woman you think is a 10 that that and there's wide agreement that that woman is a 10, we could just use her.

Brian Atlas>> If you don't think it's Megan Fox, I mean, I would argue I I don't know. Maybe yes, obviously in Hollywood, they're sometimes using filters. The lighting is perfect. The angles are perfect.

Brian Atlas>> Uh I I understand that, >> but yeah, Megan Fox probably from when she was 20, you put her in this room, no offense, she moss the women in this room. Mhm. >> Correct. >> Well, yeah. That's why she's famous, cuz she looks like that.

Indie>> Brian, why do you think we're here, not in Hollywood? >> Why does it matter so much to you how these women rate their own looks? >> Thought she's so funny. >> I mean, it seems like you guys are the upset ones. You guys are the ones giving

Indieme push back and I'm simply responding. I mean, it's it doesn't really You're framing is what? It upsets me. >> Well, you're just you keep saying like, oh, like she's not a 10. She can't say that about herself. She's not in Megan

IndieBox's league. Like, it's just not accurate. Cuz the truth is we're not allowed to have self worth. Remember, >> it has nothing to do. >> Why does it matter to you? Like like I said before, everyone's like version of what's attractive to them is different.

IndieSo if like she wants to say that she's a 10, she feels confident in herself, like period. Like that's amazing. That's good. Like have >> Yeah. Do you guys give give men that same leeway? >> Yeah. If a man that's >> Yeah. You women really love averagel

Brian Atlaslooking dudes who think they're hot [ __ ] That goes really that that really goes over well with women. >> Mhm. >> Please. >> I mean, I don't know about every woman, but I know I for me, >> bro. Y'all clown on dudes who think

Brian Atlasthey're hot [ __ ] but they're not. Stop [ __ ] this [ __ ] about, "Well, if he's really confident, yes, queen." No, y'all [ __ ] clown on dudes who think they're hot [ __ ] but they're not. >> I haven't. >> And you see it. You know it. >> Wait, but

Indie>> but you give women a pass. Why do you all give women a pass on that? >> When have I done that, though? I just think that we're actually If she thinks she's a 10, go queen. >> No. When have I done that with you on men who used to clown on men for their

Brian Atlaslove? >> I'm not suggesting you clown on men, but y'all are way more willing to give women the pass on this. Whereas women are really harsh judges of men's attractiveness. >> Yeah. >> But I'm not talking about me in particular.

Brian Atlas>> I'm talking in general. I don't know about I don't know about your specifics. I'm saying in general, women will big up other women. You look at a bro, you go

Brian Atlasto a fat girl's comment section and it's all her friends saying, "Oh my god, I wished I looked like you. Slay queen, you're so beautiful." They're gassing their friends up. Gassing the [ __ ] out of their, to be fair, unattractive female friends.

SPEAKER_04>> Okay, >> slay queen, you're so beautiful. I wish I looked like you behind the scenes. She's so [ __ ] ugly. Like, bro, I know how some of y'all operate. >> Well, that's some fake ass [ __ ] It is fake. That's how >> women are fake. Women are socialized to

Brian Atlasbe >> y'all will y'all will like be all uh sugar and spice and everything nice uh to a girl's face and as soon as she leaves [ __ ] that [ __ ] You guys will do that. >> I don't have friends like that.

Indie>> But it seems like >> girls go girls. >> Yeah, girls all the way. >> I understand that's a stereotype that a lot of women operate that way, but it's not fair to say all women do. I'm not saying all women do that, >> but it is a phenomenon that is observed in women.

Brian Atlas>> Agreed. >> Like I'm not >> Bro, my male friends, they're like, "Brian, you're getting fat. You're getting chubby." And they're right. It's true. But have you ever heard a a fat girl be like, "Yeah, I'm fat. I should probably lose weight." No, that would

Brian Atlas[ __ ] crush them. >> I've heard women say that. >> [ __ ] crush that. No, women are not like that. Women will be like, "I'm fat and I'm hot." No. I'm [ __ ] chubby. I need to lose weight. I acknowledge that.

