Feminist WANTS Traditional Man?! SHAMES "Cheap" Men Who DO NOT Pay For Dates?! | Dating Talk #190

Date: 2024-08-26

Duration: 7h 16m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPayton (pay_irl)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_02Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_12Stacy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ava(guest)

Key Moments

OtherPearl Bots sings "At Last" live on the show; studied opera (coloratura soprano).

“Brian asks Pearl to sing. She performs "At Last" (Etta James). Brian then requests Queen of the Night (Magic Flute). Pearl declines without extra compensation.”

OtherPearl's viral TikTok demonstrated live: "I use this hack to shame cheap men who split the bill."

“Brian pulls up NY Post article covering Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views). Pearl performs the bit: when man wants to split, she says "Oh I didn't know this was a friend date." Pearl clarifies she didn't intend it as an actionable hack, just content.”

ControversyBrian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership: wants man to lead on dates but rejects leadership when inconvenient.

“Brian points out Pearl appreciates a man who initiates, plans, and pays for dates, but resists deferring on the bikini-at-party issue. "You only want a leader when it benefits you." Pearl responds with a yin-yang model of leadership in relationships.”

ControversyExtended role-play debate: Pearl demands Brian explain WHY he doesn't want her at the party.

“Brian role-plays as Pearl's boyfriend saying "no" to her attending a party. Pearl keeps asking for more explanation. Brian argues "no" is a sufficient sentence from a leader. Pearl argues good leadership communicates reasoning. Brian accuses her of only wanting leadership when it benefits her.”

OtherPearl refuses to give a numeric self-rating, arguing women should think of themselves as tens.

“Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10. Pearl refuses to give a number, arguing women should operate with a "10 mindset" for confidence. Extended debate with Brian and Jordan about whether this is healthy vs delusional.”

OtherPearl announces she is a feminist; Brian and Payton push back given her preference for men to pay.

“Pearl calls herself a feminist (soft/equity definition). Payton says she is anti-feminist. Brian says Pearl's feminism is inconsistent with wanting men to pay for dates. "Just be a feminist you're a focus" — Brian says she can't have it both ways.”

OtherBody count round: Pearl 7, Jordan 7, Sarah 3; others decline.

“Viewer TTS prompts body count discussion. Jordan body count: 7 (from TTS readback). Pearl: 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy, Liz, Ava, and Madison decline to answer.”

OtherBrian reads live a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor; Madison helped write it.

“Brian recounts texting an ex about personal hygiene (vaginal odor). He reads the text verbatim. Madison helped craft it. Woman he texted broke off contact after receiving the message.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show with standard announcements. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pearl sings "At Last" (Etta James) at Brian's request; also studied opera. Jordan, Payton, Stacy, Liz, Sarah, Madison, Ava each introduce themselves.

Relationship status round

Pearl: dating exclusively ~2 months (not official). Jordan: married 6 years. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years (Catholic; returning guest, discussed before). Stacy: married 21.5 years. Liz: newly single ~3 weeks (broke up with Navy man stationed in Japan after visiting). Sarah: single; has 2 sons from an on-off relationship. Madison: in ~2-year relationship. Ava: in 5-year relationship.

Bikini/party debate: should girlfriends go to parties in bikinis?

Discussion triggered by viewer donation about girlfriend going to pool party in bikini against his wishes. Brian argues commitment-minded men reasonably limit girlfriends' attendance at singles-oriented social events. Pearl pushes back on "no" without explanation being sufficient leadership communication. Jordan and Stacy agree women should defer to partner's preferences. Role play between Brian and Pearl on the communication of a "no" in a relationship. Debate on whether women's indirect flirting (posting, going out) is analogous to men approaching.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Viewer "Stiffler" requests self-ratings. Pearl: refuses numeric, says she considers herself a 10 philosophically. Payton: delusional 10, realistic 5. Stacy: no numeric (all women are 10s framing via Sarah). Viewer TTS: Jordan body count [?], Pearl body count 7. Debate on whether women should think of themselves as 10s for confidence vs delusion.

Aging and female attractiveness

Are guests better looking now than 10 years ago? Will they be better looking in 10 years? Pearl (32): thinks she'll still be a 10 at 52. Jordan (26): thinks she looks better now. Stacy (47): confirmed better looking in youth. Brian argues biology causes female attractiveness to peak and decline.

Age gap relationships

Discussion of what constitutes an age gap (5+ years per consensus). Payton mentions older men who date younger women may be seeking someone to fund their college. Brian distinguishes comfort/guidance attraction from exploitation.

Pearl's viral TikTok: shaming men who want to split the bill

Brian pulls up NY Post article about Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views): "I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill." Pearl demonstrates the TikTok bit: "Oh I didn't know you wanted to just be friends." Discussion of who should pay on a first date. All panelists: man should pay if he asked her out. Pearl: expects first date to be paid for, does not recommend the hack per se. Brian asks Pearl to reconcile feminist self-identification with wanting men to pay.

Women in the military / draft debate

Should women be drafted? Payton: yes (equality argument), but anti-feminist overall. Sarah: yes, drafted equally. Jordan: believes women have important role at home (especially mothers). Stacy: nuanced — both parents shouldn't be drafted from same family. Brian: supports drafting women as equality issue.

Makeup: deception or self-care?

Is wearing makeup deceptive to men? Brian argues full-face makeup is more deceptive than minimal makeup. Push-up bras mentioned similarly. Jordan: there's a difference between natural and full-beat glam. Some guests willing to remove makeup on camera; Brian says he already rated them with it on.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather be alone with a random man or a random bear in the forest? Most guests choose bear, citing the viral TikTok. Liz says she'd pick bear but acknowledges she was influenced by the video. Ava (podcast staff) chooses man. Brian and panel discuss what percentage of men would actually harm a woman.

Feminist identity debate: Pearl vs panel

Brian challenges Pearl on calling herself a feminist while wanting men to pay for dates. Pearl clarifies she is a soft/equity feminist, not an equality-of-outcome feminist. Payton declares herself anti-feminist (does not believe in modern feminism). Brian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership benefits without accepting leadership constraints.

