MEGA BLACK PlLL?! Fake VlRGlN Sarah?! Mormon Girl Tried To Sell Her VlRGlNlTY?! | Dating Talk 281

Date: 2026-02-09

Duration: 9h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAmelia (Phlebotomist)>

JJulia (Dentistry)>

EErica (Childcare)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica(guest)

SPEAKER_03Indie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kal Pit(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Meline(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lola Gold(guest)

SPEAKER_10Mahi(guest)

SPEAKER_12Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_13Vicki Sun(guest)

SPEAKER_14Amelia (Phlebotomist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLola Gold vs Meline: OnlyFans ethics debate

ControversyKal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote

ControversyVicki Sun would side with China over USA

QuoteJulia listed virginity for sale at $500K-$1M on Cinderella Escorts

ControversyKal Pit's hot take: re-legalize hitting wives. Near universal condemnation.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All guests introduce themselves.

OnlyFans/Sex Work Debate

Lola Gold defends OF. Meline/Julia push back.

Women's Voting Rights

Kal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote.

China vs USA Allegiance

Vicki Sun sides with China.

Sarah Stock Controversy

Conservative Catholic influencer who faked virginity while cheating.

Julia's Virginity Sale

Listed virginity on Cinderella Escorts for $500K-$1M.

Body Count Reveals

Range from 0 (Julia) to 12 (Lola).

Self-Ratings and Brian Rates

Most rated 5-6.5 by Brian.

Kal Pit's Hot Take

Bring back legalizing hitting your wife. Major controversy.

ICE/Immigration Debate

Mahi defends pro-immigration position.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> OSHA. Thank you. There wasn't [ __ ] OSHA back then. You go in the coal mine, you work 12 hours. You piss in a corner. There's no

Brian Atlasbathroom breaks, no 1 hour lunch break. Uh, and I don't know, you die at 40 for the last 5 years of your life. You can barely breathe. Your [ __ ] oxygen, what is it? Oxygen level. The O what

Brian Atlaswhat >> your O2 levels or whatever your [ __ ] You guys ever had like pneumonia or been sick or some [ __ ] [ __ ] co you're

Brian Atlas[ __ ] can barely breathe and [ __ ] >> five years of that then you die >> like [ __ ] I think I think women kind of had the good deal

Amelia (Phlebotomist)now look there's obviously jobs now that are more comfortable and safe and >> I have kind of a hot take with this um back then I agree exactly with what you're saying it wasn't safe it was there was clear roles notice the time

Amelia (Phlebotomist)that when feminism really started to begin getting pushed was around the time when comfortable workplaces started evolving. >> Sure.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> And I believe that it was a scop by the government that was designed um with paid actors to come in and riot and do things like that to mentally like again

Amelia (Phlebotomist)like sigh up us into thinking that women are equal to men in the workplace which they still the jobs were still not the same back then. They still had crazy conditions but is becoming slowly more

Amelia (Phlebotomist)accessible um and comfortable so to say. Now you have double taxes. You have two parents out of the home. I said this last time I was here. Your kids are in a public system that got taken over by

Amelia (Phlebotomist)people who god knows what they're teaching. It's the perfect destruction of the original American dream or whatever. And it's ended us here with like we've lost the plot of feminism. There is no more feminism. It's just

Amelia (Phlebotomist)radicalization of evil. And here you are however we're pushing 50 years later and it's it's a whole new idea. It's just not even it's it's exactly what they wanted. We're playing right into like

Amelia (Phlebotomist)liberation of females, the over consumption of porn and only fans. It it was just a setup. Like I know that's very based on tape, but that's honestly what I believe because it just makes sense like on the map the history books.

Meline>> I think that too cuz you were saying that it's really comes down to choice, right? And I don't think that's necessarily true. I don't think that's what feminism is anymore because if it

Melinewas just about choice, it would be okay that sometimes women just choose to do other jobs. We just choose to, you know, be teachers and that's fine. But I think

Melineit's it's not equality of um opportunity anymore. It's equality of outcome. Like we need to force women into these or we need to lower standards. And I'm so against lowering standards so that women

Mahican be part of certain jobs. It's just a bad idea all around. And I think that we've done that in many instances. >> Kind of like any idea or any kind of group, there's going to be always radicals who push it. Like you I feel

Mahilike everyone now always like generalizes like oh um they I think they now think feminists are like mis misandress like women are they are I mean no but I think women and men are equal but I just feel like now like

Mahithere are feminists who just believe like they we just want a choice and that that's what it is. And yeah, there are also radicals who push for more, who want for more, but then that shouldn't just kind of make everyone look down on the whole idea because like the whole

Mahibasis of it is just women just want a choice. And that's how I look at it. That's how I think about it. And the extremes of it I don't agree with. Like I feel like we're pushing too hard for all of that. Like I feel like right now

Mahiwe've made good progress, but like now like since the radicals are like pushing so much of it and then everyone just looks down at the whole cause and thinks that it's taken too. We reached the goal so long ago. So it's like what are we

Amelia (Phlebotomist)doing now? We reached the goal so long ago. >> You can nuke >> I guess what is the point of feminism? >> What is the point anymore besides to like split up families and like make these like crazy women >> but what what is the purpose of feminism

Brian Atlastoday? Like so that's what I'm asking. Women can work. Women have choice. Women have freedom. Women have the vote. >> So what I guess what is the purpose of feminism? >> [ __ ] can create division. You said that well there's a lot of double standards

Mahifor women and men. There is for me is there's still a lot of double standards. Like it's not like I'm preaching for anything. It's just I say like I'm a feminist. I still believe in like when it comes to hooking up and women having a high body count verse men having a

Kal Pithigh body count. Like >> how are you going to you can't legislate men to not have double standards. >> But it basically just feels like in patriarchy that men never face consequences for their actions. And because that women are kind of

Brian Atlasscapegoating like okay for example >> face consequences in patriarchy. >> Yeah. No they don't. men invented. Hold on. >> Like people minimize what men do all the time. >> Are there just is there a justice system that can operate under a patriarchy?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> And even wait this I actually believe there there's this concept of the women women are wonderful effect. Uh I actually

Brian Atlasbelieve that typically even in a patriarchy which I to some degree reject but it depends what how we define patriarchy. I actually think society is gyocentric. uh you actually see for

Brian Atlasexample when it comes to being held accountable if we look at crime for example uh women actually get let off way easier. There's studies on this. Women receive far less harsh punishments

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to crime. They're much much less >> much more likely to either get probation their their charges reduced uh if they do get charged with an equivalent crime. They're going to serve less time. their

Brian Atlasprison conditions uh prison conditions for women are much better much more safe than the conditions for men. So I mean this idea that men aren't held accountable if we're in terms of are you

Kal Pittalking about crime? >> No, I'm talking about like socially like if a guy complains it's seen as oh he's just speaking his mind when a girl does it. It's seen as nagging. Like even like with Kendrick and Drake when they when they went at it with their rap beef,

Kal Piteveryone was praising them. But the minute Taylor Swift writes like a slight diss track against another woman, it's why can't she act her own age? Nobody was telling those guys they need to act their own age. Like it's just stuff like that. Like >> wait, when did

Brian Atlas>> women are the Hold on. Women are the f the consumers of female pop music. So that's women who are being critical of other women. Men don't know or give a [ __ ] about the beef that Taylor Swift

Brian Atlashas with whoever. What are you talking about? How would that be evidence of the patriarchy, the evil patriarchy? the men or uh have a double standard when it comes to male and female pop stars.