Brian AtlasI acknowledge that my current weight situation is really suboptimal. Have you ever heard a fat girl be like, "Yeah, I'm a fat piece of [ __ ] and my current situation is suboptimal." No, they

Kal Pit[ __ ] cope. They cope. >> Well, the ones that say that end up going to the gym and losing weight, but I think I know what you're talking about. Like the girls, the body positivity, they feel like men should be entitled to being attracted to them even

Indieif they're like a size 20, you know? So, >> look, the reason it matters >> to each their own. Some guys like their women a little bit bigger. >> Look, that I I really you can you can

Brian Atlasthink whatever you want. I I I'm really just I'm sensing the friction from you guys and I'm responding to the friction. You guys have taken great offense at really I think I rated most of you

Brian Atlasaround the average mark. Some of you above, some of you below, but that's not rage bait. That's not If I wanted to rage bait, I'd just say you're all zeros. You're all [ __ ] the ugliest women ever. No, you guys are between most of y'all are basically average to

Brian Atlas>> What gave you the idea that we took great offense to that? We didn't. He's just saying that. >> You guys Yes, you guys did. You guys >> like two women. >> I'm basically getting gas lit now. Two women did get upset.

Brian Atlas>> Two like two >> You guys get upset. You got I did not get upset. >> You were Yes, you were like so funny. I thought it was nice that you gave me literally upset. >> I genuinely wasn't at all. And this will be clipped and it will show that I was not upset at all.

Erica>> You were liter Okay, >> you know, I really wasn't. I promise. >> You were one of the people that got a little upset and you were like, there are people who are whatever over me. You got a little upset. I didn't get upset. I think I don't know. I thought it was nice that you I didn't think you were

Ericagoing to give me a six. I was like, "Oh, he gave me a six. I was going to go lower." But I I don't know. I feel like there are like two women who got You definitely didn't get upset. You did. Like two people got upset about it.

Indie>> Just don't let his opinion get one. He just rage bait. I just think he doesn't have taste. Like >> I also think I also think >> I don't think you do. >> I think that your opinion of yourself matters out of anyone else's opinion.

IndieYour opinion of yourself and how you value yourself, that matters the most. So like if she wants to call herself a 10, if you don't think that she's a 10, >> let her have her thing, you know? >> Yeah. He's more mad that she rated herself as a as a 10. >> I'm not I'm not

Brian Atlas>> I think you're very bothered by women themselves as a 10. Well, I mean there I think there is a a kernel of truth to the frustration that can be experienced

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to dating because I do think and you brought it up. I do think it's the case that women have an have a a inaccurate self- assessment of where

Brian Atlasthey stand when it comes to how attractive they are. And so what you see happening because of the phenomenon we talked about before where women can sleep outside their league, women can deal with guys who are more attractive

Brian Atlasthan them, have more status, have more money, all these things. Um, this is going to tend to and women will gas them up. Oh my god, you look at the girls comments on Instagram. Oh my god, Slay Queen, you're so beautiful. Blah blah

Brian Atlasblah. Women gas each other up. Uh, women can have a y'all y'all look at yourself in the mirror or not even that. You all look at yourself on Instagram with your filters, with your makeup, and you just your assessment of your looks is filter

Brian Atlasmakeup. It's not like straight out of the shower, completely bare face. It >> is though. >> That's fair enough. But so what ends up happening is basically you have massive

Brian Atlasamounts of women who here's what I see happening. Uh there's a Mary, can you Google hypergamy chart, please? I wonder if I've posted it somewhere in the Discord. Let me actually see. I think

Brian Atlasultimately you have what you have happening is women don't want to date their equivalent. Women are hypergamous. Women want to get the best that they can

Brian Atlasget. Men too, but women act as a sort of a a bit of a bottleneck into that because we already talked about how women uh they will not just entertain a

