Feminist WANTS Traditional Man?! SHAMES "Cheap" Men Who DO NOT Pay For Dates?! | Dating Talk #190

Date: 2024-08-26

Duration: 7h 16m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPayton (pay_irl)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_02Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_12Stacy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ava(guest)

Key Moments

OtherPearl Bots sings "At Last" live on the show; studied opera (coloratura soprano).

“Brian asks Pearl to sing. She performs "At Last" (Etta James). Brian then requests Queen of the Night (Magic Flute). Pearl declines without extra compensation.”

OtherPearl's viral TikTok demonstrated live: "I use this hack to shame cheap men who split the bill."

“Brian pulls up NY Post article covering Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views). Pearl performs the bit: when man wants to split, she says "Oh I didn't know this was a friend date." Pearl clarifies she didn't intend it as an actionable hack, just content.”

ControversyBrian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership: wants man to lead on dates but rejects leadership when inconvenient.

“Brian points out Pearl appreciates a man who initiates, plans, and pays for dates, but resists deferring on the bikini-at-party issue. "You only want a leader when it benefits you." Pearl responds with a yin-yang model of leadership in relationships.”

ControversyExtended role-play debate: Pearl demands Brian explain WHY he doesn't want her at the party.

“Brian role-plays as Pearl's boyfriend saying "no" to her attending a party. Pearl keeps asking for more explanation. Brian argues "no" is a sufficient sentence from a leader. Pearl argues good leadership communicates reasoning. Brian accuses her of only wanting leadership when it benefits her.”

OtherPearl refuses to give a numeric self-rating, arguing women should think of themselves as tens.

“Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10. Pearl refuses to give a number, arguing women should operate with a "10 mindset" for confidence. Extended debate with Brian and Jordan about whether this is healthy vs delusional.”

OtherPearl announces she is a feminist; Brian and Payton push back given her preference for men to pay.

“Pearl calls herself a feminist (soft/equity definition). Payton says she is anti-feminist. Brian says Pearl's feminism is inconsistent with wanting men to pay for dates. "Just be a feminist you're a focus" — Brian says she can't have it both ways.”

OtherBody count round: Pearl 7, Jordan 7, Sarah 3; others decline.

“Viewer TTS prompts body count discussion. Jordan body count: 7 (from TTS readback). Pearl: 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy, Liz, Ava, and Madison decline to answer.”

OtherBrian reads live a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor; Madison helped write it.

“Brian recounts texting an ex about personal hygiene (vaginal odor). He reads the text verbatim. Madison helped craft it. Woman he texted broke off contact after receiving the message.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show with standard announcements. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pearl sings "At Last" (Etta James) at Brian's request; also studied opera. Jordan, Payton, Stacy, Liz, Sarah, Madison, Ava each introduce themselves.

Relationship status round

Pearl: dating exclusively ~2 months (not official). Jordan: married 6 years. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years (Catholic; returning guest, discussed before). Stacy: married 21.5 years. Liz: newly single ~3 weeks (broke up with Navy man stationed in Japan after visiting). Sarah: single; has 2 sons from an on-off relationship. Madison: in ~2-year relationship. Ava: in 5-year relationship.

Bikini/party debate: should girlfriends go to parties in bikinis?

Discussion triggered by viewer donation about girlfriend going to pool party in bikini against his wishes. Brian argues commitment-minded men reasonably limit girlfriends' attendance at singles-oriented social events. Pearl pushes back on "no" without explanation being sufficient leadership communication. Jordan and Stacy agree women should defer to partner's preferences. Role play between Brian and Pearl on the communication of a "no" in a relationship. Debate on whether women's indirect flirting (posting, going out) is analogous to men approaching.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Viewer "Stiffler" requests self-ratings. Pearl: refuses numeric, says she considers herself a 10 philosophically. Payton: delusional 10, realistic 5. Stacy: no numeric (all women are 10s framing via Sarah). Viewer TTS: Jordan body count [?], Pearl body count 7. Debate on whether women should think of themselves as 10s for confidence vs delusion.

Aging and female attractiveness

Are guests better looking now than 10 years ago? Will they be better looking in 10 years? Pearl (32): thinks she'll still be a 10 at 52. Jordan (26): thinks she looks better now. Stacy (47): confirmed better looking in youth. Brian argues biology causes female attractiveness to peak and decline.

Age gap relationships

Discussion of what constitutes an age gap (5+ years per consensus). Payton mentions older men who date younger women may be seeking someone to fund their college. Brian distinguishes comfort/guidance attraction from exploitation.

Pearl's viral TikTok: shaming men who want to split the bill

Brian pulls up NY Post article about Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views): "I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill." Pearl demonstrates the TikTok bit: "Oh I didn't know you wanted to just be friends." Discussion of who should pay on a first date. All panelists: man should pay if he asked her out. Pearl: expects first date to be paid for, does not recommend the hack per se. Brian asks Pearl to reconcile feminist self-identification with wanting men to pay.

Women in the military / draft debate

Should women be drafted? Payton: yes (equality argument), but anti-feminist overall. Sarah: yes, drafted equally. Jordan: believes women have important role at home (especially mothers). Stacy: nuanced — both parents shouldn't be drafted from same family. Brian: supports drafting women as equality issue.

Makeup: deception or self-care?

Is wearing makeup deceptive to men? Brian argues full-face makeup is more deceptive than minimal makeup. Push-up bras mentioned similarly. Jordan: there's a difference between natural and full-beat glam. Some guests willing to remove makeup on camera; Brian says he already rated them with it on.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather be alone with a random man or a random bear in the forest? Most guests choose bear, citing the viral TikTok. Liz says she'd pick bear but acknowledges she was influenced by the video. Ava (podcast staff) chooses man. Brian and panel discuss what percentage of men would actually harm a woman.

Feminist identity debate: Pearl vs panel

Brian challenges Pearl on calling herself a feminist while wanting men to pay for dates. Pearl clarifies she is a soft/equity feminist, not an equality-of-outcome feminist. Payton declares herself anti-feminist (does not believe in modern feminism). Brian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership benefits without accepting leadership constraints.

