Feminist WANTS Traditional Man?! SHAMES "Cheap" Men Who DO NOT Pay For Dates?! | Dating Talk #190

Date: 2024-08-26

Duration: 7h 16m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_02Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_12Stacy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ava(guest)

Key Moments

OtherPearl Bots sings "At Last" live on the show; studied opera (coloratura soprano).

“Brian asks Pearl to sing. She performs "At Last" (Etta James). Brian then requests Queen of the Night (Magic Flute). Pearl declines without extra compensation.”

OtherPearl's viral TikTok demonstrated live: "I use this hack to shame cheap men who split the bill."

“Brian pulls up NY Post article covering Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views). Pearl performs the bit: when man wants to split, she says "Oh I didn't know this was a friend date." Pearl clarifies she didn't intend it as an actionable hack, just content.”

ControversyBrian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership: wants man to lead on dates but rejects leadership when inconvenient.

“Brian points out Pearl appreciates a man who initiates, plans, and pays for dates, but resists deferring on the bikini-at-party issue. "You only want a leader when it benefits you." Pearl responds with a yin-yang model of leadership in relationships.”

ControversyExtended role-play debate: Pearl demands Brian explain WHY he doesn't want her at the party.

“Brian role-plays as Pearl's boyfriend saying "no" to her attending a party. Pearl keeps asking for more explanation. Brian argues "no" is a sufficient sentence from a leader. Pearl argues good leadership communicates reasoning. Brian accuses her of only wanting leadership when it benefits her.”

OtherPearl refuses to give a numeric self-rating, arguing women should think of themselves as tens.

“Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10. Pearl refuses to give a number, arguing women should operate with a "10 mindset" for confidence. Extended debate with Brian and Jordan about whether this is healthy vs delusional.”

OtherPearl announces she is a feminist; Brian and Payton push back given her preference for men to pay.

“Pearl calls herself a feminist (soft/equity definition). Payton says she is anti-feminist. Brian says Pearl's feminism is inconsistent with wanting men to pay for dates. "Just be a feminist you're a focus" — Brian says she can't have it both ways.”

OtherBody count round: Pearl 7, Jordan 7, Sarah 3; others decline.

“Viewer TTS prompts body count discussion. Jordan body count: 7 (from TTS readback). Pearl: 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy, Liz, Ava, and Madison decline to answer.”

OtherBrian reads live a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor; Madison helped write it.

“Brian recounts texting an ex about personal hygiene (vaginal odor). He reads the text verbatim. Madison helped craft it. Woman he texted broke off contact after receiving the message.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show with standard announcements. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pearl sings "At Last" (Etta James) at Brian's request; also studied opera. Jordan, Payton, Stacy, Liz, Sarah, Madison, Ava each introduce themselves.

Relationship status round

Pearl: dating exclusively ~2 months (not official). Jordan: married 6 years. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years (Catholic; returning guest, discussed before). Stacy: married 21.5 years. Liz: newly single ~3 weeks (broke up with Navy man stationed in Japan after visiting). Sarah: single; has 2 sons from an on-off relationship. Madison: in ~2-year relationship. Ava: in 5-year relationship.

Bikini/party debate: should girlfriends go to parties in bikinis?

Discussion triggered by viewer donation about girlfriend going to pool party in bikini against his wishes. Brian argues commitment-minded men reasonably limit girlfriends' attendance at singles-oriented social events. Pearl pushes back on "no" without explanation being sufficient leadership communication. Jordan and Stacy agree women should defer to partner's preferences. Role play between Brian and Pearl on the communication of a "no" in a relationship. Debate on whether women's indirect flirting (posting, going out) is analogous to men approaching.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Viewer "Stiffler" requests self-ratings. Pearl: refuses numeric, says she considers herself a 10 philosophically. Payton: delusional 10, realistic 5. Stacy: no numeric (all women are 10s framing via Sarah). Viewer TTS: Jordan body count [?], Pearl body count 7. Debate on whether women should think of themselves as 10s for confidence vs delusion.

Aging and female attractiveness

Are guests better looking now than 10 years ago? Will they be better looking in 10 years? Pearl (32): thinks she'll still be a 10 at 52. Jordan (26): thinks she looks better now. Stacy (47): confirmed better looking in youth. Brian argues biology causes female attractiveness to peak and decline.

Age gap relationships

Discussion of what constitutes an age gap (5+ years per consensus). Payton mentions older men who date younger women may be seeking someone to fund their college. Brian distinguishes comfort/guidance attraction from exploitation.

Pearl's viral TikTok: shaming men who want to split the bill

Brian pulls up NY Post article about Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views): "I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill." Pearl demonstrates the TikTok bit: "Oh I didn't know you wanted to just be friends." Discussion of who should pay on a first date. All panelists: man should pay if he asked her out. Pearl: expects first date to be paid for, does not recommend the hack per se. Brian asks Pearl to reconcile feminist self-identification with wanting men to pay.

Women in the military / draft debate

Should women be drafted? Payton: yes (equality argument), but anti-feminist overall. Sarah: yes, drafted equally. Jordan: believes women have important role at home (especially mothers). Stacy: nuanced — both parents shouldn't be drafted from same family. Brian: supports drafting women as equality issue.