Body count discussion

Does body count matter? Jordan: body count 7 (stated via TTS readback). Pearl: body count 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy and Ava: no comment. Madison declined to answer. Majority of panel said body count matters in some degree.

Telling a partner uncomfortable truths

Brian shares a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor — reads it live. Madison helped him write it. Panel discusses how to tell a friend or partner uncomfortable truths about weight, hygiene, etc. Payton: would tell a friend directly if they were gaining too much weight. WW1 trivia round closes the show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas$1,000 pop champagne yo thank you great show Brian yo thank you brother all right thank you man really appreciate dude you're uh you're uh hold on let me

Brian Atlasuh He's a brave and a decent man he's a pioneer he's a Pioneer if you guys want to check out his YouTube channel by the way back to the roots appreciate it thank we got champagne do we drink is

Brian Atlaseverybody over everybody's over 21 except for Madison here sorry M dou baby I don't want it uh I think you're going ahead with your point go ahead oh I mean

Pearlyeah I would I was just saying that like for me wearing a bikini is like an act of self-love and self-confidence and at the same time yeah if I was going which I just wouldn't go to but if I was going

Pearlto some party with a bunch of like single guys looking to connect with girls like I probably would dress a little bit differently if I was with a man like I I probably would I wouldn't

Pearlwear like my sexiest bikini I'd probably be a little bit more a little bit more modest I probably would um but I think it would be ineective for my man to say

Stacydon't go to that party so can we get cups I got the champag bottle but as he opens now you know there's not to say the times that your man don't want you to dress a certain type of way too when

Pearlyou go out so but at that point you're with dring for him right and that's totally fine I think it's fair for a man to say like don't don't

Pearldress for the same things and in the same way when you're with me you have my attention why do you need the attention of other people I and it's not even to say that if he leaves to go to the restroom that a man may not even come approach and even see that you were with

Pearlanother man yeah no that happens all the time but I think that if a man is insecure he will try to be controlling and say don't wear this don't wear this don't wear this like it's a balance it's a balance it's a give and take and I get

Paytonwhat you're saying but also I think if you asked like a a bunch of men what they thought when they saw a woman in a bikini like what their thoughts on it I think they would all agree that they think that they're doing it for other

Pearlpeople other than themselves well that is their that's them why am I living for the opinions and thoughts of a bunch of men like I'm I'm going to live for my own opinion and my own self-confidence and my own self-worth and of course take

Paytoninto consideration the person that I'm dating but doesn't that go against what you just said earlier what does about how you were saying that when you're raised you're

Paytonraised to be good and then Brian said well doesn't it seem more like women are raised to think about themselves and then you just said that you're living for yourself you don't you're not thinking about other people's opinion

Pearlfor me I was not raised to put myself in the center I was raised to put everybody else my dad's opinion and all everybody's opinion above my own and for me growth is learning how to actually

Pearlthink oh you know what do what do I want to wear in this moment you know what do how can I live in such a way that actually honors my own opinion and that I'm actually thinking about myself for

Jordanthe first time really quick just show of hands who wants champagne I do we all have free will as a woman even if you're married you have free will of what

Jordanyou're going to wear at the end of the day like my man should even be in a position to have to tell me don't wear that because I have the free will to not

Jordanwear that because I have the free will to honor him if that makes any sense so at the end of the day it's okay to be confident like listen I'm a personal

Jordantrainer I want my body to look good clearly but it's not for the attention of other people and I shouldn't make it known that it's for the attention of other people and I think when you're

Jordanespecially when you're married like and I think now that I'm married I I I do understand like you have to your body has to be it it it's for your man and so you have to honor

Pearlthat and you have to be respectful of that at the end of the day so if your man was like if your man was like don't wear leggings I want you to only wear sweatpants because it makes me feel uncomfortable would you be like sure no

Jordanquestion I mean no I I think we'd have to have like a conversation about that why he feels that way he'd be like I don't like how men are always looking at your fat juicy ass well I'd be like well they're going to look at it no matter what I mean they're going to look at are

Pearlgoing to look at it and he's like yeah but it's it's it's more prominent and it looks like you're dressing more for quick Interruption here uh Salo Sal uh cheers too back to the roots

Pearlthank you man thank you for the champagne pop your Legend sir I guess I just feel like this podcast honestly Brian this is an incredible podcast how many subscribers do you have thank you how many subscribers you have like 4

Pearlmillion or some four oh 4.4 like that is as a as someone who's in the online space like that's obviously a huge feat obviously you're

Pearlraking in the money someone just sent in a grand I'm a starving college student like that is so struggling amazing and at the same time I feel like it's equally difficult to know how to be a

Pearlgood woman and how to be a good man and I know that there are a lot of people tuning in to watch these shows and I just I guess I fear that all of these

Pearlpeople who are watching are just getting like riled up to hate on each other and hate on the Sexes when really like we need one another to see it from a

Pearldifferent perspective and how we communicate um our intentions and and our desires like saying don't wear that like that's just not going to be an effective conversation but that's

Brian Atlaseffective wait that's super effective if I've got a girlfriend and I say don't do something she says yes

SPEAKER_00sir I mean that's that's super effective don't do this okay perfect communication right

SPEAKER_00$200 take into consideration the person I'm dating that statement says that you wouldn't have respect for a man in your life a man in your life seems like a superficial add-on to what outfit you

Brian Atlaswant yo kill of Serial appreciate it bro statement says that you wouldn't have respect for men in your life man in your life seems like a superficial add-on to what outfit you want we have another one

SPEAKER_00coming through so I'm going to just allow it right now Hillary Epstein epin 00 Bo thank you bro not at all we don't argue we debate we don't argue we debate

Jordanwhat's this in reference to I totally forgot can i r address her question though I think she needs to finish her statement though

Pearlum sorry Jordan love you I guess not in not in that way no I didn't that listen I just like I was like whoo who I guess if you want a woman it

