Feminist WANTS Traditional Man?! SHAMES "Cheap" Men Who DO NOT Pay For Dates?! | Dating Talk #190

Date: 2024-08-26

Duration: 7h 16m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPayton (pay_irl)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_02Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_12Stacy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Pearl(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ava(guest)

Key Moments

OtherPearl Bots sings "At Last" live on the show; studied opera (coloratura soprano).

“Brian asks Pearl to sing. She performs "At Last" (Etta James). Brian then requests Queen of the Night (Magic Flute). Pearl declines without extra compensation.”

OtherPearl's viral TikTok demonstrated live: "I use this hack to shame cheap men who split the bill."

“Brian pulls up NY Post article covering Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views). Pearl performs the bit: when man wants to split, she says "Oh I didn't know this was a friend date." Pearl clarifies she didn't intend it as an actionable hack, just content.”

ControversyBrian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership: wants man to lead on dates but rejects leadership when inconvenient.

“Brian points out Pearl appreciates a man who initiates, plans, and pays for dates, but resists deferring on the bikini-at-party issue. "You only want a leader when it benefits you." Pearl responds with a yin-yang model of leadership in relationships.”

ControversyExtended role-play debate: Pearl demands Brian explain WHY he doesn't want her at the party.

“Brian role-plays as Pearl's boyfriend saying "no" to her attending a party. Pearl keeps asking for more explanation. Brian argues "no" is a sufficient sentence from a leader. Pearl argues good leadership communicates reasoning. Brian accuses her of only wanting leadership when it benefits her.”

OtherPearl refuses to give a numeric self-rating, arguing women should think of themselves as tens.

“Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10. Pearl refuses to give a number, arguing women should operate with a "10 mindset" for confidence. Extended debate with Brian and Jordan about whether this is healthy vs delusional.”

OtherPearl announces she is a feminist; Brian and Payton push back given her preference for men to pay.

“Pearl calls herself a feminist (soft/equity definition). Payton says she is anti-feminist. Brian says Pearl's feminism is inconsistent with wanting men to pay for dates. "Just be a feminist you're a focus" — Brian says she can't have it both ways.”

OtherBody count round: Pearl 7, Jordan 7, Sarah 3; others decline.

“Viewer TTS prompts body count discussion. Jordan body count: 7 (from TTS readback). Pearl: 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy, Liz, Ava, and Madison decline to answer.”

OtherBrian reads live a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor; Madison helped write it.

“Brian recounts texting an ex about personal hygiene (vaginal odor). He reads the text verbatim. Madison helped craft it. Woman he texted broke off contact after receiving the message.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show with standard announcements. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pearl sings "At Last" (Etta James) at Brian's request; also studied opera. Jordan, Payton, Stacy, Liz, Sarah, Madison, Ava each introduce themselves.

Relationship status round

Pearl: dating exclusively ~2 months (not official). Jordan: married 6 years. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years (Catholic; returning guest, discussed before). Stacy: married 21.5 years. Liz: newly single ~3 weeks (broke up with Navy man stationed in Japan after visiting). Sarah: single; has 2 sons from an on-off relationship. Madison: in ~2-year relationship. Ava: in 5-year relationship.

Bikini/party debate: should girlfriends go to parties in bikinis?

Discussion triggered by viewer donation about girlfriend going to pool party in bikini against his wishes. Brian argues commitment-minded men reasonably limit girlfriends' attendance at singles-oriented social events. Pearl pushes back on "no" without explanation being sufficient leadership communication. Jordan and Stacy agree women should defer to partner's preferences. Role play between Brian and Pearl on the communication of a "no" in a relationship. Debate on whether women's indirect flirting (posting, going out) is analogous to men approaching.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Viewer "Stiffler" requests self-ratings. Pearl: refuses numeric, says she considers herself a 10 philosophically. Payton: delusional 10, realistic 5. Stacy: no numeric (all women are 10s framing via Sarah). Viewer TTS: Jordan body count [?], Pearl body count 7. Debate on whether women should think of themselves as 10s for confidence vs delusion.

Aging and female attractiveness

Are guests better looking now than 10 years ago? Will they be better looking in 10 years? Pearl (32): thinks she'll still be a 10 at 52. Jordan (26): thinks she looks better now. Stacy (47): confirmed better looking in youth. Brian argues biology causes female attractiveness to peak and decline.

Age gap relationships

Discussion of what constitutes an age gap (5+ years per consensus). Payton mentions older men who date younger women may be seeking someone to fund their college. Brian distinguishes comfort/guidance attraction from exploitation.

Pearl's viral TikTok: shaming men who want to split the bill

Brian pulls up NY Post article about Pearl's viral TikTok (millions of views): "I use this hack to shame cheap men who want to split the bill." Pearl demonstrates the TikTok bit: "Oh I didn't know you wanted to just be friends." Discussion of who should pay on a first date. All panelists: man should pay if he asked her out. Pearl: expects first date to be paid for, does not recommend the hack per se. Brian asks Pearl to reconcile feminist self-identification with wanting men to pay.

Women in the military / draft debate

Should women be drafted? Payton: yes (equality argument), but anti-feminist overall. Sarah: yes, drafted equally. Jordan: believes women have important role at home (especially mothers). Stacy: nuanced — both parents shouldn't be drafted from same family. Brian: supports drafting women as equality issue.

Makeup: deception or self-care?

Is wearing makeup deceptive to men? Brian argues full-face makeup is more deceptive than minimal makeup. Push-up bras mentioned similarly. Jordan: there's a difference between natural and full-beat glam. Some guests willing to remove makeup on camera; Brian says he already rated them with it on.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather be alone with a random man or a random bear in the forest? Most guests choose bear, citing the viral TikTok. Liz says she'd pick bear but acknowledges she was influenced by the video. Ava (podcast staff) chooses man. Brian and panel discuss what percentage of men would actually harm a woman.

