MEGA BLACK PlLL?! Fake VlRGlN Sarah?! Mormon Girl Tried To Sell Her VlRGlNlTY?! | Dating Talk 281

Date: 2026-02-09
Duration: 9h 27m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Erica(guest)
SPEAKER_03Indie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_06Kal Pit(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Meline(guest)
SPEAKER_09Lola Gold(guest)
SPEAKER_10Mahi(guest)
SPEAKER_12Julia(guest)
SPEAKER_13Vicki Sun(guest)
SPEAKER_14Amelia (Phlebotomist)(guest)

Key Moments

00:00:09
IntroAll guests introduce themselves
01:38:25
Key MomentLola Gold vs Meline: OnlyFans ethics debate
02:10:00
ControversyKal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote
03:55:00
ControversyVicki Sun would side with China over USA
04:32:00
QuoteJulia listed virginity for sale at $500K-$1M on Cinderella Escorts
07:50:00
ControversyKal Pit's hot take: re-legalize hitting wives. Near universal condemnation.

Topics Discussed

00:00:09
Guest Introductions

All guests introduce themselves.

01:38:25
OnlyFans/Sex Work Debate

Lola Gold defends OF. Meline/Julia push back.

02:10:00
Women's Voting Rights

Kal Pit: women should have 3/5 of a vote.

03:55:00
China vs USA Allegiance

Vicki Sun sides with China.

04:15:00
Sarah Stock Controversy

Conservative Catholic influencer who faked virginity while cheating.

04:32:00
Julia's Virginity Sale

Listed virginity on Cinderella Escorts for $500K-$1M.

04:53:20
Body Count Reveals

Range from 0 (Julia) to 12 (Lola).

06:20:00
Self-Ratings and Brian Rates

Most rated 5-6.5 by Brian.

07:50:00
Kal Pit's Hot Take

Bring back legalizing hitting your wife. Major controversy.

08:11:03
ICE/Immigration Debate

Mahi defends pro-immigration position.

