MEGA BLACK PlLL?! Fake VlRGlN Sarah?! Mormon Girl Tried To Sell Her VlRGlNlTY?! | Dating Talk 281

Date: 2026-02-09

Duration: 9h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAmelia (Phlebotomist)>

JJulia (Dentistry)>

EErica (Childcare)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica(guest)

SPEAKER_03Indie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kal Pit(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Meline(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lola Gold(guest)

SPEAKER_10Mahi(guest)

SPEAKER_12Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_13Vicki Sun(guest)

SPEAKER_14Amelia (Phlebotomist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLola Gold vs Meline: OnlyFans ethics debate

ControversyKal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote

ControversyVicki Sun would side with China over USA

QuoteJulia listed virginity for sale at $500K-$1M on Cinderella Escorts

ControversyKal Pit's hot take: re-legalize hitting wives. Near universal condemnation.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All guests introduce themselves.

OnlyFans/Sex Work Debate

Lola Gold defends OF. Meline/Julia push back.

Women's Voting Rights

Kal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote.

China vs USA Allegiance

Vicki Sun sides with China.

Sarah Stock Controversy

Conservative Catholic influencer who faked virginity while cheating.

Julia's Virginity Sale

Listed virginity on Cinderella Escorts for $500K-$1M.

Body Count Reveals

Range from 0 (Julia) to 12 (Lola).

Self-Ratings and Brian Rates

Most rated 5-6.5 by Brian.

Kal Pit's Hot Take

Bring back legalizing hitting your wife. Major controversy.

ICE/Immigration Debate

Mahi defends pro-immigration position.

Transcript

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IndieBut like then we could say that girls do the same thing. >> Like there's a lot of people that like sleep around like that. Like [ __ ] boys and then like girls that sleep around as well. So I would say there's like a double standard there. Like >> you know

Kal Pit>> um >> but like yeah no judgment. It's just not my thing. >> Well, there's a double standard because it's objectively harder for men to get laid. They kind of have to have some sort of like charisma. They have to be

Kal Pitrich. They have to be something. They have to have some sort of game where it's like for women it's like it's like it's always available for us, you know.

Brian Atlas>> Does anybody disagree with her? Nobody. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Uh Mary, pull up Twitch. Actually, no. I just have to do the intro. We got to do the intro.

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Brian Atlaspublic service announcement. I'm the founder of the nonprofit and grassroots movement, Big Labia Matter, or BLM for short. Go ahead. All labia can't matter until big labia matter. Uh as someone

Brian Atlaswho only dates women with large labia, this is a very important issue for me. 10,000 women undergo labia plasty procedure a year in the USA alone. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on. There's there's stuff with ICE, the

Brian Atlasillegal immigration deportations. There's the the conflicts about maybe going to pop off with Iran. Uh Middle East uh [ __ ] Venezuela did pop off.

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Ukraine still happening. uh [ __ ] the the the the files, all that [ __ ] This is the laboplasty thing. That's really the pressing issue of our

Brian Atlastime. That [ __ ] is just a distraction. They're trying to distract you from the the real issues. >> Okay. Um I wanted that surgery at one point in my

Brian Atlaslife >> for the labia. You you have a Yep. You're rocking. >> I'm rocking. Have you ever been question for you any well any other That takes a lot of courage by the way to admit that. Any other women uh have an Audi as

Brian Atlasthey're called an Audi? >> Yes. >> Okay. Have you guys ever experienced shame? >> No. Genuinely. >> No. I've gotten compliment in

Brian Atlas>> Has a guy ever said a uh an inconsiderate thing? >> No. No. >> I've heard from some women that they get uh a little bit of you know some shame for it. You'd think with my platform I

Ericawould as well, but I really don't. No, >> a guy told me, um, who wants a sandwich without any meat in it? >> Yeah, >> I'll take that. I like that. >> I think I like that. I'm going to steal that. >> It was my ex-husband.

Brian Atlas>> Oh [ __ ] >> Okay. Um, that's interesting. Who looks like me, by the way, apparently. >> But yeah, you know what grinds my gears

Lola Goldthough? Some women labia fish. Like they claim they have an Audi, >> but they don't. >> That bothers us. >> I've met I've met girls that think that they do. >> But they don't. >> And I'm like, "What? What are you

Brian Atlastalking about?" Where? And she's like, "It's here." And I'm like, "No, girl. No, >> you don't know." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of similar like it's a body dysmorphia or something. Like you know how somebody who might be like anorexic

Brian Atlasor bulimic and they think they're fat, but they're like really skinny. I feel like that's the same like these girls think they have an Audi but they don't. That's like maybe it's a midi >> at best. Yeah.

Julia>> I'm embarrassed to ask this, but what what what what is big labia? Like what does that look like? Because I like >> just >> I can draw we could draw I would appreciate that.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. ED, thank you for the gifted uh five memberships. Appreciate it. Uh thank you. >> Anyone else wondering, you could follow the link in my bio. >> Oh my god. Okay. >> Sorry. It was appropriate. >> Mary, pull up the photo.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, find it in the Discord. We'll show you a uh sandwich representation of what's >> under me. >> I think it's media or memes. I'm pretty sure it's media. >> Um but uh

Lola Gold>> yes. >> Okay. So this is your pwatchera. And then there's you have lips that are here. >> Uhhuh. >> Just below. So this is your the pussa. >> Yes. >> And then underneath you have your lips where your >> where your

Lola Gold>> pee hole is. Yeah. >> All right. Go ahead. are. You can see them. They're visible. >> It's right there. >> Yours might be inside. >> Yeah. I don't know what they're trying to do with C, but yeah. So, A in B Audi,

Brian Atlas>> and it's nothing to do with it's just your body's biology. It's nothing to do with how often you >> True. Yeah. No, that's true. That's gen Some people say, "Oh, if you have an Audi, you've been ran through." No, you

Brian Atlascould be a virgin, have an Audi. You could have [ __ ] 10,000 dudes and have a >> an in a total innie. Yeah. >> Uh, good times. >> I feel less confused. Thank you for the clarification.

Brian Atlas>> You're you're very welcome. Very welcome there. But, uh, yeah, there's some labia fishing going on. And it is. Yeah. So, anyways, >> why is that your preference? Like, do you know why?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, boy. Um, do I know why with the underlying reason? Uh, >> do you want you want the you want the the the >> Yes, we do. Please.

Brian Atlas>> The details. Yes. >> I mean, it's pretty basic. I think um look, it's not a dealbreaker for Girl Has than any, but I would say this. I think it feels better. It looks better. I'll

Brian Atlasjust I'll leave it at that. >> Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. I love that. >> Aesthetically, I think it looks better. >> Like lips that grip if you want to get

Brian Atlasdetailed. And then >> feels better. >> Just saying. All right. >> Thank you. You're welcome, I guess. Um, what what else was there? Marington.