Pearldepends what kind of woman you want like if you want a woman who's self assured who has selfworth who has high self-confidence and who wants like a relationship or a partnership where there's like equal give and take I feel

Pearllike a woman like that is going to have a hard time being in a relationship with someone who says don't do that and immediately without any discussion she says yes or no wait but hold on hold on and we're going to get to your your

Brian Atlasviral Tik Tok that we'll we'll bring it back up there's a Tik Tok but I mean like you said you said partnership did you did the words equal did you say equal give and take give and take equal

Pearlgive and take give and take do you really want a partnership do you really want equal um I don't I think that a relationship is two people with

Pearldifferent sets of strengths helping each other grow but so do you want a guy to lead I think uh that yes I would like a

Pearlman who has vision for his life and he has ambition for his life and that that ambition and that vision is something that I am also that we're going in the

Pearlsame direction so that we can partner together in that in that way are you talking like career no just like life overall it includes career for sure but but I'm asking do you want a guy to lead

Pearldo you want a leader in your relationship I think that I'm attracted to leadership qualities yeah but do I want him to direct everything that I say and think no I want I think well yeah you have autonomy you have autonomy I do

Pearlwant leadership and I think that good leadership is one that is like oh like what what do you think is there something that I might be missing is there something that I don't understand right that's taking taking everything

Brian Atlasthat I think into consideration also respects you can take into consideration you can even consult there can be thorough consultation but isn't it the case that

Brian Atlasthe leader makes the final determination and if the final determination is no know about something that I can and cannot do like sure like wear something

Brian Atlasor not wear something you just said you want a leader right so is a leader to you the only entailment of what a leader is is only when you agree or are there

Brian Atlasinstances when a leader will make a determination that perhaps you personally disagree with but you have to defer to their leadership I think it depends on what the subject is for

Pearlinstance the guy you going to a pool party in a bikini or a pool party period can I ask something wait let her finish I think that good leadership knows what it strengths are and knows what its

Brian Atlasweaknesses are my my strength as the leader of the relationship is um protecting the

Pearlrelationship okay by proc cluding you from going to essentially a single event singles event well we're not dating and I would never date someone who has that ideal so to me for instance I'm dating

Pearlsomebody who has more financial literacy than me okay so if we're talking about something Finance based and he's like don't do that I'm going to defer to him because he knows more but in a situation

Pearllike a social situation where I might be wearing something that makes him feel uncomfortable it's going to be a give and take and if he was like no don't do that because I'm uncomfortable with it I would have it'd be a conversation what

Brian Atlaswhat is there to what what's the conversation I would say why are why do you feel uncomfortable with that I think you know when it comes sometimes to conversations like this I think no is a

Brian Atlasone-word sentence I don't need to justify my reason I can just say no and that should be it and that's why we're not dating that comes across that comes across a

Brian Atlasdictatorship that's what honestly that's what a relationship should be no that's like what you want and that's fine then find a woman who won't talk back to you no I shouldn't I shouldn't have to for

Brian Atlassomething like this I don't think it's necessary for me to have to justify my reasoning then find a girl who wants that that's right or you think that all

Pearlmale and women and female relationships should be exactly like that where men say no and women say okay whatever you want no questions asked so long as women

Brian Atlascontinue to demand leadership qualities when said leadership qualities stand to benefit you for example you said that in your the guy you're dating right now you

Brian Atlasenjoyed the leadership qualities the initiative qualities when it came to he asked you out he planned the date he paid for the date he moved things forward he went for the first kiss you love it when men are leaders in that

Brian Atlasregard you only want leadership when it benefits you right you don't want the other component of leadership when you have to defer to him in other situations so you only want a leader when it

Brian Atlasbenefits you when it doesn't benefit you all of a sudden it's 50/50 you want equality in order for you to be with a leader you need to be a follower Point Blank

Pearlperiod um I think that that is a very black and white way of thinking about leadership ship I think that there are ways that you can lead that allows a little bit more give and take than what

Pearlyou're than how you're thinking I feel like it's I think I think what you are are you are wanting and what you think is one person is compl in complete and

Pearltotal leader leadership and one person in is in complete and total submission if that's what you want and you want a girl who also wants that then go for it I personally take sound like a good deal

PearlI take more of a yin-yang approach meaning the man leads in in most ways and then in some ways we have more discussion and then in some ways I take

Brian Atlasthe leadership so equality like the buffet of equality you pick and choose what you want the equality that benefits you you disregard the equality that doesn't benit the ways in which I

Pearlfeminism basically the ways in which I lead in the relationship he benefits from those how do you lead in the relationship um I mean by having insights and discussions about things instead of just completely

Pearlleading okay well I'm what's the Insight what's the inside well for instance if we had if we had a discussion about if he was uncomfortable something that ID wear I don't think it would be something where

Brian Atlashe says I'm uncomfortable and I'm like sure no problem you know what I mean you'd have to receive justification we'd have a discussion about it yeah and then you'd be like well you're a Pansy and

Brian Atlasinsecure for feeling this way continue words in my mouth that's not what I say okay fine I'm not being fair you would just Contin like continuously Badger and Badger and like

Brian Atlaskeep trying to seek the justification why do like why would I have to say more than don't do it this makes me uncomfortable I don't even think you

Brian Atlasneed the the this makes me uncomfortable I think the don't do it is sufficient okay then you do then go ahead and do that what would be okay

Pearlwe'll role play we'll role play as your boyfriend okay so I don't want you to wear that makes me uncomfortable oh okay what what about it makes you uncomfortable too revealing

Pearloh it's too revealing and you don't want me to wear something too revealing because I just I don't know don't like it you don't know and you don't like it is there a way in which we can get to

Pearlyou being able to articulate how you're feeling because your feelings really matter to me and I want to make sure that you feel comfortable but what you're giving me isn't enough and I just just want to make sure that I am that we

Brian Atlashave good communication so can you go into a little bit more depth about why that makes you feel uncomfortable I just vaguely feel uncomfortable with it you vaguely feel uncomfortable I can't I mean I don't know how else to precisely