Transcript

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01:58:33
Kal PitWhy? What's the difference between women crying and men crying? >> Cuz I think like men kind of have to like I know like in my household for example like men kind of like have to make a decision for a household or
01:58:45
Amelia (Phlebotomist)something like you kind of have to know that this person's like reliable or mentally strong. So this sounds like a very like culturally based take and I'm going to agree with you on that because like not agree sorry disagree with you on that because I was also raised in a
01:58:57
Amelia (Phlebotomist)very culturally based family. German hardcore. My dad was born there. He's a sergeant sheriff. the same exact way he was taught men don't cry, boys don't cry. He is now two divorces later crying doing AA because he didn't express that
01:59:09
Amelia (Phlebotomist)for all the years he was with me and now at the age of 21 with me I was taught word for word I was raised I was supposed to go to military school didn't end up going because of a surgery is that men don't cry get on your toes
01:59:20
Amelia (Phlebotomist)stand out of attention he's now teaching me all these years later he sat us down we just got back from a beautiful trip we have a beautiful relationship he's apologized for everything he told me that was some place where I went wrong because that's what that's how I was
01:59:31
Amelia (Phlebotomist)raised I passed down the generational trauma And it had a huge effect on me to the point where it broke two different marriages because if men don't express their feelings, it comes out in other ways. Abuse, mistreatment, emotional abuse, whatever
01:59:43
Amelia (Phlebotomist)it is, divorce, and later on life, they have to deal with it. I've lived that. I've experienced it. And it is a very culturally based thing. Not as much in a general American households anymore, but with more traditional families, that's how it works. But I'm just want to show
01:59:56
Amelia (Phlebotomist)you what from my perspective and from all the other aspects of my family because it's happened in other branches of my family that that's the outcome >> as well as my brother ending up in jail twice. >> So,
02:00:07
Indie>> and anyone suppressing their emotions like as a woman, you know, if we're feeling distressed or our mental health is, you know, not good, we're told to like go to therapy or open up to someone
02:00:18
Indieabout it or talk about it, right? that like men aren't like openly allowed to cry or allowed to like show emotions and like what does that do to a person's mental state? >> What is therapy doing for women though?
02:00:30
Kal PitLike you're just talking in circles about something that's never going to change. >> Like what can a therapist really do for you? They can't change your situation. >> That's not true. I would you would expect them to hand you a tissue and pat
02:00:42
Indieyou on the back. >> It's coping mechanisms and like new ways of looking at open your eyes on different perspectives. So >> yeah, but there's other ways to do that. Like >> there is other ways to do that and I totally respect your view. If you don't agree with therapy and you don't agree
02:00:54
Indiewith that for yourself, you know, that's fine. That's like I respect your opinion. But I think like to generalize and say that therapy doesn't work is just like, you know, it's another like big generalizing statement because it does work for some people. It does help
02:01:08
Ericasome people. >> And I feel like if you're talking in circles and you're not getting anywhere, that's a >> that's a bad therapist. That's a you problem too because you should be willing to change if you actually want to make a difference in yourself.
02:01:21
Indie>> There's different ways to help yourself besides therapy. You know, it's not for everyone. Some people might go to therapy and be like, you know, this isn't working for me. I don't feel like I resonate with this. And then they'll go on and do a different form of something to help with their mental health, whether that's like art or, you
02:01:34
Indieknow, a different form of expressing themsel, talking to someone that they care about. Like there's there's different ways. Therapy is not the only option. And I respect people having like their own opinions on that. But what I was going back to like that got off
02:01:47
Indietopic is like I don't think it's healthy for anyone to suppress their emotions and what they are going through. It's going to lead to bigger problems in the future. >> I think you should know how to control your emotions though. And I think no
02:01:59
Melinemaybe we should give women a little bit more leeway in terms of because I mean hormonally we just are different. Like there are certain times of month that I'm >> crazy and there are certain times where
02:02:10
MelineI'm not. And so I think like there is some validity to that to that and I I don't I know I was grow raised with a dad who was like very traditional too and my mom same and I like respect him a
02:02:24
Melinelot because of how he controlled his emotions and it taught me a lot as well. Um, so I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to I don't want to say full on suppress your emotions, but control them, learn how to control them. >> Controlling and suppressing your
02:02:37
Melineemotions are two different things. Regulating is then the next level up from that because >> Yeah. And that'll look different for everyone, right? So, >> yeah, of course. >> Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want my husband constantly coming to me crying and I
02:02:50
Melinedon't think he would want the same from for me to him to either. Um, >> yeah, that's that's different. >> Yeah. But I think a lot of women would say that, but I don't know that they would necessarily respect a guy that
02:03:02
Indiecame crying to them about something that, you know, >> I thousand% would. I would think that I would actually see the man as being a lot stronger for being able to open up to me and come to me about something and like express their emotions to me in that way. I'd see them as being 1,000%
02:03:16
Indiestronger for that. >> So, has a man ever cried to you before? And how did it make you feel? >> Many times. And it made me feel okay happy that they were able to come to me and confide in me. Happy that you know
02:03:29
Indiethey were able to come to me and I was able to be there for them and listen to them. And also just like glad that you know things are changing in our
02:03:41
Lola Goldsociety so that they didn't feel like that pressure to keep it all pent inside. >> It's really important that you're providing that space for a man to come to you because >> well I want to be a therapist one day. Yeah. And male suicides are higher than
02:03:52
Lola Goldany other suicide rate. And I think that it's >> Yeah. opinions like that of men not being allowed to cry or express themselves that would lead somebody to >> Yeah.
02:04:04
Indie>> And I have a question for you. What would you do if a man that you really cared about, a friend, someone you loved, a family member came to you crying about something? >> Are you going to make fun of them and be like, "Oh, that's not manly of you." Or
02:04:16
Kal Pitare you going to judge them? I would never make fun of someone like like while they're crying or something like that. But >> but men aren't supposed to cry, right? >> Yeah. I mean like I would definitely like ask what what's going on and like
02:04:28
Kal Pittry to figure out what's going on. But I I have to be honest and admit like there is a part of me that would kind of get the ick and be kind of like uh like what >> would you think they're weak for crying in front of you? >> Yeah, probably. >> But when you cry it's okay and you're not weak for that cuz you're a woman,
02:04:42
Vicki Sunright? I guess like she said like women have like hormonal stuff going on too sometimes >> but men also have feelings. You what you're saying right now feelings are not valid cry when we're on our periods.
02:04:55
Meline>> What? >> She asked if it was okay to only cry when we're on our periods. I think >> I >> I think it's definitely okay for men to cry. Um, but if you're doing if you're
02:05:07
Melinejust as emotional as me, it's going to be harder for me to respect you because I need someone to ground me. Um, like I'm not asking for him to be like my therapist or anything, but like I I don't know. I feel like it is harder for
02:05:20
Melinea woman to respect a guy if he's just as emotional as her. And that's why I think like something can be true for a woman. Like it might be okay for me to constantly cry about things cuz I just happen to be an emotional person. But if
02:05:31
Melinethat was the same for a guy because he's a guy and this might seem unfair to some people. Um it's it's just it would be harder, at least speaking for myself, it'd be harder to respect him. Um and