Brian Atlas>> Mar the um Kanye. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, I Yeah. Yeah. I pulled that up. I ratioed Kanye on this topic. He said that laboplasty should be government

Brian Atlasissued and I ratioed him. He deleted it though. So, uh, okay. Anyways, if you can't catch the full shows, we have a clips channel. Links in the description. We have a Discord, discord.gg whatever. We post our stream schedule, behind the

Brian Atlasscenes, hate mail research, studies, a bunch of other stuff. If you're my Caucasian, you will join the Discord. And when I say Caucasian, you can be like black and still be my Caucasian.

Brian Atlas>> You know what I mean? >> Mhm. >> No. >> Yeah. >> We got some We We We got We have a We have a Chinese woman. We have You're >> I'm Indian.

Brian Atlas>> You're Indian. Black Indian. Latina. Okay. You guys can all be my Caucasian, >> right? Like for example, I can only ask you this. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Could I be your I'm not going to say it. >> Yes, you can. >> But can here. Can you you fill in the blank? Can I be your >> You want me to say >> you fill in the blank. Can I be your

Brian Atlas>> my [ __ ] >> Can I be as a white man? Can I be your See, she can be my Caucasian. >> There it is. By the way, um just curious on since I brought it up, I guess who

Brian Atlashere uh who here is a bit more by the way, no no shade a bit more liberal more liberal politically? Anybody? Come on. Just you? Oh boy.

Brian AtlasReally? No. Liberal? You're a Trump voter? Okay. >> No, I would say I'm neutral when it comes to I take a neutral stance. >> Just Just you? What about your girlfriend? She's a Trump supporter.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I can't even vote. I'm not a citizen. Right. >> Um, but it's just about your stance on the issues, I think, is what he's asking. >> Yeah. Yeah. Even if you can't vote, you probably might lean politically. >> Yeah. Probably more liberal.

Mahi>> More liberal. What do you guys think about reparations in favor? Mahi. >> Did I say your name right? >> Yeah. >> Into the mic. >> Um, reparations. I mean, I understand the concept, but I guess it's not really

Brian Atlasmy place to say. I don't know. >> Well, of course it's your place to say. Of course. >> It hasn't been anything. Nothing's been done to Indians. I feel like >> No, but should we pay reparations to uh African-Americans?

Brian AtlasWhat is the term foundational African I don't know what should we pay reparations to African-Americans in this country? >> No, >> it's not a very liberal.

Mahi>> I just I feel like we should acknowledge that they were at a very big disadvantage for most of our history and like >> So, you're anti-reparations? >> I'm not anti. I just It's literally not my place. Like, I don't know. I mean, I know some people believe in it, but I

Mahifeel like rep like no one really says that. Like it's not like people are going up to white people saying, "You owe me money." >> No, but like uh you know there Well, sometimes. Um who's anybody in favor of reparations?

Brian Atlas>> I would love if that happened if I got it. >> Like, yeah, give it to me. >> Nobody really. Damn, I was trying to hook you up. I was going to Nobody. Who has some cash on them? Anybody have cash? Give this girl some [ __ ] revelation.

Lola Gold>> Can you rephrase for me? Please rephrase. Please rephrase. I have like I don't understand what you're saying. >> Uh in the United States there was slavery of of black people and yes

Brian Atlasthis you know and there were obviously >> it's actually Black History Month, isn't it? >> I think so. >> It is >> even better. This is why those of you who do have cash on you ought to go get

Brian Atlassome money. But um obviously there were other grievances that African-Americans experienced throughout even after slavery ended and continue. And so for

Brian Atlasthis reason there there is an argument >> that uh African-Americans should be uh paid some sort amount of money as uh to make up for the term is reparations

Lola Gold>> for the trauma >> for for the uh >> for the longstanding 100%. Is that not that should be happening? >> Yeah, if it's >> there was like a promise that black

Ericapeople would get 100 acres in a mule back like you know when slavery was abolished or whatever. >> Um and it just never happened. >> Uh we don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, Mr. Pickles, thank you for the Looks like you bought something on the merch store. Thank you very much, man. Appreciate it. You could have used done a message, but thank you for Looks like you maybe bought two shirts or a shirt and a hoodie. So, thank you very much,

Brian Atlasman. Appreciate it. Uh, no, nobody's going to Okay. Well, how about this? Uh, related to money. Who has cash on them? On them? Cash? You got cash? You got cash? >> No. On this outfit? >> No. No. Like in your purse?

Brian Atlas>> You got cash? Anybody else have cash? Like in your purse? >> Like a few dollars? >> Few bucks. You got cash. You got cash. >> Cash. My >> Am I saying your name right? >> Yeah. >> Cash. No cash. Really?

Brian Atlas>> Cash >> here. Em. Okay. Every time I say really, you fill in the blank for me. Okay. Really? >> My [ __ ] >> No, not >> what? >> Don't get rid of the my

Erica>> really >> [ __ ] >> Yes. Okay. For the rest of the show, let's do that. Okay. All right. Um, >> Black History Month, everybody. >> I'm wielding

Brian Atlas>> power right now. Um, okay. So, well, I want to do By the way, you're the only one here who has Only Fans. Is that correct? Nobody else here has Only Fans or has ever done Only Fans? >> I have a page. I just never posted anything. I never posted anything. I

Juliajust made it to look >> That probably doesn't count. >> There was an attempt many years ago. Nothing ever got posted. It was supposed to be for nude yoga and feet stuff. >> Nude yoga and >> Did you record nude? >> No. I tried and I didn't like how I

Brian Atlaslooked and never got posted. >> No. You would have done so well. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Why are you capping? >> Wait, hold on. Virgin Mormon. >> It's actually >> was

Brian Atlas>> attempted >> contemplating nude yoga >> feet pictures. >> Yeah. Is that a problem? >> Well, it's kind of like the for example,

Brian Atlaslet's say you've never even smoked a cigarette or never even tried weed once. When it comes to drug use, I think there's like a escalation. So, with drug

Brian Atlasuse, it would be well, maybe they smoke weed, and then uh you usually don't jump right into like mainlining heroin as your first drug. Yes. >> Like, usually you smoke some cigarettes,

Brian Atlasyou smoke some weed, you did cocaine, uh you [ __ ] whatever, and then not to logically it's of course possible. Like, yes, you never smoked weed once, but you went straight to mainline like doing

Brian Atlas[ __ ] uh fentinel or some [ __ ] right? >> Logically, it's possible. >> Practically, it's pretty close to pretty close to being very unlikely. So