Kal Pit>> What? Men don't know about the Taylor Swift beef. What? >> I didn't know about it. I don't even know. It was just an example about how like men like women always get told to act their age, but men don't. Like that

Indiewas just the example. >> I mean, I reject I've never heard of I mean, >> does doesn't like anyone who acts kind of immature get told to like ask their age? Like I I don't know. I've never really >> I feel like people minimize what men do

Amelia (Phlebotomist)a lot emphasis on younger men to perform. >> I think there is I think that if you're at the age let's say probably from like 19 to 26 I think there's a way heavier emphasis

Amelia (Phlebotomist)in society to overachieve to have performance anxiety versus like a woman who's just cruising. She's like oh you know I'll start like beauty school a little bit later on in life and be done. It's like a man might be like [ __ ] his pants because he's thinking all these extra things like how am I going

Amelia (Phlebotomist)to provide? How am I going to live up? Like I think it's honestly that's just the way it is. No, >> I would agree with that. >> I I live with it. I have a younger brother. Like it's the pressure on him was astronomically different than the pressure on me and I'm the eldest sibling.

Kal Pit>> Well, like there's also a double standard where like I feel like when men are a little bit quirky, no one cares. Like they're like, "Oh, that's just Steve." But when like a girl's quirky, it's like she's annoying, she's evil, she's this, that, and the third. Like >> is is this from personal experience? Cuz

Kal PitI don't see >> I've never been called annoying for me. I mean, I see people like like they make POVs on TikTok all the time like mocking women that are a little bit. >> Is this your reference right now? >> I mean, I'm just giving an example. You guys can't nitpick like every example like I give. Like

Mahi>> I feel like you're not giving good examples. Like I feel like if you look at body count, like women with high body count are disregarded more than men with high body count. Like women's sexuality is still it's not the same as how men's sexuality is looked at. Like if I'm

Mahibringing examples of double standards, I would look at that like sexuality most importantly. Like men can express this however they want, but women are still judged greatly for it. >> If you're going to name a stereotype, then you have to have an example to back it up with, >> you know.

Meline>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, you guys got mad in my example. >> Well, un mad. I think it's it's just a lot of generalizations that are one vague and then two when we ask you to give an example, it's like well this one

Melinetime this happened and it's like okay well that was one experience like and we all feel >> you are also talking about your experience. >> What when have I cited it? Like multiple girls on here have like talked about >> said I was citing an experience. So when

Melinedid I site an experience? >> So there you go. Splitting hairs again. Like >> but she's not trying to convince us of something. You're >> Yeah. I'm having a conversation. I'm asking questions. I'm ask and you're saying like this is my experience or don't you guys think this? And we're all saying no.

Indie>> Yeah. Unfortunately not. So >> not a mean way. It's just it's vague and there's not much to back >> relate to it. >> That's okay. sometimes you'll have an experience or um something that you believe in that maybe other people won't

Melinehave that same experience or won't you know agree with the generalization >> um to talk about what you were talking about the the pressure that's put on men to perform and provide and protect and

Melineall that I like I kind of feel like if anything what modern feminism has done is give women that same type of pressure too cuz if anything I feel like I don't

Melinereally have a choice like I have to go to work now I I can't afford my I have to like take care of myself and hope that one day I marry someone that makes enough to provide for the entire family.

MelineBut that's not the case for most women. So, if anything, I feel like in that regard, it's kind of taken >> our choice away cuz before >> Yeah. Like, yeah, I guess that was my point.

Brian Atlas>> She makes a fantastic point. You mentioned choice, right? Uh so yes there is more freedom for women to pursue various professions and making money but uh she is right that it has taken the

Brian Atlaschoice away from women who might have otherwise been inclined to uh stay home like that choice is gone for 97% of women because of the economic reality

Brian Atlasand by the way I'm not saying that just to be clear I'm fine with I think it's fine that well it's not just fine I agree that women should have the choice choice, but we have to what are the consequences?

Brian AtlasUh even with good things, there are perhaps unintended or negative consequences in this case when it comes to women's uh equal participation in the

Brian Atlasworkforce. And look, there's other economic components to why this is the case. But if you double the labor pool,

Brian Atlasyou are uh corporations love that uh because it drives it drives wages down. >> And so now we live in a society where

Brian Atlashistorically you could support a family on one income. And typically the job that could support a family wasn't it wasn't like you you're some high-powered attorney. You could have like >> a farm.

Brian Atlas>> In fact, I think perhaps even historically you could even have a minimum wage or close to minimum wage job and support a family like wife, kids, wife doesn't have to work on that

Brian Atlasuh income. And so, look, I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to work, but it is the case that through feminism, uh, that is perhaps an unintended consequence that you've taken the choice

Brian Atlasaway from women who otherwise did want to just, hey, I don't want to work. I want to stay at home, have some kids, raise the kids. Now, it's like you force, you're sort of forcing the women

Brian Atlasto to go to work, I guess. Um because you can't the economic reality for most people you can't have a family and raise kids on just one income for most

Juliafamilies. I mean if you're a really high earner then you can but uh it has taken another choice away. >> How do we reverse it? I wanted to ask that with like the scop. How do we reverse what we've done? Like >> I don't think you honestly

Mahi>> like the only way to reverse it is women don't work again. Like it's it's either or. Like yeah, we had an unintended consequence, but at least women have the choice now. But like it's either women never worked and only men did and they

Mahijust were the ones who provided or now women have the choice. And maybe I mean I'm sorry for the women who don't want to work and they do. But then there's also women who want to work and who also I honestly I like the pressure of having to do well in society because why should

MelineI be any different from a man? Like men have the pressure and they have to perform well. I also want the pressure to perform. I think you can do well in a society without having to having a job,

Melinelike a an actual job. I think you can be like I think women that raise their children to be good people are doing the best thing that they can for society. That's also like we should also be uplifting people that choose to do that.