Feminist identity debate: Pearl vs panel

Brian challenges Pearl on calling herself a feminist while wanting men to pay for dates. Pearl clarifies she is a soft/equity feminist, not an equality-of-outcome feminist. Payton declares herself anti-feminist (does not believe in modern feminism). Brian argues Pearl cherry-picks leadership benefits without accepting leadership constraints.

Body count discussion

Does body count matter? Jordan: body count 7 (stated via TTS readback). Pearl: body count 7. Sarah: 3. Stacy and Ava: no comment. Madison declined to answer. Majority of panel said body count matters in some degree.

Telling a partner uncomfortable truths

Brian shares a text he sent to a girlfriend about vaginal odor — reads it live. Madison helped him write it. Panel discusses how to tell a friend or partner uncomfortable truths about weight, hygiene, etc. Payton: would tell a friend directly if they were gaining too much weight. WW1 trivia round closes the show.

Transcript

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Jordanyeah I actually have a bigger issue with push-up BRS well actually um yeah or filler or like at what point is like just taking care of yourself and makeup's not taking care of yourself no

JordanI mean like just getting yourself what put together like doing your hair and put together all this kind of stuff like I'm not going to roll out of bed and like just go out and you know I'm going

Jordanto like take a couple of steps and take a little bit of time to like get myself ready for the day and a little bit of makeup shouldn't take an hour but

Brian Atlasalso could also just be a part of your getting ready routine in the morning yeah sure I mean I'm not really talking about the length of time it takes to put on makeup I'm talking about is it deceptive or not but the kind of

Brian Atlasdeceptive deceptiveness you're talking about takes aot of time sure I'll I'll grant that there are degrees to it like a woman who's wearing full face of makeup is being more deceptive than a woman who just wears uh like mascara and

Pearla bit of blush deceptive implies ill intent which I don't think is fair in this conversation there's no ill intent it's not wait but if you deceive somebody regardless of your

Pearlintent you're still deceiving them no they're being deceived they're like I'm not deceiving you deceiving is having ill intent by saying like I love just hearing all the men

Brian Atlaslike goofing like ging over there yeah there's a lot of gaing going on the action of deceiving someone a thing that a thing that deceives now that's helpful

Brian Atlasyou're dictionary I hate that cause okay here's deceive of a person cause someone to believe something that is not true typically in order to gain

Brian Atlassome personal Advantage I'm not saying give a mistaken impression you can tell the women who are wearing makeup here and not can you not wait but don't you women also argue

Brian Atlasguys don't even know what the minimal makeup like you'll argue you tell can you tell that I'm wearing makeup I can tell okay so I'm not deceiving you because you can tell you're still deceiving me how am I deceiving you when

Brian Atlasyou can tell so I'll tell you exactly so even even okay as a guy even if the woman is wearing makeup and you fully know what she that she is wearing makeup in fact you know every

Brian Atlassingle item of makeup that she's wearing and the places where it is we we are not able so attraction is instantaneous so

Brian Atlaswhen we see a woman it's not like some some like complicated process that takes long periods of time it's instant she's attractive but if you're doing something

Brian Atlasusing your own words to enhance your physical attractiveness you have essentially done a deception so does your hair naturally lie like that or did you put product in

Brian Atlasit a little maple syrup in I put a little how's that we're not talking about hair we're talking about face but men don't wear makeup wait so your beard is really de is that really what your

Brian Atlasface beard are natural beards are natural if I if I was on an island if I was on an island I could grow a beard if you were on an island without your makeup beard thing you would be able to

Brian Atlaswear makeup okay but if you put like beard oil in your hair it's like it's not that shiny can I add something well I don't think I I don't think let go let's go with her hold on one sec well I'll let you come in in just a sec here

Brian Atlasthese comparisons to like beard and hair uh one equally ridiculous no the first off the beard that's naturally that's

Brian Atlasnatural no woman can naturally have makeup on their F like it doesn't ma magically materialize manifest have

Brian Atlassolit don't it's okay I know I'm attacking I know I'm attacking your uh what's it called you're this is a very sensitive subject for you I know you're very

Brian Atlasyou're very defensive about the makeup bored you you're you are dependent on the paint I get it you're dependent on the paint to move through life I get it you feel like I'm attacking you personally I don't feel like you're

Brian Atlasattacking me personally you feel a little defensive about the paint no I don't if makeup never existed none of us would care we would know any different we wouldn't know any different that's true but okay here's how to finish my

Brian Atlaspoint to to finish my point on this like an Amish woman no Beauty St would be better you should be with an Amish woman there's plent she probably obey

Brian Atlasyou just like your jokes that's cool so anyways uh the reason why it's deceptive is because we look at somebody and we we make an instant determination as to

Brian Atlastheir physical attractiveness so you've already hooked us you do music right you're familiar with the term hook in music what's a hook the chorus something a little catchy to get you invested in the song

Brian Atlasbefore you skip to a new uh next song on Spotify or you switch to a different CH uh channel on the radio right that's what the hook is it hooks you in right

Brian Atlasright that's what your makeup is achieving the man might be attracted to you even without the makeup but you said it enhances so if makeup didn't make you

Brian Atlaslook better would you wear it like if makeup made you look worse would you wear makeup of course not so you're you are admitting that makeup makes you look more attractive than you actually are

Pearlcorrect it makes yeah it enhances your features so how is that not definitionally deceptive okay it is deceptive W check me it's deceptive and

Pearlit doesn't matter at all this is so right this is why men should lie about being attorneys when they work at McDonald different because if if it's like deceptive in that way eventually you're going to see it that's off and it