Brian Atlasit's like for me I think you don't go from chasteed Mormon virgin waiting until marriage like usually before you get into sex work

Brian Atlas>> you have sex before >> I feel like there's a little bit like okay there's some degree of promiscuity you're like having one night stands not to say again it's logically possible a

Brian Atlaswoman could be a virgin on only fans it's logically possible that you know but it seems like the the escalation

Julialadder from virgin chased religious LDS Mormon Christian I don't know >> this was when I was practicing different

Juliareligions and I was questioning things >> can I ask was it lockdown was it co >> it was around co yeah >> yep that'll do it >> and I wanted money

Julia>> you when you say you're a virgin you're not like born again >> not born again no not that's BS it's not BS Yes. I mean, >> so proper virgin, not proper. >> Okay. Haven't had sex. Okay. >> Okay. >> Brian, I have a question for you. >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> What's your stance on Only Fans? >> What's my stance on Only Fans? >> Uh, I mean, it's quite detailed. Let me come to that in just a moment. Where was I going with the Only Fans thing? Oh. Oh. Who here has cash? >> Who's down to So, okay, really quick.

Brian AtlasI'll answer your question. >> When you say it's cash, I don't have like >> I'll take British pound in the bank. >> Or do you guys have euros? No. No, it's British pound. You're still doing pounds. >> Yes. But I get paid in >> I will take euros. I will take British

Brian Atlaspounds. So here's what I'm gonna do. So I feel like as women, y'all get men will just buy you [ __ ] Men will give you gifts. Sometimes a guy you could you don't even have to be a sex worker. Some some simp guy will just be like, "Here's 100 bucks just cuz you're you have a

Brian Atlasvagina." >> Well, he's doing that cuz he wants to like get laid by that girl. >> Uh well, sometimes there's like pay pigs that have no expectation of ever sleeping with you. She's shaking her head. Have you had that experience? some some guy cuz you're an attractive guy.

Brian Atlas>> That's like a minority. Is that >> you had some some guys just be like, "Oh, here's 50 bucks or have you had that?" >> Yeah. >> What What was the story? Tell us what happened. >> Really no story, honestly. Um but they

Vicki Sunkind of like just hit me up on social media and with absolutely no expectation. They'll say something be like, "Oh, let me send you money." Just like straight up. And then >> you wouldn't really have I've never done anything with these guys. Never sent them anything. I don't even talk to

Vicki Sunthem, but they'll just like random times of the day. You don't even have to ask. they'll just like send you money. >> Sometimes it's just like worship. But >> how much though? How much have you gotten? >> Um I'd say like total not that much cuz at one point it messed with like my

Vicki Sunmental health and I cut them off. Like I didn't feel right even though I wasn't doing anything. I didn't like the fact that like I was receiving money from random people because I didn't like really need it. It was just more so like

Vicki Sunoh like sure. But then it got to me in the head. But within the course of like two months I'd say probably like a few hundred total. Nothing crazy. And how many about how many different guys would

Brian Atlasyou say sent you >> sent? Like how many of pigs I had or >> Yeah. Like how many like three, four, five guys more or less? >> No, it was like two. >> Two guys? >> Yeah, just two. >> And they contacted you on Instagram or

Vicki Sun>> um they reached out to me on TikTok cuz I would post like videos off. Yeah. And then um >> you do like little dances. >> No, I just post like lip sync like face videos. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, gotcha. >> Um I don't post any like explicit

Vicki Suncontent. Um and I respect for anyone who does. like that's not my business. But yeah, they just reach out to you on that. Pretty much any platform is like possible. >> Why was it messing with your mental health?

Vicki Sun>> Because I just like didn't like that I was even in contact with men like that in general. Like >> Okay. >> It was just like okay. Like >> Sure. Did you have to send them pictures like of your feet or anything like that? >> I never sent them anything. I think like

Vicki Sunit was just them knowing that like they were able to like provide for you or whatever like made them feel better. >> But you would like text them and stuff? >> No, I honestly wouldn't. It would just be even hi or how's it going? >> Well, if they ask, I'd respond, but I

Brian Atlasnever initiated anything. So, >> I see you would give kind of maybe dry responses. >> Dry responses and then like >> they'll send money. Yeah, it wasn't it was purely transactional, I'd say. >> Well, I want to do a role reversal. So,

Brian Atlasas a as a little bucket list thing so that you as women, many of you have maybe you didn't take them up on the offer even if you don't do Only Fans, but you you've maybe been offered, oh,

Brian Atlaslet me be your sugar daddy. Let me send you money. Send me maybe you have whatever it is. I want those of you who have cash right now. >> I want some cash just for existing as a

Brian Atlasman. >> I want So who's going to do it? You going to do it? You going to do it? Who had the cash? You had the cash. >> No, I said no. I nose goes. I'm nosing the go. Someone else has to do it.

Brian Atlas>> You got cash? >> Yes. You you going you I cuz women y'all have the experience of men sing for you. I want to give you a taste of the reverse. I want y'all to see. >> Yeah, but I don't demand it like that.

Brian AtlasYou just demanded it. We I don't do that. >> Yeah. I'm financially dominating right now. Fin. >> This is fintum right now. So get get the get up. Give me some freaking cash. >> Yes, daddy.

Julia>> Oh, >> good girl. Go ahead. Up you go. Go ahead. >> It might not even be there. I'm being serious. I'm dead serious, by the way. >> No, >> it's mine. I earned it. >> Your loss.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Would you feel better if I went up and gave you a 10? I think I have a 10 on me. >> He would. Do you have more? >> He would. >> Probably. Hold it up somewhere. All of it. >> All or I'm an all or nothing kind of

Brian Atlasguy, you know? I'm not going to be wish on the fence, you know, with dating too. I'm not like wishy-washy with a girl. I don't know. It's like allin. Let's go. We're together. When it comes to your

Brian Atlasmoney, all in. Let's go. That's my money now. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> How much you got? What? 12. >> Um, there's the 20 and there's a 10. I've got 30. >> I will take the 30.

Kal Pit>> Do I get up, guys? >> No, don't get up, girl. >> Think of this as a tithe. Okay. This is Mormon church. >> Well, you offered, so you have to get up. >> That is true. >> I asked him if he would feel better. >> Yeah, I do. I have a few bucks.

Lola Gold>> Was actually an ultimatum. I feel good. Just a few mugs. >> Are you you going to Do you want to Should Mary get your purse for you so you don't even have to get up? >> Girl, there's people in the chat giving him money now. You don't need to. He's fine.

Julia>> Oh, no. >> I'm a starving college student. >> But I asked you if it would make you feel better and you did not say yes. >> Is this yours, Mary? >> She feels bad. >> A >> All right. Thank you for the [ __ ] $8.