Makeup: deception or self-care?

Is wearing makeup deceptive to men? Brian argues full-face makeup is more deceptive than minimal makeup. Push-up bras mentioned similarly. Jordan: there's a difference between natural and full-beat glam. Some guests willing to remove makeup on camera; Brian says he already rated them with it on.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather be alone with a random man or a random bear in the forest? Most guests choose bear, citing the viral TikTok. Liz says she'd pick bear but acknowledges she was influenced by the video. Ava (podcast staff) chooses man. Brian and panel discuss what percentage of men would actually harm a woman.

Feminist identity debate: Pearl vs panel

Brian challenges Pearl on calling herself a feminist while wanting men to pay for dates. Pearl clarifies she is a soft/equity feminist, not an equality-of-outcome feminist. Payton declares herself anti-feminist (does not believe in modern feminism). Brian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership benefits without accepting leadership constraints.

Body count discussion

Does body count matter? Jordan: body count 7 (stated via TTS readback). Pearl: body count 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy and Ava: no comment. Madison declined to answer. Majority of panel said body count matters in some degree.

Telling a partner uncomfortable truths

Brian shares a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor — reads it live. Madison helped him write it. Panel discusses how to tell a friend or partner uncomfortable truths about weight, hygiene, etc. Payton: would tell a friend directly if they were gaining too much weight. WW1 trivia round closes the show.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasPearl this is dedicated to Pearl boom huge bow did you see that Pearl did you like that into the mic Pearl tell us what you

Pearlthink Pearl tell us what you think Pearl Pearl Pearl about the bow it seems more cultural I'm a white guy oh so you want to be with that's

Brian Atlasjust how you say hello when you're Asian you're like you greet someone with a bow yeah but like I I would expect this from a white girl you know what I mean oh okay I me do whatever you want I mean

Brian Atlasher eyes are a little crazy but I can get I can I dig it show this bow one more time she should definitely be with an Asian woman then boom no white girl can bow to so this is

Pearlwhat I want in a relationship Pearl do you you give me your blessing Pearl you give me the bless the bow blessing I mean I'm not I wouldn't bow

Pearlto someone if it wasn't cultural but I mean I'm Asian so yeah like when I greet my grandparents I do that would I do it to you no to your man if you were dating

Pearla white guy and he wanted me to B not just any white guy a wasp no I wouldn't do that white Anglo-Saxon Protestant that's really really weird

Brian Atlasvery specific from Martha's Vineyard no I wouldn't a white guy who grew up in Martha's Vineyard would you give him a bow Martha excuse me no I

Brian Atlaswouldn't you wouldn't even if he was your dream man he wouldn't be my dream man even if he was your dream man he's not my dream man he's your dream man no he's not I just said he is deal with I

Brian Atlasjust said he's not I just said he's your dream man deal with it Pearl he's not but he is but he wants you to Bow then no so he's not your dream man just because he wants you to Bow and

Paytoneverything that implies yes what about your man now that you have if he wanted you to Bow you want a guy G ask me to Bow you want to get married yes you want to have kids yes you want a guy to proposed to you

Pearlyeah you want a guy to buy you a ring yes how much should he spend on the ring I don't know you'd be fine if he SP paid 10 bucks on the wedding ring I wouldn't be fine with 10 bucks but I don't know

Pearlhow much I would want him to spend 25 more than the 100 more than the Thousand what is the point of this why matter answer the question literally I think

Pearlthat he can spend what he thinks he can spend the amount of money that he wants to spend on a wedding ring because it also reflects him so whatever he

Pearlthinks I want to be with someone financially responsible I want to be someone who's also generous so the person who is both of those things can spend however much money they want to

Brian Atlasspend on it and you would want a guy to get down on one knee to propose to you um I mean I think that's yeah probably traditional yeah it's like tradition

Pearltraditional so you want a guy to kneel look up at you kneel but you won't B for Batman those two things are not related at all totally related just because you say something doesn't make

Brian Atlasit true but they are very similar everything I say makes a TR you know what that checks out with your whole like psyche and the whole podcast and everything wait isn't that your position I think I'm a 10 therefore

SPEAKER_00I am um no that is not my position that is your position I'm a I think I'm a 10 I'm donated $69 hey pear you look bored remember when you said you were a 10 I do

SPEAKER_00remember earlier I rated you a five and then down to a two all you see is dollar signs and your dulu dissonance take a b b w boohoo W you're the one who's

Brian Atlasspending money to talk to me do you want to hit a hit a bow though do you want to do a bow right now that would be a really good way we're not going to end the show but to end the

Pearlshow definitely never going to do that you wouldn't do Bow no unless my grandparents were here I would do a bow for them okay could I ask a question to Pearl can I adopt

Pearlyou so that I could be like a parent figure are you going to financially support me with this adoption you're grown I could still adopt you then no okay that was weird that was weird that

Paytonon my part honestly that was been weird definitely I'm self-aware go ahead I was just going to ask you know how you keep saying about how people are donating to him uh-huh like do people pay for your

Paytonmusic yeah and they feel entertained and they pay for the music cuz they want to because they're entertained by it right I feel like that's the same thing as people donating to Brian no I mean this is I mean I totally get the business