Pearldoesn't matter and if she's like a crazy ass who you don't like and who is like faking it you're eventually going to find out it's if it's the hook then that's just the hook like if the rest of the content is bad then throw it out and

Brian Atlasjust to be clear I'm not making the argument that like I'm not making the argument that all these dudes who are dating women who wear makeup even if it's just a little bit they got duped

Brian Atlasinto the relationship I would say to be uh charitable probably most men who are dating a woman who wears makeup those men probably would have dated them even if they didn't have the makeup right I'm

Brian Atlasnot making this argument that it's like it's making such an impact although sometimes it can be it's making such an impact that these men are dating that they otherwise wouldn't but if we're going to have like a conversation about

Brian Atlasthe topic if we're going to exchange ideas then like and do an analysis I don't think you can come away from it and not just concede that yeah it's

Pearldeceptive I would like to hear what Sarah okay says is that you want to concede the argument huh I would like to hear what she has to say goad Sarah at this point I'm like over it I mean I

Sarahfeel like see see how defensive they get about the paint no no no I actually I want to be like very honest because I actually what you're saying goes in alignment with what my values are which

Sarahis like I want a man to actually appreciate me complet like I would rather meet the man that I'm going to spend my life with like completely transparently like on like to be honest

Sarahif he sees me like crying with no makeup on I'm going to know that like that person's going to stick with me cuz they they're they just saw me at my worse you know what I mean or like at like being

Sarahas natural as possible MH um but I was actually going to bring up the topic of like like another component of deception

Sarahwould be like you're seeking people who are natural but what you are probably also missing is that all the women that you think are natural are actually

Sarahfilled with other things that right like I like titties no Botox and filler like their face actually isn't what I don't

Brian Atlaslike that either and so you think I know no no no like women I know I know when women have lip filler trust me I just got look I got to look at you from the side and I see your upper lips all

Sarahup sorry there are women that like that know how to make themselves look extremely natural sorry ladies but they are altering their face yeah I don't like that either so I'm just

Sarahsaying what when you're seeking and you're like judging the lady with makeup the lady with makeup is putting stuff on her face as opposed to the woman who you think is actually doing a better job she's putting stuff in her face yeah I

Brian Atlasdon't like that either like both wait I I don't like either and it's both are deceptive actually but she's not trying to deceive you she's trying to you her best she trying to put an effort for you I'm just trying to put an effort

Brian Atlaswhen I lie about my I'm just trying to help you not be deceived cuz yours is ill intent mine is not I have very strong everywhere well I have very strong positions on plastic surgery too I'm against plastic

Jordansurgery yeah sweatpants hair tied chilling with makeup on that's when you're the prettiest I hope that you don't take it long um Drake Drake said it

Brian Atlasfirst okay Cricket when it comes to the makeup you're a slave you're born into a prison that you

Brian Atlascannot taste or see or touch a prison for your mind a prison for your mind Society has told you you're not

Brian Atlasbeautiful unless you're wearing this mascara Society has told you you're not beautiful unless you get this

Brian Atlasamount of Botox injected into your upper lip sorry why did you like

Brian Atlasum but many of you are so so accustom so hopelessly dependent on makeup that you will fight to protect it which is why I

Jordanwas so viciously attacked by Pearl and by Sarah I did not attack so hopelessly dependent on the makeup like I said if

Brian Atlasmakeup never existed nobody would care Nick do you have our Tik Tock dude go to Tik Tok we we had we did the Tik Tok of a girl who said she

Brian Atlasdoesn't like makeup oh no and the the uh 42 million views so Nick click on that first one we're not going to watch it not yeah just click on it seen actually just play it hold on uh start from the

SPEAKER_10beginning Go audio Yeah we we'll watch it really quick I don't like makeup I'm against makeup I don't think it's good for women

SPEAKER_10and I don't think they really need to be using it honestly I think it takes away makeup is it's capitalizing on women's insecurities when it's something that

SPEAKER_10they can easily fix I think it takes away from woman a woman's natural beauty and also it is so bad for you like you think about how skin absorbs things when you read the ingredients on a foundation

SPEAKER_10bottle what is in it you can't even pronounce it it's a bunch of crap that you're putting on your face and that is in turn making your skin worse so you have to keep buying more Foundation to

Brian Atlascover up what it's cre creating I don't like wait pause it go back back other videos go yeah I mean that's another conversation wait Nick so click on the

Madisonright it says original sound she wears makeup it's crazy top she wears makeup original sound oh my gosh it is

Brian Atlaslike minimal but okay so this became used as like a sounds on Tik Tok I've seen 18,500 women have made video is using

Brian Atlasthis sound and if you notice they're app they've they've gone on the offensive oh you don't like makeup

Brian Atlassingular woman here's me putting like uh pounds of this on my face as like a I don't know how a Goa

Brian Atlassomeone's a fraud as a clap back as a clap back thank you thank you Madison you're welcome so fire as they should

Brian Atlasperiod she's a FR but 18,000 18,000 videos and that's not including the sentiment of like the women watching you

Brian Atlasguys are so dependent you guys are so dependent on the makeup that you will fight to protect it but where do we draw the line I can tell her hair is highlighted so should we not highlight her hair okay we can have a separate

Brian Atlasconversation over her being a hypocrite that's a separate conversation though she could be sitting there with botox in right there her forehead didn't move at all did you notice that sure the point is okay that's not really

Brian Atlasthe point I'm trying to make I'm just saying you guys got to unplug from The Matrix can't unplug from The

MadisonMatrix I do want to say though the people that are responding as a clapback are putting on like pounds of makeup that is

Brian Atlasdeceptive it is it is I look makeup is the functional equivalent of a man working at McDonald's saying he's lawyer that's that's totally not the equivalent I