Brian Atlas>> Does she work for you? What a pickme. >> Yeah. Is she giving you money? >> All right. Okay. Okay. Well, that seems like a nogo. Um, okay. Moving on then. Uh, you had a question for me. Go ahead.

Brian Atlas>> Um, what is your stance on Only Fans? >> What is I mean, it's your opinion on it, but uh, so okay. Um, generally I'm I

Brian Atlaswould say I think as a general idea, I think porn is bad for society. I think it's bad for the individual people who do it. I think it's bad for the

Brian Atlasconsumers. Um I think it's moving us towards uh I guess a greater more degenerate society. Um now I want

Brian Atlasto balance this with I think somebody who like a man for example or even a woman who consumes porn in moderation I think some of the harms of porn consumption are overstated. Now if

Brian Atlasyou're addicted to porn and it has massive impacts on your relationship I think that's bad. My personal view though, I don't believe if I'm in a relationship with a girl and it's not

Brian Atlaslike long distance and we're seeing each other um you know regularly. I I don't watch porn in a relationship. Don't think you should be masturbating in a relationship. You should save that for your partner. Uh if you're not in a

Brian Atlasrelationship, then whatever. You're [ __ ] you're not seeing somebody. You want to watch something 30 minutes, an hour, whatever. That's fine. >> Do you believe that for all relationships or just are you talking about your personal relationships? Well, I mean, I'm talking for my personal

Brian Atlasrelationships, but I would be prepared to prescriptively say I think porn consumption in men or women is going to be harmful for the relationship. Now, even outside of a relationship, I would

Brian Atlassay porn consumption will be generally harmful to you as an individual also and will have uh downstream impacts on future relationships. For I mean, and it can manifest in different ways. It could

Brian Atlaseither be this person, whether man or woman, has an expectation of either how sex should be or how attractive somebody should be. Um, and this this would go both ways. Uh, it would apply to men and

Brian Atlaswomen. Women who consume porn typically, um, they're watching really degenerate stuff. They're watching really rough, violent sex. And it's like, I think the

Brian Atlasaverage guy uh, you women have basically bullied men into this rough sex thing, which I think is a bit peculiar. Look, if people have kinks, if you want to be choked a little bit, you want your hair pulled, you want to be spanked, whatever, that's fine. But some of this

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I feel like it can be a little intense. I don't know. Um, Mary laughed. But, uh, >> and you don't think men are watching the extreme stuff? >> Oh, men are definitely watching extreme

Brian Atlasstuff, too. But, uh, women watch in terms of what women consume, it's like a lot of it's like really rough stuff and like having expectation in a relationship, uh, that a guy does this.

Brian AtlasLook, I mean, look, people have their fetishes, kinks. There's a degree of, look, if it's consensual, it's fine. Um, there's some stuff that I think is

Brian Atlasprobably okay. Other stuff I don't, but um, so there's that component. But, uh, okay. Now, as far as Only Fans goes, um, Only Fans is another layer though.

Brian AtlasSo all that stuff I just referenced about >> right >> about the nudity I personally like I the nudity I don't think is that big of a a

Brian Atlasdeal. Like I can I can sit here and say it's generally probably bad for society. I think it's bad to be consuming. It's bad for the individual. Probably bad. That's kind of when it finally fans

Brian Atlas>> it's not that big of a deal. like watching it's not that big of a deal or particip

Brian Atlascuz my criticism of Only Fans goes beyond the nude content production component. >> Okay? >> Because I think some people can make compelling arguments for the

Brian Atlasacceptability of nude content. They're going to make free speech arguments. uh you're not going to be able to it's going to be very difficult to for example pass laws to prevent people from

Brian Atlasuh producing nude content. Uh so from a politically tenable position I think probably most likely pornography is here to stay. I don't think there's really going to be an avenue politic I mean

Brian Atlasnever say never there's all kinds of political things that we can do to potentially ban it but I think it's unlikely that it will be challenged from a political angle. So, I'm kind of less concerned about that. I think some of

Brian Atlasthe harms are overstated. But with Only Fans, I think the bigger thing is, which I think is completely indefensible, is the scam component of Only Fans. So, it's one thing if you're

Brian Atlasagree if you're a porn producer, like, okay, you know, the >> you're making nude content, whatever, whatever. >> But the scam component is, and there's a couple different components. So, we have

Brian Atlasone only fans girl here. Do you have a management company? I manage myself. >> By the way, a lot of women who >> and >> who do only fans, even if they do have a creative director, >> even if they do have a management

Brian Atlascompany, even if they do have a typer or chatter, they're not going to admit that they do have one. Uh so the scam component of Only Fans is twofold. One is if you make a rep representation on

Lola Goldyour Only Fans platform, you're talking to me, the girl. You're talking to me. I have a friend that's responding to all my messages right now and the only things that are being sold are just like pre-made videos. >> Right. So, my position would be that's

Brian Atlassome degree of fraudulent activity. >> Oh, no. She's saying she's saying Lola is on whatever. You can go and see her now. >> Well, that's different. If you So, it wouldn't be fraudulent if you disclose to the person uh the person you're communicating with who is paying money

Brian Atlasto engage in messaging. >> You're not talking to the girl. You're talking to this uh person who makes $5 a day in the Philippines. >> Some accounts I would >> and who's typically a man. >> Now, now they're probably using AI, I

Brian Atlaswould imagine, to do all the typing and chatting. But so these Only Fans girls who many of them, some of them, especially the high earning ones, >> I have to prove myself with voice notes. I literally voice note every day. Well, you could because people, there's so

Brian Atlasmany girls that are out there standing. could pepper those in and then like 95% of the other work is some dude in [ __ ] the Philippines making $5 an hour. >> You don't you don't know about this the typers and chatters.

Brian Atlas>> No, >> you don't know about typers and chatters. So it's the way women on only fans make money is they through messaging. >> Understand? >> Right. Obviously. >> And so there's there's this component

Brian Atlasand messaging sometimes with dozens, hundreds or even thousands of different people. one person typically especially >> unless you have a VIP page then so on my

Lola Goldfree page I had like 19,000 fans and it was genuinely just you buy something from the wall and I'm probably not going to talk to you because how the hell am I supposed to >> well even if you don't do it this is still true for most Only Fans girls

Brian Atlas>> I know I know it is I know for for >> right so I mean also it's like how are you going they're [ __ ] online 24/7 constantly always >> or they'll buy a video and it's meant to be like nude and then it's going to be them like covering up.