Brian Atlasguy strictly for sex. They won't they will not do it. Whereas men will entertain you for sex. So, for a couple different reasons, you're you're going to be assessing yourself as more attractive than you actually are. Like, if I was [ __ ] running through models,

Brian Atlasbut none of them wanted to date me, but I could [ __ ] them. And they were, you know, they were coming at me and I'd probably think I'm hot [ __ ] too. I'd probably think I'm hot [ __ ] too, because I'm And then the girl who's in

Brian Atlasmy league, who's a five, who's average looking, who's going to give me commitment, I I overlook her. I pass on her because I'm like, well, why would I deal with the average girl who is

Brian Atlasactually willing to be in a relationship with me when I can get attention, affection, and sex from women who are more uh who are more enticing than her, who are more physically attractive than

Brian Atlasher. But that phenomenon doesn't exist for men, but it does exist for women. And that's why I think there's a tendency for women to be a bit delusional as to where they stand. In

Brian Atlasaddition to that, once you've had a taste of the good life, it's very hard to go and date the normal guy. Once you've dated a super wealth guy or super good-looking guy, maybe he only gave you

Brian Atlassex and that was it. You're going to be looking at Joe Schmo and may maybe you're the equivalent. You're an average chick, but you had a taste of the good life, a taste of the good dick. How are

Brian Atlasyou going to go and date an average dude? You're not. You're [ __ ] cooked. It's over. You're going to be resenting. You're going to resent that guy. Or you wait until you're 30. [ __ ] None of the

Brian Atlasreally hot guys who I [ __ ] from 18 to 30 wanted to wife me up. So, time to settle. And then you're going to marry that guy. It'll last seven years. You're going to divorce him because you're

Brian Atlasdissatisfied because he's not as attractive. The the dick's not as good, whatever it is. And uh it's just a [ __ ] recipe for disaster. Do you have the hypergamy scale? Uh, this is going to be down.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, this is essentially it. So, women are chasing after the top tier of men. They're chasing after the top tier of men. And you'll get you'll get them for

Brian Atlassex and then eventually when you're in your late 20s and 30s, you're going to settle down. Maybe you'll end up with an average guy

Brian Atlasand then you're going to be uh, let's say really dissatisfied in your relationship. Look, I just think >> because of their looks or >> it could be a whole bunch of different factors. The things that make men

Brian Atlasattractive can be varied. >> Uh it could be personality, it could be looks, it could be for everyone, right? >> It could be wealth. It could be status. Well, men don't really care about your career >> about wealth. I guess >> men don't care about women's career or status or wealth. >> Yeah, it depends on the man.

Brian Atlas>> Women don't share their resources with men, so it doesn't even matter. Even even if men did care about it, we wouldn't receive a benefit. I remember when I was a bit younger, uh I think I was in my mid20s and I was dating an

Brian Atlasattorney and she was making three times as much as I did. High-powered civil litigation attorney. I think she was 26 or something. Uh she still wanted me to pay for the date. She made more three three times more than me. So even if I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to deal with a a woman who's got plenty of money and she can afford the date, I still don't receive a benefit from her money and her wealth. Men are just more generous in that sense. It's like y'all women don't share your

Ericaresources really. Like you're not prepared to hold it down really. Like if the guy loses his job, y'all you you're not really prepared to hold a guy down like that. >> Oh, yay. Brian figured it all out,

Brian Atlaseverybody. Why are we even here? He has all the answers. >> Well, I think that's passive aggressive. Hold on. Let me respond to that. I mean, you can be passive aggressive with your response or you can actually contend with my argument. At this moment, I'm

Ericacurrently getting crickets. So, if you're going to allow me >> Okay, let me speak then. Okay, so I can speak for myself. I don't know about everybody and I do know women who take care of their men. I know men who are

Ericastay-at-home dads. Like, I've I've seen this and I like you as you did this little thing with the questions. Like, I've paid for first dates for myself and

Ericaa man and I like to go half on things. Like, I don't want to make whoever I'm talking to feel like everything is on their shoulders. That's me. So when you're like you girls like a lot of this