Pearlmodel I totally get why it's profitable profitable and I respect it even though I don't think it's doing like that much good in the world like Legacy wise like you could do whatever you want what however that shots fire yeah yeah definitely

Pearlum but I think that wait what are you doing huh what are you doing what do you mean what am I doing you you said this is not doing I personally just wouldn't do this kind of work like the work that you're doing like creating more of a

Brian Atlasgender divide between men and women well I personally wouldn't be a 32-year-old pursuing a music career but I mean okay well that's the two that's that's why we're different yeah so how's that going by the way oh I think it's just like uh

Pearlthe insult like that part of it that I'm like you're literally paying money to insult someone not not to contribute to the the business that's totally I get that yeah but to tell someone I rated you as a five and now you're down it's

Brian Atlaslike who wait hold on you are contributing to the gender divide you make Tik toks directed towards women go oh Queen you should if a guy doesn't want to pay for the first date then oh

Pearldidn't know that uh you just wanted to be friends that you're doing the same thing I didn't know that it was going to be this like crazy thing that created this gender divide I could have easily capitalized on that and created more and

Pearlmore Tik toks into the same vein but I was like that's actually not within my value system to continue doing that I didn't know that it was going to be this big thing and I decided to not go down that lane actually because I don't want

Pearlto be a part of this you're still doing relationship Tik toks yeah but it's not on purpose to be controversial for profit I don't know Tik Tok to well but can you take a video down huh yeah you can take a video down well if you disagree with it after the fact now why

Paytondon't you take it down I don't disagree with it but people are are getting in like conversations in it for sure and also a little bit on your point there's been news articles that have posted her video so even if she did delete it

Pearlthere's still these articles out there that but they're only going to last so long and I've also like created follow-up videos and stuff and I If people really want to get into a deep dive of what I actually think they'll know but no one really does they just

Paytonsee the initial video and that's not really my I'm not going to police what people do on my that's what Tik Tok is too anyways it's just people having same mindset and even if they watch a video it's not going to change their mindset even if they agree or disagree with it

Pearlyeah but I'm not going to capitalize on it just for like profit you know what I'm saying is my perspective but have you made money off Tik Tok if you don't mind me asking yes I have

Paytonokay so wait what she said she doesn't profit off of the ideas or the things that she's posted but she has made money off of Tik Tok no I'm not going to continue to create like things that I

Pearldon't actually believe in or that I feel like contribute to the gender divide oh okay yeah do you think that video contributed to the gend huh do you think that that video contributed to the

Brian Atlasgender divice I I am the number one contributor to the gender the genders coming together and liking each other more that's why he thinks we should all

Brian Atlasbe drafted and I believe in equality you're funny I I have testimonials from people who watch the show I my relationship with my girlfriend has gotten way

SPEAKER_00[Music] GMD Jim donated $69 hey dulu kneeling during a proposal is not an Asian tradition it is a medieval European tradition don't

Brian Atlasappropriate European culture thank you Jim appreciate it oh wait there's something from Jim we had to go back to oh I was going to replay this one

SPEAKER_00sorry good good this is GMD Jim donated $69 brixon every week I say you can't find one more dulu than the last and

SPEAKER_00then you find Pearl you never cease to amaze hey good to see you on the podcast again cool do you have a response oh no it just makes me happy

Pearlthat people on the show don't like me they like you Pearl no they don't Pearl no I like that that they dislike you yes I like when people who I misalign with dislike me do you think I dislike you uh

Brian AtlasI don't know I think we disagree I don't know if you dis like me or not I don't I don't tend to dislike even if I disagree with people on pen I very rarely dislike people unless they're being like rude orious yeah I think disagree is very

Paytondifferent from dislike yeah I no matter what the comments that they say they you you never know if they they don't know you so they don't actually dislike you I think they just disagree and they want to comment about it I'm just saying wait

Lizspeaking of like rude and disliking you had like this crazy person on your podcast like a week or two ago desire okay what happened I like the Rosetta

SPEAKER_00Stone donated $69 plane crashes in a swamp and everyone on Plain dies accept you rather run across random man or alligator in

SPEAKER_00the swamp btws still have PTSD from seeing X without makeup red dress thumbs up you should see a therapist about the

Brian AtlasPTSD man I'm sorry I had to do about 6 months after my girlfriend took a makeup WI to her

Brian Atlasface we don't talk about that um yikes Desmond gets my

Brian Atlashumor uh wait so look what I uh wait what oh no oh alligator nobody said anything nobody said anything at all

Jordanwould you rather come across a random man he heard my thought yeah yeah you heard my thought or alligator in the swamp random man a random man he heard my thought random man or alligator in

Jordanthe swamp huh sorry what was I'm so Sor random man or alligator in the swamp oh random man man man I want to say man but I also want to

Lizsay alligator what are you going to fight it what okay the only reason is because I saw a Tik Tok of like this guy asking like a bunch of dads if they would rather their daughter run into an

Lizalligator or a bear or a man and they all said bear that's cuz and I was like okay well their dad challenged and they're like thinking of like the safety of their daughter right first initially so I'm like okay there has to be a reason for