Lola Gold>> Oh yeah. Some of the girls >> hearts with like little pieces of tape and stuff and it's just Yeah. It's inauthentic. >> Or there's some girls like recently I've heard there's some girls that are doing only fans that don't even enjoy sex and then and they're not doing it for that

Lola Goldreason. I'm like girl if you don't enjoy your job, get a new job. What are you doing? >> So So you enjoy what you're doing then? >> Yeah. I love I I love it. Yeah. I have

Lola Goldsex for pleasure. I masturbate for pleasure. My uh videos are authentic and real and Yeah. But don't you feel some amount of shame that you're doing this? >> I feel no shame. No shame. Why not? I'm sorry. I just don't.

Brian Atlas>> You don't have to. >> So, let's uh let's just finish off the the point here. It's there's the type chatter fraud where you're basically look if if you're a company and you

Brian Atlascould say like let's say Justin Bieber offered up a service for his fans. Not a sexual thing but not on only fans but like hey if you pay $50 a month or you

Brian Atlaspay for individual messages you can actually be corresponding with me and that's the advertisement. And it turns out that it actually wasn't Justin Bieber

Brian Atlas>> who was actually talking to his fans. It was an assistant. Uh maybe somebody overseas. >> This would open Justin Bieber up to a

Brian Atlaslawsuit for fraud. So that's one of the components of fraud with Only Fans. The other component of fraud is the this is even a deeper level which I think is more insidious is the women are um a lot

Brian Atlasof women on only fans claim to be single but they're actually uh in relationships. So they claim to be single and they do what I consider a romance scam. They sell a girlfriend

Brian Atlasexperience and they they through the parasocial relationship that they develop with their um typically male clientele. They're going to bait these

Brian Atlasmen into thinking that they are developing and building a relationship, a romantic relationship with the man in an effort to siphon

Brian Atlasmoney from them without any actual genuine intention of like dating the guy, but with but they lead these men on as if yes, I will, you

Brian Atlasknow, we're pursuing it and they will do as much as possible to delay delay, delay, delay meeting, and then they try to siphon as much money as possible under the guise of, oh, we're dating,

Brian Atlaswe're in a relationship. Uh, so that's another layer, I think, worse, below the one that I just mentioned as to the fraud component. That's really despicable. Um, >> why are you talking about these guys?

Brian AtlasSorry. >> And then you you can imagine though, um, like imagine if it was the reverse. Uh, imagine if you know there if if you're a

Brian Atlasman and you induce a woman into a romance scam and siphon money from them, you get a Netflix special made about you. What was it? The [ __ ] Tinder swindler. Uh, so it's interesting that

Brian Atlaswe have wholesale massive scale of romance scam happening on only fans typically in the direction of men. Uh, that basically just is accepted. People are just like, "Oh, they deserve it.

Brian AtlasThey're stupid." Uh, I take a bit perhaps a bit more empathetic approach to these men. I think most of these men tend to be incredibly lonely, incredibly desperate to some degree. Yes, buy or beware, but they're being misled by

Lola Goldthese women. >> I'm a companion to a lot of guys that I talk to and I genuinely love chatting to them. I think that >> you like chatting to them. >> Yes, I do. I video chat. I voice note. I like Yeah.

Lola Gold>> How much do you charge for that? >> I'm not disclosing my prices. >> You do charge for it, though. Yes, I do. >> But that's trans like, you know, it's not something that I'm forcing anybody to do. I'm not I'm not forcing it. They

Lola Goldcome to me and I provide a service, >> but maybe if they're like they're widowed, >> or they're they have disabilities. You're single, right? >> I I am. >> Yeah. Do you know any are you aware of this phenomenon? Do you know any Only

Kal PitFans girls who claim they're single, but they're actually married, >> but they don't say that publicly or they actually have a long-term boyfriend? I guess. >> Yeah. >> I don't think these guys are the victims

Kal Pityou're making them out to be. I think like they need to live in reality at some point. Like they know what they're getting into. They willingly sent their money to like someone on the internet. >> Um >> I have a question. >> Well, I mean,

Brian Atlas>> real talk. >> So, I'm not taking full accountability away from them. So, I think uh as a man, I mean, with any sort of purchase, there's a degree of buyer beware. Uh

Brian Atlasalthough that actually isn't totally the legal standard like corporations have a duty to not mislead their the their

Brian Atlascustomers. Um so yes uh yeah they should have some diligence when it comes to this but I think you have to understand a lot of men can be

Brian Atlasvery naive especially men with minimal or no dating experience. Um, maybe it's some older men. Uh, >> right. But an only fans model. Like that's like thinking the stripper actually likes you. That's like thinking

Amelia (Phlebotomist)the waitress actually flirted with you. >> Sure. But you you But that's the game that's the game that the Only Fans girls are playing >> and like do you think that that is the biggest issue with Only Fans is like you said like this is worse. Like this is

Amelia (Phlebotomist)next level, right? when don't you think the first level, the worst level is only fans just existing in the first place because that's misleading men to seek validation and security and something that is not going to be present. It's an

Amelia (Phlebotomist)artificial sense of security. So, personally, I'm going to disagree with you. I think that the existence of porn in general leads men to believe that they're going to find a sense of security in a woman who is getting monetary gain out of it when they're

Amelia (Phlebotomist)getting nothing but getting deeper into the [ __ ] rabbit hole that's pushed onto them by the over sexualization of everything in society. And Only Fans is like the peak of that.

Brian Atlas>> Well, but so my cuz Only Fans is unique in the sense that it's adult content packaged with the parasocial actual like

Brian Atlasfor example before Only Fans if a girl was a porn star like the consumer did not have access to them on a parasocial

Brian Atlaslevel. So absence Only Fans there was porn before only fans. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that, but you're saying the the the nude content is the

Brian Atlasissue. I agree. It is an it is an issue. But the unique issue I have with Only Fans is the uh the frauding, the frauding, the typer, the chatter, the

Brian Atlasmessaging, but it's not actually them. But then the girlfriend experience where they're siphoning money from men who uh these women are misleading them to believe that a relationship is being

Brian Atlasdeveloped when there actually isn't a genuine intention on the woman's part to actually see through that relationship. They just know. Like for example, if a girl's in love with me, if I was

Brian Atlasinclined to be a piece of [ __ ] it's really easy for me to manipulate a woman. It's easier for me, much easier for me to manipulate a woman who's in love with me than a woman who's not.