Sarahpersonally did not know that you were taking it that personally but when you lied to me about your job yeah come on that is a lie that is a straightup lie you think guys really care more about you can ask me to my face I'm sorry

Brian Atlaswomen care about money yeah good point on what is that saying men fall in love with their eyes and women fall in love through their ears or some no men like what they

Madisonsee and women like what they hear that's why men lie and women wear makeup ah yes there you go yep yeah we'll stop wearing makeup when you stop

Brian Atlaslying oh period boom W I only that's so funny I do look I just

Brian Atlasthink I think it's a lie I think it's deceptive that's dumb I don't think that's dumb why is it dumb I'm over this conversation she's over I agreee with you like I said before it's okay tot

Jordanyou're a little upset your female voice impressions pretty good not going to lie thank you you should hear our men voice impersonation let's hear it go ahead do

Brian Atlaswe do it all this time let's hear that do it babe what are you doing babe what are you doing oh my gosh I don't really want to

Stacygo over there today sounds exactly like Brian

Brian Atlashow much longer does this go what you years uh Brian LMP girl in red shove some reality down these face painted girls faces you got this LOL Brian I don't know how you tolerate this

SPEAKER_03lol good name by the way good name bro thanks no she's un bothered the same gu all right comment again can you pull up that tweet really quick again can you pull up the tweet

Stacyhow is this not deceptive tell me tell me nobody's disagreeing with you girls do that though that is deceptive saying eyebrows to eyebrows a bigger

Jordannose to a smaller nose that's she went from white to Asian but there are so many ways to be deceptive there are more ways to be

Lizdeceptive than just makeup like guys who were topay yep yeah I agree that's not what they even though it's natural beards are kind of deceptive too because when they shave that off it's like wao

Lizlike you have no jawline like you're like and they do give you acne you like it's natural so it's a good like I'm not even arguing grow it

Brian AtlasI'll even grant you that men will grow a beard to hide a weak jaw or a weak chin are you willing to shave your beard Brian shave your I'll do it for I

Jordanit's uh I'll do it for Bitcoin it's one of our beard your girlfriend made like some sort of compromise and she's like okay if I sto

Brian Atlaswearing makeup then you have to shave your beard no there she can take her makeup off and I keep the beard that's how it's going to be yours will grow back household yours will grow back huh

Brian Atlasyour beard will grow back yeah it'll grow back so if you I mean I'll eventually maybe I'll one of these days I will shave the beard but I'm chilling with the beard

Brian AtlasI'll do it for a Bitcoin on stream though if anybody any takers any any uh wealthy philanthropists want to help out the brother what's up did you she said

Sarahsomething oh did you have something if so if you meet a girl yeah and at the at the time that you meet mhm like you ask

Sarahher like you are open enough to ask her like that you want to see her without about makeup can she ask you to shave your beard off so that neither of you is

Brian Atlasdeceived does that make sense like are you going to be offended well so one I have photos of me available without the beard she shows you photos and you show

Madisonher photos for an exchange I show you mine if you show me

Sarahyours what is how do you how do you years old again I know what is your like dating process like where do you find the women that you date do you just find them wherever but like they're not wearing makeup or like do

Sarahyou do you ever meet women and they're wearing makeup and then you just kind they my DM like would you go on a first date if like you first why that be a problem I don't know I just I don't

Sarahsocial media date I don't I meet people in person no offense to people don't that's just my personal value girl like the girls that come on the show no

Brian AtlasF I mean one or two you know I've been like okay she's not crazy most of them though just kiding I'm kidding this was a good P it was a good P anyways let's move it on we do

Brian Atlashave to move it on from the M we've been on the makeup thing for a while um but uh also hold on wait wait I'm sorry I

Brian Atlasgot to argue this makeup is way e even if I grant that men will grow beards because they have a weak chin or weak jaw that's still like way more makeup Alters your appearance way more than a

Brian Atlasbeard also I've made this argument before when it comes to uh uh fa facial attractiveness the top 50% of your face is going to matter way more than the

Lizbottom 50% of your face okay because during Co when everyone would wear masks and they would cover the bottom of the face and then they smile and then they would take it off and it's like holy crap like only

Lizyour eyes were attractive but the rest of your face like put the mask back on sure I'm not saying it doesn't matter but if you look at like okay I think majority of women who

Jordando throw on makeup it's going to be is it going to be eye makeup yeah like I don't know depends on the girl she might be more emphasizing

Brian Atlaseye makeup versus are women going to wear mascara and nothing are women going to throw on some mascara or eyeliner and nothing else or are they more likely to throw on like what's the stuff you put on your face

JordanFoundation if they're putting on Foundation are they also going to put on eye makeup too yeah I don't know it depends what they know how to do it depends on what we're doing yeah like what's the vibe I I don't wear makeup to

Brian Atlaswork yeah like at work makeup 99% of the time in any case I do think the top 50% of the face is more important okay so where did we draw the line of deceptiveness like where do we we're

Jordangoing to agree to disagree with him yeah no but like okay so what what about like dying hair or like I'm called out no no no no like what okay if you dyed your hair is that

Jordandeceptive is it deceptive if you dyed your hair cuz like that's not your natural hair it could be

Brian Atlaslike but the I I think with dyed hair for example like a woman if she has dark hair and then she

Brian Atlashas blonde hair and she's a white girl a girl could look like her with blond hair but you put makeup on you

Jordannobody looks like that naturally I'm sorry but when we girls get like we have a breakup we change our hair because hair makes like such a big

Brian Atlasdifference huge difference okay I guess the difference is a girl could naturally be blonde a girl could naturally be brown hair instead of black hair no

Brian Atlaswoman can naturally have like raccoon eyes or I don't know that's probably not a popular makeup style but like you can't naturally like