02:05:42
Melinenot to say he can't come to me if he ever needs to. Um or he can't be vulnerable because I think vulnerabil vulnerability is like very important in a relationship. Um but at this there is
02:05:54
Indiekind of that double standard if you will, but it's it just goes back into the different rules. I'd like to challenge that though because that gets into different people and different connections. Every person has different needs and wants in a relationship, in a
02:06:06
Indiefriendship, whatever. If you have your own mental health stuff, like say you're struggling with depression, anxiety, whatever, and you're going to your partner a lot crying or, you know, just
02:06:18
Indieexpressing that to them that you're in like emotional distress, you might not be able to take on the emotional dist distress of your partner being in that same headsp space. >> Mhm. >> Right. And I think that's person to person. That's not like man to woman.
02:06:30
IndieLike the man needs to stand up and be the bigger. Like I don't I just think like if two people are both in mental like bad mental headspaces like it's not it might not work out because I think
02:06:41
Melinebut even if they're in an ideal mental head I don't think it changes anything for me. like there's variations but I think it there is usually a role like
02:06:50
Melinetypically if a man is just as emotional as his partner um then typically she it's going to be harder for her to respect him. I think there's like different times you might be going through different things in your life
02:07:03
Melineand it might make it, you know, harder to balance. There's a balance in different relationships, but I think again there's there's usually a general rule that applies. And I just from what I've experienced and seen with my
02:07:16
Amelia (Phlebotomist)girlfriends and stuff, I I just find that to be true. >> I agree. That's kind of like a biological thing almost that women are like most women, again, a situational are like programmed to want to feel safe and protected. And like yes, like I said
02:07:28
Amelia (Phlebotomist)before, I believe that men should be able to cry when they need to express their feelings in a vulnerable space with the right person. Again, situation to situation. For me, I don't want a man that's crying every day all the time. I wouldn't accept that. >> That's a personal.
02:07:40
Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> Exactly. Right. Yeah. And it's like that's for me that's really rooted on I value masculinity a lot. Not that I really fully believe to like the stereotypical definitions of that, but for example, a long time ago, I went on one date with this guy and then I went
02:07:53
Amelia (Phlebotomist)on another one. And on the second date, he just started breaking down, crying in my arms, like balling about how he misses his mother that lives in Florida. And I was out after that because I don't
02:08:06
Amelia (Phlebotomist)tolerate that because I am more of a strong personality and I don't want the roles in that category to be re reversed for myself. It is a to each their own thing, but I think just biologically, at least I'm stuck to my biological
02:08:19
Ericacomponents that that's what I need. So for some people, it might be different. the woman might be more masculine and that's a whole another conversation. But I I am yeah just >> I think it's sad that we're saying that
02:08:31
Ericalike well some people are saying that it's masculine it's less masculine to cry. That's crazy to me because it's a human. It's like I'm sweating right now and people are like she's sweat you know
02:08:45
Ericalike >> I'm a human being. I have sweat pores. I agree. That's kind of like saying girls don't fart or poop. Exactly. Crazy. I wish I didn't, but I
02:08:55
Ericado because I can't control that. And I feel like saying that a man who cries I mean I understand if it can >> anybody crying too much is annoying like
02:09:05
Brian Atlaseven from a child that you know there's >> anybody else want to weigh in on the women should have three fifths of what? >> I disagree with that. >> My What do you think?
02:09:18
Mahi>> I totally disagree with that. >> Why is that? Why do you disagree? Because it's like women are equal to men. There's no reason why we should have three-fifths of a vote. Like but her reason I guess there's some way I can empa empathize with her. Maybe she's
02:09:29
Mahijust not surrounded by whatever competent women like she's saying. But like I grew up in a very educated area. Most people they were their parents were both worked. Like I see women in a very
02:09:42
Mahilike high light. Like I see that they can they can are capable of doing anything just as much as a man. And like yeah, obviously men are stronger than women, but like mentally women can be as strong as men. Like there's nothing
02:09:52
Brian Atlasabout our like gender that has any difference with that. >> Well, I I have some slight disagreements a little bit there. Um I think on a on
02:10:03
Brian Atlasaverage men and women are equal in intelligence on average. However, there's something called the uh and it's I don't even know if it's a theory anymore. I think it's been proven. There's uh something called the greater
02:10:15
Brian Atlasmale variability myth. Sorry, did I just Freudian slip that myth? Sorry, theory. Greater male variability theory. So on the averages, you actually have more
02:10:24
Brian Atlaswomen uh in terms of where the I average IQ lands. Mary, can you Google greater male variability hypothesis or theory or whatever? We'll show you the thing just
02:10:34
Brian Atlasto demonstrate it. So, but what you have happening though is on average men and women are uh
02:10:44
Brian Atlasabout equal in terms of intelligence. But you have a greater proportion like there are more really really stupid men than there are really really stupid women.
02:10:56
Brian AtlasHowever, coinciding with that, you have more really really intelligent men than you do have really really intelligent women. >> Interesting. on the average. If you average it out, it's the same.
02:11:09
Brian Atlas>> Pull it up. >> Yes, pull it up, please. Um, click on the thing. Click on it. So, the blue would be women and the green would be men. So, what you
02:11:21
Brian Atlasend up having is there's more really stupid people from as men. There's more really smart people as men, but there's more women who have uh, you know, in
02:11:32
Brian Atlasthat center. So this is why for example in certain endeavors where it's not physical at all like chess for example uh you don't see uh women. Now you might
02:11:43
Brian Atlassay well it's women have less of a propensity to want to play chess. They're less interested in it than men. But it wouldn't really explain in a game where there's actually no physical
02:11:54
Brian Atlascomponent to it. It's all mental. Why don't we see any like uh in terms of like grand masters and stuff, women can't really compete with men on chess? >> Why is that?
02:12:07
Brian Atlas>> They can't. >> Now, by the way, I don't agree with her on her little voting thing, but just wanted to at least provide that clarity. I don't know if you disagree with me on that, though. What do you think? >> I mean, how many like women though are like raised to are like encouraged to
02:12:20
Mahiplay chess? Like that's the thing. Like I feel like chess is something that I mean I grew up to play chess but it was never like to >> well doesn't your own anecdote defeat >> well but it was never I was never taught to be that passion just so I can be able
02:12:33
Mahito play it like play pool play chess like and any I can just have those talents but like what woman is pushed and like like to only pursue chess and to like make that like her only goal of life.
02:12:45
Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> I mean my counter would be what women are procluded from exploring chess. It's kind of funny because like I said this is European household I grew up in my brother was taught from a very young age to play chess and I was not invited in
02:12:56
Amelia (Phlebotomist)general like you see in the chess like competitions it's a lot of people from like Eastern Europe men young men it is kind of like a traditional thing actually believe it or not but this is just one very obscure tiny example we're
02:13:08
Brian Atlastalking about chess but I think in general certain hobbies are pushed more on men and certain hobbies are pushed more women >> if it was the case you would you would hope that you would see like it's uh perhaps it is the case that there's well it is the case that there is a higher
02:13:21
Brian Atlasproportion of men who play chess. I don't I wouldn't just default to well women aren't being pushed into it. I would say women have a lacking of interest in those sorts of things in the
02:13:32
Brian Atlassame way that there's no preclusion from women having a interest in women's sports. Explain to me the the great societal conspiracy that prevents women