Body count discussion

Does body count matter? Jordan: body count 7 (stated via TTS readback). Pearl: body count 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy and Ava: no comment. Madison declined to answer. Majority of panel said body count matters in some degree.

Telling a partner uncomfortable truths

Brian shares a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor — reads it live. Madison helped him write it. Panel discusses how to tell a friend or partner uncomfortable truths about weight, hygiene, etc. Payton: would tell a friend directly if they were gaining too much weight. WW1 trivia round closes the show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthat she hooks up with men to use their shower facilities SLB wow girl on a dating app and she's

Brian Atlasdoing van life I'm in town for the weekend she she um she posts more than three Instagram stories a

Sarahday what she posts more than three Instagram stories a day aren you number on social media what's that aren't you constantly on social media not you not you personally but like me yeah on my

Brian Atlaspersonal Instagram I don't post any stories okay be be okay let me ask you guys a question you don't you've never seen

Brian Atlasthat person that posts like 30 stories a day in what is this person never not crazy the 30 stories a day they have

Pearlmental health 30 is different than four though unless you're trying to like run a personal Fair that's fair I get what you're saying though like it's a lot see my stories though are like business

Brian Atlasthat's F I give Liz the P Liz gets the I was like I have to say do you post for B yeah for the gym and if she has a lot of posts on Instagram like a thousand plus

Jordanyeah it's doing the most any that that applies to guys too yeah get over yourself like anybody who has a thousand posts on Instagram honestly if a guy has a ton of selfies red flag MH mhm like

Lizdude that's F I should look at my Instagram I got a couple I only have like's doing PE signs I know like all

Paytonlike a Facebook mom I think I only have can I say one weird red flag that I thought of yeah go ahead oh yeah go for it it's when a guy will post pictures or send you pictures of himself and it's

Jordanlike the worst quality like they're using some random flip phone potato yeah I don't know why where they coming from what raise your standards yeah all right

Brian Atlaslet's read uh MD can you read this one brutal or Ava let's do AA Ava go ahead I can't see it though you can't see all right get this girl a spectacle what is it what

Madisonocul monacle thank you Desmond if you want to raise another man's kid date a woman like this she'll go get pregnant off someone else while singing about how

Brian Atlasinspired she is by by your feminine energy bro run quick run

Madisonwho's this is it this is that who's this Ed to you cuz singing yeah she also said the feminine energy thing yeah oh

Madisonyeah can you read this one look honestly women need to answer to their man even says it in the Bible the only thing a real man wants is low body count peace

Stacyand sub real men are not feminine fem man equals not protecting people use a Bible for their advantage that's so not right they really seem to forget the more important part of that Bible verse

Brian Atlasthat the husband needs to love his wife as Christ love the church absolutely well going back to the chat from tank here though he says feminine feminine man equals not protecting me and Jordan

Jordanhave Tangoed on this one look I think the woman should take the bullet on that not I have to use

Lizrestroom for real all right peace out she's you hear her take off in her car like out the

SPEAKER_00window so anyways um next Super Chat next chat so pH Cal oh wait this already came through right men had some form of mental

SPEAKER_00illness and you have to choose to date from these three PTSD schizophrenia bipolar disorder which one would you rather date I like PTSD yeah mhm it

Lizdepends how s schizophrenia cuz it'd be so exciting for like one thing it's like one thing I feel like I'd be able to handle that I would do bipolar because actually I mean I have

Stacyfamily members who have that and if you're on the right medication and you you can live a pretty normal life PTSD you almost can never fully get away from that I you can go through therapy but

Madisonthings can just set you off I think I would I think I got oh do we I'll let the go ahead go we all pretty much answer I'm good oh did everybody answer

Paytonschizophrenia I think I would take PT because it would be so exciting he' be seeing stuff he would be imagining things it would be crazy I think chat yo chat what do you

SPEAKER_09pick chat what do you pick you good PTSD skitso or bu she's like it's cuz I have it I think I I have to pick PTSD so conc I think I take PTSD

Brian Atlasskitso bipolar I don't know we've had some I've met bipolar girls even if they're medicated yeah there's a little something still not all there you know

Sarahmaybe they weren't on the illnesses I feel like it's really sad to like reduce people to their illnesses to say that they don't deserve or like need a romantic partner B I didn't say that

Brian Atlasalthough I do believe in miracles I'm not saying that to you I'm saying feel them to them I don't know like wait I actually hold I'll just argue with this I'll argue with it with you on this I actually think

Brian Atlaswell I think it's totally fine if somebody on the on the basis alone of somebody's mental health diagnosis if they don't want to date them because of that that's totally fine but I don't know if that's exactly what you're

Saraharguing or I just would feel I just personally would feel bad for somebody who's watching who has bipolar and and by one of us saying that they wouldn't date a

SarahBipolar person for this reason that reason the other reason like I feel like that would make that person feel like they like we're saying they don't deserve cuz I feel like the question was kind of in a derogatory way I thought you were going to say it makes them feel

Sarahbad and I was about to say so so like for so let me like give an example I have diabetes and I like am very very aware that people like probably don't want to pass it on to their children and this

Sarahreason and that reason they don't want to live with the lifestyle so they wouldn't date me for that reason I personally wouldn't be hurt but I'm sure there are like a million other diabetics who be like why are you not going to date me just cuz I can't eat sugar carbs or break it down you know what I mean

Brian Atlaswell I don't know if I mean diabetes I don't know if it compares to like more mental health thing but I I don't even think I

Brian Atlasmean I I mean if somebody didn't want to date you because you had diabetes I don't think there's actually anything wrong with that I don't I don't nothing wrong with it I don't either I just

Sarahwould hate for other people who are seeing it to feel like lesser than because of something they can't control if that makes sense I'm just vouching for those people there's a bunch of short guys that can't control their