Lizthat cuz in my opinion guys like think ahead for those kind of decisions but what would your dad say probably probably alligator depending my

Lizdad would definitely say man I don't know I don't know I I'm only saying that because of that video because it was like literally a handful dad so Sarah alligator or men hands down alligator cuz food wait what oh are you going to kill

Sarahit and eat it you're going to eat the alligator well you just crashed on a plane and there's and everybody else passed away she is addressing that's true that is true you need food could

Sarahyou cannibal no oh so I I just but they all passed away that's what I'm saying that's a weird question that made no

SPEAKER_00sense okay how about this walking Rosco onore YouTube to ated

SPEAKER_00$77.77 lady in red dancing with me cheek to cheek you have an infectious laugh Fanning your face with your hand makes

SPEAKER_00you to a seven in my eyes check the bowling clip on you to see if I make you smile stop it get some

Lizhelp walking Rosco this isn't this is a simp free zone this is a

Lizsimp right now this is so good she's getting like just imagine you actually create a couple through this podcast well you know what's funny Liz a lot I

Brian Atlasdon't reveal it because some people I respect their privacy but a lot of girls who've come on the show and we've had some guys come on the show met people through the show really

Brian Atlaslike there's a guy who's been on the show who's now dating a girl who's been on this show I think I know you're talking about because don't say it don't say I'm not I'm not do you I want to know we'll talk

Brian Atlasafter okay we can talk after but a lot of and a lot of girls will be like in relationships and they'll be like yeah some guy dm' me who watched who saw me on the show now I'm dating them I know

Paytonyou said no simps but I just wanted to say thank you for the sweet comment it's beautiful it was beautiful thank you appreciate it you have a crush on me

Brian Atlasthanks good time oh what I want really quick also look I just want to bring I just want a girl who oh boy can be a slave that that I

SPEAKER_00can just bring to Hawaii I just want to pay for a trip tow can't a guy do that if that made you happy you're going to be fuing ecstatic then PE selling your demo tape alone in your 30s is only

SPEAKER_00going to bring you sadness so hopefully this Balan the scales happy to help thank you Josh K thank you Josh K thank you bro appreciate it there you go look you're getting some love from Pearl

Stacythere whoa she does the other kind of heart only only Gen X or whatever does that yes she did the that one do you know how to I don't know no your fingers different

LizGenerations do the different things yeah we don't know how to I don't know how to do that do are you this thing she said my fingers looked mangled well she tried to do it but she was like and I was like

Brian Atlaswhat no she was close come on I can't do it just season so I don't know all I'm trying to say is all I'm

Brian Atlastrying to say as far as what I want yes I just want a girl who I can take on a trip with me to Hawaii that's it that's all I want not to much prob that's all I

Brian Atlaswant with no makeup who knows how to turn butter very important okay oh my God an woman I she Pearl suggested it I

Brian Atlaslooking for a woman who knows how to quilt and churn butter okay and he sliding my I guess my DMs are open if you know how to turn but they wouldn't have a phone so that's I'm how am I going to meet I'm going to have to

Brian Atlasroll up to the Farm the Amish farm Pearl will you come with me to an Alish Farm what are you doing out here will you be my wing woman I'll be your wing womana anytime all right thanks Pearl she's she's a killer wing woman

Brian Atlasall right let's okay let's get through all the notes here so we can hopefully wrap this up soon Let's see we have who do we have we

Brian Atlashave Jordan's friend oh my God I just was it was a little banter okay uh you said don't agree with current feminism making females out to be weak and men

Stacyare the enemy I'm a strong woman myself do you want to expand a bit on the uh uh feminism making females out to be weak and men are the enemy well I've heard on a lot of of the

Stacypodcast before that it's the idea going along with how men need to pay for everything or the men I don't mean to pick on you pe I really don't um you can

Stacyyou can you can think you you're your own person you can feel any way that you want but the whole of men should be honored to be with me and the whole thing I don't feel that that does any

Stacykind of a a benefit for you for women who think that way oh wow okay um so sorry it's for women who are empowered if they can pay they can

Stacyhold everything on their own and I don't feel that I need a man to do any of that and that's where I'm going with that so I don't know if I answered your

Madisonquestion because he's more concerned with the baby wow wow do you guys all agree with that any disagreements I honestly don't I I

Pearlhonestly don't disagree with all of it like I mean I don't think I'll ever be in a situation where I'm not making money like I'm not adding value into the world and

Pearlbeing compensated financially and it's like I think super important for women to build their own wealth to understand like to have financial literacy to understand how in how to invest to like

Pearlhave control over their finances and um yeah to like feel the power of of doing that I really think that that's important for women to do and also available for us to do and at the same

Pearltime I think that at least you know like when I'm with men I I like a man who's generous and I like a man who's ambitious and wants to treat his woman as well it doesn't mean that I never do

Pearlanything for him either I definitely want to spoil my man just like he spoils me um but uh yeah and I think that we're

Pearlin an age where we can like we went to the moon before women had were able to get credit cards in their own name so like I I think that it's a a really powerful experience for window to have

Paytontheir own money so do you want to have children yes would you be comfortable if when you have children that your man doesn't want you to work anymore and you just solely depend on him um doesn't