02:13:43
Brian Atlasfrom caring about women's sports. There's absolutely none. Yet, it is the reality both for men's sports and for women's sports. Women just overwhelmingly seem to not care about viewing sports in general, whether it's
02:13:55
Brian Atlaswomen's sports, whether it's men's sports. So, look, there may be a case that yes, uh maybe they're pushing the boys a little bit more, but you still have some women, you would you would expect to see some women who did get
02:14:07
Brian Atlaspushed at an early age, who have been playing since childhood, who are highly intelligent, who are exceptionally skilled at chess. you would expect to see some of them have the capacity to occasionally beat, you know, some of
02:14:19
Brian Atlasthese top chess players, but they they just don't. They're they're incapable of doing it. Now, look, I'm not saying it's impossible. There could be some some superstar female chess player that comes
02:14:30
Brian Atlasalong again, but this idea that uh just to dismiss, you know, the the physical realm, well, of course, when it comes to sports, men are physically stronger than women. But I do think that uh we do see
02:14:41
Brian Atlassome variability in terms and by the way I mean you're going to have to determine those of you who are upset by the following statement. I mean I'm that's on Wikipedia if you want to look into it the greater male variability thing. You're going to have to determine what's
02:14:54
Brian Atlasactually more sexist. Cuz on one hand I'm saying well there's more men who are way [ __ ] dumber than women but there's also men who are way smarter than women. So
02:15:05
Mahiyou got to kind of am I the sexist against men against women? I don't know. >> But I feel like the most important thing like an average person like the roles of like a doctor, a lawyer like all those average roles like yeah chess but like
02:15:17
Mahihow much does chess really like >> impact society. I feel like day-to-day roles like women and men they are both equally equipped to do what those like if I'm saying like yeah that theory honestly makes sense like yeah there are more stupid men and they're probably a
02:15:32
Mahilot more >> maybe you know >> very >> they're a lot probably like a lot more like geniuses that are a lot that are always more going to be more men but then daytoday like who's like in society and who's like really contributing to
02:15:44
Brian Atlassociety it's men and women have equal roles in that regard. Uh well, so you mentioned doctors, lawyers. I guess I think I overheard maybe previously.
02:15:55
Brian AtlasI think just I'll I'll give you like I guess one charitable position. I think sometimes uh female doctors can have sometimes have a tendency to
02:16:05
Brian Atlashave a better bedside manner, which can be good in a medical setting. um they can sometimes be a bit more open in some
02:16:14
Mahiways, but I don't know if I totally agree with the men and women equally contribute to society. >> Well, more just like we can work the same jobs like in those like just like the average dayto-day job.
02:16:26
Indie>> We can work the same jobs, but we have certain strengths and certain weaknesses. Well, I mean I would say that it depends what we mean by keeping
02:16:36
Brian Atlassociety functioning or running. My position is uh a lot of the jobs that women occupy um they're I mean it
02:16:47
Brian Atlasdepends what we mean by important. In terms of having society function though I'm not actually sure that women participate nearly to the same degree
02:16:56
Brian Atlasthat men do. So for example, telecommunications, water systems, waste collection,
02:17:06
Brian Atlasfirefighting, um you know, physical labor jobs, uh transportation jobs. So how is it that you guys get the ingredients for your boba?
02:17:17
Brian Atlas>> Well, do you think that women are >> So the farmers, the men who transport it, the men who work on oil rigs that women are definitely not have offshore oil rigs. Women have zero interest in doing that. They don't I don't even
02:17:30
Brian Atlasthink they physically can do it. If you actually, you know what, Mary, pull up Mary, go to Discord. Go to uh Men at Work tab. It's under resources. Okay. Men at work. You're
02:17:42
Brian Atlasgoing to play. We're going to look at the most recent three. Um, when it comes to the critical infrastructure jobs, the proportion of men that are in the jobs
02:17:52
Brian Atlasthat actually make society function, uh, it's overwhelmingly men. Anywhere from 80% all the way to 100%. So, >> but it takes a village, right? So, like what about like the nurses when they get
02:18:05
Brian Atlashurt? I'm pretty sure like at least in my industry, it's female dominated. >> Yeah, there there's a preeminent uh predominance of women in healthcare positions. comparing like blue collar jobs. Yeah, that's different. That is like a male
02:18:18
Mahidominated, but then there's also there are like um industries where it's women dominated. Like I feel like it's equal in that regard. And also like I don't know if you >> I feel like like more like it's equal like there's women dominated like
02:18:31
Mahiindustries and then male and like as a society it equals out. I think >> well hold on hold on hold on let me finish a few points here. Uh it doesn't equal out though. So it doesn't equal
02:18:41
Brian Atlasout in the following way. And look, I'm not saying that women's contribute, obviously women are a necessary function of society, but in terms of women's careers and professions, if for example,
02:18:53
Brian Atlaswithout any preparation, we were to snap our fingers and we did a comparative analysis, if all men disappeared versus all women disappeared and the impact that that would, let's put aside like
02:19:03
Brian Atlasthat would obviously suck to lose uh to lose mothers and wives and girlfriends and daughters and friends and etc, etc. that would obviously be terrible, catastrophic, and there wouldn't really be a way to reproduce the species from
02:19:16
Brian Atlasthere. But putting all that aside, in terms of the representation of the various professions that men and women what how's that okay, don't distract me, please. um in terms of the varying pro
02:19:28
Brian Atlasprofessions that men and women are in uh because of men's over representation in critical infrastructure. Uh so what you would have happen if men and women were to just instantly disappear doing a
02:19:40
Brian Atlascomparative comparison of both uh it would obviously suck but uh society would you know there'd be disruption in
02:19:49
Brian Atlascertain fields the medical field uh education field but these aren't typically quite as critical as something like um people who work in
02:20:00
Brian Atlastelecommunications people who manage the electrical grid people who manage uh water people who man uh you know how do you get make sure your water's clean how does it get to your house etc etc >> my boyfriend works in telecommunication
02:20:13
Brian Atlasand there's my boyfriend works in telecommunication with Frontier and there's not a single woman who works with him >> I mean >> and he said he's only with your own eyes when you pass a construction site when you see men who are working out in the
02:20:25
Brian Atlasheat you ever see women >> like every time I pass it like men who are in the the high viz jackets and the hard hats
02:20:35
Brian AtlasI never see women. So my position would be if you were to get rid of all men, you'd basically have complete
02:20:45
Brian Atlascatastrophe cascading failures to the point where women will be basically have to depart on mass all urban centers within a few
02:20:56
Brian Atlasdays. Uh, and then you'll have like within a month I think 50% of women are dead because you just aren't involved. You think the modern city woman is going to survive?
02:21:08
Brian AtlasLike look, some women will survive, but it's going to be complete catastrophe. All women disappear. Again, it's going to suck. That'd be a terrible thing. But in terms of their lack of representation
02:21:19
Brian Atlasin critical infrastructure jobs, uh you're going to have impacts in like the medical field a little bit. But like society as we experience it and enjoy it
02:21:28
Brian Atlasin terms of food supplies, oil supplies, uh electricity, lights, air conditioning, or if you're in a really cold region, heaven forbid this were were to happen in the middle of winter.
02:21:41
Brian AtlasUh yeah, any woman in a cold area is dead within four days, five days maybe. So I think that's what the difference here. Now I don't know if you agree with that. I don't know if you think the
02:21:54
Brian Atlaswomen are going to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be boss babes and figure out how to run uh electrical plants, nuclear plants. They're going to figure out how to figure out the wastewater. They're going to all of a sudden become truckers and be able to