MelineBut again, you said like, well, at least we have the choice. It's there's no choice. I have to work and it doesn't empower me. I don't feel good that I have to like slave myself every week at work. I I do it. >> So just women don't work then. Like that's

Meline>> I at this point I couldn't answer now that like >> all of this is has happened. I I don't know what we would do at this point and because we're in today's economy too. I don't know how you would change that. So

Brian Atlas>> I I really don't think that there is currently a solution. I think >> there is none. >> Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't really put it back. Um I I

Brian Atlasthink there could be societal changes in the future because of uh automation, robots, AI where we could potentially be

Brian Atlasmoving towards or even get to a post scarcity society where you basically nobody has to work. I mean I guess people could still work but I'm not but this could be decades or even much

Brian Atlasfurther down the road. So I mean that's a bit too far in the future. I mean what I think at least short term is uh perhaps less of a negative sentiment towards

Brian Atlasmotherhood. It does seem like there's like I think the propaganda that women receive is more career career career.

Brian AtlasNot even necessarily saying that that that's bad, but there's like sometimes a corresponding uh motherhood, wife, family bad.

Brian AtlasSo, I think that there should be at least as much maybe propaganda is not the right word, but there should be as much push perhaps for women to

Brian Atlasreexamine having a family perhaps a bit younger, not waiting until you're in your late 20s or 30s to have kids, get married, start a family, etc. We have a

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SPEAKER_00destroyed the concept of the nuclear family. Instead, women are fed into the college soft science career scam, avoiding the trad role at all costs. >> More C3. >> Thank you.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> Exactly. That's that's what I'm talking about. Like I think that feminism has we were we were sold a propaganda of feminism where it's like empowerment and freedom and here we are all these years

Amelia (Phlebotomist)later where it's not like I said it's not feminism anymore. It's it's just evil. And the literal outcome has been the polar opposite of what the women were fighting for way back in the beginning. And like I said, yes, nuclear family is done. It's destroying. Now we

Amelia (Phlebotomist)have double income. Your kids are being raised by the government in public funded schools. And it's it's honestly just like think about like the happiness levels and the cortisol levels and everything. It's it's it's all planned

Amelia (Phlebotomist)and intended. And I just believe that I think the outcome the end outcome is is more a lesbian relationships which have a hey listen higher domestic violence.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> Okay. >> Kids being raised to take on what their parents think. >> Mhm. gender roles swapping and just the complete transformation of society to like this weird dystopian place where we've completely lost the plot that God put for us way back in the beginning.

Brian Atlas>> Well, how about this? Uh, who here is currently in college? Show of hands. Who's in college? College. College. College. Okay, you three. Um, what do you guys uh prioritize more for yourself? And I'm

Brian Atlasnot speaking I I guess looking longterm a little bit. >> Oh my god. Do you prioritize uh one day having a really killer career, great career, or do you

Brian Atlasprioritize having a family, a husband, and children? Which one would you prioritize higher? >> Um,

Indieout of the two, am I allowed to say that I prioritize them equally? >> Uh, sure you can. Yeah, >> I would say that I prioritize them

Indieequally, but like now, right now is a time in my life where like what I'm prioritizing the most is just like doing the things that make me happy and like myself. >> Uh, tilt your mic down a little bit for me.

Vicki Sun>> Okay. What about you? >> Um, I think like adding on to what she said, it really depends on like what part of time I'm in. Like right now I'm obviously very focused on like trying to get my degree and my career starting,

Vicki Sunbut then hopefully later on in the future like my priorities will shift to be having like a family and marriage. But as of right now, like um >> Well, I understand right now obviously you're you're in college. >> Yeah. But

Brian Atlas>> are you >> if we're like whole life in totality, do you think do you uphold like career >> and academic achievement over family, kids, husband?

Vicki Sun>> Um, I think I'll >> have you tilt your mic down, please. >> I think I'll pick family and kids if we're speaking longterm over career. >> Um, but yeah. >> Okay. What about you?

Mahi>> Um, equal. I want a successful career and I want a husband and I don't know if I want kids. So, >> okay. >> What would you say women should pick? >> What do I think women should pick?

Brian AtlasFamily. Family, husband, children. Not in that order or anything, but th that should that should be a priority of her career. >> What's the point of getting married if

Melineyou're not going to have kids? >> For love. I want a partner for life. But you can just live with them. There are some people that are infertile, too. Well, marriage is more than just just

Amelia (Phlebotomist)having kids. You should be open. >> Also, I can have kids. Wait, wait. >> Up. Say your last part again that you said the last phrase. >> What? >> I don't know. Just something. I didn't hear what you said. >> You said something about adoption. You can adopt too.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> Yeah, cuz she says people were infertile. So, I said those people can adopt this. >> So, I can't have kids because of I have a metal spine. >> Does that make me not any less interested in getting married to my current partner? >> No. My question is just what

Kal Pitspecifically like what's the difference between getting married versus just living with each other? Like that's kind of what I'm trying to get at. Like what is a commitment >> a commitment >> until death do us part? >> How is it still not a commitment if you guys are like in a long-term

Vicki Sunrelationship and living together? >> It's not the same level mentally. >> Maybe we've just seen different cuz I remember earlier you mentioned your parents are arranged marriage and I think that changes the picture a lot for what we've seen growing up. But I think

Vicki Sunlike marriage is really important in a woman's life. Um, and it's not just about like coexisting and like it's not transactional, if that's what I'm trying to say. It's about love and it's not >> and like yeah, like what's the point of having um a marriage if you don't have

Indielike a job is what you're saying, but like what's the point of having like a job and slaving yourself at work if you don't have a nice family to come home to if you're just alone and miserable every day. >> Another point I want to make is like we are all in college or college age. Like

Indiewe're all like in our like early 20s, late teens. like we are still figuring out like everything about life, like what we want, like who we are and everything. If we're putting all that energy into like finding a lifelong

Indiepartner, we're not putting any of that energy into like ourselves and like doing the things that we love and like becoming more and more oursel every single day. >> Just a >> I mean, people can >> your lifelong partner should support you

Vicki Sunin you doing those things too, not just it shouldn't be one or the other. >> No, I know. I don't think so either. really quick just on the

Brian Atlaseconomic financial component, you know, both people having to work. I mean, it to me, do you guys think that this makes sense? Let's say there's a man and a woman, they're together, they're

Brian Atlasmarried, and they they have a kid, and the woman has a job, and she makes $40, $50,000 a year. The man makes $100,000 a

Brian Atlasyear. Uh let's say the woman makes 50,000 and they have two kids. Child care for the two kids like to send them off to child care facility or whatever.