Pearlarticulate this I know with certainty I feel uncomfortable with it don't want you to go out to the party okay so so you don't want to communicate to me why

Pearlor you don't know I just did I don't know what else you want me to tell you I guess I want you to say why you feel uncomfortable with me going is it because you think that I'm dressing for

Brian Atlasother men uh I just think it's when it comes to this it's a boundary that remains a reasonable dating standard for

Pearlcommitment minded men okay so the way in which I'm dressing makes you feel like it's inappropriate for our relationship

Pearlcorrect okay yeah okay so do you agree to not go to the party uh uh because I'm uncomfortable I think that this is a further discussion about our long-term

Brian Atlascompatibility okay so you you're essentially preempting the breakup then well I would say if I'm with someone who doesn't know how to communicate what he's feeling just we're not how did I not communicate I'm literally

Pearlcommunicating I know we're still role playing a little bit but I mean yeah if that's what you think communication is I guess I'm looking for a deeper level of uh self-awareness and self understanding and communication which means we're

Brian Atlasprobably not this is a standard that I want in the partner you're going out to this party don't want you at the party here I'll I'll I'll add more so frequently women will go to this party even if you have no intention of talking

Brian Atlasto other men men are going to come up to you there's potentially creepy men at this party they could try to you know put something in your drink I'm aware of this this is a complaint that a lot of women have I'm doing this to protect the

Brian Atlasrelationship and as my role is protecting the relationship I'm trying to protect you too m i don't want something bad to happen to this party yeah okay I don't want you to go to it you don't want me to go to it because

Pearlyou you care about me and you don't want to see me get hurt I care about you I care about your safety and I care about the relationship yeah yeah okay still going to the party I mean if

Pearlit makes you that are you still going to the party if it makes you that uncomfortable because you really you actually are scared for my safety like are there reasons that make this party make you feel more uncomfortable than

Pearlthe party I went to last week or whatever oh you went to party last week oh you didn't tell me about that later I'm out he's going in uh yeah I'm just saying like whoever

PearlI choose as a partner if they're actually if it's not coming from insecurity it's not becoming because it's not because of distrust it's not because of insecurity it's genuinely for

Pearlmy protection then I'm like oh I'm I'm open to hearing from you and I'm open to not going because this is a discussion that we're having but if I sense that it's out of lack of self-awareness lack

Pearlof and because of their insecurity then I'm like let's tease that out a little bit because I don't think that it's good to have a relationship where the other person feels insecure if it truly is like if you why is that an

Pearlinsecurity if it's an insecurity because I'm going to get male attention you don't like that then that's an insecurity because I'm like like my man trust me like I'm all about you like I'm not doing this for you at all like I

Pearlwant you to have trust for me and if he's like oh yeah like let me reflect on that that is because of my insecurity then we could have that discussion but if it's truly about my protection and he's like listen I know the kinds of

Pearlguys who are there like that outfit makes me so it's all about how you communicate it if he communicates into a way that's with sincere love and and like protection for me then I'm like listen I don't understand but you

Pearlobviously are a man you know how men think and like we have a secure thing and like you're really the guy I'm if I'm the the guy that I'm dating right now he's so self-aware he's so good at communication he's so trustworthy like

Pearlhe's amazing so I ask you a question if he was like yeah in a second if he was like please do not go to that party dress like that like it is not going to go well for you and I just feel so uncomfortable I would be like I might

Brian Atlasnot fully understand that but it seems to me like this isn't coming out of insecurity it's coming from protection from me okay like I I'll I'll I get that before I have her come in I'll just say what you call insec

PaytonI call having a standard I call having a boundary go ahead um so earlier when we got the question about what is your ideal you know date or whatever and you

Paytonsaid something along the lines of a man who is equally masculine and feminine I said balanced feminine and masculine energy okay would you describe your

Pearlcurrent boyfriend as feminine I would describe him as masculine but he has feminine um energy as well okay that's all I want F yeah he's very masculine

LizLiz did you have something from earlier yeah I I had um I guess like not every situation comes down to trust it's about a respect aspect what you where you go is reflects your man and if

Lizyou're going out there and everyone's like you're like bro I saw your girl at the club last week I saw your girl at a party like what the heck is she doing there blah blah like it makes your man look bad MH so mhm in the Bible it says

Stacyavoid all appearances of evil yeah so that's where she's going with that is that nobody when if somebody sees you out doing that they don't need to know anything about you they don't need to

Pearlknow why you went who you went if that was the second third outfit you put on they're going to form their own opinions well yeah I I think honestly and I think that it's it's somewhere in between I

Pearldon't think that it's a this or that thing like if my my best friend is having her Bachelor at and we're all going out I'm not going to not go because someone might think that I'm doing something with my man me

Pearlpersonally I don't like environments like that I don't like I don't like un like I don't want a ton of male attention I like to dress in a more

Pearlclassy way like that's just my opin like that's just how I am so I don't think I would ever have that issue but I don't think that it's at the same time I just

Pearlthink the way in which you approach a conversation matters and by saying no and the person saying okay fine wait what's actually wrong with that what what is actually wrong with a guy just

Pearlsaying no well I personally just don't like people who don't communicate that is communication in a way that that's literally communication yeah this is so

Pearlserious to me I don't even need to justify it okay well I feel like that would be like something that would kind of come up at the beginning and for me a

Pearlone word answer a one-word answer that doesn't have like I guess uh a deep understanding of why like if that's already a thing that's like communicated between the two of you and it's like

Brian Atlaswhen you say no I know exactly what that means byy right wait does this also just curious I know this is a little off top maybe somewhat on I mean if do we extend the same logic to like consent what do

Brian Atlasyou mean so like does a girl need to justify her no is that a reach I don't think that's a chat is that a reach I don't think

Pearlthat's a reach those are very very very different things if a woman is saying no you can't have access to me in this way then a man should say no but you're saying no don't do like you're telling the woman about her