Pearlwant me to work like is it for my own ease and comfort I I I definitely let's say yes yeah like I I think that one of the reasons why I do want a man like who's ambitious and like kind of who has

Pearlsome amount of wealth is because I do want to be a mom and I want to be able to not work if I'm yeah impregnated and like birthing and like taking care of the children like yeah I

Stacythink that that's that's something that I would like and well but I would think you would have that conversation before you got pregnant oh yeah definitely that's that's something that's like an early conversation right I would think in your discussion of dating the guy

Pearlthat this kind of thing would come up I mean I would think any way oh yeah it it comes up very early for me I mean again I'm 32 so I'm in like a I'm finding my

Pearllife partner like Vibe so I definitely don't disagree with what you're saying and I also don't disagree with what I'm saying too yeah I

Madisonthink it's both do you think that should apply to even like women in very traditional relationships that want to stay at home like do you think they should have their

Pearlown money also um I think that no people can do whatever they want if that works for them and they feel like they're completely free and their man has their best interest in mind and what that best interest is for them to live a

Pearltraditional life then go ahead you should do that you know I would like you know just like ask and like worry I guess if my friends were in a situation where they felt like controlled or

Pearlsomething like that but that's not about being traditional that's about like just the situation you know so I think the language of like controlling isn't

Stacyhelpful like you have to you know that kind of stuff but you know people can do whatever they want okay it's good when a woman doesn't need a

Pearlman yeah I if for me I'm like I always need to have my own money because if I'm ever in a situation that's like abusive or anything like I'm leaving for sure I'm leaving so yeah it's always good to

Pearlhave that power I

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Brian Atlasgetting into to kind of the some of the hopefully the last notes Here uh let's see uh you had a disagreement we already kind of talked about this but I'll uh disagree with the topic of

Brian Atlasmaking women out to feel bad for wearing makeup yeah we already talked about that but we already I don't know if you weighed in much on it but I did I did about it extensively okay she did you also disagree with having women raid

Stacyeach other yeah I don't I don't really have the women raid each other typically you do that rate themselves no you've had them rate each other oh that's typically Andrew who does that I think

Stacythe one I think it's fine though that has actually happened she actually volunteered to do it true well put mny I remember watching one particular one and you were on with it was um and I don't

Stacyknow her name but she was the girl who used to be in adult films blonde large busted and it was the one and you were on with her on her for a good half an

Stacyhour about trying to get her to rate other women and she just wouldn't do it the other women in the panel how big were the breasts

Stacyum well I they were very large no they were very large and she was sitting on the end blond hair I think I know blond hair yes like she had bongas was it the

Brian Atlasgirl oh I know exactly I know I know what she's talking about was it me was it me on her case I don't know yeah it's probably on her case yeah she does have big tits that's yeah I mean that's what you

SPEAKER_00said sorry yeah and so I yeah I just don't like that because I think that that it um puts women against each other GMD gy donated

SPEAKER_00$69 women can now have credit cards and it only took them 50 years to rack up 1.14 trillion in debt great job ladies I like that one that's a good one

Brian AtlasJim thank you show of hands who hears a

Brian Atlasfeminist just you wait but hold on now this conf this really complicates the whole men should pay thing so how do you reconcile being

Brian Atlasa feminist but wanting men to pay for first AIDS never mind I'm not a feminist anymore just be a feminist you're a fous no I'm not can you scoot the mic this

Brian Atlasway a little bit Yeah and then tilt it down a little bit it's a little too uh yeah that didn't do anything but

Pearlokay yeah but how do you reconcile it seriously um I don't know how you Define

Pearlfeminist like I mean equ equality voice crack I think maybe I'm I'm not like right there's like hard feminists there's hard liberal like there's like

Pearlhard of all these versions I'm like I don't think I'm all the way over here but like I wouldn't say I I I'm a feminist in the sense that I don't think that the patriarchy was working and we

Pearlneeded uh something to correct that which was to let women make money give women like equal opportunity in the workforce like let them be able to like

Pearlhave mortgages on homes like let them be in whatever kind of you know uh occupation that they personally want to do so like I think that in that sense

PearlI'm a feminist um not a feminist in the sense that I think that men and women are the same and they should do all of the exact same things I think that masculine and feminine energy exist in

Pearlboth people and I personally um it's like a it's like the yin-yang thing I think women like just hormonally like our hor hormones are much different than male hormones and like we're built for

Pearldifferent things women are naturally a little bit typically more nurturing like we thrive in different kinds of work environments so I don't think that that has to do with like what I would want on

Pearla first date because I think a first date is a first impression and that man I would like to be someone who's generous who wants to take care of his woman and I think that those two things can coexist in one person you don't have

Brian Atlasto be all one thing and all one other thing you can be a multitude of things in one person well so you're talking about the feminist buffet buffet where you pick and choose the equality which

Brian Atlasbenefits you you disregard that which doesn't uh uh I mean all these things are kind of

Brian Atlasintertwined can you put the waterball on the ground or pour it into a cup poor favore so that was very submissive of You by the way you didn't even

Brian Atlaslike she you see how she just did it and she didn't even question it that was a very submissive PE proud of you um so these things are all kind of intertwined like do you think a world