Brian AtlasLet's say it's $40,000 a year to do that. Do you think that makes sense economically? >> No, not financially.

Brian Atlas>> Like so okay, she makes an extra So she makes 50,000 but child care is 40,000. she ends up making 10,000. Just on the economic basis alone, I think that kind of makes no sense. Of

Indiecourse, a woman can make more than that. She can make 100,000 and the child care is 40,000 or something. >> I also think it's important for like a woman or a mother to bond with her children and raise some. >> Yeah, I think a mother's going to do way

Brian Atlasbetter than >> some [ __ ] minimum wage $20 an hour something taking care >> taking care of the kids. Um, wait really quick. F I guess getting back to the

Brian Atlasorigination of all this is the three-fifths vote thing. Uh so actually I think we should just do away entirely

Brian Atlaswith uh what's the right term? It's uh universal suffrage for men and women. Uh

Brian AtlasI think we should maybe move to a system where uh the vote would be accessible by both men and women. But we move to a system where you either need some sort of stake in

Brian Atlasthe country or you have children. Uh maybe you own a house or you opt into military service. I think that should be the way you get the vote. >> I agree with that.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think just okay, you turn 18, you get the vote. I think that's kind of [ __ ] Also sort of tying into the three-fifth thing, uh I think there is an argument to be made here that women have secured

Brian Atlasthe vote for over hundred years without any duty or responsibility to this country. Men have responsibility, men have duty, women have no duty. Uh so I think there's an inequality unfairness

Brian Atlasthat exists there which should be truthfully um should either be remedi remediated is that the right word should

Brian Atlasbe cured either by uh making women subject to military conscription or truthfully acknowledging that there is this

Brian Atlasinequality that exists. I think there's a compelling argument that we if we're not if we're going to make a determination that no, we are definitely not putting women uh in the in the

Brian Atlasselective service. We are not allowing that to ever happen. I think there's actually a compelling argument that under that circumstance, if we make a final determination, no, women are not going to be drafted.

Meline>> Yeah, I think there we can probably argue to just take away women's right to vote. But that under that circumstance >> that would assume that we earn our right to vote. Everyone earns their right to vote through the duty of serving your

Brian Atlascountry, right? >> Is that is that like >> Well, so I there's other examples like um no taxation with without representation. So yes, men and women are taxed. However, actually,

Brian Atlasinterestingly enough, uh if you look over the lifetime of both men and women, men pay into the tax system, there's a net benefit to the tax system through men. women actually take more from the tax system than they put in. So, I mean

Brian Atlasthere's there's a bit of an argument there that can be made, but um and then also like yes uh are are women subject to the laws of this country? If

Brian Atlasthey commit a crime, are they subject to the laws just as men are? Yes. However, on this specific uh dynamic as it relates to military conscription, women are completely exempt from it. Men have

Brian Atlasa duty. Women don't. In order for men to be so in order for men to be able to vote, it is tied to a duty to the country. So yeah.

Meline>> Are you saying that because there are legal repercussions which would preclude you from voting if you didn't sign up for the selective service as a man? >> So if as a man if you do not register

Brian Atlasfor the selective service, you basically essentially can't register to the vote. You can't vote. You don't have any voting rights as a man unless you make yourself subject to and register for the selective service. Even if you didn't

Melineregister for the selective service, the government could still mandate in a military conscription circumstance. >> But that's to draft you. >> That's not unique to the to registering for the selective service though, right?

MelineBecause if if you were to commit any crime and you go to jail or prison, then you can't vote because you're in prison. So like I don't know that it's unique to that. And I also just I'm very hesitant to agree with you just because I don't

Melinetrust the government enough to allow them to dictate what groups of people can and cannot vote. I think >> they already do. Can people under 18 vote? >> Well,

MelineI think there are lines that you draw. >> Canals vote? >> Well, that's debatable actually. >> Well, technically, no. It's all rigged

Brian Atlasanyways, but it's like it's just >> But I mean, look, I my personal position is not we I I personally, as an egalitarian, I don't think that we should take the vote away from women,

Brian Atlasbut we should definitely make them subject to military conscription. I think we should definitely draft women. What do you think? >> Um, >> what do you think about should we draft

Vicki Sunwomen? You You'd be a good soldier. >> Really? You think so? Oh, okay. Um, maybe. I mean, >> I

Vicki SunWell, realistically speaking, like nobody wants to go to war. So, >> I'd say no. Like, I don't think we should. >> We We shouldn't what? >> Draft women in the war.

Brian Atlas>> But, so I understand that war is bad. Ideally, there never is war. But knowing that sometimes no matter how strong our society and values, there

Brian Atlascould be a belligerent external nation that wants to invade us, that wants to attack us, that is causing havoc on the world stage. So either we need to defend ourselves or we need to intervene in

Brian Atlassome external conflict that you know who knows. Um, in any case, so knowing that governments and nations and states are

Brian Atlasnever going to uh demilitarize, they're never going to revoke their ability to call upon and sometimes force its citizenry

Brian Atlasto um, you know, be part of the military. Wouldn't you agree that if the current

Brian Atlassituation is men can be forced to go to war, shouldn't we also force women? >> If you believe in equality, I think so. >> Well, you have I mean it would be an entailment of if you believe in equality, you would basically have to

Amelia (Phlebotomist)agree. >> Do feminists fight for that today? I'm curious. They definitely don't. >> Then what is it about equality? >> Well, feminist feminism is not about equality. >> I think it's about selective >> equality on the surface. I'm saying not obviously it's not anymore. Feminism is

Brian Atlasin its most charitable sense. I give the worst definition, but it's women's advocacy. Now, there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but it's definitely not about equality because it

Brian Atlaswon't. In instances where a a form of equality could somehow negatively impact or detriment women or burden women,

Brian Atlasfeminists will absolutely fight against achieving said equality if, like I said, it comes to their detriment in some way. >> Exactly. >> I think that they also fight for things

Melinethat do come to our detriment as well. like they say that, you know, doing this will will make us more equal and stuff, but and it will give us more choice, but we've seen that it doesn't do that. It

Melinedoes the opposite. So, like there's unintended uh consequences to some of what a lot of feminists have been pushing and yeah, I think there's that side of it as well. >> But any further thoughts on that? Should

Vicki Sunwe draft women? >> Is it still a no? I think >> yeah, still a no. >> Why is that? >> Well, >> do you believe in equality? I do, but I feel like things just aren't