Lizheight short Kings but plenty of women don't want to date them don't say that because they're short yeah it's literally an insult followed by a compliment yeah I I actually got a bit

Brian Atlasof flak because I this must have been two or 3 months ago I said that I do think it's I don't know exactly how I frame but I said something along the

Brian Atlaslines of my advice to men would be you should not date women who are bipolar I got a lot of flack was bipolar and

Brian Atlasstabed the attempted murder chick yeah um got pushed back from her got pushed back from the bipolar Community look these these people are certainly uh deserving of compassion and

Brian Atlasempathy and I wish them the best in dealing with their uh uh their diagnosis but I don't actually think it's wrong to

Brian Atlasgive prescriptive advice to say for example I do think it's suboptimal to date somebody who has a certain diagnosis and I think it'd be a disservice to my viewers and audience to

Brian Atlaslike choose to Omit having the conversation of guys you probably shouldn't date women who have BPD shouldn't date women who have XYZ uh diagnosis I don't think there's

Brian Atlasanything wrong with that I don't think you should insult these people I don't think you should be mean to them I don't think you should belittle them but I think it's a disservice to like ignore the impact that these things could have

Sarahin a relationship yeah I totally I totally respect that I just don't want people to get Hur I just don't want to hurt people's feelings like point blank which is which

Brian Atlasis I'm sorry look uh and it's look if somebody's fine with dating them they're willing to uh they're willing to date them I don't I'm not saying that they aren't deserving of Love or that they

Brian Atlasshould just stay be alone for their whole life God damn is that Air Force One what the Joe Biden was in town last week so I don't know maybe he's

Brian Atlasstill kicking it in uh Santa Barbara so um thought it was good um we're good we're good we're good uh so uh do you

Madisonthink it should be disclosed if you're dating somebody yeah for sure I you should disclose I think you should disclose what should be disclosed I think even something as like minor as

Madisondepression and anxiety should also be disclosed everything should Beed they got to know what they're getting into definitely word yeah you got to you got to disclose and then if

Stacyyou're married and something comes up later this comes back to the whole till death you part yeah you deal with it you deal with it if somebody later gets as

Stacythey get older or something they go in the military they get deployed they come back yeah and they have that you don't just leave them me you stick with them as far as you

Brian Atlascan now there's never know how far that goes but that that that's the whole point of till death you part although I wonder I mean what if the mental illness starts manifesting

Stacyitself in abusive Behavior right well that's what I mean in that if it goes in certain directions where your health your safety now is in Jeopardy H okay

Madisonword uh let's see what other chats do we have oh wait we got here madny can you read it says these women here want a slave to use their money it's actually M

Madisonbut no disrespect to Maddie I said it was um just thought it'd be fun for her to read her language I'm long to sorry okay I'm a failure you're a

Brian Atlasfailure yeah okay appreciate it thank you who cares oh this is a great time Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a

Pearlscale of 1 to 10 starting with pearl take it away Pearl so are you asking me how like symmetrical my body

Pearlis and like if I have the ideal hip to waist ratio is that this question or is it how do I perceive my own self or is it how do I perceive men perceiving me cuz there three I like this we're

Brian Atlascommunicating this is good this we're commun it's good it's good pretty straightforward we're communicating okay sure so I'll break it down into three ways rate your face out

Pearlof 10 rate your body out of 10 and rate total out of 10 my face and my body and total meaning how other people perceive me how I perceive myself or how

Brian Atlassymmetrical I am well so my worldview is it's the that's all the same okay so you have correct your perception I perceive

Pearlmyself as a 10 okay F you want to do breakdown Face Body total it's all total 10 face 10 I myself as a 10 because that's the mo that's the best way to move through this world how symmetrical I am the golden

Pearlratio all that stuff I don't know I'd have to get scanned by a machine and them to tell me yeah and so to answer the one that you brought up what about how you think uh I guess men perceive you I guess I would say that that's

Pearlsubjective and I also don't care and I think that it's uh not helpful to comment on it or even think about it for a second why is it not helpful um because I think that women are valued

Pearlfor their looks especially how men value their looks and I just don't think that that's a helpful conversation yeah and I'm not going to comment on that and I'm sure men would probably some men would rate me a four

Pearlsome men would rate me a nine and and if we're talking about perfect symmetry no one is a 10 out of 10 I and I don't I don't care about that I think that what makes someone

Brian Atlasbeautiful is is more holistic so their personality yeah everything about them okay but so we're we're talking about looks though yeah so personality confidence these things are

Pearlrelevant I would rate myself a 10 mhm if you're asking do I think I'm at I men desire me and think I'm just as

Pearlbeautiful as like Gigi Hadid or like all these super models do you think you're as beautiful uh I think that how of how people perceive me and how people perceive them is irrelevant no but do

Pearlyou think you're as beautiful as them I think that I see myself as a 10 and that if they see themselves of a 10 then we're the

Brian Atlassame but so looking at like a really attractive supermodel do you make the assessment I'm not assessing at all I don't I care care let me ask the

Pearlquestion do you think you're just as good-look or perhaps even more uh as they are what's the point of this question is it to see how self-aware I

Pearlam about how symmetrical I am because that's what it seems to be that this that this sh cuz if I rate myself at a 10 y'all are like oh my God you're so stupid you're not a 10 you think that you're perfectly symetrical you think

Pearlyou're so beautiful all this stuff I'm like if that's the question then I don't then I don't know and I don't care if it's how do I perceive myself it's going to be that I move through the

Pearlworld like I'm a ten but aren't you able to make determinations as to like the physical attractiveness of other women like am I more conventionally attractive according to like eurocentric beauty standards no that's not even the question I'm just

SPEAKER_00ask so going back to question that's what the essence of it is why why does it have to be eurocentric cuz that's how conventional beauty standards name taken donated $200 thank you ma'am ladies

SPEAKER_00first we don't care what you rate yourself what would your average rating be on a picture rating website second going back to dating red flags is it a red flag if a man is a trump voter here