Brian Atlaswhere for for example you said women should be allowed to work right well I mean if you double the labor pool are men less capable of providing for women

Pearlbecause of this action are men less capable of providing for women so is it harder for men to the

Brian Atlassame extent to which they did before yeah mhm but you're still desirous of a man to provide for you coffee on my first date yeah yeah but you still want a guy to provide for you throughout the

Pearlrelationship and even into the relationship I think if I'm having children then I think the expectation is that like housing and food would be provided for me and my children for sure

Pearlso the bulk of the expenses yeah right so and I'm going to pick a man who is capable and able to do that sure but it's interesting to me on

Brian Atlasone hand you want a man to provide for you in the same capacity that he would no not in the same capacity that he would in the same capacity that he would would provide for you if it was the

Brian Atlas1950s no I don't yes you I don't expect that you just said pay for the rent and pay for the food what are you pay married but like the entire time yes when you're married yeah but like which

Pearlwould be the expectation in the 1950s yeah but in the 1950 I'm still like I was talking you wer you weren't even here like wealth creation wealth creation for me is still very important I'm always going to be making money and

Pearlalways going to have my own money and going to increase my net worth from now until the day I die I for sure am going to be acting in those ways which is very different we're talk we're not talking about you we're talking about the man I'm saying that I will

Pearlstill contribute financially to the marriage partnership it's just like during but I do think that so what are you going to pay for then he pays rent and food what do you pay for listen I'm going to do all the

Pearldetails within my own relationship I don't think I and I also don't know because I'm not married and I don't have his babies right now but I'm just saying I will make money and I don't expect for

Pearllike my man to I guess take care of like every single thing and for me to not have any money at all okay so your expectation of men is for them to

Pearloperate as if they were in the 1950s men I don't care what men do I have my own preference for what I want my man to do men can do whatever they want they can go 50/50 I totally get it it's a rough

Pearlworld it's hard to be like financially in a place where you can provide completely with no help for for women that's a very difficult that's a very

Pearldifficult thing to do is that what you want I think when I'm in a marriage relationship I think yeah I personally want when I when I have children donated

SPEAKER_00$69 so men pay for everything and you pay for yourself you're a misandrist she chill out you not so pretty little liar we know what you're like behind the lies

Brian Atlasa we know you just one dollar yo Josh thank you man appreciate it wait so you said you do want a guy to be that provider is that

Pearlcorrect I think when I'm in a relationship and I give birth to his children it's totally fair for him to provide us a place to stay and for food

Pearlto eat I will also about health insurance I will also being making my own money and contributing in ways that I can for the rest of my life because that's something that I want to do and

SPEAKER_00something that I have the capabilities to do and that I feel like is valuable Rex got 666 donated $69 can we have everybody but Pearl do a

Brian Atlasfit check I don't care to hear another thing from her tonight I think that we got to do fit check that's got to be like a a champagne pop is that is that too much

Brian Atlasfor a fit check Pearl needs a little liquor I think that's fair we'll do it for champagne pop um wait so I'm confused out listen you can be

Pearlconfused I don't need you to understand my perspective because we are not going to be in a couple we're not going to be a couple I've said what I think pretty much like four times in a row

Jordanso all right I'm done no you can move on you broke my heart I really thought we were making progress okay you guys argue like a

Brian Atlascouple I know it's crazy right okay um so you want a guy to you just said rent and food but come on you you're going to want to provide more than that

Brian Atlasright if he would like to that would be nice so just to be clear you're going to pay for health insurance you're going to pay for utilities you're going to pay for all the CH the child's I never said

Brian Atlasany of that are so then do you want the men to pay for the utilities and the child care and the babysitter do you want them to pay and the health insurance think we out when we get there

PearlI'm just then the yes is that a yes you no it's not a yes I don't know I don't know how it's going to get split up exactly but why can you make the determination when it comes to rent and food just because I think that those are

Pearlpretty basic qualities but there's other expenses there are other expenses yeah but I think like rent and food is like a good one to be like I do kind of I'm being honest and saying like I do kind of expect my man to provide at least that while I am literally raising his

Pearlchildren do I expect him to provide rent and food for me now no cuz we're just we're not there yet but if I'm literally giving him birth to his children yeah those are like my basic expectations everything else I think we'll have to

Pearlwork out like where is he in his career where am I in my career like what are our financial responsibilities how are we going to split this all up like but I'm not I'm not like oh you provide 100%

Brian Atlasof everything and I stay home with the kids and do nothing that's not what I like but he provide 100% of everything and you continued to be a boss babe no I

Brian Atlasdidn't I said he doesn't have are you going to stay home and take care of the kids or are you going to want like a babysitter you know what I'm going to do you're I'm sorry you're 32 you should probably figure it out I will figure

Brian Atlasthat out Brian but like you don't know uh I don't know exactly how everything is going to be split up when I'm in my relationship what about what you want let's not talk about how it's going to

Brian Atlasbe let's talk about what you want when the when the kids are young do you want to stay at home and take care of them or do you want to be out working and have somebody paying for child care I'll

Pearlprobably do a combination of both like I'll probably have some help but also like work as well it's just kind of what I've imagined I don't know exactly what I'm