Brian Atlasbehavior right I know you can say no if a woman's like I want to come on to you and you're like no that's totally okay yes it doesn't map on one to one but I'm more so trying to probe the logic of you

Pearlneed to be able to communicate sometimes communicating no is completely appropriate sometimes communicating no needs more it needs to be fleshed out it depends on the

Pearlsituation when it comes to sexual advances from a man or sexual advances from a woman no is completely fine I agree I think if a woman need only just

Brian Atlassay no she need not justify her no in order for the man to stop his Pursuit yeah a woman should just say no and that should be enough yeah and vice versa if a woman's coming on to a man and the man

Pearlsays no that's completely enough I mean like kind of looking into the L here well so you think that the same amount of communication no matter what the discussion is should just be a

Brian Atlasone-word sentence I don't I don't think if if a woman just says no I think you leave it there I don't think you push it really when it comes

Pearlto sexual advances yes sure but if you're having a conversation outside of that like uh it it's

Brian Atlasdifferent I would be topics require different amounts of explanation like if you're talking about possibly true I don't think in

Pearlthis specific situation we're talking about I don't think as the guy if this is an expectation that you have in a relationship if this is the expectation that you have in a relationship is a

Brian Atlasvery important prerequisite for this conversation that I would never agree to personally that is what you want go ahead find a woman who wants that to be clear want I can't imagine myself having

Brian Atlasthis sort of conversation with a woman ever because one one I don't go to bars I don't go to clubs I don't go to parties don't don't drink don't do drugs

Brian Atlasnot my scene similarly I don't date T I don't date women who go to par uh bars clubs and parties so I don't think it would even come up to begin with I don't think it would come up to it hasn't and

Pearlit won't come up with come up to begin with in my relationship either because I don't go to clubs or parties either you don't no I mean I go to Gatherings like festive parties or whatever I might go

Pearlto a pool party but not like parties like that but I also like if I do if again if my friend's having a bachelor party I yeah I would go to that mhm but an that's not like my scene I do have to

Brian AtlasI'm going to move it on just because we spent a long time on this um I I guess I will and if anybody wants to add anything we can I guess I'll just end it on some advice to the gentlemen here gentlemen don't be in a serious

Brian Atlasrelationship with a woman who doesn't realize the uh importance of Li limiting her own behavior to protect the relationship if you respect your partner you don't engage in activities designed

Brian Atlasfor single people that's my view you're welcome to disagree I don't disagree with that oh okay all right I don't disagree with that statement at all and I live it in my

Brian Atlasbehavior oh didn't mean to press that off what okay um I just part of the confusion here is like you have this viral Tik Tok and

Brian Atlasyou've said other things on the show which leads me to believe that you do want a more traditional man more masculine man you want a guy to pay for dates you want a guy to take

Brian Atlasinitiative you want a guy to lead but this would be like a great example of a leadership moment where the guy is exercising some degree of leadership and

Brian AtlasAuthority in the relation ship but you're like in this instance where it conceivably comes to your detriment in some way because he is exerting some degree of control you like of Serial

SPEAKER_00donated $200 you let me take the lead on everything else except for when it comes to you being promiscuous and revealing with your body around random guys at a singles party she belongs to the streets

Pearlor fer okay yo Kaleb seral appreciate it man you have a wait a a did you mean that okay kill of cereal do you have a response to kill of cereal I mean I

Pearlthink the assumption is that I am being promiscuous and revealing with my body at parties which in my opinion and in the opinion of the person I'm dating I am

Brian Atlasnot okay cool that's my response cool uh really quick before we get into more of the chats Nick can you pull up twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drops if

Brian Atlasa follow in a prime sub and then we'll do Discord after this um guys twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow in the prime sub guys uh Duran thank you for the 10 gifted lazy toaster thank you for the

Brian Atlasprime guys it's been six minutes since we last got a prime sub uh I think it's bugged help by the way guys just to be clear because I think some people maybe

Brian Atlasmy deliver is a little uh uh dry it's obviously a bit I don't I'm not actually thinking it's bu like people

Brian Atlasthink I'm being like sus I is it is it not clear Nick and Maddie like is it not clear first I thought it was unclear but I it was get

Brian Atlasit like I thought people got that it was a bit but then now I'm like people are thinking that I'm like trying to abuse like I'm

Brian Atlasplaying a like it's a ploy yeah like I'm frauding but I thought it was super obvious that it's a bit I don't know yo Hugh thank you for the prime man appreciate it I take it like that at I

Brian Atlasthought I thought my delivery made it seem like especially since we do it every time I thought people would get that it's a bit but I don't know apparently some people are like Brian is defrauding his he's trying to bait

Brian Atlaspeople I'm like no it's a bit okay whatever um uh Discord guys discord.gg whatever drops a follow in the prime sub guys we post the BTS stuff post the BTS

Brian Atlasstuff uh oh they played that's weird on the desire a one guys discord.gg whatever join the Discord guys join the join the

Brian AtlasDiscord boys we got almost 10K members on the Discord we need you boys on there discord.gg whatever easy easy

Madisonokay uh come back boom Maddie can you read this one Brian this is your self-appointed health coach per your request time to

Madisonlose some weight fatty yo Brian is so fat that he goes to a restaurant looks at the menu and says okay damn bro

Brian Atlasroasted damn that was hold on hold on bro that was funny oh my damn bro it's me that damn you're

Madisonright dude I need to lose weight don't forget how much influence TV and social media has on socializing men and women yo name taken thank you for the message man really appreciate it we pirate thank

Brian Atlasyou for the message appreciate it even though you roed me thank you bro appreciate it guys thank you for the messages Maddie next one woman can talk about custody unless

Madisonyou have an NDA SL also all men don't want their woman in a bikini real men won't let you go clubbing or have girls nights out we know that they are our

Brian Atlasstandards yo Craig thank you for the message man really appreciate it and uh yeah I think you know maybe I don't know what percentage of men would be cool with it maybe some guys just don't

Brian Atlascare probably most guys don't care actually what do you guys think do you think most men don't care my husband wouldn't care do you think it's like a small minority of of men like me who give a about this