Vicki Sunequal in reality. And like that's just how it is. >> What do you mean they're not equal in reality? >> Well, >> well, I feel like in some aspects, I can't think of any off the top of my

Vicki Sunhead. Men just have more like men or women just have more of an advantage in some. >> So, we should we should even bar women from volunteering to join the military. >> Well, if they want to, that's a personal thing. See, now that's different. But

Brian Atlasbut if the argument is men are better soldiers because of just their natural physical strength, then shouldn't we just bar women from joining the military or becoming police officers or >> but if they want but if they want to

Vicki Sunthey women can still build that physical strength but biologically speaking yes men are built to be more muscular and like more fit for war. Hence that they're more advantage if they were to. >> But so why can't we force women to be

Brian Atlassoldiers then in the same way that we can force men to be soldiers? >> Well, you can, but it just doesn't happen. And it's just never been like >> But maybe it should. >> Well,

Vicki Sun>> I'm in favor of it. >> Well, you can make it happen then. >> But it almost seems like I'm more of a feminist than you are in this regard. Well, I never said I was exactly equal. >> How about that? You believe in equality to be then?

Vicki Sun>> Sure. Yeah, I'd say so. >> But why not in this regard? >> Not maybe not equality. I believe in equity. Hello. >> So, what is equity in this situation? >> Well, >> what would be equitable?

Vicki Sun>> Well, like you said, if a woman is like voluntarily wanting to do like labor and like military work, then go ahead. Like, by all means, go for it. >> Men can also volunteer. But so, what's the equitable solution?

Brian Atlasor what is equity in this context? Because men don't want to be forced to go to war and die.

Meline>> Well, men, >> what is equity, by the way? Isn't it like giving someone resources in accordance with their needs instead of

Brian Atlasgiving the same amount of resources to everyone bl like blank slate or whatever? I don't know. >> Well, if women can volunteer for the military, then I can't actually see an objection to forcing women into the

Brian Atlasmilitary. In fact, I mean, [ __ ] we should equalize combat participation, too, because even even though women can volunteer, they overwhelmingly are not

Brian Atlasin combat roles. Now, look, you want the realistic answer, uh men fare much better in combat. They're more physically attuned to being able have

Brian Atlasthe capacity to uh be effective and have lethal lethal ability. But again, I don't know. I guess explain the equity thing.

Brian AtlasShould we just draft the women? I think we should just draft. >> No, >> we should just draft them. >> Don't do it. Well, >> so maybe that girl Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> No, I didn't have anything to say. >> Oh, well, she was saying that uh she

Brian Atlasdidn't want to get rid of women's right to vote, but she wanted three-fifths. So, maybe if men have a duty that women don't, men have responsibility that women don't. I mean, look, maybe we

Brian Atlasdon't fully get rid of women's right to vote, but she's she's saying that maybe three-fifths. No, disagree. What do you think? See you shaking your head. By the way, this is

Mahijust a thought experiment here. >> I mean, when would a draft a draft ever happen? Like, honestly, like that's the thing. I feel like if you want if we want equal rights, then it has to be equal, then yeah, women should be drafted as well. Well, I mean, I I don't

Mahiknow how that'd actually be relevant, so it might never even happen. But >> yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's never going to happen. But like, if it is, like that's the thing, like if we're fighting for equal rights, then we should do the same like as what men are

Brian Atlasdoing. And like I agree with that. Like women should be drafted, >> right? Yeah. Well, then that would just be a separate conversation though. What is the likelihood that the United States would enter into a military conflict

Brian Atlaswhere a draft would be necessary required? That's beside the point. But so you are in favor of uh the draft for women military conscription forcing women to

Brian Atlas>> I mean we force men. >> We I Right. We do force men >> or I mean we theoretically could force men so we should theoretically should be able to force women too, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So you're on board with the program. >> I never said I wasn't on.

Erica>> You're on board. >> Why is that Why is there Why are we considering just like no one being forced? I understand people are like, "Oh, we need to have the military. We need" But like, why is that not a

Ericaconsideration? Like, men shouldn't be for No one should be forced to join the military. I wasn't born I wasn't I didn't ask to be born into this country. Like, why? I don't think it's right. I don't like war. I don't like the idea of

Brian Atlasit or I don't think it's necessary. Like some people believe, why not just abolish that whole thing? Like, no one has to. Well, I mean, if you lived in a sort of idealized utopian world or society, that might be possible, but I

Brian Atlasdon't think it's ever something that will go away. It's not something that's unique to the United States. Almost every single country can call upon its uh citizenry and force them uh into the

Brian Atlasmilitary through military conscription. I don't think any government or nation or state is going to give up the power to forcibly raise a military to defend itself. Um, and I think just all

Brian Atlasplatitudes about ending selective service just seems like a bit of a waste of time and energy. It's kind of like we might as well just say, well, there shouldn't be war. >> There shouldn't be.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, there shouldn't be crime, but because there shouldn't be crime. However, because there is crime, we should have police officers. We should have a prison system. We should have a justice system that can bring justice to

Ericathose who commit and perpetrate crimes. Right? But crime is bad. Nobody should be murdered. Correct. Right. >> But people do commit murders. >> People do. >> Are we going to >> I feel like if people didn't have to do

Ericait, maybe maybe the issue isn't like forcing people to do it, but giving people more incentives to do that. Maybe that's the issue that >> But they do that though. You >> more incentives like it's not enough

Brian Atlasobviously. But could there be a situation where I mean there definitely could be a situation where even beyond just incentive well either the the incentives would be

Brian Atlashave to be so immense that it would be economically unfeasible like yes okay you could give soldiers a million dollars per year and people would be fighting tooth and nail to become soldiers like there would probably be

Brian Atlassay there's a limit as to how many people uh the military can uh can have in its ranks. Uh, and you just paid soldiers a million dollars. But I don't think economically that'd probably be feasible to do.

Erica>> Is that the only option? Like I don't know. There are other incentives we can everybody can come up with things. >> I think they do that. >> You pay less taxes. I don't know. You >> free school. You give them free educationist already.

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, they do. There's those incentives do exist, but there are definitely situations where you probably well not I mean historically there's been situations where not just in the

Brian AtlasUnited States but other countries you have to force the men. You literally [ __ ] abduct them in the street. Man, if you guys you guys upset with this ICE [ __ ] you should see what they're doing in Ukraine. They're driving military

Brian Atlaspolice driving around Ukraine and nobody's here. You don't hear about it cuz it's men. Uh they're literally abducting men in the street, dragging them into vans.