Ericacrap you're saying does not apply to me. I don't know about y'all but and and it does apply to a lot of women. I know a lot of women who have this thing about the majority I do have a thing about height for sure. I don't like dating

Ericatall guys. I want I don't want a guy taller than six feet. Like it's too much. It it's not functional too. Like on top of a really tall guy and his head

Ericais way up there. It's like >> I do I just my my favorite relationship was with a guy who was a few inches taller than me, but it's not why I'm speaking. >> I feel like you speak for very like not

Mahispecific, but you speak more for like conservative men. >> Like I've asked >> what do you mean? >> Like I feel like there are men who care about like women being intelligent and like >> I didn't say when did I say anything about intelligence?

Vicki Sun>> Well, I feel like intelligence mostly translates to the career women have. >> Not really. Do you think rappers are intelligent, but they make a [ __ ] ton of money, don't they? >> I get what you're saying. No, I feel like it does. >> But like rappers don't really have to use their brains or anything. There's nothing that intellectual that comes with rapping,

Vicki Sun>> right? But you would agree that you can still be like a really high income earner and like be [ __ ] stupid, >> right? But I'm not going to be like, "Wow, he's a rapper. Oh my god, he's so smart. He's so attractive." But like if you if you were a guy like okay you said it doesn't matter for a woman but like

Vicki Sunfrom my perspective if a guy was a rapper versus like a doctor and they the rapper made more I'll still be more attracted to the doctor than like the rapper if that makes sense. I don't know. >> Uh perhaps >> so I think like a rapper analogy is like a like maybe is there another one you

Brian Atlascould >> maybe you don't have an affinity for rap music. Do you prefer is there a different genre of music you prefer? >> Well like >> it's not about I don't think it was about the music. It was just like rapping was just like a bad career to

Brian Atlastalk about when it comes to >> Right. But I mean I I could see a woman who might otherwise be more inclined to date a doctor. But if it's I don't I don't know who's like a a musician that women are just fawning over. I don't

Brian Atlasknow if women like Justin Bieber anymore. I don't know. Uh >> see that. >> You're saying there's no musician you can think of that you would prefer to date that super successful rich musician

Vicki Sunover a doctor. In all instances, you pick the doctor over the fa super famous musician. >> Well, I can't think of I actually played music for like 12 years of my entire life. So, I know some, but I can't like

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Say like what are you trying to say? >> I think going back to her point though, I'm not really interested in the the My claim wasn't about intelligence. My claim is that so men don't really care

Brian Atlasabout a woman's ambition, her career, her money, her status, these th these things even. >> So what do you care about? >> I'll get to men do care about ambition. I think think a lot of men want a woman

Brian Atlaswho's ambitious. >> It depends what we mean by ambition. But your career that's not going to make you more attractive to a man. >> But the things it takes for you to get to that career shows a lot about your ambition and the type of person you are.

Vicki SunIf you're like >> not really >> really okay. >> Like you don't think a girl that's like in medical school would be more attractive to a guy than a girl that's just as like a nail artist. >> You don't think it shows more about like her ambition and her work ethic and how much she went through to get to going

Brian Atlasthrough medical school being in like etc. etc. You're just okay well she's in medical school. Okay. What? Like >> I mean it doesn't tell you anything. >> I think it can be indicative of certain positive characteristics but I don't know if men prioritize those positive

Brian Atlascharacteristics. I think there's asymmetry between what men and women find attractive. >> You prioritize lobbyia, huh? Like BLM. >> Uh I mean that uh sure I guess that that

Brian Atlasis one component of it. But yes, I would say that men typically prioritize uh I I'm be I'd be prepared to say that men do prioritize looks over a woman's

Brian Atlascareer. That's for certain. Uh I I wouldn't dispute that. But I I would say that when it comes to the career success, etc., Men don't care about it for a few

Brian Atlasreasons. I think it's there's an evolutionary basis for it. I think men in a traditional role, men are the providers, men are protectors. Uh that's been typically the dynamic between men