Stacymy husband wouldn't care I mean he would care if I went clubbing yeah that's we need to back out he be like when are you going are you going again next week what are

Brian Atlaslike are you going with Jordan all right we have uh mdy can you oh wait oh we still need to go on this one let me read the uh Manny could you read this the word of God talks about

Madisonall sorts of extraterrestrials also we haven't discovered billions of galaxies there's just a physical Dome over the Earth OS 96 pale and well met L paladins

SPEAKER_00donated $200 and2 it's simple be anything that gives her power is good anything that benefits a man is bad it is about trust and the

Brian Atlasfact that she can go out to shop around and you won't leave she trusts you're a cck she's back there eating she heard it La paladins she'll address that she's coming back right now she's eating some

Brian Atlaswhat is she eating what are you eating salad salad actually typical are you vegan too not a vegan okay just checking it's okay any vegans

SPEAKER_10here Liz the assumtion crazy Ava Morgan Morgan's a protein shake

Brian Atlasenjoyer we love a good protein shake she's a protein shake enjoyer protein anything uh where was it this one we were did we hold on how many galaxies

Brian Atlasbillions it is estimated that there are between 200 billion to 2 trillion Galaxy's bro really that gives does that ever you ever think of something really

Jordanreally big and it makes you uncomfortable and I'm not talking about yeah like the O my God talking about

Jordanlike so big that you think wow I'm just a speck of dust it makes me uncomfortable yeah like something that

Brian Atlasbig okay all right existen take a bre Shake It Off okay what's a par most galaxies are 1,000 to 100,000

Brian AtlasParx I don't know let's not bring sex into this universe okay um two billion 200 billion to two trillion galaxies how many planets

Madisonplanets in the universe how many how do we people know that though what changes too I don't know whatever

Brian Atlasmaybe the chat can help is that just an educated guest okay we have pelagic sorry pelagic

Brian Atlasnever ever explain yourself this came in about 20 minutes ago um not sure what it's related to oh probably when I was just like uh just know yeah just know

Stacythat's it right yep ladies what do you guys I don't know you it was mostly me and her um is just no sufficient enough so I don't know that no would be sufficient enough but I'd be impressed

Stacyif I even got that kind of a conversation out of my husband what what you two were doing back and forth that was good no I'm saying that's unrealistic oh what what do you mean

Stacywhat she was hoping to get from you I wasn't giving enough or I was giving too much no like I was giving no I was saying what she was asking of you was like a lot men don't do what you did

Stacyyeah yeah which is engage to the extent of of what you gave her when she kept coming back oh I gave her I'm saying you gave enough I'm saying men don't normally do that they don't normally get

Brian AtlasI'm saying I'm impressed that you even did that and most men are not going to do that you're saying most men just like after the third like well I still need to know a little bit they just punch the wall they punch a hole through

Stacythe wall Brian's smarter than they just be like I'm done and leave the room like I think I think that's a second conversation I think the initial know she's going to do what she's going to do

Stacyif you're still there when she comes home I think that's a second conversation to have lat was being abusive like Pearl did you hear that Pearl no what I it's like Pearl you are

Brian Atlasan abuser you abused me Pearl just men eat your macaroni or whatever you talk about their feelings that much especially not initially you are so right I was emotionally abused by

StacyPearl the moment you come back I think you

Brian AtlasI need the co watch the tape roll the tape back I need the cosign from all the table here I need an apology from Pearl she was emotionally and mentally and spiritually abusive usually well but at

Brian Atlasthe same time you were role playing it wasn't really she was working you it was real me and pearl we were we had eye contact I felt it yeah I we all felt it

Jordanwe had a moment I feel like an abusive moment on Pearl's behalf oh my goodness look at this abuser coming back chat welcome back the abuser okay oh my goodness no honestly my husband would

Jordanleave the room and I would just put on gr's anatomy and just the husband would leave the room like mine would like he would be like listen I was no and he'd leave and then i' watch so I get a little do I get credit I get a little

Stacycredit then is that what you're saying I give you some credit for going for trying to satisfy what she was trying to get get deep conversations from a man is wor yeah cuz like they don't know how to go really deep and get that out of guy you're dating let alone expect to get

Brian Atlasthat out of your husband wait what is that Patrice O'Neal bit when it comes to da it's like we we we don't want to be

Brian Atlasalone we just want you around wait hold on Patrice alone around it goes yeah I couldn't do that men want to be alone

Brian Atlasbut we don't wait men want to be alone but we don't want to be by ourselves does that make does that make

Brian Atlassense feel like the first little it probably yeah building men want to be alone but we don't want to be by ourselves like we want you we want you

Brian Atlaslike around the corner you know I think that's what he say yeah I know I'm doing the bit you want us there when you want us there like around the corner exactly

Jordanthen you want us there they don't always want us there like in the house but not

Brian Atlasi'me that's a flaw though to be hon probably um maybe not just kidding humans are flawed uh where were oh we got to get through more of the chats

Brian Atlashold on guys one second here so wait was there one that came through for you but you were you were back there you

Brian Atlasheard it you heard them uh I do feel a little bit abused though I just want to let you know I'm so sorry and that's how I feel girl I didn't say

Brian Atlasthat you have to you explain why you feel say she didn't he twisted it and did something weird when you do that I feel this way

Brian Atlasokay I just feel like I'm sorry you feel that way I know I just find it funny how this is the covert narcissistic Woman

SPEAKER_00Brian they look to devour you I mean like in like a good devour or a bad devour probably bad as he's calling hail

SPEAKER_00and well met L Paladin's donated $200 and2 she is allowed to go out by herself dressed however she wants and when she comes back she can collect her stuff and

SPEAKER_00go live with her new boyfriend good luck hopefully he treats you better bye listen gentlemen she can do what she wants and you can also not be a

Pearlrelationship with her anymore I agree with that statement that's fair I think everyone should be with the kind of person they want to

Pearlbe with I do kind of Loki think I need a slave though in a relationship I mean case in point you want to be with someone who wants a female slave be with Brian everybody I think it's a good