Pearlgoing to do but like what do you want though you want do you want a combo I do probably I want a combo yeah cuz I think that's a full-time job to take care of children that's a full-time job and I don't ever see myself like not working

Pearlin some capacity I'll probably take a break at like for a while like what 6 months I don't know Brian I I don't know what about 5 years until they're in kindergarten I don't know I think it'll

Brian Atlasbe whatever is how works best for our family how many kids do you want I'm imagining like two okay so like maybe six seven years before both of them are

Brian Atlasin uh Elementary School I don't imagine it being that long well isn't it start at 5 years old uh kindergarten I probably won't wait that long to

Pearlwork okay so you you'll need to pay for child care uh I don't know how it's going to be split up like I've said already but okay so are you trying to

Brian Atlaswant make me say some things on like some specific things trying to understand your perspective so so you what you want is you don't want to stay at home with the kids not 100% of the

Brian Atlastime so even before they get into like kindergarten you will [Laughter]

SPEAKER_00want desert Joe donated $69 please for the love of God someone tell Pearl to stop stroking her hair it

SPEAKER_00came already and the tip is ultra sensitive also I hope she likes cats her future will only have cats no man or

Brian Atlaskids I literally do have a man but it's fine oh really quick going back to the Stiffler um the Stiffler ask everyone to

Brian Atlasrate themselves on a scale of 1 to [Music]

Brian Atlas10 sorry the scouter does not detect any tens any tens at the table and this isn't even me this is the

Jordanscouter he really wanted to

SPEAKER_00[Music] character like Josh donated $69 foring called it all right pearl now that we've established you're a gold

SPEAKER_00digger I want to take this time to say Jordan you're beautiful I'm so happy you didn't turn out like Pearl cry later Pearl oh man definitely won't be crying

Jordanat all yeah she has Pearl has BL so she's good she won't cry over this no I think Pearl's amazing she's intelligent you're beautiful like and thank you for the

Brian Atlascompliment uh getting through the notes Here Pearl you said you're uh a positive influence parentheses are your singer your spiritual polyot what is what is

Brian Atlasthat I mean someone who like speaks multiple languages well no I know what polyglot is yeah Spirit oh wait spiritual I thought it was a spiritual okay yeah all I didn't know okay I

Brian Atlasthought it was like spiritual okay biracial baddy I think that's on your Instagram it is yeah when you messaged us you were like I have some thoughts LOL oh yeah did we talk about those

Brian Atlasalready there was there anything else in specific okay uh let's see uh you said uh some men are emotionally attracted to other men but sexually attracted to women and Tall that's I said last time

Brian Atlasand tall men are overrated yeah those are my hot takes last time so you're data short King yeah okay that's cool I have data short Kings that's that's sweet you said uh equality is not sameness it's fairness the sexy and fair

Brian Atlasthing to do is for the man to pick up the tab ladies do not settle for less we teach people how to treat us yeah I did say that you you did say that do you want to elaborate a bit or I think it's

Jordanpretty much self-explanatory yeah okay uh interesting I mean that's literally what my whole video was about that went viral I think when people say they want

Jordanequality they really need to specify what they mean by that like there's equality of opportunity and quality of outcome you can't have both it's true it's true we have Pay Here we need to get through pay's notes then we'll try

Brian Atlasto I think wait Drea more Payton we Payton wait do you have a Drea oh that was wait isbel Ashley oh okay Drea no Drea no oh

Brian Atlasyeah no sh uh pay you're the last notes that we have uh you're an anti-feminist but not traditional do you want to explain that um I'm

Paytonanti-feminist meaning I just don't believe in any of the today's age feminism or anything that it stands with and also um I don't think really any

Paytonwoman can be completely traditional in today's age just with the internet and everything it's just just not possible to be completely traditional fair you also

Paytonsaid uh do you not want to talk about the relationship history stuff this is from your old old notes oh it was just that one relationship that I that I said that I was in it was just like horrible

Brian Atlasyou said there are a few things I disagree with the host on um AK gave me well I've gotten to hear you out more and I don't know if there's many things that I disagree with there's one thing you said uh you think it's just as hard

Brian Atlasfor women to date as it is for men when it pertains to average men and women his opinion on the difficulties of average men and women when it comes to dating or standards men and women of average

Brian Atlassalaries looks height age weight occupation Etc uh I don't know if we did we get a chance to talk about that last time or no no okay let's talk about it then okay so going around the table I want to open up to the whole panel I

Brian Atlasknow you guys were we're in the we're in the what's that saying we're home stretch who said that she do good thank you that was perfect we're in the home stretch here guys home stretch do some

Brian Atlasjumping jacks or something wake yourselves up CU we're about to get into some last minute nitty-gritty uh do you guys think who has it easier when it comes to dating men women or

Jordanequal I think initially it's easier for women wom um I think in the long shot it's more equal mhm that's my answer Pearl what do you think

Pearlequal actually change have changed my mind about this I used to think it was harder for women but I actually think it's equal it's equally hard I'm assuming your position is equal or

Paytonharder is it harder for women or equal personally I think it's harder for women but generally I think equal okay I think