02:22:07
Brian Atlasfigure this out. There's a there's a level of knowledge that uniquely lies in men that women would not have the requisite time to be able to prepare for some sort of uh now look if you prepared
02:22:18
Brian Atlaswomen you you gave women a year to okay all men are disappearing in a year then I think it might be okay but snap your fingers for men yeah I mean
02:22:29
Brian Atlasit's the end of the species but all the comforts of modernity those would be maintained if all women were to disappear all the comforts you guys take for granted would disappear within a
02:22:40
Brian Atlasweek. Your internet is gone within a few days. Electricity gone, gas gone, drinkable water gone, running water gone.
02:22:50
Brian AtlasFirefighters, fires are going to break out eventually within a within 24 to 48 hours. Your fire, you're not going to be able to fight the fires because that's predominantly men. You're going to have to uh evacuate major urban hubs because
02:23:03
Brian Atlasof the [ __ ] rampant uncontrolled fires and your water and electricity is going to be off and there's going to be massive food shortage shortages. Probably some badass women are going to go to Costco and take [ __ ] everything and have some guns and then they and
02:23:16
Brian Atlasthey're going to keep that [ __ ] and then the other women I don't know you're going to have to forage in the [ __ ] concrete jungle of Los Angeles. You're going to be mega [ __ ] I don't know. Anyways, I was rambling there. I don't know if you have any thoughts on any of that.
02:23:28
MahiI feel like but like wouldn't it be harder for a blue collar per like a a person who has a blue collar job to work like in the medical field or like a white collar job rather than someone who's in the white collar or like
02:23:40
Mahimedical field to transition to a blue collar job? >> Would it be harder? >> Yeah. Like wouldn't it be harder for a blue collared person to transition into the medical field or like a white collar job rather than someone who's a white
02:23:52
Mahicollared or like in the medical field to transition to a blue collar job? We still have men that do both white collar. >> We still have men who do both. But if you're I mean like honestly the equivalent of a man who works a blue
02:24:04
Mahicollar job is women who are estheticians or like hair stylists. Like that's just what we're pushed into. But I feel like if you are picking a blue collar job pushed into it, you pick those things. >> No, I think we are. I think gender is a
02:24:16
Kal Pitperformance to some extent. I think like women because they prioritize like group order and social harmony, there's this peer pressure that they have when they're amongst each other to be kind of fake. like say things like, "Oh my god, girl, you look so beautiful and like she's a whale." Like, >> does that have to do with what we were
02:24:30
Kal Pitjust talking about? >> I'm talking about how gender is a performance. Like I'm talking about how women feel peer pressure to say things that they don't really mean. Like that's one aspect of it. Like for example, like how certain hobbies are pushed on to
02:24:41
Kal Pitcertain genders. Like every time a girl gets a birthday gift, it's either like jewelry, fuzzy socks, or lip gloss. But when a guy gets a gift, it's like video games or like a book about science or history. >> But I want jewelry, fuzzy socks, and lip gloss. But there's some girls like me
02:24:54
Melinethat don't want that as well. >> Yeah, there's but but a lot of them do. But >> but how much of that is peer pressure by society? How much of that is peer pressure from society? >> Are we just not allowed to like it? Like if you don't that's on you. But like
02:25:07
Lola Goldlike you said this >> Sorry, really quick. Who wants pizza? >> Oh, thank you. >> We have some pizza. One, two, three, four. >> Anybody else? >> Can you get gluten-free pizza? >> Oh, >> sorry. I have I have celiac disease.
02:25:20
Brian AtlasIt's not like I don't choose. Can you hand out the pizza for the people who raised their hand? Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Can I have you scoot your mic this way? >> Yeah. >> And then straighten your mic, tilt it down. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
02:25:33
Brian AtlasDo you want to finish your point? >> Um, I don't remember my thought, but >> Sorry, my bad. >> No worries. >> I just realized the pizza was getting cold back there, so >> Oh [ __ ] there's no You were asking her like >> Does anybody remember what to like those things?
02:25:44
Meline>> We were talking about performance. She I think she was making the point that well she thinks that women are pressured into certain fields right? >> Yeah. By like each other mostly. >> What do you mean by that? How how do we
02:25:57
Kal Pitpressure each other? You don't seem very pressured cuz like you said you don't like that things and that's okay. But >> yeah I mean I don't feel pressured but I don't I wouldn't say I'm like like I don't represent all women you know like I just feel like when I'm around other
02:26:09
Vicki Sunwomen there's always this like pressure. There's like restraint that we can't say what we really think. Maybe you're just not around like people who like the same things as you. Maybe you just haven't found your >> clarifying question for you. Are you
02:26:20
Juliasaying because women feel like we because we feel like we need to perform because we want jewelry and fuzzy socks or what have you? That tying in with what um Brian was saying um with industry is that because that that's why
02:26:32
Juliawe choose jobs because of our or of what we gender orient ourselves towards. Does my question make sense? Like so we like fuzzy socks. Does that mean we're like choosing a girier job like being like a makeup stylist? >> Yeah, I think so.
02:26:46
Meline>> Okay. >> But I think they did studies on this and I don't remember what country specifically, but it was a country that was heavily pushing women to do traditionally
02:26:56
Melinemasculine jobs. Um, and it actually showed that even when we're pushing for women to do, to be in STEM, to be cops, to do whatever, they actually chose
02:27:07
Melinestill to do what we were already doing, just being teachers, nurses, they still chose overwhelmingly professions that historically women traditionally have done. So even I don't know that.
02:27:20
Meline>> So you think it's a biological component? >> I think we just have different interests. And I think again in countries that have that even when you push women to do certain things >> sometimes we just >> did everyone get a pizza.
02:27:34
Brian Atlas>> Is there four people? >> Oh maybe. >> Thank you. >> Did you guys want it? >> Yeah. A piece. >> Did there's one more, right? Did you want it or who wanted it? You wanted a piece, right?
02:27:46
Meline>> Yeah. But then she also wanted a piece. >> No, there should be one more, right, Mary? >> I think that's extra. Okay. >> She wants piece. >> Um, >> that one's yours, right? Did you want one? >> No more needed. >> I'll take it. >> Wait, we have one, two, three, four.
02:27:58
Brian Atlas>> I thought we won. Oh, so maybe pass that one to her. >> No, that's for her. >> Oh, that's for you. Okay. Yeah. So, one more. Mary, uh, here we have a chat, but we'll continue on with the Thank you. Based Justin.
02:28:09
SPEAKER_00>> Based Justin donated $100. How many of these ladies have run a 240 vol circuit in bent pipe or sweat copper for plumbing or dug trenches or
02:28:20
Brian Atlasengineered anything mechanical or even started a fire >> on purpose? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, uh >> yeah, Justin, thank you for the uh TTS.
02:28:33
Brian AtlasAppreciate it, man. Base Justin W's in the chat for him. Uh by the way, this isn't like to some dunk on women. Like I just think it's the reality. there's a nature and nurture component to it. So I think for a lot of these jobs the
02:28:45
Brian Atlasreality is uh I think there's a nurture component so like a societal thing where uh women are either not pushed or you know but there's also I think in Sweden
02:28:56
Brian Atlasor one of the Scandinavian countries where you have basically the most egalitarian uh viewpoints and the most egalitarian societies you actually see a tendency
02:29:07
Brian Atlasfor women to actually in terms of the job differences women tend to actually go more towards the I guess I don't know if more feminine jobs is the right characterization even in societies that
02:29:19
Brian Atlasare more equal. So as the society gets more equal, you actually you actually see women going more towards the more traditionally feminine careers. Whereas like in a country like India for example, my understanding is you'll
02:29:32
Brian Atlasthat's when you actually end up seeing more women like engineers, you see more women in sort of the fields that were viewed more historically as maledominated.