Brian AtlasThey get some like base level military um training, and then they ship them off to the front line, and they're just cannon fodder. And it's like uh yeah, governments do that [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> That's not okay. That's that's wrong. I don't agree. But I look so I guess back to the point I think women we should draft them and you can keep the vote or

Brian Atlaswe have to look if if women don't get uh through the law they don't get uh forced to at least in the United States have to register with selective service within

Brian Atlasthe next by 2030 I think we got to really start looking at women's right to vote because you guys have had the right to vote for hundred years without any duty to this country. I think it's about time we have a serious

Ericaconversation about this. >> Do you think that's because women didn't have the right to vote before? Maybe it's like a well, we didn't let them vote before, so now they don't have to give up. >> Well, there were actually women who were

Brian Atlaswho were actually anti-suffragettes who were against uh wanting the right to vote because they thought uh if they did get the right to vote, it would open them up to the same burdens and duties

Brian Atlasand responsibilities that men had. Uh, of course, uh, I guess women quite luckily managed to secure a right without any corresponding responsibility. And that's sort of the

Brian Atlasgenesis of feminism. Secure as much privilege and right as possible without any duty or responsibility. >> I mean, I don't I don't really vote and

SPEAKER_00I get a lot of [ __ ] for it, but I feel like a lot of people are >> Justin donated $100. No one needs female soldiers. Only American married households with

Melinechildren can vote in US elections. All incentives aligned. Cultural carnage recedes. Simple as. >> It's not a bad point. Actually, I don't disagree.

Brian Atlas>> My position truly. >> My position is I women should continue to be able to vote, but they should have to register with selective service just as men do. You're saying that because if

Ericayou if a man does not register to vote, they I mean to um if they don't register for the military, they can't vote. I don't think that's okay. I feel like if you >> that's messed up. It's not an okay system. I don't think

Brian Atlas>> but that's how it is. So either I mean we either I guess another solution would be to completely get rid of the draft, but I think that that's I think that's less likely than having women become subject to the draft.

Brian AtlasSo, uh, look, I think, hey, women keep your right to vote, but y'all gotta y'all gota get drafted. Y'all got well, be subject to the draft anyways. >> Yeah. I mean, I feel like it should be

Brian Atlasfair. >> Y'all are some badass women. You guys can do it. I believe in you. >> I'm more of a feminist than you guys. You guys don't want to get drafted. >> I would never claim to be a feminist. I

Brian Atlasguarantee you though, if there was something trying to be passed in uh Congress or whatever to equalize the draft, all these feminist all these feminist organizations are going to fight that [ __ ] >> Yeah.

Indie>> To the death. >> Wait, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second here. >> Yeah, sure. >> You just said that all those jobs, right, that are predominantly run by men would not be done as good as women, right?

IndieLike you said that those jobs like such as like bluecollar work or like the clips that you just showed that women couldn't do as good of a job as men, right? So do you think women could do as good of a job as men in the military and

Brian Atlasthen how is that benefiting our military? >> Doesn't matter. >> Why not? >> It doesn't matter because it's all it all comes down to equality. And also women can volunteer. Look, ultimately,

Brian Atlaseven if we did draft women, it would be the same standard that currently exists with the volunteer military force. So, even when women do join the military, overwhelmingly they are not placed in

Brian Atlascombat situations. They're not placed on the front line. Uh there are perhaps some examples you can point to, and there are women who die in the military, but uh women there there are plenty of jobs in the military that do not involve being frontline soldiers. There's a lot

Brian Atlasof >> So, are you saying women shouldn't be frontline soldiers? Well, honestly, look, for if we're if we're elevating equality above all else, yes. Put make women frontline soldiers. >> But then how is that affect like how is that? >> It would be less effective. Yes, it

Brian Atlaswould be that. >> Yeah. But if look if the virtue if the value here is equality above all else >> then

Brian Atlaslook ultimately my point is if women have a privilege or a right that men have a duty or responsibility in order to have said right. If women have access

Brian Atlasto said right they should have a corresponding duty or responsibility. >> So why don't you agree with my take on the three-fifth state? Oh, I was actually saying that arguably if if the

Brian Atlasstatus quo is going to continue where women just enjoy rights and privileges without responsibility, then actually perhaps her position is compelling in the sense that maybe a woman shouldn't

Brian Atlashave quite as much of a say as men. Why should women be able to vote for people and vote to send us to war when they have no they they don't face the same

Julialevel of uh peril that men potentially do. Sounds like equity. >> You disagree with that? I'm >> No, no, no. So, like what you were saying like it like three-fifths to me

Juliasounds better than not having the right to vote. So, like but like if if we're being stereotypical and we're making generalizations and we're saying women should be, you know, like stay at home moms or whatever. Okay. I'm sorry, Brian. Um,

Julia>> no, you're good. I just have a heading. >> Oh, okay. I thought I was saying something annoying. >> Okay. So, like if we're making generalizations, um, and women don't contribute as much as like men do, and

Juliaspecifically in combat situations, um, I don't know the statistics, but I think three-fifths sounds good. And I'm not going to lie, I don't know what the commanderin-chief fully does or all our military operations or, you know, like the whole thing in Ukraine. I had no

Juliaidea that was going on. And I feel kind of weird being a citizen, a female citizen having to vote. I haven't voted because I'm subject to indiscriminate um, empathy. I don't know. And that for that reason, I kind of like the three-fifths idea. When you brought it

Kal Pitup, I like the spirit behind it. That's not the society we live in. I can empathize with it. Um, >> and you could argue it's actually the centrist position, too, because there's people that want to full-on repeal the 19th amendment. I'm not even saying that, you know. >> Well, I don't know if you're here when I

Brian Atlaswas saying this. I think we should just get rid of universal suffrage in general. So, I think we claw back the right to vote from both men and women because you have a bunch of like really low information values. >> How would our society just Huh? How

Brian Atlaswould our society function if nobody >> you have okay so there there's pathways to getting the vote. So that would be military service which would be available and open to both men and

Brian Atlaswomen. Uh so there that would be one pathway. You'd have to be a stakeholder in some sort of way. You would uh maybe if you have children that's another way. Maybe there's a civil service component where maybe you're not you don't join

Brian Atlasthe military but you do some form of civil service for the country. But uh yeah, or you could just you I was going to say raise the voting age maybe that's one option 25 potentially prefrontal

Brian Atlascortex blah blah blah [ __ ] [ __ ] But um yeah I mean I think uh I I don't know if like our founding fathers this is really what they had in mind where

Brian Atlasjust we had this degree of universal suffrage. Uh so >> so what do you think they had in mind? Oh. Um, people who had like a stake in the country, I think. What was it

Brian Atlasoriginally? Like land owners or something. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. So, maybe somebody either maybe you could own a house or maybe you have if you have children, maybe it could be

Brian Atlaslike a a household vote or something like that. One household gets a vote. >> Um, you could and and through military service. >> I agree. I feel like there are a lot of

Ericauneducated voters and I that's why I don't vote because I looked at ballots. I was reading certain I was like I don't know what this is talking about. I'm not even going to vote cuz I feel like that's unfair. >> Well, yeah. You have really low

Melineinformation voters >> and the way they word things too is like they're counting on you to misinterpret what they're saying or they're being very tricky. >> So, they need to change them in a lot of

Brian Atlasways. >> Um, okay. We'll move off of that. But by the way, just to be clear, I'm fine with y'all keeping the right to vote. Women should be able to vote. But hey, let's have a conversation. Y'all should be drafted.