Stacyarrangement yeah it is if you want to be a female slave be with Brian because that's what he wants I don't really ask AR I'm pretty I'm pretty low maintenance you don't really off all you don't really offer the 50 Shades of gr thing going on though I think that that was a

Pearlbeautiful beautiful thing that you just said that was so beautiful cuz that's really what you want and that's like the essence of like this this vibe in this show and that's like you say it's beautiful it's beautiful slave I think

Pearlthat that really demonstrates like the show who you are the people you attract like if you want that that's this Vibe she should she should be on the

Pearlfirst dat willing to deep clean your house is all I'm saying yeah exactly if you want to be like that be with someone like Brian I think that's exactly what it is is that a date or or an appointment a cleaning appointment he

Pearlhired a me I'd be like same time tomorrow you know what's so crazy is that like tell me what's the way that my man treats me and how he honors and respects me makes me want to deep clean

Pearlhis home like literally it makes me want to do that but if he was like I want a woman who wants to deep clean my home I'd be like oh I don't think think that this is the vibe for us but how my man

Pearlapproaches me I'm just like wow you just like you listen to me you honor me you respect me like you have conversation with me like I'm just it literally inspires me to want to deep cleanest

Pearlhome and I have what you'd be you're willing to deep clean oh 100% I desire to you desire to desire to cook for him to clean for him

Jordanto hakua honestly all of it all what is that it's basically give a blow there's this guy doing an interview maybe never mind never mind

Brian Atlasbut the moment that a guy I was going to give wants the moment that a guy wants those things from you or expects them it's okay for him to want them but not express it to you directly I'm a little confused then no he can express that he

Pearllikes it but I think I think what's better is like he just treats me what I like what I personally want in my relationship ship is to not have somebody who wants

Pearlto or expresses like I want female slavery like I don't like that energy and I don't like that Vibe which means we're incompatible which is totally fine what I like is when a man is so

Pearlmasculine but also has some feminine qualities that's like listens to me and understands me and like is kind and and nurturing in his own way of course not

Pearllike 90% of the way 90% of the time I want him to be out there working being his like masculine leader stuffff playing like planning dates whatever and then but he also has a little bit of

Pearllike listening to me and caring for me and then that just it makes me want to clean his whole house it does it inspires me to do that that's how like most of those Dynamics work out though

Pearlyeah yeah I I really enjoy it like the traditional he's never explained he's never once said I want a woman who cleans my house never once said

Pearlthat but you know what I'm doing but he's thinking it and what he does is he shows me through his actions that he cares about me that he respects me that he honors me and it inspires me to want

Brian Atlasto do whatever I can to make his life easier and better well this would be almost like saying well a girl doesn't want a guy to be a

Brian Atlasprovider doesn't want a guy it's okay to want to pay for first AIDS but in so doing by her not really caring about that she ends up receiving it so she

Brian Atlasdoesn't care about that doesn't want it but the guy will still because she doesn't want it the guy wants to give it to her

Brian Atlasmore which actually makes a little bit of sense except in the case for you you're very vocal about your desire

Pearlfor men to pay for dates um I mean it's not about it's about um the the way in which you vocalize it is what I think like for instance

Pearlsaying female slave versus like I really enjoy when like a woman likes and thinks about how to make my life easier and then to be like oh how could I do that and it be like oh like I'm really busy

Pearllike I don't you know have time to clean my house so like that would just make me feel really like good and happy it's about the how you communicate and yes I will say that a lot of men actually aren't that good at that which is not

Pearltheir fault because we socialize men to not really be able to communicate in with like that much like emotional dynamism or are they just naturally like that I feel like they're just naturally

Pearllike that no they are I mean they are naturally and also socialized it's both but at the end of to Day hot take men are better communicators than women hot take they're more direct communicators

Brian Atlasthat's good communication yeah that's what thank you for proving thank you for making my argument for me yeah men are more direct

Pearlcommunicators yeah but they're not they're not as like um expansive they don't get into like as many details they're not as thorough thorough yeah

Brian Atlaswith th no I mean I see what you're saying but you got to understand also like when I say uh when I use the term slave like it's a bit tongue and cheek

Brian Atlasto degree I'm not like that although if a girl was likeed down to be a slave I'm not going to say no I'm not going to say no I'm not going to

Brian Atlasturn her away be like Brian I will do anything you ask I will everything not going to say no to that I think men communicate and speak I think

Jordanmen communicate and speak very directly because they think very directly like their brains are not orchestrated how ours are when they ask us how's our day we're going to tell them what happened with supermarket and I found this and

Jordanthis was on sale oh yeah I met this girl and I I don't remember we're going to meet at Starbucks and oh yeah I found this book he's going to tell me my day went fine he's like it's good yeah we're not

Jordanthat's I mean men are very simple creatures and they think how they speak and they speak how they think yeah we're not going to include all this flowery language and like Exposition and a

Pearlpreamble but that doesn't make it better than intro outro but it's just different it's different than women I think men and women need to understand that we communicate differently and kind of meet

Brian Atlaseach other a little bit in the middle salubrious salubrious sorry I I heard this new word salubrious and I'm trying to find a way

Jordanto say it what does it mean it means Pleasant not of a place Pleasant not run down Pleasant agree maybe I got to start saying I need a salubrious woman do wish for men to be more elaborate and Men

Jordanwish more direct and we're always trying to find that Center balance that's beautiful George thank all right um who cares have Maddie oh go ahead read it that's written in

MadisonMong but I don't know how to pronounce it I can try disappointing go ahead try

MadisonKaa no hi I don't know how to do this guys I also can't see the end of

Madisonit do you understand itut Lo this is okay I've never seen think she read it how I would read it too I think some of these aren't even like don't even speak that language regular words I don't

Madisoneither I understand hey yeah she doesn't even I understand a little but yeah all right thank you who cares appreciate it when it reveals itself wait did we read