02:29:42
Kal Pit>> I think culturally in Indian culture, the men tend to like they kind of tend to be like [ __ ] for lack of a better word. They're like mama's boys and so the women tend to be more macho for that reason than their men.
02:29:53
Brian Atlas>> Well, I don't I don't know anything about that. But um ultimately, uh where were we with all of that? Um well, also I just think women just don't have the physical
02:30:06
Brian Atlasthey don't have an interest in a lot of these things and they just don't have the physical strength to do it. They don't have the physical strength to do a lot of these jobs. Well, men are like physically stronger than women.
02:30:19
Indie>> Yeah. Can I have you tilt your mic down and straighten it? >> Um, yeah. I think that men are physically stronger than women. And I think that, yeah, that's a main reason why these jobs are more predominantly,
02:30:32
Indieyou know, done by men and maybe perform better by men. But I do think that there are, you know, to to every I mean to every like stereotype or to every like, you know, that it's a field
02:30:44
Brian Atlaspredominantly run by men, like there are women in it, like you know. >> Well, I guess um the question could go uh h I'm wondering how to phrase this.
02:30:56
Brian Atlas>> May I jump in? >> Hold on. Let me think this here. Let's play the videos really quick, Mary. Let's play those videos and then I can have you jump in the three videos.
02:31:10
Brian Atlas>> Uh just play it. I don't even know if there is sound. But so like look, women don't want to do this. >> They don't want to do it.
02:31:23
Brian Atlas>> Most people >> like it's not just oh the evil there's a conspiracy theory of men who are holding women back from doing these jobs. Even if it was like completely there were or completely everything's uh fair in
02:31:34
Brian Atlassociety, women still just wouldn't want to do these jobs. Uh and look, I think maybe that points to >> it could be a bit of a privilege, but actually, hey, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that [ __ ] That [ __ ]
02:31:46
Brian Atlasis dangerous. So maybe women are smarter. Women are more aware of their own self-preservation. Uh by the way, the you know, we talk about wage gap. We talk about the uh
02:31:56
Brian Atlaswomen are paid less than men as a gap observation. There's a different gap observation called the workplace fatality gap. The workplace injury gap.
02:32:06
Brian AtlasMen are like n 93% or something of workplace fatalities are men. 90 something% of workplace injuries are men. So there's all kinds of gaps. But uh play the next one.
02:32:18
Brian AtlasYeah. Start from the beginning, I guess. Play it. All right. So there these guys are in like I don't know where I think they're
02:32:29
Brian Atlasin a it's going to pan down here in a sec, but they're in like a it looks like a some sort of silo of some sort. I don't know if it's an I don't know anybody in the chat know what that is
02:32:41
Brian Atlasexactly. I don't know. They're in some kind of silo of some kind. Now I'm I I'm not fan of heights, but that's [ __ ] insane. Okay, these guys have uh and look, there's all kinds of
02:32:54
Brian Atlasvideos we could show. Let's just do the next one. >> Yeah, that's fine. Uh this one. So, it's raining on a I believe this is a
02:33:05
Brian Atlasoffshore oil platform, I think. Go ahead. Play it. Wait, wait, wait. Pause it. Audio, please. >> Yeah, give us audio, please. Video tab.
02:33:31
Vicki SunThat's hot. >> All right. >> Women don't want to do that. I don't even think they can physically. >> Maybe like looking at that last video, you see how like the guy's friend was
02:33:43
Vicki Sunlike cheering him on in the back. Maybe like men doing these jobs, it also comes with like a sense of pride and ego that they're able to fulfill these responsibilities. So maybe like like you said women some women most women don't want to do that and that's true but
02:33:55
Brian Atlasmaybe some men do want to do that because it like >> sure >> like I said it helps their ego. So >> well I mean >> yeah sure but I don't think it I guess we were she was talking about she look
02:34:08
Brian Atlasand I don't really agree with her totally on this. She wants women to have three fifths of the vote. that men have. Um, and then we were talking about, I think you were mentioning, Mahi, that that women's, uh, in terms of
02:34:21
Brian Atlasprofession, professional contribution to society is equal to men. I don't think it is. Now, I'm not saying women don't contribute society through
02:34:32
Brian Atlastheir profession, but I mean, can I ask you a question? Um, knowing I mean, maybe you disagree about the representation of men in these fields.
02:34:43
Brian AtlasBut would you I don't know how to frame this. Let's just say we were to instantly and I use this not literally but figuratively. Let's say we just instantly we didn't get rid of any of
02:34:55
Brian Atlasthe people but we got rid of their jobs like and I don't know it was some weird hypothetical. We instantly nuke figuratively all of women's professions
02:35:06
Brian Atlaslike that that all the not women excuse me not women's professions all jobs that women currently have we just nuke them like they just disappear they're gone or
02:35:16
Brian Atlasbut no women disappear the demographics stay the nobody dies or you nuke all men jobs instantly >> in which society would you rather live in? >> You mean male dominated or female
02:35:29
Brian Atlasdominated? You're not getting rid of the entire job. Just whatever job all women in the world currently have. Those jobs are just and you can't replace them. Just instantly gone. >> Like no more nurses.
02:35:40
Mahi>> No, I think both of them will eventually die out. Like maybe the one where you nuke the women's jobs >> because women hold most of the nurses teach like nurses like if you go to hospital then men they're just dying like it's done for them. But then yeah
02:35:53
Mahiwomen like the blue collar jobs men work them maybe will die more fast. But that woman men will eventually also die. Like there's no society that's a little bit better. >> I think that >> why can't a man be a nurse? >> Well, I think in this >> they can't. I'm not saying they can't.
02:36:06
Brian AtlasThey men and women can be whatever they want, but there are women. Yeah, there are women that's a woman dominated. >> Well, I think in this hypothetical I think in this hypothetical we would have to grant that you can't replace with the
02:36:17
Brian Atlasother gender like these jobs are just gone. So there are some male nurses, they remain, >> but yes, you can't refill the female jobs with men. >> But also there are some women like blue
02:36:30
Mahicollar workers. >> But I'm just saying like each society is like doomed. I would rather I would do neither because each of them are doomed. >> If you had to pick one though, >> the man society would last longer because a lot of women
02:36:41
Amelia (Phlebotomist)>> No, you don't kill you don't own the life yourself. A lot of women's jobs exist solely to serve other women like eyelash extensions, facials, hair. I believe that the men's world where all
02:36:53
Amelia (Phlebotomist)the women got evaporated, they would last a lot longer because there are still male nurses. I know because I see them, but not as many as women. But I think that the overall
02:37:05
Amelia (Phlebotomist)arch of like what men are capable of doing like they can cover a day-to-day woman's job much easier than a man than a woman can go working on the oil rig which doesn't even exist any ways.
02:37:16
Brian Atlas>> Well, so like it seems like this just boils down to uh to Mahi to your point. Let's say we just actually the entire
02:37:24
Brian Atlashealthc care field was completely uh figuratively nuked. >> Wow. So even men, there are no men in the healthcare field either. Uh this
02:37:35
Brian Atlaswould obviously be really bad. People would die, really catastrophic. Uh but ultimately I don't actually think that there would be
02:37:45
Brian Atlasa great deal of disruption actually to society as compared to if it's like okay well
02:37:55
Brian Atlaslet's just go ahead and nuke uh you know the people that work in uh you know those who oversee the electrical grid, telecommunications, oil refinery, transportation, farming, all these
02:38:07
Brian Atlasthings like yeah it would obviously a lot of people would die. People wouldn't be able to get medical intervention. A lot of people would die. Even people who are in those critical fields who have cancer, who have ongoing medical needs.
02:38:18
Brian AtlasUh yeah, that's going to have an impact. But I think society as we enjoy it, running water, electricity, plumbing, cell phone, internet, those things
02:38:29
Mahipersist. So like it would be cat, it would be very bad. I wouldn't say catastrophic. It would be very bad. But >> but then I feel like a lot of blueco collared people would not want to go to work because if you just know there's no