Brian Atlas>> That's my position. Um, let's see. Where were we going next? I don't know. We Let's get back. Maybe dating would be good. Wait. Um, who here? Uh, you were born in China. Is

Brian Atlasthat correct? Anybody else like born not in the United States? I mean, >> I'm born in England, >> but you're not you don't live here. So, >> no, I don't live here. >> Uh, anybody else? Anyone born somewhere

Brian Atlaselse? Okay. Um to uh you you're Indian and you're Indian. Is that correct? Do you do you feel strong cultural ties to your heritage or your culture like Indian culture or

Kal Pit>> Yeah. Cuz there's like so many different ethnic groups in India since it's a subcontinent and I'm I'm Punjabi uh personally and like the big stereotype with Punjabies is you'll always know because they'll always tell you because

Mahiwe're really prideful people. >> Okay. What about you Mike? Um I mean I feel a lot of like pride for my culture but honestly like my parents had a love marriage and they were and they both

Mahicame here when they're really young and they also I don't know any like Indian languages they spoke fully English in our house like I know a lot of immigrant parents >> they'll speak their native language in their house and their kids are raised up on it. No, my parents spoke spoke fully English.

Mahi>> Sure. >> And alo they were religious but they didn't we never went to temple much like I don't consider myself religious at all. So I don't I'm not >> super Indian. >> So you moved to the United States when you were five? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And so you have Chinese citizenship?

Vicki Sun>> Yes. >> But you don't have US citizenship yet? I >> I don't. And I don't plan on getting it. >> Oh, you don't plan on getting it? But you >> I could have already gotten it because I'm 18 already, but I don't plan on naturalizing. So >> Oh, why is that? >> Because I do have plans to return back

Vicki Sunto China. And like if I were to naturalize, every time I go back would be like an hassle to have to get a visa and like get approved. But then right now where I'm sitting with a Chinese citizenship, like a Chinese passport with a green card, it gives me the

Vicki Sunfreedom to just travel freely between two countries. So I can go back to China for like two months, which I did, and like come back and be perfectly fine, not have to sign any paperwork or anything. >> If you had to estimate like in terms of

Vicki SunSo you're 18 >> in terms of total time spent in each country, what would be the >> like the ratio? >> The breakdown. Yeah, >> I'd say like because I go I come here for school. Like the reason why my

Vicki Sunfamily came to the US was so um my siblings and I could get an American education. Uh so I'd say like for 10 months out of the year I'm here and then like the summertime I go back to my >> Since you were five. >> Well, not every summer. Sometimes in

Vicki Sunsummers like I have plans and like I have like tutoring like I have like extracurriculars but when I have the time. Yeah, pretty much. I'm still pretty connected to the culture over there if that's what you're saying. Like I'm fluent in my language.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. You speak Mandarin? But you uh you lived there entirely for your first five years. >> Yes. >> And then you came here and you spend most of the time here in the United States. >> Yeah. After that after my Yeah. After I

Brian Atlasmoved here. >> Think if you spend like one to two months. >> Maybe it's like 70 30%. Is that fair to say? >> Some Yeah. 70 70 30

Brian Atlas>> 70 30 70% of the United States. And your parents don't plan to naturalize to the United States either. Is that fair? >> They don't either. They are just waiting for us to finish school and then they're also going back to China. >> Okay. Are your parents like diplomats or

Vicki Sunsomething or what do they do? >> Um, what do you mean? Like for work or >> Yeah. Yeah. For work. >> Well, my mom, she's a stay-at-home mom. She doesn't do anything. And my dad works at Apple. >> At Apple. Okay. He's like a soft software engineer or

Vicki Sun>> uh No, he does something like in HR, but he um >> Yeah, pretty much. He's the only one that works in our family and he siblings. >> Yeah. I have an older sister who goes to UCSB and a younger brother who is 10 years old.

Brian Atlas>> 10 years old. >> And are they going to stay here until he >> Yeah. >> he graduates from college? >> Um high school. And then at least high school. Yeah. >> So, another eight years. >> Yeah. >> And are are you going to stay here until your parents move back or you're moving back as soon as you're done with

Vicki Suncollege? >> Well, it depends on like where I locate based on my career cuz I'm trying to get my CPA after um my degree. So, we'll just see. I'm not sure. But my long-term goal is to do big four accounting in

Brian Atlaslike a city in China. So >> Oh, interesting. So, how do you um I guess like how do you come I'm just I'm not maybe unaware of the process if the

Brian Atlasgoal is not to naturalize. How do you come and stay in the United States like long-term like your does your father have a H1B visa or >> No, I >> or I don't know what it would be

Vicki Suncategorized as but >> um I actually am not too familiar with how we really got here. We had a we had a we did have like we knew people who were just able to do it

Brian Atlasfor us. I don't know what you want me to say about that. But you guys are here like you guys are here legitimately, not not like illegally or something. Okay. >> You can't call ICE on me. I'm here legally. >> No, I'm just curious like what the

Brian Atlascategorization is cuz there's different ways to stay here long term >> utilizing your school. Oh, I saw that comment. You don't need to justify yourself. >> That's interesting. I have a question

Brian Atlasfor you. Um this >> it's interesting though because you're not planning to naturalize. You're not planning to gain citizenship, although you've lived the majority of your life in the United States. You've enjoyed the

Brian Atlasbenefits of living in the United States. You've enjoyed the prosperity of living in the United States, the education system of the United States. Did you go to a public school in for high school? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, here's a question for you. Go

Brian Atlasahead. >> So, imagine a completely neutral hypothetical situation >> where neither the United States or China is the aggressor. Neither has done anything unethical and there's no moral

Brian Atlasdimension, just a military conflict that exists. In that valueneutral scenario, to which side would your allegiance be?