Brian Atlasand women throughout history. There's an evolutionary basis for it then. Uh but also even if men were inclined to care about it, it doesn't occur to me that

Brian Atlasmen even reap a benefit when women are obscenely successful or uh whether financially or they have status. Me men

Brian Atlasjust don't have that draw. Um and I I would also say like and the reason even if the draw was there, there's not actual benefit. Like if you're dating a rich guy,

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> your life is pretty good. Your life is pretty good as a woman. Uh can be. Anyways, a lot of men will be very can be at least more, let me frame it like

Brian Atlasthis. Men are more generous with their money in a romantic setting than women are generous with their money in a romantic setting. You'll hear stories where uh a girl has [ __ ] $100,000

Brian Atlasworth worth of savings and her boyfriend is paycheck to paycheck and he's still paying for the bills. He's still paying for dates. Do you think that that's

Brian Atlasequitable? >> A woman who has $100,000 in savings and her boyfriend is paycheck to paycheck. >> No, I feel like that's pretty extreme. In that case, I

Vicki Sunthink like >> the expectation >> for for some people not for everybody. >> Yeah. >> I'm all about like guys providing and stuff, but I feel like if it's really to that extent where like you're genuinely paycheck to paycheck, then like Yeah.

Brian AtlasLike in a relationship, the girl should step up, support each other. >> What about on the first date? >> The guy should still pay, right? >> Well, why are you going on dates if you're paycheck to paycheck and broke? Like that's >> So people of a lower socioeconomic

Vicki Sunstatus should just die. No, not just die, but it's just like, well, okay, if it's the first date, I wouldn't know that you're living paycheck to paycheck. So, yeah, I would still expect you to pay on the first date. >> Men shouldn't date, but broke women can

Brian Atlasstill date. Do I have that clear? >> I don't think so, necessarily. >> But they don't men don't expect women to like financially do anything really

Amelia (Phlebotomist)early on. So, there's there's no block to them dating financially. >> I'm sorry, I don't understand. I I think that if both if if both parties are

Amelia (Phlebotomist)doing paycheck to paycheck broke like coming into that point to start a new relationship that takes on a lot of responsibility financially for both parties. >> Paycheck to paycheck isn't necess Well, I mean you might say that's broke. >> It's not it's not broke, but I'm just

Amelia (Phlebotomist)saying like you need extra money for extracurriculars, right? Like going like I like to go to festivals. I like to do fun things like that. >> And the man should pay for it. >> Cost a lot of money. Um no, not every

Amelia (Phlebotomist)time. If I if I initiate a big a big this is how I think of it. If I initiate a big activity, event, trip, something like that and I have the ability to pay

Amelia (Phlebotomist)for that, I believe that honestly I should pay for that. And I do sometimes. And I think if there's like a balance, there's like a beautiful harmony that can be found where neither of you are like fully dependent upon the other. But

Amelia (Phlebotomist)there's like a a beautiful middle ground where it's like if someone gets laid off, someone gets sick, you can help them out. Vice versa, you know? >> Sure. Uh I think that's fine. But >> but overall, the man should be the

Ericaprovider. I I agree with that. Every date I've ever been on, first date, I always expect to pay for myself. And if a guy um chooses a place where I know I'm like I cannot afford this bill, I

Ericawill let them know and they're like, I got you. And I'm like, okay. But I never I have never expected a man to pay for me on a first date. >> But do they do it anyways? >> I pay for myself without them knowing. They got mad at me like, "No, I should be

Brian Atlas>> do it anyways." >> Sometimes. >> Do they insist? No, no, no, no. Sometimes some of them, >> right? So I >> But that's not my fault. Like I didn't expect you to do that. Look, I acknowledge sometimes the woman pays for

Brian Atlasthe whole meal. Sometimes it goes 50/50. I would say majority, so over 50% of the time. There is typically even you could I would say, well, I would say 99% of

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