Brian Atlason that second one just just show up hands red flag if the man's a trump voter show of hands what what' you say is it a red flag oh if it's a red flag sorry show hands red flag if it's a

Pearlif he's a trump voter it's a flag but I don't what does that even mean like I don't think I don't think it's as black and white as that I'm not like oh you voted for Trump like oh I'm never going to see you ever again but I

Brian Atlaswould say say yeah it it kind of depends it kind of depends I would say I'm more I'm moreid would you prefer your current boyfriend to vote for Cala or Trump uh in well I think when it was Joe Biden

Pearland trump it was a different story in my opinion which one but Kamala and Trump I would probably I would I'm like I would prefer him to vote for Kamala we're

Brian Atlasdoomed oh no wait say one more time Liz say go ahead I said we're doomed doomed okay um and then what was it uh we'll get back hold on uh what would

Pearlyour average rating be on the picture rating website do you want to go for that one I don't care nor I don't and I don't know all right so going around the

Brian Atlastable what do you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 from Stiffler nine okay

Paytondelusional 10 realistic five okay well so which which are you I'm realistic five okay

Brian AtlasI would rate myself as a six I like seven eight wait 6 S 5 9 10 say we can't

Brian Atlaschoose seven actually uh is Stacy are you back can she hear is her name Stacy right what's her name Stacy that's her name Stacy right Sarah I'm Stacy Sarah Sarah oh sorry sorry got got the to me

Brian AtlasSarah uh 1 to 10 what do you rate yourself on a scal oh she's coming back I'll wait till she she's coming back yeah just you can throw out a number and

SarahI can say it for you yeah um I think we're all tens to be honest into the just say it into a mic I think we're all tens that's why she got up yeah no it's not

Brian Atlasokay so you're 10 okay okay so 10 n 10 all 10 go ahead Pearl what you what you got for me I said 10 Oh I thought you were it sounded like

Brian Atlasyou about to say something so oh no no no oh okay huh okay I don't think anyone is confused by that of course now going around the table do you think you'll be

Pearlbetter looking in 10 years time better looking I think I'll be aging and I don't think that I think I'll still have the confidence of a 10

Brian Atlasthat's yeah but so I'm talking about Society will will value me less the society will value you less yeah okay for Mya 32 will you be better

Pearllooking at 42 than you are now at 32 I think that this question is like just kind of dumb why is it dumb because it doesn't give um there's no range

Pearlthere's no scope like I'm not even allowed to like ask like deeper questions about it it's just like are you ten are you it's like what does that even mean ask your

Pearlreally deep question this I mean it's just what I already said so you are allowed to ask your really deep questions okay I think that

Pearlwomen shouldn't think about raing their beauty at all I think that women should think and walk into rooms and be like I am a 10 and the when you think like I

Pearlsaid before when you believe that you're a 10 and you really act like a 10 you're like I'm a sexy Baddie then you actually start to become more beautiful you start to take care of your skin you start to

Pearltake care of your hair when you have a self-image that's high it actually helps you become more beautiful when you think of yourself as low then you don't dress as well you tend to not take care of

Pearlyour body as much so I just think that it's better for women to think of themselves as a sexy baddy who's a 10 and so you said when a woman walks into a room let's assume this room is let's

Brian Atlasassume this room is a party party type environment like a socializing environment there's single men single women she's single whatever should a

Brian Atlaswoman walk into that room thinking that I'm a 10 I of all the single men in here I can get every single one of them

Brian Atlasshould she think that should she think I'm is that what she wants like why does she want to get all these no no no she doesn't want to all the men but she thinks she could get all the men I think

Pearlgetting all the men is a different question than do you have the confidence of a 10 I'm yeah sure it's a different question answer the question though do I think that a woman should walk into a room and and say I could get all these

Brian Atlasmen no I just don't think that that's realistic well why is that unrealistic but believing you are the most beautiful woman in the room and you're a 10 why is that realistic uh I think that it's

Pearleffective I think it actually having an attitude of I'm a 10 and just not comparing yourself to other people or other women is really helpful for women is it that's what I believe and that's

Pearlwhat I've experienced when I was like oh I'm a six or I'm a five I acted like a six and a five when I think that I'm a 10 it actually allows me I work out I take care of myself I encourage other

Brian Atlaswomen I'm not I'm not comparing myself to other women at all well I can think I can make the counter argument here and say that women who are not tens but

Brian Atlasthink they're the tens see no need to improve sees no no need to improve themselves so they won't go to the gym even though they're overweight do data on that 10 is 10 is considered

PearlPerfection what do you mean d dat what data like do you have like any sorts of like do you know that you have data for your CL no but I'm just saying both of these things are just opinions that's what we're discussing

Jordanwe're discussing opinions okay that's what I think well I think the question should be framed a little bit different just so people understand like we're trying to differentiate like it's good

Jordanto be confident but we're talking about a lot of times women have like overly inflated sense of self and and they're not being realistic that's ego though

Pearlthat's insecurity actually that's not true confidence insecurity says I'm better than all these women confidence saying no it isn't what I'm confidence is saying I don't care who's in this room I don't care if Bella Hadid is in

Pearlhere I don't care if Kendall Jenner all the Kardashians are in here I'm a 10 and I'm worthy of being in this room and I'm beautiful and people will love me and be attracted to me and I'm attractive and I'm desirable but you don't need to be a

Stacy10 to have that feeling it doesn't I mean if we're talking about being more a good point CU I'm I'm I'm I'm sexy and I'm a badass and I will take anybody on for anything and but I will still only

Jordanrate myself as a six cuz I'm realistic well that's good for you I mean good for you I think we're trying to figure out like okay out of a 100 men yeah like

Pearlwhat would be your average rating yeah if that's the question then my answer is I don't give a and I'm not going to answer you got

Brian Atlasyour singing okay um so going back to the Aging one though better looking at 42 as compared to 32 I already answered yeah you said

Pearlit was stupid but answer the stupid question I think I'm still going to be a 10 okay what about 20 years time 52 as compared to 32 I think that uh physical