Brian AtlasIt's much easier for me to siphon money from a woman, not that I'd ever do this, >> unless you're on the podcast. >> I could So, I could definitely siphon money from a woman who was in love with me. Well, of course,

Brian Atlas>> versus just some random woman on the street. >> And so, with their girlfriend experience that they do on this thing, they they do lead the men down this we're building a

Brian Atlasrelationship. And for a guy who has very little dating prospects, maybe the only attention they're getting from a woman, positive attention, is this only fans

Kal Pitgirl. It's really easy to make that guy get really invested in the woman. Why is your biggest issue with like how it's affecting the men and not the fact that like a bunch of girls are getting

Brian Atlasgroomed before they turn 18 like the minute they turn 18 to start an only fans that premise quick easy money and >> I don't understand I don't know why you're bringing it to this underage thing although look

Brian Atlas>> uh well first off in order to be only fans you have to be of age now yes there are some women who like it's my 18th birthday going to drop the only fans right on my 18th birthday That's that does happen. But the

Brian Atlasmajority of women on Only Fans, it's >> it's not always a first choice. You know, >> the majority of women on Only Fans are not being sex traffic. They're willingly do it. They they want to be making $100,000 a month.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, not all of them make that much, but they they want the quick money. They want they want it. So, this idea I mean, I don't understand your criticism here.

Brian AtlasUm, do I of the women who are or may be being trafficked into Only Fans, do I object to that? Yes, absolutely. It's wrong. However, the majority of women

Kal Pitare doing it willingly, >> right? But response, yeah, like I guess I'm just wondering why do you think like when you talk about your biggest gripe with Only Fans, you're talking about how it affects the men. Like what about how it affects the women's mental state?

Kal Pitlike they have to deal with talking to weirdos all the time or just the fact that just like these girls probably have like something else going on like you know like they don't respect themselves that's why they're like selling this content. >> Well look yeah I mean sure I'd be

Brian Atlaswilling to grant it's not that I'd be willing to I do in fact grant that uh women who do sex work it's harmful to them too. It's harmful to them too. I think a lot of women who do sex work

Brian Atlasactually end up having typically uh they typically don't while in it or after they leave it they see a dark side of men sometimes that is

Lola Goldnot so great so that has a negative impact on them uh they've traded their soul for money >> I'm like a nyomaniac so I actually love sex if you can google it um or somebody can but yeah >> well I know what nymph nyomaniac is but

Lola Goldyou could be a >> I love Sex. Well, how do you know you don't have a sex addiction? >> It makes I probably do have sex. But this is a different topic. >> It's It's under safe. I'm in safe hands. >> A woman can be a nyomaniac and not be a sex worker.

Lola Gold>> So, we're getting into a different topic here. >> Okay. >> You You think all nyomomaniacs must be sex work? >> No. No. Of course not. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I enjoy what I do because I believe that I am a bit of a nyomaniac.

Lola Gold>> That's what I'm saying. >> Um I don't think that I'm going to come away from what I do. I don't believe I sold my soul. I don't think I'm going to come away from it like a shell of a woman. Like, I'm genuinely. Yeah. Okay,

Lola Goldyou can. Whatever. But yeah. >> How long have you been doing sex work? >> Um, I've been on Only Fans for 2 years almost. >> Is that the only form of sex work that you've done?

Lola Gold>> Yes. >> I need to get up momentarily, but if you guys want, it seemed like you guys wanted to have a bit of back and forth on this, feel free to continue. Um, yeah, I I did love my job beforehand. I work with animals and I was doing my

Lola Goldveterary nursing degree. Um, but it doesn't pay well and I was being paid a lot for what I was doing and my catwalk shows and my bikini modeling that I just

Lola Goldstarted to do my work on only fans. And now when I get my pay out and when I retire, I want to open a sanctuary to actually help the animals that I have missed out helping whilst not doing my

Kal Pitveterary. Do you not have a fear that you're going to age out of the industry like by the time you reach like I don't know how old you are but like wait how old are you? >> I'm 23. I'm 24 in a couple months. >> Okay. So like by the time you're like 27 plus they start saying that you hit the

Lola Goldwall like >> I'm not going to be doing it anymore. >> So you have enough money you think to retire about soon? I hope so. And I want to open my animal sanctuary. >> Wait, why will you not be doing it? Do you think?

Lola Gold>> Just cuz I I might because I enjoy putting out my own content. I may still do that. And like to my loyal fans, I probably still I might like still use my site, but I won't be like hustling as

Melinehard as I hustle. Now, >> you said that you it gives you pleasure doing what you do. Do you think that we should do anything that gives us pleasure or is there like a a line that

Lola Goldyou draw there? Like what if >> um I say that we should as aside from sex like we should all do what we love because predom predominantly you're in a job for however many years um and all of

Juliayour week is spent at your work normally. So I do believe that we should all do something that we love in life. >> This is a hard >> I think that's important but >> question to ask ahead. >> Do you feel like you're adding like

Juliavalue to society and that you're like making the correct like butterfly effects? You know what I mean? so that you're not just like other than yourself, but like other people um are also being better versions of

Lola Goldthemselves. You know what I mean? Like do >> is that her life purpose? >> Are you asking if that's her life purpose? Basically, >> what I don't like about it is when men go behind their partner's backs to go on

Lola Goldto Only Fans. And like I do there is a sense of like guilt that I find and I'm like why are you doing that? Just and they'll be like oh my wife's upstairs and I'm like well get off this [ __ ] platform like I don't want to talk to you. like you know. So >> yeah. So

Meline>> um >> what if cuz just to go along with what we were saying >> um what if >> do you think that you can something can please you but be bad for you? And if that's the case then should you not do

Lola Goldwhat pleases you in some circumstances? >> I respect what you're saying entirely. um like like anything like drugs or any addiction that anybody may have like it

Lola Goldmay give them pleasure for an amount of time but then it could be detrimental to other people around them. I absolutely understand that but I feel that what I do is like I don't think I'm I don't

Lola Goldbelieve I'm hurting anybody. Um and yeah have not hurt any of my fans yet. They're all happy. Um >> I've not scammed anyone. Nobody's got

Lola Goldangry. Nobody charges back. I don't have any um I don't have a bad rep on only fans for being a scammer. Um >> yeah, >> there's a lot a lot of my friends as well like are not in the industry. Um

Melineyeah, >> I haven't even said my opinion or anything. I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate. But if someone were >> only o girls, so it's only me. >> You probably expected this, but >> I mean yeah, to an extent.