02:38:41
Mahihealthare system like oh if I get hurt there I can't be treated a lot of people wouldn't want to put themselves at risk. >> Yeah. >> Well I mean people have been doing physical labor jobs throughout all human history and there was not good health
02:38:54
Brian Atlascare like 300 years ago. >> I don't think like okay I'm just going to get some leeches put on me. Okay. >> But I I don't I feel like if there was like obviously maybe it it wouldn't immediately society wouldn't immediately
02:39:06
Mahibe gone but it would slowly like people wouldn't want to take as many risks like people wouldn't want to put themselves in danger like even yeah every there's always been dangerous jobs but you always kind of knew like oh I can get help >> maybe in a way but now if that whole
02:39:18
Brian Atlasthing is gone people wouldn't want to put themselves in danger for nothing >> maybe I I think men I mean obviously the economy chugs along so people still are going to go to work there still need to
02:39:29
Brian Atlasmake money they still to buy food, have housing. So, um, it would be bad. It would definitely be bad. A lot of people would die, but I I don't see a total societal collapse is what I'm getting
02:39:40
Brian Atlasat. Whereas, if you start chipping away at the jobs in which men disproportionately have, I've already mentioned them. You know, telecoms,
02:39:51
Brian Atlasthose who oversee electrical grid, water systems, uh, trucking, farming, etc. Um, you do see societ uh you do see societal
02:40:01
Brian Atlascollapse if we nuke figuratively speaking uh male dominated jobs but not female dominated jobs. >> I disagree. >> You you disagree? I
02:40:12
Erica>> I feel like if all the men disappeared Yeah. >> things would be horrible. >> Mhm. >> For sure. But I mean things haven't always been the way they are now.
02:40:23
Ericasociety has existed before all of these jobs. So things will get figured out eventually. >> Well, here's I I guess my
02:40:33
Brian Atlas>> So some women will be able to adapt, but I think uh I think all the women sitting at this table, most of you have probably lived comfortable suburban or urban
02:40:44
Brian Atlaslives. Most of you probably have never foraged for food in the for most of you are not survivalists. So I would say like yes historically we didn't have a lot of the comforts that we have now. We didn't have electricity. We didn't have
02:40:57
Brian Atlasrunning water. We didn't have agriculture. We didn't have farming. We didn't have all these things. Um but people were adapted to it hundreds or thousands of years ago. They knew how to
02:41:08
Brian Atlaslive under those confines then. But it's like you have so many and by the way men also have lived very comfortable lives too. I'm not saying like, okay, if all if this happened in a scenario where men
02:41:20
Brian Atlasand women were affected, uh, a lot of men are not survivalists. A lot of men don't know how to start a fire. I think men might fare a little bit better because of their physical advantage. Jesus Christ. Wait, catch it,
02:41:33
Lola Gold>> bro. You're Are you drunk? What the [ __ ] >> Absolutely not. Can you fix it, please? Can you put me in the chair that everybody has spared? >> No, it's Mary. Mary, you did it. I broke your set. >> Mhm.
02:41:45
Brian Atlas>> Can you just scoot behind her so she can fix it? Mary, just fix that, please. >> Sorry, guys. One sec here. Well, >> that was absolutely normal. >> It's not your fault. It's a tight
02:41:57
SPEAKER_00situation. >> It's okay. Um, hold on. Let me let some chats come through. Sorry for the >> What the hell? >> Mary audio. >> Josh donated $100. Can we go around the table and answer
02:42:09
SPEAKER_00when you die? What do you want to be remembered for and by who? Most of us are forgotten by everyone except our families in death. So, what's important to you?
02:42:19
Brian Atlas>> Uh, we'll do that in just a moment. Josh, thanks for your message. Hold on. >> Yo, Josh, appreciate that. Thank you. I'm going to let this one come through from Justin, then we're going to answer
02:42:29
SPEAKER_00that one. Okay, Josh. I hope I didn't trigger it twice. We're about to see >> based Justin donated $100. All women's jobs are gone. Men then get paid more
02:42:41
SPEAKER_00and we can now return to establishing families and raising children on a single income. Imagine that. >> Can you pass it down that way?
02:42:49
Erica>> I was I was thinking that same thing like, okay, I work in child care and if you and it's predominantly female. If it disappeared, then more women would just
02:43:01
SPEAKER_00be at home with their kids, which is not a bad thing. Based Justin donated $100. >> All women's jobs are gone. Men then get paid more. And we can now return to
02:43:13
Brian Atlasother families and raising children on a single income. Imagine. >> Uh going around the table, >> when you die, what do you want to be remembered for and by who? Quick answer, please.
02:43:24
Indie>> Okay. I want to be remembered by the people that I love as someone who is um who feels free to be creative and express myself um no matter what that
02:43:35
Indiemeans, you know, and to be someone that's loving and caring and accepting. >> All right, quick answers, please. >> Well, can you come back to me? >> Yeah. >> I want to be remembered for taking care
02:43:48
Lola Goldof other people and living like Jesus did. I want to be remembered for being fun and a good friend and taking care of animals. >> Okay.
02:44:01
Julia>> Um I want to contribute to psychology and have like an everlasting >> I want to be remembered for like just someone who tried. I want to
02:44:12
Juliabe someone who tried and um someone who was kind. I want to be remembered for being a loving person. >> Okay.
02:44:23
Meline>> You you you you were skipping. Go ahead. >> Uh I want to be remembered by my kids for being a loving mom. >> What about you? >> Uh the legacy I passed down specifically the values I passed down to my children and the faith in God. >> All right. Thank you for that. Uh
02:44:36
Brian AtlasBrendan Gilman, the girl that hasn't said much. Number nine, black dress is cute as anything. >> That shoe, babe, you just put your hoodie on. >> Yeah. Uh, you on the right side of the stream have opinions with no
02:44:47
Brian Atlasjustification. Men have force bricks and based. Okay. Um, thank you Brandon for your super chat. Appreciate it, man. Uh, I am
02:44:58
Brian Atlastrying to remember where we were on all of that stuff. Um, >> jobs disappearing. Oh, yeah. >> Jobs disappearing. Yeah. Uh,
02:45:12
Ericayou said you were saying something on that. I'm trying to remember. >> You you talked about it. I said, you know, things haven't always been this way. >> Oh, right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, it would be
02:45:22
Ericaobviously a terrible thing to happen, but uh look, it is what it is. >> I'm so tired of the whole men versus women thing. It's so old. It's like
02:45:35
Erica>> we're we need to work together. That's like the bottom line. I think the algorithm pushes it a little bit. >> You should tell that to the feminists. They need to get over it. >> Huh? >> They need to get over it.
02:45:45
Brian Atlas>> Well, I I would say this. I would say this. So when you start viewing things and forwarding to society and then infiltrating academia and then
02:45:56
Brian Atlasforwarding it upon institutions and governments and media and journalism and the news and uh corporations when look it is true that throughout
02:46:08
Brian Atlashistory women have had specifically gendered grievances. What feminists have done is said women have had specifically gendered
02:46:19
Brian Atlasgrievances and some of those are valid, some of those are true, but they have done a sort of what's the best framing for this?
02:46:29
Brian AtlasThey've completely forsaken or done any investigation as to compared to what and the comparison would be was just we're only considering
02:46:41
Brian Atlasand analyzing the ways in which women have been disadvantaged without a sort of comparative lens of at what price and as compared to who compared to men. And
02:46:52
Brian Atlasthey wanted to I mean feminism is basically women oppressed men oppressors men are to men are to be blamed uh in a
02:47:00
Brian Atlassort of Marxist way. It's basically cla class division between men and women where uh women are the oppressed group,
02:47:11
Brian Atlasmen are the oppressor group. And when you view view things through this lens um it's actually really damaging. But
02:47:20
Brian Atlaswhat ends up happening is if women or rather I should say feminists do an analysis of society and say how is this
02:47:30
Brian Atlasimpacting women? Well, that invites men or I guess you could say men's rights activists to look through society through the exact same
02:47:40