Pearlthis one I feel like a failure did we read this one I don't know I think so I think we need Pearl to read it go ahead Pearl Brian understand manipulation when it reveals itself this

Pearltype of woman is very dangerous I can see it once they have you emotionally they have you for the taking facts you know what Pearl you're going to have to redeem yourself from the

Pearlabuse I need you to sing the Queen of the Night ARA do it do it oh we're not even a relationship and you're saying do it and you expect me to just say

Pearlsure just do it no you should in Christ is I'm going to do it let your dream plays until you audio you said tomor so

Brian Atlasjust do it make your dreams come true we don't it doesn't stop until you start go ahead I think men and wom wait that's

SPEAKER_10not wait is that it nothing is impossible really keep going I feel like he's looking at me like anyone else would quit and you're

SPEAKER_10not going to stop there wow and actually it's going to keep going personal

Brian Atlas[Music] yes you can just do motivate it right now bro thank you Shai I appreciate it dude

Brian Atlasthank you for helping us I we tried we tried try we tried uh Maddie actually Jordan's going to read these the premise of the for the Forum

Jordanwhat is number one thing men do in a relationship that is the number one flag to end it and do you think that reason is a n is the national is happening I think you need to work on your that

Madisonreason is grammar and that National wording the national do you think that reason is can you SC

Brian Atlastheor spelling spelling and how you phrase things oh God number one thing okay so here we'll just do what is the number one thing men do in a

Brian Atlasrelationship that is a red flag that is a red flag I got I'll be back go ahead go ahead ladies speak amongst yourselves why

Madisondon't we go this way I've been talking a lot facts okay you me you first I need to um I don't think I really care about

Madisonthis that much but just not listening you know just listening to you talk even if it's like you know I think every woman

Jordanjust wants to be heard but active listen too like not just being heard but actually listening responding nodding showing that you're actually present yeah but I also understand that's not

Madisonthe way men work so I'm like okay with it I don't really care that much but I think that's a big reason why a lot of people break up these

Jordandays well I think men can learn from women and women can learn from men so men can learn to listen agreed yeah

Sarahum I think my biggest red flag is just lying

Lizgasoline um yeah I would probably say the same thing as lying a lot of men lie these

Stacydays from my experience yeah yeah lying definitely because then it creates a lack of trust

Stacyso once trust is broken it's not easy to get back and then the man will have to work extra extra hard to get that trust back or woman yeah I mean it definitely

Madisongoes both ways for sure okay you go I don't know what you guys are talking about Big R FL from a man in a relationship um or just like why you think people are breaking up easier I

Paytonthink people are breaking up cuz they always think they can find someone better but it's not realistic true oo I agree with that I haven't heard that one

Brian Atlas[Music] oh look at that look at that like were you guys just not talking

Lizwhile we're all going around I'm more of a woman than all of you it was the that's what I was laughing at the meme no the have you seen Ice Age okay you what is it going to take that's you

Pearlthe Magic Flip what's it going to take Pearl maybe if you double how much you're paying me to be on here wait I didn't get I'll definitely

Jordando that all right go for it a big red flag is a guy with bad hygiene wait did we not even finish

Pearlgoing around on that yeah wait but you didn't go I have a bit of a hot take that might be surprising with the lying one I think that lying is

Pearla huge red flag definitely and sometimes I do feel like men lie because women don't know how to handle the truth o I do actually think that you think would

Pearlyou rather hear a lie or the truth I would rather hear the truth and even if it's hard like I think that men are like oh you're the only girl for me but if they really said the truth with they just listen I kind of just want to

Pearllike I don't think that girls would be cool with that you know what I mean but then I think everyone just needs to tell the truth learn how to handle the truth and then go their separate ways if they don't want the same thing but nobody

Brian Atlasknows how to do that Brian what's your red flag and a girl H hold on let me pull up my list we must know

Brian Atlasokay wait hold on oh I know what it is what is it motor unwillingness to bow to you yeah that's pretty bad right when he walks in the door let me give okay I'll do a couple I'll approach this from a

Brian Atlasfew angles let's talk career I'll just throw a few out there hair stylist Works in HR those are two I kind of strung that sentence together

Brian Atlasbut uh flight attendant travel nurse nurse any career where she travels frequently

Brian AtlasUMO SC sternum tattoo sorry uh let's see all of her other qualities and makeup for I'm going to

Brian Atlaslose some audience she it wasn't personal if uh she owns a pit bull oh boy that's going to so debate going why is that uh I

Brian Atlasdon't know I I have opinions on pit bulls like safety um it's a definitely a controversial

Brian Atlasopinion on the pit thing well also just like a lot of women get these big dogs that they cannot physically restrain and women no offense to women oh my God me men up a lot too when it comes to

Brian Atlastraining dogs but like women are a lot more LAX when it comes to the training of their pets yeah so that's true killer

SPEAKER_00of cereal donated $200 if all men had some form of mental illness and you had to choose to date from these three PTSD schizophrenia

Brian Atlasbipolar disorder which one would you rather date m people saying in the chat it's not the breed it's the owner yeah the difference is though when a when there's a poorly

Brian Atlastrained chihuaha the amount of damage they can inflict on somebody kind of minimal it's true they're annoying they Yap a lot

Brian Atlasthey do bite chihuahuas are very aggressive MH but a Chihuahua can't kill you it's true I've been bitten by although now somebody's going to turn this around and make it like the gun bring it to the gun argument blah blah

Brian Atlasblah but I mean dog it doesn't map on one to one doesn't map on one to one okay whatever uh where were we oh oh bell bottoms she wears bell

Brian Atlasbottoms red flag uh looks at her phone on the first date she does Acro yoga oh my God big red flag why oh my have you seen those videos on anything but lift

Brian Atlasweights I swear dude you want to talk about bikini at a pool party nah let's talk about a Acro yoga if your girl is going to Acro yoga

Brian Atlasshe's done what's going on done doomed forever okay uh she van lifer red

Brian Atlasflag what van lifer she's on she lives in oh she lives in a van I thought that big red flag if she's a land van lifer it means

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