Vicki SunThe United States or China? >> China, I'd say. >> Okay. >> And that's obviously biased because I'm Chinese from China and most of my family's there. But Right. Um, like you said, like you're confused why like I

Vicki Sundon't want to naturalize spending here, being in the US for like such a long period of time. I think like being in being here for a long period of time made me realize that I personally like my life in China better. Like it's more convenient. It's easier. Like politics

Vicki Sunaside your life here? >> Yes, correct. But not by choice because I go to school here. Like once this is over, of course I want to be back home like where I feel happiest. >> All right. I guess uh that's interesting.

Brian Atlas>> And for me, home is China, not the United States. I wonder if uh I don't even know if would that be possible for an American to do in China

Brian Atlaswhat your parents like I don't know if >> it's not possible >> and I don't know if you gave that answer or if an American gave the answer you gave in China how that would go over but um

Brian Atlas>> very correct >> but luckily for us America has pretty robust uh freedoms especially related to speech >> um perhaps unprecedented on the global

Brian Atlasstage. But uh okay, that's interesting. I mean, my argument does crumble. It crumbles a little bit in the sense that you're not actively you're not a citizen of the United States. You're not trying

Brian Atlasto naturalize. So like it kind of makes sense, but it is interesting. It's like you have lived the majority of your life here, although you're 18, so you've been under the I don't know if control is the

Brian Atlasright word, but like you've been under the authority of your parents for your whole life basically. >> Yeah. >> So like when you're 15, you can't be like, "Fuck you, mom. I'm going back to China. You can't do that really. Your parents have

Brian Atlas>> uh authority over you. >> They're your guardians." And uh >> correct. >> But it is interesting. It is an interesting thought. Mhm. >> You know, we've asked this question before to um people who have like dual citizenship

Brian Atlas>> or who naturalized as American citizens. Like we had one girl who came from uh I think it was Colombia was it? Do you remember Mary that episode? >> Yeah. >> We had a girl who came here, immigrated here from Colombia, became a she wasn't

Brian Atlasa legal immigrant, became a naturalized American citizen and she said that her allegiance was still to Colombia. And I found that interesting. >> But in your case, it's a bit different.

Brian AtlasI don't know. I think we're cooked in America, honestly. Look, I gotta be Yo, chat, let me ask the chat. >> Why do you think I want out? >> Uh, well, you know, the the thing is is that I I think China is doing a lot of

Brian Atlasthings. Uh, in some ways better than the United States. Like I feel like I've seen construction videos. >> Oh yeah, construction there is insanely

Brian Atlasfast gets done. Like they've been uh I don't want to say the location, but like near I mean there's all kinds of construction around just Santa Barbara, right? Man, that [ __ ] is like what are

Brian Atlasthey doing? It takes [ __ ] years for them to do a little patch of road. It's like But in China, I feel like they get [ __ ] done. And I wonder if that's because there's probably a bit more of a >> well monoculture.

Vicki Sun>> I think there's an incentive here, too. The longer you take, the more these companies that we connect with can make money. >> Yeah. I think it's just the structure of how things are. Like in China, you know, like the CCP, everything's run under one organization. Versus here, like you

Vicki Sunthere's so many bills and like like papers that have to be passed, so much paperwork that has to be done to do anything that in China it's just like okay, one said and done. Like they just get straight to it. Here it's like so

Vicki Sunmany approvals. It's just like how the like our leaders like our government runs. I guess I think the >> Wait, but here's my question. Chat

Brian Atlas>> chat. Do you guys think I'm worried, bro? I'm worried. I think that uh you know, I feel like China is a bit of a threat. You know, I think that uh

Brian Atlasthey're going to >> surpass the >> I think the Chinese, >> it's already happened. England is >> Well, she says it's already happened. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. But in some ways, I I I do

Brian Atlasthink that uh >> Have you ever been to China? Let me ask you that. >> No, I haven't. But I I think that there's probably there's a lot of social upheaval in the United States. There's a

Brian Atlaslot of political polarization, social polarization in the United States. The United States has multiculturalism. Uh look, in China, you have like weaguers and I don't know if I said that

Brian Atlasright, but there are different like I guess ethnog groups. I don't know if that's even like in China, but generally like >> the people in China, they're like Chinese heritage, whereas here in the United States like multiculturalism, I

Vicki Sundon't really think you have multiculturalism in China. You have >> Chinese culture. >> Yes. But we do have like India like we have a lot of different ethnic groups. Majority are like the Han ethnic group, which is what I am. But like there's a

Vicki Sunlot there's like a lot of cultures within China, too. I wouldn't just categorize like all of China into one Chinese culture. Like depending on what region you're in, they eat different foods. They have different practices, different beliefs. They even look different. Like people in the north tend

Vicki Sunto be taller than people in the south because of like climate differences. I Yeah, I don't think it's like all categorized as one. I don't know if that helps, but >> Well, I don't think China's fully caught

Brian Atlasup quite yet to the United States, but I would say that China has a better I I think China probably has a better foundation for social cohesion than the United States does. So I think like the

Brian Atlasfall of the United States I don't think is going to be external. I think the fall of the United States would be internal. >> Internal. Correct. >> Which I think would be very unlikely in for China for example. I don't think there's enough

Brian Atlas>> political polarization or social upheaval in China. And so by the way I apologize. We're totally getting off [ __ ] [ __ ] talking about geopolitics in China. I don't know chat.

Brian AtlasWhat do you guys think? I I mean it isn't it just true though like there we got a lot of [ __ ] polarization societal upheaval in the

Brian AtlasUnited States. China seems a bit more cohesive a little bit among its populace. >> But isn't their education better? >> So I'm just I'm not sure but I'm just

Vicki Sun>> Well, it is but like the way they do it like the system is like >> really detrimental to like students mental health. It's like yeah, at the end of the day, like I guess you can say like China pumps out smarter kids or

Vicki Sunwhatever, but like yeah, I think like their education system is something that I wouldn't really like approve of. So like yeah, that's why I'm studying here and then like taking this knowledge back. But >> and would you argue that China like

Vicki Sunvalues STEM more than America does? >> Um that I actually am not too sure. I wouldn't say but I

Brian Atlas>> also I mean the Chinese government has more control way more control like for example uh the Chinese government can kind of dictate I I believe didn't

Brian Atlasdidn't the Chinese government there's something about how uh the men were becoming too feminine or wait [ __ ] I'm trying to remember what

Brian Atlasthis was Mary you googling it >> something like they they were like all right the these [ __ ] little education drive to make boys more manly. >> Well, there was something like, okay, if

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