PearlBeauty definitely decreases as you age yeah that's we're talking about physical Beauty looks yeah it's probably it's going to it's going to decrease as I age okay but so but it won't decrease until

Brian Atlas52 cuz you said I don't think it's like a science like that to be honest well it's bi biology which is a science okay I took that in high school all right I think I'm talking too much let's no

Jordanyou're doing great hold on we lose elasticity in our face we lose hair we skin sags and wrinkles wrinkles

Brian Atlaselasticity that's wrinkles the skin isn't as smooth there's marks on the skin what's the of this damage I'll get to it I'll get to it uh but last thing

Brian Atlaswith you uh you're 32 were you better looking or excuse me are you better looking now at 32 than you were at 22

Brian Atlasyes all right what about you uh you're 27 uh will you be oh okay I thought what just turned 26 last week okay 26 will

Brian Atlasyou be better looking uh at 36 than you are now at 26

Brian Atlascan you either like strain up or just scoot your mic this way a little bit yeah go ahead which one uh I'm going to I'm going to say no no okay uh and were

Madisonyou better looking at 18 as compared to Now 26 why not 16 uh you're a minor huh we probably shouldn't be commenting on your a on

Jordanyour looks as a what's the difference between the two years I thought we're going based off 10 years doesn't have to be 10 years okay so 18 versus now yeah that's that's the question just

Brian Atlasclarifying um okay I think I look better now okay than I did at 18 all right what about you you're 27 right yeah will you be better looking at 37 as compared to

Paytonhow you are now at 27 I think I'll be more matur looking I think I'm that's true I look a lot more younger than my age I hear that a lot and so I won't

Paytonhave as much of a baby face but I don't think I'll be more attractive okay uh and then do you think you're

Brian Atlasbetter looking at 18 as compared to now at 27 no cuz I was bigger I had more weight on me okay uh so you 47 do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 57 and then were you

Brian Atlasbetter looking at 37 as compared to now at 47 oh yeah better looking at uh 27 as compared to 37 no better looking at 18

Brian Atlasas compared to 27 no okay all right uh Liz 25 better will you be better looking at 35 as compared to now I feel like look pretty similar pretty similar okay

Brian Atlasuh better looking at 45 no okay and then uh Sarah will you be better looking in 10 years time as compared to now at 28 I honestly think

Brian Atlasso no confidence at all sorry sorry guys guys guys guys guys let her talk it's okay okay sorry repeat your answer please yeah I think I will better looking at 38 versus

Brian Atlasnow 28 what about uh 48 as compared to 28 probably not okay and then were you better looking at 18 as compared to now

Brian Atlasat 28 I've been told I look much better now okay and I would agree so I see okay

Sarahuh and you said you're a 10 I said everybody said all all uh all women are I think you said that right well I I thought like I I'm

Sarahsaying all these women are a 10 like I I like you see the full value of like all of them and their beauty yeah I don't so you guys are all equivalent when it

Sarahcomes to look there's not one girl here who's maybe a little better looking than the others well we're all of like different shapes sizes ages that doesn't

SarahI don't know can I use somebody as I also think that if you place like each individual's like can I use you as it yes I don't don't do it I won't be offended I promise sorry go ahead continue with your point I think if you

SarahI think if you like placed each individual person in front of like say like my like so my for me personally the people that I

Sarahvied opinion of me is like my friends the my significant other and the Lord and I think all of them would say given what they know about me that I am like an extremely beautiful person

Sarahotherwise why would they want relationship with me what do you mean like your personality or your looks I think well the GU we're talking about I was trying to respect the question because the guy put looks in capitals

Sarahbut I do I do know that beauty primarily for me has to do with

Sarahum personality values characteristics like you could be with somebody who's like absolutely gorgeous but they could

Sarahbe really like inconsiderate um lacking a lot of like values that you lack so you wouldn't see them as beautiful and I

Sarahthink with wisdom comes confidence that makes a person like uphold themselves and I think I I know for a fact that like confident people some there are

Sarahsome people that are not very attractive who have so much confidence that it kind of like amps up their number on the scale does that make sense talking about women or men

Brian Atlasboth while while I will agree well at least for men anyways while I'll agree with you that confidence in men will make a man more attractive in general I don't think it makes him more physically attractive

Brian Atlasnecessarily although certainly like you know if you carry your I will grant look I will grant for example somebody who scows all the time who's got Sour Puss

Brian Atlason their face who's frowning a lot RBF whatever uh this person is going to be appraised when it when we're talking about their looks is going to be appraised as less physically attractive

Brian Atlasthat somebody who's a bit more bubbly and effervescent and who has a more positive disposition I will grant that like having a positive outlook a

Brian Atlaspositive mental attitude um being happy smiling yeah these things will assist in your in in the appraise when it comes to

Brian Atlaslooks but uh not to like a degree where you can take like a really really

Brian Atlasunattractive woman and like a uh who's happy or whatever and like a 10 out of 10 model who's like got RBF or whatever

Brian Atlasthe PE like generally speaking people are still going to praise the woman who's a model as more physically attractive even if she's kind of got a scowl on her face yeah well like you can

Jordanbe attracted to somebody and it's not physical like you I mean you can feel attraction about somebody's mannerisms

Jordanor how they speak their voice anything and it might not even be physical MH and you can find something attractive about them but if we're talking like purely

Jordanphysical attraction I mean across the board people are going to be pretty um we have Universal standards of what's

Jordanattractive and what's MH not for most cases like symmetry like women having a small

Jordanjawline you know bigger eyes um higher eyebrows things like that flush cheeks mhm those are like Universal standards well let me ask this question related to

Brian Atlaslike the Aging component do you think that the average 35-year-old woman is hotter than the average 25-year-old

SPEAKER_08woman average no I don't know I don't know I actually don't don't no

Stacyno I'm G to say yes I yeah m n no no yes

Brian Atlasn yes mhm the average uh 35 or 45 you said 35 no I know but I'm switching it so do you think the average 45y old