Brian Atlasit's easier for women okay agreed I think it's easier for women W Liz BL Liz she got her title

Sarahback uh Sarah Sarah what do you think I would have to agree with Jordan I think initially it's easier for women but like

Madisonequal later on in life yeah easier for women like I get what you mean by it's obviously hard for average woman but I think if we're comparing the average

Madisonwoman to the average man the men still the man still might have it a little bit harder at least a dog what you got I think it's easier for

Brian Atlaswoman okay so why uh why do you wait yours is it's equal or is it harder for women generally it's equal but I think did you say it was can be harder for

Brian Atlaswomen or personally oh for anecdotally for you yes okay why is it harder for you do you think I don't really know why I think I try like so in what ways are

Paytonyou struggling how is it how is it hard what have you found hard I've found it difficult because you either get rejected or you find someone that isn't

Madisongood for you and then it doesn't work out sure where do you usually look for dates

Paytonlike do you do online dating or I did but that was just I was telling actually I was saying earlier about one

Paytonexperience that I had on Tinder is where I was talking to a guy and it seemed like it was going well and we were going to go on our first state we were supposed to go out to

Paytondinner and I went in the car with him and he drove deep into the woods at night and said that he wanted to take pictures of me in the woods I think I

Paytonremember this actually what yeah and I was I was like okay this this is this state is over and we're never speaking again and also I told I had him I was

Paytonlike okay this is getting weird you need to drive me home so he drove me back to my house and I forgot my like women's leather jacket in his car and I tried to

Madisonmessage him to say that I forgot it in his car just to get my jacket back and I had already been blocked oh my god do you think it's easier for you to meet people online or organically I don't

Paytonthink either is is easy I think it's both difficult which which is harder maybe online for you personally I think online because you don't know the person

Paytonit can anything they can be anything like they can be totally different than their profile says or how they look or or anything and so I feel like in person when you meet someone and you ask them

Jordanout you can kind of get a sense of who they are by seeing them in person but I feel like people don't know how to have organic conversations nowadays because we have the internet so

JordanI think it goes actually in the other direction I think it's easier online because you bypass all of the initials like you can pretty much figure out everything you want to know about them I

Paytonmean if they're telling you the truth before actually seeing them so you're not actually doing much of the scouting that's why why I think it is difficult though because a lot of people will use

Paytontheir online Persona to make you think that they're a certain way and then they're actually completely different and they just use the internet to kind kind of

Paytonmask who they really are are you currently dating um I'm trying to but it just hasn't worked out why do you think being on this podcast help yeah I think have a couple people are gonna be I

Paytondon't really know why it hasn't worked out that's the thing too is I don't think I'm a very picky person I don't think I'm looking for too much I have a very realistic idea of what I would like

Paytonand I don't know I just just hasn't worked out for me I think it's cuz you need to be more obsessed with yourself I could never though I'm like erroneous

Stacyerroneous right never he's coming the is coming you're so special so cute I just feel like if you saw yourself like that like I don't know I guess I can only speak for myself like

Pearlthat kind of energy where you're like wow like I'm I'm really cool like I would add a lot to somebody's life like that energy I feel like like you don't have to pursue a man like when you really like think of yourself highly

Pearllike you really do magnetize the right men into your life and you won't really even attract Men Who to take you into the W and take pictures of you which is freaking crazy and honestly like I know that people on this podcast are going to

Pearldisagree but if you rate yourself if you really see yourself as a five like you're going to attract people in your life who see you as a five like I feel like if you really focus on being that which you are you're so special

Pearlyou're so beautiful you're so fun and like you're really you really have a unique personality that I think someone's really really going to love and who's looking for someone exactly like you like you don't have to ask men

Pearlout on dates it's like you can just focus on yourself be who be who you are love who you are and like the right man are are going to come and find you I don't want to be offensive at all and

Paytonthat's very sweet but I just feel like that's unrealistic like I have a good sense of self in a way that I know who I am but I don't think of myself higher

Paytonthan I should be and like how you guys were saying earlier oh when you think of yourself in you know a five or whatever you you won't try harder like but I work out I take care of myself and everything

Paytonbut I just feel like I'm just more realistic about if I had like you know all the guys that I've asked out say what they rated me that's what I go off of not of like what I think of myself

JordanI'm like I'm okay I'm a you know I'm I'm me you are able to take an objective stance without getting into fairy tale land yeah like let's be real you come off to me and I think a lot of the other

Jordanwomen would agree you come off pretty confident so I don't think you laugh extremely humble thanks and that's a very beautiful

Sarahquality sorry to have it's a beautiful so I wouldn't I wouldn't pick up this like no offense but like I wouldn't pick up this um unauthentic Pride

Sarahbecause I personally like think that pride is one of the most like unattractive qualities and that's just because I want to attract somebody who's extremely humble and doesn't have to

Sarahexplain to people how special they are and I think that that quality in you speak volumes to so many it already has like literally you're getting so hyped on like every man on here for just being

Brian Atlasyou for literally just being you wait you you like humble I do and you're against Pride yeah do you know what I'm about to

Sarahwalk you into no no okay you said you were a 10 okay isn't that Pride but like you are misconstruing everything I said I literally walked out I had to go potty

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