Madisonsome women might have like longer eyelashes but you're not going to have natural purple hair or like pink hair like all these crazy don't guys like that as deceptive unless you're bald or something and

Madisonyou're hiding that you're bald oh yeah like she said the toe I think the t is a more fair comparison because also I I suppose well it's even

Brian Atlasless I was going to say men can dye their hair but even that has a little social

Brian Atlasstigma not really it does very very little it's not as socially acceptable as if a woman dyes her hair it's pretty

Brian Atlasmuch the same no I think most women would be like bro you dying your hair because he's going through his midlife crisis I wouldn't think that but a lot

Brian Atlasof guys are like going I think a lot of men would be like a lot of men would clown on their male friends bro you dye your hair what's sure most women if their female

Brian Atlasfriend dyed their hair they'd be like gorgeous super cute anyways we'll move on from that honest to God my wife of 5 years has never seen my cheeks would you date someone who was without criminal

Brian Atlasrecord in the but technically an international terrorist t t what does that even mean terrorist RZ a terrorist in another country uh show

Brian Atlasof hands who here would date a terrorist no okay Brian would he would sure I guess all right let's get through oh wait Let's do let's get through all the

Brian AtlasTik toks first can you get pull up the Tik Tok there's like two more right y okay we'll do those

Pearlthis is my vision for my long-term relationship I love this quote by AJ McQueen he says I pray that the woman that is for me feels like home and a vacation and as someone who wants the same I've been thinking a lot about this

Pearlanother Creator I follow on NAMI momy was describing how intimacy I know I can predict I understand we have closeness

Pearlis the killer of eroticism which is surprise and desire so how do we achieve a relationship that feels like home and a vacation when they're diametrically

Pearlopposed and one is actually the killer of the other I certainly don't have all the answers but my guess is that it's space if you never have space from your partner you're always with them you

Pearlnever have the opportunity to evolve into something that may surprise them it also reminds me of this beautiful poem by Khalil Gabon he says fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup

Pearlgive one another of your bread but eat not of the same Loaf and that's

Pearlwhy what is that the end it like Loops oh the beginning oh does the penel

Paytonagree why do you disagree I just think that if a relationship works you can have both things you don't you can they can surprise you or they can be

Paytonpredictable in other ways and it doesn't necessarily mean one kills the other that's facts I agree let's just do the next

Pearlone same to why is no one talking about how you're still settling if you meet your dream man and he doesn't want to pursue you he could be every single

Pearlthing on your list but if he isn't intentionally taking steps to make you his you're settling you're also confirming the belief to your own mind

Pearlthat you're not worth being pursued if you immediately or very quickly cut that person off in and out of your life and in and out of your mind your thought life your thought life is so important

Pearlyou have to take control of that thing if you no longer engage with thinking about what it could be like with that dream person for signaling to yourself that you are worthy of the love that you

Pearlimagine and therefore will more easily call it in you said the thought like thought do you

Paytonmean like that hoe over there no Oh I thought you talking about she meant like the life inside your mind your mind

Sarahoh okay I actually like I agree with the majority of that video um but I think that

Sarahdefinitely there needs to like it's not possible for just anybody to go to go straight to to like oh I'm fine like this is who I am I'm good like there needs to be a grieve like a a grieved

Sarahthought process to like totally better yourself it's not like immediately and I also think that like when exiting a relationship it's really important to self-analyze like what you could have

Sarahdone as well not just like pointing at the person because ultimately for your next relationship you want to work as a team not like oh what are they doing wrong what am I doing right type of thing like so definitely addressing like

Pearljust being more self-aware of like what you could have done I think what I meant in this Tik Tok was like I think that sometimes you might find somebody like a guy or something and you're like oh my

PearlGod he's this and he's this and he's this and you can be so obsessed with them but that person if they're not interested in you and they're not pursuing you and like there's no point in thinking about them there's no point

Brian Atlasin pursuing them it's like you just kind of have to cut that off can you say the same thing for men though absolutely like can a guy be like well she's my dream woman but she isn't pursuing me oh oh and

Pearlso uh I think it's more like she's not responding I would say to a man it would be like oh like you're saying hey do you want to do this and she's just giving you short answers she's kind of ignoring you then like just move on she's obviously not interested in you if

Pearlyou're pursuing a girl and you want to take her out she will respond and she'll say let's do it so you don't need to keep going just like Let It Go but I mean if you said this is your dream guy

Pearlyou wouldn't be willing to pursue your dream guy he's not your dream I I would say that he's not your dream guy if he's not interested in you your dream man will want to be with you and I think a

Pearllot of times as women it's hard to like we know that but like it's hard in practice to be like oh right if he doesn't like me that's an

Paytonautomatic like that automatically means that I shouldn't be with him but I think also it's hard for men because women a lot of the time will string them along or make them believe like oh could

Paytonpossibly have a chance and then they keep playing that game and then they won't be able to realize that they don't want them because they keep playing this like long game and and make them confused about if they're interested in them or

Stacynot I think we need to get away from the word dream yeah yeah because um no person is exactly what you think they're

Stacygoing to be and girl would be my nightmare just kidding oh I was going to say you would be my nightmare I I mean I don't know about a lot know Jordan's

Stacymarried but I don't know I don't think any other but when I first got married I thought I had certain thoughts of how my husband was going to be or I was going to beat him I quickly found out that was

Stacynot the case because I'm thinking well I'm going to be different than these other marriages I'm going to be different mine's going to be different well that reality hit smacked me in the face real fast yeah wait so before we

Brian Atlasget into everybody's dream man dream man you you mentioned thought and I want to actually this question came up would you prefer already laughing would you prefer

Brian Atlasgo here we go what what am I going to ask I don't know but it's going to be wild would you prefer to have a thought son or a thought daughter gayter