Brian Atlaswoman is hotter than the average 25y old woman no anybody any takers on that one I hope that I beat the average but I'm going to say yeah but it's comparing

Brian Atlasaverage to average right yeah but I'm going to just say like average especially nowadays people do are not aging gracefully we should ask chat yo chat do

Brian Atlasyou think the average 35-year-old woman is hotter than the average 25y old woman I think the I don't even need to

Brian Atlasask I mean the answer is obvious the average 25y old woman is hotter than the average 35y old to men for sure to women

Brian Atlastoo 25 is like Prime probably 25 is prime yeah okay yeah sure what do you think is

Brian Atlasprime uh 18 between 18 and 25 like that age range is yeah Prim what what what's wrong with it you mean an adult woman

Brian Atlasyou mean an adult woman that's I don't think that's Prime well I said between 18 and 25 that's your looks

Jordanprime it fluctuates for different people yeah I guess I guess like maybe like now's generation yeah as opposed to when

Jordanas opposed to cuz I just feel like like people now are not aging as as well as like our ancestors oh I don't I mean I don't know have you thought about that but you ever

Stacysee these old videos of like people in high school in the '90s and they look old they look old you know I like the younger generation lot that people are

Stacydoing today that back then to to affect your looks yeah that is altering it so I definitely looked heck of a lot better in my 30s than I did my 20s that was my

StacyPrime okay but that's for like health reasons or um how I looked oh my confidence how I took care of myself I blossomed in my 30s my 20s I didn't care

Brian Atlasso much about myself here let me ask a different question as a woman gets older does do her dating options typically increase or decrease decrease for sure decrease

Brian Atlasdecrease okay I'll say decrease decrease decrease decrease decrease wait so hold on though if as a woman gets older her dating options

Jordandecrease doesn't this mean that they're less attractive no because men know that this older woman has way more standards she's way harder to get than the younger

Stacynaive this is actually not true at all really I reject the premise really young men like older women women who are confident they know what they want they don't play games sorry I think older

Paytonwomen are easier to get that's what I was just going to say I think as you grow older the less like high standards you have cuz you're getting older here's and here's my argument for it if you're not with anyone like here's my here's my

Brian Atlasargument for it right I think your standards ra I mean they should raise but you're saying so as women get older they become harder to get right is that

Jordanis that what you're saying um I don't know where my brain was going with that sorry um I think they are yes

Jordanthey're harder to get because these women now have much more standards and they're not willing to put up with games from these young dudes who want to play

Brian Atlasgames so they have much higher standards and even older dudes still play games okay so I guess I disagree though

Brian Atlasbecause so if it was if it was easier for so like you're let's talk 35 year olds right so you think for example a

Brian Atlas35y old is actually no let's do 30 and 20 do you think of 35 30y old man like the average average 35-year old

Brian Atlasman and then average 30-year old women average 20-y old woman who do you think he's going to he's going to have an easier time actually getting the 30 year

Jordanold or the 20-year-old easier easier time the 20-year-old yeah 100% 100% because men are not

Jordanintellectually as because men do not intellectually age IM mature as fast as women do so they're going to match with somebody who's kind of more on their

Pearllevel which is going to be the 20-year-old hold on younger women are easier to manipulate as well precisely and mold she'll put up with a lot

Brian AtlasMorey they don't expect much so but you're you're saying like I would argue I'm I would argue that younger women if you're an older

Jordanguy younger women are harder to get than women your own age what wait old men don't want women their own age they want younger women

Brian Atlasyeah what do you mean older men want younger women but what I'm saying is in order for a 30-year-old guy to date a 20-year-old he can't just be the average

Brian Atlas30-year-old guy for him to be able to trct a 20 like a 20-year-old he's going to have to bring like he's going to have to be attractive exceedingly attractive in some

LizMetric yes yeah he's got to bring something he's got to bring he's got to bring he's got to bring money got got a nice car he's got it would be different if it was just like a one night stand it's like okay yeah whatever but looking

Jordanto like date then like yeah she's going to look for something he could but he could have he could hook up Pro pretty easily yeah he could hook up pretty

Brian Atlaseasily with a no any average 30-year-old it's not true I think it's true I've seen it on you think a 30-year-old has a better chance a 20-year-old than another

Brian Atlas30-year-old yeah yeah who maybe a 25-year-old for you maybe that's is that your or something like no it's I would argue

Brian Atlasmost most men aren most 30-year-old men are not going to be attractive enough to a because like here's the thing I would

Brian Atlasargue that a 20-year-old woman is going to need like a lot more for her to be willing to date that 30-year-old like he can't just be if she's an average 20-year-old he's going to have to like

Brian Atlasexcel in some sort of metric of attraction to be able to date her but he's 30 but like he's like 25 so he's going to go for the 20-year-old okay she's 5 years

Stacyyounger looks play a huge thing here though cuz your average 20-year-old if she's not very I don't want to say not very attractive but if she definitely is not the girl who got the guys all the

Stacytime she is going to easier be with that 30 their average 30-year-old if you're someone who's always been able to get the guy because you're just hot then you're not going to go for that average

Payton30-year-old unless he's got something to bring now if he's a hot 30 y old then yes can I ask unfortunately looks play huge part in this what's up I want to

Paytonask her a personal question are you like pretty younger than your husband or yeah seven years younger okay cuz I was just seeing where you're head was at with the

Brian Atlassaying how they're a lot less mature and this is true though men mature a lot slower than women do also you mentioned manip younger women are easier to

Brian Atlasmanipulate but then you also said that women as they age have less options you remember saying that mhm so aren't you harder to manipulate if you have more

Pearloptions and don't the people that have more options tend to be younger women and so are you harder to manipulate when you have more options if you have more

Brian Atlasoptions you're harder to manipulate 100% correlated 100% I don't think that that's for example I don't agree with the premise but Okay cool so you're saying Young men like younger women because younger