Brian Atlaslens that women use, but to analyze the ways in which men are disadvantaged, which is something that feminists completely uh >> ignore,
02:47:50
Brian Atlas>> disregard or don't acknowledge or downplay. And so, but feminists really don't like that. Feminists really do not like when
02:48:01
Brian Atlasmen say, "Ah, actually, uh, maybe it's not the case that men throughout all of human history have had it really easy and really great and life's been easy for men and women have
02:48:14
Brian Atlashad it so hard." I mean, that's basically the feminist construct. And that's that's a framework feminism started. Men were not like viewing
02:48:24
Brian Atlassociety through this lens ever. feminists came and said, "Women have all these grievances XYZ." Some of which were true, some of which exaggerated, some of which fabricated.
02:48:36
Brian AtlasAnd so a lot of these things going on, which by the way, if we're doing a comparison of like you might even say my podcast is
02:48:46
Brian Atlasforwarding some male ccentric viewpoints, uh any any men who are using this framework, the same framework feminists do, which is
02:48:57
Brian Atlasin group gendered disadvantage in society, you have uh what's the best way to put
02:49:08
Brian AtlasI would say we don't have nearly the same amount of widespread uh societal acceptance or institutional acceptance that does feminism have. Uh
02:49:20
Brian Atlasso I mean the gender war you have feminists to blame and then men are doing a reactionary thing of basically
02:49:27
Brian Atlaslike uh yeah feminists have let's say been greedy in overstepping and the the great uh overreaches is perhaps the best
02:49:40
Brian Atlasway I would put it. the great over overreaches of feminism. Uh, men are men combating it is a reaction to the
02:49:50
Melinefeminist overreach. >> I think whether or not it's a reaction, I it's annoying when men do it. It's annoying when women do it. I think it's just victim mindset. It's not productive. Like, it's like we're
02:50:02
Melinekeeping tally at this point. And >> well, it's >> Oh, sorry. Continue. >> Yeah. And I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that yeah, there are certain ideologies that are pushed
02:50:13
Melineheavily in mainstream media as well as um educational institutions. Um but it's like it's just been so tiring lately. I feel like it's this back and forth of well as a woman I can't do this and
02:50:25
Melinewe're not represented in this field as much and then the men respond by saying well you also don't have to go to war and and there's a lot of truth to that but it's like it's just so exhausting to hear. It's exhausting. And femin
02:50:38
Ericafeminism has changed. It went from women should have a choice, which women should have a choice, to now I feel like it was like, oh, you should have a choice. You could you should be able to stay at home if you want to, to now women are being
02:50:49
Ericashamed for wanting to stay at home. And feminism is more like, no, you should go out and do everything a man is doing. And it's just like there's no there's so much focus on gender and not enough on
02:51:00
Mahithe individual. It's just so, like you said, annoying. you guys. >> You wanted to go. Good. >> Yeah. I just want to me like the way I say I'm a feminist. To me, it's just I feel like women should have the choice
02:51:11
Mahito do what they want. If you want to stay at home and take care of kids or if that's what you want to do, then you should do that. If you want to go and be a doctor or surgeon, you should be able to do that. Like for me, it's like women
02:51:23
Mahishould have the choice to do what they want. Like they the same as men. Like men can choose whatever they wanted. Like there was no And the thing is I would say like men >> Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I just say men have yeah they do have like they're
02:51:36
Mahithey've been they have been through a lot and like but the one thing about them is that they could have always they they had the option to do whatever career they wanted to and I just feel like women should have that as well. >> Well
02:51:48
Brian AtlasI I have some gripes with that. I there's a couple different gripes. Um so you said men always had the choice. Women didn't have the choice but so women would have by the way this idea that women were like full-blown barred
02:51:59
Brian Atlasfrom being in professions. Well, no, they could 400. Women were definitely had jobs. Women worked. Women were able to make money. >> Um, now there were some differences here
02:52:11
Brian Atlasand there and there were societal components, but so women had the if we want to talk about choice, um, women didn't have to work.
02:52:21
Brian AtlasNow, me men never had that choice throughout history. And I'd argue men with very rare even in 2026 men can't
02:52:31
Brian Atlasrealistically dating podcast men can't realistically go out there in the dating market and be like I want to be a stay-at-home husband. That [ __ ] will not fly with even liberal women. Liberal
02:52:43
Brian Atlaswomen who might have good career ambitions. their standard even though they are feminists and believe in 50 equality blah blah blah they will never be in a position by the way when I say never yes there are some women who are
02:52:56
Brian Atlasokay you want to be the house husband and take care of the kids and I'm going to go out to work there are some very very few women who are okay with that most women even liberal progressive women their standards going to be I want
02:53:07
Brian Atlasa guy who makes as much money as me uh or more he has to earn as much as me or more so there is never really a choice for men to want to actually step back
02:53:18
Brian Atlasand be more taken care of the household. That's a choice women have. Now, in terms of uh careers, I think you also you have to have a really strong
02:53:28
Brian Atlasunderstanding of what the world looked like 100, 200, 300 years ago. 300 years ago, women's lack of representation in the workplace, you have to remember 300
02:53:40
Brian Atlasyears ago, there wasn't air conditioning. There wasn't like uh lunch breaks and HR and there wasn't >> pregnancy leave. >> There there wasn't like, oh, we're gonna
02:53:50
Brian Atlaslive in a I'm gonna go to work at my corporate job for for some tech company and have all these benefits and they give me free food and there's cupcakes
02:54:01
Brian Atlasand uh they do there's entertainment at the work and there's like a there's a meditation studio. No.
02:54:10
Brian Atlas100, 200 years ago, life was pretty difficult. Life was really hard. I don't even think most people if we got men included to be fair, if we got
02:54:22
Brian Atlastransported back 300 years ago and we had to like live and survive, we'd be most modern humans would be probably incapable of doing it, but also
02:54:33
Brian Atlasjust like, whoa, this sucks. I can't doom scroll on TikTok. I just got to sit here in my [ __ ] cabin for what the [ __ ] am I supposed to do? Like so there I mean that's an entertainment component
02:54:45
Brian Atlasbut so women in terms of oh it was so unfair. Uh women themselves either didn't have the physical capacity to do the jobs that were available 10020 years
02:54:57
Brian Atlasago. You go 200 years back you think there was HR ladies. You think that there was project managers in some uh swanky airond conditioned office job for
02:55:07
Brian Atlassome tech company? No, that [ __ ] did not exist 100 years ago, 200 years ago. Uh as a man, you go into the coal mines maybe. Sorry, maybe 200 years ago.
02:55:17
Brian AtlasThat's a bit too far back. But uh this idea of like lacking of access to the workplace, the workplace was physical.
02:55:27
Brian AtlasIt was labor. There wasn't coding. there wasn't these jobs that required more brain than brawn. So it's like I think
02:55:38
Brian Atlasactually if we go back to say like 1930s 1940s I mean there was coal mining before then and women started getting a bit more involved in in the workplace but let's
02:55:49
Brian Atlasgo back to the 1910s 1920s coal mines. You could be the wife and stay home in the comfort of your house, take care of the kids, or you can go into the coal mines and your lungs completely
02:56:01
Brian Atlasgigafucked by the time you're 40. And then you're dying of like brutal, literally gasping for air for the last 5 years of your life. You can't even [ __ ] breathe. You've got black lung.
02:56:12
Brian AtlasI think women, it wasn't evil men preventing women from the workplace. It was benevolent, sacrificial men willing
02:56:22
Brian Atlasto do the dangerous, difficult labor jobs and insulating women and protecting women. And I guarantee you if you women had the choice and you we transported you back a hundred years ago and the
02:56:34
Brian Atlaschoice was stay at home, take care of the house, raise the kids, or go in the coal mine. And there wasn't there wasn't uh what's the or the organization that um OSHA