Brian Atlasyeah I feel like that one's a little insensitive Maddie oh what it's a little insensitive this whole podcast excuse me facts excuse me Maddie so thought son or

Brian Atlasthought daughter would you rather have a thought son or a thought daughter promiscous daughter yeah thought promiscuous promiscuous definitely neither for which but you have to pick

Pearlone a thought son or a thought do I do think that um women are in more danger when it comes to like sexual activity so if I had to pick one I guess I would

Paytonpick son okay son I wouldn't allow either of them to be if you have to I wouldn't allow it you got the pi they would be sent to boarding school they would be in reform they're still a say

Paytonthey're adult they're like they had thought in boarding school well if they're no matter what they're still they're an adult at that point it really doesn't make a difference W MD I

Pearlthink okay then a a guy because it'd be more socially acceptable okay yeah less SL shaming for sure um yeah guy mhm

Sarahguy I'm going to say yeah boys yeah thought son thought son B about you thought son wait let me

Brian Atlaslet me up the antee a little bit would you prefer a criminal son or a thought daughter so drug dealer but like not anything too crazy like cocaine your son deals cocaine or a

Brian Atlasdaughter who's a which do you pay Jordan loves this question wait what's so funny actually it's just the question is wild so wild

Brian Atlasit no these are not things you normally think of I was thinking about this yesterday no I mean like the average I was I was in the pool and I was just like this would be a good question you woke up this morning and you thought H yeah no this morning I woke up I was

Brian Atlaslike I need a pulmonologist a what's going on if there's anybody in the chat a pist you have something going on I need an emery pulmonologist okay and guys guys back to

StacyLet's sorry I didn't mean to deril did I just do the oh my God this give the contact this is why I didn't have pist cuz I didn't want toal

Brian Atlascriminal criminal drug dealer son who sells cocaine but he's not like involved with like the cartel like it's not that serious he's like a

Brian Atlaslowkey you know he's good at dealing to like third graders just kidding oh my go well you said criminal like he's been caught and like he's been convicted let's just say he hasn't you saying he's

Brian Atlasjust a drug de he hasn't been caught yet but he could get caught and he deals to high I hate this question I'll say deals to college kids okay would you prefer a

Brian Atlasdrug cocaine drug dealing son or a daughter okay so they're criminal and to the same chat can answer chat chat wait chat answer too go ahead

Pearlgo ahead Pearl go ahead you got this Pearl I guess well when you're involved in crime like

Pearlyou could get caught and like go to jail and stuff I feel like that's more actually like dangerous cuz it's illegal so I guess we're in California they're pretty like I guess thought daughter it's not illegal to be a thought yeah

Jordanit's not illegal to be a thought you can thought around should be just jail free um I think I would choose the thought daughter

Paytonunfortunately if I had to choose I would choose the daughter I would choose criminal daughter because they would be more lenient to her in the justice system

Stacythat's not one of them you got answer I choose see all of the above yeah I have dog I have dogs that's where I'm going to go with that cuz I want what if you had a

Stacycocaine dealing dog well dogs do smell they they use them to find cocaine so dealer drug dealer son or thought

Lizdaughter yeah I would say daughter simply because Coke isn't just affecting his life it's also affecting the lives he's selling the

Sarahtwo and like I'm going to choose their Liv as well it's affecting the culture what about you Sarah I'm changing my last answer and I'm just saying girls for both cuz I'm not wishing that were my

Sarahkids but they are your kids in this question yeah you have two kids not right now two two sons yes so if you had like a daughter but there's Redemption

Sarahfor both like full transparently like I've I've been both and I'm good and I'm here how how like thought is the

Sarahdaughter get babies I'm kidding criminal but like uh no no uh she sleeps with

Brian Atlaslike she's and she's like 50 dudes raw she's probably to end half ra and then like another like 30 BJs she's

Brian Atlasprobably going to end up with someone's criminal son honestly God and then like at least like 10 where it's like she doesn't know to count them just a tip just for she lost count she doesn't know if if it counts okay you can't make the

Pearlcriminal son like fine and okay and then like a super thty daughter they have to be like the same amount well it comes with the territory of being a criminal that it's bad so are we saying he doesn't get caught I think we're

Brian Atlasthinking about this way too much if he doesn't get caught I if he doesn't get caught choose I would choose the sun yeah I think the scenario has to be he doesn't get caught but he's selling

Brian Atlasdrugs to third graders to college kids it's getting worse cocaine he's selling cocaine anyways the son what do you

Avapick um I think I I would choose thought daughter and only because what if my son sold like fenol or

Avasomething no it's just okay it's clean it's clean like how do like it's we have to if we're being realistic a lot of that stuff's like not clean and like what if it killed somebody I think that listen he has very high standards for

Jordanthe drugs he deals you do create do you want us to like pick a certain way or something cuz no you can pick making one extreme I'm just so he doesn't kill anyone no no drug deers are so like in a dangerous position that's why they tend

Avato stay in yeah but he's not like involved with Cel he's just like but what what then okay what if he gets like locked up for a long time he's a good drug dealer I'll just say look I'm just

Pearlgoing to say I'm just going to say he's the top of the line super drug really great you have a great

Brian Atlastime star student drug dealer I'm waiting for them to stop sorry um I'm not yeah I picked the the son who's selling the

Brian Atlasdrugs his it shows entrepreneurship oh my gosh he's a businessman God he's handing business handling his

Brian Atlasbusiness she had business too oh dream what's your dream man moving on okay Pearl what's your dream man go ahead

PearlPearl you got this um he's spiritually aware he's intellectually a match he's emotionally

Pearlmature he's respectful of women he wants to be a father he obviously appreciates and respects me I'm attracted to him he's ambitious he has leadership

Jordanqualities um yeah um like Stacy said there's no such thing as dream man but there are