Brian Atlaswomen are easier to manipulate I think that that's easier to get you said manipulate so I'll go with that no yeah manipulate yeah yeah well I disagree

Brian Atlasthat that older women are harder to get or that younger women are easier to manipulate so first off I don't think anybody should be manipulating anybody

Brian Atlasbut I could for example provide I could provide this a woman who's 35 who's like I want to have children my options are dwindling don't have kids

Brian Atlasyet not even dating a guy she's much more likely I think I think because she realized time is ticking she has far less time to secure a

Brian Atlasman you could just make the argument she's easier to manipulate because she's like I gotta get I got to get a guy I gotta I gotta find a guy time's running

Brian Atlasout can you just make the argument she's easier to manipulate you can make that argument arent yeah I just did do I are you asking if I agree with that you disagree no I don't agree with that huh interesting how that

Jordanworks that we might disagree on something um so okay as you get older you're supposed to learn from your experiences so if you're 35 and getting

Pearlmanipulated by some dude yeah that's not going to happen come on she might be a more desperate she might be in a in a more desperate situation but she's not easier to

Pearlyounger women are easier to manipulate but not more desperate those two things are those are two separate things desperate doesn't mean you'll take anything it means you're you want to take fine I'll I'll engage with that how would one manipulate a younger woman

Pearljust because she doesn't know as much you could promise her the world but she might just believe words instead of actions whereas an older woman be like I've been through that I've done that I'm going to see what you do not what you just say she might be like I really want to get married right now and I want

Pearlto start having kids but I'm not going to settle someone who that that would make her easier to manipulate that's not easier to manipulate that's just some make her easier to manipulate I think let me let me just I I'll I'll tell you

Brian Atlaswhy so a younger woman might be more inclined to like well I don't want kids yet I don't want to really settle down I just want to have fun I'm in my 20s it just trying to have fun whatever

Brian Atlasmaybe she's casually dating uh promising her the world doesn't mean but promising the world to a woman who's like I need to settle down she's easier

Brian Atlasto manipulate right there because she wants that whereas the 20-year-old oh you want to be a provider don't give a these 20-year-old girls oh you want to be a provider don't

Brian Atlascare I want the hot college dude don't care I think that all of these situations wa wait wait wait one more question one more question hold on one more question do you think when women are younger they care more about looks

Brian Atlasthan provide than the male who can provide uh probably think college girls care more about looks or a guy who can provide probably about looks when you're younger okay so you can't promise a

Pearl20-year-old girl the world cuz they don't give a right they don't care I mean they still care I mean it doesn't it just depends do you give a about if a guy can provide for you when you're 18 right no you give a if a guy can

Brian Atlasprovide for you you probably care more if he's like fun and cool and good-look right okay W thank you Morgan I I mean I don't disag but the 35y old woman who's

Jordanalso she wants a cool fun guy who she gets along with she doesn't care that the 35-year-old woman who's desperate is going through a screening process she's going on these dates she's like do you

Jordanhave a house what's your credit what's your credit score du D and if a woman you have baby mama drama and if any of that and if if you're not passing those tests you're out you're out and if a

Stacywoman is doing something right as she gets older she already has everything she needs right I you have the house you have the good job you have the money coming in I'm not going to just take somebody anybody if she's waited that

Pearllong too to find somebody she's just not going to settle she's not easily manipulated yeah so what does it even what does it mean to manipulate somebody though I don't even know what does that

Jordanlook like how would I manipulate a 20-year-old woman that like I can't manipulate a 30 I'm just confused because the 20-year-old doesn't have as

Jordanmuch experience she hasn't so she might be getting manipulated without even realizing it like emot believes that you say without knowing

Madisonbecause she knows what she wants during that time it's not manipulation though that's what she's choosing to do wait what did you say it's not really manipulation if that's what she chooses

Jordanto do and that's what she wants to get herself right but manipulation is saying one thing and then then doing another like he's saying I'm going to promise you x y and z he realizes 2 years later

Sarahman this guy really ain't worth can I add something yeah please so um I think that the length of the relationship plays a huge part too

Sarahbecause I think I think that two girls can meet a guy and the guy can okay let's say that there's a guy and he is dating the 30-year-old and the 20-year-old at the same time he's playing a completely different game but still manipulating both of them I think

Sarahthe relationship with the 20-year-old will last a lot longer because the 30-year-old is not going to be able to read into or she will be able to read into things much more quickly like see his see where things because you just

Sarahgain wisdom as you grow older and experience things especially over the course of 10 years mhm facts while while I would tend to agree with you that as you've as you gain

Brian Atlasexperience you're perhaps more impervious to manipulation but her claim was men want to date younger women because they're easier to manipulate I don't see any evidence I don't see any

Pearlevidence of want that I think that's why it happens it might not be conscious I think that men want to date younger women because they're like oh she has perky ass tits and she's youngl looking I think that that's why men want to date young women because of pretty much their

Pearlbiological Drive whether they're aware of it or not I think they get women because they're easier to manipulate they have lower standards they don't have as much experience

Brian Atlasthey get the women because the women are more easily manipulated is that what you're saying yeah they're easier to get when they're younger so wait easier to get equals

Pearlmanipulated uh I'm you use the word manipulated I think younger women are easier to manipulate

Pearlso what does that have to do with a guy who's uh men's attraction to younger women I mean I I think that it's easier for them to get younger women because they're easier to manipulate like

Pearlthey're easier to impress you know what I'm saying like a a younger woman might be like oh my God he drives a Porsche and he has money d d d it's like a lad and takes down the carpet she's like whereas the older woman would be like I don't give a what kind of car you

Pearldrive like are you a good per like you know what I'm saying like it's just not going to be wants to get down no I still care about the car he drives I don't agree with that oh yeah sure Mak two of

Brian Atlasus I husband drives I mean going back to to Morgan's example here Morgan's 18 that's right she's probably not overly preoccupied with like wow does he like

Brian Atlasdoes he have like some Penthouse apartment like most young women who are in college will date the dude who lives in a dorm room will date the dude who's got like three roommates three housemates it's older women who are