Meline>> Yeah. Um, so if someone was able to convince you that you were harming someone, then in that case, would you think twice about what you do or >> Yeah, I Yeah, I would I would probably

Amelia (Phlebotomist)rethink if it was something that was genuinely extremely detrimental to somebody's health or their life, then of course I'm >> So like if a cheating boyfriend does reach out to you and like messages you be like, "Oh, my my my girl is upstairs,

Lola Goldmy wife is upstairs, do you then cut off communication or do you still engage?" >> I'm just respectfully like curious. I will cut off conversation if I'm like okay this really isn't right and like they'll tell me that they have children

Kal Pitor whatn not and I'm just like no like genuinely like I pick and choose who I talk to because it's actually me talking >> I'm really hard for people to believe but it is um >> but you don't think sometimes these guys

Lola Goldthat have partners >> I'm not going to like entertain people that if they talk to me like [ __ ] if they come on and you're like and they like are very vulgar and they're calling me names or they want me to do certain things that I'm not comfortable with, I

Indiewould never do it. I have my own boundaries and yeah, that's important. >> Can we all agree that people in general, not just women, but women and men, should do whatever makes them happy as long as it's not hurting themselves or

Mahiother people? >> I never feel like sex work has been a thing for like centuries. Like women were getting exploited. Like there was prostitution. There were like it's been there for so

Mahilong. I feel like Only Fans honest I could say is like a kind of good thing cuz women are finally being able to take control of what they want to do. They're not getting exploited like they were on like Pornhub or anything like that. And like Only Fans was created by a woman

Amelia (Phlebotomist)because she wanted like woman creators. >> And do you know who owns it now? >> No, I have no idea. >> Isn't it kind of like a pyramid? >> A Jewish person who donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Israel war right now.

Mahi>> Yeah. for the whole purpose. I'm just saying like it's >> it's like sex work will always be a thing. At least now women are finally getting something out of it. Like they're getting what they deserve. Also, honestly, like Only Fans and Pornhub,

Melinethere honestly might be a better option because women aren't having to meet men in person. Obviously, strip clubs are still a thing, but if you're not, if you don't want to do that, like there's still a way you can do that. >> It might be more ideal than other forms of sex work. And I would like >> Well, sex work will always be a thing.

Melinelike it's been your first century, >> but you can still have a standard or like you can still think it's harmful to society and just because what is that going to do so I don't disagree that it's always been but so is murder but that doesn't make murder okay >> but no matter what you do you'll never

Melineget rid of like sex work >> yeah if she even if she sets her boundaries these men are just going to find someone else who doesn't >> I think there's indivual responsib Yeah I think there's individual responsibility that we should place on

Melinethe men who are consuming it absolutely and I think there's responsib ibility cuz I'm of the belief that sex work is wrong in any form or type. Correct. So I think that there's a tremendous amount

Melineof responsibility for those who are producing it as well. Um so and and just because something's been here for a long time, I don't think that necessarily means like okay well let's just turn a blind eye or support it. >> It's just at least these women aren't

Melinebeing exploited as they were. >> I think they are but they're exploiting themselves. >> But they're choosing. >> But they're choosing to but just because you choose to do something doesn't make it. Some people would say that um people that

Lola Gold>> go to work for 12 hours a day and they work potentially like on a on a building site or in construction. I do believe that they're doing their bodies a dishonor. Um and I'll probably live a longer,

Kal Pit>> more healthy and happier life than those people. Um >> okay. >> Yeah. And that's true. I think >> Thank you, Brian. >> Yeah. And it's also about hard work, too. It's not about like being lazy and

Juliajust taking a picture of your tits. Oh, girl, it's I promise you it's not that >> a part of me kind of wishes I could have your moral compass because if I did if I wasn't mean, if I was like you or had a part of like, you know, your moral

Juliacompass, I would have done my only fans thing like I mentioned, I would have done the nude yoga. I would have full sent it. But I knew a part of me would have felt destroyed. And this is just the natural man speaking right now. But

Juliaum the part of me that's, you know, not godly right now, I just I wish I could be like you, but I can't. And if I tried, it would destroy me. And like I feel weird admitting that I'm jealous in a way in a way. >> Thank you so much. Like there's there's

Juliaa Bible verse and it's interesting that you mentioned animals and I have to share it because you've mentioned animals. Um the good are kind to their animals, but the good acts of the wicked

Juliaare considered cruel. And I'm not calling you wicked, but like I hope and I really hope one day you don't wake up and like look at yourself like the picture of Dorian Gray and realize, "Oh my gosh, look at me. look at this person

JuliaI was and and and like have like this big regret. Like if you like you're genuinely like that's your epistemology. Everything you've said that's your own epistemology, your dating epistemology, your career epistemology. I respect that, you know, and I can't I cannot

Juliaargue >> and that's coming from two people that are complete polar opposites. >> Yeah. >> And and I have my own. I cannot switch your epistemology with mine despite what I do. >> And I've tried. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I I mean I would I don't want to

Melinesound like I'm judging you or anything like that. I think at the end of the day, we came on here to share our morals and our values. >> I was hoping I may have one. >> And I respect you as a person. Um I don't think that means I need to agree

Brian Atlaswhat with what you say, but one of the points you brought up was like the 12-hour workday. Let's say you're working. >> I'm very sorry. >> I have to move the topic more. >> Um I need I need to get back up though

Brian Atlashere in a moment. But, uh, just while we're waiting, you had some hot takes, >> while I step away, I'll let you have a little girl session if you want to dive into that.

Kal Pit>> Um, I don't remember everything I sent you, but yeah, one thing I did send you was I >> Go ahead. >> that I think a woman's right to vote should count as three-fifths of a man's vote.

Kal Pit>> I'll be back. >> Why elaborate? Why? Because I don't think women are nearly as competent as men are. Like I've been around girls and they say these things like, "Oh, I don't want to go there." And I'm like, "Why?

Kal PitI've never driven that far before. I'm scared." It's like you've never heard a man ever opt out of anything out of fear because they don't have that option to. I just Or like you just hear like women tend to like rely on men a lot too. Like

Kal Pitthey basically want like a surrogate father figure. Like they they think it's cute to act generalization. >> Yeah. But I'm I am talking generally. I'm talking about like how women like most women honestly like they tend to think it's like cute to be weak and

Kal Pitincompetent and they want like a man to come and them >> but stereotypes are true for a reason like they form for a reason. It's like pattern recognition. >> It's important to not generalize and say

Melinelike most women some women you know >> well incompetent at what like what are you refer you have to be specific there because it is a generalization but it's it's hard to say that just women in general aren't competent like at what?

Vicki SunWell, I just like >> there's tons of women I know. >> You're a woman yourself. You can start with yourself. What do you think you're not competent in? Break it down. >> Um, well, I don't think I'm the most athletic.

Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> So, what if I told you I can run a mile faster than my brother who works out every day? I also finished technical college and he didn't. >> I'm the first person in my family to do that. >> I think there are competent women that

Amelia (Phlebotomist)exist. I'm not saying they don't like. >> Right. So, what's the generalization when there's record-breaking surgery? And I'm not a feminist. I'm not a feminist. But but I'm telling you, for me personally, with my religion, in the Bible, it says God created men and

Amelia (Phlebotomist)women equal. Yes, with different roles. Different roles in society. But physically, I'm not as strong as my brother, but I can run faster than him. That's great. But to say that it's like almost like 3/4s of a man is almost like

Amelia (Phlebotomist)derogatory to your own self. Like it's almost like some self- projection going on there because I don't think that way. I don't think some of these other ladies here think that way. And it's honestly kind of offensive. Mhm. >> You're basically saying we're worth like three fifths of what a man is.