Jordandefinitely non-negotiables like being a being a Christian I have a big family so family oriented um kind respectful shows

Jordanleadership qualities um and I have to be physically attracted to you

Stacyvalid she like ditto yes so um believer and someone who brings uh 50% to the relationship or just as much much as I do so we're on an

Stacyequal level so that we don't have to rely on each other too much um motivated sense of humor oh yeah compatible you did say in

Brian Atlasyour show notes here that you uh you don't agree with the younger generation thinking men have to do slash pay for everything right but what's your answer did you say men should pay for

Brian Atlasthe first date though I think if they ask oh if they ask I don't know we always talk about this but what the whole if they ask but like women don't

Lizreally ask guys out I did I have M you did yeah I have but more often than not yeah more often than not obviously men

Lizare asking them now but I have yeah I had where yes women do ask men out but it's overwhelmingly men who ask women out so I don't know the whole who asks

Madisonthing ignores this fact I brought that up earlier oh you did on behalf wadis in the chat okay yeah any anything

Stacyfurther just be on the same page with me and agree in a lot of ways uh Lizzy does your dream man not live in Japan no actually he lives out

Lizhere um they have to be a man of God um wa you have a dream man I well wouldn't say

Lizdream but yeah wait there's like I think she there's a guy I think she Liz no no not like that well like there is a guy he would be no no no he exists like

Lizwe're very close but you're very close not like that with your dream guy oh sh Wait why don't you just ask him out what just ask him out that's a hefty question I'm good you should wait it's what so that's like a hefty question I just got

Lizto have a relationship I'm not jumping in another one yeah but if he's your dream guy you got to go for it wait how long have you known dream guy is it me I'm so in love with you okay it's

Lizcrazy but I wear too much makeup so disqualified and I'm not Asian enough

Lizfor you either you're not Asian enough there go love is sacrificial um yeah so he has to be a man of God for sure ambition he doesn't

Lizlike need to be like making x amount but as long as he like goes to work and is a provider a leader has to have masculinity um and respectful trustworthy family man

Brian Atlasfor sure I have a really big family too so yeah were you friends when uh you were dating the other guy the Japan guy no so

Lizthis is a new you just met him then no I've known him but when I'm in a relationship I cut all guys out so but how long have you known he's said you're really close to him yeah yeah cuz I was before the relationship and now I'm

Madisonclose to him again because I'm not in the relationship how long have you known he was your dream guy though okay is he your dream guy or you kind of have to get to know somebody for real to

Brian Atlasknow they're your dream guy I've know him for like a couple years okay yeah

Sarahhe Sarah what you got for us um believer yep loves my boys loves me mhm that's

Brian Atlasit you you doing it you taking it off or what thought Oh I thought that was for later did you did you did you swipe one what do you mean no that's St can I no

Brian Atlaswhy those are for podcast makeup removers only if I gave you a buck 50 would you let me have one you don't want that it's really bad for your skin yeah

MadisonI know it really is um Maddie your dream guy and don't answer that okay I was just going to describe my boyfriend anyway AA

Avadream guy you want to know well I was going to describe my boyfriend too oh okay yeah you can if

Avayou want okay um mascul is he shredded yeah like I don't like that's not a requirement for me and believe it or not

AvaI am more into person person ality than anything else mhm but he is shredded word yeah that's not a

Brian Atlasrequirement though he's just hot mhm he just has it um yeah baby she's got she's

Brian Atlasgot I'm your Venus I'm your fire your desire nice okay so that was super sus

Brian Atlasmy bad Nick put me up to it Nick sent me a private chat he's like Brian and sing the razor s be sus for like

SPEAKER_01yeah what's your Dre is that it oh my type my dream girl dream slave servant yes Slave oh my goodness have to bow down to him hold on I'll pull it up

Pearlwhere do I I got my floor cleans my house the moment she looks at me no makeup wait what he said show us you dream girl instantly bows

Avayou should like the bow oh we'll do that in just a second should make like a um sort of like AI image describing put in the description and then you can show it every time do that

Paytonoh my God it'll probably be a picture of you we did that have you guys ever done the the test thing where you can put in and find out the percentage of like if you'll find your dream person you go

Paytonthrough all those questions and then it gives you a percentage we do that for the girls I think so oh the calculator yeah uh yeah we can do that or we've

Brian Atlasdone it uh what am I my dream girl let's see I'll date any height but uh dream girl I don't know height don't really

Brian Atlascare she can be short she can be tall don't care well this is your dream so you make her whatever okay so it's hard though because on for like for for kids having kids tall is better like if she's

SPEAKER_00tall that's better for the for like the kids cuz you want to like have Warrior children uh desert Jo donated $696 is now $69 by the love that

Avacleavage window below the cross that what talking I think he's talking yeah I got I have boobs like

Brian Atlasit's they're just on my chest they're just there they're just there there's nothing she can do about it uh TTS is 69 desert Joe guys get your ttss in $69 TTS

Brian Atlasappreciate it wait where were we hi oh height yes tall better for the kids but like personal preference in terms of

SPEAKER_00what I think is most attractive prefer like short petite old man marine donated

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SPEAKER_00for Morgan Brian your 10 always a 10 sup dude thank you bro can I comment back on that about my brows go ahead no

Paytonnot about your brows fake um cuz it was going in order so I got the four and so I did today I bought something for the first time I bought like the eyebrow

Paytonstuff you put on cuz mine are so blonde they like don't exist so um I've tried a new thing yeah just say look nice dream

Brian Atlasdream girl dream girl uh any race is fine but uh Asian or white or Wan but I'll date a Latina or a black

Brian Atlasgirl or Native American or an indigenous or an alien oh Aboriginal excuse me or or an alien did yeah did we ask him if