Brian Atlasgoing to have higher expectations they want a guy who has his own house they want a guy who has his own car a 18 19 20-year-old girl will date a dude who takes the bus would it be perhaps they might have a preference it might be

Pearlnicer if he has his own car yeah but this idea that women who are older don't care about the material things I think if there's a young guy who's good-looking he doesn't really have a

Pearllot going on for him necessarily yeah a young girl's probably not going to be as like no I'm not going to date you but that guy's pursuing her another guy who's 30 is also pursuing her but he has

Pearla car and house and more money she's probably going to pick him if he's also good-looking I actually disagree Grant if she was given the choice yeah given the choice between the choice between

Pearlthe better looking young guy like if he's still a good-look older guy he's not like ugly as but he's Rich it's like he's still good-looking you know well the thing is though the thing is

Brian Atlasthough is here's the thing so I don't think that's the case because there's not there is not a uh lack of

Brian Atlasmen who are in their late 20s or 30s who are well off or have jobs whatever who would love to date an attractive 20-year-old baddy but it seems to me that most

Brian Atlas20-year-old women there are some 20-year-old women no problem we'll date an older guy most 20-year-old women probably want to date men around their age 21 and we know this

Brian Atlasbecause those are the men that they're dating in in relationships with and sleeping with yeah women I'm saying it doesn't happen they're same age but you think if if we were to

Brian Atlaspull um if we were to pull all the 20-year-old women what's the distribution of them who who are dating like a guy between

Brian Atlasthe age of 20 and 22 and then what's the distribution of them who are dating men in their 30s it's probably like less than 5% of

Jordanthem are dating men in their 30s and then 95% of them are dating men their age probably but I think more of them

Brian Atlasare dating of a guy at least a year older or somewhat older I mean we don't know is it but I don't really one year older two years old age Gap I don't

Brian Atlasconsider that an age Gap a 20 20-year-old dating a 21y old is an age Gap it's not really okay yeah they were she he was born a day before

Brian Atlasher this Predator this Predator piece of there's a 24-hour gap between they were born

Jordanso what would you consider a gap want to manipulate this younger this 24hour younger uh what gives me the ick what's that go ahead what would you

Brian Atlasconsider an age Gap like 5 years and more uh sure okay sure I think yeah over five I'm curious what the numbers actually

Brian Atlasare but I mean I do want to answer the question of the women who are 20 who are in who are like seeing somebody dating a guy hooking up with a guy MH you think

Brian Atlasmore often than not it's like a guy around their age as compared to like a guy in his late 20s early 30s or older say it's like 95 within 5 years 95% they're probably dating yeah L are

Paytonlooking for someone to pay for their college right yeah also that's what I was going to say a lot of the time when it's a really big age Gap and the woman is a lot younger she's usually there for other like ulterior motives than just

Brian Atlaswanting to be with him uh maybe if it's really big like if it if it gets like 20 plus like 2040 there's probably a monetary thing but I

Brian Atlasthink like 20 and like L late 20s early 30s no that that's not necessarily money like he could just be like really attractive guy in this yeah so

Brian Atlasgood talk good talk but really 10 10 all tens I'm sorry I got to I can't can't Grant it can't Grant I'll just say this there's no tens

Stacyat the table that's okay do you want to talk about it we can talk you want to talk about it you feeling okay see I can give youy session

StacyBR now you want to talk who Pearl broke yeah she broke you she broke through the rough exterior and now now you you you're just overl feel I know I'm going to grow he

Brian Atlasinitiating since when did you care going to get a man bun or something I don't know uh let's see we got some

Jordanchats uh Jordan if you can read these look I never said a man shouldn't love his wife just said a woman should be as God says when you all say he used

Stacythe Bible that's a low below you don't know me I am watching you wait what obviously creep you are he is you're pay to watch

Stacyus I'm dead but yeah but he's only choosing one part of it until we brought the other part unfortunately men tend to want to only bring up one part of it

Pearlyeah to what benefit that's facts uh Pearl won't you read this one's about to disappear so just read this next one young impressionable women fall for this degenerate media and behavior

Pearlthat can be extracted from it 16 impregnant other vanity projects to workp our youth indoctrinated n good go ahead and read this one all T's at the table if you're truly a 10 there should be no need for makeup would you be

Sarahwilling to get the wipes and shows what 10 could look like oh my God please no do we have any makeup wi I'm not I refuse to use makeup WIP ref you refuse

Sarahyeah but I only refuse because like I already have messed with my skin enough okay they can you guys can I know

Brian Atlasyou're beautiful which tweet oh the makeup one I've already done on my first one it just accentuates your natural

Lizfeatures oh man that's actually this is obviously an exaggeration though yeah there's no way that's like hecka she's like trying she had no eyebrows she had eyebrows whatever okay there's a

Jordandifference between natural gland and Full Beat Glam anybody willing to remove their makeup the tens I already did it oh yeah you did do that one I did we didn't write uh Pearl can you read

Pearlthis one you did I did on the first one com from a 30-year-old guy who owns his who owns his own business that had his wife leave him women have so many options it's been 2 years and I don't date because women don't hold the same standards as

Brian Atlasmen okay simple Acorn thank you man appreciate it actually going back to that one um you guys said that like as a woman gets older like her standards

Sarahincrease I don't shouldn't it be the reverse so I completely actually disagree because like knowing that there are like women who love God at the table

Sarahlike there's something in the Bible that says if you're equally yolked you're like your values will be enough to to allow you to work in a relationship regardless of age or regardless of circumstance regardless of this that I

Sarahthink that in order to support each other in like your work that you're doing under God's influence like to encourage each other there are better matches But

Sarahultimately if you guys like are obeying God to the same extent in in like following all of his instructions there should not be an issue like at all so like the standard thing is kind of wiped

Stacyoff like it's you know what I mean I don't know if you guys if you guys have anything to add to that well the unequally yolked is definitely part of it but the thing is is we also as we get

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