Kal Pit>> But do we do the same roles that men do in society? Like they're most likely to get drafted into war. Are we? >> Not all of Wait, most I think it should be different for the war. >> There's definitely different gender roles in our society. >> Obviously. Yeah. >> Right.

Mahi>> And you don't think men do more of like the harder work in society? >> In this generation, it's honestly it's starting to break. Like women are just as >> So you think like there's a lot of women in blue collar work? I want to say blue card, but there's in lawyers, doctors,

Mahisurgeons, like women are shown that they're as competent. It's just how we grow like raised. But now women are starting to raise stronger women. And it's like we can see that we're >> But you think that's like all women? You think every single woman?

Indie>> But again, with the generalization, we can't say all women, all men. There's an exception to every stereotype, to every gender. >> Yeah, I believe that. I think there's always exceptions to everyone. >> Exactly. We can't say like most women act weak and incompetent and we want a

Kal Pitman to provide for us because that's not most women. >> You don't think women think it's cute to be weak and incompetent like ever? >> Maybe that's you. But >> no, it's not me. It's me getting fed up and jaded with my own gender acting that way all the time. >> What's your idea of a competent woman? W woman then,

Kal Pit>> right? >> I guess someone more rational. Someone that doesn't let like fear overtake me. >> Do you believe in gender roles? >> To some extent. Yeah. Do you believe that men are naturally more logical or

Kal Pitrational? >> I think there are like feminine men out there for sure, but I think on average, yeah, like there's probably more men that are typically more rational than women. >> Do you know that scientifically a woman,

Amelia (Phlebotomist)it was created by God to think harder and rationally about situations. While men before the age of 26, when their brain, their frontal cortex is fully developed, they are statistically more inclined to take risks. That's why a

Amelia (Phlebotomist)woman can rent a car at a younger age than a man can because her brain develops faster. I'm just that's just how it is. Doesn't mean that he's not going to be accelerated at certain things earlier on in life, but it's like that specific part of the brain with

Amelia (Phlebotomist)critical thinking and risk assessment is developed much quicker in a woman. So, I I'm trying to figure out like like where like the logical like ground here is. Like I said, I'm not a feminist, but it's like just scientifically just doesn't make sense. Well, it's also

Melineconfusing because you kind of just conceded the point that men on average are probably more rational and this isn't my my belief. I'm just this is what you had conceded. But it als But you also said in order for a woman to be

Melinecompetent, she needs to be more rational. So it's it's like >> if you how do you believe in gender roles if you're saying in order for a woman to be competent, she needs to act like a man, which in your opinion is someone who's more rational. Does that

Melinemake sense? >> Yeah. But I don't know what you're asking. So, are you >> Well, I'm just saying it doesn't it's like a Well, it it's like you're asking girls to be or women to act more like men in your belief in order to be

Kal Pitcompetent, >> but you also believe in gender roles and that women should act like women and men should act like men. >> I think like I don't know. I feel like I can't control other people, right? Like if there's a feminine guy out there, if

Amelia (Phlebotomist)there's a tomboy out there, like that's just who they are. Like people like everyone's their own person, you know? So if there's a really strong woman, is that just who she is too? >> Yeah. >> So technically the same it should apply to both genders what you're saying about

Kal Pitincompetency. Yeah. I mean I've definitely met like just really like like typically like the quote unquote incelss like guys that are just like feel really entitled to a girl's affection but they don't do anything but play video games all day. Like I think

Indieguys like that are incompetent, you know, for one example. >> Right. So stereotypes do exist, but like

Indiedoes that make generalizing? Okay. Like what you said earlier about most women being weak and incompetent? >> No. I said they like they think it's cute to act that way,

Indie>> right? You think it's cute. >> It's like weaponized incompetence almost. >> Well, there's no statistic that proves that. >> I think it's maybe you know more like if you know more women that act that way,

Indieyou could say that. But to general to generalize a gender and say that most of our gender acts that way, it's offensive. And I think probably a lot of the women here would take offense to that comment.

Erica>> And act weak in what way? Like like physically like I can't lift anything or >> probably mean like weak minded like >> like I guess weak-minded. Yeah. >> Okay. So h

Meline>> I think it's just vague. Like I would disagree with you because I think you definitely can make generalizations, but if you're going to have the stats, >> right? No, I agree with that. >> It shouldn't be. >> I agree with that 100%.

Kal Pit>> Well, also to be fair to women, I do want to point out like I do think part of it comes from the fact that it's not just that women aren't encouraged, they're actually actively discouraged, whether they're like good at school or good at their hobbies. Like a lot of

Kal Pittimes like like the whole concept of male mediocrity. Like a guy will be not as talented as a girl, but he gets all the attention because he's a guy. Like I do think that there is that in society like people kind of just push back on women a lot and don't give them enough credit.

Meline>> I don't think that's true either really. I feel like nowadays I'm sorry for for disagreeing with you on a lot but um no I don't feel like men get most of the attention nowadays. I'd say it's

Meline>> I think they get much less. >> Yeah, I think they get a lot less. Um I would agree. So I think we we also highlight women because usually we don't choose to do like for example blue collar work and stuff like that. So we

Amelia (Phlebotomist)tend to highlight women who do do those things like girls or women in STEM. >> That's like it's like a novel piece versus common which is like male blueco collar right is what you're saying. >> There's definitely some cultures like I

Kal Pitcan talk like personally that are like more patriarchal. So like when a girl gets born everyone's like kind of like oh sucks for you but when a guy gets born like everyone's so excited. Like I know it's like that in my culture. I know like I've heard of something called

Kal Pitmachismo in like Latin culture too. So I know that is a thing but I don't know about America. >> I mean that's a thing but it's just that it's a thing.

Kal Pit>> It's something I don't like I've had it happen to me in person where like I'm out with my dad and people will say hi and greet him but not me. you know, like >> that could be a respect thing too >> because you know, like that happens with

Ericame and my dad, but it's like because some men don't like my dad might not want some one of his friends talking to me, you know, and they know that or they don't want to cross that line, that

Indieboundary and make a mistake. So, it's like a a respect thing, I think. >> I have a question for you. Um, going back to like gender roles and stuff like that, do you believe that it's it should

Indiebe more socially acceptable and it should be okay for men to show emotion? >> Show emotion. How? Like crying, >> crying, expressing their feelings. >> Um,

Kal Pit>> emotions besides like anger, you know. >> I think it's okay for men to be nurturing and vulnerable, but I don't think men should cry. No. >> Do you think women should cry? >> Yeah.

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