Brian Atlashe about what if you would date an alien yeah s me up only it had big lebia mhm Nick # Big laia M yeah um dream girl

Brian Atlasmy dream girl would have the biggest laia in the world like it's not that I just want a girl with an Audi like I want like a

Brian AtlasGuinness World Record holder okay is that so wrong is that so wrong has to take steroids then right what you want to know steroids what you want what is

Brian Atlasyour obsession lar large labia yeah like what do you do with that well first I need to ask are you do do you support my cause of course because I don't want to talk

Brian Atlasabout this with somebody who isn't part of the BLM movement through it all okay just checking just checking matter you should make S what is it I I just want

Brian Atlasto I don't know like I I've been on the search for I've been on the search like I will only date a girl with a big labia I I did have a question that I

Paytonthought of that I wanted to bring up she um you know how women say bde big dick energy yeah yeah any of us have BLM I

Jordanmean b big labia big laia energy yeah like would you know that her labia is Big just by talking to her you were to like pick one of us out who giv

Brian Atlasoh yeah you defin have B wait hold on are you asking me like pick out who has a big labia who

Paytonhas or who has big labia energy yeah out of all of us who has B no please don't guess who actually has a big lead that's sick I think so imagine he's wrong women

Brian Atlassay bde all the time I just wondering you know or they sde small dick energy too exact they shame they shame the men it's not usually I don't think we should shame we shouldn't shame women if they

Brian Atlashave a big thank you Brian Leia than you oh I wasn't aged saying that I did look right at you we should you know I don't like sh that's right we shouldn't shame men so honestly when it

Brian Atlascomes to the uh big labia energy here at the table and it doesn't mean you have a big labia you could be rocking like the Audi the inest in and have big labia

Avaenergy so honestly I think it's Lizzy and Jordan you two have big like the most big labia energy I feel kind of proud let's go

Brian AtlasI'm and so like sorry to the rest of you like Matt actually mat like I mean it's a given Maddie has it but like she already knows yeah

Brian Atlaslike she know as far as like who has like a no don't oh no don't do that I have no idea there's no way to tell oh my God there's I wish there was a way

Jordanunless she had the that way I could like biggest camel toe I don't you said that so straight

SPEAKER_00B like this is just a casual psycho donated $69 Brian you are a for supporting BLM #

SPEAKER_00for the win # tiny lady definitely has a wizard giving off Mega Big B yo yo yo yo first off please

Brian Atlasdon't don't be shaming ladies if they got a large labia okay and if Pearl does have a wizard sleeve there will be a guy who will love it and who will Who will

Paytonwhatever she has right now her guy loves it that's that's all we need to know Wizards show is so has me rolling

Lizerroneous exactly erous erroneous # big La matter oh why do we give you BL

SPEAKER_00needit yeah can you like dig into that it's in the eyes dig into the I so dead right now I don't get it simple Acorn

SPEAKER_005,513 donated $69 question for the panel if women don't need men then would you as women support the infrastructure because

SPEAKER_01you're so valuable well we can we can get to that we can get to that but I kind of need to talk a little more about big labia so you're done I am look I'm

Lizjust saying I'm looking for the Guinness World Record holder for he's like wanting to put her in like

Brian Atlasa comp just having an Audi it's like having like World I'll accept like country level world record like it doesn't have blound

Paytonears please don't be insensitive to women I don't not that would probably be thee show some respect he really has to justify I think it's just like how women are like I want a really big you know

Pearlwhat I want a guy with a huge pee PE yeah it's the same exact that please don't clip that not something I put into oh my God I'm going to on my own personal

JordanBrian is Brian Gay question mark Mar question mark Mark oh my my go does anybody okay I'm just curious does anybody

Pearlhear lowkey High key whatever act like have an Audi I'm not you really want us to answer this this show that's crazy and the reason I'm asking the reason no

Brian Atlasthe reason I'm asking I want to know if you've ever like been shamed for it by a guy I know a lot of people who were no wait you know what I know people who are

Paytonor were you mean they got it cut off no shamed for it if I'm being I've been shamed for things but I I'm not going to specify what exactly but I've been

Paytonshamed for you know the way parts of my body looks do you have a tail yeah I do really long one I hide it in my shorts

Lizokay if I'm being like totally honest I don't really exactly know what [Music]

Paytonlabia welcome to Ryan's an animy class you can say it on feel so the inner lips that hang down not the outer lips but

Paytonthe inner lips that Hora and Majora no you're shaming amazing no that's sham I told her what it was and she said E I freaked out okay

LizI didn't know what it was freaked out as much as don't call me out like as much as feet mogy Liz I'm revoking your big labia

Lizenergy no give me I'm revok revoked give it to me she was disgusted when I explained it to her she was disgusted she's like calling me out and it's like not okay you told me I could say it loud on the

Brian Atlasmic and then that was I asked you to Define it not not exp me she is done oh my gosh Eva is done she is done I say

Avathat like all the time what else is there I'm still holding strong look I'm just saying I that's I only date women like that that's okay would you say it's deceptive for women to wear

Avapants pants totally see what they got in their pants these these women in their pants it's the yoga

Avapants the yoga pants will tell you though the yoga pants want a woman that's modest he doesn't want them wearing no pants everywhere they go well then how can you

Avatell how do you choose your mate if you have this big requirement for the Guinness World recorders

Madisonflers sorry I'm off the bini you got to make put on the tight

Brian Atlasbini and you'll figure it out I will defend Audi's to the death okay don't you disrespect myia Queen don't

Lizdisrespect the big lady okay but I have to know like how careful how did this sensitive for me okay but how did this fetish start like I need to know hold fetish what do women do women who like big dicks does

Jordanthat mean they have a fetish no mean sorry a preference how do this preference how did this preference okay fine I got a I

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